Dylan Llewelyn sy'n edrych 'nôl ar drychineb Hillsborough gan siarad ag Ian Rush a John Barnes, a nifer o ffans. Dylan Llewelyn's emotional journey looking back at the Hillsboro...
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-I can't see or hear
-the name Hillsborough...
-the events of 1989.
-I saw almost 100 people die
-right in front of me on that day.
-It sends a shiver down my spine.
-A real shiver,
-like pins and needles.
-It's entirely physical.
-This should be the happiest day
-of your life, going to a semi-final.
-This shouldn't happen
-at a football match.
-The fear that loved ones
-weren't coming home...
-..was just something
-I wouldn't wish on anybody.
-It was absolutely dreadful.
-I was haemorrhaging.
-Blood was pouring out of my nose.
-Naturally, you'd wipe it away...
-..but I couldn't raise a finger.
-It was a day I wanted to forget...
-..but you don't forget
-days like that.
-It stays with you forever.
-The disaster is people dying.
-The tragedy was the way
-the bereaved families were treated.
-I feel guilty to this day.
-I froze on the spot,
-I didn't help anyone.
-I have to live with that.
-This afternoon, Sheffield
-witnessed the greatest disaster...
-..in the history
-of British football.
-The gates were opened
-and the crowd entered the terrace.
-The crush was unbearable.
-On April 15, 1989, at
-Hillsborough Stadium, Sheffield...
-..96 men, women and children
-..after being crushed to death
-on the Leppings Lane terrace.
-What I saw on that day
-still casts a shadow over my life.
-When I work on Sgorio
-..and hear of a goal at
-Hillsborough, I'm right back there.
-I've found it difficult
-to talk about it for over 25 years.
-I know I'm not alone.
-I've supported Liverpool
-since I was a little boy.
-Every game for lads living on the
-Llyn Peninsula is like an away game.
-We'd set off in the morning,
-the four of us in a car.
-Arwel from Y Ffor, his father, Arwel
-driving, and Andrew from Nefyn.
-It's a winding journey
-across the Pennines.
-We would listen to Radio Cymru...
-..until we lost the signal.
-I was a teacher in Glan Clwyd.
-I worked occasionally
-for Radio Cymru.
-They needed a commentator
-for the game in Hillsborough.
-I'd prepared meticulously
-for the match.
-This was also my semi-final.
-We had three tickets
-for Leppings Lane.
-They were seated tickets
-above the terrace.
-Dylan was in another stand.
-I was meeting a college friend
-who lived in Sheffield.
-I met him for a pint
-before the game...
-..and arranged to meet the others
-after the game.
-Mam knew I wanted
-to swap my ticket...
-..to get two terrace tickets
-in the Leppings Lane end with him.
-It was a beautiful day.
-No-one knew what the team was.
-We'd had our pre-match.
-It was just a typical
-morning of a game.
-I met up with Paul and he decided
-that if he took the ticket...
-..he'd deprive a Liverpool fan
-of a ticket.
-He told me to go
-and watch the game.
-I set off just after two
-and headed towards Hillsborough.
-As I walked over the bridge
-approaching Leppings Lane...
-..I could see a lot of people
-About twenty past two, the crowd
-became more dense at Leppings Lane.
-In that tightly-defined area that is
-the turnstile out of concourse...
-..they were queuing up, turnstiles
-weren't working very well.
-The queue developed into a crowd.
-What I remember more than anything
-is a mounted policeman...
-..and the horse was there
-to keep the supporters in check.
-The horse was stuck
-in the middle of the supporters.
-I can still see the policeman
-and the horse as I've arrived here.
-There were 60 gates or turnstiles
-for 30,000 Nottingham Forest fans.
-There were only 23 at this end for
-over 24,000 Liverpool supporters.
-This area filled quickly
-and the turnstiles couldn't cope.
-It was obvious to see
-what was about to happen.
-It rubs salt in the wounds to
-read the match programme of the day.
-There's a photograph
-of the 1988 semi-final.
-Here's Leppings Lane. I'm in
-there somewhere and it's packed.
-Sheffield Wednesday's chairman,
-as the perfect venue.
-The experience of fans
-at Hillsborough in the '80s...
-the terraces of Leppings Lane...
-to Bert McGee's description.
-There was serious overcrowding
-..in 1981, 1987 and 1988.
-We'd watched Liverpool's semi-final
-at Hillsborough the previous year.
-Liverpool against Nottingham Forest,
-the same teams, the same location.
-Back then a policeman
-would check your ticket...
-..before allowing you through.
-Without a ticket,
-you couldn't get through.
-your ticket was checked again.
-There was nothing like that in '89.
-I'd been trying to get a ticket for
-Chris to come in the stands with me.
-Chris said, "Can I go in
-the Leppings Lane with Jason?"
-I said, "No, son,
-I was in there last year.
-"I got in to Pen 3
-and it's not very comfortable.
-"In fact, I would say, Chris,
-it's not safe."
-He came back about 10 minutes later
-and he asked me again.
-"Chris, I've just told you, no."
-He came back a third time and said,
-"Dad, I wanna be with all the boys.
-"There's 10 of us."
-I said yes and I don't know
-as I look at you now why I said yes.
-They arrived in a joyous mood.
-This was a semi-final.
-There was no violence,
-there was no heavy crush.
-There was no people shouting at each
-other. It was still a great mood.
-And then suddenly,
-people became trapped.
-It was very clear that
-in the build-up to three o'clock...
-..that people outside would die
-if that crush wasn't alleviated.
-When I reached the front,
-it was chaotic.
-"Get in, get in, get in."
-No-one checked your ticket.
-No-one took my ticket
-or ripped it in half.
-In I went.
-I remember saying
-I don't think we'll start on time.
-With so many people trying to get
-in, I thought they'd delay kick-off.
-Teams were coming out as I sat down.
-I was glad I was in my seat.
-It was a relief to escape the crush.
-Looking back I think I'd have been
-better off out of there...
-..without seeing what I saw.
-In the minutes
-before the 3.00pm kick-off...
-..thousands of Liverpool fans...
-outside the gates of Leppings Lane.
-The responsibility for the match
-in 1989 is very clear.
-The Football Association
-hired the stadium...
-..from Sheffield Wednesday
-had a responsibility...
-..for gaining a safety certificate
-for the ground...
-..from the Sheffield City Council.
-That safety certificate
-would provide the foundation...
-..for it to be hired out
-to the Football Association.
-None of that worked on the day.
-The safety certificate was out of
-date and all the authorities failed.
-I'd stood on Leppings Lane before.
-The greatest thrill...
-..was standing behind the goal and
-seeing your team score towards you.
-Since it was a semi-final,
-it was packed there.
-Fans were packed in tight,
-It wasn't comfortable in '88
-but nothing happened.
-I never thought there was a danger
-in what I was doing.
-It was like surfing in the crowd,
-forward, to the side and back.
-I was never scared
-but I sometimes held my breath...
-"What's going on here?"
-A few seconds later,
-everything would die down...
-..and you found your place again
-but that didn't happen that day.
-South Yorkshire Police
-..for policing Hillsborough.
-19 days before the game,
-Chief Constable Peter Wright...
-..appointed Chief Inspector
-..as supervisor of the semi-final.
-Duckenfield had no experience of
-controlling a game at Hillsborough.
-On the day, he briefed
-his officers in the stadium.
-There was a lot of scepticism
-from officers about his capability.
-Then remarkably, he goes missing.
-He leaves the stadium,
-nobody knows where he goes...
-..except his driver and
-he's never revealed where they went.
-He doesn't return until 2.00pm.
-This is a major, major match.
-It's his first major match...
-..and he goes missing for two hours
-in the lead-up to the game.
-Then he's the position
-of having to take decisions...
-..in a stadium
-that he's unfamiliar with.
-Senior officers at the highest level
-in South Yorkshire Police...
-..allowed an inexperienced police
-officer in policing football...
-..to take that role on.
-When you come in
-through the turnstiles...
-..the first thing
-that you see is this tunnel.
-At the end of the tunnel,
-you can see some of the pitch.
-That's like a magnet
-that attracts the fans to it.
-I'd reached the end of the tunnel
-and I thought, "It's too full here.
-"Let's move to the side."
-And that's what we did.
-The control box is above
-the Leppings Lane terrace.
-It was clear
-that those central pens were packed.
-They could see with their own eyes
-that they were packed.
-Even more incredible, pens one
-and two, which were below them...
-..they could see they were
-They should have sealed
-..and ensured the
-underpopulated areas were filled.
-But they had this policy
-in South Yorkshire Police...
-fans will find their own level.
-if you have an open terrace.
-Fans will find their own level.
-They go sideways or others
-go sideways to make space for them.
-But they were going into
-Like cattle pens, you know.
-A massive fence at the front
-with spikes coming in.
-Fences on either side.
-A brick wall behind you
-and no way back up the tunnel.
-The tunnel was full
-as people were coming down.
-I was in the North Stand.
-When they'd got in,
-after about 10 minutes...
-the Leppings Lane end...
-..looking for Christopher wearing
-a Welsh international rugby shirt...
-..and as time got towards 2.50pm...
-"There's something wrong here."
-Those two pens, three and four,
-There was a marked difference
-from where I was to the centre area.
-I thought to myself, "There are a
-lot of gaps here. It's quite empty."
-Usually, 2.55pm before a game,
-everywhere would be full.
-Everyone would be there in time.
-There were so many supporters
-outside Leppings Lane...
-..it would have taken another
-40 minutes to let them in safely.
-The man responsible
-for policing this area...
-..was Chief Inspector
-He's policed Hillsborough many times
-but not that area.
-He phones through
-to the control box.
-He asks Duckenfield
-to open the gates.
-Duckenfield hesitates then orders
-the opening of the gates.
-The gates are opened
-but what Duckenfield doesn't do...
-..is say seal the tunnel.
-The tunnel remains open,
-fans come in...
-..but once they went down
-a one-in-six gradient tunnel...
-..they couldn't get back up.
-The crush became a compression
-in the central pens.
-No way out sideways, forwards...
-..and people are crushed up
-against the fence.
-The pile of bodies
-at the front of pen three was high.
-In the five minutes
-between 2.52 and 2.57...
-..2,000 fans entered
-through Gate C...
-..most heading towards the tunnel to
-the terrace which was already full.
-I remember an incredible atmosphere
-in the game.
-I was excited, as a commentator,
-and glad to be there.
-I remember Liverpool attacking
-early in the game...
-..and Peter Beardsley shooting
-and hitting the bar.
-Then you saw Liverpool supporters
-climbing the radial fences...
-..and the perimeter fences.
-People were climbing up the wall
-to get to the stand above.
-As time went on, you thought
-something serious is happening here.
-It didn't dawn on a lot of people
-what was actually going on.
-Even though you're on the bench,
-you're concentrating on the game.
-You never know when you'll come on.
-When people are on the pitch,
-you realise something's wrong.
-I first thought there might be
-some trouble going on.
-Hooliganism was a problem
-in the '80s in English football.
-That was my initial thought.
-At 3.06 the game was stopped.
-I became very, very cold,
-I was frightened for Chris.
-It got worse. I don't think I've
-ever experienced coldness like it.
-I still didn't think
-that people had died.
-You associate people dying
-with blood and horrific scenes.
-Everything just stopped when
-I saw one supporter carried away.
-There was a jacket over his face.
-I was just absolutely besotted
-and worried about Chris.
-The lad who was sat next to me
-had a transistor radio.
-I said, "What have they said?"
-He said, "There's five dead."
-I said, "You're joking.
-Nobody dies at a football match."
-Soon news filtered through
-to the press that fans had died.
-The producer in Cardiff
-was talking to me on the phone.
-I said, "What do I do?
-I'm hearing that people have died.
-"Am I allowed to say that?"
-I didn't have experience
-of being in that situation.
-I was told that if the news
-had come from an official source...
-..I could say that.
-I had to break the news knowing that
-there were listeners in Wales...
-..or wherever they were listening...
-..that they had fans, relatives
-and friends at the game.
-What did they think?
-You had to be very sensitive.
-I don't think
-we said very much at all.
-Both of us couldn't believe
-what we were seeing.
-We thought it was a pitch invasion
-so we went into the dressing room.
-We heard shouting
-and Kenny went out.
-"Kenny, people are dying out there."
-We heard all of this.
-Upstairs, on the TV, we could see
-what was going on. It was a shock.
-There were police officers
-pounding the chests of young kids.
-That was to their credit.
-However, there must
-have been another 200...
-..across the halfway line,
-doing absolutely nothing.
-Every big event has
-an operational order for policing.
-If you look at
-the operational orders...
-..both for 1989 and 1988...
-..1989 was a replica of '88
-even down to the spelling mistakes.
-There's not a word on ground safety.
-There's not a word on crowd safety.
-It's all about crowd control.
-I've been to enough matches to know
-that the police standing there...
-..is to stop opposing fans meeting.
-Looking back, the minutes
-and seconds that passed...
-..what they could have done
-at Leppings Lane.
-It takes several minutes
-before ambulances are mobilised...
-There's no organisation because no
-emergency plan had been activated.
-Every major event has an emergency
-plan and an activation point.
-None of that occurred.
-People are picked up, carried
-on hoardings, mainly by fans.
-It's complete chaos.
-It was a very surreal feeling...
-..but it was as if
-I had my head underwater.
-I could hear things
-but I couldn't make sense of it all.
-Everything was odd.
-Seeing these people
-ripping up advertising boards...
-trying to administer CPR.
-I did nothing but stand and watch.
-There was nothing to assist
-in the rescue.
-no oxygen was available...
-..it all came down to people like
-you and I bending over bodies...
-..and trying to breathe air
-into lifeless lungs.
-You only have minutes to resuscitate
-somebody in that condition.
-I'd gone to a football match.
-I didn't expect to see things
-like that in a football match.
-It was like a nightmare.
-It was hard to say if you were
-seeing dead bodies in front of you.
-I could just see lifeless bodies.
-I wasn't sure
-if they were dead or not.
-They probably were but at the time
-you didn't want to think they were.
-You could see the supporters...
-at their friends in front of them.
-I wasn't sure what I was seeing.
-Graham Kelly, the secretary
-of the Football Association...
-..comes into the control box and
-asks Duckenfield what is going on.
-He says Liverpool fans
-broke the door.
-They broke the exit gate C
-and rushed into the stadium.
-Not only did they not arrive late...
-..not only did they
-not break down the door...
-..they never rushed.
-It's there on his own CCTV.
-Back then, there was no way
-of contacting someone.
-There were no mobile phones.
-There was no Facebook,
-Twitter or Snapchat.
-I'd gone. "I'll see you tonight."
-That was the message.
-When I phoned home and spoke to Mam,
-I sensed the relief in her voice.
-She'd seen on TV
-someone with a jersey like mine.
-When I was on the phone,
-Dylan's mother was in Mam's house.
-She asked about Dylan and we said
-he wasn't with us at that time.
-I was trying to say it in a way
-that didn't cause panic.
-We'd seen Nain and Taid
-the previous week.
-We'd planned to go out for a spin
-in the car for an hour or two.
-We put the radio on and heard
-that the game had been stopped...
-had happened on the pitch.
-I was thinking about Dylan.
-He'd said he'd try to swap
-the tickets and that bothered me.
-I managed to find a phone in
-a flower shop outside the stadium.
-I phoned home
-to confirm I was alright.
-We have to be grateful
-to the people of Sheffield.
-What they did that day,
-they opened their doors.
-Houses, shops, everything, if you
-wanted to phone home to allay fears.
-Not everyone was able
-to make that call.
-The rendezvous point that we'd
-arranged to meet on Halifax Road...
-..all I wanted was to see Chris.
-As I looked up,
-there was Jason, Chris' mate.
-Steven and Paul. There was no Chris.
-Jason said to me, I said,
-He said, "Barry, you're gonna
-have to expect the worst."
-I said, "What do you mean, the
-worst?" He said, "Chris is dead."
-The journey home from Sheffield,
-back over the Pennines...
-..was so difficult.
-One of British football's greatest
-tragedies happened at 3.07pm.
-The police stories
-were spreading by then.
-They claimed fans had broken down
-a gate, rushed into the stadium...
-Unfortunately for some,
-it was too late.
-Blankets and coats were placed
-over the faces of many.
-The radio was on in the car.
-We heard how many had died.
-It's 10, 15, 20, 30, 40...
-We had an old-fashioned radio
-in the car.
-I wanted to switch it off.
-If we switched the radio off,
-the number wouldn't rise anymore.
-In 1988, we returned home with
-our scarves flying outside the car.
-Horns blaring, everyone in a
-good mood - we were off to Wembley.
-the story was completely different.
-It felt like a black cloud
-was following us all the way home.
-Alun, how are you? Are you OK?
-How are you keeping? Are you OK?
-Nice to see you.
-I remember walking down the tunnel
-hearing the fans singing.
-I thought I'd get
-a better view behind the goal.
-I headed that way.
-You know, get it on, yeah.
-I was standing
-in front of a barrier.
-This lad was standing next to me
-and he had a young boy with him.
-He said to me,
-"There's something wrong here.
-"Help me push back
-so I can pick the boy up."
-It was quite a job at that time.
-That was a good quarter of an hour
-before it happened.
-I remember him telling the boy
-to go over the top, to get away.
-He did go but he came back crying.
-I remember him crying.
-People behind me were saying,
-"Help him, do something."
-I couldn't raise a finger,
-let alone anything else.
-I was stuck.
-I was stuck, stuck by the barrier.
-I couldn't move an inch.
-There's a lot of guilt, but...
-I still don't know
-what happened to that little boy.
-The man next to me,
-I remember when I was pulled out...
-..I could see blood pouring
-from his nose and eyes.
-He'd been crushed.
-He didn't make it.
-Did you think you'd die there?
-What I remember...
-..I was haemorrhaging,
-blood was pouring out of my nose.
-Naturally, you'd wipe your face
-but I couldn't raise a finger.
-When I was halfway out,
-the barrier behind me collapsed.
-That's when I felt my ribs,
-like a pack of cards, just...
-It's something I'm trying to forget.
-It is difficult.
-I was going
-in and out of consciousness.
-I thought it was just a dream.
-I could hear screaming
-Lots of swearing.
-I remember lying
-on one of the advertising boards.
-Waheels of Sheffield or something.
-I remember that.
-I was face down.
-There were bodies to the side.
-There was one,
-he was a bigger lad than me.
-He was lying
-with his arms up like that.
-A coat over his face.
-Your brain is trying to forget
-Trying to put it in a cupboard
-and close the door.
-There are things, small things,
-that bring it back to you.
-Wherever you put it,
-wherever the cupboard...
-..it's always there.
-Yes, yes, it doesn't matter.
-It always comes back to you.
-It's there for you, it'll never go.
-It'll never go.
-The shock, more than anything,
-was how easy someone could die.
-Too many people in one place...
-..squeezing the life
-out of each other.
-I was lucky but because I was lucky,
-someone else was less fortunate.
-They had the ticket
-I'd had the previous year.
-It was the first day
-I'd ventured out with my daughter.
-She'd only be a few weeks old.
-I decided to go to Bolton, shopping.
-By the time I got home,
-there was a bit of a panic going on.
-was at the football match.
-He was a big lad, as a security
-guard he could take care of himself.
-He often went to football matches.
-I can't say at that point
-I was perturbed.
-It had been drummed into us
-..whether we were arriving
-or leaving somewhere...
-..to give Mum three rings.
-No rings came
-so it became more troubling.
-My mum and my dad and my husband
-set off across the Pennines.
-We went to the first hospital. The
-people were absolutely hysterical.
-I shouted out above everybody...
-.."Do you have a young man wearing
-a Welsh international rugby shirt?"
-They said no.
-I said, "Do you have a Christopher
-Devonside?" They said no.
-We went to another hospital
-and it was the same scenario.
-Six hours after leaving the stadium
-to search for his son...
-..Barry Devonside was called back
-to the stadium's gym...
-..where the bodies of most
-of the dead were being kept.
-We went inside and they brought
-Chris in a body bag and opened it.
-I bent down to kiss his forehead.
-A police officer got hold of me
-and pulled me back.
-I turned around and shoved him.
-How dare he invade my space
-in a situation like this?
-My husband identified
-three different people...
-..and finally it was the third one
-that was Andrew.
-He told my mum
-he thought it was Andrew.
-She wanted to identify Andrew...
-..but only made it so far down
-the corridor and my mum collapsed.
-Two higher ranking police officers
-were walking down the corridor...
-..having a conversation
-and stepped over her...
-..and carried on walking.
-The vast, vast majority
-of the families...
-..would be very hard pushed
-to find any kindnesses that night.
-The Coroner, Dr Stefan Popper...
-..decided to test the blood
-alcohol level of each body...
-..including a 10-year-old boy.
-The first question
-they were asked was...
-..had their loved one been drinking?
-He said, "We're trying to build up
-a picture of everybody's day.
-"Did you stop on the way
-to have a meal and a drink?"
-I said, "What's that got to do
-He asked me five questions
-and every answer I gave was...
-.."What's that got to do
-To be interrogated as if
-in some way your loved one or you...
-..had some sort of bad reputation
-was just dreadful.
-The disaster is people dying.
-The tragedy was the way the bereaved
-families and survivors were treated.
-I was petrified
-of what Jackie was going to say.
-Many years ago, she said,
-when I first started taking Chris...
-.."If you bring Chris home hurt,
-me and you will have a problem."
-And I wasn't bringing Chris home.
-She opened the door,
-she was waiting for me.
-We just threw our arms
-around each other.
-She never said a word
-about what she'd said years ago.
-Cheek to cheek and she said to me...
-.."There's 17 dead so far, Barry."
-"Jack, there's 81 dead so far."
-We went in
-and all the relatives were there.
-I didn't want to speak to anybody.
-I just wanted Chris back home.
-The next morning, Margaret Thatcher
-arrived with Douglas Hurd.
-When I challenged Bernard Ingham,
-the Press Secretary...
-..with regard to what
-had happened in that meeting...
-..he said, "I know what I learned
-there on the day.
-"That Liverpool fans
-broke into the stadium."
-In other words, Liverpool fans
-killed Liverpool people.
-Now who did he learn that from?
-There were no fans
-or doctors talking to him.
-It was senior police officers...
-..and most significantly,
-the Chief Constable Peter Wright.
-Anfield became the focal point
-Kenny Dalglish took his
-Liverpool squad to the hospitals...
-..to visit those hurt
-in Leppings Lane...
-..and also to the funerals.
-While Liverpool and their families
-buried their supporters...
-..a story was emerging
-I'm sick of seeing on television
-these instant experts...
-..telling us that if there'd been
-police inside those gates...
-into the outer areas...
-..this wouldn't have happened.
-I'm saying to you
-that if police had been in there...
-..when this mob surged through...
-would've been trampled to death.
-Certain members of the police,
-plus the local MP, Irvine Patnick...
-..plus the head
-of the Police Federation...
-..had approached journalists
-and given them a story...
-..that Liverpool fans
-had stolen from the dead...
-..that Liverpool fans had broken in
-and violence had cause the disaster.
-Kelvin MacKenzie wanted
-that headline to be You Scum.
-I've supported Liverpool
-for 30 years.
-I'm not claiming
-that Liverpool fans are angels...
-..but they would never do
-such a thing.
-What was said about them
-Can you imagine a human being doing
-things a newspaper said about them?
-That was more shocking than the
-lies - that people believed them.
-In the days that followed...
-..Arwel and I spoke
-and we decided to raise money.
-I visited the offices
-of a local newspaper in Pwllheli.
-A woman stood behind me
-in the queue.
-"Aren't those hooligans a disgrace?"
-I asked her why
-she was saying something like that.
-"I didn't mean you, Dylan,"
-She meant someone else.
-That's the message
-that reached Pwllheli...
-..a few days after the tragedy.
-The Sun was so confident
-in their story.
-It changed the entire view
-..in the national consciousness.
-We went from people feeling empathy
-towards those who died...
-..to feeling absolute abhorrence to
-Liverpool fans and Liverpool people.
-West Midlands Police were appointed
-to conduct an external inquiry...
-..with Lord Justice Taylor
-leading the official investigation.
-Taylor found that police failure
-was mostly to blame for the tragedy.
-He criticised them
-for blaming the supporters.
-The inquest into the deaths
-opened in November 1990.
-Coroner Dr Stefan Popper found
-that all those who died...
-..suffered their mortal injuries
-It was a contentious decision
-which meant that...
-..the emergency services' response
-after that time was not scrutinised.
-During the inquest...
-..the police continued
-to criticise the Liverpool fans.
-We see allegations
-..allegations around ticketless,
-violence and late arrival.
-They were the four pillars
-of the police case.
-That was played out
-in what was then...
-..the longest inquest
-in legal history.
-Ignoring the findings
-of Lord Justice Taylor...
-..the inquest's verdict in
-March 1991 was 'accidental death'.
-When that came back
-as accidental death...
-..that was just stunning, really.
-That was probably the point
-at which it became really obvious...
-..that this was a real fight.
-In 1991, David Duckenfield
-faced a disciplinary case.
-When he retired early on a full
-pension, the case wasn't pursued.
-Five years later,
-Professor Phil Scraton discovered...
-..that the evidence
-of many officers at Hillsborough...
-..had been doctored and altered...
-..to omit any criticism
-of the police on the day.
-What I realised at that point...
-..was that Lord Justice Taylor knew,
-the Home Office knew...
-..all the investigating bodies
-..the investigating force knew,
-they all knew.
-It's not one-off, it's systemic.
-That was the discovery.
-I knew that as soon as I saw it.
-In 1997, Lord Justice Stuart-Smith
-..to scrutinise the evidence
-for the new Labour government.
-Despite the findings
-of Professor Phil Scraton...
-..he rejected an appeal
-to quash the inquest's findings.
-It was noted that no basis existed
-to open a new case.
-The next step was a private
-prosecution for manslaughter...
-and Bernard Murray in 2000.
-The jury failed to reach a decision
-..who refused to give evidence.
-Murray was found not guilty.
-The South Yorkshire Police
-Authority paid their court costs.
-There are two elements -
-what happened on the day...
-..and the 25 years and more
-..lies and vilification and that's
-been a burden for Liverpool fans.
-"You did it.
-"You broke in, you didn't have
-tickets, you were drunk and so on."
-Had people been drinking?
-Yes, of course.
-It happens in every game
-and at every occasion.
-But... that doesn't mean...
-..they killed their own supporters.
-I couldn't believe...
-..that here we were in 2000
-with all this evidence...
-..and we were now entering a decade
-where nothing happened.
-This is when you start to see
-other family members dying.
-You see survivors taking their own
-lives, survivors not being believed.
-It was total despondency.
-I can't tell you what the real
-number is of people who died...
-..as a direct consequence of
-what they endured at Hillsborough...
-..or after Hillsborough.
-The guilt I feel,
-it's not there every day...
-..but it's there
-in the subconsciousness.
-I'm guilty of being lucky.
-I'm guilty of having a ticket
-in a different place.
-I'm guilty that I stood there
-and did nothing to help anyone.
-I just stood, silently,
-like a statue.
-I feel guilty sometimes
-that I'm sharing my feelings.
-I haven't grieved, I didn't
-lose anyone, I wasn't injured.
-I feel guilty because it feels
-as if I'm craving attention...
-..but that's not true.
-I feel guilty that I'm still saying
-that we need to fight for justice...
-..when it didn't affect my life.
-I was there, I'm a Liverpool fan.
-A lot more people have suffered
-a lot more than I have.
-I feel guilty.
-I feel guilty for feeling guilty.
-It can tear you apart.
-Liverpool is close to our hearts
-in North Wales.
-Close to our spirit.
-It's a no-nonsense city. If there's
-something to say, it will be said.
-Thank goodness for that.
-A lot of people would have given up.
-Never pick on the people of
-Liverpool because they'll come back.
-It's an amazing city.
-They did pick on the wrong people.
-Annual Hillsborough Memorial Service
-April 15, 2009
-20 years after the tragedy,
-a politician was invited...
-..for the first time to speak at the
-annual memorial service in Anfield.
-We can pledge that 96 fellow
-football supporters who died...
-..will never be forgotten.
-And he asks us to think
-at this time...
-Andy Burnham, the Culture Secretary,
-received a simple message.
-# Justice for the 96
-# Justice for the 96
-# Justice for the 96
-# Justice for the 96
-# Justice for the 96 #
-He promised to release every
-document to try and find the truth.
-The independent Hillsborough panel
-was set up...
-..to examine almost
-half a million documents...
-..led by the Archbishop of Liverpool
-and Professor Phil Scraton.
-Their findings were published
-on September 12, 2012.
-It was a beautiful
-I stood on the steps
-of the Anglican cathedral.
-I looked across my city
-and the river.
-I knew this was a defining
-moment in their lives and my life.
-I guess, at that moment,
-I knew history had been made.
-What I didn't anticipate
-was all that came after.
-The panel concluded
-that the authorities were to blame.
-There was no foundation to
-allegations against the supporters.
-A better response
-by the emergency services...
-..could have saved 40 lives.
-The results of the first inquest,
-of accidental death, was quashed.
-A new inquest was opened
-in Warrington and lasted two years.
-The jury's decision
-on April 26, 2016...
-..was that failures by the police
-and authorities led to the tragedy.
-The behaviour of the supporters
-was not a contributing factor.
-The 96 had been unlawfully killed.
-# You'll never walk alone #
-When the verdicts came through,
-it was as if emotionally...
-..I went scrunch...
-And from that minute on, it went.
-All the... all the angst, all the
-pressure, all the feeling of duty...
-..the feeling of burden
-that came with being...
-..the last standing member
-to represent Andrew in that way...
-..all just went.
-When justice was finally done,
-that was a good feeling.
-You just wanted to say,
-"Well, we told you so."
-I was walking through Liverpool
-and a guy threw his arms around me.
-I didn't know him and he said,
-"For the first time in 27 years...
-"..I walk through this city
-with my head held high."
-And that was a person
-who'd survived Hillsborough.
-Cuppa? I've made one already.
-27 years have passed...
-..but I've never spoken openly
-about my feelings with Mam and Dad.
-I don't want to bother them.
-It might be easier
-to shut things out.
-Every time he talks about it,
-he starts to well up.
-I think it's really affected him.
-He still feels that way,
-that feeling of guilt.
-He came away unscathed
-and others didn't.
-He still relives that moment.
-The campaign of the families
-for justice continues.
-The decision to prosecute
-individuals or institutions...
-..is in the hands
-of the Crown Prosecution Service.
-Almost 28 years since the tragedy...
-..time will tell
-if people will wake up...
-..from the long nightmare
-It's something that will leave
-a mark on me forever...
-..but it didn't stop me
-going to support Liverpool.
-Deep down, you'll have them scars
-for the rest of your life.
-It's something that you've seen
-and something that will be there.
-It's 27, 28 years. It's a hell
-of a long time not to give up.
-They won't. Even though they've won
-the case, there's more to come.
-It still won't bring back
-their loved ones.
-I think there's an idea somehow...
-..that being forever young...
-..is something to be desired.
-Actually, there's nothing to be
-desired of being forever young.
-You don't experience life.
-I miss what he didn't become.
-I miss him every single day.
-I think about him
-morning, noon and night.
-There's no way their lives
-should have been snuffed out...
-..in the way that it did.
-Chris was everything
-to Jackie and I.
-We will never, as a family,
-get over losing Chris.
-I think things are easier since
-the inquest jury cleared us...
-..of the allegation that
-we killed 96 of our own supporters.
-Families have proven that it's
-possible for the small person...
-..to overcome the big institutions
-by standing their ground.
-There might be a lesson
-for us all there.
-We were right.
-We told the truth
-right from the start.
-S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf.
Dylan Llewelyn sy'n edrych 'nôl ar drychineb Hillsborough gan siarad ag Ian Rush a John Barnes, a nifer o ffans. Dylan Llewelyn's emotional journey looking back at the Hillsborough disaster.