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-On 25 March 1971, a squad -of 30 players was selected... | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
-..to represent the British Lions -for the summer tour to New Zealand. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:13 | |
-Thirteen Welshmen, six Irishmen, -six Englishmen and five Scots... | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
-..hoping to become -the first British touring party... | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
-..to win a test series -against the All Blacks. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
-I'm sure -it's every rugby player's dream. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
-It was a huge experience for me, -one that I'll honestly never forget. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:36 | |
-I don't think we were confident... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
-..certainly when I look back at it. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
-Yes, we had confidence -in ourselves as players. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
-But beating the All Blacks? -No, I don't think we thought that. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
-That summer's dramatic -and controversial events... | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
-..in Wales and New Zealand, were -turning points in rugby history. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
-Rugby was never the same -after the 1971 tour. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
-The '71 Lions, -coached by Carwyn James... | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
-..I think changed the face -of New Zealand rugby. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
-In May 1970, -at the East India Club in London... | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
-..the greats of the four home unions -met to select a coach... | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
-..to lead the Lions -on their foreign adventure. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
-The Lions' initial mission... | 0:01:47 | 0:01:48 | |
-..was to teach rugby to -British colonies across the world. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
-But for almost a century, -the missionaries lost heavily... | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
-..especially in New Zealand. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
-The post was advertised -in the newspapers. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
-For a West Wales teacher, -this was the dream opportunity. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
-The opportunity to change history. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
-In the old-fashioned tradition, -he was placed on a shortlist... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
-..and invited for an interview -at London's East India Club. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
-But in order -to attend the interview... | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
-..Carwyn had to change -his arrangements. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
-He was supposed to open -a summer fair... | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
-..in Felinfoel, near Llanelli, -on the same day. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
-Carwyn was a contender for two posts -in the spring of 1970. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
-As well as the Lions... | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
-..he was also a candidate -in that year's general election. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
-In staunchly Labour Llanelli... | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
-..the town's rugby coach -was standing for Plaid Cymru. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
-An election victory -was as unlikely... | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
-..as a Lions series win -in New Zealand. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
-Carwyn was resolute -in his intention. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
-He moved from Llandovery College -to Trinity College... | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
-..to be closer to Llanelli... | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
-..so that he could coach Llanelli -and be in a situation... | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
-..to be appointed not so much -the Wales coach as the Lions coach. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:22 | |
-What's important to remember -about the 1960s and 1970s... | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
-..is that a lot of people in Wales -feared Plaid Cymru. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
-They were afraid -of what Plaid Cymru stood for. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
-The fact that Carwyn made clear -his support for Plaid Cymru... | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
-..made it difficult for the WRU... | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
-..to appoint him as team coach. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
-It was perhaps easier... | 0:03:49 | 0:03:50 | |
-..for someone in London to do so. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
-For them, Plaid Cymru -stood for something different. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
-They saw Plaid Cymru as a party -that stood against the Labour Party. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
-Against a government -they didn't support. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
-Maybe the RFU didn't care -that he was a nationalist. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:13 | |
-But for people in Cardiff, -for the WRU... | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
-..Carwyn stood for something -that they feared. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
-It's not an easy exercise... | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
-..because you've got -four nations together. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
-All of those players -expect to be in the top test team... | 0:04:27 | 0:04:31 | |
-..because they are -for their own country. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
-They've all got -really positive self-esteem... | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
-..so mixing that right -is not an easy task. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
-The squad first got together -in Eastbourne. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:48 | |
-It was a mix -of experienced Lions, new stars... | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
-..and one man with no international -experience whatsoever. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
-There was some speculation -in the press... | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
-..but not having played for Wales... | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
-..it was more of a hope, -really, from my point of view. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
-But when the name -actually came out of the hat... | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
-..and announced on the radio, which -is how we found out in those days... | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
-..obviously, -there was great excitement. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:18 | |
-I was thrilled to be part of it. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
-While some waited nervously -for their names to be announced... | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
-..there was no doubt -who would wear the number 10 shirt. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
-Barry John -was Wales' charismatic outside half. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
-Once Carwyn was appointed coach, -there was no doubt that Barry... | 0:05:35 | 0:05:40 | |
-..would play the lead role -in the upcoming drama. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
-The relationship between Barry -and Carwyn was totally... | 0:05:45 | 0:05:50 | |
-It's hard to describe it. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:53 | |
-It was inherent, -so difficult to describe. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
-They were from the same village. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
-On the field here in Cefneithin... | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
-..Carwyn James carried the boots -of then outside half Iestyn James. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:08 | |
-When Carwyn was outside half, -who carried Carwyn's boots? | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
-Barry John. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
-Barry John -lived on that side of the field... | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
-..and Carwyn -lived on the other side. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
-They faced each other. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
-It was innate. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
-The relationship between them -was instinctive, almost. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
-On 9 May 1971, the Lions -came to Heathrow Airport... | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
-..to start a 12,000-mile journey. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
-The first stop was in Australia. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
-I thought -the organization was fantastic. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
-They got 32 people down the end -of the plane sitting together. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:50 | |
-Nowadays, the guys turn left -and go up to club class. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
-Obviously, the expense came into it. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
-So, from that point of view... | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
-..flying all the way to Brisbane -arriving on a Monday night... | 0:07:01 | 0:07:07 | |
-..and playing on Wednesday -afternoon was quite tough. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
-The first game of the tour was -in Australia, against Queensland. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
-We actually lost that game. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
-One Australia coach said... | 0:07:19 | 0:07:20 | |
-..it was the worst Lions team -they'd ever seen. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
-I'd read what the press -were saying about us... | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
-..especially in New Zealand. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
-That maybe -these young Welsh players... | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
-..about whom -so much had been written... | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
-..aren't as good -as they think they are. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
-That made you think a bit, -and you wanted to prove a point. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:54 | |
-After the defeat to Queensland, -New Zealand rugby fans agreed... | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
-..that this Lions side didn't pose -a threat to the All Blacks. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
-The 1966 and 1968 Lions -were beaten comparatively easily. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
-The Welsh, despite -their Five Nations success... | 0:08:15 | 0:08:18 | |
-..were considered to be -particularly poor travellers. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
-That team was a very experienced -Lions team in 1971... | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
-The Welsh side was probably -the best in Europe at the time. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
-They played a lot together -and it had a Welsh backbone. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
-In the press, -there were lots of stories. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
-Too many Welshmen in the team. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
-That didn't bother us at all. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:45 | |
-We were British Lions, -and we went out there as British. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
-Certainly from our point of view, -seven of us were from London Welsh. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
-We had extra training sessions... | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
-..getting ourselves in shape -for what we knew was to come. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
-Two years previously, -we'd had quite a hammering. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
-We thought we were -quite a good side. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
-We went out there -with the Welsh side... | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
-..and got absolutely hammered. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
-I went out there with Wales -a couple of years previously. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:17 | |
-It was so disappointing -to lose those games... | 0:09:18 | 0:09:23 | |
-..and not even being close -to winning them. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
-You could say -that they were a lot better than us. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
-Maybe we hadn't realized that. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
-We went out -having won the Triple Crown... | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
-..and the championship -as well, I think. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
-We went out there -with a lot of confidence... | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
-..but saw very quickly that the -All Blacks were much better than us. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
-It was all too apparent that Carwyn -selected more Welshmen... | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
-..for the Lions than players -from the other nations. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:05 | |
-That was the situation at the time. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
-The task for Carwyn, -as a nationalist... | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
-..was uniting players from the four -home nations and Eire as well. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
-That was the task for Carwyn. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:20 | |
-Uniting different nationalities -who knew that he was a nationalist. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
-But Carwyn was sharp enough -to be well aware of that fact. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
-He said that he wanted -the Englishmen to be English... | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
-..the Irishmen to be Irish, -the Scotsmen to be Scottish... | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
-..and the Welshmen to be Welsh. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
-That everyone -should be themselves... | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
-..and to leave it to him -to unite everyone. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
-When he met the squad, he said -that he didn't want any fake unity. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
-He wanted the Englishmen -to be as arrogant as usual. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
-The Irishmen to be just as wild. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
-The Scots to give the impression -of being dour, and so on. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
-He said -that some of the Welsh players... | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
-..would converse in Welsh -because it came naturally to them. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
-He wanted everyone to retain -their national characteristics... | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
-..whilst wearing the same shirt -and sharing the same objective. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
-The first weeks of the tour -were like a fake war. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
-The Lions toured North Island, -beating local teams fairly easily. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
-That included a 35-14 win -over Waikato in Hamilton. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
-But everyone knew that -the first big game of the tour... | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
-..was at Wellington, New Zealand's -strongest club side at the time. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
-I think the Wellington game -was our first challenge. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
-We went out there -expecting every game to be hard... | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
-..but Wellington and Otago... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
-..those two in particular -Carwyn had pinpointed. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
-"Look, these games are special. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
-"If you can get a win -under your belt with those games... | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
-"..then the tour will go well." | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
-For the first month of the tour... | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
-..the New Zealand public -weren't particularly impressed. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
-Probably the best display of rugby -the Lions played on that tour... | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
-..was against Wellington, -the top team at the time. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
-We put 40 points on Wellington. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
-A try was only three points then, -so that was a heck of a score. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
-After that game, the New Zealand -public began to take notice of us. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
-New Zealand couldn't understand... | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
-..how a Lions side -that was meant to lose every game... | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
-..had won every game -in the run-up to the first test. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
-We had beaten several good sides. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
-I think that Canterbury -wanted to be the first team... | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
-..to take the wind -out of the Lions' sails. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
-They were trying to soften us up -before the first test... | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
-..which was the following Saturday. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
-Barry John was supposed to play -at outside half... | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
-..but Carwyn had heard... | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
-..that it wasn't going to be easy. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
-He pulled Barry out of that game. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
-He played Arthur Lewis -at outside half instead. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
-It's a good job he did. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
-It was the last game -before the first test... | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
-..and they were out for his blood. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
-We lost three players -in that game... | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
-..including two -of our first-choice front row. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
-I'm sure that players -from both sides, perhaps... | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
-..have looked back and thought... | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
-..how they let that game -turn out as it did. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
-Rugby has always been a hard game, -and it should be hard... | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
-..but that was unnecessary. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
-I got a letter from my mother... | 0:14:01 | 0:14:04 | |
-..who said that my grandmother would -never buy Canterbury lamb again! | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
-Sandy Carmichael's face said it all. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
-The first test in Dunedin... | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
-..would be a battle between -the romantic and exciting Lions... | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
-..and the efficient -and merciless All Blacks. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
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-There were more Welshmen -on the 1971 tour than ever before. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
-Indeed, before this tour, -no Welshman had captained the Lions. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
-But Carwyn James's Lions, -captained by John Dawes... | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
-..won game after game -in New Zealand. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-Having won the Grand Slam -a few months earlier... | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
-..the golden age -of Welsh rugby stars... | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
-..were now shining -on the international stage. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
-A new generation of players -emerging from a new Wales. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
-There was a paradox in Wales -in the 1960s and 1970s. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
-On the one hand, -people feared for the future. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
-Coal was in decline, and people -were asking what would replace it. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
-But there was hope as well. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
-They saw a future where children -wouldn't have to work underground. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
-They also saw -a new future for Wales. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
-A different relationship -with Britain. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
-A more confident Wales... | 0:15:32 | 0:15:33 | |
-..that could look to the future -and claim it was also a nation. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
-It was a country that was changing. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
-Maybe the biggest changes since -the depression before the war... | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
-..and the period of austerity -after the war. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
-Economic prosperity -finally reached Wales. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
-Yes, coal was still in decline... | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
-..but you now had industries -like oil, like steel... | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
-..and vehicle manufacturing. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
-New offices were coming to Wales. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
-Vehicle licensing in Swansea, -the Royal Mint in Llantrisant. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
-The industrial pattern was changing. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
-The welfare state generation -came of age. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
-They sought higher education. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
-They flooded into training colleges -to become teachers. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
-They moved to London... | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
-..the capital of style, -fashion and popular culture. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
-They wanted to sample -this new culture. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
-London was a place -for talented people. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
-In a way, that explains -the appeal of London Welsh RFC. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
-Our rugby players reflected Wales. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
-Some came from -a middle-class background... | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
-..some came from -a working-class background. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
-Some had parents who had -worked in the coal industry... | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
-..but they themselves -had moved on to white-collar jobs. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
-They were like Wales itself, -from a variety of backgrounds. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
-Some spoke Welsh, -some spoke English. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
-Some lived in Wales, -some lived outside Wales. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
-The rugby team was a reflection -of the country as a whole. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
-A fairly cosmopolitan country. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
-In the Welsh team, -the Valleys hard men... | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
-..were fortified -by the London Welsh exiles. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
-The men from the capital were -welcomed into the national team. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
-But when London Welsh played Welsh -clubs, it was a different story. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
-We'd survive playing -for London Welsh in South Wales... | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
-..where, let's just say, we weren't -always cheered on by the locals! | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
-Certainly, the Llanelli -v London Welsh game on Boxing Day... | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
-..was an amazing occasion. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
-Usually, there were -at least 2,000 spectators... | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
-..locked outside the ground. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
-It was a really big occasion. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
-So, we were used to insults. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:10 | |
-I remember playing at the Gnoll, -in Neath, and being shouted at. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
-"Get back to London, -you English so-and-so!" | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
-We were playing for Wales -the following day! | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
-It made you -mentally tougher, I think. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
-It stood us in very good stead -for the Lions tour. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
-There are two sides -to the London Welsh story. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
-In one way... | 0:18:31 | 0:18:32 | |
-..it shows that you can get on -no matter where you come from. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
-In another way, it's sad. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
-If you wanted a career -in law or medicine... | 0:18:40 | 0:18:45 | |
-..London was where people went. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
-That shows a weakness -in the Welsh economy. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
-Seven London Welsh players -were selected for the 1971 Lions... | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
-..some achievement given the state -of the club a few years earlier. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
-The man who transformed a squad of -solicitors, teachers and doctors... | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
-..into one of Britain's best... | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
-..was the captain of London Welsh -and Wales, John Dawes. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
-Having led both his club -and his country to so much success.. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
-..he would be a strong contender -for the Lions captaincy. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
-You don't know -when you're going to get the call. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
-Naturally, -you're being tipped in the media... | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
-..so you get all nervous. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
-You're expecting... | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
-..but not really sure... | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
-..so, when it comes out, ooh... | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
-John Dawes was the best captain -I ever played under. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:47 | |
-He hasn't had the praise -that he deserved, to be honest. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
-Every time John played... | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
-..he played a fine game. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
-He never gave a bad pass... | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
-..to the man outside him. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
-John Dawes embodied -the adventurous spirit... | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
-..that formed the basis -of London Welsh and Wales's success. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
-But many doubted -whether this open style... | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
-..would be a wise move -on the hard pitches of New Zealand. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
-We were an eight-man rugby team, -if you like. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
-We were very much -a forward-orientated team then. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
-It may have reflected... | 0:20:28 | 0:20:29 | |
-..who was in charge of the side, -the coaching panel. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
-In the 60s, they played -some pretty fluent rugby. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
-The '67 side that went -to the British Isles and France... | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
-..was an outstanding rugby side. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
-It had some reflection on how -the team was coached, perhaps. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
-I enjoy running, and I think -all our backs do as well. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
-John Dawes and Carwyn have showed -that it's one of our strengths. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
-It's important that we realized this -at the start of the tour. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
-We've played fine rugby, and all -of New Zealand can enjoy it. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
-At 3.00pm -on Saturday, 26 June 1971... | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
-..referee John Pring -blew the whistle... | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
-..to start the series between -the Lions and the All Blacks. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
-Carwyn was in the grandstand... | 0:21:23 | 0:21:25 | |
-..pleased in the knowledge that -he had won a first little victory. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
-The Lions -could have won a series in 1959... | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
-..if not for some unfair refereeing. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
-In the first test in Dunedin... | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
-..the Lions scored four tries... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
-..but six Don Clarke penalties -gave the All Blacks a one-point win. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
-Carwyn was a politician. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
-That side of his character -came to the fore... | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
-..when he was in talks -with the New Zealand Rugby Union. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
-They could have been based -in the Kremlin. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
-They never yielded. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
-But Carwyn James's -gift of the gab... | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
-..led to him -successfully securing... | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
-..that the one fair referee -in New Zealand, Dr John Pring... | 0:22:10 | 0:22:16 | |
-..would take charge -of all the test matches. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
-Missing out Gibson. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:22 | |
-That's John Bevan, -tackled by Cottrell. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
-The All Blacks get the ball back. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
-Out to Sutherland. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
-It's charged down by McLauchlan, -and he's going to score. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
-3-0 to the Lions... | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
-In a four-test series, -the first test is totally crucial. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
-The tension was evident. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
-A few passes were dropped, -a few tackles were missed. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
-A few fists hit their target. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
-Ultimately, Ian McLauchlan's try -and two Barry John penalties... | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
-..were enough -to give the Lions a win. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
-It's always easier -when you're winning. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
-We'd been on tour for eight weeks -before the first test. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
-In those eight weeks, we'd won all -the provincial games that we played. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
-Consequently, that built confidence -and team morale... | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
-..and made it -a much happier place to be. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
-When you then come to the sharp end -of the tour, the test matches... | 0:23:22 | 0:23:28 | |
-..having sneaked the first test, -that kept it all going. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
-The Lions were ahead in the series. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
-More importantly, the All Blacks' -air of invincibility had vanished. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
-This had affected past Lions. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
-Now, it was New Zealand's turn -to be worried. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
-The Lions had been away from home -for almost two months... | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
-..but they still faced eight weeks -and another three test matches. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:05 | |
-Bruises and injuries... | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
-..were an integral part -of international rugby. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
-But on a tour like this, fatigue and -homesickness were bigger problems. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
-Carwyn stepped up once again. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
-Politician, poet, coach, -and now psychologist. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
-The morale was terrific -from the outset. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
-There were times -when Carwyn would say... | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
-I remember one occasion when I did -have a problem with my knee. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
-Three of us went off -on a bit of a holiday. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
-Bob Hiller, Mighty Mouse McLauchlan -and myself. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
-We went for a couple of nights. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
-A little tour around -the not-too-distant South Island. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
-There were fantastic sights to see. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
-Carwyn quite often used to do -simple things like that... | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
-..that were great for morale. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
-Wherever we went, -whichever part of the country... | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
-..we were always welcome, -always well-received. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
-We seemed to be -very popular as well. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
-It was a happy tour... | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
-..and I think the contribution made -by the New Zealand population... | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
-..was responsible for a lot of that. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:35 | |
-The second test. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:37 | |
-The Lions returned -to Lancaster Park in Christchurch... | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
-..where Canterbury had welcomed -them so warmly a few weeks earlier. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
-They conceded an early try -to the All Blacks... | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
-..but the Lions hit back -with the best try of the series... | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
-..JPR, Mike Gibson -and Gerald Davies combining. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
-But the All Blacks -were hell-bent on revenge. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
-Again, a high kick from Burgess. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
-I'd like to know, on average... | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
-..how many times -a fly-half in New Zealand... | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
-..kicks this ball -high up into the air. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
-The New Zealand forwards proved -too big and strong for the Lions. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
-They won the game 22-12, -and the series was tied. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
-At the time, we thought we were -mentally attuned for this match. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
-But in retrospect, -I don't think we really were. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
-New Zealand -won the second test easily. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
-Five tries to two. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
-But Carwyn James apparently -left the grandstand at the end... | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
-..after the Lions had lost, -with a smile on his face... | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
-..and told the players -that they would win the series. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
-He certainly had a plan. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
-When he left the first -training session in Eastbourne... | 0:27:08 | 0:27:14 | |
-..before flying to New Zealand, -he had a plan. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
-But he was also -sharp enough to know... | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
-..that he had -to leave the door open... | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
-..to react to what he saw -after getting to New Zealand. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
-That was a part -of his wise thinking. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
-He didn't go there -with a closed mind. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:34 | |
-The Lions had lost -for the first time on the tour. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
-All Blacks fans firmly believed... | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
-..that they had broken -the Lions' spirit. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
-For the 1971 Lions, -the crucial game was approaching. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
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-Subtitles | 0:27:54 | 0:27:54 | |
-Subtitles - -Subtitles | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
-If Carwyn did have a plan -to beat the All Blacks... | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
-..there was one vital part -to the strategy... | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
-..that was beyond the control -of even the man from Cefneithin. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
-Carwyn's style of play required -a dry ball and a hard pitch... | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
-..a rare combination -during the New Zealand winter. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
-But the winter of 1971 was unusual. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
-The Lions didn't encounter any rain -until they got to Hawke's Bay. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
-After this game, the sun shone -until the end of the tour. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
-They say of 1971... | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
-..that it hardly rained -while the Lions were there. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:39 | |
-In a country where the rain -barely stops in winter... | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
-..that's quite astonishing. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
-It helped enormously. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
-A dry ball, -good for handling, good for running. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
-Good for everything. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:56 | |
-I think it was unusual... | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
-..for New Zealand -to have such good weather... | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
-..for the length -of our particular tour. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
-We were very fortunate, -from our point of view... | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
-..that the weather was -uncharacteristically mild and dry. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
-It suited our type of play. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:13 | |
-It didn't suit -the All Blacks' style... | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
-..which was still -forward-orientated. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
-Yes, we were very lucky. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
-I think a lot -can be down to preparation... | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
-..but, particularly to beat the -All Blacks, you need luck as well. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
-Heavy rain fell in Wellington -in the week before the third test. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:37 | |
-But once again, things turned -suddenly to the Lions' advantage. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
-The sun came out... | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
-..and Wellington's famous winds -dried the pitch before the game. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
-Carwyn contacted -a local weather station... | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
-..barely 15 minutes before kick-off -to get the latest news. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
-The wind would blow strongly -and die down for the second half. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
-The tactics were simple. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
-Use the wind -to score early points... | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
-..then defend the advantage -in the second half. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
-Again, Willie John -wins the line-out. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
-Barry meant to kick, -but moves the ball out. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:15 | |
-Gerald Davies beating his man. -What a thrilling runner he is. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:20 | |
-The chip ahead -is taken by the wing. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
-What a tackle by John Taylor. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
-They're looking for the ruck -situation. In they go. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
-Back it comes, -David Duckham to Barry. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
-He's got plenty of time -to put that ball over. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
-That's the first score to us, 3-0. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
-For 20 minutes, -the Lions were at their best. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
-Gareth Edwards shone. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
-Remember the hand-off on Burgess and -Barry John scoring under the posts? | 0:30:44 | 0:30:49 | |
-Gerald Davies -sneaking into the corner. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
-Gareth on the blind-side, -and Gerald is over. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
-The Lions led 13-0 -in less than 20 minutes. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
-They wouldn't add to that tally -for the rest of the game. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
-But despite relentless pressure... | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
-..the All Blacks -could only muster one try. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
-Carwyn had a few secrets as a coach. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
-One of them... | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
-..and maybe the main one... | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
-..is knowing that you can win -before you set foot on the field. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:38 | |
-When I wrote Carwyn's biography, -every player I spoke to said that. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
-Willie John McBride, Slattery, -Delme Thomas, Barry John, whoever. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:50 | |
-They all said -that Carwyn's secret... | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
-..was to make you believe, -before you set foot on the pitch... | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
-..that you could win. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
-Before 1971, the Lions had only ever -won two test matches in New Zealand. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:07 | |
-Now, Carwyn's Lions -had won two in two months... | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
-..and there was a golden opportunity -to win a series for the first time. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
-He's the best rugby brain -I ever played under. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
-He was not only -a fantastic student of the game... | 0:32:19 | 0:32:23 | |
-..but he was -an amateur psychologist as well. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
-He would... | 0:32:26 | 0:32:27 | |
-It was great for me -because I was a very hard trainer. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
-I'd be banned from training -on a Monday... | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
-..because I was -injuring our own players. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
-Some of the lazier players, -shall I say... | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
-..would have to train twice -on Monday. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
-Everyone was treated differently, -and that was a great success. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
-We normally had Sunday off, -as a travelling day. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
-On Monday, we did have a heavy -training session, quite physical. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
-There were times when our backs... | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
-..were playing soccer, and appeared -to be enjoying themselves... | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
-..while we'd be scrummaging -up against the scrummaging machine. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:08 | |
-It seemed a bit unfair. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
-But Carwyn knew what was going on -and how the players would respond. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:15 | |
-People like Barry were -hugely skilful and very fit anyway. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:20 | |
-He just enjoyed being out there -with a soccer ball... | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
-..kicking the ball about -and having fun. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
-The Lions completed their -undefeated provincial campaign... | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
-..with a hard-fought 20-14 win -over Bay of Plenty in Tauranga. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:41 | |
-Once again, -the wisdom of Carwyn's refusal... | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
-..for Mr Murphy to referee -the tests became clear. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
-Chris Rea makes the break, -gives it to Alastair Biggar... | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
-..and he goes over the line. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
-That try would have been awarded -here, but not in New Zealand. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
-Not from Mr Pat Murphy. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
-As the end of the tour approached... | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
-..Carwyn was determined -that thoughts of going home... | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
-..wouldn't distract the players -from the huge challenge facing them. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
-He knew -that the players were with him. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:18 | |
-They knew what to tell Carwyn. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
-He learnt from them as well. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
-That was one of Carwyn's strengths. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
-He was willing to listen and use -the experience of the players. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:33 | |
-"Right then, boys, you've been -out here and played the All Blacks. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:39 | |
-"What do you think we have to do?" | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
-Carwyn James had realized -his ambition to coach the Lions. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
-His faith in the squad's ability -to win the series was unwavering. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
-The fateful hour had arrived. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
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-Subtitles | 0:35:00 | 0:35:00 | |
-Subtitles - -Subtitles | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
-The tired but united -and determined Lions... | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
-..were on the way to Auckland -for the final test. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
-They led the series 2-1... | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
-..and a historic series win -was within reach. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
-For the All Blacks, a tied series -would be disappointing. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
-Losing the series -would be disastrous. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
-Playing for the Lions was the -highest standard you could play at. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:38 | |
-New Zealand were the best team -in the world at that time. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
-We knew that if we were -to beat New Zealand... | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
-..it would take a bigger effort... | 0:35:47 | 0:35:51 | |
-..than we would have to put in -against any other country. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:56 | |
-Carwyn, 2-1 up in the series. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:00 | |
-How did you feel at this time? | 0:36:00 | 0:36:01 | |
-How did you feel at this time? - -Very nervous, I must admit. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
-There was an air of tension -about the fourth test, inevitably. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
-We were 2-1 up and we felt -that the series could be ours. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
-It's a genuine rugby country, -New Zealand. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
-Always when you won against -whoever you played that day... | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
-..if it was a Tuesday -or a Wednesday game... | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
-..it was always, "Wait 'til you get -to Auckland or Wellington." | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
-There was always something -in wait for us, really. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
-In the test series, -things got a bit more intense. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
-First blood to New Zealand. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
-A lot of people might have forgotten -or haven't seen it. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
-Barry missed a penalty. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
-All I can say is, it was easier -to kick it than to miss it. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
-That happened in the game. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:53 | |
-That stunned us all. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:55 | |
-We all went, "Oh, well..." | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
-We knew that things -weren't quite going right. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
-They got chances to score, -we got chances to score. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
-By half-time, it was level at 8-8. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
-The tension was clear on the faces -of the players and the crowd. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:15 | |
-Barry John kicked a penalty -straight after the restart. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
-Minutes later, -the All Blacks scored a try. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
-The score was tied once again. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
-Mains misses the kick, -so it's 11-11. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
-The test and the series -were in the balance. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
-The crucial moment had come. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
-On the way to the game, we were all -getting very nervous and homesick. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
-We'd been away for a long time, -three and a half months. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
-I could feel the tension in the bus. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
-I stood up and said, "OK, boys, -today, I'm going to drop a goal!" | 0:37:47 | 0:37:51 | |
-He'd said that he was going -to kick a drop goal. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
-No-one believed him, of course. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
-JPR was an exceptional player... | 0:38:02 | 0:38:07 | |
-..but kicking -wasn't one of his strengths. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
-I only ever dropped -three drop goals in my life. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
-But I used to stay out -after training... | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
-..and catch the balls being kicked -by Barry John and Bob Hiller. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
-When they'd finished -their training... | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
-..they told me to drop some goals, -so I had practised a bit. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
-David Duckham threw the pass, -and the ball went behind me. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
-When John caught the ball... | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
-..I remember saying, "What now? -Is JPR going to kick his drop goal?" | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
-I don't remember... | 0:38:45 | 0:38:46 | |
-..my exact words... | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
-..but it was something like... | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
-.."God, he's kicked it!" | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
-I couldn't believe it! | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
-Duckham throws it back wildly, -but it comes to John Williams. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:04 | |
-He tries a drop for goal. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
-It's over! | 0:39:07 | 0:39:08 | |
-I knew it was there, and it was -still climbing as it went over! | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
-I turned to the reserves in the -crowd and said, "I told you so!" | 0:39:12 | 0:39:16 | |
-When JPR dropped that goal... | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
-..maybe that was how -it was meant to happen. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
-That's it, the end of the game. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
-Fourteen points each, -and the Lions win the series 2-1... | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
-..with one match drawn. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
-Winning a series in New Zealand... | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
-..is something that I'm sure -is every rugby player's dream. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:45 | |
-I'm very proud -to be one of those players... | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
-..who did win -out there in New Zealand. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
-Even today, -when 40 years have gone by... | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
-..since we won the series... | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
-..it's the only Lions team -to have done it. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
-I remember turning to Gerald Davies. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
-Gerald and I were big mates. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
-We sat there, -almost too tired to get changed. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
-I turned to Gerald... | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
-I was trying to think -how I should feel. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
-I said, "Do you know what?" | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
-"We've won." | 0:40:24 | 0:40:25 | |
-And Gerald said, "Yes. So what?" | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
-No big deal, you know. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
-We didn't know -how we were supposed to feel. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
-Carwyn did realize -what they had achieved... | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
-..at the end of the final test. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
-He knew that they had won -the first series ever... | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
-..against New Zealand. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
-He knew that. | 0:40:58 | 0:40:59 | |
-He knew his history... | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
-..including his rugby history, -well enough. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
-He knew exactly -what he had achieved. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
-I don't think he realized... | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
-..the magnitude of the success -off the field. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
-I don't think he realized the -magnitude of his personal success... | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
-..and how that success -would affect him personally. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
-The squad was on the way home, -but one leading Lion stayed behind. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
-JPR Williams -stayed in New Zealand... | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
-..and saw how the country came to -terms with the new rugby order. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
-The New Zealand public didn't -believe that they could have lost. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
-I was wined and dined everywhere... | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
-..but they still didn't believe -that they'd lost. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
-It took a month to sink in, -and it was the same with me. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
-I did not realize the magnitude -of what we'd done. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
-We didn't know the history. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
-We knew about the fanaticism... | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
-..of rugby in New Zealand. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
-But I think probably halfway -through my three months out there... | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
-..I realized, "Wow, we have -achieved something here." | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
-No-one expected us to do well. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:17 | |
-They certainly didn't expect us -to win out there. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
-I think they were all surprised... | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
-..that this particular -British Lions team won. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
-I think when they sat down -at the end of the tour... | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
-..and realized -they had lost the test series... | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
-..they simply said, -in New Zealand style... | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
-..now we've got some work to do. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
-No rugby team -had received such a welcome. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
-The Lions flew to New Zealand -as rugby players of the amateur age. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:52 | |
-They came home as sports stars. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:54 | |
-Now, they were famous people. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
-For players like -Gareth Edwards, Derek Quinnell... | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
-..Gerald Davies and JPR Williams, -it was the start of a decade... | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
-..as key players -in Welsh rugby's golden age. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
-The Lions' success in New Zealand... | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
-..was pivotal -to what happened in Wales... | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
-..as regards -how the game should be played... | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
-..and the developments in coaching. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:26 | |
-Throughout the 1970s, -Wales were at the forefront... | 0:43:27 | 0:43:32 | |
-..in the process of influencing -how other countries played the game. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:38 | |
-There's no doubt -that the rugby the Lions played... | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
-..under Carwyn James in 1971... | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
-..influenced not only the way -rugby was played in Wales... | 0:43:44 | 0:43:49 | |
-..but also across Britain -and the world. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:53 | |
-But Welsh rugby's golden age -went on without the Cefneithin duo. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
-The 1971 tour was a turning point -for the whole squad. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
-But for one man more than any, -the attention was endless. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
-Barry John was crowned -as the king in New Zealand. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
-The pressure on him was such -that he retired within a year. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:16 | |
-Indeed, the memorable 1971 tour... | 0:44:17 | 0:44:20 | |
-..had an inescapable effect -on the drama's two main characters. | 0:44:20 | 0:44:25 | |
-Without a shadow of a doubt... | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
-..the 1971 tour had a big effect... | 0:44:29 | 0:44:32 | |
-..on both Barry John -and Carwyn James. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
-Less than a year later, -Barry John had retired from rugby. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
-Carwyn carried on... | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
-..but what happened, -and dealing with what happened... | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
-..was the beginning of the end -for him as well. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
-I think things started to go wrong -when he came back from New Zealand. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:57 | |
-He had to cope with success, -with the effects of success... | 0:44:57 | 0:45:02 | |
-..and the results of success, -and he couldn't do it. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
-He was too private a man, -too nice, and he couldn't say no. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
-It's a heartbreaking thing -to say, actually... | 0:45:11 | 0:45:14 | |
-..that two geniuses... | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
-..who were, a cliche but true, -ahead of their time... | 0:45:16 | 0:45:20 | |
-..didn't fit in -with the structure... | 0:45:20 | 0:45:25 | |
-..or the proper context -at the time... | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
-..for them to be able -to carry on as individuals. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
-How much harder is it out there? | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
-Well... | 0:45:38 | 0:45:39 | |
-..as has been said, it's more -or less a religion in New Zealand. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:44 | |
-This is one of the things -they do well. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
-They realize that they are -at the top of the world in rugby. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
-So, when they lose, -it's a huge tragedy for them. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
-My fear is -that some of their coaches... | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
-..will lose ground, -lose their jobs and so on. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:03 | |
-They do have strong self-belief -where rugby is concerned. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:07 | |
-Their rugby is always good. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
-I hope that no-one in Wales, -when they come over next year... | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
-..expects it to be easy, -because it won't be. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
-They'll have an exceptional team -and we'll have to be at our best. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
-There is no doubt at all... | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
-..that the fact that the All Blacks -lost the series on the 1971 tour... | 0:46:23 | 0:46:29 | |
-..completely changed their mindset. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
-After seeing the Lions play -so many games out in New Zealand... | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
-..they realized that they had -to play fifteen-man rugby. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
-It may well be true... | 0:46:42 | 0:46:43 | |
-..that Carwyn Jones had a bigger -influence on New Zealand rugby... | 0:46:43 | 0:46:48 | |
-..than he did -on rugby in Britain and Ireland. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
-Did Carwyn improve rugby here? | 0:46:52 | 0:46:54 | |
-Maybe so, but he certainly did -in New Zealand. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:58 | |
-Since then, -I think we've progressed. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:01 | |
-I don't know if we've lost -to the Lions since then. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
-So, thank you, Carwyn and John, -for setting that base. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
-I knew it was going to be -an incredible experience. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:16 | |
-But I must admit, to this day... | 0:47:16 | 0:47:20 | |
-..I find it hard to believe -that we actually did it. | 0:47:20 | 0:47:26 | |
-That's what it meant at that time. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
-To this day, -I look back and think... | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
-..was I dreaming? | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
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