Llewod '71

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-On 25 March 1971, a squad -of 30 players was selected...	0:00:03	0:00:07
-..to represent the British Lions -for the summer tour to New Zealand.	0:00:08	0:00:13
-Thirteen Welshmen, six Irishmen, -six Englishmen and five Scots...	0:00:14	0:00:18
-..hoping to become -the first British touring party...	0:00:19	0:00:22
-..to win a test series -against the All Blacks.	0:00:23	0:00:26
-I'm sure -it's every rugby player's dream.	0:00:26	0:00:30
-It was a huge experience for me, -one that I'll honestly never forget.	0:00:31	0:00:36
-I don't think we were confident...	0:00:37	0:00:40
-..certainly when I look back at it.	0:00:40	0:00:44
-Yes, we had confidence -in ourselves as players.	0:00:44	0:00:48
-But beating the All Blacks? -No, I don't think we thought that.	0:00:49	0:00:52
-That summer's dramatic -and controversial events...	0:00:53	0:00:56
-..in Wales and New Zealand, were -turning points in rugby history.	0:00:57	0:01:01
-Rugby was never the same -after the 1971 tour.	0:01:01	0:01:04
-The '71 Lions, -coached by Carwyn James...	0:01:05	0:01:08
-..I think changed the face -of New Zealand rugby.	0:01:09	0:01:12
-In May 1970, -at the East India Club in London...	0:01:33	0:01:37
-..the greats of the four home unions -met to select a coach...	0:01:37	0:01:41
-..to lead the Lions -on their foreign adventure.	0:01:41	0:01:44
-The Lions' initial mission...	0:01:47	0:01:48
-..was to teach rugby to -British colonies across the world.	0:01:49	0:01:52
-But for almost a century, -the missionaries lost heavily...	0:01:53	0:01:56
-..especially in New Zealand.	0:01:56	0:01:58
-The post was advertised -in the newspapers.	0:02:02	0:02:05
-For a West Wales teacher, -this was the dream opportunity.	0:02:05	0:02:09
-The opportunity to change history.	0:02:10	0:02:12
-In the old-fashioned tradition, -he was placed on a shortlist...	0:02:12	0:02:17
-..and invited for an interview -at London's East India Club.	0:02:18	0:02:22
-But in order -to attend the interview...	0:02:23	0:02:25
-..Carwyn had to change -his arrangements.	0:02:26	0:02:28
-He was supposed to open -a summer fair...	0:02:29	0:02:31
-..in Felinfoel, near Llanelli, -on the same day.	0:02:32	0:02:35
-Carwyn was a contender for two posts -in the spring of 1970.	0:02:37	0:02:42
-As well as the Lions...	0:02:42	0:02:43
-..he was also a candidate -in that year's general election.	0:02:44	0:02:48
-In staunchly Labour Llanelli...	0:02:48	0:02:50
-..the town's rugby coach -was standing for Plaid Cymru.	0:02:51	0:02:54
-An election victory -was as unlikely...	0:02:54	0:02:57
-..as a Lions series win -in New Zealand.	0:02:57	0:02:59
-Carwyn was resolute -in his intention.	0:03:01	0:03:04
-He moved from Llandovery College -to Trinity College...	0:03:04	0:03:08
-..to be closer to Llanelli...	0:03:09	0:03:11
-..so that he could coach Llanelli -and be in a situation...	0:03:11	0:03:16
-..to be appointed not so much -the Wales coach as the Lions coach.	0:03:16	0:03:22
-What's important to remember -about the 1960s and 1970s...	0:03:26	0:03:30
-..is that a lot of people in Wales -feared Plaid Cymru.	0:03:30	0:03:34
-They were afraid -of what Plaid Cymru stood for.	0:03:34	0:03:38
-The fact that Carwyn made clear -his support for Plaid Cymru...	0:03:38	0:03:43
-..made it difficult for the WRU...	0:03:43	0:03:46
-..to appoint him as team coach.	0:03:46	0:03:49
-It was perhaps easier...	0:03:49	0:03:50
-..for someone in London to do so.	0:03:51	0:03:53
-For them, Plaid Cymru -stood for something different.	0:03:53	0:03:58
-They saw Plaid Cymru as a party -that stood against the Labour Party.	0:03:59	0:04:03
-Against a government -they didn't support.	0:04:03	0:04:06
-Maybe the RFU didn't care -that he was a nationalist.	0:04:07	0:04:13
-But for people in Cardiff, -for the WRU...	0:04:13	0:04:16
-..Carwyn stood for something -that they feared.	0:04:16	0:04:20
-It's not an easy exercise...	0:04:21	0:04:23
-..because you've got -four nations together.	0:04:23	0:04:26
-All of those players -expect to be in the top test team...	0:04:27	0:04:31
-..because they are -for their own country.	0:04:31	0:04:34
-They've all got -really positive self-esteem...	0:04:34	0:04:37
-..so mixing that right -is not an easy task.	0:04:37	0:04:41
-The squad first got together -in Eastbourne.	0:04:44	0:04:48
-It was a mix -of experienced Lions, new stars...	0:04:48	0:04:51
-..and one man with no international -experience whatsoever.	0:04:52	0:04:56
-There was some speculation -in the press...	0:04:58	0:05:01
-..but not having played for Wales...	0:05:01	0:05:03
-..it was more of a hope, -really, from my point of view.	0:05:04	0:05:07
-But when the name -actually came out of the hat...	0:05:07	0:05:10
-..and announced on the radio, which -is how we found out in those days...	0:05:10	0:05:14
-..obviously, -there was great excitement.	0:05:15	0:05:18
-I was thrilled to be part of it.	0:05:18	0:05:20
-While some waited nervously -for their names to be announced...	0:05:21	0:05:26
-..there was no doubt -who would wear the number 10 shirt.	0:05:26	0:05:30
-Barry John -was Wales' charismatic outside half.	0:05:32	0:05:35
-Once Carwyn was appointed coach, -there was no doubt that Barry...	0:05:35	0:05:40
-..would play the lead role -in the upcoming drama.	0:05:40	0:05:43
-The relationship between Barry -and Carwyn was totally...	0:05:45	0:05:50
-It's hard to describe it.	0:05:51	0:05:53
-It was inherent, -so difficult to describe.	0:05:53	0:05:56
-They were from the same village.	0:05:56	0:05:58
-On the field here in Cefneithin...	0:06:00	0:06:03
-..Carwyn James carried the boots -of then outside half Iestyn James.	0:06:03	0:06:08
-When Carwyn was outside half, -who carried Carwyn's boots?	0:06:09	0:06:13
-Barry John.	0:06:13	0:06:14
-Barry John -lived on that side of the field...	0:06:15	0:06:18
-..and Carwyn -lived on the other side.	0:06:19	0:06:21
-They faced each other.	0:06:21	0:06:23
-It was innate.	0:06:23	0:06:24
-The relationship between them -was instinctive, almost.	0:06:24	0:06:28
-On 9 May 1971, the Lions -came to Heathrow Airport...	0:06:30	0:06:34
-..to start a 12,000-mile journey.	0:06:35	0:06:37
-The first stop was in Australia.	0:06:38	0:06:40
-I thought -the organization was fantastic.	0:06:41	0:06:44
-They got 32 people down the end -of the plane sitting together.	0:06:45	0:06:50
-Nowadays, the guys turn left -and go up to club class.	0:06:50	0:06:55
-Obviously, the expense came into it.	0:06:55	0:06:59
-So, from that point of view...	0:06:59	0:07:01
-..flying all the way to Brisbane -arriving on a Monday night...	0:07:01	0:07:07
-..and playing on Wednesday -afternoon was quite tough.	0:07:07	0:07:11
-The first game of the tour was -in Australia, against Queensland.	0:07:12	0:07:16
-We actually lost that game.	0:07:16	0:07:18
-One Australia coach said...	0:07:19	0:07:20
-..it was the worst Lions team -they'd ever seen.	0:07:20	0:07:23
-I'd read what the press -were saying about us...	0:07:31	0:07:35
-..especially in New Zealand.	0:07:35	0:07:38
-That maybe -these young Welsh players...	0:07:38	0:07:42
-..about whom -so much had been written...	0:07:42	0:07:45
-..aren't as good -as they think they are.	0:07:45	0:07:48
-That made you think a bit, -and you wanted to prove a point.	0:07:48	0:07:54
-After the defeat to Queensland, -New Zealand rugby fans agreed...	0:08:00	0:08:04
-..that this Lions side didn't pose -a threat to the All Blacks.	0:08:04	0:08:08
-The 1966 and 1968 Lions -were beaten comparatively easily.	0:08:09	0:08:14
-The Welsh, despite -their Five Nations success...	0:08:15	0:08:18
-..were considered to be -particularly poor travellers.	0:08:18	0:08:22
-That team was a very experienced -Lions team in 1971...	0:08:24	0:08:28
-The Welsh side was probably -the best in Europe at the time.	0:08:28	0:08:33
-They played a lot together -and it had a Welsh backbone.	0:08:33	0:08:38
-In the press, -there were lots of stories.	0:08:39	0:08:41
-Too many Welshmen in the team.	0:08:41	0:08:43
-That didn't bother us at all.	0:08:44	0:08:45
-We were British Lions, -and we went out there as British.	0:08:46	0:08:49
-Certainly from our point of view, -seven of us were from London Welsh.	0:08:50	0:08:54
-We had extra training sessions...	0:08:55	0:08:57
-..getting ourselves in shape -for what we knew was to come.	0:08:58	0:09:01
-Two years previously, -we'd had quite a hammering.	0:09:02	0:09:05
-We thought we were -quite a good side.	0:09:05	0:09:07
-We went out there -with the Welsh side...	0:09:08	0:09:10
-..and got absolutely hammered.	0:09:10	0:09:12
-I went out there with Wales -a couple of years previously.	0:09:12	0:09:17
-It was so disappointing -to lose those games...	0:09:18	0:09:23
-..and not even being close -to winning them.	0:09:24	0:09:28
-You could say -that they were a lot better than us.	0:09:29	0:09:32
-Maybe we hadn't realized that.	0:09:33	0:09:35
-We went out -having won the Triple Crown...	0:09:35	0:09:39
-..and the championship -as well, I think.	0:09:39	0:09:42
-We went out there -with a lot of confidence...	0:09:42	0:09:45
-..but saw very quickly that the -All Blacks were much better than us.	0:09:46	0:09:50
-It was all too apparent that Carwyn -selected more Welshmen...	0:09:57	0:10:01
-..for the Lions than players -from the other nations.	0:10:01	0:10:05
-That was the situation at the time.	0:10:05	0:10:08
-The task for Carwyn, -as a nationalist...	0:10:08	0:10:12
-..was uniting players from the four -home nations and Eire as well.	0:10:13	0:10:18
-That was the task for Carwyn.	0:10:18	0:10:20
-Uniting different nationalities -who knew that he was a nationalist.	0:10:20	0:10:25
-But Carwyn was sharp enough -to be well aware of that fact.	0:10:25	0:10:30
-He said that he wanted -the Englishmen to be English...	0:10:30	0:10:33
-..the Irishmen to be Irish, -the Scotsmen to be Scottish...	0:10:34	0:10:37
-..and the Welshmen to be Welsh.	0:10:37	0:10:39
-That everyone -should be themselves...	0:10:39	0:10:42
-..and to leave it to him -to unite everyone.	0:10:42	0:10:45
-When he met the squad, he said -that he didn't want any fake unity.	0:10:46	0:10:52
-He wanted the Englishmen -to be as arrogant as usual.	0:10:52	0:10:55
-The Irishmen to be just as wild.	0:10:55	0:10:58
-The Scots to give the impression -of being dour, and so on.	0:10:58	0:11:03
-He said -that some of the Welsh players...	0:11:03	0:11:05
-..would converse in Welsh -because it came naturally to them.	0:11:06	0:11:09
-He wanted everyone to retain -their national characteristics...	0:11:10	0:11:14
-..whilst wearing the same shirt -and sharing the same objective.	0:11:14	0:11:18
-The first weeks of the tour -were like a fake war.	0:11:21	0:11:24
-The Lions toured North Island, -beating local teams fairly easily.	0:11:24	0:11:29
-That included a 35-14 win -over Waikato in Hamilton.	0:11:29	0:11:34
-But everyone knew that -the first big game of the tour...	0:11:36	0:11:39
-..was at Wellington, New Zealand's -strongest club side at the time.	0:11:40	0:11:44
-I think the Wellington game -was our first challenge.	0:11:44	0:11:49
-We went out there -expecting every game to be hard...	0:11:49	0:11:53
-..but Wellington and Otago...	0:11:53	0:11:56
-..those two in particular -Carwyn had pinpointed.	0:11:56	0:12:00
-"Look, these games are special.	0:12:00	0:12:02
-"If you can get a win -under your belt with those games...	0:12:03	0:12:06
-"..then the tour will go well."	0:12:06	0:12:08
-For the first month of the tour...	0:12:09	0:12:11
-..the New Zealand public -weren't particularly impressed.	0:12:11	0:12:15
-Probably the best display of rugby -the Lions played on that tour...	0:12:15	0:12:20
-..was against Wellington, -the top team at the time.	0:12:20	0:12:23
-We put 40 points on Wellington.	0:12:23	0:12:25
-A try was only three points then, -so that was a heck of a score.	0:12:26	0:12:29
-After that game, the New Zealand -public began to take notice of us.	0:12:30	0:12:35
-New Zealand couldn't understand...	0:12:39	0:12:41
-..how a Lions side -that was meant to lose every game...	0:12:42	0:12:45
-..had won every game -in the run-up to the first test.	0:12:46	0:12:49
-We had beaten several good sides.	0:12:50	0:12:52
-I think that Canterbury -wanted to be the first team...	0:12:52	0:12:56
-..to take the wind -out of the Lions' sails.	0:12:56	0:13:00
-They were trying to soften us up -before the first test...	0:13:01	0:13:06
-..which was the following Saturday.	0:13:06	0:13:09
-Barry John was supposed to play -at outside half...	0:13:10	0:13:13
-..but Carwyn had heard...	0:13:14	0:13:16
-..that it wasn't going to be easy.	0:13:16	0:13:18
-He pulled Barry out of that game.	0:13:19	0:13:22
-He played Arthur Lewis -at outside half instead.	0:13:23	0:13:26
-It's a good job he did.	0:13:26	0:13:28
-It was the last game -before the first test...	0:13:28	0:13:31
-..and they were out for his blood.	0:13:31	0:13:34
-We lost three players -in that game...	0:13:34	0:13:37
-..including two -of our first-choice front row.	0:13:37	0:13:40
-I'm sure that players -from both sides, perhaps...	0:13:41	0:13:46
-..have looked back and thought...	0:13:46	0:13:49
-..how they let that game -turn out as it did.	0:13:49	0:13:53
-Rugby has always been a hard game, -and it should be hard...	0:13:53	0:13:58
-..but that was unnecessary.	0:13:58	0:14:01
-I got a letter from my mother...	0:14:01	0:14:04
-..who said that my grandmother would -never buy Canterbury lamb again!	0:14:04	0:14:08
-Sandy Carmichael's face said it all.	0:14:11	0:14:14
-The first test in Dunedin...	0:14:14	0:14:16
-..would be a battle between -the romantic and exciting Lions...	0:14:16	0:14:20
-..and the efficient -and merciless All Blacks.	0:14:20	0:14:23
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-There were more Welshmen -on the 1971 tour than ever before.	0:14:32	0:14:36
-Indeed, before this tour, -no Welshman had captained the Lions.	0:14:37	0:14:41
-But Carwyn James's Lions, -captained by John Dawes...	0:14:44	0:14:48
-..won game after game -in New Zealand.	0:14:48	0:14:51
-Having won the Grand Slam -a few months earlier...	0:14:51	0:14:54
-..the golden age -of Welsh rugby stars...	0:14:54	0:14:56
-..were now shining -on the international stage.	0:14:57	0:15:00
-A new generation of players -emerging from a new Wales.	0:15:00	0:15:04
-There was a paradox in Wales -in the 1960s and 1970s.	0:15:06	0:15:10
-On the one hand, -people feared for the future.	0:15:10	0:15:13
-Coal was in decline, and people -were asking what would replace it.	0:15:13	0:15:18
-But there was hope as well.	0:15:18	0:15:20
-They saw a future where children -wouldn't have to work underground.	0:15:20	0:15:25
-They also saw -a new future for Wales.	0:15:26	0:15:28
-A different relationship -with Britain.	0:15:28	0:15:31
-A more confident Wales...	0:15:32	0:15:33
-..that could look to the future -and claim it was also a nation.	0:15:34	0:15:38
-It was a country that was changing.	0:15:42	0:15:44
-Maybe the biggest changes since -the depression before the war...	0:15:45	0:15:49
-..and the period of austerity -after the war.	0:15:50	0:15:55
-Economic prosperity -finally reached Wales.	0:15:55	0:15:58
-Yes, coal was still in decline...	0:15:58	0:16:00
-..but you now had industries -like oil, like steel...	0:16:01	0:16:06
-..and vehicle manufacturing.	0:16:06	0:16:08
-New offices were coming to Wales.	0:16:08	0:16:11
-Vehicle licensing in Swansea, -the Royal Mint in Llantrisant.	0:16:11	0:16:15
-The industrial pattern was changing.	0:16:16	0:16:18
-The welfare state generation -came of age.	0:16:18	0:16:22
-They sought higher education.	0:16:22	0:16:24
-They flooded into training colleges -to become teachers.	0:16:24	0:16:28
-They moved to London...	0:16:28	0:16:30
-..the capital of style, -fashion and popular culture.	0:16:30	0:16:34
-They wanted to sample -this new culture.	0:16:34	0:16:37
-London was a place -for talented people.	0:16:37	0:16:40
-In a way, that explains -the appeal of London Welsh RFC.	0:16:40	0:16:44
-Our rugby players reflected Wales.	0:16:45	0:16:48
-Some came from -a middle-class background...	0:16:48	0:16:51
-..some came from -a working-class background.	0:16:51	0:16:55
-Some had parents who had -worked in the coal industry...	0:16:55	0:16:58
-..but they themselves -had moved on to white-collar jobs.	0:16:59	0:17:03
-They were like Wales itself, -from a variety of backgrounds.	0:17:03	0:17:07
-Some spoke Welsh, -some spoke English.	0:17:07	0:17:10
-Some lived in Wales, -some lived outside Wales.	0:17:10	0:17:14
-The rugby team was a reflection -of the country as a whole.	0:17:14	0:17:18
-A fairly cosmopolitan country.	0:17:18	0:17:21
-In the Welsh team, -the Valleys hard men...	0:17:24	0:17:27
-..were fortified -by the London Welsh exiles.	0:17:27	0:17:30
-The men from the capital were -welcomed into the national team.	0:17:33	0:17:37
-But when London Welsh played Welsh -clubs, it was a different story.	0:17:38	0:17:43
-We'd survive playing -for London Welsh in South Wales...	0:17:44	0:17:48
-..where, let's just say, we weren't -always cheered on by the locals!	0:17:49	0:17:53
-Certainly, the Llanelli -v London Welsh game on Boxing Day...	0:17:54	0:17:58
-..was an amazing occasion.	0:17:58	0:18:00
-Usually, there were -at least 2,000 spectators...	0:18:00	0:18:04
-..locked outside the ground.	0:18:04	0:18:06
-It was a really big occasion.	0:18:06	0:18:08
-So, we were used to insults.	0:18:08	0:18:10
-I remember playing at the Gnoll, -in Neath, and being shouted at.	0:18:11	0:18:15
-"Get back to London, -you English so-and-so!"	0:18:15	0:18:18
-We were playing for Wales -the following day!	0:18:19	0:18:22
-It made you -mentally tougher, I think.	0:18:22	0:18:24
-It stood us in very good stead -for the Lions tour.	0:18:24	0:18:28
-There are two sides -to the London Welsh story.	0:18:28	0:18:31
-In one way...	0:18:31	0:18:32
-..it shows that you can get on -no matter where you come from.	0:18:33	0:18:37
-In another way, it's sad.	0:18:37	0:18:40
-If you wanted a career -in law or medicine...	0:18:40	0:18:45
-..London was where people went.	0:18:45	0:18:48
-That shows a weakness -in the Welsh economy.	0:18:48	0:18:52
-Seven London Welsh players -were selected for the 1971 Lions...	0:18:54	0:18:59
-..some achievement given the state -of the club a few years earlier.	0:18:59	0:19:04
-The man who transformed a squad of -solicitors, teachers and doctors...	0:19:04	0:19:09
-..into one of Britain's best...	0:19:09	0:19:11
-..was the captain of London Welsh -and Wales, John Dawes.	0:19:12	0:19:15
-Having led both his club -and his country to so much success..	0:19:17	0:19:21
-..he would be a strong contender -for the Lions captaincy.	0:19:21	0:19:25
-You don't know -when you're going to get the call.	0:19:25	0:19:29
-Naturally, -you're being tipped in the media...	0:19:29	0:19:32
-..so you get all nervous.	0:19:32	0:19:34
-You're expecting...	0:19:34	0:19:36
-..but not really sure...	0:19:36	0:19:39
-..so, when it comes out, ooh...	0:19:39	0:19:41
-John Dawes was the best captain -I ever played under.	0:19:41	0:19:47
-He hasn't had the praise -that he deserved, to be honest.	0:19:47	0:19:51
-Every time John played...	0:19:51	0:19:53
-..he played a fine game.	0:19:54	0:19:55
-He never gave a bad pass...	0:19:56	0:19:59
-..to the man outside him.	0:20:00	0:20:02
-John Dawes embodied -the adventurous spirit...	0:20:04	0:20:07
-..that formed the basis -of London Welsh and Wales's success.	0:20:07	0:20:11
-But many doubted -whether this open style...	0:20:13	0:20:16
-..would be a wise move -on the hard pitches of New Zealand.	0:20:16	0:20:20
-We were an eight-man rugby team, -if you like.	0:20:22	0:20:24
-We were very much -a forward-orientated team then.	0:20:25	0:20:28
-It may have reflected...	0:20:28	0:20:29
-..who was in charge of the side, -the coaching panel.	0:20:30	0:20:33
-In the 60s, they played -some pretty fluent rugby.	0:20:33	0:20:36
-The '67 side that went -to the British Isles and France...	0:20:37	0:20:40
-..was an outstanding rugby side.	0:20:41	0:20:44
-It had some reflection on how -the team was coached, perhaps.	0:20:44	0:20:47
-I enjoy running, and I think -all our backs do as well.	0:20:48	0:20:52
-John Dawes and Carwyn have showed -that it's one of our strengths.	0:20:52	0:20:57
-It's important that we realized this -at the start of the tour.	0:20:58	0:21:02
-We've played fine rugby, and all -of New Zealand can enjoy it.	0:21:02	0:21:06
-At 3.00pm -on Saturday, 26 June 1971...	0:21:08	0:21:13
-..referee John Pring -blew the whistle...	0:21:14	0:21:17
-..to start the series between -the Lions and the All Blacks.	0:21:17	0:21:21
-Carwyn was in the grandstand...	0:21:23	0:21:25
-..pleased in the knowledge that -he had won a first little victory.	0:21:25	0:21:29
-The Lions -could have won a series in 1959...	0:21:30	0:21:33
-..if not for some unfair refereeing.	0:21:33	0:21:35
-In the first test in Dunedin...	0:21:36	0:21:38
-..the Lions scored four tries...	0:21:38	0:21:40
-..but six Don Clarke penalties -gave the All Blacks a one-point win.	0:21:41	0:21:45
-Carwyn was a politician.	0:21:45	0:21:48
-That side of his character -came to the fore...	0:21:48	0:21:52
-..when he was in talks -with the New Zealand Rugby Union.	0:21:52	0:21:57
-They could have been based -in the Kremlin.	0:21:57	0:22:01
-They never yielded.	0:22:01	0:22:02
-But Carwyn James's -gift of the gab...	0:22:03	0:22:06
-..led to him -successfully securing...	0:22:06	0:22:10
-..that the one fair referee -in New Zealand, Dr John Pring...	0:22:10	0:22:16
-..would take charge -of all the test matches.	0:22:16	0:22:20
-Missing out Gibson.	0:22:21	0:22:22
-That's John Bevan, -tackled by Cottrell.	0:22:22	0:22:25
-The All Blacks get the ball back.	0:22:25	0:22:28
-Out to Sutherland.	0:22:28	0:22:29
-It's charged down by McLauchlan, -and he's going to score.	0:22:29	0:22:33
-3-0 to the Lions...	0:22:33	0:22:35
-In a four-test series, -the first test is totally crucial.	0:22:37	0:22:41
-The tension was evident.	0:22:41	0:22:43
-A few passes were dropped, -a few tackles were missed.	0:22:43	0:22:47
-A few fists hit their target.	0:22:47	0:22:49
-Ultimately, Ian McLauchlan's try -and two Barry John penalties...	0:22:53	0:22:58
-..were enough -to give the Lions a win.	0:22:58	0:23:01
-It's always easier -when you're winning.	0:23:05	0:23:07
-We'd been on tour for eight weeks -before the first test.	0:23:07	0:23:11
-In those eight weeks, we'd won all -the provincial games that we played.	0:23:11	0:23:15
-Consequently, that built confidence -and team morale...	0:23:16	0:23:19
-..and made it -a much happier place to be.	0:23:19	0:23:22
-When you then come to the sharp end -of the tour, the test matches...	0:23:22	0:23:28
-..having sneaked the first test, -that kept it all going.	0:23:29	0:23:33
-The Lions were ahead in the series.	0:23:35	0:23:37
-More importantly, the All Blacks' -air of invincibility had vanished.	0:23:37	0:23:42
-This had affected past Lions.	0:23:43	0:23:45
-Now, it was New Zealand's turn -to be worried.	0:23:45	0:23:49
-The Lions had been away from home -for almost two months...	0:23:55	0:23:59
-..but they still faced eight weeks -and another three test matches.	0:23:59	0:24:05
-Bruises and injuries...	0:24:05	0:24:07
-..were an integral part -of international rugby.	0:24:08	0:24:11
-But on a tour like this, fatigue and -homesickness were bigger problems.	0:24:11	0:24:16
-Carwyn stepped up once again.	0:24:16	0:24:18
-Politician, poet, coach, -and now psychologist.	0:24:18	0:24:22
-The morale was terrific -from the outset.	0:24:23	0:24:26
-There were times -when Carwyn would say...	0:24:26	0:24:29
-I remember one occasion when I did -have a problem with my knee.	0:24:29	0:24:33
-Three of us went off -on a bit of a holiday.	0:24:33	0:24:36
-Bob Hiller, Mighty Mouse McLauchlan -and myself.	0:24:36	0:24:39
-We went for a couple of nights.	0:24:40	0:24:43
-A little tour around -the not-too-distant South Island.	0:24:43	0:24:48
-There were fantastic sights to see.	0:24:49	0:24:51
-Carwyn quite often used to do -simple things like that...	0:24:52	0:24:55
-..that were great for morale.	0:24:55	0:24:57
-Wherever we went, -whichever part of the country...	0:25:12	0:25:15
-..we were always welcome, -always well-received.	0:25:15	0:25:19
-We seemed to be -very popular as well.	0:25:19	0:25:23
-It was a happy tour...	0:25:24	0:25:27
-..and I think the contribution made -by the New Zealand population...	0:25:27	0:25:32
-..was responsible for a lot of that.	0:25:32	0:25:35
-The second test.	0:25:36	0:25:37
-The Lions returned -to Lancaster Park in Christchurch...	0:25:37	0:25:41
-..where Canterbury had welcomed -them so warmly a few weeks earlier.	0:25:41	0:25:46
-They conceded an early try -to the All Blacks...	0:25:46	0:25:49
-..but the Lions hit back -with the best try of the series...	0:25:49	0:25:53
-..JPR, Mike Gibson -and Gerald Davies combining.	0:25:53	0:25:56
-But the All Blacks -were hell-bent on revenge.	0:25:57	0:26:01
-Again, a high kick from Burgess.	0:26:02	0:26:06
-I'd like to know, on average...	0:26:06	0:26:08
-..how many times -a fly-half in New Zealand...	0:26:08	0:26:12
-..kicks this ball -high up into the air.	0:26:12	0:26:15
-The New Zealand forwards proved -too big and strong for the Lions.	0:26:17	0:26:21
-They won the game 22-12, -and the series was tied.	0:26:22	0:26:26
-At the time, we thought we were -mentally attuned for this match.	0:26:39	0:26:43
-But in retrospect, -I don't think we really were.	0:26:43	0:26:47
-New Zealand -won the second test easily.	0:26:47	0:26:50
-Five tries to two.	0:26:50	0:26:52
-But Carwyn James apparently -left the grandstand at the end...	0:26:52	0:26:56
-..after the Lions had lost, -with a smile on his face...	0:26:57	0:27:00
-..and told the players -that they would win the series.	0:27:00	0:27:04
-He certainly had a plan.	0:27:06	0:27:08
-When he left the first -training session in Eastbourne...	0:27:08	0:27:14
-..before flying to New Zealand, -he had a plan.	0:27:15	0:27:18
-But he was also -sharp enough to know...	0:27:18	0:27:21
-..that he had -to leave the door open...	0:27:21	0:27:24
-..to react to what he saw -after getting to New Zealand.	0:27:24	0:27:27
-That was a part -of his wise thinking.	0:27:28	0:27:31
-He didn't go there -with a closed mind.	0:27:31	0:27:34
-The Lions had lost -for the first time on the tour.	0:27:34	0:27:39
-All Blacks fans firmly believed...	0:27:39	0:27:41
-..that they had broken -the Lions' spirit.	0:27:42	0:27:44
-For the 1971 Lions, -the crucial game was approaching.	0:27:45	0:27:49
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-If Carwyn did have a plan -to beat the All Blacks...	0:27:58	0:28:01
-..there was one vital part -to the strategy...	0:28:01	0:28:04
-..that was beyond the control -of even the man from Cefneithin.	0:28:04	0:28:09
-Carwyn's style of play required -a dry ball and a hard pitch...	0:28:09	0:28:13
-..a rare combination -during the New Zealand winter.	0:28:13	0:28:17
-But the winter of 1971 was unusual.	0:28:18	0:28:22
-The Lions didn't encounter any rain -until they got to Hawke's Bay.	0:28:22	0:28:27
-After this game, the sun shone -until the end of the tour.	0:28:27	0:28:31
-They say of 1971...	0:28:32	0:28:34
-..that it hardly rained -while the Lions were there.	0:28:34	0:28:39
-In a country where the rain -barely stops in winter...	0:28:39	0:28:44
-..that's quite astonishing.	0:28:44	0:28:46
-It helped enormously.	0:28:48	0:28:50
-A dry ball, -good for handling, good for running.	0:28:50	0:28:54
-Good for everything.	0:28:55	0:28:56
-I think it was unusual...	0:28:56	0:28:58
-..for New Zealand -to have such good weather...	0:28:58	0:29:01
-..for the length -of our particular tour.	0:29:01	0:29:03
-We were very fortunate, -from our point of view...	0:29:04	0:29:07
-..that the weather was -uncharacteristically mild and dry.	0:29:07	0:29:11
-It suited our type of play.	0:29:12	0:29:13
-It didn't suit -the All Blacks' style...	0:29:14	0:29:17
-..which was still -forward-orientated.	0:29:17	0:29:20
-Yes, we were very lucky.	0:29:20	0:29:22
-I think a lot -can be down to preparation...	0:29:22	0:29:26
-..but, particularly to beat the -All Blacks, you need luck as well.	0:29:26	0:29:30
-Heavy rain fell in Wellington -in the week before the third test.	0:29:31	0:29:37
-But once again, things turned -suddenly to the Lions' advantage.	0:29:37	0:29:41
-The sun came out...	0:29:41	0:29:43
-..and Wellington's famous winds -dried the pitch before the game.	0:29:43	0:29:47
-Carwyn contacted -a local weather station...	0:29:47	0:29:50
-..barely 15 minutes before kick-off -to get the latest news.	0:29:51	0:29:54
-The wind would blow strongly -and die down for the second half.	0:29:56	0:30:00
-The tactics were simple.	0:30:00	0:30:02
-Use the wind -to score early points...	0:30:02	0:30:05
-..then defend the advantage -in the second half.	0:30:06	0:30:09
-Again, Willie John -wins the line-out.	0:30:09	0:30:12
-Barry meant to kick, -but moves the ball out.	0:30:12	0:30:15
-Gerald Davies beating his man. -What a thrilling runner he is.	0:30:15	0:30:20
-The chip ahead -is taken by the wing.	0:30:20	0:30:22
-What a tackle by John Taylor.	0:30:23	0:30:25
-They're looking for the ruck -situation. In they go.	0:30:25	0:30:28
-Back it comes, -David Duckham to Barry.	0:30:29	0:30:31
-He's got plenty of time -to put that ball over.	0:30:31	0:30:34
-That's the first score to us, 3-0.	0:30:34	0:30:37
-For 20 minutes, -the Lions were at their best.	0:30:37	0:30:40
-Gareth Edwards shone.	0:30:41	0:30:44
-Remember the hand-off on Burgess and -Barry John scoring under the posts?	0:30:44	0:30:49
-Gerald Davies -sneaking into the corner.	0:30:50	0:30:52
-Gareth on the blind-side, -and Gerald is over.	0:30:53	0:30:56
-The Lions led 13-0 -in less than 20 minutes.	0:30:57	0:31:01
-They wouldn't add to that tally -for the rest of the game.	0:31:02	0:31:06
-But despite relentless pressure...	0:31:19	0:31:21
-..the All Blacks -could only muster one try.	0:31:21	0:31:25
-Carwyn had a few secrets as a coach.	0:31:25	0:31:28
-One of them...	0:31:28	0:31:30
-..and maybe the main one...	0:31:30	0:31:32
-..is knowing that you can win -before you set foot on the field.	0:31:32	0:31:38
-When I wrote Carwyn's biography, -every player I spoke to said that.	0:31:39	0:31:44
-Willie John McBride, Slattery, -Delme Thomas, Barry John, whoever.	0:31:45	0:31:50
-They all said -that Carwyn's secret...	0:31:50	0:31:53
-..was to make you believe, -before you set foot on the pitch...	0:31:53	0:31:57
-..that you could win.	0:31:57	0:31:59
-Before 1971, the Lions had only ever -won two test matches in New Zealand.	0:32:02	0:32:07
-Now, Carwyn's Lions -had won two in two months...	0:32:07	0:32:10
-..and there was a golden opportunity -to win a series for the first time.	0:32:11	0:32:15
-He's the best rugby brain -I ever played under.	0:32:16	0:32:19
-He was not only -a fantastic student of the game...	0:32:19	0:32:23
-..but he was -an amateur psychologist as well.	0:32:23	0:32:26
-He would...	0:32:26	0:32:27
-It was great for me -because I was a very hard trainer.	0:32:28	0:32:31
-I'd be banned from training -on a Monday...	0:32:31	0:32:34
-..because I was -injuring our own players.	0:32:34	0:32:37
-Some of the lazier players, -shall I say...	0:32:37	0:32:40
-..would have to train twice -on Monday.	0:32:40	0:32:43
-Everyone was treated differently, -and that was a great success.	0:32:43	0:32:47
-We normally had Sunday off, -as a travelling day.	0:32:47	0:32:50
-On Monday, we did have a heavy -training session, quite physical.	0:32:51	0:32:55
-There were times when our backs...	0:32:55	0:32:57
-..were playing soccer, and appeared -to be enjoying themselves...	0:32:58	0:33:03
-..while we'd be scrummaging -up against the scrummaging machine.	0:33:04	0:33:08
-It seemed a bit unfair.	0:33:08	0:33:10
-But Carwyn knew what was going on -and how the players would respond.	0:33:10	0:33:15
-People like Barry were -hugely skilful and very fit anyway.	0:33:15	0:33:20
-He just enjoyed being out there -with a soccer ball...	0:33:20	0:33:24
-..kicking the ball about -and having fun.	0:33:24	0:33:27
-The Lions completed their -undefeated provincial campaign...	0:33:32	0:33:36
-..with a hard-fought 20-14 win -over Bay of Plenty in Tauranga.	0:33:36	0:33:41
-Once again, -the wisdom of Carwyn's refusal...	0:33:41	0:33:44
-..for Mr Murphy to referee -the tests became clear.	0:33:45	0:33:48
-Chris Rea makes the break, -gives it to Alastair Biggar...	0:33:51	0:33:55
-..and he goes over the line.	0:33:55	0:33:57
-That try would have been awarded -here, but not in New Zealand.	0:33:57	0:34:00
-Not from Mr Pat Murphy.	0:34:00	0:34:02
-As the end of the tour approached...	0:34:04	0:34:06
-..Carwyn was determined -that thoughts of going home...	0:34:06	0:34:10
-..wouldn't distract the players -from the huge challenge facing them.	0:34:10	0:34:14
-He knew -that the players were with him.	0:34:15	0:34:18
-They knew what to tell Carwyn.	0:34:19	0:34:21
-He learnt from them as well.	0:34:21	0:34:23
-That was one of Carwyn's strengths.	0:34:24	0:34:27
-He was willing to listen and use -the experience of the players.	0:34:27	0:34:33
-"Right then, boys, you've been -out here and played the All Blacks.	0:34:33	0:34:39
-"What do you think we have to do?"	0:34:40	0:34:42
-Carwyn James had realized -his ambition to coach the Lions.	0:34:44	0:34:48
-His faith in the squad's ability -to win the series was unwavering.	0:34:49	0:34:53
-The fateful hour had arrived.	0:34:53	0:34:55
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-The tired but united -and determined Lions...	0:35:05	0:35:08
-..were on the way to Auckland -for the final test.	0:35:09	0:35:12
-They led the series 2-1...	0:35:12	0:35:14
-..and a historic series win -was within reach.	0:35:15	0:35:18
-For the All Blacks, a tied series -would be disappointing.	0:35:18	0:35:22
-Losing the series -would be disastrous.	0:35:23	0:35:26
-Playing for the Lions was the -highest standard you could play at.	0:35:33	0:35:38
-New Zealand were the best team -in the world at that time.	0:35:38	0:35:43
-We knew that if we were -to beat New Zealand...	0:35:43	0:35:47
-..it would take a bigger effort...	0:35:47	0:35:51
-..than we would have to put in -against any other country.	0:35:51	0:35:56
-Carwyn, 2-1 up in the series.	0:35:58	0:36:00
-How did you feel at this time?	0:36:00	0:36:01
-How did you feel at this time? - -Very nervous, I must admit.	0:36:01	0:36:03
-There was an air of tension -about the fourth test, inevitably.	0:36:04	0:36:08
-We were 2-1 up and we felt -that the series could be ours.	0:36:09	0:36:12
-It's a genuine rugby country, -New Zealand.	0:36:13	0:36:16
-Always when you won against -whoever you played that day...	0:36:16	0:36:20
-..if it was a Tuesday -or a Wednesday game...	0:36:21	0:36:24
-..it was always, "Wait 'til you get -to Auckland or Wellington."	0:36:24	0:36:28
-There was always something -in wait for us, really.	0:36:28	0:36:31
-In the test series, -things got a bit more intense.	0:36:32	0:36:35
-First blood to New Zealand.	0:36:36	0:36:38
-A lot of people might have forgotten -or haven't seen it.	0:36:38	0:36:43
-Barry missed a penalty.	0:36:43	0:36:45
-All I can say is, it was easier -to kick it than to miss it.	0:36:46	0:36:50
-That happened in the game.	0:36:51	0:36:53
-That stunned us all.	0:36:54	0:36:55
-We all went, "Oh, well..."	0:36:55	0:36:57
-We knew that things -weren't quite going right.	0:36:57	0:37:01
-They got chances to score, -we got chances to score.	0:37:02	0:37:05
-By half-time, it was level at 8-8.	0:37:07	0:37:10
-The tension was clear on the faces -of the players and the crowd.	0:37:10	0:37:15
-Barry John kicked a penalty -straight after the restart.	0:37:15	0:37:19
-Minutes later, -the All Blacks scored a try.	0:37:19	0:37:22
-The score was tied once again.	0:37:22	0:37:24
-Mains misses the kick, -so it's 11-11.	0:37:27	0:37:31
-The test and the series -were in the balance.	0:37:31	0:37:34
-The crucial moment had come.	0:37:34	0:37:36
-On the way to the game, we were all -getting very nervous and homesick.	0:37:37	0:37:41
-We'd been away for a long time, -three and a half months.	0:37:41	0:37:44
-I could feel the tension in the bus.	0:37:45	0:37:47
-I stood up and said, "OK, boys, -today, I'm going to drop a goal!"	0:37:47	0:37:51
-He'd said that he was going -to kick a drop goal.	0:37:53	0:37:57
-No-one believed him, of course.	0:37:58	0:38:00
-JPR was an exceptional player...	0:38:02	0:38:07
-..but kicking -wasn't one of his strengths.	0:38:07	0:38:10
-I only ever dropped -three drop goals in my life.	0:38:11	0:38:14
-But I used to stay out -after training...	0:38:14	0:38:16
-..and catch the balls being kicked -by Barry John and Bob Hiller.	0:38:17	0:38:21
-When they'd finished -their training...	0:38:21	0:38:24
-..they told me to drop some goals, -so I had practised a bit.	0:38:24	0:38:28
-David Duckham threw the pass, -and the ball went behind me.	0:38:30	0:38:35
-When John caught the ball...	0:38:35	0:38:37
-..I remember saying, "What now? -Is JPR going to kick his drop goal?"	0:38:38	0:38:42
-I don't remember...	0:38:45	0:38:46
-..my exact words...	0:38:49	0:38:51
-..but it was something like...	0:38:51	0:38:53
-.."God, he's kicked it!"	0:38:54	0:38:57
-I couldn't believe it!	0:38:57	0:38:59
-Duckham throws it back wildly, -but it comes to John Williams.	0:39:00	0:39:04
-He tries a drop for goal.	0:39:04	0:39:06
-It's over!	0:39:07	0:39:08
-I knew it was there, and it was -still climbing as it went over!	0:39:08	0:39:12
-I turned to the reserves in the -crowd and said, "I told you so!"	0:39:12	0:39:16
-When JPR dropped that goal...	0:39:18	0:39:22
-..maybe that was how -it was meant to happen.	0:39:23	0:39:26
-That's it, the end of the game.	0:39:29	0:39:31
-Fourteen points each, -and the Lions win the series 2-1...	0:39:31	0:39:35
-..with one match drawn.	0:39:35	0:39:37
-Winning a series in New Zealand...	0:39:37	0:39:40
-..is something that I'm sure -is every rugby player's dream.	0:39:40	0:39:45
-I'm very proud -to be one of those players...	0:39:48	0:39:51
-..who did win -out there in New Zealand.	0:39:51	0:39:55
-Even today, -when 40 years have gone by...	0:39:55	0:39:59
-..since we won the series...	0:39:59	0:40:01
-..it's the only Lions team -to have done it.	0:40:01	0:40:06
-I remember turning to Gerald Davies.	0:40:06	0:40:09
-Gerald and I were big mates.	0:40:09	0:40:11
-We sat there, -almost too tired to get changed.	0:40:11	0:40:14
-I turned to Gerald...	0:40:15	0:40:17
-I was trying to think -how I should feel.	0:40:18	0:40:21
-I said, "Do you know what?"	0:40:21	0:40:23
-"We've won."	0:40:24	0:40:25
-And Gerald said, "Yes. So what?"	0:40:29	0:40:33
-No big deal, you know.	0:40:37	0:40:39
-We didn't know -how we were supposed to feel.	0:40:40	0:40:43
-Carwyn did realize -what they had achieved...	0:40:45	0:40:49
-..at the end of the final test.	0:40:49	0:40:52
-He knew that they had won -the first series ever...	0:40:52	0:40:56
-..against New Zealand.	0:40:56	0:40:58
-He knew that.	0:40:58	0:40:59
-He knew his history...	0:40:59	0:41:01
-..including his rugby history, -well enough.	0:41:02	0:41:05
-He knew exactly -what he had achieved.	0:41:05	0:41:08
-I don't think he realized...	0:41:08	0:41:11
-..the magnitude of the success -off the field.	0:41:11	0:41:15
-I don't think he realized the -magnitude of his personal success...	0:41:15	0:41:20
-..and how that success -would affect him personally.	0:41:21	0:41:24
-The squad was on the way home, -but one leading Lion stayed behind.	0:41:27	0:41:32
-JPR Williams -stayed in New Zealand...	0:41:33	0:41:35
-..and saw how the country came to -terms with the new rugby order.	0:41:35	0:41:40
-The New Zealand public didn't -believe that they could have lost.	0:41:40	0:41:44
-I was wined and dined everywhere...	0:41:44	0:41:47
-..but they still didn't believe -that they'd lost.	0:41:47	0:41:50
-It took a month to sink in, -and it was the same with me.	0:41:50	0:41:53
-I did not realize the magnitude -of what we'd done.	0:41:53	0:41:56
-We didn't know the history.	0:41:56	0:41:59
-We knew about the fanaticism...	0:41:59	0:42:02
-..of rugby in New Zealand.	0:42:02	0:42:04
-But I think probably halfway -through my three months out there...	0:42:05	0:42:09
-..I realized, "Wow, we have -achieved something here."	0:42:09	0:42:13
-No-one expected us to do well.	0:42:15	0:42:17
-They certainly didn't expect us -to win out there.	0:42:17	0:42:20
-I think they were all surprised...	0:42:21	0:42:23
-..that this particular -British Lions team won.	0:42:23	0:42:26
-I think when they sat down -at the end of the tour...	0:42:27	0:42:30
-..and realized -they had lost the test series...	0:42:30	0:42:33
-..they simply said, -in New Zealand style...	0:42:33	0:42:37
-..now we've got some work to do.	0:42:37	0:42:39
-No rugby team -had received such a welcome.	0:42:42	0:42:46
-The Lions flew to New Zealand -as rugby players of the amateur age.	0:42:46	0:42:52
-They came home as sports stars.	0:42:52	0:42:54
-Now, they were famous people.	0:42:55	0:42:57
-For players like -Gareth Edwards, Derek Quinnell...	0:42:58	0:43:01
-..Gerald Davies and JPR Williams, -it was the start of a decade...	0:43:02	0:43:06
-..as key players -in Welsh rugby's golden age.	0:43:07	0:43:10
-The Lions' success in New Zealand...	0:43:10	0:43:13
-..was pivotal -to what happened in Wales...	0:43:14	0:43:17
-..as regards -how the game should be played...	0:43:18	0:43:22
-..and the developments in coaching.	0:43:22	0:43:26
-Throughout the 1970s, -Wales were at the forefront...	0:43:27	0:43:32
-..in the process of influencing -how other countries played the game.	0:43:32	0:43:38
-There's no doubt -that the rugby the Lions played...	0:43:38	0:43:42
-..under Carwyn James in 1971...	0:43:42	0:43:44
-..influenced not only the way -rugby was played in Wales...	0:43:44	0:43:49
-..but also across Britain -and the world.	0:43:49	0:43:53
-But Welsh rugby's golden age -went on without the Cefneithin duo.	0:43:54	0:43:58
-The 1971 tour was a turning point -for the whole squad.	0:43:59	0:44:02
-But for one man more than any, -the attention was endless.	0:44:02	0:44:06
-Barry John was crowned -as the king in New Zealand.	0:44:08	0:44:11
-The pressure on him was such -that he retired within a year.	0:44:12	0:44:16
-Indeed, the memorable 1971 tour...	0:44:17	0:44:20
-..had an inescapable effect -on the drama's two main characters.	0:44:20	0:44:25
-Without a shadow of a doubt...	0:44:26	0:44:29
-..the 1971 tour had a big effect...	0:44:29	0:44:32
-..on both Barry John -and Carwyn James.	0:44:32	0:44:36
-Less than a year later, -Barry John had retired from rugby.	0:44:37	0:44:41
-Carwyn carried on...	0:44:42	0:44:44
-..but what happened, -and dealing with what happened...	0:44:45	0:44:48
-..was the beginning of the end -for him as well.	0:44:48	0:44:51
-I think things started to go wrong -when he came back from New Zealand.	0:44:52	0:44:57
-He had to cope with success, -with the effects of success...	0:44:57	0:45:02
-..and the results of success, -and he couldn't do it.	0:45:02	0:45:05
-He was too private a man, -too nice, and he couldn't say no.	0:45:06	0:45:10
-It's a heartbreaking thing -to say, actually...	0:45:11	0:45:14
-..that two geniuses...	0:45:14	0:45:16
-..who were, a cliche but true, -ahead of their time...	0:45:16	0:45:20
-..didn't fit in -with the structure...	0:45:20	0:45:25
-..or the proper context -at the time...	0:45:26	0:45:28
-..for them to be able -to carry on as individuals.	0:45:29	0:45:32
-How much harder is it out there?	0:45:34	0:45:37
-Well...	0:45:38	0:45:39
-..as has been said, it's more -or less a religion in New Zealand.	0:45:40	0:45:44
-This is one of the things -they do well.	0:45:44	0:45:48
-They realize that they are -at the top of the world in rugby.	0:45:48	0:45:52
-So, when they lose, -it's a huge tragedy for them.	0:45:52	0:45:55
-My fear is -that some of their coaches...	0:45:56	0:45:59
-..will lose ground, -lose their jobs and so on.	0:45:59	0:46:03
-They do have strong self-belief -where rugby is concerned.	0:46:03	0:46:07
-Their rugby is always good.	0:46:07	0:46:09
-I hope that no-one in Wales, -when they come over next year...	0:46:09	0:46:13
-..expects it to be easy, -because it won't be.	0:46:13	0:46:15
-They'll have an exceptional team -and we'll have to be at our best.	0:46:16	0:46:20
-There is no doubt at all...	0:46:20	0:46:23
-..that the fact that the All Blacks -lost the series on the 1971 tour...	0:46:23	0:46:29
-..completely changed their mindset.	0:46:29	0:46:33
-After seeing the Lions play -so many games out in New Zealand...	0:46:33	0:46:37
-..they realized that they had -to play fifteen-man rugby.	0:46:37	0:46:41
-It may well be true...	0:46:42	0:46:43
-..that Carwyn Jones had a bigger -influence on New Zealand rugby...	0:46:43	0:46:48
-..than he did -on rugby in Britain and Ireland.	0:46:49	0:46:52
-Did Carwyn improve rugby here?	0:46:52	0:46:54
-Maybe so, but he certainly did -in New Zealand.	0:46:55	0:46:58
-Since then, -I think we've progressed.	0:46:59	0:47:01
-I don't know if we've lost -to the Lions since then.	0:47:01	0:47:04
-So, thank you, Carwyn and John, -for setting that base.	0:47:05	0:47:09
-I knew it was going to be -an incredible experience.	0:47:12	0:47:16
-But I must admit, to this day...	0:47:16	0:47:20
-..I find it hard to believe -that we actually did it.	0:47:20	0:47:26
-That's what it meant at that time.	0:47:26	0:47:29
-To this day, -I look back and think...	0:47:29	0:47:32
-..was I dreaming?	0:47:33	0:47:35
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