Beti George: Colli David

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-Beti George cared for her partner

-David Parry-Jones for eight years.

-David suffered

-from Alzheimer's disease.

-While caring for David...

-..Beti campaigned

-for a better status for carers.

-David died in April 2017.

-But Beti's campaign continues.

-I'm certain in my mind

-that I'm doing the right thing.

-I won't be telling people

-today what I'm going to do.

-Instead, I'll be asking them

-what needs doing.

-Right.

-If I'd tried to fight for provision

-for my mother in her own language...

-..it would have been the end of me.

-I know that.

-In terms of support services

-for you as a carer...

-..where are they?

-I could ask you that.

-I wonder what will happen

-if the same thing happens to me.

-Emrys has me to take care of him.

-I'm glad I can do that.

-Do you think about the future?

-Do you think about the future?

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-Yes. I'm afraid of the future.

-I'm afraid.

-People have already asked me

-if I'll carry on campaigning.

-Some have asked whether I'll still

-have the drive to campaign...

-..after David's death.

-At the moment, I feel

-more determined than ever.

-Things really need to change.

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-The emptiness is terrible.

-That chair is empty.

-The house is empty.

-It's a big house.

-It's so quiet.

-He would sit there.

-He'd fall asleep and he'd snore!

-It was some sort of comfort

-at the time.

-Sometimes I would escape

-to the kitchen...

-..to have a cuppa on my own.

-I'd read the paper or something.

-Within about ten minutes,

-I'd hear "Bet! Bet!"

-I'd have to go back

-to keep him company.

-The place felt full.

-It's all gone. It's empty.

-My friends have been tremendous.

-I didn't realize

-I had so many friends.

-And of course, the family.

-Iestyn has, well...

-..he's grown up.

-My baby.

-He's been...

-I can't thank him enough.

-He was David until the very end.

-I felt so angry

-when one social worker said...

-.."But you lost him years ago."

-I hadn't lost him at all.

-He was still there to the very end.

-He went in to the hospice.

-The hospice was what everyone

-should have when they're ill.

-It was clean. It was so comfortable.

-It was such a warm place.

-The staff were fantastic.

-Hi!

-How are you?

-How are you?

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-OK.

-Eurgh... yes.

-I've had a bad week actually.

-For some reason

-but that's what they tell me.

-It's up and down, up and down.

-You couldn't wish for better care.

-He would sit in his chair.

-They would get him up

-and he would look out.

-There were big windows

-with a view over to Somerset.

-He could see people walking below.

-He loved it.

-Because he loved seeing people

-walking with their dogs.

-He would get very excited

-if he saw a dog.

-Or kids, you know. Dogs and kids.

-He was getting so excited when he...

-He did smile at the odd rugby song.

-I tried my best!

-Just a few times. Singing.

-I'd prepared for so many things.

-We could have turned the lounge

-into a bedroom if we'd needed to.

-He could have looked out

-at the garden.

-But he went quickly in the end.

-His brothers had been to see him...

-..and he was quite well

-when they were there.

-By Saturday, I could see

-that he wasn't quite as well.

-On Sunday, he wasn't responding.

-He died on Monday morning.

-It was a shock.

-I've got a present for you.

-I've been collecting money

-from friends.

-You gave me a list

-of things that you need.

-So I don't know. What do you need?

-Because I have a cheque for 2,000.

-So, there you are.

-Thank you very much.

-That's very kind.

-That's very kind.

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-Thank you.

-Baited breath.

-The crossbar!

-There's the try.

-Roy Bergiers is the happy man.

-Dear friends, if you can take

-your seats. We're about to start.

-Find out where you're sitting.

-I felt I needed to hold an evening

-to remember David.

-At this event at the club in Cardiff

-everyone will be remembering him.

-But also, the campaign continues.

-All the money raised on the night...

-..will go towards dementia research.

-Thank you so much to all of you

-for coming tonight.

-It's an evening to remember David.

-But it's also a chance

-to share memories.

-I think there'll be

-quite a bit of nostalgia...

-..going around tonight.

-It's bound to be a lively night.

-David wouldn't have wanted it

-any other way.

-His life was all about having fun.

-Selling then at 325 for the

-All Blacks World Cup winning ball.

-325.

-We have an auction

-of valuable objects.

-People have been so generous.

-Dinner, bed and breakfast at the

-Harbourmaster in Aberaeron. 125.

-125 in front here.

-150 from Jan.

-275 I'm bid. At 275. 300.

-Ruth's in again.

-300 I'm bid from Ruth Jones.

-325. He's in, sir.

-At 325, he's in.

-325 I'm bid. Closing at 325.

-Thank you, sir. It's yours.

-Wonderful.

-The Centre for Ageing and Dementia

-Research at Swansea University.

-What a wonderful cause that is.

-Players had respect for him

-and they trusted him.

-They didn't mind David

-interviewing them.

-They knew he was straight-talking.

-He was a rugby man

-through and through.

-Last Friday, I was in Blaenau

-rugby club. I get all the best gigs.

-We were reminiscing on a Q&A session

-and to a man, they all said...

-.."David Parry-Jones was the

-soundtrack to our lives in rugby."

-He was the man,

-he was the voice in 1972...

-..which was the launch

-of Max here's career.

-That was DPJ. Unmistakably DPJ.

-He was the one we all aspired to be.

-We were never going to sound

-like Bill McLaren, were we?

-It's clear from the buzz

-that people are enjoying themselves.

-I have to thank people

-like Phil Steele...

-..who's just been doing

-the auction - he was fantastic.

-Eddie Butler and Alan Wilkins too.

-I can relax somewhat now.

-But I'll feel better tomorrow.

-I think she's probably

-looking around her.

-Or at least I hope she is.

-There are about 150 people

-here tonight.

-They've come to support her...

-..to remember David

-and to support the cause.

-How many people from all over Wales

-couldn't be here tonight...

-..but feel the same

-for the cause that she supports?

-I don't think

-there's a solution really.

-It's about increasing awareness...

-..and raising money,

-like we're doing tonight.

-My David Parry-Jones coat.

-I still have it.

-I saw DPJ wearing the coat...

-..and I thought to myself

-I'd like to have one.

-Grandstand phoned me. Wales were

-playing England at the Arms' Park.

-I decided I had to buy a coat.

-Frank Bough

-was going to interview me.

-I had to buy a coat.

-So there I was on the halfway line

-talking to Frank Bough.

-The crowd starting singing Hymns

-and Arias for the first time ever.

-I phoned my mother and asked

-if she'd seen Grandstand.

-I asked what she thought and she

-said, "Your coat looked lovely."

-Before he died in April, in the

-Marie Curie Hospice in Penarth...

-..we'd show him Max at Treorchy

-on the iPad.

-He would still smile and appreciate.

-So, Max, thank you so much

-for being here tonight.

-And yes, David would have enjoyed

-being with us here. Thank you.

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-I'm preparing for tonight,

-which is going to be a big night.

-There's a big conference in Swansea.

-It's the British Society

-of Gerontology conference.

-They study and work with

-the elderly.

-This is a UK-wide conference.

-What am I going to tell them?

-Good evening. It's a real honour

-to be here tonight.

-If someone had told me 10 years ago

-I'd be guest of honour here...

-..I'd have said "You're bonkers".

-It's an honour to be honest because

-it's obviously very important.

-We will have already eaten.

-I'm speaking

-between the dinner and the dessert.

-I'm only speaking

-for five to seven minutes.

-To be honest, that's more of

-a challenge. I have so much to say.

-Older people don't have rights.

-We need to campaign

-to give them rights.

-Yes, yes.

-People are more interested nowadays.

-People agree with me.

-I think what they appreciate is that

-you stand up and speak in public.

-Not everyone feels

-they are able to do that.

-That's why I consider myself

-to be the voice of people out there.

-There are thousands of people

-in Wales without a voice.

-If somebody had told me

-ten years ago...

-..that I'd be the guest of honour...

-..with the British Society

-of Gerontology...

-..I would have said,

-"You're bonkers".

-But then, a year later,

-dementia struck.

-And my life and world

-were turned upside down.

-And I started to rant.

-But then, it has been proven that

-ranting is better for the digestion.

-Every three seconds, someone

-in the world develops dementia.

-One in three people over 65

-will die with a form of dementia.

-In Wales, there are over 45,000

-currently living with dementia.

-55,000 by 2021.

-Statistics go on and on.

-What I want to see is action.

-Now - before the huge wave

-overtakes us.

-I feel that policy makers

-are like rabbits...

-..caught in the headlights

-of a car.

-They don't really know

-how to cope with this...

-..and it's been called the most

-discriminated against disease.

-Dismissed as social

-rather than medical.

-Social carers for people with

-dementia must be given respect...

-..and professional status...

-..and paid not 7.50 an hour

-but a decent living wage.

-It's one of

-the most difficult jobs going.

-The only people who get it are

-those who've been through it 24/7.

-Thank you for listening.

-And now you can enjoy your pudding.

-Thank you.

-It's an audience of 350

-academic gerontologists...

-..practitioners, policy makers.

-They're involved with these issues

-day in and day out.

-I've never seen a standing ovation

-at one of our dinners before.

-People realize that I'm campaigning

-for better dementia care.

-I receive many letters in the post.

-One of them came from John Phillips.

-He used to be Chief Executive

-of Dyfed County Council.

-Jenkins was a Unitarian...

-..but basically

-he was a very religious man.

-His wife, Bethan,

-is the author of many books...

-..but she now has Alzheimer's.

-She started showing symptoms...

-..of being a little scatty

-and forgetful.

-I've attended three church services

-today...

-..and listened to two sermons.

-During the years that followed, I

-was more or less a full-time carer.

-DOORBELL

-Bethan now lives in a care home.

-The carers there are very good.

-Many of them are from Poland.

-They must be worried.

-They're worried about

-what will happen in future.

-I go to see Bethan twice a week.

-She can't talk and she can't walk.

-She can't eat solids.

-I sit with her. Sometimes

-there'll be a hint of a smile.

-But she won't say anything.

-With dementia, you're not sure

-what her brain is registering.

-It sounds as if Bethan

-needs intensive nursing care.

-Yes, in the opinion of anyone

-trying to interpret the term...

-..continuing healthcare.

-But it's not that simple.

-They've drawn up

-about twelve guidelines.

-When you're assessed,

-you go through each one.

-You have to achieve a high score

-in enough different elements.

-For example,

-she's unable to feed herself.

-Right, let me tell you about that.

-I thought that would mean she would

-get a high score for nutrition.

-But no, she hasn't lost

-enough weight yet.

-Right?

-I've been told that if Bethan

-was more aggressive...

-..that might benefit us.

-How can a person who is unable to

-express herself or do anything...

-..be aggressive?

-The other thing of concern...

-..in case people think

-that only wealthy people pay.

-People should understand that

-anyone with assets over 24,000...

-..including the value of your home,

-has to pay.

-That means most people.

-And you're not poor.

-I'm not poor.

-I have enough information

-to know about the system.

-But it's a matter of principle.

-Some people would be in danger

-of losing their home.

-Losing everything.

-For example,

-someone might want to decide...

-..to leave their home

-to their children.

-If the council can prove...

-..that they did that

-to avoid paying...

-..they are still able

-to go after it.

-Politicians have to start

-taking this issue seriously.

-This will be a big problem

-in the future.

-Where are the politicians

-who are willing to raise the issue?

-Jenkins was a deep thinker

-and a contemplative man.

-Having intelligence

-and creativity...

-..do not mean

-you'll avoid dementia.

-It can happen to anyone.

-Dementia.

-"Under the clouds, sunshine lingers

-"A smile is trapped in the tears

-"The passion of past summers

-"Comes to mind, then disappears"

-I have to sign in here.

-What's my name?

-A week. Which isn't much.

-A week. Which isn't much.

-

-No.

-This interview tonight

-is a sort of advert...

-..for the meetings

-taking place in the Eisteddfod.

-I know there are so many people out

-there in the same situation as me.

-I hope they come to speak to me.

-The world has changed for me.

-But it's there all the time.

-It's wonderful to welcome

-broadcaster Beti George...

-..and singer Casi Wyn to the studio.

-You're using the National Eisteddfod

-as a platform next week.

-What exactly is the appeal?

-Do you want people who are going

-through to come to see you?

-Yes, because I know that they are

-going through the same experience.

-I want them to come to speak to me.

-How do Welsh people respond

-generally?

-We're reluctant to talk, aren't we?

-We don't want cause a fuss.

-We don't want to complain.

-But if we don't complain...

-Well, it's not really complaining.

-We're just demonstrating

-that things need to change.

-Unless we discuss this matter...

-..and tell the authorities

-that they must do something...

-..nothing is going to change.

-I can't change things alone.

-Beti, thank you very much for coming

-and good luck next week.

-It's good to have the opportunity

-to tell people about next week.

-Heno has

-quite a good viewing audience.

-I hope people will have seen it.

-I hope people will come.

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-Carers for people with dementia

-often feel they are alone.

-I felt like that sometimes.

-I could spend hours...

-..trying to persuade him

-to go to bed.

-It wasn't easy, it wasn't easy to...

-He wanted to keep his dignity.

-It wasn't easy for me to take off

-his trousers and so on.

-I've been reading quite a bit

-about what's happening in Scotland.

-The impression I get

-- I don't know if this is right...

-..is that they're way ahead

-of the situation in Wales.

-I went to Scotland last year.

-I managed to get some idea...

-..of what people with dementia

-have to deal with.

-It's the sensory deprivation

-we hear about.

-They lose every ability

-to understand things.

-In Scotland,

-they're addressing these issues.

-During the exercise,

-you'll be in that room...

-..and you'll have been asked

-to complete a range of tasks.

-What's important for us...

-..is that any time you feel that

-you've had enough that you say stop.

-Everything will stop.

-OK.

-If you could put these in your shoes

-please.

-I'm just wondering how they know...

-..that this is what happens

-to people with dementia.

-I can't see anything now.

-What am I supposed to do?

-Ooh. As if there's water bubbling

-somewhere or other.

-Well, I don't understand.

-I don't remember what she told me.

-There was so much noise in my ears.

-More noise in my ears.

-I heard something fall.

-There are people talking

-in the background.

-Well, that's not. I can't.

-What about the scarf?

-Now I understand. I'm like Cyclops.

-I can only see through one eye.

-OK. Stop.

-OK. Stop.

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-What was that like for you?

-Exhausting actually.

-I feel so tired.

-Things didn't happen

-in the right sequence.

-The last thing

-you were asked to do...

-..was put on your coat and gloves

-and leave the room.

-You actually put these on

-quite early...

-..which then made all the other

-tasks really difficult to do.

-You were trying to do them

-with a pair of mitts on.

-That's a very common experience

-for people to lose the thread...

-..in terms of the sequence

-of doing something.

-Whether that's getting dressed,

-getting ready to go out...

-..making a cup of tea.

-If you break it down, there's quite

-a lot to the everyday things we do.

-In 2007, the government here...

-..made dementia a priority.

-One thing that's interesting...

-..is that they appoint

-what they call a link worker.

-You're the link worker.

-Linked to Helen.

-When Helen's husband

-went along to the memory clinic...

-..to get his diagnosis.

-Post-diagnostic support

-would have been discussed...

-..with Helen and her husband.

-I almost guide them through the year

-following the diagnosis.

-They just take quality time

-to listen to how I'm doing.

-How are you today?

-It's Tuesday at the Eisteddfod.

-Every day I've been here...

-..so many people have stopped me

-to say thank you.

-They tell me they appreciate

-what I'm trying to do so much.

-Obviously there are people out there

-who are suffering.

-They just say the services

-are not what they should be.

-Talking to people.

-Talking to people.

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-People come to me. I hope.

-Carers. Most of them are women.

-Come to talk to me.

-Many people who are carers

-have told me...

-..they would like

-one place to phone.

-You could tell them what you want

-to know and they would find out...

-..and phone you back later that day

-to give you the information.

-That's not how it works.

-In Scotland, they have

-what they call link workers.

-Yes. In Scotland they're spoilt.

-Well, not spoilt because everyone

-should receive that kind of service.

-In Wales, we're so far behind that.

-I don't think the government

-really understands this illness.

-Lynwen and Nain.

-Nain lost her husband recently.

-How difficult was it?

-In my mind, no-one could take

-my place and do what I was doing.

-Or not as well as me maybe.

-I was tired but we managed...

-..in our life within the house.

-What we found useful...

-..was the Alzheimer's Society

-dementia helpline.

-If there was anything not quite

-right, we'd send a little email.

-But what would be more helpful...

-..rather than having someone

-on the other end of a screen...

-..would be to have someone

-like a one-to-one support worker...

-..like they have in Scotland.

-It's a 24-hour job.

-He might get up at night and he

-won't remember where the toilet is.

-He doesn't answer the phone.

-If someone calls round, he prefers

-not to answer the door...

-..in case he doesn't know them.

-Our friends

-understand the situation.

-My friends and family

-are very supportive.

-Aren't you lucky?

-I'm very lucky of that.

-Otherwise I wouldn't be here today.

-This is my holiday. The same thing

-happened in Abergavenny last year.

-That's what happens

-more often than not.

-They feel they are alone

-and don't know where to turn.

-I'd like someone to come in

-and tell me what they can offer.

-They could start tomorrow!

-But there was nothing.

-This is us on our wedding day.

-Wow.

-In Alltwen chapel.

-He hasn't changed much.

-I've changed completely.

-This is him with our grandson.

-He loves Joshua. He's changed now.

-He hasn't got much patience

-with children now.

-He hasn't got much patience

-with anyone.

-He's 81 this month.

-Some days, he thinks he's 40.

-Another day he thinks he's 90.

-It's funny.

-It's hard, I have to say.

-The old Rhodri has been replaced

-by someone else...

-..and it's like having a child.

-You have to remind yourself

-that he's your husband.

-Some people, because they see

-a smile on my face...

-..they think there's nothing wrong.

-But I could cry some days.

-Sometimes I think I could put him

-in a room and lock him in.

-But I wouldn't do it. I try my best

-to take him wherever I go.

-I'm his kingpin.

-He looks for me.

-I get up from the chair

-and he asks where I'm going.

-I say I'm going to the toilet.

-He asks why!

-And you just think

-what's wrong with him!

-But it's so difficult to believe

-that he's the same man.

-Mam was the heart and soul

-of the family.

-She asked me how the boys were.

-I don't have children.

-That's the day I realized.

-I kept talking to her but burst into

-tears when I put the phone down.

-I realized my life had changed.

-From that second on.

-I had to start looking after her.

-The most difficult thing for us...

-..was when Mam realized

-she was forgetting things.

-That was awful.

-If I had tried to fight

-for provision for Mam in Welsh...

-..it would have been the end of me.

-I know that.

-There was no understanding

-of her human rights per se...

-..let alone linguistic rights.

-When he was in hospital,

-he had wonderful care.

-The nurses did fantastic work.

-But it was as if they didn't

-quite understand the condition.

-It was little things.

-At home,

-if he didn't want to eat lunch...

-..at the same time as everyone else,

-the food was left on the table.

-It would just be a sandwich

-or something.

-You'd hear his little feet shuffling

-towards the kitchen later to eat it.

-In hospital, if you don't eat

-between 12 and 1, the food is gone.

-So he didn't eat

-when he was in hospital.

-Little things like that.

-You can't deny that doctors

-and nurses do their best...

-..for the patients.

-But personally, I think they need

-to be much more flexible.

-What is needed to support carers?

-They need to stop paying

-for Trident.

-They need to stop paying for wars.

-They need to open out the cake

-properly.

-They then need to distribute

-the cake more sensibly to Wales.

-They need to stop the ridiculous

-bureaucratic walls...

-..between health and education.

-They need to invest

-in proper resources.

-That has to change.

-It's just crumbs left

-and the crumbs are diminishing.

-Do you think about the future?

-Do you think about the future?

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-Yes. I'm afraid of the future.

-I'm afraid.

-I don't want to think

-about the future.

-The future.

-The future scares me.

-I'd prefer if he had a heart attack

-and went in his sleep...

-..than continue on this journey.

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-I'm glad I came to Samos.

-I wasn't sure.

-I've arrived today.

-It's the day after his birthday.

-I decided to travel on his birthday.

-The idea was I would be

-concentrating on something else...

-..rather than him and his birthday.

-It's a second home to me.

-It was a second home to us.

-It's odd to come here without him.

-I have very mixed feelings.

-I see David in everything I see.

-David would want me to come anyway.

-Beti! Beti!

-Vaso has lost Prepos, her husband.

-That was some years ago.

-As Vaso said, Prepos and David will

-be having fun somewhere together!

-They are so warm. I'm one of them.

-I'm family, as they say!

-Meeting Vaso again after all these

-years was a fabulous experience.

-There's such a warm welcome.

-Nafsika is Vaso's sister.

-She's also a very good friend.

-She says I'm a member of the family.

-I'm their sister.

-They loved David as well.

-I'll see at the end of my stay

-whether I feel it was worth coming.

-I wasn't sure

-if it was a sensible thing to do.

-So soon after losing David.

-I find comfort in the fact

-that I managed to look after him...

-..and that he did appreciate

-what I was trying to do.

-Also that he was able

-to stay at home...

-..until the end.

-There you are. Good.

-Will I continue to campaign

-after David dies?

-At the moment, I feel

-more determined than ever.

-Come on then.

-When David was diagnosed...

-..no-one really knew

-much about dementia.

-People hadn't really heard much

-about dementia and Alzheimer's.

-Now, I can't think of anyone

-who hasn't heard of this disease.

-The people I spoke to

-at the Eisteddfod.

-People like Eirlys,

-Gaynor and Megan.

-Their experiences

-were heartbreaking.

-It's very common. Those are

-the experiences people have.

-There are people

-who get in touch regularly.

-I have very strong views.

-Our politicians must listen.

-You hear them saying there have been

-developments in cancer care.

-And I think that's great. But!

-They must also now turn

-their attention to dementia.

-They must find the sort of care

-provided to people with cancer.

-I've come to the Senedd

-this evening.

-I'm here to meet the Members.

-I hope they turn up.

-I want them to hear

-people's experiences.

-There is always talk.

-It's never-ending.

-But nothing seems to be done

-about it.

-I don't feel nervous at all.

-I'm very glad that one member

-in particular, Eluned Morgan...

-..is very supportive

-of what I'm trying to do.

-..for a long time.

-I'm particularly glad

-to see the Minister...

-..responsible for ensuring

-that we do more for carers.

-Welcome, Huw.

-First of all, I'd like to welcome

-Beti George to the stage.

-Thank you very much for all the work

-you've done over the years.

-Thank you, Eluned.

-Why am I here?

-Why am I still preaching about

-the need for better dementia care...

-..and more support for carers?

-I often ask myself

-the same question.

-To be honest,

-it's too late for David and me.

-But speaking to people

-at the Eisteddfod...

-..who are going through the same

-experience made me want to carry on.

-The truth is that many

-of today's Assembly Members...

-..will suffer from dementia one day.

-I don't think they'd be happy

-with the current care services.

-It is a national disgrace that

-sufferers are so badly treated...

-..in the lack of support given to

-those who love and care for them.

-One consistent theme that came out

-of my chats at the Eisteddfod...

-..was "once the diagnosis was given,

-we were sent home to get on with it.

-"We had no idea who to turn to."

-What they all want is a key worker

-to be linked with them...

-..right from the beginning.

-And stay with them right to the end.

-With a little bit of reorganization

-and goodwill...

-..this could get off the ground

-right now.

-Let's do something.

-Let's get cracking.

-And now, I'd like you to watch

-a very short film...

-..that includes clips of people

-I spoke to at the Eisteddfod.

-You rightly remind us, Beti.

-We must talk about dementia more.

-We must also do more.

-We need to act more

-as well as talking about it.

-It's interesting that the government

-is doing something now.

-There are several things

-we're doing now.

-For example, imminently we are

-launching a Carers' Strategy.

-Carers are not just valued

-but are invaluable.

-If they were replaced with

-front line professional workers...

-..I think it would break the bank.

-I noticed in the video it mentioned

-the aspect of the fear...

-..of certain people over the impact

-on them of what will be...

-..their only asset going forward,

-which is normally their home.

-Of course, only this week we signed

-off the commitment in April...

-..to lift that limit to 40,000

-not 24,000.

-Thank you, Beti, for raising

-the prominence of this issue...

-..and reminding us of some

-of the practical impacts...

-..on people's lives

-that this brings.

-And of the urgency of dealing

-with this within government.

-Keep on making it uncomfortable

-for us.

-That's what will drive change.

-It's 100,000 in two years.

-He can afford it, as he says,

-but it's the principle.

-The Minister, Huw Irranca-Davies,

-was there. He was keen to listen.

-I think I got the message through.

-He told me to carry on battling.

-But there's so much work

-still to be done.

-Now, what I remember is him,

-the pleasure of caring for him...

-..and the smile.

-They say that the grief never goes.

-It never disappears.

-I think we spent some of our

-happiest moments together...

-..on this island.

-We were both under pressure

-in our chosen careers.

-I'd come home really tired.

-David as well, of course.

-But here, we were very close.

-Very often,

-we'd ask, "Do we have to go back?"

-Of course, we had to.

-The sunset here

-is the best you could see...

-..anywhere in the world.

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