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"where the abuse of women has often

been accepted and normalised."

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Now on BBC News, it's Inside Out.

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We track down the online crooks.

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I'm not buying

a passport off you mate

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because I work for the BBC,

and I want to know why you're...

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selling stolen passports,

mate, why are you

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doing it?

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No more nursing bursaries.

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So how will it affect

this year's students?

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Hello, what's your name, sir.

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His name is Tom.

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They are learning practical

skills of nursing

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in our hospital, that

means that they are

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paying the privilege

of

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working in our NHS.

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And I promise we'll meet

the Muslim scouts of

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Gillingham.

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I promise.

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We formed the Muslim Scout groups

because we can cater

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for their religious

and cultural needs.

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I'm Natalie Graham with untold

stories closer to home.

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This is inside out.

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Hello and welcome to the programme

which this week comes to you

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from the Medway towns.

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First tonight what do

you look for in the

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classified ads?

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Furniture perhaps or a new car?

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Well Jonathan Gibson has been

sniffing around here in Chatham

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as he investigates one online site

where the criminals are looking for

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more than a bargain.

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As an investigative journalist,

it is sometimes easier to work

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when the office is nice and quiet.

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When people are not watching

what you are doing.

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Like investigating the dark web.

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If you are looking for something

illegal, it is the go-to part

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of the internet which is hidden

from prying eyes.

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The place where criminals

use encrypted websites

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and virtual currencies to trade.

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Trade?

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You don't need to

bother with all that.

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You are wasting your

time with that, mate.

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Sorry?

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You can get all that on Craigslist.

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I'll show you.

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Shouldn't you be getting on...

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I've got ten minutes.

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Brilliant.

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Log on.

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Yeah, Craigslist.

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It was setup in America

by a guy called Craig.

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It is a website where people

buy and sell everything

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and I mean everything.

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Just say where you live

and get started.

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Lots of the stuff on Craigslist

will not be in your local newspaper,

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including bootleg tobacco.

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The kind of thing you usually buy

from a dodgy geezer outside

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a pub or in this case

a supermarket car park.

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I have literally just started.

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They're knocked off then?

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Yes.

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They are packed but they cannot

resell them in shops anymore.

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Where did you get them?

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I have no idea.

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OK.

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He is just a middleman,

he says his supplier

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is someone else on Craigslist.

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I've seen some crazy

stuff on Craiglist!

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So have I.

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That is why I have come

to another car park,

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ready for another dodgy deal.

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This is counterfeit?

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Yes.

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That's why his tobacco is a third

of the price of the real stuff.

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Do you smoke it yourself?

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Yeah.

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Can you tell the difference?

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No, I can't.

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There is a difference

because counterfeit goods are among

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the things Craigslist says you're

not supposed to sell on its website.

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It is illegal.

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But no one takes any notice of that.

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Do you mind?

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But he has a point, look at this.

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It is as easy to find

marijuana on Craigslist

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as it is a second-hand sofa.

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And you might need a seat

as what I am buying next

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could knock you off your feet.

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I am on a Derby estate

to meet Stephen, selling

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cocaine on Craigslist.

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How are you?

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Cheers.

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The deal done in seconds

but is it the real deal?

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It turns out as street cocaine

goes, it is pure stuff.

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What is it doing on Craigslist?

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I am shocked.

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It is not difficult.

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An internet company allows elements

on to their website.

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But if you have made money from

crime, you would not want the police

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to find it so you need

someone to hide it, perhaps

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in their bank account.

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It is called money laundering

but where would I find

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someone to do that?

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On a street corner,

I am meeting Stacey.

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She is offering her bank account

on Craigslist to anyone

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who wants to use it.

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But we are walking into the bank

to pay in what I told her

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is money got from crime.

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She would charge me a fee to get it

back and there are plenty of people

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on Craigslist who will

do the same thing.

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Sometimes through

overseas bank accounts.

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If you send your money overseas,

how'd you get it back?

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What you need is a new identity

or better still somebody's else's.

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You again.

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I know where you can get it.

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Don't say it.

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HE MOUTHS.

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Craigslist.

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The place where I can find a stolen

passport at Chatham in Kent.

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And there are plenty more

where that came from.

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I've known some stories where it

has taken people ten

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years to get their credit

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rating back again after it has

been trashed by people

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who stole their identity but it

will allow you to get

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on and commit other crimes.

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It is not just about selling stuff,

there are adverts for a postman

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to steal the letters

they are supposed to be delivering.

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And on Craigslist there's

also disorganised crime.

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This man wants somebody to pass his

driving theory test for him.

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What is the deal?

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I go in and take the test?

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For 50 quid, it is not

that black and white.

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For a start he is black and I am

white, surely someone will notice.

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They will check your photo

against a database.

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There is no point.

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When I later revealed

I was a journalist,

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he had nothing to say.

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Neither did Craigslist.

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In fact, when I asked

for an interview, this

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is what it told us.

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That came from the top,

the chief executive's office.

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They are making money and whilst no

one is forcing them to try

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and change what is going on,

they are running sites like this

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using the ostrich effect,

sticking their heads in the sand.

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No wonder criminals can

carry on regardless,

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unless they are reselling

to a journalist.

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If you turn around

and face the camera.

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I would like to know why

you are offering to sell...

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I'm trying to get out of debt.

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My mother is going to kill me.

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He is not the only one thinking

about his relatives.

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So why are you doing it?

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I am trying to make

money for my family.

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At least they are talking.

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Take a good look at my cocaine

dealer because he is

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not around for long.

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I work for the BBC and we are

trying to find out why

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you are peddling cocaine.

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Why is that?

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Well, he wasn't hanging about.

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And Stacey, will she want to talk?

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I'm trying to find out why

you are willing to launder money

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for people, why you are doing that,

Stacey?

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You knew it was risky,

would you like to explain?

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I've got nothing to say to you.

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Just like my passport

thief here in Kent.

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I'm not buying a passport off

you because I work for the BBC.

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I want to know why you are

selling stolen passports?

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Why are you selling

stolen passports?

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What's the plan?

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Is that your mate who's got it?

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There is organised crime

sitting behind everything.

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It is critical that the police

or the law enforcement agencies

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force the likes of Craigslist

to do something about it.

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So what is the government doing?

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When we asked to interview

a minister, the Home Office said...

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We have kind of done

that for them already.

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Told you.

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So maybe it's time the government

forced websites like Craigslist

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to clean up their act.

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Jonathan Gibson reporting. Coming up

on Inside Out. We meet the Muslim

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Scouts of killing.

As skirts we are

all worldwide family with big hearts

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and it's about including people in

the community from all backgrounds

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and faiths and to see so many Muslim

Scouts is wonderful.

This month new

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student nurses have started their

causes but one thing is different

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this year, bursaries have been

scrapped. So what difference will it

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make to the students and to the NHS?

Airway is clear, he is breathing.

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Shot coming.

It is the start of the

busy academic year at Canterbury

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Christ Church University.

Hello,

what's your name Sir.

His name is

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Tom.

But vizier for the first time

many health care students will pay

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for their own training. -- this

year. Until August this year many on

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health care courses like nursing

could apply for an NHS bursary.

That

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was funded by the Department of

Health, by the government, so they

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did not take out alone and they

didn't have to pay their tuition but

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they were allowed this small bursary

to help them with some of their

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living costs.

Doctors and nurses

unite and fight!

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CHANTING

But this year it was scrapped.

We've

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come out as a body of junior doctors

in support of our nursing colleagues

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because we see this as a time that

the NHS health care staff need to

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stand together.

If you want to study

a health care professional like

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nursing, midwifery or occupational

therapy you are treated like any

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other student. You have to go

through the same system of fees and

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loans as if you are studying English

or history or French. Recently we

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have seen worrying headlines about

staff shortages in our health

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service. First time on record we've

seen more nurses leaving the

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profession than joining and with the

number of nurses starting training

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and down this autumn the Royal

College of Nursing says we should

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help and not hinder those who want

to train.

Student nurses spend at

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least 50% of their time in practice,

so as part of the education they are

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learning the practical skills of

nursing in our hospitals, in our

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communities, in our care homes, and

therefore providing a service. That

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means they are paying for the

privilege of working in our NHS and

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other areas.

The average age of the

student nurse is 29. That means they

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are likely to have gained much more

life experience before starting the

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course.

That was my dad when he took

me on my first holiday to Disneyland

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Paris and he decided it was a good

idea to dress as Minnie mouse the

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whole holiday! I've got this one of

me and my dad, I think it was

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someone's birthday, I was pinching

his beer, that was a good night. And

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this one is the last photo I have of

me and my dad.

Emily lost her father

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this year after a long illness.

We

woke up and found my dad on the sofa

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and he'd just been released from

hospital on the Friday of this was

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the Monday.

While looking after him

she discovered a hidden talent.

It's

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all because of looking after my dad,

and everything that we went through

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with him, I kind of realised I was

good at what I did, I was good and

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caring for people. And I could

relate to what they were going

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through. And it kind of made me

realise I wanted to be a nurse.

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Emily had hoped to start a nursing

degree in Kent this autumn but says

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she doesn't want to be saddled with

huge debts by the end of the course.

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I found out they were cutting these

bursaries and it will be hard for me

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to train to do the job and if I

needed two add have to pay for it. I

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quickly realised I didn't have

anyone who could help me and I

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couldn't afford to leave work to

study and pay for it because they

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live on my own. I don't live with

family. I can't live with family.

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And I've got all my bills and

everything associated with that to

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pay for.

We also need more nurses.

Earlier this month at the

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Conservative Party conference Health

Secretary Jeremy Hunt stood by the

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government 's decision to scrap

training bursaries.

We are backing

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the biggest expansion of nurse

training in the history of the NHS.

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The thinking behind these plans is

to enable universities to create

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extra training places and to provide

students with more financial support

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in the form of a loan. We did ask

the Department of Health for an

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interview. This is what they said.

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But the Royal College of Nursing

says that government hasn't thought

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about students who don't want to

take out a loan to cover the cost of

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their degree.

We are not attracting

those people who don't want to take

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out a student loan. And nursing is a

specific thing. It is a profession

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that you need to be committed to.

It's not just about having the right

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grade of A-level.

The government has

introduced alternative routes into

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the profession such as nursing

apprenticeships. But the RCN says

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this is just a cost-cutting

exercise.

While apprenticeships are

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under the model and with nothing

against apprenticeships, it's only

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shifting the cost to the employers

which is our hospitals and the rest

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of the NHS. In fact there is an

argument that the current method of

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training as a nurse is already an

apprenticeship model.

Canterbury

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Christ Church University is the

biggest public service provider in

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the south-east, providing local NHS

trusts -- NHS trusts with most of

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their stuff. What do they think of

the changes.

The amount of money

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available to students from September

20 17th is 25% extra what the

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students on the NHS bursaries scheme

is so we see this as a positive way

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to support students in the future.

Although application numbers were

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lower this year she says it's

nothing to worry about.

This is

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reflecting what happened several

years ago when fees were introduced

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for the wider student population and

history tells us that over time, we

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will have an increase, and certainly

in our University we are planning to

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increase our student numbers over

the next five years. So I'm feeling

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very positive about this going

forward.

Training nurses and other

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health care professionals in false

time and money. When patient demand

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is rising, time and money are both

resources the NHS has little of. So

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let's hope the new plans to work and

people like Emily can find a way to

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get their dream job.

It's kind of my

driving force for wanting to be a

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nurse and going from there, and

hopefully I will make him proud.

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They are known for leather while

gulls, for bracing outdoor

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activities and for always being

prepared. But one Scout group is

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unique in the south-east. Emma

Thomas explains why.

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All about new challenges. But these

are not just any scouts, they are

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Muslims goats and are making history

as the first and only Scout group in

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Kent and Sussex.

I like it because I

get to learn new life skills.

How is

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this group different from any other?

The Scouting movement was set up

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more than 100 years ago by Robert

Baden Powell. He was the son of an

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Anglican priest. At the time,

England was an overwhelmingly

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Christian country so he designed the

swearing in ceremony to pledge

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allegiance to a Christian God.

Obviously for this group it will be

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different.

OK, guys, we are going to

invest Zara today.

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Today, Zara is being invested.

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That means she is officially joining

the Scouts.

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I promise to do my best.

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To do my best for Alain and the

country in which I live.

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At the start of each meeting,

the children say a prayer

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to Allah and raise the flag.

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Can you come and do the flag part

please?

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I like doing flag thing.

Altogether

now, I promise... A rite of passage

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that might not have been possible

without this group and now that Zara

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is in she doesn't want to leave.

I

like it, I want to stay.

The leaders

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started the group, he is a leader

but it has helped him realise a

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childhood dream as well. His parents

wouldn't let him join the Scouts

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because they did not understand what

Scouting was.

I formed the group

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because the parents were not aware

of Scouting as such.

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I wanted the children to benefit

from the things Scouting brings,

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so I formed the Muslim Scout group

so we cater for their religious

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and cultural needs.

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Which a normal Scout group might not

be able to do.

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Any child can join this group,

whatever their faith.

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All Scout groups welcome everybody.

Today the children are doing a major

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bag, standard Scouting activity that

also helps them learn about their

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faith.

It tells the children we need

to protect wildlife and care for the

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Earth and its resources. We are

taught that we are custodians of

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this planet, it is not ours, so

there's the link with Islam but

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otherwise the activity is just the

same as any other group would run.

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Shahid is a teacher and one of the

proud parents glad to have this

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group. He never got the chance to be

in the Scouts and he didn't want his

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daughter to miss out.

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Why were your parents reluctant for

you to join the Scouts?

Think

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primarily they didn't know anything

about it. I think they felt it was

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something that perhaps Muslims

didn't do, so they didn't want to

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find out. Because they had no real

concept of what it was about. Is

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group pretty much mirrors scudding

nationally.

Seven girls here who

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outnumber the boys come in the UK

there are more girls joining the

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scouts than boys. This mother sends

two of her daughters here, she says

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it is important to help them become

strong confident women. What do your

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girls get out of coming here?

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This group is an opportunity

for the girls to break free of

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the stereotypes society

imposes on them.

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Of being able to do certain things

or not being able to do certain

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Things. To realise they can do all

the things the boys do. This way

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they can feel confident and know

that the world is their oyster.

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A big day on the scudding calendar,

Scouting groups from countries

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around the world are meeting at the

Kent Showground for their big fun

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get-together, a jamboree. And I am

about to meet perhaps the most

0:23:380:23:47

famous Scout of all. The adventurer

Bear Grylls 's helicopter has just

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landed. Hello, nice to meet you.

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As scouts, we are a big

worldwide family.

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Big arms, big hearts.

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It is about including people

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in the community from all sorts of

different backgrounds and faiths. We

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do that well and we are proud of

that. And to see so many Muslims

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groups growing is wonderful.

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People from all backgrounds,

nationalities and faiths.

Where are

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you from?

From Barry.

I nobody quite

well.

While they hear the scouts

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take part the tradition. They tied

the friendship not, they take the

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negative and they put it on the

other person and then they can take

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it away with them and that is the

French and not we are going to do

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today. So just not the scarves, one

at a time -- it's the friendship

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knot.

How old are you?

Ten, nearly

11.

Soon it's time for the ceremony,

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the Welsh scouts are ready to hand

over their official scarf. Back at

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the ceremony, Zara is about to

become a fully fledged Scout. To

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help other people...

To help other

people and to keep the cub scout

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law.

Now you are an official member

of this group. She's looking forward

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to many more exciting adventures

ahead.

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That's it from us tonight from the

Medway towns. Thank you for

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watching. See you next week.

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