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From James Bond to Spooks, the fictional world of espionage

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is a world of danger and deception, glamour and lies.

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But what is spying really like?

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For the first time on television, serving members of Britain's

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intelligence services talk about life as a modern spy.

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The risks are very, very real here.

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When we're deploying under a different identity,

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it is quite nerve wracking.

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In this series, we probe the secrets of spycraft.

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The sleeper cell.

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-The honey trap.

-It plays to an ego of an older guy.

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She's probably not in your league when she sits next to you in a bar

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and then the pillow talk causes a leak of significant information.

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The Brush Pass. And working undercover.

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You have to be a sort of a, what I like to call Mr Grey.

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A person you might pass on the street,

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but you'd forget him in a second.

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And increasingly today, the Cut Out and the Cyber Spy.

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We're up against the cream of the crop.

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It's a chess game with deadly consequences.

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JAMES BOND THEME PLAYS

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Espionage has always been a secret and shadowy world.

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For decades, the British government didn't even acknowledge

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its spy agencies existed.

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Instead, our image of spying is conditioned by movies and thrillers.

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It's presented as a world of uncontrolled macho

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secret agents with license to kill.

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You've still got your gloves on.

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Powerful and sinister organisations -

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a law unto themselves.

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HE GASPS

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But now, for the first time,

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serving British spies have been allowed to talk about their work.

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For security reasons, they can't discuss specific operations

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and, of course, their identities are disguised.

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So what's it like being a modern spy?

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Michael works for MI6 - the Secret Intelligence Service or SIS.

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Only my very close family know that I work for SIS. With everyone else,

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I have to adopt a cover of working for another

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government department and to make that sound as dull as possible.

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Emma works for the Security Service, MI5.

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She investigates suspected Al-Qaeda networks.

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It's difficult constantly maintaining cover with

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your close friends and your close family. You are living a lie

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and that is hard and it's difficult not to be able to share

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the successes of the work you've done with people outside work.

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Shami is an MI5 surveillance officer.

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You're constantly trying to avoid talking about work.

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I'm having to constantly to think about what I'm going to say

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and what I'm going to talk about, so it's quite difficult sometimes.

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-Now they...

-And now they've looked you up again.

-Yes.

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You great nit!

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This was the image of spying projected by a British

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government propaganda film 50 years ago.

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He's a highly sophisticated operator.

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Nikolai Alexandrevitz Popov.

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One or two of you know him already.

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The rest of you, take a good look at these.

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He's to have the full treatment.

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If you run into any difficulties, break off.

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If anything happens to alert Popov,

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I'll personally brain the lot of you.

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During the Cold War with Russia, Britain's spies were

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recruited from the upper classes - part of an old boy network

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centred around Oxbridge colleges.

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But that was yesterday.

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I guess there's this perception that

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people have a kind of a tap on the shoulder and, you know,

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-it's their tutors at University.

-But it's no longer like that.

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No longer like that at all. We have a very open website now,

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you can apply through that website.

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'SIS works secretly overseas to make the UK safer and more prosperous.

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'We obtain secret foreign intelligence

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'to inform government decisions...'

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The world is now very different

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and Britain's intelligence agencies have had to adapt.

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They now use the press and the internet to advertise for recruits.

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Have you thought about working for MI5?

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Open talent spotting like this would have been unthinkable

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only a few years ago.

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We're always looking to recruit people with a diverse

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range of skills and backgrounds.

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This new world of spying was born on September 11th, 2001.

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9/11 revealed a new enemy - often home grown,

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Muslim and mainly working class.

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And that meant there was a need for a new kind of spy -

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someone like Shami, who'd never been to University.

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My impression of MI5 is you had to be an Oxbridge graduate

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or something. I just felt that I'd nothing to offer.

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But MI5 recruiters thought differently.

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They both stood up and put their hands out and said,

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"Congratulations! Welcome to the Service!" Yeah, and shook my hand.

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I couldn't believe it at first. I was sort of taking it in.

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I was almost going to ask them, "Are you sure?"

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What do you want?

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Drazen. Drazen?

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He knows he can't get the money. Senator!

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No!

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9/11 produced a new television image of espionage -

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with nightmare scenarios.

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In America, "24", and in Britain, "Spooks".

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So names, sources, runners - everything you've got.

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A world where any amount of violence

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and torture are justifiable in defence of your country.

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-Oh, dear. Oh, dear.

-Let her go! I'll give you what you want!

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SHE SCREAMS

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What was your mother's reaction

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when you told her you were going to work for MI5?

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My mother was rather horrified. She'd watched Spooks

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and her initial reaction was,

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"Oh, my goodness, you're going to end up

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"with your head in a fat fryer!"

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And have you?

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No, I haven't. MI5, working as an intelligence officer is really

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quite different from life in Spooks. My job is largely desk-based.

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So unfortunately, I'm not running around the streets of London

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chasing terrorists, being nearly blown up every other week.

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In the real world, Britain's intelligence services operate

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under strict political control.

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The Foreign Secretary is ultimately in charge of MI6

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and the Government's eavesdropping centre - GCHQ.

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The Home Secretary is responsible for MI5.

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Together, the agencies employ more than 10,000 people,

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with an annual budget of more than £2 billion.

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We are a unique government department, because every day,

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we are making decisions which affect the safety and security

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of people who are putting their lives on the line for us.

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Our working hours can change instantly.

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The mission is a constant but every day is different. What I do

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is important - yet no one will ever know.

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In America, the CIA makes glossy, Hollywood-style commercials

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to attract new recruits.

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But new secret agents might be slightly disappointed.

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...CIA's National Clandestine Service.

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They think it's more like the movies, Mission Impossible,

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that they're going to be jumping out of cars

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and that everyone carries a weapon.

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My workplace could be anywhere.

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I must always be ready.

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-Yet I can't tell my friends what I do.

-We have to kind of give them

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that reality. Yes, we're collecting human intelligence,

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but we don't all drive fast cars, you know?

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You're going to be writing reports, you're in meetings, so it's not

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always that glamorous image of, you know, what you see in the movies.

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If James Bond actually worked in MI6 today,

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he'd spend a large amount of time behind a desk doing paperwork.

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and making sure everything was properly cleared and authorised.

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And he certainly wouldn't be the lone wolf of the films.

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The Big Screen has made us all familiar with the language of

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spying - from "Spooks" and "Moles" to "Codenames" and "Sources".

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-Smiley is suspicious, Percy.

-Where did it come from? What's the access?

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-A new secret source of mine.

-But how could he possibly have access?

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He has access to the most sensitive levels of policy-making.

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We've named the operation, "Witchcraft".

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So how does the modern spycraft of today compare to the fiction?

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At the core of intelligence gathering is that priceless asset,

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the source.

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America's domestic intelligence service, the Federal Bureau

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of Investigation, has a century of history in running human sources.

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The more I'm in this business, the more I believe that sources

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and wires are absolutely essential to address espionage,

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address terrorism and the like.

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It's adapting that long history of using sources

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and wires to the threats of today that has been the challenge.

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If you love America, and if you are interested,

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I can present a unique opportunity for you.

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At its Academy in Quantico, Virginia, the FBI use

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role playing to train special agents in turning and recruiting sources.

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Do you want me to...get information?

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I want you to hang out with the same people you've hung out with

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in the past, do the same things you've always done,

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but just under direction from us.

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If I do what you're asking,

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-what about these charges?

-I can't promise you anything,

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but I want to help you out in every way I can,

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but I want you to help me in every way YOU can.

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It's a give and take relationship.

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You cannot replace a human source.

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You might be able to listen to a portion of a phone call or

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see a portion of an email, but being able to put a human being inside

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a cell really does give you

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both what is being said, the mindset,

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the mentality, helps you better understand other people that might

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be involved in a network that you simply wouldn't see any other way.

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Just like the FBI, recruiting and running

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human sources is central to the work of British intelligence,

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often far afield in Al-Qaeda's heartlands.

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Now for the first time on television, an MI6 officer

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talks about how it's done.

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When you're in some dusty outpost about to meet

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for the first time a contact within a terrorist organisation

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that you've brokered,

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-that is nerve-wracking.

-Heart in mouth?

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Yes, inevitably. I don't think we'd get very far if we were timid

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-and risk averse.

-How do you recruit a source?

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We'll start with a targeting process, understand who

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the key figures are, understand the connections between them.

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Leading from that would be an assessment of

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whether we think any individuals there might be recruitable.

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Could we get alongside them? Are they accessible?

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Would they have access to information that would be

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useful to the government?

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Why should they want to become agents working for you?

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There are a whole spectrum of motivations.

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A lot of the agents that I've run were motivated

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because they disagreed with the violent ideology of Al-Qaeda.

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They disagreed, for example, with attacks against civilians.

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A lot of these people want to better their own life, so money, a future

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life in the UK might be things that they're interested in.

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It's really the job of our officers to understand what those

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motivations are and to persuade people to work with us.

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One of the most important sources in the entire so-called

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war on terror turned out to be a young American Muslim.

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In Pakistan, just a month after 9/11,

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he openly boasted to a television camera.

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We will kill them in Afghanistan.

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There is no negotiation with the Americans when they are coming in

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with the mindset to kill my Muslim brothers and sisters.

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I will do the same on the frontline.

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I will kill every American I see in Afghanistan.

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Mohammed Babar had helped set up

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a terrorist training camp in Pakistan,

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attended by many British would-be jihadis.

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One of them was Kazi Rahman from East London.

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The Muslims from Britain, there's hundreds of them

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who come over from Britain to Pakistan or Afghanistan.

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What we do is we supply them with weapons, clothing,

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we feed them, we shelter them.

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And we take them over the border and train them up.

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Two and a half years after those interviews,

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Mohammed Babar flew back home to New York.

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Remarkably, even this fiercely committed jihadi could be

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induced to become a human source.

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Over six months, he told the FBI everything.

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What he'd done, who he'd trained with in Pakistan

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and the attacks they were planning.

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Mohammed Babar was to prove a human source

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that intelligence services dream of.

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He was critical. He's an individual who had both the access

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and the capability to get into groups that simply would not

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have existed without him.

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Babar talked because he was offered a deal known as a plea bargain.

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In return for a much shorter sentence, he agreed to cooperate

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and reveal everything.

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Instead of a life sentence, he served just five years

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and is now a free man.

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This could not have happened in Britain,

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because of fears that sources like Babar could fabricate evidence

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in the hope of a shorter sentence.

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-Do you think the UK would benefit from doing the same?

-I do.

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If they had access to the information

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in the heads of the numbers,

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those numbers of persons who have been arrested over

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a period of time as to where they went for their training,

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whether it be Pakistan or someplace else, who was

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involved in the training, what other plots were in train that would be

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of benefit to those agencies to have to access to that intelligence.

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Mohammed Babar's evidence helped identify a whole

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series of terrorists.

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One of them was Kazi Rahman, the British jihadi

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whom Babar had met at the training camp in Pakistan.

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I can't wait for the day that I meet British soldiers

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on the battlefield and to see them run. I am very happy to kill them.

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By 2005, Rahman was back in Britain and intelligence indicated

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he was an imminent threat.

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MI5 and the Metropolitan Police prepared to catch him red-handed.

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Any operation such as this begins with the bread and butter

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of spycraft - surveillance.

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It can build a detailed picture of a target's life, their routines,

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their associates and their intentions.

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Do you have any hesitation about spying on the lives of others?

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No, not at all.

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I know why I'm doing it. I'm trying to prevent something

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major occurring which could lead on to loss of life, you know,

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-so that's, that's my biggest motivation.

-What's it like

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when you're doing surveillance, how do you feel?

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Excited. You feel a lot of pressure as well,

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cos you understand the task at hand and how serious it is.

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And you're thinking about any potential hazards or dangers

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that might pose a threat to yourself.

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When you're out there, how do you think of yourself?

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You have to be what I like to call "Mr Grey."

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He's a nobody, he's a person you might pass on the street

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but you'd forget him in a second.

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Surveillance is labour intensive, often involving dozens of officers

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working shifts round the clock, just to shadow one target.

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-What's your biggest fear?

-Missing it.

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Missing a vital bit of information.

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Something that will go on to causing loss of life.

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That's a big fear of mine.

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We have thick smoke coming from the tunnel.

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I need to clear now Russell Square!

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MI5 missed the 7/7 London bombers, and 52 people died.

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In the wake of that horrific day, it was more urgent than ever to

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catch the British jihadi, Kazi Rahman.

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MI5 decided to try and catch Rahman in an undercover operation,

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known as the sting.

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The plan was for undercover officers to meet with Rahman to discover

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if he was planning attacks.

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Spies of the Old School would have seemed out of place

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in this kind of operation.

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These officers were all British Asians.

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It's highly dangerous territory to put yourself into a terrorist group.

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I mean, that's an act of great bravery in itself.

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An MI5 officer wired for secret recording, posed as a criminal

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dealing in counterfeit money and false passports.

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-Rahman made it clear he wanted much more.

-What else can you provide?

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Rahman indicated a handgun using sign language and then an AK 47.

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At a motorway service station in the south of England,

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the undercover officer arranged for Rahman to meet an arms dealer.

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But the dealer was spy number two, this time

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from the Metropolitan Police.

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I need three Uzis with silencers, magazines

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and 3,000 rounds of ammunition.

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Very worrying. You don't need machine guns,

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unless you want to kill a lot of people.

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Over a month, the undercover officers gradually

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gained Rahman's confidence. He paid a deposit for the guns.

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He then upped the stakes and asked for rocket propelled grenades

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-and surface to air missiles.

-I want RPGs and SAM-7s.

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After four months, the trap was ready.

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The setting was a quiet cul de sac just off a main road

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in Hertfordshire.

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A third undercover officer was tasked with closing the deal.

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And he showed Rahman three Uzis with silencers wrapped in plastic.

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At the very moment Rahman got his hands on the guns,

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he became suspicious.

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Look, I'm really not happy here. This looks like a sting.

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ARMED POLICE! STAY WHERE YOU ARE!

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But it was too late. Armed police moved in and Rahman was arrested.

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My first reaction when I heard that he'd been arrested was

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relief that it had been achieved safely.

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A potentially hugely dangerous terrorist was now behind bars.

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Rahman had been stung.

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The evidence of the FBI's super source, Mohammed Babar,

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was essential.

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Rahman was convicted and sentenced to nine years.

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A potential atrocity had been prevented.

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What gives you the greatest satisfaction in what you do?

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The arrest of the individuals that we've gone up against,

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that's a great satisfaction,

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that we've disrupted anything that could have possibly occurred.

0:21:130:21:18

But in any operation, MI5 surveillance officers

0:21:180:21:21

on the ground are supported by a team of analysts back at base.

0:21:210:21:26

Their job is to sift through all the intelligence that comes in,

0:21:260:21:29

not only from surveillance, but also from intercepts,

0:21:290:21:32

agents and foreign services.

0:21:320:21:34

It's really like piecing together a jigsaw.

0:21:340:21:38

We're constantly asking ourselves the big question, which is,

0:21:380:21:41

"What is this network involved in?

0:21:410:21:44

"Is this an attack planning network or what do we know

0:21:440:21:47

"these individuals are actually doing?"

0:21:470:21:50

I believe your department has information on plans

0:21:510:21:54

for the Polaris mixed fleet.

0:21:540:21:55

-My boss had. I shouldn't have told you.

-Of course not. But you have!

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50 years ago, the dominant threat was Reds under the Bed.

0:22:020:22:07

The world has now changed beyond recognition.

0:22:090:22:12

But elements of Cold War spycraft are still in use.

0:22:140:22:18

And what's more, the West's old enemies are still out there.

0:22:180:22:24

In the years following 9/11, what the US government found itself

0:22:240:22:29

in need of doing urgently, was to retool our entire national

0:22:290:22:34

security apparatus to deal with the threat presented by Al-Qaeda.

0:22:340:22:37

And did counter-intelligence suffer?

0:22:370:22:40

I think there is no question there was a trade off in resources.

0:22:400:22:43

Counter intelligence is tracking down spies from foreign governments.

0:22:450:22:49

From the end of the Second World War,

0:22:490:22:51

the traditional enemy was Russia.

0:22:510:22:54

And it seems the KGB's successors simply

0:22:540:22:56

carried on where the KGB left off.

0:22:560:22:58

The break up of the former Soviet Union did not wipe away

0:23:020:23:07

the memories and the knowledge of how to work effectively against us.

0:23:070:23:11

I think the public would be surprised to know that we

0:23:110:23:14

still see intelligence officers posted to

0:23:140:23:17

the United States in the same numbers that we

0:23:170:23:20

saw during the height of the Cold War, so that has not diminished.

0:23:200:23:24

And the classic Cold War fear was Soviet spies living

0:23:250:23:30

under cover in our midst, awaiting Moscow's bidding.

0:23:300:23:33

It's known as the sleeper cell.

0:23:330:23:36

Montclair, New Jersey - the quintessential

0:23:410:23:44

prosperous New York suburb.

0:23:440:23:46

The last place you'd expect to find a spy ring.

0:23:460:23:49

For more than 15 years, Richard

0:23:550:23:57

and Cynthia Murphy appeared to be the perfect, all-American family.

0:23:570:24:01

The wife was always, you know, charming and pleasant

0:24:030:24:07

and a lovely smile.

0:24:070:24:08

They were a regular family that fit in with the other families here.

0:24:080:24:11

She was always making sure her front yard looked beautiful.

0:24:110:24:15

She was passionate about her gardening.

0:24:150:24:17

But Cynthia Murphy was actually part of a long term Russian

0:24:210:24:25

sleeper cell planted in the heart of America in the mid 1990s.

0:24:250:24:29

This is a long term assignment, the very concept of sleeper is

0:24:300:24:34

that they're activated when they need to be. They have a mission.

0:24:340:24:38

Here was a group of at least ten Russian spies who spent over

0:24:400:24:44

a decade quietly infiltrating influential policy circles.

0:24:440:24:48

Cynthia worked her way up to a top banking job in Downtown Manhattan.

0:24:480:24:53

Meanwhile, her husband ostensibly stayed at home looking after

0:24:550:24:59

the children, while secretly acting as an undercover

0:24:590:25:02

courier for his Russian handler.

0:25:020:25:04

But an FBI operation, codenamed Ghost Stories,

0:25:050:25:09

was just as elaborate and lasted ten years.

0:25:090:25:13

Surveillance videos recorded in detail the Russian cell's

0:25:130:25:16

well-honed spycraft.

0:25:160:25:18

The brush pass, where identical bags are swapped.

0:25:180:25:22

Inside could be documents, memory sticks or money.

0:25:220:25:25

And the dead drop,

0:25:270:25:29

a secret hiding place for thousands of dollars to fund the spy ring.

0:25:290:25:33

Most of the sleeper cell, like Cynthia Murphy,

0:25:370:25:39

were what's known as dead doubles.

0:25:390:25:42

Dead doubles are operatives who have stolen the identities of

0:25:430:25:46

dead infants who generally match their date of birth, so in this case

0:25:460:25:51

most of the Russian illegals were in fact dead doubles.

0:25:510:25:54

Walking, walking dead.

0:25:540:25:56

Creating a false identity is part of the stock in trade of spycraft.

0:25:570:26:01

It's known as creating a legend or alias.

0:26:010:26:05

It's quite nerve-wracking the first time you deploy under alias,

0:26:070:26:11

overseas, under a different name, under a different identity,

0:26:110:26:16

pretending to have a different kind of employment.

0:26:160:26:20

So there's a lot of preparatory work that you need to do to make

0:26:200:26:24

sure that you understand the person that you're supposed to be.

0:26:240:26:27

-You become somebody else.

-You become somebody else.

0:26:270:26:31

Spying is a never ending battle.

0:26:310:26:33

As soon as one technique is closed off, a new one is needed.

0:26:330:26:37

After 9/11, there was a huge increase in American security

0:26:370:26:41

and the Russians could no longer use false identities with impunity.

0:26:410:26:46

In 2006, the glamorous Russian spy Anna Chapman

0:26:460:26:50

moved to New York to join the sleeper cell.

0:26:500:26:52

But she was using her own name,

0:26:520:26:55

having once been married to a British citizen.

0:26:550:26:57

She was extremely savvy, very engaging, tremendous

0:26:580:27:01

interpersonal skills, very attractive young lady, very bright

0:27:010:27:05

young lady and trained in technology and covert communications.

0:27:050:27:10

A risk for any spy is to be seen meeting their handler.

0:27:120:27:16

So Chapman came equipped with a brand new

0:27:160:27:18

and ingenious technique to avoid face to face contact.

0:27:180:27:22

An encrypted wireless connection allowed a stream of data to

0:27:220:27:26

be sent to her handler waiting nearby.

0:27:260:27:29

There's a video that shows her shopping in New York City,

0:27:300:27:33

but she's doing far more than shopping.

0:27:330:27:35

As she shops, you'll also see her fiddling with something in a bag.

0:27:350:27:39

Well, she's fiddling with a laptop

0:27:390:27:41

and she's transmitting a message to a Russian official who's in close

0:27:410:27:46

proximity. He's not in the store but he's outside in the neighbourhood.

0:27:460:27:50

Every week, Chapman rendezvous-ed with her handler to

0:27:510:27:54

pass on her secret information.

0:27:540:27:56

But the FBI had broken Russian encryption

0:27:560:28:00

and reading the messages made them increasingly nervous.

0:28:000:28:04

We were becoming very concerned. They were getting close enough to

0:28:040:28:08

a sitting US cabinet member that we thought

0:28:080:28:12

we could no longer allow this to continue.

0:28:120:28:14

Who was the US Cabinet member?

0:28:140:28:16

Well, something that we've never publicly disclosed.

0:28:160:28:18

Was the Cabinet member warned?

0:28:180:28:20

Yes.

0:28:200:28:22

Having cracked the Russian encryption code, the FBI

0:28:270:28:32

could now send Anna Chapman messages and even pose as her new handler.

0:28:320:28:36

In June 2010, the FBI took the final and most audacious step -

0:28:380:28:44

arranging a face to face meeting with Chapman.

0:28:440:28:48

Tell me, how are you doing?

0:28:480:28:50

Everything is cool apart from the connection.

0:28:500:28:53

So convincing was the FBI undercover agent

0:28:530:28:56

that Anna Chapman literally turned over her

0:28:560:28:59

covert communication laptop to the FBI, which the undercover agent

0:28:590:29:03

was more than happy to take. Told the undercover agent

0:29:030:29:06

she was having technical problems and told him to fix it.

0:29:060:29:09

I understand you're going to Moscow in two weeks

0:29:090:29:12

-but I have something for you to do tomorrow.

-Shit. Of course.

0:29:120:29:17

-This is the passport.

-In order to prove that she was a spy,

0:29:190:29:22

the FBI asked her to be a courier to hand over forged documents.

0:29:220:29:26

She will say, "Haven't we met in California last summer?"

0:29:260:29:30

You will say to her, "No, I think it was The Hamptons."

0:29:300:29:34

Like something straight out of a spy movie,

0:29:340:29:36

the undercover agent gave Chapman the coded introductions

0:29:360:29:40

the FBI knew the Russian spy ring was using.

0:29:400:29:43

She will come up to me and say, "Haven't we met in California?"

0:29:430:29:48

and I will say "No, I think it was The Hamptons."

0:29:480:29:52

Then give her the documents and get her to sign.

0:29:520:29:55

"You're positive no one is watching?"

0:29:550:29:58

Chapman sensed there was something wrong.

0:29:580:30:01

This is the moment any spy dreads - having their cover blown.

0:30:010:30:06

An hour after meeting the FBI undercover agent,

0:30:060:30:09

she rushed off to buy a new mobile phone under a false name.

0:30:090:30:13

She listed her address as 99 Fake Street. But it was too late.

0:30:130:30:19

The FBI arrested her and the rest of the sleeper cell.

0:30:190:30:23

Had they been allowed to continue, it's hard to say

0:30:230:30:27

where their efforts would have ended.

0:30:270:30:29

Why did you decide to swoop when you did?

0:30:290:30:32

There were a number of reasons there, not least of which is,

0:30:320:30:35

several of the individuals were on their way out of the country

0:30:350:30:38

and we would have lost our opportunity to detain them.

0:30:380:30:41

The neighbours in Montclair just couldn't believe it.

0:30:430:30:46

Thought it was a joke. If someone had told me

0:30:460:30:50

that Martians were living next door, I would have believed that first

0:30:500:30:52

before I'd believe we had Russian spies.

0:30:520:30:55

You know, when you think of spies, you don't think of parents

0:30:550:30:58

with little kids.

0:30:580:30:59

One of the neighbours told us they couldn't possibly be spies,

0:30:590:31:03

just look at their hydrangeas. These were expert gardeners

0:31:030:31:07

caring for their lawn and maintaining their garden.

0:31:070:31:11

Mr and Mrs Murphy's real names were Lidiya and Vladimir Guryev.

0:31:130:31:18

Theirs was a marriage made in Moscow.

0:31:180:31:21

These were couples that had been manufactured,

0:31:210:31:25

marriages that had been appointed by the Russian intelligence service.

0:31:250:31:28

They came out of the Russian intelligence academy

0:31:280:31:32

paired with each other for this special assignment.

0:31:320:31:34

Part of this plan, this sleeper cell, included having children and

0:31:340:31:40

perhaps that's one of the saddest parts of this story, is children

0:31:400:31:44

learning that their parents are not at all who they believe them

0:31:440:31:46

to be and that perhaps their very existence was part of a fabrication

0:31:460:31:52

-of a foreign intelligence service.

-For Mother Russia.

0:31:520:31:55

Indeed. To carry out the orders of Mother Russia.

0:31:550:32:00

The Murphy's house now stands empty, the property of Moscow Centre.

0:32:020:32:06

In the end, there were no prosecutions.

0:32:070:32:09

There was a spy swap, reminiscent of Cold War days.

0:32:090:32:13

Anna Chapman and the other nine spies were exchanged for four

0:32:150:32:18

Russian nationals on the runway of Vienna airport.

0:32:180:32:22

One of them was Igor Sutyagin.

0:32:220:32:24

Two planes were parked next to each other.

0:32:240:32:27

So it took, oh...40 seconds.

0:32:270:32:29

We stepped, stepped on the ladder

0:32:290:32:32

and we were aboard the American plane.

0:32:320:32:34

Igor Sutyagin had served 11 years in Russian prison camps for spying.

0:32:360:32:40

He's a nuclear weapons expert and admits he regularly met

0:32:400:32:45

American defence officials at the US Embassy in Moscow.

0:32:450:32:49

But he denies he was ever a spy.

0:32:490:32:51

Given the kind of work you were doing

0:32:520:32:55

and the kind of people you were associating with,

0:32:550:32:57

from America's defence intelligence agency, it seems that you

0:32:570:33:03

were a likely candidate to be recruited by the Americans?

0:33:030:33:07

Well maybe, that is quite possible,

0:33:070:33:09

I don't know. I have some doubt. It seemed to me that I was too visible.

0:33:090:33:14

I openly visited these person in the embassy.

0:33:140:33:19

It seemed to me that spies tried to hide.

0:33:190:33:22

Russia has retained a huge espionage apparatus.

0:33:220:33:27

And Sutyagin believes the Kremlin's spymasters need it

0:33:270:33:30

to justify their existence.

0:33:300:33:32

The Cold War is not over.

0:33:320:33:34

At least in brains of the current Russian leaders.

0:33:340:33:38

They believed they grow up in the Cold War time,

0:33:380:33:44

they feel comfortable in the cold war environment.

0:33:440:33:47

Somewhere deep in their brains, the Cold War is still here.

0:33:470:33:51

President Putin was once a KGB spymaster himself

0:33:510:33:55

and sang Anna Chapman's praises.

0:33:550:33:59

She returned to her Homeland a hero

0:33:590:34:01

and joined the annual military parade in Red Square.

0:34:010:34:05

It's a great day for this nation so I'm here to celebrate it.

0:34:050:34:08

She now has a new career as a model and even hosts her own TV show.

0:34:120:34:19

The FBI suspected that Chapman might have been the bait to elicit secrets

0:34:200:34:25

from powerful men in high places

0:34:250:34:27

in what's known as the honey trap.

0:34:270:34:30

Was she a honey trap?

0:34:320:34:34

I think part of her value was indeed her ability to be engaging,

0:34:350:34:39

charismatic, and I think to that extent

0:34:390:34:42

she might have been viewed by them as a potential honey trap. She was

0:34:420:34:46

getting closer and closer to higher and higher ranking leadership.

0:34:460:34:50

How close did she get?

0:34:500:34:52

She got close enough to disturb us.

0:34:520:34:54

Here.

0:34:540:34:56

That's going to be the last one for a while.

0:34:580:35:01

-Am I going to see you tonight?

-Yeah.

0:35:030:35:05

POLICE SIRENS FBI! Let me see your hands!

0:35:060:35:10

Drop the cup, mam.

0:35:100:35:13

The FBI is so concerned, that it's produced a video warning government

0:35:130:35:17

employees to watch out for traitors being seduced in their midst.

0:35:170:35:21

Is the honey trap purely a Hollywood fiction?

0:35:210:35:24

No! Gosh, no. Of course it's not.

0:35:240:35:26

The honey trap is used extensively by other countries.

0:35:260:35:30

The money flowed and he was caught in a honey trap.

0:35:320:35:35

It plays to an ego, usually plays to an ego of an older guy.

0:35:360:35:41

Pretty girl, probably should figure it out when you see it.

0:35:410:35:45

She's probably not in your league

0:35:450:35:48

when she sits next to you in a bar or is the translator

0:35:480:35:51

at a conference or whatever

0:35:510:35:53

and strikes up a friendship, asks for contact information,

0:35:530:35:58

within a short period of time becomes your girlfriend

0:35:580:36:00

and then the pillow talk causes a leak of significant information.

0:36:000:36:05

But when that happens, when the pretty girl comes up to you in a bar

0:36:050:36:09

and you're an FBI agent, don't the red lights start flashing?

0:36:090:36:14

I imagine they should. Yeah.

0:36:140:36:17

-I admire your luck, Mr...?

-Bond.

0:36:170:36:21

-James Bond.

-Mr Bond...

0:36:230:36:26

Traditional spycraft like the honey trap

0:36:260:36:29

may still be with us, but the days when spies

0:36:290:36:32

tried their luck in glamorous, high rolling circles are over.

0:36:320:36:36

It's not the age, the James Bond age where you're going to

0:36:360:36:38

someone at a cocktail party and coming out of the British

0:36:380:36:41

and American Embassy saying, I'm the second secretary.

0:36:410:36:44

Those days are over.

0:36:440:36:45

Now there's a new breed of modern spy, known as the cut out.

0:36:450:36:50

And the country that is master of the cut out is

0:36:550:36:59

the People's Republic of China.

0:36:590:37:01

The Chinese are aggressively targeting government insiders

0:37:020:37:05

like this man, Gregg Bergersen,

0:37:050:37:07

a weapons analyst at the Pentagon with top secret security clearance.

0:37:070:37:12

I think when you see the information,

0:37:130:37:16

you can get out of it what you need.

0:37:160:37:18

Two FBI surveillance cameras capture him

0:37:180:37:21

getting his pay off from a Taiwanese businessman, Tai-Shen Kuo.

0:37:210:37:26

Mr Kuo just basically takes around 2,000 in cash and just

0:37:260:37:30

sticks it in Mr Bergersen's pocket.

0:37:300:37:33

-Oh, you sure that's OK?

-Yeah!

0:37:350:37:38

Mr Bergersen says, oh, jeez, that's great, thank you so much.

0:37:380:37:41

Mr Kuo was a cut out.

0:37:430:37:45

A middleman doing the work of his Chinese spymaster.

0:37:450:37:48

And Western intelligence believes China is running

0:37:480:37:51

battalions of such cut outs to do the spying for them.

0:37:510:37:55

And they're much more difficult to detect.

0:37:550:37:58

They could be students,

0:37:580:37:59

university professors or businessmen like Kuo, who was recruited

0:37:590:38:03

when he needed help to develop his business in China.

0:38:030:38:06

Their MO is to become the eyes

0:38:080:38:10

and ears of the intelligence practitioner on the other end.

0:38:100:38:15

It's all classified.

0:38:150:38:18

But I will let you see it and you can take all the notes you want.

0:38:180:38:23

They drive to a hotel where Bergersen happily gives Kuo

0:38:230:38:28

a top secret document to copy.

0:38:280:38:31

He gets a glass of wine and a cigar and he goes outside

0:38:310:38:34

and over the next hour, Mr Kuo copies

0:38:340:38:37

the information from the classified sheet into his own notes.

0:38:370:38:41

In 2007, Bergersen was sentenced to five years

0:38:420:38:46

and Tai-Shen Kuo to 15.

0:38:460:38:48

But the spymaster remained safely in China.

0:38:480:38:52

China is accused of stealing military

0:38:540:38:56

and industrial secrets on an unprecedented scale.

0:38:560:39:00

One of the first things that I did when I assumed

0:39:020:39:04

my responsibilities as Head of US Counter Intelligence, was to

0:39:040:39:08

read all of the damage assessments. I was astounded at the extent

0:39:080:39:13

to which we had suffered serious, serious losses. One example,

0:39:130:39:19

the Chinese, by espionage,

0:39:190:39:23

acquired all of the design information

0:39:230:39:28

of US nuclear weapons

0:39:280:39:31

currently in our inventory. CURRENTLY in our inventory.

0:39:310:39:35

We know that have that information. We still don't know how they got it.

0:39:370:39:40

The 21st century has opened up a formidable new front

0:39:420:39:45

in the espionage war and there's a dramatic new weapon -

0:39:450:39:49

the cyber spy.

0:39:490:39:50

We used to be concerned about the passing of an envelope

0:39:520:39:55

full of documents. Today, we're concerned about entire networks

0:39:550:39:58

being penetrated in the cyber realm. We're concerned about terabytes,

0:39:580:40:03

gigabytes of information passing in a heartbeat across the ocean.

0:40:030:40:08

And it seems that the cyber spy can go anywhere and get anything.

0:40:120:40:17

Lockheed Martin's F-35 Lightning fighter is America's

0:40:170:40:21

most advanced warplane.

0:40:210:40:23

At almost 400 billion, it's the US Defense Department's

0:40:260:40:29

costliest weapons programme ever.

0:40:290:40:32

The F-35 contains the latest top secret stealth technology

0:40:330:40:37

that enables it to avoid enemy radar.

0:40:370:40:39

Last year, the Chinese showed off their latest fighter.

0:40:430:40:47

It looks remarkably like the F-35.

0:40:470:40:49

The Americans believe its stealth technology was stolen

0:40:490:40:53

via the internet, a charge China denies.

0:40:530:40:57

When you're talking about giving up technology,

0:40:570:41:01

defence research, you're talking about the difference

0:41:010:41:06

between perhaps winning a battle and losing a battle.

0:41:060:41:09

That's this game we're in, a game with very deadly consequences.

0:41:090:41:13

This high-tech fortress is one of the most secret

0:41:150:41:18

and secure locations in Britain, GCHQ,

0:41:180:41:21

the Government Communication Headquarters in Cheltenham.

0:41:210:41:25

It's Britain's vital line of defence in the war against cyber spies.

0:41:250:41:29

TV cameras have never been allowed to film inside before.

0:41:310:41:36

Mark uses computer skills practiced since childhood

0:41:380:41:41

to defend against cyber attacks.

0:41:410:41:44

The first computer I ever had, I was about the age of eight. I was

0:41:450:41:48

-writing computer programmes before I was ten.

-Are you a geek?

0:41:480:41:52

I'm absolutely a geek. And the office is full of them.

0:41:520:41:57

It's been lovely to come and work at a place where everyone

0:41:570:42:01

is as geeky as each other and we're all pulling

0:42:010:42:04

-together for a common effort.

-And you're proud to be a geek?

0:42:040:42:07

Absolutely, very proud to be a geek.

0:42:070:42:10

Everything that we do is strictly controlled within the law.

0:42:100:42:14

I do penetration testing. We use techniques to test

0:42:140:42:18

the security of the UK government systems in the same

0:42:180:42:22

kinds of ways as a malicious hacker might do in order to identify the

0:42:220:42:26

flaws and vulnerabilities before, before the bad guys do, really.

0:42:260:42:29

How good are the hackers that you're up against?

0:42:300:42:33

They're very good. We just have to make sure that we're,

0:42:330:42:36

you know, keeping up with them and hopefully even better than they are.

0:42:360:42:40

GCHQ says government departments are targeted with 20,000

0:42:420:42:46

hostile emails a month.

0:42:460:42:49

But it's nothing to what one Baltic State next door to Russia suffered.

0:42:490:42:54

Estonia is one of the most wired places on the planet and in 2007,

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the whole country was targeted with a massive cyber attack.

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It lasted over four weeks.

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Millions of computers around the world had been

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infiltrated by malicious software viruses.

0:43:110:43:14

They were then used to target and overload Estonia's computer network.

0:43:140:43:18

An adversary will send out malware to computers

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and it allows those computers to be controlled by one master computer.

0:43:230:43:27

So an adversary can control, in effect, hundreds of thousands

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or in some cases, millions of computers from one computer.

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Overloaded computer systems crashed at Estonia's two main banks,

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in the media and in a host of government departments.

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It is actually a little bit frightening.

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I felt that my country was under attack.

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They used actually professional tools, so it is quite clear

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that there was some kind of really strong coordination behind it.

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What's your personal view as to where the coordination came from?

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The country actually who has something

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against the Estonia, politically, is quite clearly Russia.

0:44:030:44:07

For nearly 50 years, Estonia was ruled by Russia

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and it was this Soviet war memorial that triggered the crisis.

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There were rumours that the Estonian government had destroyed it,

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provoking Estonia's Russian minority to riot.

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The cyber attacks soon followed.

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If there is somebody who looks like a dog,

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barks and bites like a dog, then most probably it's a dog.

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I think there was some, let's say,

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sympathisers to the Soviet cause behind those attacks.

0:44:380:44:45

The Russian Government denies any involvement.

0:44:460:44:49

For the modern spy, the cyber attack is the perfect crime,

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almost undetectable.

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The FBI now has cyber agents embedded in countries like Estonia

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to fight the threat from the internet.

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You don't actually have to go outside and carry out the task.

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You can basically do this from your bedroom.

0:45:070:45:10

They can direct their attack through several different countries,

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before it reaches the victim computer. Truly borderless.

0:45:130:45:17

The British Government is investing £650 million

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to counter the cyber threat.

0:45:210:45:24

The Ministry of Defence's Global Operations

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and Cyber Security Centre is central to that operation.

0:45:260:45:30

These are the secret computers that mount a round the clock vigil

0:45:320:45:35

to defend the military's global communications

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and computer systems from attack.

0:45:380:45:39

Almost the whole span of human life now, from what

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people are doing on the internet as individuals, to how armies

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operate on a battlefield, are affected by our cyber-capabilities.

0:45:490:45:53

And that means we have to be able to defend ourselves in cyber space,

0:45:530:45:57

and sometimes defend ourselves in a very aggressive way.

0:45:570:46:01

Despite the reliance on such awesome technology

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and the billions spent on Britain's intelligence services,

0:46:060:46:09

things don't always go according to plan.

0:46:090:46:12

In March last year,

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the Foreign Secretary authorised a top secret mission to Libya.

0:46:180:46:23

At around three o'clock in the morning, a special forces Chinook helicopter

0:46:250:46:29

landed somewhere outside the rebel stronghold of Benghazi.

0:46:290:46:34

On board was an MI6 officer protected by six

0:46:360:46:40

heavily armed SAS minders.

0:46:400:46:43

The operation began just like the movies.

0:46:430:46:45

Its purpose was to make contact with the rebel leadership

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that was fighting to overthrow Colonel Gaddafi.

0:46:540:46:56

Here was a dictator, setting about murdering huge numbers

0:46:590:47:02

of his own people. It was in our national interest to do something

0:47:020:47:05

about that. Now, intelligence does not in any way dictate our decision,

0:47:050:47:11

but of course, it helps us to come to our decision about what to do.

0:47:110:47:15

The plan was to use a farm as an operating base

0:47:160:47:20

with the support of the British farm manager - but no-one had

0:47:200:47:23

informed the rebel leaders that an MI6 emissary was coming.

0:47:230:47:27

Really, we were surprised, you know?

0:47:270:47:29

Me, personally, I have no idea about it, no.

0:47:290:47:34

Never heard about that at all.

0:47:340:47:35

Had the British told anyone in the NTC that they were coming?

0:47:350:47:39

That time, as a secretary of the NTC, I have no idea.

0:47:390:47:42

The council, nobody knows.

0:47:440:47:46

Locals had been warned to watch out for looters

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and Gaddafi's fighters, as the situation grew increasingly tense.

0:47:500:47:54

I managed to track down one of the farm guards, who told me

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what happened that night.

0:48:000:48:02

What did you hear?

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TRANSLATION: The noise of a helicopter.

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And they flew over the farm?

0:48:060:48:08

TRANSLATION: They flew over the farm.

0:48:080:48:11

We were surprised and then we became suspicious.

0:48:110:48:14

The guards watched as the MI6 officer and the British team

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drove into the farm and started unloading their equipment.

0:48:220:48:26

TRANSLATION: We thought it was odd this was happening.

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It made us suspicious.

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Who did you fear they might be?

0:48:330:48:36

TRANSLATION: We didn't really know.

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We wanted to find out what they were carrying with them

0:48:400:48:43

and who they were.

0:48:430:48:44

The intruders were quickly surrounded

0:48:500:48:52

and captured by armed guards.

0:48:520:48:54

They offered no resistance. This is not how the movie was meant to end.

0:48:540:48:59

The team looked on as their highly sensitive military

0:49:010:49:05

communications were exposed.

0:49:050:49:07

They were held and interrogated for several days.

0:49:080:49:12

It was embarrassing for MI6,

0:49:120:49:14

but even more so for the Foreign Secretary.

0:49:140:49:17

Last week, I authorised the dispatch of a small diplomatic team

0:49:170:49:21

to Eastern Libya in uncertain circumstances which we judged

0:49:210:49:24

required their protection. They were withdrawn yesterday

0:49:240:49:28

after a serious misunderstanding about their role

0:49:280:49:31

leading to their temporary detention.

0:49:310:49:34

There were other routes into Libya. And other countries' spies

0:49:360:49:40

had already driven into Benghazi from neighbouring Egypt.

0:49:400:49:43

The SAS wanted to go in the same way, but were overruled.

0:49:430:49:48

Why was the decision made to send in SIS

0:49:500:49:55

and SAS officers into Libya

0:49:550:49:58

by the back door, when the Italian and the French

0:49:580:50:02

intelligence services went in under cover of humanitarian aid?

0:50:020:50:07

Well, I'm not going to go into operational details

0:50:070:50:10

about these things, there were good reasons for that.

0:50:100:50:13

Clearly, this was something that went wrong.

0:50:130:50:16

Sometimes operations do go wrong.

0:50:160:50:19

Whereas actually such failings are very rare in the operations

0:50:190:50:24

that our intelligence agencies conduct.

0:50:240:50:26

Although the operation was an embarrassing public failure,

0:50:280:50:31

MI6 finally made contact with the rebels.

0:50:310:50:35

Behind the scenes, MI6 supplied them with advanced communications

0:50:360:50:40

equipment and intelligence about plots to assassinate their leaders.

0:50:400:50:45

Spying is not an infallible science. But governments often rely on it.

0:50:480:50:54

Which is why accuracy is so vital.

0:50:540:50:55

In the end, human beings make judgements -

0:50:570:51:00

and those judgements can be misinterpreted.

0:51:000:51:03

How certain can you be that the intelligence that you have got

0:51:030:51:08

is right?

0:51:080:51:10

We are constantly assessing our agents, constantly

0:51:100:51:14

questioning what they are saying, making sure that we're still

0:51:140:51:17

confident in their access, in their motivations and their suitability,

0:51:170:51:22

that we can trust them, that they're not feeding us false information.

0:51:220:51:26

And when you have just one source,

0:51:270:51:30

the stakes can be life threateningly high.

0:51:300:51:32

When you're dealing with single threaded intelligence, whether

0:51:320:51:36

it's counter intelligence, counter terrorism you have to be careful.

0:51:360:51:39

People lie, they cheat and they steal.

0:51:390:51:41

Isn't there a danger that you may want the intelligence to be

0:51:410:51:47

what you want it to be, as opposed to what it actually is?

0:51:470:51:50

There's always another pair of eyes focussed on that case,

0:51:500:51:54

questioning the product, making sure that we are as confident

0:51:540:51:58

as we can be, that it's not just what someone wants to hear.

0:51:580:52:01

The spies' nightmare is the rogue source.

0:52:050:52:08

I went to a town in Germany to meet a man whose codename is Curveball.

0:52:130:52:17

His real name is Rafed Al Janabi.

0:52:180:52:21

He'd worked as a chemical engineer at a seed factory in Iraq.

0:52:210:52:25

In 1999, he arrived in Germany seeking political asylum.

0:52:250:52:30

TRANSLATION: I worked at the Djerf Al-Nadaf site

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for a period of about seven to eight months,

0:52:330:52:35

in a project called Seed Purification

0:52:350:52:38

and I was the site manager for this project.

0:52:380:52:41

He was interviewed at length by Germany's MI6 - the BND.

0:52:430:52:48

He told them the seed plant was just a cover for manufacturing

0:52:480:52:51

Saddam Hussein's Weapons of Mass Destruction - WMD.

0:52:510:52:54

Whilst there, he said he'd overseen the building of a mobile

0:52:560:52:59

biological laboratory that could be driven around the country

0:52:590:53:02

to avoid detection.

0:53:020:53:04

TRANSLATION: I insisted this existed

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and they asked me for diagrams.

0:53:070:53:09

I told them that I was part of the working team

0:53:090:53:11

but I didn't tell them I was an engineering expert.

0:53:110:53:15

Curveball's secret intelligence was eagerly embraced by Washington.

0:53:170:53:23

For the Bush administration, this was the smoking gun that would

0:53:230:53:26

make the case for war.

0:53:260:53:28

As Secretary of State Colin Powell made his landmark presentation

0:53:310:53:34

to the United Nations' Security Council, Curveball's

0:53:340:53:37

intelligence assumed centre stage.

0:53:370:53:40

Every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources.

0:53:420:53:46

These are not assertions. What we are giving you are facts

0:53:460:53:49

and conclusions based on solid intelligence.

0:53:490:53:53

The source was an eyewitness,

0:53:530:53:55

an Iraqi chemical engineer who supervised one of these facilities.

0:53:550:54:00

He was actually present during biological agent production runs.

0:54:000:54:04

But there was just one problem.

0:54:040:54:07

Colin Powell said that, "He",

0:54:070:54:09

that's you the source, was present during the biological

0:54:090:54:14

production runs. Were you present then?

0:54:140:54:16

-No. No.

-He was also at the site when an accident occurred in 1998.

0:54:160:54:22

12 technicians died from exposure to biological agents.

0:54:220:54:26

-Were you present on site?

-No.

-When the accident occurred?

-No.

0:54:260:54:30

We have first hand descriptions of biological weapons factories

0:54:310:54:36

on wheels and on rails.

0:54:360:54:39

The trucks and train cars are easily moved,

0:54:390:54:42

and are designed to evade detection by inspectors.

0:54:420:54:45

You say you provided diagrams of the mobile biological trucks.

0:54:450:54:52

You were making that up?

0:54:520:54:54

-Yes.

-And also,

0:54:540:54:56

you constructed a model of these trucks. Again, you made that up?

0:54:560:55:02

-Yes.

-None of it was true?

-No.

-All of it was lies?

-Yes.

0:55:020:55:07

The Administration wasn't happy with the look

0:55:090:55:13

of Curveball's sketched diagrams.

0:55:130:55:15

Colin Powell's Chief of Staff was called on

0:55:150:55:17

to make them more presentable.

0:55:170:55:19

Blame me. Blame me.

0:55:190:55:22

I bought the White House team in to do the graphics.

0:55:220:55:25

It was his evidence that supported that contention by the Secretary

0:55:260:55:31

and by the US intelligence community that Iraq had mobile

0:55:310:55:34

biological weapons labs.

0:55:340:55:36

The problem was, is that the administration

0:55:360:55:38

believed what it wanted to believe, didn't it?

0:55:380:55:41

Absolutely. The intelligence was being worked

0:55:410:55:43

to fit around the policy.

0:55:430:55:44

We now know that MI6 and German intelligence warned the CIA

0:55:510:55:54

they didn't think Curveball was wholly reliable.

0:55:540:55:58

After the war, America desperately searched for the mobile labs,

0:56:000:56:04

but found not a trace.

0:56:040:56:06

It was only then that the CIA finally got to interview Curveball.

0:56:070:56:12

Soon after, they took the unusual step of issuing a burn notice,

0:56:120:56:16

retracting all his intelligence.

0:56:160:56:19

Did Secretary Powell feel that he had been let down over

0:56:210:56:26

Curveball or over the intelligence that Curveball provided?

0:56:260:56:29

I don't see any way on this earth that Secretary Powell doesn't

0:56:290:56:33

feel almost a rage about Curveball

0:56:330:56:37

and the way he was used, with regard to that intelligence.

0:56:370:56:41

One of the foundations of intelligence that

0:56:410:56:43

I think many of us analysts were reminded of

0:56:430:56:46

with the Iraqi WMD story,

0:56:460:56:47

is, how carefully do you distinguish between what you know,

0:56:470:56:52

what you don't know and what you think?

0:56:520:56:55

You can very quickly go down a hole of saying, we're pretty sure

0:56:550:56:59

of this, when actually, you're just speculating

0:56:590:57:01

and a lot of smart people do that all the time.

0:57:010:57:05

Curveball underpinned the Bush administration's case for war.

0:57:050:57:09

So why did he lie?

0:57:090:57:11

TRANSLATION: My main purpose was to topple the tyrant in Iraq

0:57:110:57:16

because the longer this dictator remains in power, the more

0:57:160:57:19

the Iraqi people will suffer from this regime's oppression.

0:57:190:57:23

For Britain and America, this was an intelligence failure

0:57:260:57:28

on a catastrophic scale.

0:57:280:57:30

The fact is, we went to war in Iraq on a lie! And that lie was your lie.

0:57:320:57:40

Yes.

0:57:430:57:44

-What's the lesson of Curveball?

-The lesson of all intelligence,

0:57:490:57:53

especially at a strategic level, if your going to make fateful

0:57:530:57:56

decisions as a president, you're gonna make decisions to send young

0:57:560:57:59

men and young women to die for state purposes and to kill other

0:57:590:58:02

people for those purposes, you better be damn sure it's correct.

0:58:020:58:06

When intelligence services get it wrong,

0:58:070:58:09

the results can be disastrous.

0:58:090:58:13

But when they get it right, countless lives may be saved.

0:58:130:58:16

In recent years, British jihadis have plotted to blow up

0:58:160:58:20

night clubs and shopping centres and bring down aircraft.

0:58:200:58:24

Those plots and more have been foiled by Britain's modern spies.

0:58:240:58:28

But with the stakes so incredibly high,

0:58:280:58:31

there may sometimes be temptation to go too far.

0:58:310:58:35

Next time, we investigate allegations of British

0:58:360:58:39

complicity in rendition and torture,

0:58:390:58:42

and whether modern spies ever have a licence to kill.

0:58:420:58:45

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