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-Here, on the outskirts of Cardiff...	0:00:00	0:00:02
-..is the home of Beti George -and partner, David Parry-Jones.	0:00:03	0:00:07
-She is perhaps best known...	0:00:08	0:00:10
-..for her popular -radio programme, Beti A'i Phobol.	0:00:10	0:00:14
-But she has also presented -a plethora of music programmes.	0:00:14	0:00:18
-Music of all genres -is very close to her heart.	0:00:18	0:00:22
-That's a special sound system, -Gwion.	0:00:22	0:00:25
-And a pretty special CD too.	0:00:25	0:00:27
-Llyr Williams is my favourite.	0:00:27	0:00:29
-His reputation precedes him. -He's world famous by now.	0:00:30	0:00:34
-On every wall -are traces of her eclectic taste...	0:00:35	0:00:38
-..and her fondness -for the best in Welsh modern art.	0:00:39	0:00:42
-It was a birthday present.	0:00:43	0:00:45
-There was a knock at the door -and it was Iwan Bala.	0:00:45	0:00:48
-He said, "This is for you."	0:00:48	0:00:50
-Of course, it was -a present from David, not Iwan.	0:00:51	0:00:54
-She recently received -the sad news...	0:00:55	0:00:58
-..that partner David -is suffering from Alzheimer's.	0:00:58	0:01:02
-Their circumstances have changed.	0:01:02	0:01:04
-Beti speaks candidly -about coping with the condition.	0:01:04	0:01:08
-We're very fond of Greece.	0:01:09	0:01:11
-Do you go there regularly?	0:01:11	0:01:13
-We've been going to Samos -every year for the past 30 years.	0:01:14	0:01:17
-But not this year.	0:01:19	0:01:22
-She doesn't hide -her political tendencies either.	0:01:22	0:01:25
-Here's my friend.	0:01:26	0:01:28
-She serves an unexpected purpose.	0:01:28	0:01:31
-As a nut cracker!	0:01:32	0:01:34
-Great, isn't she?	0:01:34	0:01:35
-Great, isn't she? - -That's clever.	0:01:35	0:01:37
-We know you better as a broadcaster. -We'll return to that later.	0:01:45	0:01:49
-We also know about -your passionate interest in music.	0:01:50	0:01:55
-Were you interested in music -as a child?	0:01:55	0:01:58
-I had a musical upbringing.	0:01:59	0:02:01
-My mother and father -were very musical.	0:02:01	0:02:05
-Music to us at the time -meant singing hymns in chapel...	0:02:06	0:02:09
-..and anthems.	0:02:10	0:02:12
-Mam played the organ.	0:02:12	0:02:14
-We had a small pedal organ at home.	0:02:14	0:02:17
-My father sang in chapel.	0:02:17	0:02:21
-I remember Mam telling me -I used to sing myself to sleep.	0:02:21	0:02:26
-It's hard to believe, -but that's what she said.	0:02:26	0:02:29
-As a baby?	0:02:30	0:02:31
-As a baby? - -Yes, before I was a year old...	0:02:31	0:02:33
-..according to her.	0:02:34	0:02:36
-The hymn tune I'd sing -was Ton-Y-Botel! (Tune In A Bottle)	0:02:36	0:02:40
-It was very apt.	0:02:40	0:02:42
-I was surrounded by music -during my upbringing.	0:02:42	0:02:46
-Where was your home?	0:02:47	0:02:48
-Where was your home? - -A small village called Coedybryn.	0:02:48	0:02:51
-It's become well known...	0:02:52	0:02:54
-..since T Llew Jones was headmaster -of Coedybryn primary school...	0:02:54	0:02:58
-..for many years.	0:02:59	0:03:01
-It's seven miles from Llangrannog...	0:03:01	0:03:04
-..and from where -my mother's family hails.	0:03:05	0:03:08
-I spent a lot of time at Penmorfa, -a village near Llangrannog.	0:03:08	0:03:12
-Mam-gu was bedridden...	0:03:12	0:03:16
-..for six years.	0:03:16	0:03:20
-She'd broken her hip...	0:03:20	0:03:22
-..and in those days...	0:03:22	0:03:24
-..hip replacements -weren't given to people in their...	0:03:25	0:03:28
-She was 80 when she broke her hip.	0:03:29	0:03:31
-She stayed in bed...	0:03:31	0:03:34
-..for six years.	0:03:34	0:03:36
-They talk today about -the lack of care in hospitals...	0:03:36	0:03:41
-..and the disregard -shown by nurses...	0:03:41	0:03:43
-..well, it was my aunt -who looked after my grandmother.	0:03:44	0:03:48
-The family was proud of the fact -there were no bed sores in sight...	0:03:48	0:03:53
-..in all the time she was bedridden.	0:03:53	0:03:58
-Tad-cu had died before I was born, -so I don't remember him.	0:03:58	0:04:02
-He was a manual labourer -and worked on the roads.	0:04:02	0:04:06
-He loved his job, apparently.	0:04:09	0:04:14
-Of course, people would pass -and he'd have a chat with them all.	0:04:14	0:04:18
-He was tremendous company, -by all accounts.	0:04:18	0:04:23
-He was great company to be around.	0:04:23	0:04:26
-He loved talking to everybody.	0:04:26	0:04:28
-Were you from a middle-class family -or a working-class family?	0:04:29	0:04:34
-I doubt Tad-cu, -as a manual labourer...	0:04:34	0:04:37
-..was middle class.	0:04:38	0:04:40
-No, working class.	0:04:40	0:04:42
-Lower working class, I'd say.	0:04:43	0:04:46
-My father was a weaver.	0:04:47	0:04:49
-He was an accomplished craftsman.	0:04:49	0:04:53
-He frequently won awards...	0:04:53	0:04:56
-..at the Royal Welsh Show.	0:04:57	0:04:59
-For what?	0:04:59	0:05:01
-Woven blankets and quilts.	0:05:01	0:05:04
-He specialized in what -we used to call honeycomb quilts...	0:05:04	0:05:09
-..and tapestry quilts.	0:05:09	0:05:11
-I still have many of them today.	0:05:11	0:05:15
-He was a worker.	0:05:16	0:05:18
-But before I came into the world...	0:05:18	0:05:23
-..he worked at the coalmine.	0:05:23	0:05:26
-He worked underground -but only lasted six months.	0:05:26	0:05:31
-He became -a staunch socialist in that time.	0:05:31	0:05:36
-My mother went away to work -at 14 years of age.	0:05:38	0:05:43
-She was a chambermaid, as -they called them back then, I think.	0:05:45	0:05:49
-Sounds like something -from Downton Abbey!	0:05:50	0:05:52
-And Upstairs Downstairs too.	0:05:52	0:05:56
-She came to Cardiff -at 14 years of age...	0:05:56	0:06:00
-..to be a maid.	0:06:00	0:06:03
-From rural Wales?	0:06:03	0:06:05
-Yes. She was a maid to the family -who owned The Western Mail.	0:06:06	0:06:10
-The Webbers.	0:06:10	0:06:13
-I remember -the stories she used to tell.	0:06:13	0:06:16
-She told me about her life.	0:06:17	0:06:19
-She often told me -if I didn't do my schoolwork...	0:06:19	0:06:22
-..I'd end up like her.	0:06:23	0:06:25
-That's when I'd hear these -horrendous stories about her life...	0:06:25	0:06:29
-..with the Webbers in Cardiff.	0:06:29	0:06:31
-What sort of stories?	0:06:32	0:06:34
-There were two daughters, -apparently.	0:06:34	0:06:37
-Every month -when they had their period...	0:06:37	0:06:42
-..the girls would just throw their -sanitary towels on the floor...	0:06:42	0:06:46
-..and tell her -to pick them up and wash them.	0:06:47	0:06:50
-She was only 14 years old. -She was only a child herself.	0:06:51	0:06:54
-They didn't care about her dignity?	0:06:55	0:06:57
-They didn't care about her dignity? - -No.	0:06:57	0:06:59
-Ironically, I met a descendent -of the Webber family...	0:07:01	0:07:06
-..many years later...	0:07:06	0:07:08
-..when I was working in Cardiff.	0:07:08	0:07:12
-I happened to be in a reception.	0:07:14	0:07:16
-The descendent was there too.	0:07:17	0:07:19
-I told him -the story about my mother...	0:07:20	0:07:24
-..having to wash -the sanitary towels...	0:07:24	0:07:27
-..of his great-great-grandmother...	0:07:28	0:07:32
-..or however they were related.	0:07:32	0:07:35
-Fair play to him...	0:07:37	0:07:39
-..he acknowledged -how hard her life must've been.	0:07:39	0:07:43
-But that's how it was back then.	0:07:43	0:07:45
-Was there any form of apology?	0:07:45	0:07:48
-Yes. At least I felt there was -because the world has changed.	0:07:48	0:07:52
-When you look back at -the turbulent times of 1960s...	0:07:53	0:07:56
-..and the protests -of The Welsh Language Society.	0:07:56	0:08:00
-Was that part of your life?	0:08:00	0:08:01
-Was that part of your life? - -No, not at all.	0:08:01	0:08:03
-It happened after I'd left college.	0:08:03	0:08:06
-But even if it had happened, -and I had still been at college...	0:08:06	0:08:10
-..I don't know if I'd been -part of it, I have to admit...	0:08:11	0:08:14
-..because of this ethos at home -about lawbreaking...	0:08:15	0:08:19
-..I doubt I could've gone home...	0:08:19	0:08:22
-..and told them I'd broken the law.	0:08:22	0:08:25
-It comes back -to that working-class ethos again.	0:08:25	0:08:29
-Lawbreaking was inherently wrong.	0:08:29	0:08:33
-There was -no moral justification for it?	0:08:33	0:08:36
-None. None at all.	0:08:36	0:08:38
-I remember Emyr Llewelyn, -from the same village...	0:08:38	0:08:42
-..and the action he took -for the Welsh language.	0:08:42	0:08:46
-But he wasn't respected...	0:08:46	0:08:50
-..because he'd broken the law.	0:08:50	0:08:53
-But thank goodness for people -like Emyr and his counterparts...	0:08:56	0:09:01
-..for breaking the law.	0:09:01	0:09:03
-I doubt I would've been -one of them, however.	0:09:03	0:09:07
-Are you optimistic about -the future of the Welsh language?	0:09:07	0:09:12
-That's one of the questions I ask -at the end of Beti A'i Phobol.	0:09:12	0:09:17
-A century from now, -how many people will speak Welsh?	0:09:17	0:09:21
-Where will Wales be?	0:09:21	0:09:23
-I ask that question...	0:09:23	0:09:25
-..to help myself -come to some decision.	0:09:25	0:09:29
-At the moment...	0:09:29	0:09:32
-..I've little hope.	0:09:32	0:09:34
-I'm pessimistic -about the future of the language.	0:09:34	0:09:38
-I've seen it...	0:09:41	0:09:43
-..gradually disappear -from my home county of Ceredigion.	0:09:45	0:09:50
-During -the 75th anniversary celebration...	0:09:50	0:09:53
-..of Coedybryn primary school...	0:09:54	0:09:56
-..I arrived at the function room...	0:09:56	0:10:00
-..of a pub in Newcastle Emlyn...	0:10:00	0:10:03
-..and I was a little early.	0:10:03	0:10:05
-I walked in and saw people -putting up balloons and so on.	0:10:05	0:10:10
-There was -no word of Welsh in sight.	0:10:10	0:10:12
-The celebration dinner began...	0:10:13	0:10:16
-..and I was -supposed to say a few words.	0:10:17	0:10:19
-It was heartbreaking.	0:10:20	0:10:23
-Coedybryn had always been -a Welsh-speaking community.	0:10:23	0:10:28
-But when I thought -of T Llew Jones...	0:10:28	0:10:30
-..who was headmaster -of the school for so many years...	0:10:31	0:10:35
-..I'm sure -he was spinning in his grave.	0:10:35	0:10:38
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-By the mid-1970s, Beti had left -the world of education...	0:10:44	0:10:48
-..and was beginning a career -as a radio journalist on Bore Da.	0:10:48	0:10:53
-It was an exciting time.	0:10:53	0:10:56
-There were miners' strikes -and steelworkers' strikes.	0:10:56	0:11:00
-It was essential to be a member...	0:11:00	0:11:05
-..of the NUJ, -the National Union of Journalists...	0:11:05	0:11:09
-..before you could -go to workers' meetings.	0:11:09	0:11:13
-So I had to...	0:11:13	0:11:15
-I didn't want to join the union...	0:11:15	0:11:18
-..until I'd completed -my apprenticeship.	0:11:19	0:11:22
-I spent three years training...	0:11:22	0:11:26
-..and then -I applied for membership of the NUJ.	0:11:26	0:11:32
-But in those days...	0:11:34	0:11:37
-..it was newspaper journalists...	0:11:37	0:11:40
-..who ran the journalists' union -in Swansea....	0:11:40	0:11:45
-..and many other regions.	0:11:45	0:11:47
-They were regarded -as the bona fide journalists.	0:11:47	0:11:50
-TV and radio journalists -weren't proper journalists.	0:11:51	0:11:54
-You were meant to train on paper...	0:11:55	0:11:57
-..before you were considered -a proper journalist.	0:11:58	0:12:01
-There were two heads of -the journalists' union in Swansea...	0:12:01	0:12:07
-..and they didn't want me to join.	0:12:08	0:12:12
-They said, "Oh, no, she's teaching.	0:12:12	0:12:16
-"She's got a full-time job. -She's teaching."	0:12:16	0:12:19
-A year later, fair play -to one of the photographers...	0:12:23	0:12:27
-..of a Neath newspaper.	0:12:28	0:12:30
-He would see me -coming to these meetings...	0:12:30	0:12:35
-..but not gaining entry.	0:12:35	0:12:37
-He said, "I'll get you in."	0:12:38	0:12:41
-I was eventually let in.	0:12:41	0:12:43
-I was allowed to attend the meetings -after that and quiz the unionists.	0:12:43	0:12:49
-Not so much the owners...	0:12:49	0:12:52
-..but the union side of things.	0:12:53	0:12:55
-I was interested in getting -the families' perspective.	0:12:55	0:12:59
-The suffering -the families had to endure.	0:12:59	0:13:03
-The fact that we spoke Welsh -in those circles was a help too.	0:13:04	0:13:09
-It helped you find a story?	0:13:10	0:13:12
-It helped you find a story? - -Yes, and they had faith in me.	0:13:12	0:13:15
-If you spoke Welsh, -union members empathized...	0:13:16	0:13:22
-..with someone who spoke Welsh.	0:13:22	0:13:24
-Dodgy things -were happening on both sides.	0:13:28	0:13:32
-There's no doubt about that.	0:13:32	0:13:35
-But somehow or other...	0:13:35	0:13:37
-..they had faith in me...	0:13:37	0:13:39
-..not to misinterpret -what they were fighting for.	0:13:39	0:13:44
-I had every sympathy for them...	0:13:44	0:13:47
-..although -I had to remain impartial.	0:13:47	0:13:51
-Which, in turn, gave you the -advantage over other journalists.	0:13:51	0:13:56
-And the fact I was a woman too.	0:13:57	0:14:01
-The wives of the miners -played a central role.	0:14:04	0:14:08
-They had influence at the time.	0:14:08	0:14:12
-They were forming alliances...	0:14:12	0:14:15
-..and were -actively fundraising and so on.	0:14:15	0:14:19
-I was quite popular with them.	0:14:20	0:14:23
-If there was a story, they'd phone -me to tell me what was happening.	0:14:23	0:14:28
-I remember one time...	0:14:30	0:14:32
-..there was -an explosion at Cwm Gwili coalmine.	0:14:32	0:14:37
-Two men had been killed.	0:14:37	0:14:39
-It was the first time -I'd dealt with such a tragic story.	0:14:41	0:14:46
-I went there in person.	0:14:48	0:14:50
-I don't think I was expected...	0:14:51	0:14:54
-..to talk to the families -who had lost their husbands...	0:14:54	0:14:58
-..but one man had survived, although -he had been seriously injured...	0:14:58	0:15:04
-..and they wanted me -to get the story...	0:15:04	0:15:07
-..from his wife.	0:15:07	0:15:10
-So I found out where she lived...	0:15:10	0:15:12
-..and there were dozens -of journalists already there.	0:15:12	0:15:18
-She opened the door...	0:15:18	0:15:20
-..and it was obvious she didn't -feel comfortable talking about it.	0:15:20	0:15:25
-She didn't want to, -but she saw me...	0:15:26	0:15:28
-..and she recognized me.	0:15:29	0:15:31
-She said, "Beti, I'll talk to you."	0:15:31	0:15:34
-She picked you out?	0:15:35	0:15:37
-Yes, and I got to talk to her.	0:15:38	0:15:40
-She described hearing -the ambulance at two in the morning.	0:15:40	0:15:45
-She said it happened regularly...	0:15:45	0:15:49
-..but this particular morning...	0:15:49	0:15:52
-..she sensed that something -out of the ordinary had happened.	0:15:52	0:15:56
-I put myself in her shoes...	0:15:57	0:15:59
-..and considered the hardships -miners had to endure.	0:15:59	0:16:03
-How on earth can anyone...	0:16:03	0:16:05
-..criticize the miners -for fighting for their rights?	0:16:05	0:16:09
-I can't understand it.	0:16:09	0:16:11
-You've had to face -another challenge recently, Beti.	0:16:12	0:16:16
-Your partner, David, -the well-known sports broadcaster...	0:16:16	0:16:20
-..is suffering from Alzheimer's.	0:16:20	0:16:22
-When did you realize -there was a problem?	0:16:22	0:16:26
-It goes back to...	0:16:26	0:16:28
-Well, I'd say -it goes back about six years...	0:16:28	0:16:31
-..although he wasn't diagnosed -until four years ago.	0:16:32	0:16:36
-I noticed some things.	0:16:36	0:16:38
-If I wrote anything in English...	0:16:38	0:16:41
-..a script or anything...	0:16:41	0:16:43
-..I'd always pass it to him -to look over...	0:16:44	0:16:48
-..in case I'd made -any terrible grammatical errors.	0:16:48	0:16:52
-It'd come back -covered in corrections.	0:16:53	0:16:55
-He'd also make suggestions.	0:16:56	0:16:58
-Gradually, -it didn't happen any more.	0:17:01	0:17:04
-It made me think.	0:17:04	0:17:06
-One came back one day...	0:17:07	0:17:09
-..and there were no corrections -in this English script I'd written.	0:17:09	0:17:15
-I said, "There must be, come on."	0:17:15	0:17:17
-And he said, "No, your English -has dramatically improved."	0:17:17	0:17:22
-That's when I realized...	0:17:22	0:17:25
-..things weren't right.	0:17:25	0:17:28
-He's not poorly, -I just have to be patient.	0:17:28	0:17:31
-He has difficulty with his vest.	0:17:31	0:17:34
-I can't understand it.	0:17:35	0:17:37
-He has difficulty and he asks me -every time to help him.	0:17:37	0:17:41
-There are three holes...	0:17:41	0:17:43
-..and he's not sure which hole -his head should go through.	0:17:43	0:17:48
-It's interesting...	0:17:48	0:17:51
-..how the brain stops functioning.	0:17:51	0:17:55
-In terms of how it's affected him...	0:17:56	0:17:58
-..it affects every individual -suffering from Alzheimer's...	0:17:58	0:18:03
-..in a different way.	0:18:03	0:18:06
-How do you make dementia...	0:18:07	0:18:10
-..as high profile a disease -as breast cancer?	0:18:10	0:18:14
-That's the point.	0:18:14	0:18:16
-People think of it...	0:18:16	0:18:18
-..as an old person's disease.	0:18:19	0:18:21
-Less than a quarter of the money -that goes towards cancer research...	0:18:21	0:18:26
-..is spent on dementia research.	0:18:26	0:18:31
-In 20 years' time...	0:18:32	0:18:34
-..they'll be inundated -unless they find a solution.	0:18:34	0:18:38
-I'm not suggesting spending less -on cancer - not at all.	0:18:38	0:18:43
-But cancer research has proved...	0:18:43	0:18:47
-..that if the money's there...	0:18:47	0:18:50
-..new treatments will be discovered.	0:18:50	0:18:54
-Nowadays, people with cancer -talk and discuss their condition.	0:18:54	0:19:00
-If they did the same -with dementia...	0:19:00	0:19:03
-..in the long run, they'll -save money - it's as simple as that.	0:19:03	0:19:08
-We must talk about Beti A'i Phobol.	0:19:08	0:19:10
-You're renowned for that programme.	0:19:11	0:19:13
-It's been running -for 30 years, I believe.	0:19:13	0:19:16
-Yes, it has.	0:19:17	0:19:19
-Many people have said...	0:19:20	0:19:22
-..that the secret -of the programme's success...	0:19:22	0:19:26
-..is down to a rare combination.	0:19:26	0:19:28
-Your journalistic curiosity...	0:19:28	0:19:32
-..coupled with your warmth.	0:19:32	0:19:35
-You make people feel comfortable. -It's a rare combination.	0:19:35	0:19:40
-If I'm interviewing someone...	0:19:40	0:19:42
-..I want to get -the best out of that person.	0:19:43	0:19:46
-It works both ways.	0:19:46	0:19:48
-I like people, -there's no doubt about that.	0:19:50	0:19:53
-I chat to them...	0:19:53	0:19:55
-..sometimes hours at a time, -before I record the programme.	0:19:56	0:20:00
-So when they actually -come to do the programme...	0:20:01	0:20:05
-..they know which way -the conversation will go.	0:20:06	0:20:09
-I can't think of anyone who's said, -"No, I don't want to discuss that."	0:20:09	0:20:14
-"Don't ask me about that."	0:20:14	0:20:17
-Maybe one or two people -have said after the recording...	0:20:18	0:20:23
-.."I want that taken out."	0:20:23	0:20:26
-I give them the freedom...	0:20:27	0:20:29
-..to talk about a subject -of their choice.	0:20:30	0:20:33
-I always say to them, "Think about -the people who are listening.	0:20:34	0:20:38
-"They might be at home -by themselves...	0:20:38	0:20:41
-"..with the same sort of problems...	0:20:41	0:20:44
-"..you're going -to be talking about."	0:20:44	0:20:47
-It means -you're sharing your experiences.	0:20:47	0:20:52
-The listener at home alone...	0:20:52	0:20:56
-..has the same problems...	0:20:56	0:20:58
-..and realizes someone else -is going through the same thing.	0:20:58	0:21:02
-It's important.	0:21:02	0:21:05
-Can you think of one programme -you're particularly proud of?	0:21:05	0:21:10
-I usually say RS Thomas...	0:21:11	0:21:13
-..when someone -asks me that question.	0:21:13	0:21:17
-I always mention RS...	0:21:17	0:21:20
-..because he gave me such a shock.	0:21:20	0:21:23
-The man was very different...	0:21:23	0:21:25
-..from the image I had of him -as this surly character.	0:21:26	0:21:31
-He wasn't like that at all.	0:21:31	0:21:33
-I wasn't -going to ask him about his poetry.	0:21:34	0:21:38
-I wanted to interview the man.	0:21:38	0:21:41
-I was worried he might think -my questions were silly...	0:21:42	0:21:45
-..but he didn't.	0:21:46	0:21:47
-He loved it -and played the game, as they say.	0:21:48	0:21:50
-On the other hand...	0:21:51	0:21:52
-..there are those -who talk about their experiences...	0:21:53	0:21:57
-..for the first time.	0:21:57	0:21:59
-I remember Delme Thomas, -for example.	0:21:59	0:22:02
-The beloved rugby playing giant.	0:22:02	0:22:05
-He'd never discussed -his experiences of depression.	0:22:06	0:22:11
-He's suffered seriously -with depression.	0:22:12	0:22:15
-He spoke about it -for the first time.	0:22:17	0:22:20
-What he said was so memorable.	0:22:22	0:22:26
-They're too numerous to mention.	0:22:28	0:22:31
-I like the ones -who are labelled "heavy".	0:22:31	0:22:36
-I've always -been interested in politics.	0:22:38	0:22:41
-I wouldn't call myself -a political expert...	0:22:42	0:22:45
-..but interviewing politicians -in-depth...	0:22:45	0:22:49
-..and the way they respond...	0:22:49	0:22:51
-..gives me immense satisfaction.	0:22:52	0:22:58
-I could go on and on.	0:22:58	0:23:00
-I can count on one hand...	0:23:02	0:23:04
-..the ones I think, 'Oh, forget it!'	0:23:04	0:23:08
-It's inevitable.	0:23:09	0:23:10
-It's inevitable. - -There are only a handful of those.	0:23:10	0:23:14
-I know -you hate talking about yourself...	0:23:14	0:23:17
-..so I'm -very, very grateful to you...	0:23:17	0:23:20
-..for being so candid -and so willing to talk.	0:23:20	0:23:23
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