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Families can be driven apart for all manner of reasons. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
My mum went away and didn't come back. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
And when you do lose touch with your loved ones... | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
I never saw Kathleen again. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
..finding them can take a lifetime. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
Wonder where he is, I wonder what he's doing. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:17 | |
You don't really know where to begin. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
Especially when they could be anywhere, at home or abroad, | 0:00:19 | 0:00:25 | |
and that's where the Family Finders come in. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
Hi, it's the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
From international organisations... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
And there's never been a day when we have never had new enquiries. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
..to genealogy detective agencies... | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
When is it you last had contact with him? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:42 | |
..and dedicated one-man bands. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
I like to do the searches that other people can't get, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
cos it makes me feel good. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
They hunt through history to bring families back together again. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
You are my biological dad. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
In this series, we follow the work of the Family Finders. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
This case came from our Australian colleagues. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
Learning the tricks they use | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
to track missing relatives through time... | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
I'm 68 years of age, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:07 | |
she's 75 years of age, and we're just starting off. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
..and meeting the people whose lives they change along the way. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
I said, "Well, this is your younger sister." | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
It's a miracle. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
I was struck speechless and I couldn't stop crying. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
It's a proud moment for Dad. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
It was the start of finding a family. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
For anyone looking to find a long-lost family member, there's | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
been an explosion of companies across the UK willing to help. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
One of the largest such companies is FinderMonkey, based in Leeds. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
When people come to us looking for somebody, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
we know it means a lot to them, so helping them | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
find somebody they really want to get back in touch with... | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Erm, it's just fantastic. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
Earlier this year, they helped a young woman from the Midlands | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
find her father, who she'd never met. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
This is Natalie Barker, who was born in Wolverhampton in 1989. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
She was raised by her mother, Penny, who, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
after a brief relationship with Natalie's biological father, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
lost contact with him after she fell pregnant. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
From a young age, you know that he's not quite there, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
and when people used to ask me, "What does your dad do?" | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
it'd be sort of like... "I don't know." | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Even as a toddler, Natalie was acutely aware her father was absent. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
When people did pictures of their parents, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
from primary school age, I didn't get to do that. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
You know, I'd just sort of be... "Look, there's Mummy." | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
You know, just... and didn't have a clue. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
In the early '90s, Natalie's mother married. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
Her husband became stepfather to Natalie, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
and the family moved to London. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:56 | |
It was nice, because he was that father figure. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
He took me to school in the mornings on his bike... | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
..and he also taught me how to ride my bike. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
With a father figure in her life, Natalie had found a happy home. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
I never felt that I missed out from that point. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
He, like, always showed love. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
And with the arrival of two half-sisters, life was good. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:26 | |
But despite having a happy childhood, | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
not knowing her birth father began to have an increasing impact on her. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
I think when it did hit me was when I was a teenager. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
Natalie's desire to know about her biological father grew, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
and by the time she went to university | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
she was ready to tentatively start the search. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Well, I typed in ways to find my dad, and at first I think | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
I was a bit nervous and a bit cautious about it. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
But just as she plucked up the courage to start her search, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
her stepfather died. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:03 | |
It was still quite fresh to everyone, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
and to sort of try to find him at that point, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
it was a bit too raw to cross that line, | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
you know what I mean? | 0:04:15 | 0:04:16 | |
So I didn't do it the first time round I saw it. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:19 | |
Out of respect for her stepfather and the rest of the family, | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
she abandoned the search. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:24 | |
It wasn't until much later that she felt the time was right to | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
begin the process once more. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
I actually just went, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
"OK, I've got to do this now. I'll just do it." | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
Natalie's sole piece of information was that her father's name | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
was Patrick Norman. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
Speaking to her mother, Penny, she also managed to obtain the name | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
of the street where Penny and Patrick had lived in the '80s, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
but when it came to remembering the house number, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
Penny's memory was hazy. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
She thought it was either number 31 or 13. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
So, who is it that you're looking for? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
With a name and address, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:07 | |
the team should be able to crosscheck their records. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
Head researcher Dave Oates took up the case. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
We looked at both numbers | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
and found nobody matching either the first name or the surname | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
that she'd provided at either address, | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
and because she was confident that he'd lived there for a few years, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
we were fairly certain she had the wrong address. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
Their search had hit a hurdle. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
Dave e-mailed Natalie the news. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
When I first got that e-mail, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
it was sort of a bit of a kick in the teeth. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
It was a bit upsetting. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
I know for sure she's quite good with dates and things like that. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
You know, I didn't quite know what to do at that point. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
It was back to the drawing board. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
With no solid address, the team had nothing to go on, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
but Dave had a brainwave. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
We were fairly certain she had the wrong address, | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
so we asked her to look at the street | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
and perhaps go in person to visit it with her mum, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
who knew the address, to see if she could establish which house it was. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
Today, Natalie and her boyfriend, Chris, are retracing the steps | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
she made with her mother. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:16 | |
They're revisiting the road in Wolverhampton where her mum | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
and Patrick lived in the late '80s. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
Penny believed the house was number 13 or 31, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
but the search had drawn a blank. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
They hoped the visit would jog Penny's memory. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
Well, basically, Mum recognised that pub over there. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
-What, that one down there? -On the corner. -OK. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
The pub was the first clue. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
But there was, like, a garage station that she recognised, | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
cos it was opposite the flat, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
so I think it's more down there, actually. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
-OK, so shall we head that way? -Yeah. -OK. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
Natalie's mother hadn't been back to the street in 25 years. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:59 | |
-So, she's having to go through, like, little details of... -Yeah. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
..how she came up the pathway to... Even just the route and things. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
Without the house number, there was no starting point to find her dad. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
And it was quite scary, actually, cos if... | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
if she didn't remember, she was kind of like the last hope. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
Definitely getting really close. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
-Mm-hm. -Cos we actually came to this point over here, as well. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:29 | |
She literally had to stop and go, "Er... Right, no, we're going back. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
"We've got to go back." | 0:07:32 | 0:07:33 | |
-This is the one over here. -Oh, it's over here? | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
-Yeah. -Oh, nice. -We were really excited when we saw it. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
It was just like, "Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
Then, I was like, "Are you sure? | 0:07:40 | 0:07:41 | |
"Are you sure, Mum? Is this is the right address?" | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
She was like, "Yeah, this is the right address." And that was... | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
-So, as soon as she saw it... -Yeah. -As soon as she saw it, she knew. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
Yeah, she knew straight away. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
The magic number was 301, not 31 or 13, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:58 | |
as Natalie's mum had previously thought. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:00 | |
It was...it was like a... | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
-I don't know, it was a very overwhelming moment. -Yeah. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
-It really was. -But, like you say, your mum needed to see this... -Yeah. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
-..in order to just get anywhere. -Yeah, but it was... | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
It was a big moment, it really was. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
With the correct house number and name, the hunt was on, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
and back at HQ, the team kicked into action. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
Once we had that information, we were able to go back | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
and look at that address historically, to find out | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
who was living at that address during the 1980s. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
That did give us a name which, although it was Patrick, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
was a different surname to what she'd provided. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
And then, that enabled us to look further at that person, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
to try and find out more details. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
The team had found a match on the address from the '80s, but finding | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
Patrick's current whereabouts was going to prove more difficult. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
They had to search through various sources of information, | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
including national databases and public records. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
24 hours later, the team had found Patrick, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
and were quick to e-mail the good news to Natalie. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
'Straight away, I was on my phone reading it,' | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
and I was just like, "Oh, my God." | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
It was amazing. It says, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:13 | |
"Please find below your report in relation to Patrick Norman Poole. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
"Our expert researchers have performed several searches | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
"for this person and can supply you with the following information..." | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
And then, it told me about my dad's marriage records. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
But Patrick hadn't just got married - there was more. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:31 | |
They had children. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Really exciting, cos you just... you're like, "Oh, my God, wow, | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
"I've got siblings and stuff." | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
Natalie had a stepsister and a stepbrother. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
That automatically was just really exciting. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
And then they've got his address in, like, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
really capital letters, very bold writing. And you're just like, | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
"Oh, my God, there it is. I know where he is." | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
The only thing left for Natalie to do was write a letter - | 0:09:56 | 0:10:00 | |
easier said than done. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:01 | |
The ball's in your court, as it were. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
Then that's scary cos you don't know whether to do it or not. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
That's the final, sort of, actual push. You know, you don't know... | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
That's the part where you go, "Do I? Do I do this?" | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
Natalie plucked up the courage and put pen to paper. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
Yeah, I did write the letter in the end, and it was nice. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
"Hello, Patrick Blagrove. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
"I didn't think this day would come. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:33 | |
"I'm so happy to have finally found you." And I thought... | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
I looked at the front of the envelope and I said to myself, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
"Hang on, is that my writing? | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
"How come I've sent something to myself?" | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Anyway, I opened the letter, and presumed to read the letter. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
"My name is Natalie Barker. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
"I was born in New Cross." And then it...and the penny dropped. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:59 | |
"No easy way to say it but you are my biological dad. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:04 | |
"I hope you take the time to consider this letter, | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
"as it may be one of the hardest letters to write, | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
"by all means, and to let you know whether or not you would want to | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
"build on some kind of relationship within the near future." | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
I actually thought this day would never come. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
And then, from then on, I was just looking forward to seeing her. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:36 | |
With the help of the professionals, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
Natalie had finally tracked down her biological father. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
But for our next case, things weren't so simple. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
The story starts 280 miles north, in the West of Scotland. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
This is Hugh McGarvey. He was born in Glasgow in 1947. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:03 | |
I was born and raised in the East End of Glasgow, | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
in a place called Shettleston. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
When Hugh was ten, the family moved a mile up the road to Barlanark. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
Along with my two younger brothers, William and Daniel, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
and I stayed there until I met Margaret. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
In 1968, Hugh met his childhood sweetheart. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
They were married four years later. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
I married Margaret on the 26th of June, 1972. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
Erm, don't ask me how many years that is together. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
I remember the anniversaries but I can't remember the years. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
We've got three children - Victoria, who will be 40 this year, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
Christopher's 37 | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
and Gillian, who's 36, | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
and I've got one grandchild. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Life is good at the moment and I'm quite happily retired as well. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:55 | |
Cup of tea? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
Hugh's worked hard over the years | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
to provide for his family. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
He's had a career in the construction industry, and served | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
with the Reserve Parachute Regiment in the 15th Scottish Battalion. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
He's now enjoying family life at home, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
but, while his home life feels complete, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
there's been a hole in his family | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
since he lost his mother 12 years ago. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
She was the last in line of the Scott family. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
However, Hugh's recently discovered a surprising family secret. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:27 | |
I was quite gobsmacked to discover that I had a cousin | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
and nobody had ever spoke about her. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
For Hugh, the discovery that there's a living member | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
on the Scott side of his family has come as quite a surprise. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
Growing up in '50s Glasgow, and not aware that there's a cousin | 0:13:40 | 0:13:46 | |
who's eight years older than you and a part of your family, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
but just totally unaware of that person's existence. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
What's more, this cousin's whereabouts | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
were shrouded in mystery. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
No-one's ever spoke about her. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
Never met her, obviously, and to suddenly discover | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
that you have someone, a part of your family, | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
or a part of my... | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
my mother's side of the family, if you will, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
I'm just overwhelmed by that. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
Hugh first made this shocking discovery eight months ago. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
It was my cousin, another cousin, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
an older, elderly cousin - Catherine. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
And she, when she was a young girl, could remember playing with | 0:14:23 | 0:14:28 | |
another little girl in my gran's house, | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
way, way, way back. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
And she says, "I think that was Josephine." | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
Stay. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:38 | |
For Hugh, this unexpected development | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
held particular significance. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
Finding Josephine is very important | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
because she's the last link in a chain to | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
my mother's side of the family. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
There's no...there's no-one left. | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
She's the only one that's left on my mother's side of the family. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
That in itself is a big factor. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
But knowing where to begin his search for Josephine | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
was going to be a challenge. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
Probably if my mum was alive, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
she may have been able to explain a bit more, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
but to try and find someone that you didn't know existed, | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
someone that you don't know, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
and how do you go about it? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:20 | |
It is quite daunting, so I made it a point that I'd say, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
"Right, I'm going to try and find this lady." | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
To crack this enigma, Hugh needed some basic details, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
but those were thin on the ground. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
When I began the search for Josephine, I had a name | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
and a rough idea of the area she was born in. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
That's all I had, I had nothing else. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
But by speaking to his other cousin, Catherine, the girl who used to | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
play with Josephine, he also learnt another vital detail. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
She says, "I know she wanted to become a nun when she was 15 or 16. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:01 | |
"She left to go to Ireland to be a nun, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
"and no-one ever seen or heard of her since." | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
Finding out that Josephine had been a nun was a mixed blessing, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
as Hugh felt this information | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
carried worrying implications for his search. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
I know that nuns generally... | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
It was missionary work and they travel all over the world, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
so she could be anywhere. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
Is she in this country? | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Is she in Africa or South America, or wherever? | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
Hugh's search was going to be even more problematic | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
than he'd first imagined. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
How to find someone, you know, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
the proverbial needle in a haystack... | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
To find this needle in a haystack, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
Hugh started by doing some digging himself. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
If he could locate a birth certificate for Josephine, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
he would have something to work with. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
His first port of call was the City Registration Office, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
for births, deaths, marriages and civil partnerships. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
-Hi, there. -Come in, take a seat, please. -Thank you. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
With thousands of details on file, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
it was a good starting point to begin his search. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Josephine Scott. She's a cousin and I've...I've never met her. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
Hugh knew where Josephine was born. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
-Erm, was she born in Scotland, Glasgow? -Yeah, yeah. -Yeah, OK. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
Name, it would be Scott. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
-And first name, please? -Josephine. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
He also had an inkling about her mother's maiden name. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
I think it was Margaret McQuade. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
Maybe not, maybe Mary, but I think Margaret McQuade. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Do you have a rough year when she was born? | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
Late '30s, early '40s. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
By narrowing down their search to an eight-year birth period, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
it would hugely increase their chances of success, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
and, by an incredible stroke of luck, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
there was only one Josephine Scott born during this period in Glasgow. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:01 | |
Erm, Josephine Scott, the full name. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
And then date, 12th of June, 1941. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
The time of birth and the place of birth, | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
which is 238 Thistle Street in Glasgow. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
The sex of the child is obviously female. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
And to confirm it was her, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
Josephine's parents were named on the certificate. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
Parentage details for father, first of all, Walter Lyle Scott. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
He was a motor lorry driver. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
And mother's details, Mary Margaret Scott, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
whose maiden surname was McQuade. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
-Mm-hm. -And then the informant was the father, Walter, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
so, he's signed Walter L Scott. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
It was the breakthrough Hugh needed... | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
..but that was just the first part of the puzzle. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
Given Josephine's career as a nun, Hugh was no closer to knowing | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
what corner of the globe she might be on now, | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
so he got in contact with the professionals... | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
..400 miles away, in London. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
Hi, it's the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
The Salvation Army helps bring together over 2,000 families a year. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
Who are you trying to trace? | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
Some cases can take as little as two days to solve. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
Others can take a lifetime. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
Putting people back in contact, it is a special moment, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
and especially one like this case, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
which I felt was going to be extremely difficult. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
Some cases can be a lot quicker. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
We just cannot put a time limit on a case. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
Armed with the birth certificate and the slim information he had | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
obtained from cousin Catherine, Hugh handed over his findings. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
'In this case, he provided us with Josephine's birth name,' | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
her date of birth, a last known address that she was known to be at, | 0:19:52 | 0:19:58 | |
and also, that Josephine went to a convent in Ireland | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
in the 1950s, and that was the last the family had heard of her. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
It wasn't much to go on, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
but enough for the team to begin the arduous task. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
Doing research under the surname Scott, | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
and also, we have connections with Glasgow, Ireland and England, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:23 | |
that would have been a lot of records to check. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
Even for the professionals, the case was going to be a challenge. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
I decided that I would go along the lines that possibly | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
Josephine hadn't married, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
so I tried a line of enquiry straightaway | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
which was available to us, which came back with a negative result. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
With searches coming up blank, the team were running out of options. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
Their next move was to enlist the help of | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
one of a number of specialist companies that they work with. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
And the good news was, they found a match. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
I was overjoyed because I really felt this was going to be | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
an impossible search to do, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
so when I had found her | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
I was absolutely delighted. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
Hugh received the news the next day. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
"Dear Mr McGarvey, further to the enquiries we are | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
"making on your behalf, we are pleased to be able to inform you | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
"that we have succeeded in contacting your cousin Josephine." | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
It says, "They've been given your own details | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
"and we do hope that very soon you'll be in touch with each other." | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
When I got that, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:39 | |
I could have fell on my back. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
That is an absolutely incredible... | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
I haven't met Josephine yet, but I, honestly, | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
I'm looking forward to it, but that... | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
The emotions that were running through, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
I can't explain them. I can't, I really can't. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
'I couldn't believe it. I got a handwritten letter. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
'Just out of the blue he's written to me | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
'to say he'd like to get in touch with me. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
'I never dreamt for a minute that I had any relatives | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
'on the other side of the family.' | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
The fact that Hugh's found me | 0:22:10 | 0:22:11 | |
is really the best thing that probably happened to me. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
Made up my mind, you know, right away. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
I had no hesitation - I was going to do it, you know. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
But where was Josephine living now? | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
Had life as a nun taken her overseas? | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Me thinking that she's been in Africa and all over the world, | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
or where she was somewhere, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
maybe in some place in South America or wherever. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:36 | |
But Hugh could never have imagined that Josephine would have | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
ended up where she did. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
And here she is, she's on the South Side of Glasgow. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
It turned out she was right on his doorstep all along. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
She's only about six miles away from me. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
That nearly floored me. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
It is just mind-boggling, mind-boggling. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
Josephine's story begins just a stone's throw from where | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
Hugh was born, with her parents' marriage in 1940. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
I grew up in Glasgow - Thistle Street in the Gorbals. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:14 | |
But it wasn't a conventional matrimony. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
My mum and dad ran away to get married | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
because he was a Protestant and my mother was a Catholic. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
In the early 1940s, | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
mixed-faith marriages weren't commonplace in the west of Scotland. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
My granny's brothers and sisters, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
I think they thought it was shocking | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
that my mother would do that. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:41 | |
It wasn't the kind of thing to do in they days, you know. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
And couples like Josephine's parents | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
would have feared a level of prejudice from both sides. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
Sectarianism has been an issue in Glasgow over, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
certainly throughout the 1900s, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
and not just Glasgow, but the West Central Scotland. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
The divide between Catholics and Protestants is referred to | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
as sectarianism and is visible at certain points in Scottish history. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
It came about through the arrival of the Irish | 0:24:09 | 0:24:14 | |
to seek jobs in Scotland. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
Ireland was a very rural place at that time, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
and remained so for most of that century, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
whereas Scotland was in the throes of the Industrial Revolution. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
Social tensions arose in areas | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
which saw a large influx of Irish immigrants. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:33 | |
People did tend to - as immigrants do today - | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
did tend to settle in particular areas, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
so it created concentrations | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
which became known as Catholic or green areas, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
and where there was rivalry, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
or problems with the neighbouring indigenous population, | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
who were largely Presbyterian and Protestant at this time. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
This led to the beginnings of what we can call now sectarian troubles. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:59 | |
But it wasn't just religion that the Irish brought with them | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
from across the sea. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
It wasn't simply because people were Catholic | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
and others were Protestant, it was also due to the fact that | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
people were arriving with different attitudes, different customs. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
It did create some resentment amongst the existing working class, | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
and indeed, middle classes of the time, in Scotland. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
Over the next 100 years, both churches | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
and their propaganda added fuel to the fire. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
And both on the Catholic side and the Presbyterian side, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
for a long time, they were saying, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
"No, we should not be marrying the other side," if you like. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
And as late as 1923, the Church of Scotland had a pamphlet which | 0:25:37 | 0:25:43 | |
was declaring that the Irish race in Scotland were uncivilised | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
and undermining the moral wellbeing of the people in Scotland. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
By the 1940s, it remained somewhat taboo to marry | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
outside your faith, but where there was a will, there was a way. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
In the course of my genealogy work, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
I do come across mixed marriages between | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
people who are evidently Catholic and people who are Protestant. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
You look at the record and you think, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
"What kind of trouble would that have caused in the family?" | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
You know, would it have had parental approval? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Would it have had church approval? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Would they have had to bring their children up in that religion? | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
So, it's an added layer of complication within a family, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
and could indeed lead to division within the family. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
Ultimately, people might get disowned. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
This was a dilemma which drew a wedge between many | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
families in the 20th century. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
It's unclear how Josephine's parents' elopement was received | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
but, once married, the pair were keen to have children of their own, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:53 | |
and Josephine was born just a year later. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
But sadly, family life was short-lived. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
My dad was going into a garage | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
and another person was coming out of the garage, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
but he was doing it the wrong way, and they crashed right into my dad. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
Josephine's father didn't survive the accident. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
His ribs went through his heart. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
He was killed when I was eight months old. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
Just a baby when the tragedy struck, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Josephine has no memory of her father. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
I've not got any photographs of my dad, | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
and I saw one, one time only, | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
and I don't know what happened to it after that. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
Josephine found solace in religion. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
When she was 20, she decided to become a nun, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
and against her mother's wishes | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
she travelled to a convent in Ireland. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
I left Glasgow on the 30th of January, 1962, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:52 | |
and we took the boat over. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
She spent the next seven years completing her vows, | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
but things didn't go to plan. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
Josephine fell in love with a priest | 0:28:03 | 0:28:06 | |
and decided the sisterhood wasn't her calling. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
She returned to Glasgow, where she still lives to this day. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
Now in her 70s, there's one bit of history | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Josephine wants to track down for herself. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
'I've not got any photographs of my dad. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
'It would be nice to see my dad again.' | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
Will her reunion with Hugh | 0:28:26 | 0:28:27 | |
help her find the final piece of the puzzle? | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
260 miles away, in Wolverhampton, a team of Family Finders has | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
also helped Natalie Barker track down her biological father, Patrick. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:44 | |
A week after receiving Natalie's letter, | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
father and daughter agreed to meet up. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
First time I was waiting for my dad to arrive, | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
it was really, really nerve-racking. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
Like, every single hour that went by, I was checking the time | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
and just watching the minutes go really, really slowly. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
I was like, "Oh, come on!" | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
The pair haven't seen one another for almost a quarter of a century. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
You've got this image in your head beforehand that you have | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
probably when you're younger. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:14 | |
That image, you know, now, could go one way or the other. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
You know, it could be good or bad. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
But the first time I actually went to Natalie's, slight nervousness. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
I was more or less thinking about the response. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
Today, they're meeting for only the third time. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
BELL BUZZES Oh, my God, every time. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
Every single time. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
Hello. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:38 | |
Hello, Natalie. Dad speaking. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
Hiya! | 0:29:41 | 0:29:42 | |
All right, I'll come down. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
'25 years, what I've missed out, and it's suddenly come together, | 0:29:45 | 0:29:49 | |
'and I've sort of embraced it.' | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
Natalie and Patrick are making up for lost time, | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
and they've got more in common than they imagined. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
These are all from, like, when I used to do cross-country. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
God, do you know something? I used to do that when I was small. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
-Oh, my gosh. -I didn't realise you were a cross-country runner. -Yup. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
I didn't intend to be a cross-country runner, but... | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
until the teacher put me in a race, and then I found, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
next thing, I was coming second. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
Then I went on to being a 400m runner, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:23 | |
which I liked, but 800m is my field. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
Ah, I see you came first. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
Yeah, I'm first for that one. My God. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
-It's nice being your dad, though. -Mm. -You've got some medals. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
Yeah, what you need is a trophy cabinet, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:38 | |
-I'll have to get you a trophy cabinet. -Yeah. -Yeah. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
-As you can see... -Patrick's brought the family photo album along | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
to share his history with Natalie. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
This is me when I was, obviously...I think four. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
Does it look like me? | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
Can you see? | 0:30:59 | 0:31:00 | |
-Yeah. -My brother | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
and your grandad and your grandma. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
-That's my mother's brother. -Aw... | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
For the first time, | 0:31:08 | 0:31:10 | |
she's learning about her family heritage on her father's side. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
My dad, obviously, comes from Hanover in Jamaica... | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
-Hm. -..and my mum comes from Saint Ann's in Jamaica, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:19 | |
but they, like I said, they met over here. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
They were in their early 20s when they first come over here. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
During the 1960s, the British government encouraged | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
skilled workers from the Commonwealth to come to Britain. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
Many migrants found work in the factories of Wolverhampton. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
Patrick's parents were among these workers, looking for a new life. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:42 | |
I'm the oldest of four boys over here. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
-Is that you as well? -This is me now with my Afro. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
Those days, everybody used to wear the Afro and the curls. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
-The Jheri curls? -Yeah. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
And they put...what you call perms. A perm, isn't it? | 0:31:53 | 0:31:57 | |
I used to have... You can see I've got an Afro there, | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
-and my red trousers, look. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
People used to wear coloured trousers back in the '70s. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
It's all right, they're back in fashion, they are. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
-They've come back. -Oh, well, they've probably pinched it off me. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
How did you find it growing up in Wolverhampton? | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
When it came to, obviously, culture differences and things, and... | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
We adapted to culture differences. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:16 | |
My parents have always adapted to the English way of life. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
-That's when... Basically, that's what I've always been taught. -Hm. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:24 | |
So I've got the best of both worlds, really. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
I've learned the West Indian way | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
-and I've learned the English way. -Hm. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
Having started her search with just a name and half an address, | 0:32:31 | 0:32:35 | |
Natalie can now look forward to | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
a new chapter of her life with Patrick. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
If you have a missing family member and want to trace them, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
here are some helpful tips when carrying out name searches. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
Never assume a family name is only spelt one way. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
Family names can be spelt in a number of different ways | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
and it's not unusual to find mistakes have been made, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
often by those recording them. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
Smith can be Smyth, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
Rawlins can be Rawlings, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:14 | |
and Kitson can be Kidston. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
Not only this, but names have evolved and changed over time. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
Individuals may marry and hyphenate a surname. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
They may become known by a nickname or they may decide to | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
call themselves something different altogether. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
Make sure you check all the phonetic variations, just in case. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
Although this is time-consuming, | 0:33:38 | 0:33:40 | |
the results could make it all worthwhile. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:42 | |
In Wolverhampton, Natalie's search for her father is over. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
She's reflecting on the journey with her boyfriend, Chris. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
You've been wanting to find your family since, like, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
since I've known you. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:58 | |
I think once I found him it was, like, you know, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
"Oh, OK. We can... We can handle anything now. It's fine." | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
With her new-found confidence, the couple have some very exciting news. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
You know, I... I was going to marry her anyway. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
You know... | 0:34:17 | 0:34:18 | |
Natalie and Chris have decided to tie the knot. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
She's found her dad and that's really helped, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
-just...just with you. -Hm. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
You know, cos I felt complete, it's like... | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
it has allowed us to kind of move on | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
to the next part of our lives together, type of thing. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
I have noticed a marked improvement in just how you feel about yourself. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
Him coming to my wedding is just, like, it's good. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
It's good, it's very good. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:45 | |
It's been an eventful year for Natalie, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
and before she takes the plunge, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:51 | |
she's invited Patrick to view the venue. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
-Oh, so... Oh, this is the room... -Yeah. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:56 | |
-..that you're getting married in. -Ooh. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
Oh, that's beautiful. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
Oh, it's lovely, that. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
Natalie has a very important question for her father. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
What I was hoping as well, though, | 0:35:07 | 0:35:08 | |
is to have you and Mum walk me down the aisle. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
-At least then, like, Mum, you know, brought me up and stuff... -Mm. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:17 | |
And then, you... I want the future as well, you know? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
-Yeah, I've got you. -And you're to be part of that, so... | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
-I'll be honest, I'm proud. -Aw... | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
Yeah, so I'll give you a kiss. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
-Oh. -It's a proud moment for Dad. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
Having both my dad and my mum walk me down the aisle, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
I think it's... | 0:35:40 | 0:35:41 | |
it's a nice symbolic moment because in a sense, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
not only am I getting married, | 0:35:44 | 0:35:47 | |
it's a new beginning. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:48 | |
You know, he's going to be there for the future, as well. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
I'll be honest, I didn't expect it. You surprised me. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
'I'm so pleased that Natalie's found me,' | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
and to now be part of her celebration and part of the wedding, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:02 | |
and to be giving her away, as well. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:03 | |
They're getting married. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
'In some respects I'm a bit nervous,' | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
cos, obviously, you know, they haven't seen each other | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
for a long time, but at the same time, | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
I know it's a fresh start. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
For them to see each other after how many years and just be like, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
"Yeah, we did it." | 0:36:20 | 0:36:21 | |
What dad wouldn't be proud? | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
When I set out to find my dad, it was difficult. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:29 | |
Like, the mix of emotions that come with it is tremendous. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:35 | |
It's been the final piece of the puzzle for my life, really, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
and now it's time to start a new chapter. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
-The future's going to be bright. -Yeah. -Thank you very much. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
It's all right. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
They're getting married. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:47 | |
With the help of the Salvation Army, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
Hugh McGarvey is also looking forward to | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
a new chapter in his life. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
His hunt for Josephine is almost over, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
and his daughters are keen to hear his findings. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
-So, what is her name? What's her full name? -Josephine Scott. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
-And they found her? -Well, yeah. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:13 | |
Where is she? | 0:37:13 | 0:37:15 | |
She's in Glasgow, believe it or not. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
His search has thrown up some surprising details. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
How did Catherine know about her? | 0:37:21 | 0:37:22 | |
Well, cos she's the same age as Catherine. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
She can vaguely remember playing with a wee girl | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
up in your great-gran's house. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
It was his cousin Catherine who unlocked the mystery of | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
Hugh's missing cousin Josephine. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
I think my dad's search is amazing. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
Erm, I never actually knew that he was embarking on this | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
until a couple of days ago. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
She'd quite a remarkable life. As I say, she did become a nun... | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
The fact that he knew that she existed | 0:37:47 | 0:37:49 | |
and that he'd asked the Salvation Army to help him find her is... | 0:37:49 | 0:37:53 | |
well, it's quite awesome. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:54 | |
She's your gran's brother's daughter, the Scott side of the family. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
For Hugh, finding Josephine holds particular significance, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:03 | |
as she is the last living relative from his maternal line. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
-What do I do, do I take flowers? -Aye. -I was going to say, | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
what are you going to take? Maybe some flowers and a box of chocolates | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
-or a box of shortbread... -I would have taken flowers. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Not take a bottle of malt whisky | 0:38:15 | 0:38:16 | |
-or anything, no? -No, no, do you know what I mean? -OK. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
Having lived parallel lives for the past 70 years, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
not knowing the other existed, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
the cousins are about to meet for the first time. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
Fingers crossed it will be good, but nervous, yeah. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Yeah, I'm fairly nervous. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:41 | |
You know, I did over 200 parachute jumps. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:44 | |
My first one, I was absolutely terrified. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:48 | |
I'm just as nervous as that first parachute drop. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
Very excited about meeting Hugh. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
I'm dying to see him, actually. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
I don't know whether he'll feel the same. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
And Hugh's not the only person | 0:39:03 | 0:39:05 | |
Josephine will be reunited with today. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
I've got some photographs here, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
and I know that she hasn't got a... | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
From what I gather, she's not got a photograph of her dad. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
So here I am in a taxi, going to visit a cousin I've never met, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:25 | |
roughly 25 minutes away from where I stay, and I don't... | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
I thought she was maybe in Africa or South America, | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
could have been anywhere in the world. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
Oh, it is very, very important to me, you know, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:39 | |
because he is a member of my family. He's my dad's nephew, you know? | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
I don't know, has he got a full head of hair? | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
I don't know. Not that I've got a full head of hair! | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
Yeah, this is it... | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
the final...few steps till I meet my cousin. | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
-INTERCOM BEEPS -Josephine's had little contact | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
with her close family | 0:40:03 | 0:40:04 | |
but, thanks to Hugh, all that's about to change. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
Hello. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:09 | |
Josephine, it's Hugh. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
-Right. -INTERCOM BEEPS | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
I'm very excited. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
-Hello. -Josephine. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
-Hi. -I finally see you. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:22 | |
-Hi. -Hi, how are you? | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
-You've had a long wait. -Yeah. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:26 | |
Oh, you're right there, a long wait. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
-Great to see you. -That's great. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
And these are for you. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:31 | |
Oh, that's lovely. Thanks very much, Hugh. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
You've no idea what this is like today, | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
-what this is for me. -I know. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
-Hm, hm, hm. -KISSING SOUND | 0:40:39 | 0:40:40 | |
-At last, cousin. -At last, aye. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
At last, long last. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:45 | |
I'm 68 years of age, she's 75 years of age and we're just starting off. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
This is a new adventure. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
-So you've came back to Glasgow... about 1970? -Aye. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
-And we're now into, what, 2015? -Aye. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
45 years you've been in Glasgow. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
-Uh-huh. -And you stay 20 minutes away. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
-I know. -I just find that absolutely... | 0:41:04 | 0:41:06 | |
-You know, it's mind-boggling. -Aye. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
-Hopefully, we can make up for lost time. -I know, I know. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
I'm so thankful that I've finally found you. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
And Hugh has just the thing to get them started. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
And you said you didn't have many photographs of your dad? | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
-No, only ever seen one. -Did you? | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
I've got some old photos here. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:22 | |
Oh, that's lovely. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
This is the first time Josephine will have seen her father | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
since she was a child. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:28 | |
That's one of them, with a friend, without his moustache. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
Oh, aye. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
And there he was, as clear as a bell, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
and I knew as soon as I looked at it, it was my dad. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
You know, just knew by looking at it. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
-His hair's all... -And that's the other one there. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
-The Errol Flynn one. -Oh, that's the one that I remember, aye. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
-Yeah? -That's the one I like. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
-You know, that's quite imprinted on my memory, this. -That one? | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
-Yeah. -You know, I remember that. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
-What? -The moustache, you know. -Yeah. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
That was very, very like the one that my mum showed me. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
-You haven't seen that photograph since you were seven years old? -No. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
-About that, uh-huh, roughly. -Right, so that's 68 years ago. -Is it? | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
-Aye, yeah. -That's absolutely incredible. -I know. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
Showing Josephine photos of her dad was... | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
I was actually pretty gobsmacked when I discovered that the last time | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
she'd seen a photograph of her dad, she was seven years old. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
-My... -And my mother always told me how good-looking he was. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
-Yeah, well, he looks a handsome lad, doesn't he? -Aye, aye. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
-The last link in the Scott family... -Aye, aye, aye. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
The final link will go on from here. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
Long-lost cousin, at last. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:40 | |
Everybody's going to know. You'll be famous. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
So there's a whole new chapter to start again. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:46 | |
-You ready? -Right, aye. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
SHUTTER CLICKS I can't wait to get her over | 0:42:49 | 0:42:51 | |
to meet everyone, because she's got extended family over there. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
-Aye. -There we go. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:55 | |
For Josephine, after years of feeling alone, | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
it's the start of a new family adventure, | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
with Hugh right by her side. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
I just...I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of my family. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
I'm really glad, glad it all happened. It was worth at all. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
You know, it really was. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:13 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:43:13 | 0:43:15 |