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Families can be driven apart for all manner of reasons.

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My mum went away and didn't come back.

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And when you do lose touch with your loved ones...

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I never saw Kathleen again.

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..finding them can take a lifetime.

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Wonder where he is, I wonder what he's doing.

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You don't really know where to begin.

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Especially when they could be anywhere, at home or abroad,

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and that's where the Family Finders come in.

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Hi, it's the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service.

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From international organisations...

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And there's never been a day when we have never had new enquiries.

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..to genealogy detective agencies...

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When is it you last had contact with him?

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..and dedicated one-man bands.

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I like to do the searches that other people can't get,

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cos it makes me feel good.

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They hunt through history to bring families back together again.

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You are my biological dad.

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In this series, we follow the work of the Family Finders.

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This case came from our Australian colleagues.

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Learning the tricks they use

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to track missing relatives through time...

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I'm 68 years of age,

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she's 75 years of age, and we're just starting off.

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..and meeting the people whose lives they change along the way.

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I said, "Well, this is your younger sister."

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It's a miracle.

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I was struck speechless and I couldn't stop crying.

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It's a proud moment for Dad.

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It was the start of finding a family.

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For anyone looking to find a long-lost family member, there's

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been an explosion of companies across the UK willing to help.

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One of the largest such companies is FinderMonkey, based in Leeds.

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When people come to us looking for somebody,

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we know it means a lot to them, so helping them

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find somebody they really want to get back in touch with...

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Erm, it's just fantastic.

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Earlier this year, they helped a young woman from the Midlands

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find her father, who she'd never met.

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This is Natalie Barker, who was born in Wolverhampton in 1989.

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She was raised by her mother, Penny, who,

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after a brief relationship with Natalie's biological father,

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lost contact with him after she fell pregnant.

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From a young age, you know that he's not quite there,

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and when people used to ask me, "What does your dad do?"

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it'd be sort of like... "I don't know."

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Even as a toddler, Natalie was acutely aware her father was absent.

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When people did pictures of their parents,

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from primary school age, I didn't get to do that.

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You know, I'd just sort of be... "Look, there's Mummy."

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You know, just... and didn't have a clue.

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In the early '90s, Natalie's mother married.

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Her husband became stepfather to Natalie,

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and the family moved to London.

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It was nice, because he was that father figure.

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He took me to school in the mornings on his bike...

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..and he also taught me how to ride my bike.

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With a father figure in her life, Natalie had found a happy home.

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I never felt that I missed out from that point.

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He, like, always showed love.

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And with the arrival of two half-sisters, life was good.

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But despite having a happy childhood,

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not knowing her birth father began to have an increasing impact on her.

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I think when it did hit me was when I was a teenager.

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Natalie's desire to know about her biological father grew,

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and by the time she went to university

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she was ready to tentatively start the search.

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Well, I typed in ways to find my dad, and at first I think

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I was a bit nervous and a bit cautious about it.

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But just as she plucked up the courage to start her search,

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her stepfather died.

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It was still quite fresh to everyone,

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and to sort of try to find him at that point,

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it was a bit too raw to cross that line,

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you know what I mean?

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So I didn't do it the first time round I saw it.

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Out of respect for her stepfather and the rest of the family,

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she abandoned the search.

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It wasn't until much later that she felt the time was right to

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begin the process once more.

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I actually just went,

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"OK, I've got to do this now. I'll just do it."

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Natalie's sole piece of information was that her father's name

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was Patrick Norman.

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Speaking to her mother, Penny, she also managed to obtain the name

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of the street where Penny and Patrick had lived in the '80s,

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but when it came to remembering the house number,

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Penny's memory was hazy.

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She thought it was either number 31 or 13.

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So, who is it that you're looking for?

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With a name and address,

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the team should be able to crosscheck their records.

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Head researcher Dave Oates took up the case.

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We looked at both numbers

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and found nobody matching either the first name or the surname

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that she'd provided at either address,

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and because she was confident that he'd lived there for a few years,

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we were fairly certain she had the wrong address.

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Their search had hit a hurdle.

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Dave e-mailed Natalie the news.

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When I first got that e-mail,

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it was sort of a bit of a kick in the teeth.

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It was a bit upsetting.

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I know for sure she's quite good with dates and things like that.

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You know, I didn't quite know what to do at that point.

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It was back to the drawing board.

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With no solid address, the team had nothing to go on,

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but Dave had a brainwave.

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We were fairly certain she had the wrong address,

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so we asked her to look at the street

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and perhaps go in person to visit it with her mum,

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who knew the address, to see if she could establish which house it was.

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Today, Natalie and her boyfriend, Chris, are retracing the steps

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she made with her mother.

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They're revisiting the road in Wolverhampton where her mum

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and Patrick lived in the late '80s.

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Penny believed the house was number 13 or 31,

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but the search had drawn a blank.

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They hoped the visit would jog Penny's memory.

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Well, basically, Mum recognised that pub over there.

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-What, that one down there?

-On the corner.

-OK.

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The pub was the first clue.

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But there was, like, a garage station that she recognised,

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cos it was opposite the flat,

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so I think it's more down there, actually.

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-OK, so shall we head that way?

-Yeah.

-OK.

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Natalie's mother hadn't been back to the street in 25 years.

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-So, she's having to go through, like, little details of...

-Yeah.

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..how she came up the pathway to... Even just the route and things.

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Without the house number, there was no starting point to find her dad.

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And it was quite scary, actually, cos if...

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if she didn't remember, she was kind of like the last hope.

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Definitely getting really close.

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-Mm-hm.

-Cos we actually came to this point over here, as well.

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She literally had to stop and go, "Er... Right, no, we're going back.

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"We've got to go back."

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-This is the one over here.

-Oh, it's over here?

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-Yeah.

-Oh, nice.

-We were really excited when we saw it.

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It was just like, "Oh, my God! Oh, my God!"

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Then, I was like, "Are you sure?

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"Are you sure, Mum? Is this is the right address?"

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She was like, "Yeah, this is the right address." And that was...

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-So, as soon as she saw it...

-Yeah.

-As soon as she saw it, she knew.

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Yeah, she knew straight away.

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The magic number was 301, not 31 or 13,

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as Natalie's mum had previously thought.

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It was...it was like a...

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-I don't know, it was a very overwhelming moment.

-Yeah.

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-It really was.

-But, like you say, your mum needed to see this...

-Yeah.

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-..in order to just get anywhere.

-Yeah, but it was...

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It was a big moment, it really was.

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With the correct house number and name, the hunt was on,

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and back at HQ, the team kicked into action.

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Once we had that information, we were able to go back

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and look at that address historically, to find out

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who was living at that address during the 1980s.

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That did give us a name which, although it was Patrick,

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was a different surname to what she'd provided.

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And then, that enabled us to look further at that person,

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to try and find out more details.

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The team had found a match on the address from the '80s, but finding

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Patrick's current whereabouts was going to prove more difficult.

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They had to search through various sources of information,

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including national databases and public records.

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24 hours later, the team had found Patrick,

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and were quick to e-mail the good news to Natalie.

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'Straight away, I was on my phone reading it,'

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and I was just like, "Oh, my God."

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It was amazing. It says,

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"Please find below your report in relation to Patrick Norman Poole.

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"Our expert researchers have performed several searches

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"for this person and can supply you with the following information..."

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And then, it told me about my dad's marriage records.

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But Patrick hadn't just got married - there was more.

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They had children.

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Really exciting, cos you just... you're like, "Oh, my God, wow,

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"I've got siblings and stuff."

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Natalie had a stepsister and a stepbrother.

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That automatically was just really exciting.

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And then they've got his address in, like,

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really capital letters, very bold writing. And you're just like,

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"Oh, my God, there it is. I know where he is."

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The only thing left for Natalie to do was write a letter -

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easier said than done.

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The ball's in your court, as it were.

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Then that's scary cos you don't know whether to do it or not.

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That's the final, sort of, actual push. You know, you don't know...

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That's the part where you go, "Do I? Do I do this?"

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Natalie plucked up the courage and put pen to paper.

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Yeah, I did write the letter in the end, and it was nice.

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"Hello, Patrick Blagrove.

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"I didn't think this day would come.

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"I'm so happy to have finally found you." And I thought...

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I looked at the front of the envelope and I said to myself,

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"Hang on, is that my writing?

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"How come I've sent something to myself?"

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Anyway, I opened the letter, and presumed to read the letter.

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"My name is Natalie Barker.

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"I was born in New Cross." And then it...and the penny dropped.

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"No easy way to say it but you are my biological dad.

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"I hope you take the time to consider this letter,

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"as it may be one of the hardest letters to write,

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"by all means, and to let you know whether or not you would want to

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"build on some kind of relationship within the near future."

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I actually thought this day would never come.

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And then, from then on, I was just looking forward to seeing her.

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With the help of the professionals,

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Natalie had finally tracked down her biological father.

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But for our next case, things weren't so simple.

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The story starts 280 miles north, in the West of Scotland.

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This is Hugh McGarvey. He was born in Glasgow in 1947.

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I was born and raised in the East End of Glasgow,

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in a place called Shettleston.

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When Hugh was ten, the family moved a mile up the road to Barlanark.

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Along with my two younger brothers, William and Daniel,

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and I stayed there until I met Margaret.

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In 1968, Hugh met his childhood sweetheart.

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They were married four years later.

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I married Margaret on the 26th of June, 1972.

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Erm, don't ask me how many years that is together.

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I remember the anniversaries but I can't remember the years.

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We've got three children - Victoria, who will be 40 this year,

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Christopher's 37

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and Gillian, who's 36,

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and I've got one grandchild.

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Life is good at the moment and I'm quite happily retired as well.

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Cup of tea?

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Hugh's worked hard over the years

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to provide for his family.

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He's had a career in the construction industry, and served

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with the Reserve Parachute Regiment in the 15th Scottish Battalion.

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He's now enjoying family life at home,

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but, while his home life feels complete,

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there's been a hole in his family

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since he lost his mother 12 years ago.

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She was the last in line of the Scott family.

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However, Hugh's recently discovered a surprising family secret.

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I was quite gobsmacked to discover that I had a cousin

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and nobody had ever spoke about her.

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For Hugh, the discovery that there's a living member

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on the Scott side of his family has come as quite a surprise.

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Growing up in '50s Glasgow, and not aware that there's a cousin

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who's eight years older than you and a part of your family,

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but just totally unaware of that person's existence.

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What's more, this cousin's whereabouts

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were shrouded in mystery.

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No-one's ever spoke about her.

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Never met her, obviously, and to suddenly discover

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that you have someone, a part of your family,

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or a part of my...

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my mother's side of the family, if you will,

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I'm just overwhelmed by that.

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Hugh first made this shocking discovery eight months ago.

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It was my cousin, another cousin,

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an older, elderly cousin - Catherine.

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And she, when she was a young girl, could remember playing with

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another little girl in my gran's house,

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way, way, way back.

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And she says, "I think that was Josephine."

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Stay.

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For Hugh, this unexpected development

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held particular significance.

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Finding Josephine is very important

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because she's the last link in a chain to

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my mother's side of the family.

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There's no...there's no-one left.

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She's the only one that's left on my mother's side of the family.

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That in itself is a big factor.

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But knowing where to begin his search for Josephine

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was going to be a challenge.

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Probably if my mum was alive,

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she may have been able to explain a bit more,

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but to try and find someone that you didn't know existed,

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someone that you don't know,

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and how do you go about it?

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It is quite daunting, so I made it a point that I'd say,

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"Right, I'm going to try and find this lady."

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To crack this enigma, Hugh needed some basic details,

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but those were thin on the ground.

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When I began the search for Josephine, I had a name

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and a rough idea of the area she was born in.

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That's all I had, I had nothing else.

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But by speaking to his other cousin, Catherine, the girl who used to

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play with Josephine, he also learnt another vital detail.

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She says, "I know she wanted to become a nun when she was 15 or 16.

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"She left to go to Ireland to be a nun,

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"and no-one ever seen or heard of her since."

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Finding out that Josephine had been a nun was a mixed blessing,

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as Hugh felt this information

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carried worrying implications for his search.

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I know that nuns generally...

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It was missionary work and they travel all over the world,

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so she could be anywhere.

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Is she in this country?

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Is she in Africa or South America, or wherever?

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Hugh's search was going to be even more problematic

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than he'd first imagined.

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How to find someone, you know,

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the proverbial needle in a haystack...

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To find this needle in a haystack,

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Hugh started by doing some digging himself.

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If he could locate a birth certificate for Josephine,

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he would have something to work with.

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His first port of call was the City Registration Office,

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for births, deaths, marriages and civil partnerships.

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-Hi, there.

-Come in, take a seat, please.

-Thank you.

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With thousands of details on file,

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it was a good starting point to begin his search.

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Josephine Scott. She's a cousin and I've...I've never met her.

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Hugh knew where Josephine was born.

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-Erm, was she born in Scotland, Glasgow?

-Yeah, yeah.

-Yeah, OK.

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Name, it would be Scott.

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-And first name, please?

-Josephine.

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He also had an inkling about her mother's maiden name.

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I think it was Margaret McQuade.

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Maybe not, maybe Mary, but I think Margaret McQuade.

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Do you have a rough year when she was born?

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Late '30s, early '40s.

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By narrowing down their search to an eight-year birth period,

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it would hugely increase their chances of success,

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and, by an incredible stroke of luck,

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there was only one Josephine Scott born during this period in Glasgow.

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Erm, Josephine Scott, the full name.

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Uh-huh.

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And then date, 12th of June, 1941.

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The time of birth and the place of birth,

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which is 238 Thistle Street in Glasgow.

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The sex of the child is obviously female.

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And to confirm it was her,

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Josephine's parents were named on the certificate.

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Parentage details for father, first of all, Walter Lyle Scott.

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He was a motor lorry driver.

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And mother's details, Mary Margaret Scott,

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whose maiden surname was McQuade.

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-Mm-hm.

-And then the informant was the father, Walter,

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so, he's signed Walter L Scott.

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It was the breakthrough Hugh needed...

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..but that was just the first part of the puzzle.

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Given Josephine's career as a nun, Hugh was no closer to knowing

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what corner of the globe she might be on now,

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so he got in contact with the professionals...

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..400 miles away, in London.

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Hi, it's the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service.

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The Salvation Army helps bring together over 2,000 families a year.

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Who are you trying to trace?

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Some cases can take as little as two days to solve.

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Others can take a lifetime.

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Putting people back in contact, it is a special moment,

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and especially one like this case,

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which I felt was going to be extremely difficult.

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Some cases can be a lot quicker.

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We just cannot put a time limit on a case.

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Armed with the birth certificate and the slim information he had

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obtained from cousin Catherine, Hugh handed over his findings.

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'In this case, he provided us with Josephine's birth name,'

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her date of birth, a last known address that she was known to be at,

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and also, that Josephine went to a convent in Ireland

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in the 1950s, and that was the last the family had heard of her.

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It wasn't much to go on,

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but enough for the team to begin the arduous task.

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Doing research under the surname Scott,

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and also, we have connections with Glasgow, Ireland and England,

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that would have been a lot of records to check.

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Even for the professionals, the case was going to be a challenge.

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I decided that I would go along the lines that possibly

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Josephine hadn't married,

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so I tried a line of enquiry straightaway

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which was available to us, which came back with a negative result.

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With searches coming up blank, the team were running out of options.

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Their next move was to enlist the help of

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one of a number of specialist companies that they work with.

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And the good news was, they found a match.

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I was overjoyed because I really felt this was going to be

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an impossible search to do,

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so when I had found her

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I was absolutely delighted.

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Hugh received the news the next day.

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"Dear Mr McGarvey, further to the enquiries we are

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"making on your behalf, we are pleased to be able to inform you

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"that we have succeeded in contacting your cousin Josephine."

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It says, "They've been given your own details

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"and we do hope that very soon you'll be in touch with each other."

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When I got that,

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I could have fell on my back.

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That is an absolutely incredible...

0:21:410:21:43

I haven't met Josephine yet, but I, honestly,

0:21:430:21:46

I'm looking forward to it, but that...

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The emotions that were running through,

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I can't explain them. I can't, I really can't.

0:21:500:21:53

'I couldn't believe it. I got a handwritten letter.

0:21:530:21:56

'Just out of the blue he's written to me

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'to say he'd like to get in touch with me.

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'I never dreamt for a minute that I had any relatives

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'on the other side of the family.'

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The fact that Hugh's found me

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is really the best thing that probably happened to me.

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Made up my mind, you know, right away.

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I had no hesitation - I was going to do it, you know.

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But where was Josephine living now?

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Had life as a nun taken her overseas?

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Me thinking that she's been in Africa and all over the world,

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or where she was somewhere,

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maybe in some place in South America or wherever.

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But Hugh could never have imagined that Josephine would have

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ended up where she did.

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And here she is, she's on the South Side of Glasgow.

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It turned out she was right on his doorstep all along.

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She's only about six miles away from me.

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That nearly floored me.

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It is just mind-boggling, mind-boggling.

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Josephine's story begins just a stone's throw from where

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Hugh was born, with her parents' marriage in 1940.

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I grew up in Glasgow - Thistle Street in the Gorbals.

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But it wasn't a conventional matrimony.

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My mum and dad ran away to get married

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because he was a Protestant and my mother was a Catholic.

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In the early 1940s,

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mixed-faith marriages weren't commonplace in the west of Scotland.

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My granny's brothers and sisters,

0:23:350:23:38

I think they thought it was shocking

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that my mother would do that.

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It wasn't the kind of thing to do in they days, you know.

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And couples like Josephine's parents

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would have feared a level of prejudice from both sides.

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Sectarianism has been an issue in Glasgow over,

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certainly throughout the 1900s,

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and not just Glasgow, but the West Central Scotland.

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The divide between Catholics and Protestants is referred to

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as sectarianism and is visible at certain points in Scottish history.

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It came about through the arrival of the Irish

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to seek jobs in Scotland.

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Ireland was a very rural place at that time,

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and remained so for most of that century,

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whereas Scotland was in the throes of the Industrial Revolution.

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Social tensions arose in areas

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which saw a large influx of Irish immigrants.

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People did tend to - as immigrants do today -

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did tend to settle in particular areas,

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so it created concentrations

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which became known as Catholic or green areas,

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and where there was rivalry,

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or problems with the neighbouring indigenous population,

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who were largely Presbyterian and Protestant at this time.

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This led to the beginnings of what we can call now sectarian troubles.

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But it wasn't just religion that the Irish brought with them

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from across the sea.

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It wasn't simply because people were Catholic

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and others were Protestant, it was also due to the fact that

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people were arriving with different attitudes, different customs.

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It did create some resentment amongst the existing working class,

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and indeed, middle classes of the time, in Scotland.

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Over the next 100 years, both churches

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and their propaganda added fuel to the fire.

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And both on the Catholic side and the Presbyterian side,

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for a long time, they were saying,

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"No, we should not be marrying the other side," if you like.

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And as late as 1923, the Church of Scotland had a pamphlet which

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was declaring that the Irish race in Scotland were uncivilised

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and undermining the moral wellbeing of the people in Scotland.

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By the 1940s, it remained somewhat taboo to marry

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outside your faith, but where there was a will, there was a way.

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In the course of my genealogy work,

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I do come across mixed marriages between

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people who are evidently Catholic and people who are Protestant.

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You look at the record and you think,

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"What kind of trouble would that have caused in the family?"

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You know, would it have had parental approval?

0:26:160:26:18

Would it have had church approval?

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Would they have had to bring their children up in that religion?

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So, it's an added layer of complication within a family,

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and could indeed lead to division within the family.

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Ultimately, people might get disowned.

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This was a dilemma which drew a wedge between many

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families in the 20th century.

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It's unclear how Josephine's parents' elopement was received

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but, once married, the pair were keen to have children of their own,

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and Josephine was born just a year later.

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But sadly, family life was short-lived.

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My dad was going into a garage

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and another person was coming out of the garage,

0:27:030:27:06

but he was doing it the wrong way, and they crashed right into my dad.

0:27:060:27:10

Josephine's father didn't survive the accident.

0:27:100:27:13

His ribs went through his heart.

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He was killed when I was eight months old.

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Just a baby when the tragedy struck,

0:27:190:27:21

Josephine has no memory of her father.

0:27:210:27:24

I've not got any photographs of my dad,

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and I saw one, one time only,

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and I don't know what happened to it after that.

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Josephine found solace in religion.

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When she was 20, she decided to become a nun,

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and against her mother's wishes

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she travelled to a convent in Ireland.

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I left Glasgow on the 30th of January, 1962,

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and we took the boat over.

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She spent the next seven years completing her vows,

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but things didn't go to plan.

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Josephine fell in love with a priest

0:28:030:28:06

and decided the sisterhood wasn't her calling.

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She returned to Glasgow, where she still lives to this day.

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Now in her 70s, there's one bit of history

0:28:140:28:17

Josephine wants to track down for herself.

0:28:170:28:20

'I've not got any photographs of my dad.

0:28:200:28:22

'It would be nice to see my dad again.'

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Will her reunion with Hugh

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help her find the final piece of the puzzle?

0:28:270:28:30

260 miles away, in Wolverhampton, a team of Family Finders has

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also helped Natalie Barker track down her biological father, Patrick.

0:28:390:28:44

A week after receiving Natalie's letter,

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father and daughter agreed to meet up.

0:28:480:28:51

First time I was waiting for my dad to arrive,

0:28:510:28:53

it was really, really nerve-racking.

0:28:530:28:57

Like, every single hour that went by, I was checking the time

0:28:570:29:01

and just watching the minutes go really, really slowly.

0:29:010:29:03

I was like, "Oh, come on!"

0:29:030:29:06

The pair haven't seen one another for almost a quarter of a century.

0:29:060:29:10

You've got this image in your head beforehand that you have

0:29:100:29:13

probably when you're younger.

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That image, you know, now, could go one way or the other.

0:29:140:29:18

You know, it could be good or bad.

0:29:180:29:20

But the first time I actually went to Natalie's, slight nervousness.

0:29:200:29:24

I was more or less thinking about the response.

0:29:240:29:27

Today, they're meeting for only the third time.

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BELL BUZZES Oh, my God, every time.

0:29:300:29:33

Every single time.

0:29:330:29:35

Hello.

0:29:370:29:38

Hello, Natalie. Dad speaking.

0:29:380:29:41

Hiya!

0:29:410:29:42

All right, I'll come down.

0:29:420:29:44

'25 years, what I've missed out, and it's suddenly come together,

0:29:450:29:49

'and I've sort of embraced it.'

0:29:490:29:51

Natalie and Patrick are making up for lost time,

0:29:530:29:57

and they've got more in common than they imagined.

0:29:570:30:01

These are all from, like, when I used to do cross-country.

0:30:010:30:04

God, do you know something? I used to do that when I was small.

0:30:040:30:08

-Oh, my gosh.

-I didn't realise you were a cross-country runner.

-Yup.

0:30:080:30:12

I didn't intend to be a cross-country runner, but...

0:30:120:30:14

until the teacher put me in a race, and then I found,

0:30:140:30:17

next thing, I was coming second.

0:30:170:30:19

Then I went on to being a 400m runner,

0:30:190:30:23

which I liked, but 800m is my field.

0:30:230:30:26

Ah, I see you came first.

0:30:290:30:31

Yeah, I'm first for that one. My God.

0:30:310:30:33

-It's nice being your dad, though.

-Mm.

-You've got some medals.

0:30:330:30:37

Yeah, what you need is a trophy cabinet,

0:30:370:30:38

-I'll have to get you a trophy cabinet.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

0:30:380:30:41

-As you can see...

-Patrick's brought the family photo album along

0:30:430:30:46

to share his history with Natalie.

0:30:460:30:49

This is me when I was, obviously...I think four.

0:30:490:30:53

Does it look like me?

0:30:570:30:59

Can you see?

0:30:590:31:00

-Yeah.

-My brother

0:31:000:31:02

and your grandad and your grandma.

0:31:020:31:05

-That's my mother's brother.

-Aw...

0:31:050:31:08

For the first time,

0:31:080:31:10

she's learning about her family heritage on her father's side.

0:31:100:31:13

My dad, obviously, comes from Hanover in Jamaica...

0:31:130:31:17

-Hm.

-..and my mum comes from Saint Ann's in Jamaica,

0:31:170:31:19

but they, like I said, they met over here.

0:31:190:31:21

They were in their early 20s when they first come over here.

0:31:210:31:24

During the 1960s, the British government encouraged

0:31:250:31:28

skilled workers from the Commonwealth to come to Britain.

0:31:280:31:32

Many migrants found work in the factories of Wolverhampton.

0:31:320:31:36

Patrick's parents were among these workers, looking for a new life.

0:31:360:31:42

I'm the oldest of four boys over here.

0:31:420:31:44

-Is that you as well?

-This is me now with my Afro.

0:31:440:31:48

Those days, everybody used to wear the Afro and the curls.

0:31:480:31:51

-The Jheri curls?

-Yeah.

-SHE LAUGHS

0:31:510:31:53

And they put...what you call perms. A perm, isn't it?

0:31:530:31:57

I used to have... You can see I've got an Afro there,

0:31:570:31:59

-and my red trousers, look.

-SHE LAUGHS

0:31:590:32:01

People used to wear coloured trousers back in the '70s.

0:32:010:32:03

It's all right, they're back in fashion, they are.

0:32:030:32:06

-They've come back.

-Oh, well, they've probably pinched it off me.

0:32:060:32:08

How did you find it growing up in Wolverhampton?

0:32:080:32:11

When it came to, obviously, culture differences and things, and...

0:32:110:32:14

We adapted to culture differences.

0:32:140:32:16

My parents have always adapted to the English way of life.

0:32:160:32:20

-That's when... Basically, that's what I've always been taught.

-Hm.

0:32:200:32:24

So I've got the best of both worlds, really.

0:32:240:32:27

I've learned the West Indian way

0:32:270:32:29

-and I've learned the English way.

-Hm.

0:32:290:32:31

Having started her search with just a name and half an address,

0:32:310:32:35

Natalie can now look forward to

0:32:350:32:37

a new chapter of her life with Patrick.

0:32:370:32:39

If you have a missing family member and want to trace them,

0:32:470:32:50

here are some helpful tips when carrying out name searches.

0:32:500:32:55

Never assume a family name is only spelt one way.

0:32:550:32:58

Family names can be spelt in a number of different ways

0:32:590:33:03

and it's not unusual to find mistakes have been made,

0:33:030:33:06

often by those recording them.

0:33:060:33:09

Smith can be Smyth,

0:33:090:33:12

Rawlins can be Rawlings,

0:33:120:33:14

and Kitson can be Kidston.

0:33:140:33:16

Not only this, but names have evolved and changed over time.

0:33:180:33:22

Individuals may marry and hyphenate a surname.

0:33:240:33:27

They may become known by a nickname or they may decide to

0:33:270:33:30

call themselves something different altogether.

0:33:300:33:33

Make sure you check all the phonetic variations, just in case.

0:33:330:33:38

Although this is time-consuming,

0:33:380:33:40

the results could make it all worthwhile.

0:33:400:33:42

In Wolverhampton, Natalie's search for her father is over.

0:33:470:33:51

She's reflecting on the journey with her boyfriend, Chris.

0:33:510:33:54

You've been wanting to find your family since, like,

0:33:540:33:57

since I've known you.

0:33:570:33:58

I think once I found him it was, like, you know,

0:34:000:34:03

"Oh, OK. We can... We can handle anything now. It's fine."

0:34:030:34:07

With her new-found confidence, the couple have some very exciting news.

0:34:100:34:14

You know, I... I was going to marry her anyway.

0:34:140:34:17

You know...

0:34:170:34:18

Natalie and Chris have decided to tie the knot.

0:34:180:34:21

She's found her dad and that's really helped,

0:34:210:34:24

-just...just with you.

-Hm.

0:34:240:34:27

You know, cos I felt complete, it's like...

0:34:270:34:30

it has allowed us to kind of move on

0:34:300:34:33

to the next part of our lives together, type of thing.

0:34:330:34:35

I have noticed a marked improvement in just how you feel about yourself.

0:34:350:34:40

Him coming to my wedding is just, like, it's good.

0:34:400:34:43

It's good, it's very good.

0:34:430:34:45

It's been an eventful year for Natalie,

0:34:460:34:49

and before she takes the plunge,

0:34:490:34:51

she's invited Patrick to view the venue.

0:34:510:34:53

-Oh, so... Oh, this is the room...

-Yeah.

0:34:550:34:56

-..that you're getting married in.

-Ooh.

0:34:560:34:58

Oh, that's beautiful.

0:34:580:35:00

Oh, it's lovely, that.

0:35:000:35:03

Natalie has a very important question for her father.

0:35:030:35:07

What I was hoping as well, though,

0:35:070:35:08

is to have you and Mum walk me down the aisle.

0:35:080:35:12

-At least then, like, Mum, you know, brought me up and stuff...

-Mm.

0:35:120:35:17

And then, you... I want the future as well, you know?

0:35:170:35:20

-Yeah, I've got you.

-And you're to be part of that, so...

0:35:200:35:22

-I'll be honest, I'm proud.

-Aw...

0:35:240:35:27

Yeah, so I'll give you a kiss.

0:35:270:35:29

-Oh.

-It's a proud moment for Dad.

0:35:310:35:34

Having both my dad and my mum walk me down the aisle,

0:35:350:35:40

I think it's...

0:35:400:35:41

it's a nice symbolic moment because in a sense,

0:35:410:35:44

not only am I getting married,

0:35:440:35:47

it's a new beginning.

0:35:470:35:48

You know, he's going to be there for the future, as well.

0:35:480:35:52

I'll be honest, I didn't expect it. You surprised me.

0:35:520:35:55

'I'm so pleased that Natalie's found me,'

0:35:550:35:57

and to now be part of her celebration and part of the wedding,

0:35:570:36:02

and to be giving her away, as well.

0:36:020:36:03

They're getting married.

0:36:030:36:05

'In some respects I'm a bit nervous,'

0:36:050:36:07

cos, obviously, you know, they haven't seen each other

0:36:070:36:10

for a long time, but at the same time,

0:36:100:36:14

I know it's a fresh start.

0:36:140:36:16

For them to see each other after how many years and just be like,

0:36:160:36:20

"Yeah, we did it."

0:36:200:36:21

What dad wouldn't be proud?

0:36:220:36:24

When I set out to find my dad, it was difficult.

0:36:240:36:29

Like, the mix of emotions that come with it is tremendous.

0:36:290:36:35

It's been the final piece of the puzzle for my life, really,

0:36:350:36:38

and now it's time to start a new chapter.

0:36:380:36:41

-The future's going to be bright.

-Yeah.

-Thank you very much.

0:36:410:36:44

It's all right.

0:36:440:36:46

They're getting married.

0:36:460:36:47

With the help of the Salvation Army,

0:36:540:36:56

Hugh McGarvey is also looking forward to

0:36:560:36:58

a new chapter in his life.

0:36:580:37:01

His hunt for Josephine is almost over,

0:37:010:37:05

and his daughters are keen to hear his findings.

0:37:050:37:08

-So, what is her name? What's her full name?

-Josephine Scott.

0:37:080:37:11

-And they found her?

-Well, yeah.

0:37:110:37:13

Where is she?

0:37:130:37:15

She's in Glasgow, believe it or not.

0:37:150:37:18

His search has thrown up some surprising details.

0:37:180:37:21

How did Catherine know about her?

0:37:210:37:22

Well, cos she's the same age as Catherine.

0:37:220:37:24

She can vaguely remember playing with a wee girl

0:37:240:37:27

up in your great-gran's house.

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It was his cousin Catherine who unlocked the mystery of

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Hugh's missing cousin Josephine.

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I think my dad's search is amazing.

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Erm, I never actually knew that he was embarking on this

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until a couple of days ago.

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She'd quite a remarkable life. As I say, she did become a nun...

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The fact that he knew that she existed

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and that he'd asked the Salvation Army to help him find her is...

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well, it's quite awesome.

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She's your gran's brother's daughter, the Scott side of the family.

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For Hugh, finding Josephine holds particular significance,

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as she is the last living relative from his maternal line.

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-What do I do, do I take flowers?

-Aye.

-I was going to say,

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what are you going to take? Maybe some flowers and a box of chocolates

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-or a box of shortbread...

-I would have taken flowers.

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Not take a bottle of malt whisky

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-or anything, no?

-No, no, do you know what I mean?

-OK.

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Having lived parallel lives for the past 70 years,

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not knowing the other existed,

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the cousins are about to meet for the first time.

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Fingers crossed it will be good, but nervous, yeah.

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Yeah, I'm fairly nervous.

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You know, I did over 200 parachute jumps.

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My first one, I was absolutely terrified.

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I'm just as nervous as that first parachute drop.

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Very excited about meeting Hugh.

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I'm dying to see him, actually.

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I don't know whether he'll feel the same.

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And Hugh's not the only person

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Josephine will be reunited with today.

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I've got some photographs here,

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and I know that she hasn't got a...

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From what I gather, she's not got a photograph of her dad.

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So here I am in a taxi, going to visit a cousin I've never met,

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roughly 25 minutes away from where I stay, and I don't...

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I thought she was maybe in Africa or South America,

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could have been anywhere in the world.

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Oh, it is very, very important to me, you know,

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because he is a member of my family. He's my dad's nephew, you know?

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I don't know, has he got a full head of hair?

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I don't know. Not that I've got a full head of hair!

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Yeah, this is it...

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the final...few steps till I meet my cousin.

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-INTERCOM BEEPS

-Josephine's had little contact

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with her close family

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but, thanks to Hugh, all that's about to change.

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Hello.

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Josephine, it's Hugh.

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-Right.

-INTERCOM BEEPS

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I'm very excited.

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-Hello.

-Josephine.

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-Hi.

-I finally see you.

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-Hi.

-Hi, how are you?

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-You've had a long wait.

-Yeah.

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Oh, you're right there, a long wait.

0:40:260:40:28

-Great to see you.

-That's great.

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And these are for you.

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Oh, that's lovely. Thanks very much, Hugh.

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You've no idea what this is like today,

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-what this is for me.

-I know.

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-Hm, hm, hm.

-KISSING SOUND

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-At last, cousin.

-At last, aye.

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At last, long last.

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I'm 68 years of age, she's 75 years of age and we're just starting off.

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This is a new adventure.

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-So you've came back to Glasgow... about 1970?

-Aye.

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-And we're now into, what, 2015?

-Aye.

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45 years you've been in Glasgow.

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-Uh-huh.

-And you stay 20 minutes away.

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-I know.

-I just find that absolutely...

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-You know, it's mind-boggling.

-Aye.

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-Hopefully, we can make up for lost time.

-I know, I know.

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I'm so thankful that I've finally found you.

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And Hugh has just the thing to get them started.

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And you said you didn't have many photographs of your dad?

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-No, only ever seen one.

-Did you?

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I've got some old photos here.

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Oh, that's lovely.

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This is the first time Josephine will have seen her father

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since she was a child.

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That's one of them, with a friend, without his moustache.

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Oh, aye.

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And there he was, as clear as a bell,

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and I knew as soon as I looked at it, it was my dad.

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You know, just knew by looking at it.

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-His hair's all...

-And that's the other one there.

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-The Errol Flynn one.

-Oh, that's the one that I remember, aye.

0:41:460:41:49

-Yeah?

-That's the one I like.

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-You know, that's quite imprinted on my memory, this.

-That one?

0:41:520:41:55

-Yeah.

-You know, I remember that.

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-What?

-The moustache, you know.

-Yeah.

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That was very, very like the one that my mum showed me.

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-You haven't seen that photograph since you were seven years old?

-No.

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-About that, uh-huh, roughly.

-Right, so that's 68 years ago.

-Is it?

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-Aye, yeah.

-That's absolutely incredible.

-I know.

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Showing Josephine photos of her dad was...

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I was actually pretty gobsmacked when I discovered that the last time

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she'd seen a photograph of her dad, she was seven years old.

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-My...

-And my mother always told me how good-looking he was.

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-Yeah, well, he looks a handsome lad, doesn't he?

-Aye, aye.

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-The last link in the Scott family...

-Aye, aye, aye.

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The final link will go on from here.

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Long-lost cousin, at last.

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Everybody's going to know. You'll be famous.

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So there's a whole new chapter to start again.

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-You ready?

-Right, aye.

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SHUTTER CLICKS I can't wait to get her over

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to meet everyone, because she's got extended family over there.

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-Aye.

-There we go.

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For Josephine, after years of feeling alone,

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it's the start of a new family adventure,

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with Hugh right by her side.

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I just...I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of my family.

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I'm really glad, glad it all happened. It was worth at all.

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You know, it really was.

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LAUGHTER

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