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Families can be driven apart for all manner of reasons.

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Oh, I had no information at all about where my mum went.

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And when you do lose touch with your loved ones...

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You don't know who you are, where you've come from.

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..finding them can take a lifetime...

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I might have a brother that's still living here.

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..especially when they could be anywhere, at home or abroad.

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And that's where the Family Finders come in.

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From international organisations...

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Hi, it's The Salvation Army Family Tracing Service.

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..to genealogy detective agencies...

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For someone to say that it's changed their life,

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it makes coming to work, you know, really, really special.

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..and dedicated one-man bands...

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It's a matter of how much effort you really want to put into it,

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how badly you want to solve the problem.

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..they hunt through history to bring families back together again.

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Finding new family is wonderful.

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In this series, we follow the work of the Family Finders.

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Suddenly, you get one spark of breakthrough and there they are.

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Learning the tricks they use

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to track missing relatives through time...

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I didn't think I'd ever find sisters, but I have.

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..and meeting the people whose lives they change along the way.

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I've been waiting to meet John my whole life.

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Since we've met, I feel part of a family again.

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You've just completed my life for me.

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In the search for long-lost relatives,

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if finding a distant family member can be an extraordinary moment,

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then finding a sibling can be a momentous event.

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Across the UK, there are hundreds of organisations who specialise

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in bringing brothers and sisters who have lost touch back together.

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But many people decide to turn family finder on their own.

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Today, we follow two stories of sisters who started out

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by doing it for themselves.

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First, we meet Jacqueline, whose quest to find out about her

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birth mother uncovered a sibling she never knew she had.

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Suddenly, there was someone in my life...

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..who I could identify with, really.

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I cried.

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And it was my sister.

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And we follow the story of Teresa and Tracey as they search

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for the sister they haven't seen for 40 years.

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-I've got butterflies in my stomach.

-Have you?

-What about you?

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Uh, I've got a massive moth, I think.

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Oh, this is getting almost unbearable.

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Actress Jacqueline Clarke has spent a career playing out the fictional

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dramas of other people's lives on both stage and screen.

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But the true story of Jacqueline's own family life has also taken

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several dramatic turns.

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She was born in 1942 and grew up in south-west London.

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I remember my mother always, because she was a pianist,

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playing in the morning, which was glorious,

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so I was brought up with a lot of music.

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Not that I understood much about classical.

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And I remember going down to the local sweet shop with my father

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because we had coupons in those days, it's just after the war.

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While Jacqueline was still a young child, her mother revealed

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something that was to change her world forever.

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I was nine when I was told and she called me in from the garden.

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She said, "Sit down, darling, I want to tell you something.

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"It's something important. Your father didn't want to tell you,

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"but I think it's important that you know."

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And then she said, "Do you know Daddy and I adopted you?"

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"Your mother was a young girl

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"and she couldn't keep you, darling, and we went and chose you,

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"you're very special and we love you very much." All that went on.

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And I said, "So, do you mean I don't belong to you?"

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And she said, "Well, you do belong to us, darling, of course, you do."

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I went to the bottom of the garden and sobbed.

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I was...

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..so disappointed that they weren't my real mummy and daddy.

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And I thought, "OK, it's all right, you know, it'll be fine."

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And I thought, "I'm not going to talk to them about it,"

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because I know my mother found it so difficult to tell me

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because Father really didn't want to tell me.

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And I thought, "OK, it'll be all right."

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OK, then got myself together and decided, that's it, I'll just go in.

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I went in and had tea and it was never spoken about.

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Jacqueline's parents never mentioned her history again,

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and she put it to the back of her mind.

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During my teenage years, during growing up, getting married,

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it never crossed my brain about even thinking about finding out

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about my birth family at all.

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It was only after that my father died that I sort of thought,

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"Ooh, I might want to know about it," but I wouldn't have done

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because Mother was still alive.

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When she died five years later, then I thought, "Hmm."

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After the death of her adoptive parents,

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Jacqueline decided to search for her biological mother.

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She employed a professional family finder

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and, eight months later, received a call.

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My genealogist said,

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"Are you sitting down and have you someone with you?"

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I thought, "Well, why do I need that?"

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So I didn't sit down and I didn't have anybody with me

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and I rang and I was told,

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did I know I had a sister?

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30 miles away in Reading, siblings Tracey and Teresa knew

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nothing about an older sister

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until a knock on the door one day in 1974.

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Our parents, they'd gone out shopping

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and I can remember before they went, our mum said,

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"If anyone knocks on the door, don't answer the door."

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And lo and behold, there was a knock on the door

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and this couple at the doorstep, and a lady with dark hair,

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that's all I can remember and they asked, "Is your mum and dad in?"

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It was like, "No. Sorry, Mummy's not back.

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"They'll be back in half an hour."

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And then my mum and dad came back from the shops,

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they greeted them as if they knew each other.

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I can remember feeling as a little child thinking,

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"How come they know them? I don't know them.

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"I've never seen them before. Who's that?"

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It wasn't until some months later that the girls learnt

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the true identity of the mysterious lady called Lesley

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who had turned up at their door.

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Our dad sat us down and said,

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"Actually, Lesley is your sister." He was married before.

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-So, that was the first...

-That was the first we knew.

-Yeah.

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Teresa and Tracey began to build a relationship with their

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17-year-old big sister, Lesley.

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It was quite exciting to know that we had another sister.

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I used to love going round there and staying overnight.

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We remember going to a function.

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-We are assuming it was her wedding that we attended.

-Hm.

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But Lesley didn't stay in their lives for long.

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After Tracey and Teresa's parents moved house, they lost contact.

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As the years went by, Teresa and Tracey grew up

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and started families of their own, but thoughts of their

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long-lost sister were never far from their mind.

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We've always wondered where Lesley was,

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always wanted to know how she was and where she was.

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So ten years ago, after taking up genealogy as a hobby,

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Teresa decided to look for Lesley.

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Teresa started with the two things she knew about their older sister.

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First, her name at birth, Lesley Probert.

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Secondly, because Teresa and Tracey thought they remembered being

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at her wedding, they assumed Lesley had married.

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I found her birth and I found her birth certificate,

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but I was trying to find her marriage.

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And we were pretty sure it was around 1974. I tried everything.

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I thought maybe she'd reverted back to her mum's maiden name

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or anything like that but no.

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-We just drew a blank.

-We just drew a blank, yeah.

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Then in October 2015, something happened that was to make

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their quest to find their sister all the more urgent.

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Brian, the father they shared with Lesley, died.

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I felt that she deserved to know that her dad had passed away,

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whether she had a relationship with him or not.

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You know...

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I think you've got to know these things, haven't you?

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Desperate to find their sister, it was then that Tracey and Teresa

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turned to a professional family finding company.

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But would the professionals have any more luck in tracing Lesley

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than Teresa and Tracey?

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All this waiting and finally...it's going to happen, isn't it?

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Oh, my God!

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Television and theatre actress Jacqueline Clarke hadn't been

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looking for siblings when she started delving into the

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circumstances surrounding her adoption, but now it looked like

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she had uncovered a sister she never knew she had.

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I didn't cry, strangely enough, which I thought I might blub,

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but I didn't and I thought, "Wow!"

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But because that sister was an unknown being,

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I didn't even think what she might look like,

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I didn't think anything about it.

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I just thought, "Oh, this is wonderful,"

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cos I'd always wanted a sister.

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And I thought, "Oh, this is another adventure and I've

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"got to follow this one up."

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The next stage was to make contact.

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The genealogist wrote a letter to the woman she suspected

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to be Jacqueline's sister.

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70 miles away that letter landed on the mat of Sylvia Bowman.

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When I opened it, that was a shock.

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It was from an adoption agency

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questioning if I could kindly help

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because they were seeking some

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relatives from a person named Valerie.

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When I saw that name...

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Well, I did, I cried.

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And it was my sister.

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MOUTHS

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Sorry.

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And this lady asked me...

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..if I wanted to find her.

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Anyway, yes, I did. She had given me a date.

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I couldn't wait for two o'clock.

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Then suddenly, the phone goes and it's two o'clock, dead on two

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and I pick it up and I hear, "Could I speak to Mrs Gosney, please?"

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And I went, "Hello, Sister."

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She went, "Oh, I don't believe it!"

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Jacqueline had found her sister and now they had made contact,

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the sisters could start filling in the blanks about just what

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had happened 70 years ago.

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Sylvia was born two years before Jacqueline.

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She was adopted at the age of four.

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Being told I was adopted was because of my friend, close friend,

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she was adopted too.

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And so, I remember talking about her and saying to my mother that she

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was adopted and I probably wasn't aware what it meant.

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So then Mum chose to tell me that I was similar to her,

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that I was adopted, they cared for me.

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Now after 70 years apart, the two sisters were back in touch.

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They wasted no time in meeting up.

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We were going up the stairs and my daughter as we just got to the

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top of the stairs said, "Mummy, she's here."

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Fell into each other's arms, that was it. Just spontaneously.

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I can't believe it.

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We hugged and we cried.

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And then we went for a drink and we just stayed there for hours...

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..just talking and laughing.

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And she is such a live wire. She's lovely. And it just clicked.

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You're never quite sure how long you've got to look at each other

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cos I thought, "Oh, that's what you look like."

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I was really chuffed. She looked great.

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And we chatted from 11.30 to 3.45.

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It's as if I'd known her for years.

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No airs and graces, it was just so natural

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and so lovely.

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The newly reunited sisters still have lots to catch up on.

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Today, they are meeting up again to find out more about

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the years they spent apart.

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I have never seen photographs of Jacq's album and her life

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and I've also brought a few of mine.

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So, yes, it should be a giggle.

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SHE GIGGLES

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-Hello! Come in.

-Thank you!

-Sweetie, what you got? Ooh!

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-Love you to bits! Come in, come in.

-Thank you.

-Come sit down.

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Right, I want you to really understand what I was like

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when I was first adopted, OK? Here we go.

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-Oh, wow!

-SYLVIA LAUGHS

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I'm just worried about my mouth being opened, but perhaps I was...

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-Well, that's not... That's not old, is it?

-No.

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-It's never been closed since, has it?

-How lovely is that?

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But, look, you've got to see this, which is hilarious.

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That's what I'm really like now, though. Have you got one like that?

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-A little bit older, I would say.

-Ah!

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That's lovely. I do look quite sweet, do I not?

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-Yes.

-Apparently I was a very...

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One changes as they get older, don't they?

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-That was me at school as a prefect.

-I was one as well.

-Were you?

-Yes.

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-How long for?

-Three years.

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-This is in Weybridge.

-Is that you?

-Yes.

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You've always remained a corker.

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-Gosh, you were pretty, darling.

-I like that I "was".

-And still are.

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Somebody said to me, "You used to be quite attractive."

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They said that to me other day. I said, "Thank you." Anyway...

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-But the real ones.

-Ooh.

-Yes.

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-And that's you there by the sea. Where did you go?

-Pagham.

-Yeah.

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You ought to see the sort of caravan we stayed in.

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-You stayed in a caravan?

-SYLVIA LAUGHS

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-They're real old-fashioned, though, today.

-A little round one.

-Yeah.

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-That was my mum.

-That's your mum? Oh, that's your mum.

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That's Tess, the dog. That's...

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-Is that your mother?

-It is.

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-Ironing and she's got a fag in the mouth.

-I know.

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My mother used to smoke, but she gave up.

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No, Mum used to smoke a lot.

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-Love the knickers. Look at that.

-No, that was a knitted bathing costume.

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Every time I went into the water, it stretched!

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-Brilliant!

-I know. It was yellow and brown. I felt like a bumblebee.

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Not a good colour. How awful.

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Finally, the sisters have one last piece of their family puzzle

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to put into place today.

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They're going to see the house where their mother lived

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when they were both born.

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That's where we used to live all those years and years ago.

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-I don't remember a thing.

-You don't remember anything.

-No.

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Well, there you go, Mum.

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We're back.

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-Little did you think we would be.

-Yeah.

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Yes, I was actually born there, so that's a full circle now.

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Wow, all these years later. 74, in fact.

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Yes.

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I find finding Jacq's a whole new life,

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a whole new venture for me and my family.

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She is great.

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Ooh, it has been a long journey, but it's been remarkable having met

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my sister and I think we both needed to be here together today

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and I think that will make it even more of a cemented thing,

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that we actually know this is the place we both were

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when we were very small.

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Incessantly we say it's great to have found each other, don't we?

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Yes. Ooh, I'm so lucky, it's great.

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We're both lucky.

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And the fact that we get on so well.

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Yeah, we do, don't we?

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We laugh a lot, we chat a lot, we're everything...

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And I just know we can always be together

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and confide in each other and be there for each other.

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Yeah. Always.

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-Yes, we're proud.

-It's good.

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Enough.

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In you go, Sis.

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In Reading, Tracey and Teresa's search for their long lost

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half-sister Lesley had hit a brick wall.

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Very frustrating because I got

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folders galore, certificates galore, but the one person

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I was really trying to find, I couldn't find.

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After the death of their shared father,

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they made one final attempt to find her

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this time with the help of a professional family finding company.

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There wasn't a match for Lesley with the surname that she was born with.

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We then started to look at her mother and what she'd done

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after the separation from Lesley's father

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and found that she'd remarried in the 1960s and saw that

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her surname had changed.

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The researchers discovered that Lesley had officially adopted

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her stepfather's surname.

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This is why Teresa and Tracey hadn't been able to find her.

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So, although this was a fairly short trace,

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we did find an awful lot of information and there was

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a lot to get through before we were then able to go away

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and trace her to her current address.

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The best part of our job is being able to phone our clients

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and tell them that we've been successful in the search.

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So it's wonderful for us to be able to do it because

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we know how much it means to the people that come to us.

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It was absolutely amazing because I spoke to her in the morning and

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by the afternoon, she had found out what Lesley had changed her

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name to and tracked her down and, yeah, found her within 24 hours.

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It was just...you know, amazing.

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-You phoned me, I was in the high street.

-Yes.

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And I let out a big scream in the middle of the high street.

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The family finding company contacted the Lesley they had found

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to confirm she was the right person.

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When I spoke to the lady on the phone, she said,

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"Do you know this Lesley Probert?" I said, "Yeah, it's me."

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"Do you know a Teresa and Tracey?" I said, "Yeah, they're my sisters."

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And she said, "Thank God we found you."

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And I thought they must've been looking for me.

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I don't know how long they'd been looking.

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It was just... It was amazing. to think that she actually...

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Well, right from that we knew she'd probably wanted to be in touch.

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After making contact through the family finding company,

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now the sisters could be put in touch directly.

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I said, "Yeah, I do want to be in contact, yeah,"

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so I gave her my e-mail address and it's just been constant.

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We sent an e-mail just to sort of say hi.

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We even worried about what to put in the subject line, actually.

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"What shall we put, what shall we put?"

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-And we just put...

-It's Teresa and Tracey, sort of thing.

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-I think we were so more worried about putting her off, weren't we?

-Yeah.

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For the last two weeks, Teresa and Tracey

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have only been in touch with Lesley by e-mail.

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Much of their older sister's early life is still a mystery.

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Lesley's parents, Brian and Rita, had married in 1954.

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Two years later, Lesley arrived, but her parents split up

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while she was still a toddler.

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I can't remember them being together...

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..cos I think I was only about two when they split up.

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But I do remember going to my father's house where

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he lived with my nan and grandad.

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Years ago, parents didn't divorce too often

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and so I was sort of an outcast.

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"Ooh, where's your dad, then? Why don't you live with your dad?"

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And then I was bullied at school because of my surname.

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So the kids used to say Probert the robot.

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My mum remarried when I was six so my mum said,

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"Do you want to change your name by deed poll?"

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Think about it and she explained to me what's going on to do that.

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And I said, "Yes."

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From then on, everything was in the name of Cross.

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Lesley's birth father, Brian, had also remarried

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and had Teresa and Tracey.

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Although the two families lived near each other, there was no

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contact until 1974.

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I was 17. I knew by this time that he had remarried and got children.

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I think I just got up one morning and thought, "I'm going to go

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"and see if they still live in Sunningdale Avenue."

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I was intrigued to meet them.

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Um, I think that's what made me go and knock on the door, really.

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And I can remember Tracey answering the door.

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She was only little and I thought,

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"God, it it's like looking in a mirror."

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I thought, "Yeah, I've definitely got the right house."

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It's a little mini me standing there.

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I was getting married that year.

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I just really wanted them to be a part of it.

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But her two half-sisters were soon to disappear from Lesley's life.

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For a couple of years, they were part of my life and then,

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I don't know, all of a sudden, they just moved.

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I never heard from him again.

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I just put it down that he didn't want me in their lives, really,

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so that's another reason why I didn't look for them.

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I didn't really want to be rejected.

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The sisters found each other just two weeks ago.

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They still haven't met yet.

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Tomorrow, they will see each other for the first time

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since they lost touch all those years ago.

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It's been a whole mixture of emotions all the way along,

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but I think now that we're getting closer and closer

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to meeting her, it's just excitement.

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To meet Lesley, it's going to mean the world. I really can't wait.

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It will be fantastic.

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I've always wanted more family, to be honest with you,

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and this might be the chance.

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I don't think I'm going to sleep properly tonight knowing that

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they're going to be here.

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It's hours away now and in two and a half weeks,

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it's just gone crazy and now it's down to hours.

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Absolute... I'm... Oh!

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I'm bursting. I'm bursting!

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-The big day's here now.

-Yeah. I can't wait to meet her. No.

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-I wonder what she looks like.

-I know!

-Will she look like us?

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I wonder if she's as nervous as we are.

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All this waiting and finally, it's going to happen, isn't it?

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It's almost a lifetime...we've lost.

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All those years when we could've been...

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..we could've been really close all those years.

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-I've got butterflies in my stomach.

-Have you?

-What about you?

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I've got a massive moth, I think.

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Oh, this is getting almost unbearable.

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That's the road. That's the name of the road?

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-What, Lesley's?

-Yeah.

-Oh, my gosh!

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Oh, my God.

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After being separated for most of their lives, now the three sisters

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can finally be reunited.

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Oh, my God.

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ALL THREE SOB AND LAUGH

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-I can't believe it's been so long. So long.

-40 years!

-I know.

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Where does the time go, huh?

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-This is the strangest thing, isn't it?

-Yeah.

-I know, it is.

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-Do we look anything like we did?

-No.

-No!

-No!

-Good, good.

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No, not a bit.

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-It's really nice to see you, it really is.

-Yeah, it really is.

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Now they are back together, Teresa, Tracey and Lesley

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can start to fill in the blanks of the last four decades

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and solve some of the family mysteries.

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-Did you go through school as Lesley Probert?

-No.

-Oh!

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-I was getting bullied at school because of my surname.

-Oh, right.

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-Until we all became...

-And that's why I couldn't find you on Ancestry.

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They have years to catch up on.

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And there's one photo that has special significance for them all.

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Pictures already.

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-Oh, there we are!

-You've got that horr...that dress on.

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No, you loved that dress.

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It was long.

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-Wow.

-You can just see your head.

-You can see my little head popping out.

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So, it was your wedding day.

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And look at me in that yellow jacket, wow.

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Tracey, I'm so glad you put your head forward like that.

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While they reminisce about the years passed, after nearly half

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a century apart, the sisters can now look forward to a future together.

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It's been brilliant and I really feel like I know Lesley already

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even though it's just been today. And, no, I'll never forget it.

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It's been wonderful.

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I've only met her a few hours now,

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but I feel like I've known her all my life

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and we've got a lot of catching up to do.

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And I feel that we've missed out,

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I really do, but now's the time to make up.

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To be in contact with them is just the best. It's lovely.

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I'm not an only child any more.

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I wish it had happened sooner.

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I do wish it had happened sooner, but it's happened now and it's...

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That's going to be us. We're family now. That's it.

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