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Families can be driven apart for all manner of reasons.

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I had no information at all about where my mum went.

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And when you do lose touch with your loved ones...

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You don't know who you are, where you've come from.

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..finding them can take a lifetime...

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I might have a brother that's still living here.

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..especially when they could be anywhere - at home or abroad.

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And that's where the family finders come in,

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from international organisations...

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Hi, it's the Salvation Army Family Tracing Service.

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..to genealogy detective agencies...

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For someone to say that it's changed their life,

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it makes coming to work really, really special.

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..and dedicated one-man bands.

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It's a matter of how much effort you really want to put into it,

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how badly you want to solve the problem.

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They hunt through history to bring families back together again.

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Finding new family is wonderful.

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In this series, we follow the work of the family finders...

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Suddenly, you get one spark of breakthrough and there they are.

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..learning the tricks they use

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to track missing relatives through time...

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I didn't think I'd ever find sisters but I have.

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..and meeting the people whose lives they change along the way.

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I've been waiting to meet John my whole life.

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Since we've met, I feel part of a family again.

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You've just completed my life for me.

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For some, finding long-lost family members

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is as simple as picking up a phone or sending an email.

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For others, the search can take a little longer.

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Today, we follow one woman's 31-year hunt for her mother and for answers.

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It's not a nice feeling when you don't who you are,

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where you are, why you're there, where you've come from.

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And Janet's search for the mother she hadn't seen for 50 years.

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I went off the idea altogether cos I thought I was just getting nowhere.

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I knew that she would just have so many regrets if she didn't

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and her regrets would be my regrets as well.

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Denise Wilson was born in April, 1958.

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She was raised in a small village near Newcastle upon Tyne.

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We didn't have a lot but we were always happy.

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As kids, we were always happy

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and I've got some really good memories of living in the village.

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We had nowt, really, but we had good times, you know.

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But at the age of 12 came a bombshell.

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I'll never forget the time I found out that I was adopted.

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I was at school.

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Some of the kids were saying, "You haven't got your mam and dad,

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"you haven't got your real mam and dad."

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When I went in, I just said to me mam,

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"They were saying at school that you're not my real mam.

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"Is that right?"

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And my mam really got upset about it, as she would.

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And we sat in the kitchen and she told us that I was adopted.

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I can remember going upstairs

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and staring out of the window in the bedroom and feeling lost.

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It's not a nice feeling when you don't know who you are,

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where you are, why you're there, where you've come from.

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You think that, you know, I was Denise Maguire,

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living my life normal and then all of a sudden, I'm not.

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I wanted to know who I was.

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Denise's adoptive parents, Peter and Pearl,

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couldn't have children of their own and were overjoyed

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to welcome five-month-old Denise into their family.

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But when she found out she had been adopted,

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Denise felt unable to ask her parents

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for information about her birth mother.

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I was all that my mam had and I just thought

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I couldn't hurt her feelings by asking her questions,

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so I never, ever did.

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I wanted somebody that was, like, related to me.

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I couldn't wait to, sort of, be the age

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where I could get married and have kids

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and so I got married really young, 17,

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and my son was born before I was 18.

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I can remember looking at him and he looked like me

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and I was looking, staring at him,

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and he was just the double of me

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and I thought, "Ey...he's my only blood relative, you know."

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I had another two girls after that. I had what I wanted.

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I had a family and we were all related.

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It was only after her adoptive parents had died

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that Denise felt able to begin searching for her birth mother

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and any other family members in earnest.

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I was only 32 when my mam died. My dad had died ten months before her.

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Even though I was married with three kids, I was,

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I felt like I was on my own still, you know.

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And then I think that gave us the drive to think,

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"Well, I've got to have a family out there.

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"My mam might have had more kids."

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So, I just thought, "I'm going to search.

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"I'm definitely not going to give up."

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At first, all social services were able to provide

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was a single document and this was the only thing Denise had to go on.

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All I had was my original birth certificate with my name on

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and the name of my birth mother.

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No father mentioned on the birth certificate,

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just that was the basic thing I had.

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And I was actually called Anne Beryl Walker.

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Her birth certificate gave Denise the starting point she needed

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to begin the search for her mother, Elsie.

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First of all, I started with looking through birth records,

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like at the library, the microfilm and that, but it was quite hard.

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I had an ad in the Manchester Evening News.

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I've been to Manchester County Court to see if I could get records there.

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Social services I've rang and I've wrote to.

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Anybody that could help us, you know.

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People who have been adopted, I've asked them how they've done it.

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I've even rang up Manchester radio

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and they've done a shoutout on there for us.

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Once the internet was up and running,

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I got onto some sites, some social media things, and I got help there.

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Denise was advised to get back in touch with social services.

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This time, they WERE able to turn up some more information,

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which gave Denise a vital clue.

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I finally got hold of my birth records from after adoption

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and it said there was no information about the reasons for the adoption,

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apart from the fact that I was illegitimate,

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which is a bit daft these days.

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"It's likely to be one of the reasons why your birth mother

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"was unable to keep you."

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It's says, "You had a sister, Josephine Walker,

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"who was around two years old."

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I just thought, "I've got a sister."

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It's like, I've got a sister and I was thinking,

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"God, I'm not an only one," you know.

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And so I set about looking for her.

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She may have had no luck finding her mum,

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but Denise now had a lead on a sister she'd never known existed.

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Denise found several Josephine Walkers in Manchester

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and the surrounding area, but none were the right Josephine.

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So I searched and searched again and a few more came up

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and then I started going a little bit further afield.

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Denise found one marriage record of a Josephine Walker in Peterborough

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but could find no contact details. She did, however, find someone

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who sounded like she could be Josephine's daughter.

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I sent a message to her.

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Quite a while went by, about six weeks,

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and there was a message and it said, "Hi, Denise...

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"..Mam's been looking through your profile."

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She said, "My mam was called Josephine but she's now called Sue."

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I still wasn't convinced.

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I said, "The Josephine that I'm looking for,

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"she would have been born in Manchester,

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"she would have had a mam called Elsie."

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She said, "Yes, that's my mam."

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It had taken years but at last, Denise had tracked down her sister.

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She wasted no time in calling her.

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Well, we didn't really have much conversation

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cos it was all, like, tears down the phone, you know,

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and it was definitely... She says,

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"Denise, we've been waiting for you to get in touch with us, you know."

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They hadn't...

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They didn't really know where to start with the search.

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They didn't have a clue where to...you know.

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But, um, I'd been doing it for that long,

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I thought I'm not going to stop until I find something, you know.

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Denise's sister, Josephine, had two huge revelations for her.

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Firstly, Denise's birth mother, Elsie, was, in fact, still alive.

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She said, "If you look through my pictures,

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"you'll see a picture of your mam."

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And there was a picture of my birth mother,

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sitting holding her 80th birthday cake.

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I had a good cry because it was, like, I didn't know who I was.

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And then I thought, "Ye God, I should be happy,

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"because I've found everybody, I should be happy."

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And I was, but it was just, sort of, overwhelming,

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after all these years, you know.

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45 years after discovering she was adopted,

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Denise had finally found her birth mother.

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But there was more.

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After that, she said, "Are you sitting down?" And I said, "Yes."

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She says, "Um, there's not just me and you."

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She said, "There was five of us girls." And it was, like...

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It was weird. I'll never forget it. And I goes, "Five?"

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And then she started rhyming them off.

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The four sisters Denise didn't know she had

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were Marie, Josephine, Carol, who died at the age of 32,

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and Katherine, who had also been adopted as a baby,

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but was yet to be traced.

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After making contact with her birth family,

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Denise made the 200-mile journey south to Peterborough

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to be reunited with two of her sisters and her mother, Elsie.

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In the '50s, she would have been called a scarlet woman

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and everything, in them days, wouldn't she?

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But nowadays, it's just normal.

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Sad, really, to think that she had to do that and give us away,

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but, obviously, she had her reasons.

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I don't feel any bad feelings at all towards her.

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I don't think there'll ever be the closeness

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of a real mam and daughter.

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I don't think you'd ever get that closeness

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when you haven't been brought up by someone,

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but there's something there, you know,

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and I've always... I've never hated her.

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I've always had, like, a soft spot for my real mother,

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because I wouldn't be here without her.

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Denise now visits her mum, Elsie, regularly,

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but she wasn't well enough to take part in filming.

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One piece of the family jigsaw was still missing though -

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the whereabouts of Denise's sister Katherine,

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who had also been adopted.

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She was still out there, so I thought,

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"Right, I'm not going to be happy until I find Katherine."

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After 31 years of searching, Denise had found her mother.

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Now she turned her attention to her missing sister.

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Would she prove to be as elusive?

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In Dagenham, Essex,

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76-year-old Janet Emery was also looking for HER missing mother.

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Janet was born just before the outbreak of the Second World War,

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the only child of Madeline and William Oakes.

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I was born in 1939

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and my father left for the war in the September,

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so I was really still a baby when he left.

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Janet's mum continued to care for her but in 1943,

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her little world was turned upside down.

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When I was about four years old,

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my mother took me to my auntie and uncle's

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and all I can remember her saying

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is, "Mummy's going to leave you with Auntie Jean and Uncle Charlie

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"and they'll look after you for me."

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Her mother Madeline had met a Canadian soldier

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and began a new life with him,

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leaving her daughter to be cared for by her sister.

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Still very young, Janet was happy enough with her aunt and uncle

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for a time, but her mother was never far from her mind.

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I did ask once or twice what my mum was like,

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but I had no information at all about where my mum went.

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We didn't really discuss it.

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I don't think my father allowed them to talk to me about it.

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He was very, very hurt about what happened.

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Janet was reunited with her father as soon as he returned from war.

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During his time away, he had remarried.

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Janet was then raised by her dad and new step-mum

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and went on to marry and start a family of her own.

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She never imagined she'd see her birth mother again

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but, one day, when she was 25 years old,

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a surprise visitor turned up at Janet's home.

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I was in the sitting room doing my ironing

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and my daughter was nine months old.

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She was on the floor, playing with her toys,

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and there was a knock at the door. This lady said to me, "Janet?"

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And I said, "Yes." She said, "Do you know me?"

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And I looked at her and I said, "You're my mum."

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Despite 19 years having passed since she'd last seen her mother,

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Janet invited her in.

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My mum looked at my daughter and she said, "Is that my grandchild?"

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And for some reason or other, that really upset me.

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I said, "I don't think you've got any right to claim them

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"as your grandchildren. You left me when I was young.

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"They've got a grandma now that loves them very, very dearly."

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I resented her for what she said.

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She'd expected to walk in and just carry on as if nothing had happened.

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I think, if she'd apologised and said, "I'm really, really sorry,"

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and told me why she'd left me in the first place,

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it might have been better,

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but she didn't say anything at all about the past.

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She never told me whether she loved me or she had to leave me

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and I still don't know.

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Her mum, Madeline, had another bombshell

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to drop on an unsuspecting Janet.

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She now had two more daughters by her second husband,

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the Canadian serviceman.

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She said I've got two sisters, two younger sisters,

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who are really longing to meet me and to know all about me

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and she's going to go home and she's going to tell them about me,

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she's going to send photos

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and I thought, "Oh, this sounds like it could be really, really nice."

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And then she went and I never heard from her again,

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so that was a second rejection, really.

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Then I started to blame myself because I'd been unwelcoming to her

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and I thought to myself, "If I walked into somebody's house

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"and was spoken to like that,

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"I probably wouldn't want to know them again.

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As the years went by, Janet couldn't stop thinking about her mum

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and the two sisters she had never met,

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but it wasn't until half a century later,

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she decided to take action.

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I realised that my mother should be well into her 90s,

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so the most likelihood would be that she'd passed away,

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but I started thinking, "What if I try to trace my sisters?"

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But Janet swiftly realised

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that 50 years after her mother's surprise visit,

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the trail had gone very cold.

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What I really regret most of all is that I didn't even ask my mum

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what my sisters' names were, so I had no names, no births, nothing,

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and I didn't even ask where she came from,

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so I had no information at all to go on to even start looking for them.

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But there was one person who wasn't going to let Janet give up -

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her own daughter, Deborah.

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I knew this is a dream of hers and I'd really like her to fulfil that.

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Um, it's like there's something missing and it would be...

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it would be wonderful if she finds her step-sisters.

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Deborah's really helped to encourage me with this search.

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She knows it's something that I really wanted to do

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and it's my heart's desire to find my sisters.

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Deborah helped her mum sign up to a genealogy website.

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I posted a message on it, asking if anybody knew my mother's name.

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But disheartened by the lack of results,

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Janet gave up the search and turned her back on tracing her family.

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She's always wanted to find her sisters but I think the fear,

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the fear that they may be not interested

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and they might reject her, that's got in the way.

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I went off the idea altogether

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because I thought I was getting nowhere

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and nobody would really know anything this long time gone past.

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Little did Janet know that the search she thought had gone cold

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was about to hot up.

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-'Isn't that wonderful?'

-Oh, my God, I can't believe it.

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You've just completed my life for me.

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After her 31-year quest for answers,

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Denise Wilson's search was finally coming to fruition.

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Adopted as a baby,

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she had discovered that not only was her birth mother still alive,

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but that she also had sisters, one of whom had never been traced,

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so Denise set out to find her, 50 years after she'd been adopted.

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My birth mother, Elsie, I asked her about Katherine and she said,

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"Oh, she went to somebody that had a son

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"and she went and adopted Katherine

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"and Katherine was brought up in Manchester."

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And I thought, "Well, how can I trace her?"

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Denise was desperate to track down the final missing sister,

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so employed the services of a family finder who specialised in adoption.

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I couldn't believe it.

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Within a few weeks, he'd found a brother, he knew her name,

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he got us her birth certificate.

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We knew where she was born and then he actually located her.

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There was a picture and I just knew.

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I looked at the picture and I thought, "That is a young Elsie,

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"that's my sister, I know it is." And it was.

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Denise had, at last, found her sister Katherine.

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I rang her about 11 o'clock in the morning and I goes, "Hi, Katherine."

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Um...

0:19:000:19:02

I says, "You don't know me but I'm your sister." She goes, "What?!"

0:19:020:19:08

I just told her I was her sister and, um...

0:19:080:19:10

She goes, "I can't believe it."

0:19:120:19:13

She was like, "I can't believe it," she's going.

0:19:130:19:17

I jumped around and screamed a lot

0:19:170:19:20

and couldn't control myself for excitement, basically,

0:19:200:19:24

but I was getting all this info all in the spate of about 20 minutes.

0:19:240:19:29

She was telling me this and telling me that

0:19:290:19:31

and it was just madness but brilliant, absolute brilliant.

0:19:310:19:36

I was so ecstatic.

0:19:360:19:38

And then I was able to tell her that we had other sisters

0:19:380:19:41

and that our mam was still alive, um...

0:19:410:19:45

And she just...she just loved it.

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When Denise was adopted, she'd been taken to the northeast.

0:19:490:19:53

The couple who adopted Katherine remained in the northwest.

0:19:530:19:58

I had a terrifically happy childhood.

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I grew up in Urmston, in Manchester, and just basically had fun

0:20:000:20:04

and did what kids did in those days.

0:20:040:20:07

It was lovely, absolutely lovely.

0:20:070:20:09

My mum did an awful lot for me.

0:20:090:20:11

My mother actually told me I was adopted

0:20:110:20:13

when I was about five, five or six.

0:20:130:20:16

Somebody in my class at school was adopted,

0:20:160:20:20

so I asked my mother what "adopted" is

0:20:200:20:23

and I think she must have chose her opportunity to tell me then,

0:20:230:20:27

and I was quite chuffed about it, actually, cos I felt quite chosen.

0:20:270:20:31

So, I was quite happy with the whole situation.

0:20:310:20:34

It makes you feel special, I think, at that age.

0:20:340:20:37

My mum told me that I'd had an older sister

0:20:380:20:42

and that my natural mother couldn't look after us,

0:20:420:20:46

and that was that, basically.

0:20:460:20:50

"She was on her own, she had two young children,

0:20:500:20:53

"that's why you were adopted."

0:20:530:20:56

There was nothing mentioned about anything, really, like that.

0:20:560:20:59

And I just took it as that was it

0:20:590:21:02

and never really pursued the matter until later.

0:21:020:21:05

Denise and Katherine may never know the details

0:21:050:21:08

of why their mum gave them up for adoption,

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but there's no doubt that life for single mothers

0:21:100:21:14

in the 1950s was far from easy.

0:21:140:21:16

Historically, having children out of wedlock was really frowned upon.

0:21:190:21:23

The term for it was "socially fallen".

0:21:230:21:26

Your family might be ashamed of it,

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the local community would talk about it

0:21:290:21:31

and it was something that needed to be hidden away.

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The creation of the welfare state in 1948

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meant that these so-called "fallen women" were now eligible

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for child benefits, known at the time as national assistance,

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and the Adoption of Children Act,

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which came into force the following year,

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was designed to safeguard both single mothers and their babies.

0:21:480:21:51

However, even by the late 1950s, society still viewed marriage

0:21:510:21:55

as the only real acceptable qualification for parenthood

0:21:550:21:59

and mothers of children born out of wedlock

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would have still come under pressure from doctors, parents and the church

0:22:010:22:05

to give up their babies for adoption.

0:22:050:22:07

Charities would have got involved and facilitated adoption.

0:22:070:22:10

Doctors might have found a place for a baby

0:22:100:22:13

in the local or wider community

0:22:130:22:15

because they knew the baby was coming along,

0:22:150:22:18

so it was just a very different outlook on life.

0:22:180:22:20

Denise and Kathy's mother would not have been alone

0:22:200:22:23

in giving her children up.

0:22:230:22:25

In 1958, there were over 13,000 adoption orders,

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the majority of which were babies of unwed mothers.

0:22:290:22:32

Now the final piece of the jigsaw had been found.

0:22:340:22:37

After 31 years of searching,

0:22:370:22:39

it was time for Elsie and all of her daughters

0:22:390:22:42

to meet for the first time.

0:22:420:22:44

When I actually met them all, it was like I'd never been away,

0:22:440:22:47

if you know what I mean.

0:22:470:22:49

I walked into a room and I felt like I belonged.

0:22:490:22:51

I didn't know what to say to my mother, actually, I really didn't.

0:22:510:22:55

And...

0:22:550:22:57

We just sat and smiled a lot, basically.

0:22:580:23:01

I gave her a hug, wished her well and everything.

0:23:010:23:04

But she's a frail little thing.

0:23:050:23:07

I was scared of breaking her, to be honest.

0:23:070:23:10

It was an emotional reunion, but amongst all the celebrating,

0:23:100:23:14

Katherine and Denise didn't get much of a chance to talk properly.

0:23:140:23:17

We haven't been together and had a good conversation,

0:23:170:23:19

like I have with the others, because we've been separate.

0:23:190:23:23

It would be nice to have a bit of conversation

0:23:230:23:25

or spend a little bit of time with Katherine.

0:23:250:23:28

So, the sisters have arranged to spend an entire day together.

0:23:280:23:31

This is an opportunity for me to have a nice little chin chat

0:23:310:23:35

with her on our own and find out all our bits and bobs about each other,

0:23:350:23:41

so I only know the outside bits at the minute.

0:23:410:23:45

I don't know all the details.

0:23:450:23:46

Janet and Denise are meeting in Manchester

0:23:480:23:51

to get more of a feel for their family roots

0:23:510:23:53

and the area where they were both born.

0:23:530:23:56

I'm getting quite giddy, actually.

0:23:570:23:59

I'm getting quite sort of fluttery cos this is quite a... Yeah...

0:23:590:24:04

It's quite an event.

0:24:050:24:07

I've never, ever visited the area

0:24:090:24:12

where my mam actually gave birth to me.

0:24:120:24:16

I've never been there, never visited, um...

0:24:160:24:19

So it will be really nice if we can get to do that.

0:24:210:24:23

After years of being totally oblivious to each other's existence,

0:24:230:24:27

the two sisters can finally begin making up for lost time.

0:24:270:24:31

THEY LAUGH

0:24:320:24:34

How are you?

0:24:350:24:38

Ooh, ooh.

0:24:380:24:39

-You all right?

-Yeah, yeah.

-Are you looking forward to this?

-Yeah.

0:24:390:24:43

So, we'll go and find out where we come from.

0:24:430:24:48

The girls were born within a few miles of each other,

0:24:510:24:54

just two years apart, before being adopted.

0:24:540:24:57

I was five months old.

0:24:570:24:59

-And I was 18 months.

-And you were 18 months old.

0:24:590:25:03

-It's sad, isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:25:030:25:05

Well, we just don't know what the circumstances were, really.

0:25:050:25:09

-Remember when I first rang you?

-Yeah.

0:25:110:25:14

THEY LAUGH

0:25:140:25:16

-That must have been a bit of a shock!

-Yeah, it was!

0:25:160:25:19

-Well, you heard me, didn't you?

-Yeah.

0:25:190:25:21

I sort of went leaping about the kitchen like a loony. Oh, dear.

0:25:210:25:26

-"Hello, Kathy."

-"I'm your sister."

-"I'm your sister."

0:25:260:25:29

THEY LAUGH

0:25:290:25:32

That was funny.

0:25:320:25:33

The house where Denise was born has since been demolished,

0:25:350:25:38

so they've come to see the place where Kathy was taken to live

0:25:380:25:40

when she was newly adopted.

0:25:400:25:42

Lived here till I was, oh, 17.

0:25:420:25:45

Urmston, oh, we're here. Oh, my God.

0:25:450:25:48

So, you recognise it?

0:25:480:25:50

-Highfield Primary School!

-Yeah?

-Oh, here we go.

0:25:500:25:54

-There we are, ladies.

-Oh, it's got scaffolding up.

0:25:540:25:57

-Is this your old house?

-This is my old house, yeah. Oh, my God!

0:25:570:26:01

Were you brought here when you were just a baby, to this house?

0:26:010:26:04

-Yeah, this is where I came. This is where I came.

-Yeah.

0:26:040:26:08

I used to climb onto the porch

0:26:080:26:10

and get in the bathroom window when I couldn't get in.

0:26:100:26:14

-Underneath there, there's a bag of pennies that we buried.

-Where?

0:26:140:26:17

THEY LAUGH

0:26:170:26:19

Underneath there. He used to play the guitar...

0:26:190:26:23

..that one used to play the drums,

0:26:240:26:26

I used to play the trumpet, the cornet,

0:26:260:26:29

my brother played the guitar.

0:26:290:26:31

KATHY CHUCKLES

0:26:310:26:33

-I had lovely memories here, absolutely lovely memories.

-Mmm-hmm.

0:26:330:26:36

I can't believe it.

0:26:380:26:40

Kathy's still got a photograph of her with her parents

0:26:400:26:42

in front of this very house,

0:26:420:26:44

taken a few years after they adopted her.

0:26:440:26:46

Oh, is that the photograph of the house?

0:26:460:26:48

-We were stood over there, right in between the windows.

-Oh, right.

0:26:480:26:52

-Oh, my God.

-Yeah, how weird.

0:26:520:26:55

We definitely get me in between the windows again.

0:26:550:26:58

-Right.

-Before and after.

0:26:580:27:00

I think we've been quite lucky, really, that...

0:27:040:27:06

-We've been lucky, yeah.

-You know, cos... I don't know.

0:27:060:27:11

I think it's where you grow up as well and where,

0:27:120:27:15

-circumstances of where you grow up as well.

-Yeah, I think we went to...

0:27:150:27:19

..good homes, basically.

0:27:200:27:22

It's a shame mum had to give us up but she must have had her reasons

0:27:220:27:25

-and I think it gave us, maybe, a better life.

-Oh, definitely.

-Yeah.

0:27:250:27:30

-Definitely.

-So...

-I mean, it's been...

0:27:300:27:33

-I've got no, sort of, misgivings about anything.

-No.

0:27:330:27:39

-I just feel sad that we weren't all together, the sisters.

-Yeah.

0:27:390:27:43

To grow up together, that would have been nice.

0:27:430:27:45

It would have been harder in those days.

0:27:450:27:47

It wouldn't have been a nice...

0:27:470:27:49

It wouldn't have been nice to do it but... Other circumstances.

0:27:490:27:52

-It would have been nice if things had been different.

-Yeah.

0:27:520:27:57

I wouldn't ask my natural mother to explain why she did things

0:27:590:28:06

because, like, it's in the past, that's past.

0:28:060:28:09

It's...

0:28:090:28:11

It's not the past we have to worry about now, it's the future, so...

0:28:120:28:16

It's a shame the girls never grew up together

0:28:160:28:19

but this is just one of those things that's happened.

0:28:190:28:22

We can make up for it now.

0:28:220:28:23

For Denise, it's the end of a search for answers that began 31 years ago.

0:28:230:28:29

There's questions that are still unanswered but...

0:28:290:28:32

..I don't think they're going to be answered now.

0:28:330:28:35

I think it's about time we sort of call it a day, really,

0:28:350:28:39

and just be thankful, really, for what I HAVE found

0:28:390:28:42

and the answers that I HAVE got,

0:28:420:28:44

because I could go on another 31 years

0:28:440:28:47

and maybe not have any more answers,

0:28:470:28:50

so I think now it's about time to call it a day.

0:28:500:28:53

Thanks to Denise, all this happened anyway,

0:28:530:28:57

so I can only thank her from the bottom of my heart, basically,

0:28:570:29:02

because it's been a totally, totally brilliant experience.

0:29:020:29:07

I was found and I'm so glad I was found.

0:29:080:29:12

I think it's nice to know where you come from,

0:29:120:29:16

who you are, you know, and just your blood relatives, really.

0:29:160:29:20

I didn't think I'd ever...

0:29:200:29:22

Well, I didn't think I'd ever find sisters, you know, but I have.

0:29:220:29:27

In Essex, Janet had spent 50 years

0:29:360:29:39

wondering what had happened to her mother, Madeline.

0:29:390:29:42

Janet finally began looking, but after a message she posted

0:29:420:29:46

on a family tracing website went unanswered, she gave up.

0:29:460:29:49

However, unbeknownst to Janet, just 70 miles away,

0:29:520:29:55

some distant family members had, in fact, spotted her message.

0:29:550:29:58

I sent an email to Janet saying how thrilled I was

0:29:580:30:01

that we'd come into contact and I heard absolutely nothing at all.

0:30:010:30:06

Brother and sister Tony and Jane had reason to believe

0:30:060:30:09

that Janet's mum could be their aunt but their email went unanswered.

0:30:090:30:14

I was very confused. I didn't know...

0:30:140:30:16

You wonder whether you'd maybe put something in the email

0:30:160:30:19

that perhaps wasn't to her liking, was too upsetting,

0:30:190:30:22

or perhaps something had happened to her.

0:30:220:30:25

You just didn't know what to think.

0:30:250:30:27

And there, fate may have ended the search.

0:30:270:30:31

Jane's email had arrived

0:30:310:30:33

at the point when Janet had given up looking.

0:30:330:30:36

But fate hadn't reckoned with Janet's daughter, Deborah.

0:30:370:30:40

I knew that she would just have so many regrets if she didn't,

0:30:400:30:44

and her regrets would be my regrets as well.

0:30:440:30:48

My daughter said, "Mum, you ought to go on the site,

0:30:480:30:50

"cos you never know. Just go on it and see. You might have a message."

0:30:500:30:55

So, a couple of days later, I thought, "I'll have a nose round,

0:30:550:30:59

"see what's going on," and I couldn't believe it.

0:30:590:31:02

I had two messages from my first cousin, Jane,

0:31:020:31:05

and it was, like, I couldn't believe it.

0:31:050:31:08

They'd been sitting there for months.

0:31:080:31:11

She was like a big kid when she found out.

0:31:110:31:14

She was like, "You'll never guess, never guess!"

0:31:140:31:17

And then we got an email from her which was lovely,

0:31:170:31:21

with all her news and what she'd been doing

0:31:210:31:24

and all about her children and it was wonderful, absolutely wonderful.

0:31:240:31:30

Janet's mum had had a brother called Maurice.

0:31:300:31:33

Tony and Jane are his children and, therefore, Janet's cousins.

0:31:330:31:37

They knew her mother, Madeline, as their Aunt Madge.

0:31:370:31:41

My father was one of seven siblings.

0:31:410:31:44

Madge was the eldest and they had quite a poor upbringing,

0:31:440:31:49

I think, um, in the East End of London.

0:31:490:31:52

They met the mysterious Aunt Madge a couple of times

0:31:540:31:57

during their childhood when she came over from Canada to visit.

0:31:570:32:01

What I recall of Madge whilst I was growing up

0:32:010:32:06

was she was a very warm, pleasant, ever-smiling,

0:32:060:32:09

light-hearted person who enjoyed dancing a great deal

0:32:090:32:14

and was exceptionally pleasant and friendly.

0:32:140:32:20

-She was quite an exotic creature, really.

-She was.

0:32:200:32:23

I remember her, cos she was always dressed to the nines

0:32:230:32:26

and had the most perfect hair.

0:32:260:32:28

Beautiful figure and she had this wonderful Canadian twang.

0:32:280:32:33

But they knew very little else about Madge.

0:32:340:32:37

We knew that she'd had two daughters but, other than that,

0:32:380:32:42

absolutely nothing, really nothing. Didn't know where she lived.

0:32:420:32:45

I don't remember seeing any pictures or ever having a conversation

0:32:450:32:50

with, I suppose, my cousins, um, at all.

0:32:500:32:53

It was only years later that they found out

0:32:530:32:56

that Madge had been married before.

0:32:560:32:59

I can't really even remember when, um...when I found out

0:33:000:33:05

that Madge had had, um...a daughter

0:33:050:33:10

with her first husband, um, until much later.

0:33:100:33:14

I must have been in my 20s, I think, if not later than that.

0:33:140:33:17

But, of course, there was no way of contacting her at all.

0:33:170:33:21

Didn't know the surname, didn't know anything about her whatsoever,

0:33:210:33:24

even her name, actually.

0:33:240:33:26

And Janet had had absolutely no idea

0:33:260:33:29

about the existence of Jane and Tony.

0:33:290:33:31

Before I'd made contact with Jane, I didn't know anything.

0:33:310:33:36

I didn't know I had any cousins or anything at all. I was so excited.

0:33:360:33:41

I just couldn't believe my eyes.

0:33:410:33:43

I really, really got very, very emotional

0:33:430:33:47

and I just felt that, even if I don't find my sisters,

0:33:470:33:50

I have found family.

0:33:500:33:52

If, like Janet, you want to find family who have moved abroad,

0:33:540:33:58

tracing them can prove more challenging.

0:33:580:34:00

As well as potential language barriers,

0:34:000:34:03

many countries don't have online archives.

0:34:030:34:06

A good place to start is with immigration records,

0:34:060:34:08

which are stored at the National Archive.

0:34:080:34:11

These will provide useful information,

0:34:110:34:14

like names, occupations and exact dates of arrival in a country -

0:34:140:34:18

a good starting point for any search.

0:34:180:34:21

And countries with strong ties to the UK, like Australia and Canada,

0:34:210:34:26

have dedicated genealogy centres that can assist you in your search.

0:34:260:34:30

Janet exchanged several emails with Tony and Jane

0:34:320:34:36

and they arranged to meet, taking their mother, Ann, along too.

0:34:360:34:40

Janet was hoping that they might have some information

0:34:400:34:43

about HER mum and sisters.

0:34:430:34:45

In the summer, we arranged that they would come here to see me.

0:34:450:34:49

There was my Auntie Ann, my cousin Tony and my cousin Jane.

0:34:490:34:55

It was like I'd always known them. It was really, really terrific.

0:34:550:35:00

It's really exciting to have found Janet.

0:35:000:35:04

She's a wonderful person

0:35:040:35:07

and it's great to have another member of the family.

0:35:070:35:10

At the meeting,

0:35:120:35:13

her newfound relatives had some sad news for Janet.

0:35:130:35:16

She said, "Your mum died when she was 68."

0:35:160:35:20

And I realised that was only four years after I'd met her.

0:35:220:35:26

She couldn't remember my sisters' names.

0:35:280:35:31

She thought one was called Joy but she wasn't that sure.

0:35:310:35:34

But it was a real breakthrough that she did actually know

0:35:340:35:37

where my mother settled, because it pinpointed where to look for them,

0:35:370:35:43

and she said that she came from Nottawa.

0:35:430:35:46

It was exactly the sort of extra detail Janet needed

0:35:500:35:53

to progress the search and today, four months after they first met up,

0:35:530:35:58

Janet's seeing Tony, Jane and their mother, Ann, again.

0:35:580:36:02

Today's meeting also marks another milestone.

0:36:020:36:05

Janet's daughter, Deborah, is meeting

0:36:050:36:07

her mum's long-lost cousins for the first time.

0:36:070:36:10

How are you feeling about meeting them today?

0:36:100:36:13

I'm really excited, yeah, really excited.

0:36:130:36:16

Yeah, it's, um, it's been a long time waiting for this,

0:36:160:36:20

for this moment. And I'm going to treasure this moment.

0:36:200:36:26

Ah, that's lovely. I can't wait for them to meet you.

0:36:260:36:30

-She's coming with her daughter, Deborah.

-Yes.

0:36:300:36:32

So that will be lovely to meet her.

0:36:320:36:34

-Here we are.

-Yes.

-Lovely.

0:36:360:36:38

Janet, hello, darling!

0:36:500:36:52

Good to see you.

0:36:540:36:56

THEY ALL LAUGH AND TALK OVER EACH OTHER

0:36:570:37:01

Introductions over, cousin Tony has a surprise for Janet.

0:37:070:37:12

-A family member has discovered some photographs.

-Oh!

0:37:120:37:17

Let me just show you.

0:37:170:37:19

There's a photograph of your mother,

0:37:190:37:22

which we believe was taken in Canada.

0:37:220:37:24

-In Canada?

-Indeed.

-In Canada? Oh!

-Oh, wow. Oh, look, Deborah.

0:37:240:37:30

It's the first time Janet's seen this image of her mother

0:37:320:37:36

and there's more to come.

0:37:360:37:38

One here of Madge, your mum, and your sisters.

0:37:380:37:43

-Oh, look! Oh, my sisters!

-That's a lovely photograph.

-Oh, my gosh!

0:37:430:37:49

It was the fall, September, 1954. She'd only just got there then.

0:37:490:37:54

-Aren't they like her?

-So that's...

-Oh, my goodness.

-So that's Joy?

0:37:540:37:58

-That's Joy. Oh, look.

-And that's Glenda.

0:37:580:38:02

She looks so happy there as well.

0:38:020:38:04

-Oh, gosh, you look like her!

-Yeah.

0:38:060:38:09

-Wow, you really look like her.

-Oh, my God.

0:38:110:38:13

JANET SNIFFLES

0:38:130:38:15

Oh, that's... Oh, I can't believe it.

0:38:150:38:17

Thank you so much. Oh, I, I...

0:38:270:38:30

I can't begin to say how wonderful that is of you.

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Janet is one step closer to knowing the family

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that's taken her decades to find.

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I can't believe that I've actually seen my sisters on photo

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and my mum in Canada with them. I'm just overwhelmed.

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Today was absolutely fantastic, to meet everyone.

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Today went brilliantly. It was magnificent.

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It's made the family whole.

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Not only has Janet discovered family she never knew about,

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the cousins have also helped fill in some crucial gaps

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in her family history.

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Janet had already enlisted the help of a family finding company

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to trace her sisters.

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Now armed with the information on a possible location in Canada

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and their own extensive research, Janet was relying on them.

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Although I didn't have very much information to go on,

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this company felt that they would be able to help me

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and they were willing to take on the search.

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They have been able to trace the whereabouts, through certificates,

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of where my sisters might be,

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that they're still living,

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and the search seems to be getting quite close

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and I'm beginning to be very, very excited

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and yet trying not to be too excited

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in case it just, somehow, doesn't come to fruition.

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I think, with Janet's case, this had been a long time.

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Janet had not heard from them,

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had not had any contact for about 50 years.

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When it's like this, where there's good information in one respect,

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but little information on another side,

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it may not go as quickly or as smoothly as you hope it will.

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But today, three weeks after Janet found a possible location,

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there's some news from the family tracing company.

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-'Hello, Janet, how are you?'

-I'm fine, thank you.

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I'm just ringing to see if you've got any news about them yet.

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'We've been able to find contact details for Joy,

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'who was the older of the two sisters.

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'And, very excitingly, last night, I placed a call to Joy

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'and gave her the news that you had been trying to find her.

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'And her first reaction was,

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'"Oh, my goodness, that's my half-sister, isn't it?"'

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JANET GASPS AND LAUGHS

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-Oh, wow!

-'Which was incredible.'

-Oh, my gosh!

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'And she straightaway said,

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'"Yes, we've always known about Janet,

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'"we've always thought about her

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'"and wondered where she was and how she was getting on."'

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-Thank you.

-'Isn't that wonderful?'

-Oh, my God, I can't believe it.

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'She's really keen to get in contact.

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'She still sees your other half-sister, Glenda,

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'so I'm quite sure by now that Glenda will also know the good news

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'and she's keen to hear from you, Janet.'

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Oh, Jennifer, I don't know how to thank you.

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-You've just completed my life for me.

-'Oh, you're so, so welcome.

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-'It really genuinely was our pleasure.'

-Thank you so much.

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-Bye. I'll be in touch.

-'Bye-bye.'

-Bye. Thank you.

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I told you. I knew you would find them.

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Janet's 50-year search for her family is finally over.

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I just want to tell everybody, I just want to ring up everybody

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and tell them I've found my sisters. It's so wonderful.

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I don't know whether to cry or laugh or... Just so emotional.

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I can't wait to see them now. I can't wait to be with them.

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For someone like Janet who, for 50 years,

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has wanted to just meet these sisters or speak to these sisters,

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and now she can have that, I'm absolutely thrilled for her.

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To play a part in that is wonderful.

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It makes coming to work really, really special.

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And Janet can make contact with the sisters she's never known.

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"Dear Joy, I'm so excited to find you.

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"I really can't believe it and I'm longing to get to know you.

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"We have got so much to share together.

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"I have been searching for you both for many years

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"but everything I tried came to no avail.

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"I'm so looking forward to you emailing me back

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"and making contact with Glenda too. Take...care."

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