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After years on the move,

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Mathew Royle-Evatt was searching for somewhere to call home...

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I don't feel as a part of this house as the dog, to be honest.

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..and believed that could be Australia.

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We're moving to Australia now.

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Let's go find a house.

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Did a week down under see fiancee Phillipa Rowley

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put up a fight for life in the UK...?

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I don't think Mathew appreciates the gravity of what he's asking.

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..or bind her partner's vision for their future?

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It's not as straightforward as, like, "Do you like the weather?"

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It's so much more than that.

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So the big question is, where are Phillipa and Mathew now -

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in the UK or Australia?

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Whether it's for stunning natural scenery,

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an outdoors lifestyle or the climate...

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..Australia continues to attract people from across the world.

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But it's the unique bond the Commonwealth country shares

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with the UK that sees over 30,000 Brits

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making the move there every year.

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Mathew Royle-Evatt joined the army when he was just 16,

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but after ten years of active service, he was ready to swap

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his military career for married life

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and believed Australia was the place to do it.

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But for fiancee Phillipa Rowley,

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the thought of leaving everyone she loved in the UK

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to start a new life on the other side of the world

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was a scary prospect.

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So was a week sampling everything the country had to offer

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enough to help destroy Phillipa's defences

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and secure Mathew the future he so desperately wanted for them?

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The journey began with a 20-hour trek from Manchester to Perth

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via Abu Dhabi.

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And although Mathew was used to travelling,

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both he and Phillipa were relieved when they finally touched down.

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The flight was very long and challenging,

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especially for Phillipa, because she couldn't sleep.

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All that time in the air had given Phillipa plenty to contemplate,

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being so far from family in the UK.

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When my mum dropped me off at the airport, I was really emotional.

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It's really far away and the flight definitely reiterated just the fact

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that it's at the other side of the world.

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But Mathew had his eye firmly on the target.

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But we're in Perth now, so I've just got to push it to Phillipa

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to tell her why we've got to live here, really.

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-We'll see.

-HE LAUGHS

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Meet Phillipa, Mathew and their pet doggie, Ollie.

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Childhood sweethearts, Phillipa and Mathew first met at school,

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but with Mathew signing up to the army a few months later,

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their relationship got off to a rocky start.

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Mathew's job has had, like, a huge impact on our relationship,

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because Mathew is away, like, 80% of the time.

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As soon as we got together, I was off to Afghanistan for seven months.

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I didn't have a date of when I was coming home.

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We didn't know what was going to happen, did we?

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True love blossomed, though, and the couple were convinced

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they'd found their soul mates.

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I think we do complement each other quite well.

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Like, we're good at what we're good at

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and then other is good at the stuff the other isn't at.

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-They're good at.

-No, that made sense.

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I'm not sure it did.

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With plans for their wedding underway,

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Mathew was ready to give his army career the boot in pursuit of a more

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stable life with Phillipa and believed that could be in Australia.

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I joined the army to get away from England

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and then somebody decided that she'd steal my heart

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and now I want to steal her away from her family

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and take her to Australia with me.

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Mathew fell for the country during a brief visit with work a decade ago

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and Phillipa had been hearing about it ever since.

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I've never been to Australia, but Mathew goes on about it

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all the time.

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It's the most wonderful place in the world, according to him.

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I just liked the place, how warm it was, the climate,

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everyone seemed really friendly.

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But Phillipa wasn't convinced it was where their future lay.

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I'm kind of the only thing really in his way.

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Besides the weather,

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I don't think he's got any actual real-life reasons

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how it would be better.

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Mathew knew he had a battle on his hands to get his fiancee onside.

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In order for Phillipa to be convinced to move

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to the other side of the world, I need to have an all-singing,

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all-dancing job where I can come home every evening,

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have the weekends to ourselves and it be for at least a little bit

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more than what I'm on in England.

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And he was prepared to fight for what he wanted -

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not just for him and Phillipa, but for future children

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they might have, too.

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A family out there would benefit a lot more

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from the Australian way of life than England.

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After we're married, at some point, we would like to start a family,

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so wherever we are, we need to be settled.

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But the prospect of starting a new family

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thousands of miles from the people she already shared her life with

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was too much for Phillipa to comprehend.

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They've been there for me this whole time and if we now leave

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and just I don't have them in my life at all,

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I will find that really difficult.

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And she knew leaving would break her dad's heart.

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My dad constantly jokes that I'm not going

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and he won't even enter into a conversation with me about it.

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-You don't actually tell me anything.

-There's nothing to tell.

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Every time I speak to him about it, it's like, "You're not going,

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"you're not going." So, I think it will be difficult for my dad.

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Ultimately, the choice for Phillipa was between the man she was about to

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spend the rest of her life with and her family.

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I think it would be very important for us to start married life on the

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same page, rather than I'm kind of leaning towards one thing,

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she's leaning towards another.

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It's a big deal, really, that I've got to make that decision

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for the both of us.

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To find out if Australia could offer the couple the lifestyle Mathew was

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dreaming of, they've visited the country's western capital, Perth.

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Their base for the week was the coastal suburb of Hillarys,

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just a 30-minute drive north of the city centre.

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But what did Phillipa think of her first taste of Aussie living?

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I'm happy. Are you happy?

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-Yeah.

-You're never happy!

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-I'd probably just redo the whole thing.

-Really?

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Phillipa's lack of enthusiasm suggested Mathew's Australian

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campaign might struggle to get off the ground.

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If this was all grassed off, it would be much more appealing to me.

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And I think everything as a whole has just been a bit,

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like, "meh".

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Like, it's not really done anything for me.

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It was ten years since Mathew was last on Aussie soil.

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I'm concerned whether it's going to be as good as I remember

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-it to be.

-You're a different person now as well.

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I wasn't thinking about properties...

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It's different priorities.

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..I wasn't thinking about jobs or anything like that, but now I am.

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But I'm hoping for a good result in my favour.

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And the week ahead was his one and only chance

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to make Phillipa share his dream.

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For me to leave my whole family...

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I know I could speak to them every day

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and see them over the computer and whatever,

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but it literally has to tick every box.

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In the UK, Mathew and Phillipa live in a two-bedroom terraced house

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in the Rossendale area of Lancashire.

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I don't feel as a part of this house as maybe Phillipa

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or even the dog, to be honest.

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With Mathew's army career often taking him away,

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he wanted Australia to give him the feeling of home he'd been missing.

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In the next house, when I'm actually living there,

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I'll be able to command a bit more of a say.

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So what was their ideal home down under?

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I'd need a big garden, an outside seating area.

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I'd like it a bit more modern, with a little kitchen diner,

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-maybe a separate lounge.

-You don't want much.

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Oh, and three bedrooms as a minimum, please.

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"Please" at the end!

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At least you've got manners!

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To find out what kind of house they could have,

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we showed them three properties,

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two on budget and a third as a possible dream home.

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Only after they have saw each one did they find out its value.

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Mathew and Phillipa had set themselves a budget

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of between £180-190,000.

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The search began in the coastal suburb of Alkimos,

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40 minutes outside of central Perth.

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They viewed a house in the new-build Shorehaven estate.

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So, did this three-bedroom property hit the spot?

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The front garden is quite small.

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I don't think we need a front garden, anyway, do we?

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No, I just hope that there's a back garden.

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Hmm, fingers crossed!

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First, was the inside...

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Nice bright entrance, isn't it?

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-Yeah.

-Nice and big.

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..which was about as positive as it got from Phillipa.

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I find it strange that the main bedrooms are at the front.

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-Yeah.

-Is that just me?

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Possibly, but Mathew was not giving up.

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Was the open-plan living a selling point?

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Much better shaped than our kitchen.

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And you could be washing up while I'm eating my tea.

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You won't be getting any tea!

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This is definitely not an upgrade to what we've got, is it?

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You wouldn't move across the world for this.

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Mathew may have been fighting a losing battle

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but did the main bedroom improve Phillipa's mood?

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-It's got an en-suite.

-Oh, well, that's just what we need.

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I hope there's another bathroom because I'd want a bath.

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Yeah, obviously a separate bath and shower

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for the potential children we might have.

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One step at a time!

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Mathew's excitement was short lived, though,

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when even he couldn't muster the enthusiasm for the bathroom.

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Rental properties' bathrooms are bigger than this.

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-That's not very big.

-And the outside didn't fare much better either.

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-It's quite small, isn't it?

-It doesn't feel like it's a garden.

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-No, it's just like a little patio sort of situation.

-Yeah.

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-I don't know, it feels quite claustrophobic, doesn't it?

-Yeah.

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Phillipa's mind was made up.

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We need better than this to move.

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But how much change, if any, would they have got

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from their £190,000 budget?

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Well, I'm guessing £156,000.

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I'd be happy to pay about £140,000 for this.

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-Shall we find out?

-Yes.

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Wow. It's quite expensive.

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That was at the lower end of their budget.

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We don't really need to see anything else because if that's what we can

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afford then it's not...

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-There's no point, is there?

-No.

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Disappointment all round, really.

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Oh, well.

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-Well, we can see the others.

-Yeah, thanks!

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It may have been affordable but neither Mathew nor Phillipa

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believed this house was good value.

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The next property was in the much sought-after Vines area,

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a wine-growing region around 20 miles from central Perth.

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But did this three-bedroom house harvest

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a better reaction from the couple?

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It looks more like a home.

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It sounded promising.

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-Oh, this is much nicer.

-That is really nice.

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-It's got a fire. It looks like it might be pretend but...

-Yeah.

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..but the fact that it's there is good.

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Was this the house to get Phillipa fired up about Mathew's dream?

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This is definitely a million times more homely than the last one.

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-Yeah.

-And a million reasons for Mathew to be happy, too.

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You cook, you eat, you sit down and chill out, don't you?

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Yeah, I suppose.

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And then you go outside for a suntan.

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I really hope that the rest of the house, kind of...

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-The theme continues.

-Yeah.

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-This is more like it, isn't it?

-And it did.

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En-suite.

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The door's a bit annoying, though, it's next to the shower and that

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but I think I'd just remove the door.

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-I'd like a door.

-Right, OK.

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Slightly encouraged, Mathew went in for the kill.

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Would you move for this bedroom?

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If all the other boxes were ticked then, yeah, this bedroom's lovely.

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That's what we're after.

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Unfortunately, the bathroom was a wash-out for Phillipa.

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-Oh, no bath.

-No. Very small.

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Do Australians just not like bathing?

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I don't want a house where there's not bath.

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I didn't realise this was one of your things.

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I didn't but I didn't think there would be a house without a bath.

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And outside, the mood really took a plunge.

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-It's a bit small.

-It is a bit small.

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Obviously we've got Ollie, the dog, so if we were to get chickens

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as well, then they'd need that whole area.

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Well, we just won't get chickens then.

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-Simple.

-I want chickens.

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I think this outside space is fine.

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Just like the fact that there's no bath is fine.

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I think we'd get over it.

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-We would?

-Yeah.

-OK.

-I'd move out here for this house.

-OK.

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Bye, then!

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It didn't look good for Mathew's dream,

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but would the price make a difference?

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I think it's going to be about £211,000.

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I'm going to say £195,000.

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-OK.

-OK, let's have a look then.

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-Oh! What did you say?

-Winner!

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That was almost £6,000 over budget.

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I think that's a decent price, especially compared to the last one.

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-Yeah.

-You're getting a lot more for your money.

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I don't know if I'd move to the other side of the world

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for this house, for that price, but it's definitely an improvement.

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Property two proved to be better quality and,

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with the right jobs down under, possibly affordable.

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But it still wasn't quite perfect.

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The next house, however, we thought might be their dream home.

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It was in the family-friendly suburb of Aveley,

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but did the house win over Phillipa?

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-Oh, wow.

-This is massive.

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This is much more what I expected

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-from an Australian home.

-Yeah, the expensive one!

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Mathew was already fearful that his dream was beyond their reach.

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This is unbelievable.

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You see, that's a kitchen.

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-Very, very, very nice.

-Yeah.

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This is the kind of kitchen I had in my mind

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as to why we should move out to Australia.

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But then Phillipa started worrying about the price, too.

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This could be, like, if we worked really, really hard.

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We just won't ever be able to afford to have children.

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-Or a life!

-Or a life.

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They were equally impressed with the main bedroom.

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-Wow.

-Oh, wow.

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That's really big.

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And it leads out on to that outside patio area...

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-Yeah, that's lovely.

-..which is really nice.

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This is a dream house for us, isn't it, really?

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I think this house is amazing.

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They were both bowled over, but there was something

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there just for Phillipa.

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-Oh, look, Phil, there's a bath.

-Yay!

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See, that's not much to ask for, is it?

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How can you not want this?

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Before Phillipa got too comfortable, though,

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a turn of the card was required to see

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if their £190,000 budget would pay for this property.

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-How much do you think it's worth?

-210.

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I'd say a little bit more. £224,000.

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-Shall we find out?

-Yeah.

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I don't think we could afford this!

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Right now, anyway.

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-Maybe in the future.

-Maybe.

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At almost £100,000 over budget, it was something to aspire towards

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if they could secure the right work and salaries down under.

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Property one came in bottom on the couple's budget

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but it lacked outdoor space and they felt it wasn't good value for money.

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Priced at almost £6,000 over budget,

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property two had the right location but its narrow back yard got the

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thumbs down from Phillipa.

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Despite another small garden,

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house number three got both Mathew and Phillipa excited,

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but at almost £100,000 over budget,

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it was the kind of house they could have aimed towards in the future.

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So, how did they vote between property in the UK and Australia?

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Based on the properties we have seen today, our vote goes for...

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-Australia.

-UK.

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Why have you voted for the UK?

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I just think that we'd genuinely get so much more for that money at home.

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I think we'd only get maybe a bit of outside space

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which we wouldn't be using anyway because the weather's so bad.

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At the moment, I just think we could afford more at home.

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Phillipa's vote for the UK didn't completely surprise Mathew,

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but it placed even greater emphasis on the importance

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of them finding good jobs.

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Back in the UK, Mathew was an engineer in the army.

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I fix predominantly the electrics on armoured vehicles.

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I've been all over the world including Ghana and Afghanistan.

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But he was ready for change.

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I've been in the army since I was 16 and I am actually looking

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-for my next career.

-Phillipa was to qualify as a teaching assistant,

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hoping to work with children with learning difficulties.

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If you spent ten minutes, half an hour,

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speaking with a child and you can see the difference

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that's made to them, it makes you feel

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like it's a bit more worthwhile.

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As the main visa applicant,

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the pressure was on Mathew to secure the right job,

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ideally one that would give the couple more time together.

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My Australian job will hopefully be more nine to five sort of thing,

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not having to travel as much.

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Yeah, I just really want to spend more time with her and just have a

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better life, really.

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Hoping to work with life-saving medical equipment in Australia,

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we arranged for Mathew to meet engineering manager John Pereira

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at Perth's Fiona Stanley Hospital.

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How come that one's not yellow?

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-Because they're off-line at the moment.

-Right, OK.

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After a tour of the facilities,

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Mathew got straight to the heart of the matter -

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were his skills transferable?

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Most of your English qualifications will be recognised over here but you

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have to apply for that recognition.

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Knowing your skill level,

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I'd probably look at being a field service engineer.

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In a field service job,

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would I be based here or would I be based somewhere else?

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No, field service, by its definition, is a field service,

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so then you would actually be moving from place to place.

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That wasn't good news.

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Travel was something Mathew hoped to avoid.

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Next was the hours.

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I'm currently working five days away from home

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so I don't get to see my partner very often.

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What's it like being in Australia working?

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We do try to keep the work-life balance correct

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so that you do get your family time.

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But if you're a field service engineer, it's a bit more varied.

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You can probably be working some longer hours,

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you might have to do some weekend work.

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Variable hours were also far from ideal.

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Meanwhile, Phillipa went to Hillarys Primary School

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to meet with associate principal Gary Deere.

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We have about 19 education assistants

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here at this school looking after the kids who have special needs.

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So would my qualifications be transferable here?

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You don't need a qualification to actually start.

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Most of the education assistants we have here would have started off as

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-people who came in and did some relief work in the school.

-Yeah.

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Well, that's kind of how I've started as well so...

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-That's right.

-And the salary?

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Between 35-38,000 Australian dollars,

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which is probably around £18,000.

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£18,000 was the same amount Phillipa would start on in the UK.

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But what were her chances of getting a job down under?

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I think with your background that you'd be quite a good candidate.

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Your prospects are quite good to find employment here.

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The future looked bright for Phillipa on the work front.

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For Mathew, however, he still needed to know

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if his earning potential was comparable to pay in the UK.

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Obviously, you haven't got the direct experience so they'd probably

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put you on a junior level, about £45-50,000.

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As you progress, £60-70,000.

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Even at the lower end, that would be more than what I'd be expected

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to get in England, so that's really good.

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Well, this is Australia!

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The potential to earn over £10,000 more a year than he did in the UK

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was great news, which left just one question.

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If I were to come to Australia today, would I get work?

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Absolutely. The sky's your limit, really.

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Both Mathew and Phillipa were encouraged

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by their prospects of work down under,

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but was it enough for them to both vote for Oz?

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So after our day looking at what jobs

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we could possibly get in Australia, our vote goes to...

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-Australia.

-Australia.

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I'm quite surprised you chose Australia.

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It's nice to hear you sounding so happy about something

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outside of the army, like, looking forward to something else.

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I'm just happy that you're happy, really.

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Obviously, you've got job opportunities as well

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so it makes it good for both of us, really.

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With such positive news on the work front leading to Phillipa's first

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vote for Australia, Mathew's dream was back on track.

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And a day together sampling all that a lifestyle down under could offer

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was hopefully the best way to keep it there.

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So this is how you start it.

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-This is the red one to stop the engine. OK?

-Yeah.

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After the required safety briefing,

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it was time to jet ski off into the lifestyle

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Mathew had been promising Phillipa.

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The day got off to a great start and Mathew played the advantage.

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We're moving to Australia now. Let's go find a house!

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And he didn't give up over lunch.

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So can we move to Australia now, please?

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-We'll see.

-Still no "yes"!

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No definite "yes"!

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I've had really enjoyable day spending the day with Mathew,

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but it's just really, really strange to think that...

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Like, I wouldn't be able to do this with my family.

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Mathew knew what he was asking her to give up but he didn't back down.

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She's always talking about contacting her family.

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Well, I'm just trying to explain to her

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that this is better for us and better for our future family.

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I've just been brought up constantly around all these people.

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I just think I don't want any children of mine to think

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well, I've took that away from them.

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With family firmly in mind,

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was Phillipa able to vote for an Australian lifestyle?

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Based on today's activities, we're going to vote for...

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-Australia.

-Australia.

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Why did you vote for Australia?

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It's important for me to think about us and our future and the fact that

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we want to start our own family one day.

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I just can't really think of a better place to do it.

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Another vote for Australia was a great result for Mathew,

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but he knew the move needed to add up in more ways than one.

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To help work out how they would fare financially,

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we've provided a cost of living comparison,

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starting with the weekly food shop.

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That's mushrooms, they're more expensive.

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-£1 more.

-We actually eat quite a lot of mushrooms, really.

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So far it looks like our shop here would be more expensive, doesn't it?

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So in Australia we would be £18.10 worse off.

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Which isn't dramatic, is it?

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Next, they looked at the bigger monthly bills,

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basing their mortgage repayment on the second property they viewed.

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Water's a bit more.

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Electricity is a bit more.

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-It's just when everything's a bit more, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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And it soon adds up.

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All in, they would be paying out almost £80 more per month

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in Australia.

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But Mathew's higher earnings soon put a positive spin on things.

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That's £671.64 extra a month,

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which is obviously a lot of money.

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See, that would make a huge difference.

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Together, their joint income would be almost £1,000 more.

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That's like another person.

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-I'm quite happy with that.

-Well, yeah!

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That will sort us right out, wouldn't it?

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The sums confirmed they would have a sizeable amount

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of surplus cash down under.

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Overall in Australia, every month we'll be better off by £877.32.

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-That's mad.

-Write that down on that piece of paper.

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That's £10,000 more every year and Mathew was ecstatic.

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I'll ring the estate agent now and put a deposit down.

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OK, then, you go and do that! Make me a brew whilst you're there.

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-All right.

-With such positive figures,

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there was very little doubt when it came to the vote.

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After working out our earnings and potential cost of living here

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in Australia, our vote goes to...

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-Australia.

-Australia.

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No-brainer, isn't it?

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The realisation they could thrive financially in Australia

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was encouraging, but Mathew was all too aware that the big hurdle

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for Phillipa was the prospect of leaving her family.

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Are you ready to see what our families think, then?

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I'm ready. Are you?

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-Yeah, I think.

-OK.

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-BOTH:

-Hi, Phillipa, Mathew!

-How you doing?

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Hi, Phil, hi, Matt.

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Hope you're having a good time.

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I've walked the dogs, fed the chickens,

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so you don't have to hurry back!

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She is my eldest and she's incredibly fierce.

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There's no-one more loyal and protective.

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She is like my second mum.

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She looks after me.

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She is the absolute go-to girl.

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If you need any help, it's Phillipa all day long.

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Mathew would probably drive her crazy because she's very,

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I would say, organised, whereas Mathew,

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although he's in the army,

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-is a little bit disorganised.

-Cheers, Dad!

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I think it will be really strange if Phil and Matt do decide

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to stay out there.

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So it would be really strange not to talk to them day-to-day

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and see how they're doing.

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The thought of Phillipa having a grandchild of mine and me not being

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around, it doesn't bear thinking about.

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I'd hate to see her go.

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Just the thought of it...

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We really are close and it will be such a big change

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that it will be hard to deal with it,

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but I think it will be a good change for Phillipa,

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so I'm happy.

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Just make sure, Phillipa, that you think long and hard

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about what you do and that it's right for you,

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and both of you.

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Good luck with whatever decision you make.

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Well, if Phillipa and Matt do decide to go,

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I'd be really pleased for them, even though I'd be devastated.

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I couldn't even think about it.

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How do you feel about that, then?

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It was...

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Even though I know...

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I obviously know how they all feel, it's quite strange

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to hear them saying it like that.

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Everyone thinks we should do it.

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Maybe on a personal level, your dad doesn't.

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Yeah, it would be difficult but I know we've got their support.

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A blessing from her family to follow her heart may have made the final

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vote for Phillipa even more difficult

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because now she had to truly contemplate whether or not a move

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down under was what she wanted.

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Right now I think Phillipa's

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seriously debating on whether we should come out here.

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I think she's got more demons to wrestle with than I have.

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I'm one of, like, 16, 17 cousins and stuff,

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there's loads of us, and for my, you know, potential children

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to not have that, I just think is really sad.

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I think we have been on a journey this week.

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To come out and see the job prospects that we have,

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the environment we could be bringing up our family in, our future family,

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I think it's been invaluable.

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Even with her doubts,

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Mathew believed Phillipa would come to terms with the distance.

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I still think she can be persuaded to move out here based on the good,

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positive feedback we've had from the rest of the family.

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Hopefully it's Australia, that's where I think we should be.

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I just hope whatever decision we both make,

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we're both happy with it and we just support each other

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in whatever we both decide.

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The couple had to choose.

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Do they pursue the life in Australia Mathew wanted for them

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or stay close to Phillipa's family in the UK?

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After a fantastic week in Perth, our final decision is...

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-Australia.

-Australia.

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I didn't think you were going to vote for Australia then.

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I don't know if I did but...

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Yeah, I want to do it,

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I want to start this next chapter of our lives here.

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Good. Me too.

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-Not just for me and you, for the future, obviously.

-Yeah.

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Mathew was confident he could persuade Phillipa

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Australia was the best place to start their married life,

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and he was proved right.

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With the potential to find well-paid jobs and enjoy more time together,

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it looked like the couple had found the perfect place

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to start the next chapter of their lives.

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So, 12 months later,

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it's time to find out if the couple are living at home or abroad.

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It's summer 2017 and Mathew and Phillipa are living in...

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..Lancashire, but it might not be forever

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as they have their sights firmly set on a life down under

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following their experience of the trial week in Perth.

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The trial week was awesome.

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It was genuinely better than we could have hoped for

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or expected, really.

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You hear about these kind of postcard places and you just think,

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"Oh, it can't be that good," but it really, really was.

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I really enjoyed it and there was no kind of side of it where I thought

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that wouldn't be for us, or anything like that.

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I thought that she was always, always thinking about her family

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and maybe not thinking about our future family

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as much as I maybe was.

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But she said Australia in the end

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and I think she must have also realised

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that we did have such a good week,

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and we've just had a really good opportunity

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and a chance to experience what it could be like.

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And I think she was just sold by the week.

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When I flipped that card for Australia, it was me saying,

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"I am willing to put 100% in giving it a go."

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No-one can ever say, "Yes, I'm going to move there forever."

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You know, you might get hit by a bus tomorrow so there's no point...

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You can't say anything is going to happen tomorrow,

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all I can say is that I will, hand on heart, give it my best shot.

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After the trial, they spent a further week down under.

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We wanted to stay longer, to be honest,

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but we only just about managed to get the two weeks off,

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because obviously Mathew was still in the army.

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We went to different places like Rottnest Island and went to the zoo.

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-We saw wildlife stuff, really.

-Yeah.

-It was quite interesting.

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The thing that struck me is just how when we were there it was winter,

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and we were just in a vest top and shorts, like...

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It was just so nice to be outside.

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-I mean, here, when we're out walking Ollie...

-Head down.

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..you can't... Yeah, you can't talk to each other!

0:33:160:33:18

You can't appreciate it.

0:33:180:33:20

You can't hear each other for the wind.

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We'd literally be able to do it all year round over there.

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But on their return to the UK, life quickly took over

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at a head-spinning pace, leaving them with little room

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to contemplate a move.

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We kind of had to switch on, really and, like,

0:33:340:33:37

kind of put it to one side because I was getting out of the army,

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I kind of needed a job.

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We had the wedding coming up, hen do, stag dos -

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we had a lot of things coming thick and fast.

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At one point they even considered

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whether the cost of a wedding could be spent in a different way.

0:33:510:33:55

We had the discussion, you know,

0:33:550:33:57

we've got this pot of money that we've saved for the wedding,

0:33:570:34:00

but this money could get us to Australia.

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Like, we could literally start tomorrow, the process,

0:34:030:34:07

we could nip to a registry.

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It's the same outcome, you're married.

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You know, it is what it is at the end of the day.

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We could have a holiday.

0:34:130:34:14

You know, we're in Australia so that could be the holiday anyway.

0:34:140:34:17

But to do this would have stopped them enjoying their planned

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wedding with both families together in Cyprus.

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This would most probably be the last holiday

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with the likes of my grandad and, you know...

0:34:260:34:29

Having all the family together.

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Having the family together, yeah, you know?

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So it was that that kind of prompted us to go ahead with it.

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So they chose to use the money to pay for the wedding

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later in the year and then start saving again for Oz.

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But before they could start filling this Australian purse,

0:34:470:34:50

Mathew had to leave the army and find a job on Civvy Street.

0:34:500:34:55

Yeah, trying to get a job outside the army is a bit daunting

0:34:550:34:59

really at first because you don't know whether your skills

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are transferable and it's a way of trying to tell the civilian company

0:35:020:35:07

that you've done similar sorts of things,

0:35:070:35:11

but, obviously, like, tanks are a lot different

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to electronic producing, er, machinery.

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When he discussed with me that he was thinking of leaving the army,

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you know, I was a bit wary of it

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because it is kind of the most secure job

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you can probably have, you know?

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And it was a massive decision.

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I knew, kind of, what could possibly happen and, you know...

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I don't know, I was just really wary of it.

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But he was kind of insistent.

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But he couldn't take just any job,

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as Mathew knew that if they were to move down under,

0:35:440:35:46

his skills in electronic engineering were their only way to get a high

0:35:460:35:50

enough income to be able to fulfil the dream.

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I did apply for quite a few jobs as well and sometimes you don't hear

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anything back so it's a bit difficult, like...

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Morale-wise, you're looking at it and it's like,

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"Why have I not heard anything back about this?

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"I thought I was perfect for that job."

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And then you're thinking,

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"Oh, am I going to be good enough for, like,

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"any sort of job whatsoever?"

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The pressure of finding a job was not the only strain.

0:36:150:36:19

Mathew's departure from the army

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was nothing less than a culture shock for him.

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Because I've never really lived with Phillipa properly,

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it's always been flying visits on a weekend,

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maybe the odd, "Oh, right, you're here for two weeks now."

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And she'd try to book time off to spend time with me, two weeks,

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and we'd go gallivanting or do something else.

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But this is actually, like, proper home life,

0:36:380:36:41

this is actually, like, proper living and things like that so...

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It was a shock to the system.

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He was really, really anxious about the fact that he needed a job

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sorted straightaway for when he's left.

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I mean, we had savings, it wasn't a huge issue.

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I mean, obviously it would have been nice but he was really, really...

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He'd had a job 24/7 since the age of 16,

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you know, and not the easiest job in the world.

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It's a difficult job.

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So the prospect of him not working, he gets fidgety, and, you know,

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"I'm not doing anything, I need to be doing things."

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So I was just, sort of, like, stewing in my own self-pity, really.

0:37:200:37:25

So that wasn't great and obviously she was getting annoyed with me

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because I was constantly, "Isn't this rubbish, blah, blah, blah."

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She's like, "Yeah, it's been rubbish for quite a while now but..."

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So it was quite emotional getting back to grips with things.

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But get a grip they did.

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As a young couple forging a life together,

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they faced the unknown and took that leap of faith.

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And after a short time, Mathew settled and life began to look up.

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Very graceful!

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Since he's come home, it's...

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It is just so much better.

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I feel like I can support him a lot more.

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And he can support me as well. We're there...

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Even just doing the weekly shop together,

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like, we never did things like that before.

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You know, it would all be there when he got home and

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it's nice just to do these boring kinds of things together.

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-You're alive!

-I didn't die!

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And a few months before the wedding, Mathew had some good news.

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I managed to get a job working for an electronic component-producing

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factory in Oldham.

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So I maintain and repair the equipment that makes the electronic

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components now.

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Life was on the up and up and with Australia back to the

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forefront of their minds,

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they booked their wedding in Cyprus along with an extended holiday for

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their families there.

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We did come to the conclusion that, you know, actually,

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if we do make it to Australia, this will be the last family

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holiday we have with them.

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So we just decided it was worth it to do it that way.

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The wedding was amazing, really.

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We had 17 days in Cyprus in a 5-star hotel.

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It was genuinely perfect in every way for me.

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It was just brilliant.

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We had the church wedding that we wanted still,

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we had the sunshine, you know, everyone was...

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Everyone knows that when it's sunny, it makes people happy

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and it was a wedding day as well,

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so everyone was smiling and you weren't having to worry about

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wind and cold.

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Yeah, it was just really, really nice.

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And whilst, for some, the wedding may have been tinged with sadness

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at the thought of them emigrating, there was now,

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especially in the case of Phillipa's dad,

0:39:530:39:55

more of an acceptance for their move.

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Well, initially when they first said it,

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it's really powerful for someone to say that.

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Yeah, and it was hard then.

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But now we've sort of come to terms with it a little bit more.

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It's... Yeah, it's a good thing that they're doing.

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If that's what they want to do then,

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then the world's a small place now so, yeah, good luck to them.

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But there is still one thing holding them back.

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We kind of had the discussion that if we did one to Australia,

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you know, got pregnant whilst we were over there and then,

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I just said, I would kind of put money on the fact that

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-I'd just be straight back.

-No support from anybody.

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Yeah, like, I work with children, I've been around children

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all my life but that's just...

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I mean, I've never done it before

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and it's just a completely different kettle of fish.

0:40:420:40:45

We're not, like, putting pressure on ourselves saying we want a baby

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by X, Y, Z date, or whatever.

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I think we want to try and have a baby in this country

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before moving to Australia, just so at least our families

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can, like, meet the child first off and get to know them

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and just so we can have them there for support and help,

0:41:050:41:08

more than anything.

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But of course this plan does have a flaw

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which both Phillipa and Mathew are aware of.

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The idea of taking a child away from grandparents might be a bit...

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..hard for them. We might find it difficult just...

0:41:220:41:27

-Well, when I introduced...

-..just for the child really,

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if it's not going to have a relationship and things

0:41:290:41:32

and then obviously grandparents might get annoyed and upset.

0:41:320:41:36

I would like to think that my motivation for giving that child

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and our family the best kind of life would override...

0:41:420:41:47

-And they're not going to lose...

-Feelings of parents.

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Yeah, they're not going to lose out completely.

0:41:500:41:52

We will come back and...

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Family will go over there.

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Regardless of the support that we'd want, I wouldn't...

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I mean, I'm saying I'm going to take them away, I suppose,

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but I'd want my family to be there for that, you know,

0:42:050:42:08

that first period initially.

0:42:080:42:10

-Yeah.

-Just so they can meet their grandchild

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and then we'd take them away again, can't we?

0:42:140:42:16

-They'd obviously meet them...

-"Hey there. See you later!

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-"We're going now!"

-Hmm.

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The plan clearly needs some more finessing,

0:42:220:42:25

but where do they see themselves in five years' time?

0:42:250:42:28

I would say in five years' time

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-about to board the plane to Australia.

-Really?

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-I don't know.

-I'd say we're already there.

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By that point we'd have hopefully had a child, you know,

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hopefully, all being well,

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and we'd be over there and we'd just be getting on with it, really.

0:42:450:42:48

-And we'd be booking the flights. It would be...

-For your mum.

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Yeah, they'd be boarding the flight to come and see us.

0:42:520:42:54

-We'll book it but she can pay!

-Will you stop?!

-No!

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Phillipa and Mathew have clearly set their sights

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on making down under their home.

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With so much ahead of them and so many plans,

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it promises to be a life rich with love,

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adventure and frequent visits from family!

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We wish them all the very best for the future.

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