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Back in 2010, the Wilson family had high hopes of a life down under.

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We are thinking about Australia because a better lifestyle,

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better weather.

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Better living accommodation, just seems to be a lot of betters.

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And the dream might have been just within their grasp.

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Wow! This is absolutely ideal.

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However, husband Chris knew the pressure was on him to deliver.

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If I can't get a job, that comes pretty much on a par with what I'm getting at the minute

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in the UK, I'll be honest, I can't see... I can't see it actually working.

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But could they bear to leave loved ones back home?

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Or would it be too painful?

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I can't do this, sorry.

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It is a lot to think about, yeah. A whole lot to think about.

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Mm...

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Yeah, sorry.

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So, the big question is, where are the Wilsons now?

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In the UK or living down under?

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Australia's famous laid-back way of life,

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sunny climate and almost 50,000 kilometres of coastline have long

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made it the favourite destination for Brits looking to move abroad.

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But life down under doesn't always deliver the paradise new

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arrivals may picture.

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The Wilson family wanted to find out if emigration could offer them

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a better life.

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But a move down under inevitably meant leaving loved ones behind.

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And after a trial week in Australia,

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they were faced with the huge decision of

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whether to stay in the UK or make the move down under for good.

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In 2010, the pretty village of Wilberfoss near York was

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the home to the Wilson family,

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36-year-old Chris, Debs, 35, and their two black labradors,

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Beth and Susie.

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They were keen to explore the idea of taking their dogs

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and making a life-changing move down under.

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But this wasn't the first time they'd upped sticks and moved.

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Chris has been in the RAF for 16 years.

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And was shunted from pillar to post,

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so he is used to packing up his boxes and moving on again.

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We've moved around a considerable amount.

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Something like 12 houses in 14 years.

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It is difficult when you are in the forces, you can't get settled down anywhere.

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As soon as you get there and settle down, you make friends, you get posted and...

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That's it. Boxing up again and we are off.

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-I suppose it kind of in my blood now to get itchy feet every three years, so...

-Yeah.

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Since Chris had left the RAF, they were free to go anywhere

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and Chris was set on moving them lock, stock

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and barrel to the other side of the world.

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Some days I wake up and I'm all excited

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and think it's going to be the best thing since sliced bread.

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Other days, I wake up and panic and think, oh, God,

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it's just too far away.

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It's all the way round the other side of the world.

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And I don't know, it just seems like such a big step to take.

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It's a big decision to make.

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Debs and Chris both dreamt of a life in the sun.

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And the key to that was work.

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Chris loved his job in the UK and he wouldn't settle for second best.

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It's critical that I get this kind of work down in Australia,

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if we were to go. It's what I've been trained to do.

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It's what I've known for pretty much my whole working career.

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It's got to be pretty much the same as what I'm doing now

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to go down there. If it's not, then I don't know,

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it could put a bit of a spanner in the works, so to say.

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But would it proved to be just too hard to leave friends

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and family behind and jet off into the unknown?

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It's a huge decision because I would miss all my family

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up in Scotland because I do go and see them quite a few times a year.

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So I'd miss all of them. I would miss my friends.

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It is a lot to think about, yeah. A whole lot to think about.

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Mm...

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Yeah. Sorry.

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It's just such a big decision to make.

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The Gold Coast, famed for its Mediterranean climate,

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with beaches just minutes away,

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could offer the Wilsons the outdoor lifestyle they wanted.

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It also had a thriving business community and two local airports,

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so there were good job opportunities for both Chris and Debs.

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After a journey of 10,000 miles and 21 hours in the air, the Wilsons

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arrived jet-lagged and keenly aware of just how far from home they were.

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It was probably worth it but it's just such a long time, isn't it?

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-It's a long flight.

-You just never think you are going to get off.

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You've got short haul, long haul, you can add extremely long haul now.

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But the flight hadn't dented their enthusiasm for the coming week.

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Yeah, looking forward to being here, seeing everything

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and finding out what everything is all about.

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And just putting it all together and seeing how it pans out.

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The Wilsons were staying in a rented house in Coomera,

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a suburb of the Gold Coast.

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It was a perfect place to get a taste of what the Australian life could be like.

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The style and layout of this property was very

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different from what they were used to back in the UK.

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So, what would they make of their temporary home?

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-Hm.

-Hm.

-This is nice, isn't it?

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Yeah. I didn't expect it to go straight into the living room.

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-No, straight in...

-The hall.

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I don't know if I totally like the open plan all the way from

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the kitchen, dining room and living room, all as one big open plan.

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I don't know if I like that or not.

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Things were not off to a good start and Chris was in for a shock.

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There is a lot to think about this next week, isn't there?

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Crikey. Loads.

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Everything has got to compare at minimum,

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-compare with what we've got back home.

-Yeah, course, or else it's... There's no point moving.

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-So, yeah, there's a lot to think about.

-A lot to think about.

-It's going to be intense, isn't it?

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Chris and Debs had high expectations of what Australia had to offer.

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If this week left them disappointed,

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it could mean an end to their Aussie dream.

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Back in the UK, Chris and Debs lived in Wilberfoss, near York.

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They had bought this three-bedroom semidetached

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house in 2007 for £165,000 and made it their own.

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They had wanted to take their dogs

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and all their furniture to Australia,

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so finding a suitable home down under could have been a struggle.

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Yeah, three-bedroom, I think is realistic for us to begin with.

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Yes, that's realistic, but what would you like?

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Well, I would like a six bedroom house,

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but realistically, three-bedroom house would be enough.

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Realistically, three bedrooms then, with a double garage.

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Bungalow. One floor.

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Two storeys.

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Well, it looked like someone was going to be disappointed.

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-Very much agreed on that one then.

-Yeah, we are.

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Well, you stay at one end of the street and I'll stay at the other then!

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Chris and Debs knew that being 10,000 miles away from loved ones

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could be lonely, so it was essential that they find a comfortable home.

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Their search started in the suburb of Ormeau.

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Property one was on the market for around £214,000.

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That was at the top end of their budget,

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but with three bedrooms, a double garage and a good size

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garden, it seemed like it had everything they wanted.

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But what would Chris and Debs make of it?

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It's all open plan. You got your kitchen, dining room, living room.

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I'm not sure if I 100% like the whole open plan thing.

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But... Just because I'm not used to it.

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Yeah. I do. I like it.

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Debs seemed positive and it looked like she was winning Chris over.

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It's quite a nice big living area, isn't it?

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It's big, yeah. Plenty of room for the dogs.

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Yeah. Hm.

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Well, the dogs would be fine

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but Chris had found some serious concerns about this house.

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We would not get our size bed in here and our bedside cabinets.

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I just don't think it would be... There wouldn't be enough space.

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Attempting to match a house to their existing furniture

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looked like a tall order.

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This is OK. This bit.

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Nice grassed area as well for the dogs.

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I think, personally, I'd want something slightly bigger.

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Double the size of this.

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That was all well and good but if you were at the top

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of your budget, a bigger garden was impossible.

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What do you think?

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-First impressions weren't good.

-No.

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Don't know why. But outside just seemed a bit shabby.

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I'm not sure I like the idea of one of the bedrooms being

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straight off the kitchen.

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There's only a couple of positives about this. One was a double garage.

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-Yeah.

-I quite like that. And two, its en suite.

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-Now, for me, this property is not for us.

-No, OK.

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It's too small. And I think that's it. It's not for us.

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-Let's go then.

-Let's go.

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It hadn't been a great start and if they couldn't find a house where

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they felt at home, Chris' Australian dream would be a nonstarter.

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Was the next property more up his street?

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-This looks a bit different, doesn't it?

-Yeah.

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I can't make out if it's one house or if it's adjoining houses to it.

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No.

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Property two was a two-storey three-bedroom semidetached

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house, in Ormeau.

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And it was on the market for £226,000.

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That was over budget, but what did they think?

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-This is nice.

-It is nice.

-See, I like this because even though it still open plan,

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it's still kind of the kitchen, dining room, separate.

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I like this better than the previous.

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The last house. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I do.

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That was good. And the Aussie layout seemed to have grown on Chris.

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-I don't think it's quite big enough for our furniture to get in.

-It's not.

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Just how much furniture had they planned on bringing?

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-OK.

-Nice, though.

-Yeah, it is nice, yeah.

-Nice and airy.

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This looks like the master bedroom. We would get a massive bed in here.

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-Yeah, with room to spare.

-Yeah.

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-Wardrobes.

-En suite. Big shower. Like that.

-It is big.

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-Marvellous.

-Hm.

-Hm, yeah.

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-And stairs.

-Brilliant.

-What you've always wanted.

-It is, an upstairs.

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That sounded much more promising.

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If they could stretch their budget, was this house for them?

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This property is really nice.

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Probably because it's very similar to the houses

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we have back in the UK, in that it's got an upstairs.

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I like the house but I haven't seen the garden yet.

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But judging by the size of the house,

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I'm assuming that it's got a fairly decent sized garden.

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So, that will be good.

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So this is like... This is it, here.

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-It will go.

-Yeah, this is it.

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-Small.

-It is small, isn't it?

-I thought it would be slightly bigger.

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And so all you've got is this grass area here.

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-That's disappointing.

-Very, very disappointing.

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-Couldn't really call it a garden, could you?

-No.

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-If it had like trellising round it, it would be classed as a window box.

-Yeah.

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Property two wasn't for them either, but to get a house that they

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liked with the space they wanted, they'd have to pay even more

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and their budget was already stretched to the limit.

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Was their hopes of a life in Australia over before it had begun?

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-This looks nice, doesn't it?

-It does.

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Property three was very nice.

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But it should have been, with a price tag of £255,000.

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That was 50 grand over budget.

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-This is an improvement.

-Hm. It's nice and big, isn't it?

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-Yeah.

-Definitely fit the bed in here.

-Certainly will.

-Yeah.

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Quite a nice size.

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We could probably fit most of our furniture in here.

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-Most of it. Probably not all of it.

-Mm.

-Yeah.

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Well, if we are not going to fit our furniture in there, we are certainly going to fit it in here!

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-We'll have to buy some more furniture.

-Oh, yeah.

-Because we haven't got enough now.

-No.

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-It is a nice size room though.

-It's a very nice sized room.

-And the kitchen is fab, isn't it?

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-Great size kitchen.

-Yeah.

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After a quick tour around the rest of the house,

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it all looked promising, but was the garden big enough?

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This is a nice sized garden. Wow!

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This would suit the dogs, down to the ground.

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Can you imagine them...? Oh...

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They would just love this.

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This is absolutely ideal for the dogs.

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-I can just see them sat there.

-Sunning themselves.

-Yeah.

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For the size of the grassed area,

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-like, the general patio area seems quite small.

-Mm.

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You could have a larger entertainment area.

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-Yeah. Very impressed.

-Yeah, I like this a lot.

-Yeah.

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Finally, a property they both liked, but it was over budget

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and it would have been a real struggle to buy a house like this.

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They were going to have to have a serious rethink about what

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sort of property they could have afforded.

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Property one just wasn't for them and left them cold.

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Although property two ticked a lot of boxes,

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the tiny garden was a huge disappointment.

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But house number three was spot on, on everything except the price.

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So, were they tempted into a dream they couldn't afford?

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And how did they vote?

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-UK.

-Australia.

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I didn't think you would. I thought you would go Australia.

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I've surprised myself a little bit, I think.

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-But I've been a little disappointed today.

-Right.

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People don't realise in the UK that house prices have

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-massively boomed out here.

-Yeah.

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You don't get as much for your money today as what you used to do.

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-And that's been reflected today.

-I know, but...

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I just think you do get more room for your money.

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Back in the UK, Chris and Debs enjoyed an active social life,

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helped by their two incomes. To maintain this lifestyle,

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they would have both had to have found work in Oz.

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Debs was an experienced legal secretary, but it was Chris'

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skills as an aircraft engineer that was key to their move down under.

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The job I have here is exactly what I'm after, working on search

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and rescue is a really rewarding job, you know.

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In the business of saving and helping people.

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And this is the kind of work I would be looking

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for if we were going to go down under.

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After discovering Australian property was more expensive than

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they thought, Chris and Debs knew that their budget would be tighter,

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so it was vital for Chris to be impressed by his work opportunities.

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For me, getting a job down in Australia is absolutely paramount.

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If I can't get a job that comes pretty much on a par with what

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I'm getting at the minute in the UK, then I'll be honest, I can't see...

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I can't see it actually working.

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I'm also very anxious that if the wage structure isn't

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what we require,

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if the hours aren't quite the same as what I'm working

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in the UK, I think to be honest, this is going to be make or break.

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Chris was determined to replicate his UK

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job as closely as possible, so we sent him to Careflight Search and

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Rescue Helicopter Base in Coolangatta to meet pilot Jeremy Ovens.

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-Nice to meet you, mate.

-Welcome to Australia.

-Thank you very much.

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-What would you like to see? Do you want to see around the hangar?

-Sure, yeah, that would be great.

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Yeah, let's have a look around.

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The air rescue base was expanding its fleet of helicopters

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and jets, which meant more work to keep them in the air 24 hours a day.

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Yeah, normal jobs are going to smaller country hospitals.

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-And bringing the patient back to intensive care units.

-OK.

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These small hospitals are good.

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A lot of the time they haven't got the facilities to fix the patient.

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But with only a small engineering team,

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Chris needed to be sure there would be work opportunities for him.

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-Chris?

-Yeah, Chris.

-Nice to meet you, Chris.

-And you.

-Originally, we were outsourcing it

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-but now we are trying to keep our maintenance in-house.

-OK.

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So, we get contractors in, but what we are trying to do is we are

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trying to build up a nice network of staff in-house,

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-so that we keep it all in-house and do it ourselves.

-OK.

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So, we are always looking for new guys to come on board.

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It was important Chris felt the work matched up

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with his job in the UK, if he was to even consider the move.

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Back in the Yorkshire, Debs worked as a legal secretary

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and had earned around £17,000 a year.

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But would she be able to match it?

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We sent Debs to a recruitment agency to find out what her job

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prospects were like.

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-Hello, Cheryl Dobson, how are you?

-Pleased to meet you.

-Did you find us OK?

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-Yes, I did, thank you.

-Come on through. I noticed that you had a good legal background.

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-You've done a lot of legal typing and things like that.

-Yes, it's mainly legal area that I work in.

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I've worked in various departments in the legal sector.

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-We have a lot of unemployment on the Gold Coast.

-OK.

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However, with looking at your skills and experience,

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you shouldn't have difficulty. And I think the thing about the Gold Coast is we've got

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-so many legal practices here.

-Right.

-So there's probably a lot of opportunity.

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Salary's another issue. Looking at your resume,

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I would probably say anywhere between 40 and AU45,000.

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-OK.

-That's probably about the market.

-OK.

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At the present. It could go up or down, it just depends.

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That was great news.

0:18:040:18:07

Debs could earn £6,000-£9,000 a year more than in the UK.

0:18:070:18:09

Hopefully I'll look forward to seeing you when you move here.

0:18:090:18:12

-OK, that's lovely. Thank you so much for your time.

-All the best. Have a safe trip home.

0:18:120:18:16

Thanks. Will do. Thank you. Bye. After seeing Cheryl,

0:18:160:18:19

it's just sorted out everything in my mind because it's always been...

0:18:190:18:23

Not always been about Chris and that I've been left out because I haven't really.

0:18:230:18:27

But it's always been about Chris' job and where he's going to get

0:18:270:18:31

a job, how he's going to fit in, or what the salary is going to be like.

0:18:310:18:34

So, for me, seeing Cheryl today has just answered 101 questions for me.

0:18:340:18:40

Back at the airport, there was unwelcome news for Chris.

0:18:400:18:44

Despite his 16 years of experience in the RAF, he would need to

0:18:440:18:48

pass numerous costly exams to be licensed in Australia.

0:18:480:18:52

The way we work in Australia, you have a CASA license, then you'll either be an airframe engine trade

0:18:520:18:57

-guy, or you'll be electrical instrument and radio.

-Right.

-Two separate trades.

-OK.

0:18:570:19:01

-Are you an airframe engine guy?

-Yeah, airframe engineer.

-You'd have to set your core basic exams.

-Yeah.

0:19:010:19:06

And then CASA would give you the license specific...

0:19:060:19:09

So it looks like Chris was going to have to hit the books if

0:19:090:19:12

he wanted to become a fully licensed aircraft engineer in Australia.

0:19:120:19:16

What effect did that have on his plans?

0:19:160:19:18

If the opportunity came along for me to apply for a job

0:19:180:19:20

and I got the job, what kind of salary could I expect to earn?

0:19:200:19:23

For unlicensed engineers, around about AU55-AU60,000 a year.

0:19:230:19:29

If you are licensed, that is...

0:19:290:19:32

You are legally able to work on an aircraft,

0:19:320:19:35

you could probably expect the roundabout AU90,000 mark per year.

0:19:350:19:40

I mean, engineers are sought after everywhere.

0:19:400:19:44

If I was to come to you looking to do my licence,

0:19:440:19:47

-I could do the licence in-house?

-Sure. Yeah.

0:19:470:19:50

It's a lot of outlay, financial outlay, on our behalf,

0:19:500:19:53

so we would want to see a return of service from the employee.

0:19:530:19:56

So that money is not just thrown away.

0:19:560:20:00

Even as an unlicensed engineer, he'd earn £10,000 more than in the UK.

0:20:000:20:05

So with everything he'd seen, how did he vote?

0:20:050:20:08

I've met the guys, great bunch of guys.

0:20:080:20:11

They've told me about the salary, which is

0:20:110:20:13

quite a bit more than the UK.

0:20:130:20:15

But I love my job in the UK. I love the guys I work with in the UK.

0:20:160:20:19

So, weighing it all up, I'm going to vote for...

0:20:210:20:25

..Australia.

0:20:290:20:31

With Chris' vote for Australia, Debs'

0:20:370:20:39

dream of a life down under was a step closer.

0:20:390:20:42

But would they actually be better off living there?

0:20:420:20:45

To help them figure it out,

0:20:450:20:46

we had prepared a breakdown of their everyday living costs.

0:20:460:20:49

So, we've got salary to begin with,

0:20:510:20:54

which was obviously your income and then my income.

0:20:540:20:57

The utilities that we pay out every month are more

0:20:570:21:00

expensive in Australia than they are in the UK.

0:21:000:21:04

-There's a couple of things that are under.

-Hm.

0:21:040:21:07

So now we've got a weekly shop.

0:21:070:21:10

The total for the week for UK is 71.90.

0:21:100:21:14

Then you've got 79. That surprises me.

0:21:140:21:17

I thought it would have been a lot more.

0:21:170:21:20

-We've got property.

-OK.

0:21:200:21:22

That would be monthly repayments.

0:21:220:21:25

-So that's in pounds.

-Mm.

0:21:250:21:27

-£1,137.

-Ooh!

0:21:270:21:29

-That's a lot of money.

-More than we're paying now!

-Yeah.

0:21:290:21:32

The biggest property we have been to see then,

0:21:320:21:36

-the mortgage payment per month would leave us with £273 a month.

-Yeah.

0:21:360:21:44

That's not a lot.

0:21:460:21:48

Property 3, on the current wage system we're on the minute,

0:21:480:21:51

we can't afford, however after me finding out I could potentially earn

0:21:510:21:55

double my salary than what I earn in the UK and you can earn more,

0:21:550:21:59

all of a sudden property number 3 comes way in.

0:21:590:22:01

At least now we have a choice

0:22:010:22:03

whether we want to come to Australia or not rather than being

0:22:030:22:06

told you can't afford to buy a house and have to stay in the UK.

0:22:060:22:09

Uh-huh.

0:22:090:22:11

Their monthly outlay was much greater than expected.

0:22:140:22:17

But if they both got good jobs, was it still possible?

0:22:170:22:20

So how did this affect their votes?

0:22:200:22:22

It goes without saying we'd have more money in the pot if we

0:22:220:22:26

were to live in Australia, so based on that, we're going to vote for...

0:22:260:22:30

-Australia.

-Australia.

0:22:330:22:34

To give the Wilsons a taste of the Australian lifestyle,

0:22:390:22:42

we had arranged a day of activities for them,

0:22:420:22:44

starting with a hike with the Slate family, Annalise, John

0:22:440:22:48

and their two small boys.

0:22:480:22:49

John was originally from Scotland

0:22:490:22:52

but had moved down under with his Australian family in 2008.

0:22:520:22:55

Wow!

0:22:550:22:57

That's really impressive, isn't it?

0:22:570:23:00

-Is quite nice behind all the cloud there.

-Yeah.

0:23:000:23:02

The Springbrook National Park consisted of over 8,000 acres

0:23:020:23:06

of tropical rainforest with stunning views of the mountains.

0:23:060:23:09

Chris loved everything about it but Debs, slightly

0:23:090:23:12

afraid of heights, decided she'd rather hang back.

0:23:120:23:15

It's a lovely view, Debs.

0:23:150:23:16

-We can all vouch for that.

-OK, thank you.

0:23:160:23:19

I'm all right here but I just don't like being right on the edge.

0:23:190:23:24

If it gives way, I can just take a step back and they can all go

0:23:240:23:28

and I will still be here.

0:23:280:23:30

Back in the UK, Chris and Debs had an active social life

0:23:320:23:34

but if they were to move to Oz, they'd be on their own

0:23:340:23:37

so they went to the local rugby club social to meet

0:23:370:23:39

some potential new friends.

0:23:390:23:41

The man of the hour, Chris. Harry Lyman, welcome down to the club,

0:23:410:23:45

-mate, how are you doing?

-Yeah, not bad, you?

0:23:450:23:48

Not too bad. We've got a couple of little fellows lined up for you.

0:23:480:23:51

Yeah, so I understand!

0:23:510:23:53

-See this Fijian fellow here?

-Yeah, the small guy.

-Yeah.

-Yeah, yeah.

0:23:530:23:56

-Take him out first, do you reckon?

-No!

0:23:560:24:00

OK, guys, 20 push-ups altogether, on Chris. Chris, you call it.

0:24:010:24:06

Everybody on Chris, listen to him. 20 push-ups, Chris?

0:24:060:24:10

Two, three, four, five, six...

0:24:120:24:15

As Chris's love of rugby was put to the test, there was

0:24:150:24:18

one big issue that preyed on Debs' mind.

0:24:180:24:21

My thoughts about Australia are probably a bit mixed.

0:24:230:24:27

Because even though everybody is really friendly,

0:24:270:24:32

mainly my reservations are about leaving my family, my friends,

0:24:320:24:35

so it's still that big decision of whether we should come out or not.

0:24:350:24:41

So we've got a lot to think about but it's definitely the right

0:24:410:24:45

decision coming over to have a look at everything

0:24:450:24:47

and see how things are going and yeah, we'll just take it from there.

0:24:470:24:52

Good friends you've known for years can never be replaced

0:24:520:24:55

and the thought of loved ones was obviously tugging at Debs'

0:24:550:24:58

heart but would this affect her decision?

0:24:580:25:00

Since we arrived here in Australia we've met a number of people.

0:25:020:25:05

Really friendly. It's a great atmosphere.

0:25:050:25:07

It's really sociable

0:25:070:25:09

but I can't stop thinking about our friends in the UK.

0:25:090:25:12

And therefore I am going to vote...

0:25:120:25:14

-UK.

-I'm in the middle.

0:25:180:25:21

What are you thinking?

0:25:230:25:25

It's difficult because we need friends out here

0:25:250:25:27

if we live out here, but we also still need our friends at home

0:25:270:25:30

because even though we are thousands of miles away, we'll still need them.

0:25:300:25:33

The guys we have met since we came out here are brilliant

0:25:330:25:36

but I feel like voting for Australia

0:25:360:25:37

-is betraying our friends that we've got in the UK.

-Yeah.

0:25:370:25:40

Whether we come or not we are still going to need our friends in the UK.

0:25:400:25:43

Yeah. It's just a really difficult decision to make.

0:25:430:25:46

It's definitely difficult to leave people back home. Definitely.

0:25:460:25:51

Erm, yeah...

0:25:520:25:55

Erm, there is a few.

0:26:000:26:02

But...

0:26:020:26:04

To be perfectly honest, we don't see a huge amount of each other

0:26:040:26:07

but it's just that we are always on the other end of the phone.

0:26:070:26:10

I know that would probably happen here but we would be able to

0:26:100:26:15

phone each other probably just as much but it's really hard.

0:26:150:26:19

Yeah.

0:26:190:26:21

Upset at the thought of those they would be leaving behind,

0:26:290:26:32

it was time to watch messages from friends and family back home.

0:26:320:26:35

-Hello.

-Hello, Deborah.

0:26:350:26:36

Hi, Chris. Hi, Debs.

0:26:360:26:37

Hi, Debs and Chris.

0:26:370:26:39

Erm, I hope you're enjoying yourselves out there.

0:26:390:26:42

I'm sure you are.

0:26:420:26:43

Chris is a loving, caring brother to me.

0:26:430:26:47

He's funny, he makes me laugh, he makes the whole family life.

0:26:470:26:50

He's very caring, very thoughtful, very loving

0:26:500:26:54

and very supportive as a son.

0:26:540:26:56

We couldn't ask for a better son to be quite honest.

0:26:560:27:00

We really really good friends, obviously we're sisters

0:27:000:27:03

but we are best friends.

0:27:030:27:05

Basically, she is my soul mate.

0:27:050:27:07

There is a big age difference, 12 years but, erm...

0:27:070:27:10

I can't do this, sorry.

0:27:100:27:12

-SHE SOBS

-I can't speak about her.

0:27:120:27:15

Even though we don't see each other often, we're close.

0:27:160:27:20

Erm... She's my baby.

0:27:200:27:22

The dogs are immensely important to Chris and Debs.

0:27:240:27:27

They are big part of their lives

0:27:270:27:29

and everything is geared round, what they do,

0:27:290:27:32

is geared around the dogs.

0:27:320:27:35

They've been thinking about starting a family for a while

0:27:350:27:38

but obviously since they started the process of applying for their

0:27:380:27:42

visas for Australia,

0:27:420:27:43

it's something they have put out to the back their minds.

0:27:430:27:46

I think if Chris and Debs were to have a family,

0:27:460:27:49

I would miss my niece or nephew whichever it would be.

0:27:490:27:53

Yeah, that would be a big hole in my heart, I think.

0:27:530:27:56

It's Chris and Debs' life in Australia.

0:27:560:27:59

If that's what they want, then I'd have to forfeit a little hug

0:27:590:28:03

and a cuddle and make up for it when they did see them.

0:28:030:28:07

Like I say, we'd like to form that relationship

0:28:070:28:10

one way or another so that at least our grandchildren would

0:28:100:28:12

know, it is grandma and grandad from York.

0:28:120:28:15

I'd just miss everything about them really.

0:28:150:28:17

They're both real close and dear friends so I'd miss them a lot.

0:28:170:28:22

We're also getting married in September.

0:28:220:28:24

-So I'd be absolutely gutted if they were to miss that.

-Yeah.

0:28:240:28:28

The thing I would miss most about Debs is well,

0:28:280:28:30

there's not just one thing.

0:28:300:28:31

It's just everything. I'd miss Debs.

0:28:310:28:35

That's it. There's nothing more to say about that. I'd just miss her.

0:28:350:28:38

We're obviously going to miss you.

0:28:380:28:41

But of course it's your life and all Dad and I want is whatever

0:28:410:28:46

you want and make the most of the life you've got.

0:28:460:28:50

That's all we can say and we wish you both the best.

0:28:500:28:54

Erm, love her to bits.

0:28:560:28:57

Erm...

0:28:590:29:01

But I just...

0:29:010:29:02

I can't explain really, it's just because she's ours and...

0:29:040:29:09

..we just love her a lot.

0:29:100:29:13

It's a long way away.

0:29:130:29:16

It's a long way away.

0:29:160:29:18

They say the world's getting smaller but it's still a long way away.

0:29:180:29:22

You all right?

0:29:260:29:27

Yeah(!) Mm...

0:29:270:29:31

I am.

0:29:320:29:35

-It's weird, isn't it?

-Mm-hm.

0:29:370:29:40

Seeing them on telly.

0:29:400:29:41

It's not something you get every day.

0:29:410:29:44

They all said we'll miss you but you do what is right for you.

0:29:440:29:49

-I'm happy that everyone is supportive of what decision we're going to make.

-Yeah.

0:29:490:29:54

The thing with Kev about the wedding as well.

0:29:550:29:58

-Yeah, they would be gutted if we couldn't make it.

-Yeah.

0:29:580:30:01

I don't know.

0:30:030:30:04

It was the end of the Wilson's trial week in Australia

0:30:110:30:13

and the outcome was by no means certain.

0:30:130:30:16

Chris and Debs have started full of hope.

0:30:160:30:18

Looking forward to being here, seeing everything

0:30:180:30:20

and finding out what everything is all about

0:30:200:30:23

and just putting it all together and seeing how that pans out.

0:30:230:30:26

-But the properties had been a let down.

-First impressions weren't good.

0:30:260:30:29

-This property is not for us.

-No, OK.

0:30:290:30:33

-It's too small. That's it, it's not for us.

-Right. Let's go then.

-Let's go.

0:30:330:30:36

And the thoughts of loved ones left behind proved too much for Debs.

0:30:360:30:39

-I can't do this, sorry.

-Erm, love her to bits. She's my baby.

0:30:390:30:45

To be perfectly honest,

0:30:450:30:46

we don't see a huge amount of each other but it's just really hard.

0:30:460:30:50

Yeah.

0:30:500:30:52

So was the emotional tug of leaving loved ones behind too great

0:30:520:30:56

or was the chance of a new life in Australia too hard to

0:30:560:30:59

turn their backs on? It was time for them to vote.

0:30:590:31:02

It's been an amazing, fantastic opportunity coming here,

0:31:040:31:07

the things we have found out and seen.

0:31:070:31:09

It goes without saying that the weather is absolutely

0:31:090:31:11

fantastic for us and for the dogs.

0:31:110:31:13

We loved it here and we just think it is fab in all aspects

0:31:130:31:18

and for that reason we are going to vote...

0:31:180:31:21

-Australia.

-Australia.

0:31:230:31:26

Yay!

0:31:260:31:28

At least we agreed on something, haven't we?

0:31:300:31:33

Is that the first time or something?

0:31:330:31:35

But even with the big decision made, saying goodbye was hard to do.

0:31:370:31:41

Reservations probably about leaving family

0:31:410:31:44

and friends behind because everything else for here is

0:31:440:31:49

just too good an opportunity to miss so best pack your suitcase

0:31:490:31:52

and save your money because you are coming out for a holiday.

0:31:520:31:55

It was a week of surprises for Chris and Debs

0:32:020:32:05

but in the end they agreed their future was in Australia.

0:32:050:32:10

So seven years later, it is time to find out

0:32:100:32:13

if the Wilsons are living at home or away.

0:32:130:32:15

It's 2017 and the Wilsons are living in Perth,

0:32:180:32:21

on the opposite side of the Australia from the Gold Coast.

0:32:210:32:24

When we did our trial week on the Gold Coast over east, yeah,

0:32:240:32:28

we did that, it was really good.

0:32:280:32:31

We got the house valued, didn't we?

0:32:310:32:34

-We thought about it a bit more, I think.

-Yeah.

0:32:340:32:36

Then we eventually put on the market and thought it was going to

0:32:360:32:40

sell straightaway, like everybody does and it didn't.

0:32:400:32:44

No.

0:32:440:32:46

Things started to lull a little bit

0:32:460:32:48

and although we were ready to go to Australia, we couldn't actually go

0:32:480:32:51

until we had sold the house and then when the house actually sold that was it.

0:32:510:32:54

It was like, yes, we're going.

0:32:540:32:57

Then we flew out on February 17, 2012.

0:32:570:33:01

It was strange as well like, putting our notice in for work and that.

0:33:010:33:06

All my friends at work, we were both in really good jobs,

0:33:060:33:09

-really enjoyed them.

-Yeah.

0:33:090:33:11

The guys at my work were like, "My God, what are you doing?"

0:33:110:33:16

You know like, some people talk about doing stuff

0:33:160:33:19

-and we are actually doing it.

-Yeah, yeah.

0:33:190:33:22

It was like, walking out that last day at work, you know,

0:33:220:33:25

-we are doing this.

-Mm.

0:33:250:33:26

Well, I cried pretty much the whole last day at work.

0:33:260:33:30

I think it had finally hit me.

0:33:300:33:31

Once I had left work that was it,

0:33:310:33:33

"Oh God, we're actually going."

0:33:330:33:36

But since their trial week, the couple had decided on a new destination.

0:33:360:33:40

Going to Perth because we had never been before was a bit of a risk,

0:33:420:33:46

but looking back now, I don't think we even thought about it.

0:33:460:33:49

So we arrived in Perth

0:33:490:33:50

and we had already arranged with friends who had just moved

0:33:500:33:55

over here about 10 months before that, they came and picked us up.

0:33:550:34:01

While staying with friends for a few weeks,

0:34:030:34:06

they encountered a problem straight away.

0:34:060:34:09

Literally when you went to a rental property inspection where

0:34:090:34:12

everybody comes at once, there was like 50 or 60 people would go to

0:34:120:34:16

one house because everybody was looking for a rental.

0:34:160:34:19

In 2014, Perth was in the middle of a rental market boom

0:34:190:34:23

and competition for suitable properties was tough.

0:34:230:34:26

They have like open half hour houses where you go for half

0:34:260:34:29

an hour and have a look at the property.

0:34:290:34:32

If you like it you make an application and hand it in.

0:34:320:34:35

So there was probably about 50 people turning up at each rental open house.

0:34:350:34:40

How it works is,

0:34:420:34:45

the estate agent picks what they think are the three best applicants.

0:34:450:34:49

-How you become the best applicants, I don't know.

-I don't know.

0:34:490:34:52

Then they give those three to the landlord and the landlord chooses.

0:34:520:34:55

Yeah.

0:34:550:34:57

We had maybe been to about 10 and then Chris ended up going

0:34:570:35:00

with Anne our friend while I was at work.

0:35:000:35:06

I hadn't seen it but Chris had seen it.

0:35:060:35:10

I didn't like it.

0:35:100:35:14

But it was a house so we moved in and I just hated it

0:35:140:35:19

the whole year that we were there.

0:35:190:35:21

There was just something about the house that I just didn't like.

0:35:210:35:25

The whole situation was making Debs very homesick.

0:35:250:35:28

Debs was quite homesick.

0:35:280:35:32

She was finding it hard.

0:35:320:35:34

The job she was in wasn't really the job she wanted.

0:35:340:35:37

The house we were in wasn't the house she wanted it.

0:35:370:35:40

It kind of puts a bit of a strain on things,

0:35:410:35:44

especially when you are on the other side of the world.

0:35:440:35:47

You haven't really got family to go and see and friends,

0:35:470:35:52

lifelong friends to go and see and talk things through.

0:35:520:35:56

Yeah, that was a hard...

0:35:580:35:59

That was a hard time, really, because I was...

0:35:590:36:03

..I was positive, I was happy, things were going along nicely,

0:36:030:36:07

and, er... Yeah, not so for Debs at the time.

0:36:070:36:11

I kind of had a reality check,

0:36:110:36:13

and it just kind of hit me one day

0:36:130:36:15

that I was on the other side of the world,

0:36:150:36:17

and it just really turned me upside down.

0:36:170:36:21

So, probably for a good year after that,

0:36:210:36:24

I was, um...

0:36:240:36:25

Yeah, there was a lot of the time, probably more than Chris knows,

0:36:270:36:30

but a lot of the time, I really could have packed my bags

0:36:300:36:33

and gone back.

0:36:330:36:35

You know, you've got the pressure of trying to make your own job work,

0:36:350:36:39

trying to, like, get houses sorted so you can pay bills

0:36:390:36:44

and things like that, and...

0:36:440:36:46

You know, when you've got your wife, who's not with you...

0:36:470:36:53

..on the same page, you know, trying to make a life of it here,

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almost makes life unbearable, in a way.

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And you've got pressure there, then,

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on yourself to make things work, then the added pressure

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of trying to help your wife and help her through it,

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and it was hard with my shift work as well, because there was nights

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where I wouldn't see her and I'd be thinking, you know, is she OK?

0:37:210:37:24

What is she thinking about?

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And, you know, it just put a bit of a strain on things,

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and it's one of the things I didn't really factor into,

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when we came out, was...

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..not the negativity as such, just the...

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..how hard it was going to be for her.

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And soon afterwards,

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the couple had to deal with even more difficult times.

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Quite a lot of people had actually said to us,

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"Are you taking the dogs?" and when we said yes, they were gobsmacked.

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But it was so important for us,

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because the dogs, we haven't got any children, so the dogs are our life.

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So, it was pretty much no, we're definitely taking them,

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there's no two ways about it.

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So, once we started the process, that was it.

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It was like, definitely no doubt at all they were coming with us.

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Unfortunately, a year later, we lost Susie.

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Yeah, lost her in the April, so...

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And that was, for me, probably the hardest thing I've ever had

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-to decide to do, because it was our decision.

-Mm-hm.

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It is part and parcel of life that, you know, you're...

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..you're going to live longer than your dogs,

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and you've got to go through it,

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and it's only when that time comes, you realise how hard it is.

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And... Yeah.

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I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

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And, you know, things happen in people's lives back home

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that you miss out on,

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like, you know, babies were born, people were getting married,

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you know, and you'd see them on Facebook and they were,

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like, doing this, that and the next thing on social media and it's like,

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"Oh, I could have been doing that with them if I was still there."

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So it kind of pulled at the heartstrings quite a bit.

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So, it did take me a good year,

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year and a half to maybe get my head around, well, life goes on,

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you've made this decision, you're in a fantastic country,

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we're making a go of it, we feel happy, so you've just got to

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let that side go and just make the most of it when you go home.

0:39:260:39:30

Debs and Chris were still determined to make things work,

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and while looking for a permanent base, they struck upon an idea.

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When we started looking at the houses,

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we didn't really see anything that we liked,

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and the other option you've got out here

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-is to actually buy land and build.

-Mm-hm.

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And because we liked this area,

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that's what we kind of decided to do.

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But we knew we wanted to stay here, didn't we, in Baldivis?

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Because it was such an up-and-coming area that there was so much

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land, that we knew that this was probably the best place

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to start building a house and then go from there

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if we wanted to move to another suburb later on,

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-but we were quite happy in this area, weren't we?

-Yeah.

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Like, build your own house, you know,

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cos we don't really get that opportunity in the UK.

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I wasn't...

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I was up for it, I wasn't saying I didn't want to do it,

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but Chris was definitely more adamant that he wanted

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to build a house rather than buy an established house.

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When we first got the plans for the house,

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like, all the drawings of each individual room,

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the kitchen was actually over in the dining room area,

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and this was going to be the dining room,

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-but you've got that opportunity...

-I remember that, yeah.

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..to turn it around and say, well, would you mind

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if we put the kitchen over there instead?

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Like, doing that kind of thing, like,

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messing around with the footprint.

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We moved into this house in March 2015.

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So, it was just over a year from when the foundations went in

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to moving in.

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The more I remember it, it was like,

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just a brilliant, brilliant feeling of, like,

0:41:040:41:08

building your own house.

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Of course, a new house needs a new dog for housebreaking.

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We decided to get a new puppy in August 2016.

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She's just, like, full of beans all the time,

0:41:200:41:24

and just probably about half an hour before we go to bed,

0:41:240:41:29

that's when she settles down.

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She just loves to play, she's a sprightly little thing,

0:41:300:41:33

she's full of love.

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Obviously, we had Susie, we still have Beth,

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and you kind of imagine them all to be the same kind of character,

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but they're not - so, Beth was different from Susie

0:41:420:41:46

and now Maggie's different from Beth.

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So, yeah, she's just a lovely, lovely dog.

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After building their own house,

0:41:520:41:54

Debs and Chris knew Australia was their home

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and decided to make it official, applying for citizenship.

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Yeah, it was really proud, I think, becoming Australian citizens.

0:42:000:42:03

-That ceremony we had with the Mayor...

-Mm-hm.

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..it was all, like, doing the oath, and then singing the anthem

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and things like that.

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Putting on a little bit of a do afterwards with the drinks and food,

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it was like a big celebration,

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and then getting the Aussie passports through

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-and things like that...

-Yeah!

-You know, it's...

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Yeah, it was a proud moment, wasn't it?

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It's almost like, we've done it now, you know?

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We've made it, we've made it.

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So, do the Wilsons have any advice

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for anyone considering the move down under?

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At the end of the day, you can always go back.

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If it's really not for you, you can always go back.

0:42:390:42:42

-Life is...

-You can be a Ping-Pong Pom!

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-That's what they call them.

-Yeah.

-Don't they?

-Yeah.

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"Them" - it's us, really, we're Poms, aren't we?

0:42:490:42:52

Don't get started!

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But, yeah, so, they'll come over, don't like it for six months

0:42:530:42:57

or a year, go back again, and then realise that the UK's not

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what they want it to be, it's not any better,

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so we'll just come back to Australia again.

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-But life is not a rehearsal.

-No.

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-You just get one shot at it, so...

-You do.

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You've got to do it. Grab it with both hands and do it.

0:43:110:43:13

The Wilsons originally wanted to settle down

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and build a new life for themselves down under,

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and after a number of years living in Australia,

0:43:220:43:25

they have quite literally done that.

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We wish both Debs and Chris the very best for the future.

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