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For five years, Vivian Stirk dreamt about moving down under... | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
When you see the lifestyle that you can have out there, | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
why can't we have the same? | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
..but the future she wanted | 0:00:10 | 0:00:12 | |
-presented the toughest choice of her life. -I can't leave her! -SHE SOBS | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
And after a week dealing with high prices... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:20 | |
It's not going to happen, is it? | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
..and high emotions, the Stirks had to decide if New Zealand was a dream | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
they could afford and share. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
There's always going to be somebody in this triangle that is going | 0:00:29 | 0:00:32 | |
-to be upset. -But where will we find the Stirk family living now - | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
in the UK or New Zealand? | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
FUNKY MUSIC PLAYS | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
Every year, thousands of us move to New Zealand for a new start. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
The more relaxed pace of life, beautiful scenery and population of | 0:01:06 | 0:01:11 | |
only 4.6 million are a powerful draw. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
However, the reality of taking on such a huge challenge doesn't work | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
out for everyone, and many return home, missing their old lives. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
The Stirk family wanted to find out if emigration could offer them a | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
better future. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
They had one week to experience life in New Zealand before they faced a | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
huge decision - | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
whether to stay in the UK or to make the move down under for good. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
Their journey took them across three continents and 12 time zones, | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
spending an eye-watering 24 hours in the air. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
It's the first time any of the Stirks have set foot in | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
New Zealand, and the marathon | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
journey left them with mixed feelings. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
-We've had about two hours' sleep, so we're a bit tired. -If that! | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
A bit strange to start with, but I'm sure we'll | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
-all settle down soon. -I'm really excited. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
A little bit nervous as well, | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
but looking forward to seeing the houses and the area itself. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
Ahead was a week that would challenge them all, | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
half a world away from their home in Yorkshire. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
In 2012, the Stirks lived in the town of Cleckheaton. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
They were Viv, a school administrator, Darren, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
a telecommunications engineer, and their three children. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
Daniella was a student midwife, Emma was 16 years old, and Ben was 12. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:41 | |
The family were born and bred Yorkshire folk and the couple had | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
lived in Cleckheaton all their married life. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:47 | |
-We are happy here, aren't we? -Yeah. -It's OK. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
I think we've got everything we need round here. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
So we're going to move to the other side of the world instead? | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
-Possibly! -LAUGHTER | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
-Yeah. -Viv's reasons for emigrating started out as a simple desire for | 0:02:58 | 0:03:02 | |
-better weather. -I think the dream materialised | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
originally because I got very, very fed up of our English climate. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
We do get some nice warm weather in our country, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
but it's just not consistent. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
The Stirks were an active, outdoor family, so the Kiwi lifestyle Viv | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
dreamed of seemed perfect. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
The lifestyle that you can have out there, you just think, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
"Well, why can't we have the same?" | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
Not that I'm not happy being here, but you just think, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
"Well, could we possibly have that?" | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
While Viv's hopes grew over the years, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
Darren took longer to come round to the idea of emigrating. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
As the main breadwinner, he knew how big the risk was. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
From my point of view, giving up the best job I've ever had is something | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
that I really need to be sure of. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
I don't want to just walk away from that and find I made the biggest | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
mistake I could ever make. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
Despite the risks, they had hopes New Zealand would give their | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
children a better life and a better tomorrow. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
It's all right encouraging your children to do well at school, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
go to university, but if there aren't the jobs there, then | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
where's the future? | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
And I'm hoping that I'm not wrong in saying that | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
they might have a better chance of that over in New Zealand. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Both Emma and Ben were happy to give New Zealand a try. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
I am excited about it all, but I'm really scared as well. Cos, like, | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
if I don't like it but everyone else does, and how much it means to my | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
-mum as well. -If it's good, then, you know, I might want to go, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
but if it's not... | 0:04:36 | 0:04:37 | |
-..stay here. -But for the eldest sister, Daniella, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
it was a far tougher decision to face. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
Daniella's got a boyfriend of 3.5 years. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
-That's not going to be easy to deal with, for her or for you. -No. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
That is a massive concern now. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
Daniella wanted to train as a midwife, and saw her career and | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
future in the UK. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
I'm hopefully off to uni in October, so that's my career. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
To move and start totally again, it's just... | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
It's like you're tied down here, really. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
She had been with Danny since she was 16. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
I do see myself being with Daniella in years to come and, er... | 0:05:11 | 0:05:16 | |
I don't think we would still be together after this amount of time | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
if I didn't at least think that. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
I think people always frown upon us saying that sort of thing | 0:05:21 | 0:05:25 | |
-because we're so young. -Both Daniella and Viv had a difficult | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
choice, and Viv knew just how much was at stake. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
The bottom line is I am asking | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
her to finish things with Danny if | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
it meant that we could all be together. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
But there's never going to be a happy ending, is there? | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
There's always going to be somebody in this triangle that is going to be | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
-upset. -Breaking family ties was another concern. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
Viv's parents had passed away, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
but the children were very close to Darren's mum and dad. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
We are taking their grandchildren away from them, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
but I also think that, deep down, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
they will understand the reasons for doing it, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
that we want to try and see whether there is a better future for us. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
But the prospect of the Stirks not | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
being together put this future at risk. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
If Daniella can't go, we'll just have to give it up. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
-I can't leave her! -SHE SOBS | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
You all right? | 0:06:31 | 0:06:33 | |
I just can't leave her. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
I want us all to go, because I can't leave one of my children, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
no matter how old she is. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
If it's what she really wanted to do, then she should do it, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
so... | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
But she won't if I won't go. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
At this moment in time, it's all of us or nothing, it really is. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
For their trial week, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:01 | |
the Stirks visited Auckland on New Zealand's North Island. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Home for the week was this three-bedroom apartment in the | 0:07:04 | 0:07:08 | |
Mission Bay area, complete with its own shared sports facilities. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
Oh, this is absolutely awesome. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
It's amazing. It's just a world away from anything we've ever really | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
-experienced. -Yeah, it is, yeah. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
Oh, we'd never get anything like this round, erm, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
-in Cleckheaton. -I think that's a definite yes, | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
but thoughts do turn to the week ahead and the huge decision facing | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
the Stirks. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
My hopes for this week are to get more of an answer as to | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
whether we could make this work. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
We've still got to be realistic, but, yeah, it's looking good. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
I'm feeling nervous and excited. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
-Yeah. -So am I. -Cos it's something new. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
I'm looking forward to all the different experiences that I've got | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
-to come. -So I'm hoping at the end of this week we can say, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:58 | |
one way or another, "Yeah, we could definitely live here." | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Back in 2012, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
the Stirks shared this three-bedroom family home in Cleckheaton. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
They believed it was worth £140,000, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
and with a total budget of £200,000, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
they were being realistic over what they were looking for. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
The house doesn't need to be any bigger. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
Maybe an extra bathroom. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
It's a struggle having three females in the house and one bathroom. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
To find out what kind of house they could actually have in New Zealand, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
we showed them three properties - | 0:08:33 | 0:08:35 | |
two on budget and a dream home to aspire to. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
First stop was Gulf Harbour, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
a peaceful suburb just an hour's drive from Auckland city centre. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
This semi-detached property had great sea views, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
but what did the Stirks think of it? | 0:08:49 | 0:08:52 | |
Don't like it. It's not much of an area for sitting out as a family. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
It doesn't compare to the space that we have at home. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:01 | |
That wasn't a good start. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
But did the indoors lift the mood? | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
Kitchen straight into a living room. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
-We'd be giving up a lot of room. -If you're making a Sunday roast, | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
-then you'd have a smell all in this room. -Yeah. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
It looked like open-plan was not to the family's taste, and the decking | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
-area... -It doesn't blow me away. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:17 | |
-No, it doesn't at all. -Definitely not. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:19 | |
-It almost feels like you're living in a caravan. -Yeah. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
Whilst the three bedrooms were spacious, | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
convincing Daniella to emigrate was made much harder by having to share | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
a bedroom as she currently did. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
-It's a lot smaller than the one at home. -Yeah. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
One option was to convert the garage. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
-I think you'd spoil the house if you turned this into a bedroom. -Yeah. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
It looked as if the house was simply too small for the Stirks' | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
needs, but with their £200,000 budget, was it affordable? | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
£190,000. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
I'm a little bit stunned, actually, to how much that is. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
In spite of it being just within reach, the price tag was a real | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
shock, especially for Viv. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
-It's not going to happen, is it? -It's not looking like it is, no. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
-It's not. -Not from what I've seen so far. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Seeing the reality of living in New Zealand's most expensive city cast a | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
dark cloud over the day. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
But did the next house help to raise everyone's spirits? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
It was a three-bedroom detached property in the Swanson area of west | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
-Auckland. -What do you think, initially? | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
-It looks nice, actually. Yeah, it does, it looks nice. -Yeah. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
That was much more encouraging, and the outdoor space ticked Darren's | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
wish list for a large garden. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
-Wow, that's amazing! -Oh! -Yeah, I like... | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
The surroundings are excellent. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
I like this. There's plenty of room there for sitting out on. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
The inside didn't disappoint either. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
-Nice size. -Yeah. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
Nice size. See what we've got in here. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
Bedroom. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
-Nice-size bedroom, isn't it? -Yeah, it's fine. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
Another bedroom. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:09 | |
This bedroom is OK for Ben, but that other bedroom's not... | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
-Big enough for the girls? -..not very big. -Right. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
-So they could be struggling with the space. -Yeah. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:23 | |
Despite the good start, | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
the lack of a fourth bedroom was an all-too-familiar problem. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
-So, what we've got... -We would have | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
to do the same thing that we've done at home and put... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
-Yeah, two beds in. -..Emma and Daniella in here... | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
-They'd have to share one. -..then we'd have to | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
-go in there... -Yeah. -..with the double bed. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
And the children didn't need to go too far to see what was missing. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
But if the price tag was right, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
were the Stirks willing to squeeze in? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
Oh... | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
That's a shock. 192,000? | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
Yeah. I think the prices are | 0:11:59 | 0:12:00 | |
definitely going up because of the area. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
I personally think that you are getting better value for money with | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
our house then you are with this. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
But I thought this was definitely doable. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
The property's price tag notwithstanding, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
this was a definite improvement for the family. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
Their final stop was further away from the city centre in leafy | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
West Auckland. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
-I like this. Idyllic. -That looks absolutely gorgeous. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
On paper, this house had everything the Stirks were looking for, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
with four bedrooms, two bathrooms and plenty of living space, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:34 | |
even for a family of five. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
-Oh, goodness me! -Open-plan lounge again, kitchen. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
-But just look at that. -Even the views were bigger. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:47 | |
-It is perfection. -Oh, that is huge! | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
-You can't hear the M62 from here, can you? -No. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
-That was Darren sold, and Viv? -I think this is probably the | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
nicest house I have ever, ever seen in my life. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
-Really? -That I've ever been in. -If I could afford this, I would be | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
-signing on the dotted line right now. -Right. -Seriously. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
It feels good, doesn't it? It does, it feels right. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
The Stirks had seemed to have | 0:13:09 | 0:13:10 | |
found exactly what they were looking for. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
There was enough bedrooms for everyone, and two bathrooms, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
putting an end to the morning rush hour. And with a huge garden | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
there was something for the whole family to enjoy. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
-It's just everything we've wanted in a house.. -It is. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
..when we've talked about emigrating. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
It's like it's been made to our specifications, don't you think? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
-And put in the right place. -Put in the right place. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
Yeah. It's just perfect in every way. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:35 | |
-Can't fault it at all. -I don't want to see the price, do you? -No. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
This house seemed to have rekindled Viv's hopes, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
but after seeing the hard facts of Auckland's property prices, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
was the dream house just that? | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
Ready? I don't really want to look. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
Emma? | 0:13:53 | 0:13:54 | |
£319,000. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
I'm not shocked and I'm not upset. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
I'm really glad that we have had the chance to look at this house. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
If this is £319,000, there could be something within our budget, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
-couldn't there? -We're going to have to get a mortgage, but then... | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
-Yeah. -It was Emma's turn to be disappointed, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
but Viv had taken the positives from this house and it gave Darren an | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
-idea. -If all three of us were working full-time, then... | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
-We could just about pay the mortgage. -Am I living here as well? -LAUGHTER | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
-I could never leave. -But it's nice to dream. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
It's nice to dream, yeah. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
It was quite a day for the Stirks. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
The first property was just about affordable, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
but it didn't have the space they wanted, inside or out. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
The second property was an improvement, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
but still missing that all-important fourth bedroom. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
And the final house offered everything they wanted, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
but at a very high price. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
So after a bumpy landing in New Zealand, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
did the Stirks believe that there could be a home for them down under? | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
Based on the properties we've seen today, our vote goes to... | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
-UK. -The UK. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
-Unanimous. -Yep. -Why am I not surprised? | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
-I'm not surprised. -If you're going to move all this way, | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
-you want to be blown away by your house. -You do. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
-Or at least like it a little bit. -Yeah. -LAUGHTER | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
House prices in Auckland were a stony wake-up call for Viv's hopes | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
of emigrating. If her dream was to become a reality, | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
it was vital for Darren to find good work opportunities. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
Back in the UK, Darren was a telecoms engineer, | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
earning around £25,000 a year. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
He knew the risks of leaving a secure job all too well. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
To give this up, I would have to be sure that what I'm walking into is | 0:15:57 | 0:16:02 | |
either the same or better. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
With finances already tight, finding the right job was vital, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
so we sent Darren to a large telecoms company in Auckland, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
where general manager Ross Lockwood was on hand to meet him. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
-Come on through and we'll have a chat. -Thank you. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
A good result here promised a big lift for Viv, but with so much at | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
stake, it was just one piece of the puzzle. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
If the job news is good news, we've got a lot of talking to do, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
because we've still got other things to think about. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
It's definitely a step in the right direction, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
but there's not just myself and Darren to consider about this. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
We've got three children who also need to be a part of it, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
so we'll just have to see. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
How similar do you think the role of my job would be to the UK? | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
I think what you do, we have people that do exactly the same thing here, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
remembering, of course, that, originally, a long time ago, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
the whole network here and all the telephone exchanges | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
were all modelled on the British Telecom system. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
Whilst Darren talked shop, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:04 | |
Viv and Daniella visited the Auckland University of Technology. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:09 | |
Daniella wanted to become a midwife, and if training in Auckland was an | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
attractive option, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
Viv's hopes of keeping the family together would get a real boost. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
Dr Judith McColl was a course lecturer, and Daniella was keen to | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
see if studying there was right for her. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
How competitive is it to be given a place? | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
Probably a rule of thumb is we take about 100 to 110 first-year | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
students, and probably for every one | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
of those places we have four applicants for | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
-every one of those places. -You'll recognise the qualifications, then, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
from the UK, that Daniella possesses? | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
Yeah, what would get you entrance to university there, | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
-entrance to university here. -Yeah. -Yeah. -Whilst the process of becoming | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
a midwife was similar to home, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
-did Darren get equally good news on the job front? -It's subject to a | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
whole lot of things that we'll run through in a minute. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
I'd be prepared to consider you for a position here now. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
We don't have a huge amount of business in Auckland at the moment, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
but we certainly have work and vacancies, you know, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
scattered throughout the country. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
That also sounded promising, but as the family breadwinner, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
what were his salary prospects? | 0:18:15 | 0:18:17 | |
What would I be expected to earn with my skills? | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
I've looked at the people that work in my organisation that have the | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
same skills as you, and the minimum wage is £22,000 minimum, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
and the maximum person gets paid about £30,000 a year. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
-Thank you. -It looked like Darren could at least match his UK salary, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
but emigrating without a pay rise might not work if Daniella's | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
university fees increased. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
It's about 7,000 a year for what we call domestic students. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:50 | |
For international students, it's of course a lot more expensive - | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
over 20,000 a year. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
Without a resident visa for Daniella, the course fees were much, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
much more. However, she did keep an open mind. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
It does sound very promising to come here and reassuring to have that | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
option, but to already have the place in England, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
it puts another obstacle in my way. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
And after getting hands-on with Kiwi telecoms, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
Darren also had a lot to consider. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
So had he seen enough that day to vote for New Zealand? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
Based on my experience today at work, my vote goes to... | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
New Zealand. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
I was a little bit apprehensive about what I would find, but it's... | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
I'm looking at virtually the same thing as what I'm used to. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
Darren's vote for Auckland was a huge boost for Viv, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
but for a sport-loving family like the Stirks, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
it's the lifestyle that could be key to whether they move or not. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
At home, life for the Stirks was all about getting up, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
getting out and getting active. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
So we sent the family off to see what Auckland's great outdoors could | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
offer them. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
As long as Dad could get into his life jacket! LAUGHTER | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
And Ben looked happy, even if Emma was like a fish out of water. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
EMMA SCREAMS | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
Put your legs out. Are you ready? | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
I'm going to fall in! | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
But for Viv, this was what she came here to find. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
I've noticed a difference in the children as the week's gone on. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
They've all seemed like they're starting to really | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
get used to being here. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
-I mean, I'm already getting used to it. -Are you? -Yeah. -It's nice. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
-It's going to be a shock when we go home. -Cleckheaton. -Cleckheaton. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
But there was no reason to get unduly concerned yet, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
as the day had only begun. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
The family all had their favourite sports, and Emma's was gymnastics. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:01 | |
Once back on dry land, | 0:21:01 | 0:21:03 | |
she went with Daniella to see what facilities Auckland had to offer. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
Finding a connection to Kiwi life was an important element for the | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
Stirks, one that might have helped cushion the blow of emigrating, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
making life easier to bear. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Now, seeing the gymnastics, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
I feel like there's a lot more out here for me. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
Like, before I didn't really feel like I'd connected with anything, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
cos I hadn't really done much, | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
apart from going and seeing the houses and that, but now I'm feeling | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
a bit more confident and excited about it all. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
But if we moved over here... | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
We couldn't really afford, and it all goes wrong, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
when our life at home is quite comfortable at the moment, so... | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
It's a lot to put on the line. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
The girls knew just how much was at stake if they were to emigrate, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
but did the benefits make the risks worthwhile? | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
The icing on the cake for a family who love rugby league most of all | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
was a chance to see New Zealand take on Australia. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
ENERGETIC DANCE MUSIC PLAYS | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
CHEERING | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
So, having sampled the lifestyle, did they vote home or away? | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
Based on the lifestyle of New Zealand compared to the UK, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
our vote goes to... | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
-New Zealand! -New Zealand. -New Zealand. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
Everyone's voted New Zealand. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:32 | |
It's been a really good game of rugby, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
and with the added bonus of being able to be nice and warm. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
It's nice not to wear five jumpers, isn't it? | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
A unanimous vote for New Zealand was one step closer to Viv's dream, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
but a lifestyle has to be paid for. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
Getting the right price for their UK home in Cleckheaton was vital if | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
emigrating was to be affordable. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
The Stirks believed it was worth £140,000, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
but did two local estate agents agree? | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
A nice living room. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
You know, a good focal point for the house, really. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
Modern kitchen, very light, very airy, opening up onto the garden, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
which is excellent. It's a nice room, is this. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
Very good-sized garden, but they've landscaped it. It's very nice. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
They obviously spend a lot of time out here. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
Again, it's very well decorated. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
Two sharing - I presume it's a teenagers' bedroom. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
The space isn't massive, but they've got the best use out of it, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
-and I think that's it. -LAUGHTER | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
So what will be the second original bedroom they're using as the master | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
bedroom, utilising the space of the room there, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
with the fitted wardrobes. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
Just exactly what you need. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
So what I'd expect from a third bedroom is this. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
I don't think anybody would want any more from a third bedroom. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
It's not a box room, by any means. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
Overall, excellent family house. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
Been extended, so you've got a lot of space downstairs. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
Within half a mile of the M62, which is great for commuters. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
So a good residential family area, yeah. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
My valuation today as an asking price would be 125,000, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
to probably achieve around about 120. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:18 | |
In my opinion, in the current market, this house is worth 125,000. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
For a quick sale, you'd probably be looking at about 115. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
-Huh... -That's even... That's a long way under what I... | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
-Less. -A lot less. -VIV SIGHS | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
-Not good, is it? -No. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
With the work that's gone into the house, and the extension, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
-I'm actually quite shocked. -Mmm. Me too. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
It's amazing how your feelings can just dumb down so much, isn't it? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:52 | |
-Mmm. -You want to move to New Zealand to better your life, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
but the way things are going, you'd be making it harder. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
The house evaluations were far less than Viv and Darren had hoped for, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
and once again, finances became key for this emigration dream. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
So we provided a comparison of the family's costs of living at home and | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
abroad. First was the weekly shop. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
Milk's quite expensive, isn't it? | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
-Yeah, milk's expensive, yeah. -We do go through a lot of milk. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
-A joint of meat's about the same. -Yeah. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
So in the UK... | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
101 a week. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
125. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:32 | |
That wasn't the best start, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
but it was the family's mortgage payments that were crucial. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
They based them on a £200,000 mortgage. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
-And the repayments would be £804... -£804 a month. -..a month, yeah. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:49 | |
Right, but ours is 210. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
Yeah, that's what we're paying now, what our house is costing us now. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
-Yeah. -Their monthly mortgage had just gone through the roof, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
and that was without the cost of relocating. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
Looking at these figures now, then, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
we would actually be about £634 worse off, living in New Zealand, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:09 | |
so... Do you think this move's affordable? | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
-No. -Definitely not? -No. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
With the figures presenting a serious risk to the family's | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
finances, Viv's dream was once again looking unreachable. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
So, based on the numbers, how did they vote? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
-UK. -The UK. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
I'd love to live here, there's no doubt about that. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
It's a beautiful place, and you can see that the weather and the | 0:26:42 | 0:26:45 | |
-lifestyle is fantastic. -Yeah. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
But you've got to be able to afford it as well. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
Yeah, just not rich enough, are we? | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
No, we're not rich enough. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:52 | |
-Poor Northerners. -Poor Northerners. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
Never mind. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
The messages from friends and family were always going to be difficult, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
but all the Stirks wanted to watch, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
no matter how emotional it might have been. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
Well, hi, everybody. I hope you're having a great time out there. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
-Hi. -Hiya from Mum's house. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
-Hiya, Daniella... -Hope you're having a great time. -..Emma, Ben, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
Darren, Viv. Out of the three of them, I would say Daniella will be | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
the one that could cause a problem. She'll want to please her mum and | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
dad, but she'll also want to please her boyfriend | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
who she's been going out with for three years, which is a long time. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
I mean, I was married at 19, so, you know, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
which is the same age as what Daniella is now. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
I love my family beyond measure. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
If they do go, I would miss them so much. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
Well, I know I'm not going to be happy, but | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
I've just got to accept it and hope that they have a nice life | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
and everything turns out nice, you know, and well for them. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
Their going would leave a void that would be impossible to fill. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
I think we'd be bereft, wouldn't we? | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
SHE WEEPS | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
It's a prospect that I don't really want to contemplate. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
Hello, everyone. Hope you're all having a good time. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
I hope you're enjoying it, and I'm missing you a lot, Daniella. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
I don't want you to go, really, but... | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
..that's completely up to you. Obviously I can't stop you, but | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
I'd really, really miss you if you went, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
and I'd like you to stay, but... | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
..decision's yours. Don't come to any hasty decisions. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
And, erm, just enjoy it while you're out there. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
Yeah, you can understand where they're coming from. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
-And their views and opinions are... They're natural, aren't they? -Yeah. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
You don't want to sound selfish by saying you've got to live your | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
-life for yourself. But you have, haven't you? -Mmm. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
-Do you think any of them will lend us any money? -LAUGHTER | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
I really don't know! | 0:29:16 | 0:29:18 | |
Seeing the people they love was a reminder for the Stirks that the | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
real cost of emigrating is not counted in dollars. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
But having fallen for the lifestyle, and their week all but over, | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
was their final vote made with their hearts or with their heads? | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
The week has been absolutely fantastic. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
There's been a couple of emotional times, but generally, for me, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
it's been very fulfilling. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
It's a lovely place. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
It's just a perfect place to live... | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
..if you could afford it. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:55 | |
We've come here ten years too late. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
There's a lot of obstacles that wouldn't have been there ten years | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
ago that are there now - financial and personal. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:05 | |
I did really hope that Daniella would come round | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
to our way of thinking. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
I honestly do believe that she's | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
shut her feelings off since we've been here, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
purely because Danny's in her life. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
I came with an open mind, but deep, deep down, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:25 | |
I am more pointed to the UK because of everything that you have got to | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
-lose. -If they were, you know, nine, | 0:30:28 | 0:30:31 | |
six and two, that would be different, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
but they're teenagers and they've got their own plans now, to a point. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
I know there's no way I could ever leave Danny. Like, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
I'm happy where I am. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:43 | |
I can't see myself with anybody else. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
So it does change things, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
-obviously. -SHE LAUGHS | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
It was an eye-opening week for the Stirks, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
but did emotional and financial costs end this dream? Or did the | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
taste of life down under convince them that the biggest gamble | 0:30:58 | 0:31:02 | |
of their lives was worth it? | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Based on our week in New Zealand, our vote goes to... | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
-New Zealand. -New Zealand. -UK. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
-Three to two, we're outvoted. -Yeah. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
So why did you choose UK, then? | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
This is a beautiful country, but I just miss family too much. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
I can see myself living here, cos it is a very nice place, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
but I'm still a bit undecided, and like you said, "Go with your heart," | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
and my heart says UK. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
Why have you chosen New Zealand? | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
In my heart, I do feel that if we really wanted to give it a go, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
we could find the perfect property for us. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
And I have enjoyed this experience so much that it's going to be really | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
-hard, I think, for me, just to walk away... -To get back into, er... | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
..I really do. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
There are no easy answers for a family divided on whether to | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
emigrate or not. But with Viv well and truly won over by what this | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
country had to offer, it's clear | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
they had a lot to talk about when they got home. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
So, five years later, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
it's time to find out if the family are living at home or away. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
It's April 2017, and the Stirks are living in... | 0:32:33 | 0:32:37 | |
Cleckheaton in the UK! | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
When the trial week was over, the divided family spent a little | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
more time down under before returning home. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
So, after the trial week, we decided to stay on another week. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
-We hired a car... -And we travelled round the Bay of Islands, went | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
-camping, saw loads of sites. -We stayed there for five nights. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
There was a river, as well, running by, wasn't there? | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
-Beautiful, yeah, really... -That was really lovely. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
Looking off the top of the house and being able to, like, see the sea | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
and the nice view. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:05 | |
Which was lovely, but I think my mum knew... | 0:33:05 | 0:33:09 | |
I think she knew whilst we were | 0:33:09 | 0:33:10 | |
there that it was never going to happen. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
Viv's dream was partly scuppered by the harsh financial realities of | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
living in New Zealand. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
The cost of living over there was quite high, and our budget just... | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
Supermarket shopping was expensive, though. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
-It was. -We did go to a few, and they were pricey. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
Our budget didn't stretch that far, so, you know, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
before you've even started, you can't afford, can you? | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
My gut instinct, even quite early on in that week, was, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
"This isn't going to work." | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
-Especially when we saw that first house! -HE LAUGHS | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
And I did cry at that first house, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
cos I knew that it didn't look good. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
The financial restraints would have been like going back to being 25 | 0:33:49 | 0:33:54 | |
again. And that, I didn't fancy that. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
But the final votes were not all founded on affordability alone. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
There were obviously good points about being in New Zealand as well, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:07 | |
but it just kind of... | 0:34:07 | 0:34:09 | |
A bit scary when it becomes a bit more of a reality, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
which, I guess, for me, | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
that was what my vote was based on, a little bit. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
I voted New Zealand with my, er, heart, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:22 | |
but probably still, deep down... | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
..was more likely to stay at home. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
You know, like, the people I know, I've known them for... | 0:34:31 | 0:34:33 | |
..since I was about five years old, | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
so I wouldn't want to be put into a situation where I don't know anyone. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
It...I think I'd have struggled with it a bit. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
Everybody gave it their best shot, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
and they all had to have their own opinion as well. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
I couldn't sway their decisions one way or another. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
On the way back, me and my mum sat together on the flight and we had a | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
good old laugh, like we always do. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
And I just... I think she knew, | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
but she's never held it against me for not wanting to go. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
Daniella's boyfriend Danny was a huge consideration for her. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
But for Viv, this was just one piece of the puzzle. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
I don't want people thinking that we didn't go because of Daniella. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
Because she did say to me that people are going to think it was | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
all her fault that we didn't go, and that is just not true. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
That is not true. People don't have to blame Daniella. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
If we'd have wanted it enough, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:25 | |
then there could have been a trial period of going and leaving Daniella | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
-here. -But I... -We did talk about that, but... | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
I could not have done that. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
For me, there was no trial period. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
We're all together as a family, and I did stipulate that. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:39 | |
Family is everything to Viv, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
and while she was reconciled with the fact that her New Zealand dream | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
was over, it took its toll when they returned. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
She doesn't really like talking about it, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
to the point where we just don't talk about it. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
The first rule about New Zealand is not to talk about New Zealand. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
I think, erm... | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
it was the only chance I was going to get to see whether it would work | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
for our family, because the children were getting older, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
and more complications. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
If we didn't do it then, we never would do it. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
It probably took me a good month, I'd say, to shake that feel of, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
feeling of, erm... | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
It wasn't depression - that's too strong a word - but I just felt | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
deflated, because I knew that it was all over. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
With a heavy heart, Viv gradually immersed herself back into UK life, | 0:36:32 | 0:36:37 | |
which came as a huge relief to Darren's family. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
My father said that he would have been bereft in that interview, | 0:36:41 | 0:36:45 | |
if we'd have gone. So, yeah, it would have upset them a lot more | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
than you appreciate. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
We're really close to our grandparents, uncles, aunties. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
We don't see them as often as what we probably should, but everyone... | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
We're all so busy, we all work full-time hours, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
but you know that they're always on the end of a phone if you want a | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
chat or you want to call round for a coffee, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
you know that they're always on the end of a phone and you can just | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
-nip round. You don't have to plan your flights! -SHE LAUGHS | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
And, over time, the family settled and began to thrive. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
Darren's mum was there to see them. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
They all seem happy and... | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
..they do a lot as a family. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
They all join in with activities together, | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
go out together, and, you know, they still go on holiday together. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
Danielle has moved out now, so we don't see as much of her, but | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
obviously we do still see her as much as we possibly can. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
Yeah, we're still very close as a family. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
And, like I said, we always will be! | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
For me, family is... | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
It really is a strong part of my life, and it's the best job I've | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
ever had, being a mum. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
Viv was born to be a mother, there's no doubt about that. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
I absolutely love the three children I've got, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
and if I could go through it all again, I would do it. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
-So... -I wouldn't. No, I'm only joking. -No, it's... | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
Yeah, it really is important, and if it wasn't important, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
then I wouldn't have cared about what my children thought. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
I'd have been selfish, but I'm not selfish, so... | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
I'm just glad we're all together, still as a unit. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
As well as Darren's telecom job, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
this unit now includes a fully qualified midwife... | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
I love being a midwife, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
working with women in... | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
Sometimes in vulnerable positions. It's heart-warming, knowing that | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
you're with them during a time in their life that... Not a lot of | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
people get to experience that, | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
and I feel privileged to say that I'm a midwife. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
An apprentice engineer-cum-drummer... | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
I started playing the drums about three years ago. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
But are you wanting to make music your career? | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
I think it's a possibility, me making a career out of music. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
-Hopefully. -..a personal trainer... | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
I've nearly qualified for my personal training, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
so that's what I want to do, really, with my future. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:10 | |
It's just a case of building that up and building my own business, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:15 | |
-really. -..and a contemporary romance novelist. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
Yes, Viv is now a writer! | 0:39:18 | 0:39:22 | |
Though how she does it with drums in the background is anybody's guess! | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
At the time, when I thought about the idea of writing a novel, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:31 | |
the children were too young for me to put enough time into it, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
so I put it on the back burner for a while, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
and as the children have got older, I'd been thinking about writing, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
and a character's name popped into my head, so that was it - | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
I just put my iron away, I wrote down that character's name, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
and that was the first steps to me writing my first novel. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
So, it's contemporary romance, so it's all about everyday people. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
I try and keep it as lifelike as I possibly can. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:01 | |
The energy Viv had put into her New Zealand dream is now clearly evident | 0:40:01 | 0:40:04 | |
in her writing. Not only is she prolific, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:08 | |
but she self-publishes online and has customers all over the world. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
I wrote the seventh novel, and I actually self-published that one, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:18 | |
that was the first one that I ever did. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
I've now got 14. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
I'm an unknown author, nobody at all knows me, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
but I'm doing really well in America - a lot of Americans buy my | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
work. I've sold in Canada, Brazil, even France and India. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:34 | |
And even Darren has a role to play in Viv's writing. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:38 | |
Well, Viv sits doing her writing, and I walk the dogs and make the | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
-tea, so... -LAUGHTER | 0:40:41 | 0:40:44 | |
Makes it easy for me when Darren's off, because he does walk the dogs, | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
so I've got that extra hour that I would have been walking the dogs to | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
do a bit more writing or housework. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
I get my jobs done first and then my writing comes after that. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
Life for the Stirks is on the up and up, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
and with Daniella and Danny still going strong after nine years | 0:40:57 | 0:41:01 | |
together, the future looks positive. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
We're currently saving up to buy a house. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
Hopefully have children shortly. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
We're not in any rush to get married, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
because we want to do the other things before, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
and I'll just say we're as good as married. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
I'd love to be a grandparent, but again, there's no pressure. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
You know, it is another chapter in our book, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
but there's... You can't put any pressure on them, can you? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
And as for the New Zealand dream, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
is anyone in the family still staring at far-distant shores? | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
I don't have any regrets about staying here. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
It's one of them things, you never knew what opportunities you're going | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
to get, and you never know where your life's going to be, so I can't | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
say, "No, I wouldn't think about it," | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
but I can't say I would, at the same time. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
You just...just live each day, really, and just see what happens. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:54 | |
I don't think that I will ever emigrate. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
Me and Danny have spoke about when we're much older, possibly, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
more retirement sort of age, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
we'd maybe like to buy a small house or a villa in Spain or something, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
France, somewhere like that, but when we are much older. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
But what about Viv's dream? | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
I think she was disappointed at the beginning, but she's got her writing | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
now, and she seems to have got into...deeply into that. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
So I think she realised that it | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
wasn't logical or sensible. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
I do like my life. I've got a decent job, I've got my passion for | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
writing, I've got three children | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
that are doing really well in their lives. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
You know, I've got Darren, who's very supportive. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
I've got a lovely home, | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
lovely garden that we can all go out when it's lovely. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
I can't fault the life that I've got. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
If I say I don't regret not going, erm... | 0:42:45 | 0:42:49 | |
I think regret's too strong a word, really. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
I'm sorry that it didn't work out for us as a family, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
but I don't regret not going, because everybody's still together, | 0:42:56 | 0:43:00 | |
and we're all happy in our own lives. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
Despite the original crushing blow to Viv's dream of living a life | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
down under, she and her family have | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
created a small piece of paradise there in | 0:43:15 | 0:43:18 | |
the West Yorkshire town of Cleckheaton. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
We wish the Stirks the very best for the future. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
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