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For five years, Vivian Stirk dreamt about moving down under...

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When you see the lifestyle that you can have out there,

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why can't we have the same?

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..but the future she wanted

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-presented the toughest choice of her life.

-I can't leave her!

-SHE SOBS

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And after a week dealing with high prices...

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It's not going to happen, is it?

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..and high emotions, the Stirks had to decide if New Zealand was a dream

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they could afford and share.

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There's always going to be somebody in this triangle that is going

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-to be upset.

-But where will we find the Stirk family living now -

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in the UK or New Zealand?

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FUNKY MUSIC PLAYS

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Every year, thousands of us move to New Zealand for a new start.

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The more relaxed pace of life, beautiful scenery and population of

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only 4.6 million are a powerful draw.

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However, the reality of taking on such a huge challenge doesn't work

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out for everyone, and many return home, missing their old lives.

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The Stirk family wanted to find out if emigration could offer them a

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better future.

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They had one week to experience life in New Zealand before they faced a

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huge decision -

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whether to stay in the UK or to make the move down under for good.

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Their journey took them across three continents and 12 time zones,

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spending an eye-watering 24 hours in the air.

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It's the first time any of the Stirks have set foot in

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New Zealand, and the marathon

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journey left them with mixed feelings.

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-We've had about two hours' sleep, so we're a bit tired.

-If that!

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A bit strange to start with, but I'm sure we'll

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-all settle down soon.

-I'm really excited.

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A little bit nervous as well,

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but looking forward to seeing the houses and the area itself.

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Ahead was a week that would challenge them all,

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half a world away from their home in Yorkshire.

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In 2012, the Stirks lived in the town of Cleckheaton.

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They were Viv, a school administrator, Darren,

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a telecommunications engineer, and their three children.

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Daniella was a student midwife, Emma was 16 years old, and Ben was 12.

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The family were born and bred Yorkshire folk and the couple had

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lived in Cleckheaton all their married life.

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-We are happy here, aren't we?

-Yeah.

-It's OK.

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I think we've got everything we need round here.

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So we're going to move to the other side of the world instead?

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-Possibly!

-LAUGHTER

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-Yeah.

-Viv's reasons for emigrating started out as a simple desire for

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-better weather.

-I think the dream materialised

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originally because I got very, very fed up of our English climate.

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We do get some nice warm weather in our country,

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but it's just not consistent.

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The Stirks were an active, outdoor family, so the Kiwi lifestyle Viv

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dreamed of seemed perfect.

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The lifestyle that you can have out there, you just think,

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"Well, why can't we have the same?"

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Not that I'm not happy being here, but you just think,

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"Well, could we possibly have that?"

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While Viv's hopes grew over the years,

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Darren took longer to come round to the idea of emigrating.

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As the main breadwinner, he knew how big the risk was.

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From my point of view, giving up the best job I've ever had is something

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that I really need to be sure of.

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I don't want to just walk away from that and find I made the biggest

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mistake I could ever make.

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Despite the risks, they had hopes New Zealand would give their

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children a better life and a better tomorrow.

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It's all right encouraging your children to do well at school,

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go to university, but if there aren't the jobs there, then

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where's the future?

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And I'm hoping that I'm not wrong in saying that

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they might have a better chance of that over in New Zealand.

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Both Emma and Ben were happy to give New Zealand a try.

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I am excited about it all, but I'm really scared as well. Cos, like,

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if I don't like it but everyone else does, and how much it means to my

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-mum as well.

-If it's good, then, you know, I might want to go,

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but if it's not...

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-..stay here.

-But for the eldest sister, Daniella,

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it was a far tougher decision to face.

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Daniella's got a boyfriend of 3.5 years.

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-That's not going to be easy to deal with, for her or for you.

-No.

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That is a massive concern now.

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Daniella wanted to train as a midwife, and saw her career and

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future in the UK.

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I'm hopefully off to uni in October, so that's my career.

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To move and start totally again, it's just...

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It's like you're tied down here, really.

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She had been with Danny since she was 16.

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I do see myself being with Daniella in years to come and, er...

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I don't think we would still be together after this amount of time

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if I didn't at least think that.

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I think people always frown upon us saying that sort of thing

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-because we're so young.

-Both Daniella and Viv had a difficult

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choice, and Viv knew just how much was at stake.

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The bottom line is I am asking

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her to finish things with Danny if

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it meant that we could all be together.

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But there's never going to be a happy ending, is there?

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There's always going to be somebody in this triangle that is going to be

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-upset.

-Breaking family ties was another concern.

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Viv's parents had passed away,

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but the children were very close to Darren's mum and dad.

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We are taking their grandchildren away from them,

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but I also think that, deep down,

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they will understand the reasons for doing it,

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that we want to try and see whether there is a better future for us.

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But the prospect of the Stirks not

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being together put this future at risk.

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If Daniella can't go, we'll just have to give it up.

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-I can't leave her!

-SHE SOBS

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You all right?

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I just can't leave her.

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I want us all to go, because I can't leave one of my children,

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no matter how old she is.

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If it's what she really wanted to do, then she should do it,

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so...

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But she won't if I won't go.

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At this moment in time, it's all of us or nothing, it really is.

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For their trial week,

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the Stirks visited Auckland on New Zealand's North Island.

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Home for the week was this three-bedroom apartment in the

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Mission Bay area, complete with its own shared sports facilities.

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Oh, this is absolutely awesome.

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It's amazing. It's just a world away from anything we've ever really

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-experienced.

-Yeah, it is, yeah.

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Oh, we'd never get anything like this round, erm,

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-in Cleckheaton.

-I think that's a definite yes,

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but thoughts do turn to the week ahead and the huge decision facing

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the Stirks.

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My hopes for this week are to get more of an answer as to

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whether we could make this work.

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We've still got to be realistic, but, yeah, it's looking good.

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I'm feeling nervous and excited.

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-Yeah.

-So am I.

-Cos it's something new.

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I'm looking forward to all the different experiences that I've got

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-to come.

-So I'm hoping at the end of this week we can say,

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one way or another, "Yeah, we could definitely live here."

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Back in 2012,

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the Stirks shared this three-bedroom family home in Cleckheaton.

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They believed it was worth £140,000,

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and with a total budget of £200,000,

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they were being realistic over what they were looking for.

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The house doesn't need to be any bigger.

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Maybe an extra bathroom.

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It's a struggle having three females in the house and one bathroom.

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To find out what kind of house they could actually have in New Zealand,

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we showed them three properties -

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two on budget and a dream home to aspire to.

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First stop was Gulf Harbour,

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a peaceful suburb just an hour's drive from Auckland city centre.

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This semi-detached property had great sea views,

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but what did the Stirks think of it?

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Don't like it. It's not much of an area for sitting out as a family.

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It doesn't compare to the space that we have at home.

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That wasn't a good start.

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But did the indoors lift the mood?

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Kitchen straight into a living room.

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-We'd be giving up a lot of room.

-If you're making a Sunday roast,

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-then you'd have a smell all in this room.

-Yeah.

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It looked like open-plan was not to the family's taste, and the decking

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-area...

-It doesn't blow me away.

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-No, it doesn't at all.

-Definitely not.

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-It almost feels like you're living in a caravan.

-Yeah.

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Whilst the three bedrooms were spacious,

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convincing Daniella to emigrate was made much harder by having to share

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a bedroom as she currently did.

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-It's a lot smaller than the one at home.

-Yeah.

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One option was to convert the garage.

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-I think you'd spoil the house if you turned this into a bedroom.

-Yeah.

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It looked as if the house was simply too small for the Stirks'

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needs, but with their £200,000 budget, was it affordable?

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£190,000.

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I'm a little bit stunned, actually, to how much that is.

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In spite of it being just within reach, the price tag was a real

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shock, especially for Viv.

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-It's not going to happen, is it?

-It's not looking like it is, no.

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-It's not.

-Not from what I've seen so far.

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Seeing the reality of living in New Zealand's most expensive city cast a

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dark cloud over the day.

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But did the next house help to raise everyone's spirits?

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It was a three-bedroom detached property in the Swanson area of west

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-Auckland.

-What do you think, initially?

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-It looks nice, actually. Yeah, it does, it looks nice.

-Yeah.

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That was much more encouraging, and the outdoor space ticked Darren's

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wish list for a large garden.

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-Wow, that's amazing!

-Oh!

-Yeah, I like...

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The surroundings are excellent.

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I like this. There's plenty of room there for sitting out on.

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The inside didn't disappoint either.

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-Nice size.

-Yeah.

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Nice size. See what we've got in here.

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Bedroom.

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-Nice-size bedroom, isn't it?

-Yeah, it's fine.

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Another bedroom.

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This bedroom is OK for Ben, but that other bedroom's not...

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-Big enough for the girls?

-..not very big.

-Right.

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-So they could be struggling with the space.

-Yeah.

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Despite the good start,

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the lack of a fourth bedroom was an all-too-familiar problem.

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-So, what we've got...

-We would have

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to do the same thing that we've done at home and put...

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-Yeah, two beds in.

-..Emma and Daniella in here...

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-They'd have to share one.

-..then we'd have to

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-go in there...

-Yeah.

-..with the double bed.

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And the children didn't need to go too far to see what was missing.

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But if the price tag was right,

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were the Stirks willing to squeeze in?

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Oh...

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That's a shock. 192,000?

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Yeah. I think the prices are

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definitely going up because of the area.

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I personally think that you are getting better value for money with

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our house then you are with this.

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But I thought this was definitely doable.

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The property's price tag notwithstanding,

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this was a definite improvement for the family.

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Their final stop was further away from the city centre in leafy

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West Auckland.

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-I like this. Idyllic.

-That looks absolutely gorgeous.

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On paper, this house had everything the Stirks were looking for,

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with four bedrooms, two bathrooms and plenty of living space,

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even for a family of five.

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-Oh, goodness me!

-Open-plan lounge again, kitchen.

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-But just look at that.

-Even the views were bigger.

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-It is perfection.

-Oh, that is huge!

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-You can't hear the M62 from here, can you?

-No.

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-That was Darren sold, and Viv?

-I think this is probably the

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nicest house I have ever, ever seen in my life.

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-Really?

-That I've ever been in.

-If I could afford this, I would be

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-signing on the dotted line right now.

-Right.

-Seriously.

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It feels good, doesn't it? It does, it feels right.

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The Stirks had seemed to have

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found exactly what they were looking for.

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There was enough bedrooms for everyone, and two bathrooms,

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putting an end to the morning rush hour. And with a huge garden

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there was something for the whole family to enjoy.

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-It's just everything we've wanted in a house..

-It is.

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..when we've talked about emigrating.

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It's like it's been made to our specifications, don't you think?

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-And put in the right place.

-Put in the right place.

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Yeah. It's just perfect in every way.

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-Can't fault it at all.

-I don't want to see the price, do you?

-No.

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This house seemed to have rekindled Viv's hopes,

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but after seeing the hard facts of Auckland's property prices,

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was the dream house just that?

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Ready? I don't really want to look.

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Emma?

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£319,000.

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I'm not shocked and I'm not upset.

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I'm really glad that we have had the chance to look at this house.

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If this is £319,000, there could be something within our budget,

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-couldn't there?

-We're going to have to get a mortgage, but then...

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-Yeah.

-It was Emma's turn to be disappointed,

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but Viv had taken the positives from this house and it gave Darren an

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-idea.

-If all three of us were working full-time, then...

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-We could just about pay the mortgage.

-Am I living here as well?

-LAUGHTER

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-I could never leave.

-But it's nice to dream.

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It's nice to dream, yeah.

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It was quite a day for the Stirks.

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The first property was just about affordable,

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but it didn't have the space they wanted, inside or out.

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The second property was an improvement,

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but still missing that all-important fourth bedroom.

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And the final house offered everything they wanted,

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but at a very high price.

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So after a bumpy landing in New Zealand,

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did the Stirks believe that there could be a home for them down under?

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Based on the properties we've seen today, our vote goes to...

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-UK.

-The UK.

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-Unanimous.

-Yep.

-Why am I not surprised?

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-I'm not surprised.

-If you're going to move all this way,

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-you want to be blown away by your house.

-You do.

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-Or at least like it a little bit.

-Yeah.

-LAUGHTER

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House prices in Auckland were a stony wake-up call for Viv's hopes

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of emigrating. If her dream was to become a reality,

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it was vital for Darren to find good work opportunities.

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Back in the UK, Darren was a telecoms engineer,

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earning around £25,000 a year.

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He knew the risks of leaving a secure job all too well.

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To give this up, I would have to be sure that what I'm walking into is

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either the same or better.

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With finances already tight, finding the right job was vital,

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so we sent Darren to a large telecoms company in Auckland,

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where general manager Ross Lockwood was on hand to meet him.

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-Come on through and we'll have a chat.

-Thank you.

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A good result here promised a big lift for Viv, but with so much at

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stake, it was just one piece of the puzzle.

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If the job news is good news, we've got a lot of talking to do,

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because we've still got other things to think about.

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It's definitely a step in the right direction,

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but there's not just myself and Darren to consider about this.

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We've got three children who also need to be a part of it,

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so we'll just have to see.

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How similar do you think the role of my job would be to the UK?

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I think what you do, we have people that do exactly the same thing here,

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remembering, of course, that, originally, a long time ago,

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the whole network here and all the telephone exchanges

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were all modelled on the British Telecom system.

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Whilst Darren talked shop,

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Viv and Daniella visited the Auckland University of Technology.

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Daniella wanted to become a midwife, and if training in Auckland was an

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attractive option,

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Viv's hopes of keeping the family together would get a real boost.

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Dr Judith McColl was a course lecturer, and Daniella was keen to

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see if studying there was right for her.

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How competitive is it to be given a place?

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Probably a rule of thumb is we take about 100 to 110 first-year

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students, and probably for every one

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of those places we have four applicants for

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-every one of those places.

-You'll recognise the qualifications, then,

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from the UK, that Daniella possesses?

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Yeah, what would get you entrance to university there,

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-entrance to university here.

-Yeah.

-Yeah.

-Whilst the process of becoming

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a midwife was similar to home,

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-did Darren get equally good news on the job front?

-It's subject to a

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whole lot of things that we'll run through in a minute.

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I'd be prepared to consider you for a position here now.

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We don't have a huge amount of business in Auckland at the moment,

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but we certainly have work and vacancies, you know,

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scattered throughout the country.

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That also sounded promising, but as the family breadwinner,

0:18:110:18:15

what were his salary prospects?

0:18:150:18:17

What would I be expected to earn with my skills?

0:18:170:18:21

I've looked at the people that work in my organisation that have the

0:18:210:18:24

same skills as you, and the minimum wage is £22,000 minimum,

0:18:240:18:29

and the maximum person gets paid about £30,000 a year.

0:18:290:18:33

-Thank you.

-It looked like Darren could at least match his UK salary,

0:18:330:18:37

but emigrating without a pay rise might not work if Daniella's

0:18:370:18:40

university fees increased.

0:18:400:18:44

It's about 7,000 a year for what we call domestic students.

0:18:440:18:50

For international students, it's of course a lot more expensive -

0:18:500:18:53

over 20,000 a year.

0:18:530:18:56

Without a resident visa for Daniella, the course fees were much,

0:18:560:19:00

much more. However, she did keep an open mind.

0:19:000:19:04

It does sound very promising to come here and reassuring to have that

0:19:040:19:08

option, but to already have the place in England,

0:19:080:19:13

it puts another obstacle in my way.

0:19:130:19:16

And after getting hands-on with Kiwi telecoms,

0:19:160:19:18

Darren also had a lot to consider.

0:19:180:19:21

So had he seen enough that day to vote for New Zealand?

0:19:210:19:25

Based on my experience today at work, my vote goes to...

0:19:250:19:29

New Zealand.

0:19:320:19:34

I was a little bit apprehensive about what I would find, but it's...

0:19:370:19:39

I'm looking at virtually the same thing as what I'm used to.

0:19:390:19:43

Darren's vote for Auckland was a huge boost for Viv,

0:19:460:19:49

but for a sport-loving family like the Stirks,

0:19:490:19:52

it's the lifestyle that could be key to whether they move or not.

0:19:520:19:55

At home, life for the Stirks was all about getting up,

0:19:580:20:02

getting out and getting active.

0:20:020:20:06

So we sent the family off to see what Auckland's great outdoors could

0:20:060:20:09

offer them.

0:20:090:20:11

As long as Dad could get into his life jacket! LAUGHTER

0:20:110:20:15

And Ben looked happy, even if Emma was like a fish out of water.

0:20:180:20:22

EMMA SCREAMS

0:20:220:20:24

Put your legs out. Are you ready?

0:20:240:20:26

I'm going to fall in!

0:20:260:20:29

But for Viv, this was what she came here to find.

0:20:290:20:32

I've noticed a difference in the children as the week's gone on.

0:20:320:20:36

They've all seemed like they're starting to really

0:20:360:20:39

get used to being here.

0:20:390:20:41

-I mean, I'm already getting used to it.

-Are you?

-Yeah.

-It's nice.

0:20:410:20:45

-It's going to be a shock when we go home.

-Cleckheaton.

-Cleckheaton.

0:20:450:20:48

But there was no reason to get unduly concerned yet,

0:20:500:20:53

as the day had only begun.

0:20:530:20:55

The family all had their favourite sports, and Emma's was gymnastics.

0:20:560:21:01

Once back on dry land,

0:21:010:21:03

she went with Daniella to see what facilities Auckland had to offer.

0:21:030:21:06

Finding a connection to Kiwi life was an important element for the

0:21:090:21:12

Stirks, one that might have helped cushion the blow of emigrating,

0:21:120:21:16

making life easier to bear.

0:21:160:21:19

Now, seeing the gymnastics,

0:21:190:21:21

I feel like there's a lot more out here for me.

0:21:210:21:23

Like, before I didn't really feel like I'd connected with anything,

0:21:230:21:26

cos I hadn't really done much,

0:21:260:21:28

apart from going and seeing the houses and that, but now I'm feeling

0:21:280:21:31

a bit more confident and excited about it all.

0:21:310:21:34

But if we moved over here...

0:21:340:21:37

We couldn't really afford, and it all goes wrong,

0:21:380:21:41

when our life at home is quite comfortable at the moment, so...

0:21:410:21:44

It's a lot to put on the line.

0:21:440:21:46

The girls knew just how much was at stake if they were to emigrate,

0:21:490:21:53

but did the benefits make the risks worthwhile?

0:21:530:21:56

The icing on the cake for a family who love rugby league most of all

0:21:570:22:01

was a chance to see New Zealand take on Australia.

0:22:010:22:04

ENERGETIC DANCE MUSIC PLAYS

0:22:040:22:08

CHEERING

0:22:080:22:11

So, having sampled the lifestyle, did they vote home or away?

0:22:110:22:15

Based on the lifestyle of New Zealand compared to the UK,

0:22:150:22:18

our vote goes to...

0:22:180:22:20

-New Zealand!

-New Zealand.

-New Zealand.

0:22:260:22:30

Everyone's voted New Zealand.

0:22:300:22:32

It's been a really good game of rugby,

0:22:320:22:33

and with the added bonus of being able to be nice and warm.

0:22:330:22:37

It's nice not to wear five jumpers, isn't it?

0:22:370:22:40

A unanimous vote for New Zealand was one step closer to Viv's dream,

0:22:430:22:48

but a lifestyle has to be paid for.

0:22:480:22:51

Getting the right price for their UK home in Cleckheaton was vital if

0:22:510:22:55

emigrating was to be affordable.

0:22:550:22:58

The Stirks believed it was worth £140,000,

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but did two local estate agents agree?

0:23:010:23:04

A nice living room.

0:23:040:23:06

You know, a good focal point for the house, really.

0:23:060:23:09

Modern kitchen, very light, very airy, opening up onto the garden,

0:23:090:23:13

which is excellent. It's a nice room, is this.

0:23:130:23:16

Very good-sized garden, but they've landscaped it. It's very nice.

0:23:210:23:25

They obviously spend a lot of time out here.

0:23:250:23:27

Again, it's very well decorated.

0:23:280:23:31

Two sharing - I presume it's a teenagers' bedroom.

0:23:310:23:34

The space isn't massive, but they've got the best use out of it,

0:23:340:23:36

-and I think that's it.

-LAUGHTER

0:23:360:23:39

So what will be the second original bedroom they're using as the master

0:23:390:23:43

bedroom, utilising the space of the room there,

0:23:430:23:46

with the fitted wardrobes.

0:23:460:23:48

Just exactly what you need.

0:23:480:23:50

So what I'd expect from a third bedroom is this.

0:23:520:23:55

I don't think anybody would want any more from a third bedroom.

0:23:550:23:58

It's not a box room, by any means.

0:23:580:24:00

Overall, excellent family house.

0:24:010:24:04

Been extended, so you've got a lot of space downstairs.

0:24:040:24:06

Within half a mile of the M62, which is great for commuters.

0:24:060:24:09

So a good residential family area, yeah.

0:24:090:24:11

My valuation today as an asking price would be 125,000,

0:24:110:24:16

to probably achieve around about 120.

0:24:160:24:18

In my opinion, in the current market, this house is worth 125,000.

0:24:210:24:24

For a quick sale, you'd probably be looking at about 115.

0:24:240:24:28

-Huh...

-That's even... That's a long way under what I...

0:24:310:24:34

-Less.

-A lot less.

-VIV SIGHS

0:24:340:24:37

-Not good, is it?

-No.

0:24:370:24:40

With the work that's gone into the house, and the extension,

0:24:400:24:42

-I'm actually quite shocked.

-Mmm. Me too.

0:24:420:24:45

It's amazing how your feelings can just dumb down so much, isn't it?

0:24:480:24:52

-Mmm.

-You want to move to New Zealand to better your life,

0:24:520:24:56

but the way things are going, you'd be making it harder.

0:24:560:24:58

The house evaluations were far less than Viv and Darren had hoped for,

0:25:000:25:04

and once again, finances became key for this emigration dream.

0:25:040:25:09

So we provided a comparison of the family's costs of living at home and

0:25:090:25:13

abroad. First was the weekly shop.

0:25:130:25:16

Milk's quite expensive, isn't it?

0:25:160:25:18

-Yeah, milk's expensive, yeah.

-We do go through a lot of milk.

0:25:180:25:20

-A joint of meat's about the same.

-Yeah.

0:25:200:25:23

So in the UK...

0:25:230:25:25

101 a week.

0:25:270:25:29

125.

0:25:310:25:32

That wasn't the best start,

0:25:340:25:36

but it was the family's mortgage payments that were crucial.

0:25:360:25:40

They based them on a £200,000 mortgage.

0:25:400:25:43

-And the repayments would be £804...

-£804 a month.

-..a month, yeah.

0:25:430:25:49

Right, but ours is 210.

0:25:490:25:52

Yeah, that's what we're paying now, what our house is costing us now.

0:25:520:25:55

-Yeah.

-Their monthly mortgage had just gone through the roof,

0:25:550:25:59

and that was without the cost of relocating.

0:25:590:26:02

Looking at these figures now, then,

0:26:020:26:04

we would actually be about £634 worse off, living in New Zealand,

0:26:040:26:09

so... Do you think this move's affordable?

0:26:090:26:14

-No.

-Definitely not?

-No.

0:26:140:26:16

Oh, dear.

0:26:180:26:20

With the figures presenting a serious risk to the family's

0:26:200:26:23

finances, Viv's dream was once again looking unreachable.

0:26:230:26:27

So, based on the numbers, how did they vote?

0:26:270:26:30

-UK.

-The UK.

0:26:330:26:35

I'd love to live here, there's no doubt about that.

0:26:390:26:42

It's a beautiful place, and you can see that the weather and the

0:26:420:26:45

-lifestyle is fantastic.

-Yeah.

0:26:450:26:47

But you've got to be able to afford it as well.

0:26:470:26:49

Yeah, just not rich enough, are we?

0:26:490:26:51

No, we're not rich enough.

0:26:510:26:52

-Poor Northerners.

-Poor Northerners.

0:26:530:26:57

Never mind.

0:26:570:26:59

The messages from friends and family were always going to be difficult,

0:27:060:27:10

but all the Stirks wanted to watch,

0:27:100:27:12

no matter how emotional it might have been.

0:27:120:27:15

Well, hi, everybody. I hope you're having a great time out there.

0:27:150:27:18

-Hi.

-Hiya from Mum's house.

0:27:180:27:21

-Hiya, Daniella...

-Hope you're having a great time.

-..Emma, Ben,

0:27:210:27:24

Darren, Viv. Out of the three of them, I would say Daniella will be

0:27:240:27:27

the one that could cause a problem. She'll want to please her mum and

0:27:270:27:30

dad, but she'll also want to please her boyfriend

0:27:300:27:33

who she's been going out with for three years, which is a long time.

0:27:330:27:36

I mean, I was married at 19, so, you know,

0:27:360:27:39

which is the same age as what Daniella is now.

0:27:390:27:41

I love my family beyond measure.

0:27:430:27:46

If they do go, I would miss them so much.

0:27:470:27:51

Well, I know I'm not going to be happy, but

0:27:510:27:54

I've just got to accept it and hope that they have a nice life

0:27:540:27:57

and everything turns out nice, you know, and well for them.

0:27:570:28:00

Their going would leave a void that would be impossible to fill.

0:28:010:28:06

I think we'd be bereft, wouldn't we?

0:28:070:28:11

SHE WEEPS

0:28:110:28:13

It's a prospect that I don't really want to contemplate.

0:28:150:28:17

Hello, everyone. Hope you're all having a good time.

0:28:210:28:25

I hope you're enjoying it, and I'm missing you a lot, Daniella.

0:28:250:28:30

I don't want you to go, really, but...

0:28:310:28:34

..that's completely up to you. Obviously I can't stop you, but

0:28:350:28:39

I'd really, really miss you if you went,

0:28:390:28:43

and I'd like you to stay, but...

0:28:430:28:45

..decision's yours. Don't come to any hasty decisions.

0:28:460:28:49

And, erm, just enjoy it while you're out there.

0:28:500:28:53

Yeah, you can understand where they're coming from.

0:28:580:29:00

-And their views and opinions are... They're natural, aren't they?

-Yeah.

0:29:010:29:04

You don't want to sound selfish by saying you've got to live your

0:29:040:29:07

-life for yourself. But you have, haven't you?

-Mmm.

0:29:070:29:12

-Do you think any of them will lend us any money?

-LAUGHTER

0:29:120:29:16

I really don't know!

0:29:160:29:18

Seeing the people they love was a reminder for the Stirks that the

0:29:210:29:25

real cost of emigrating is not counted in dollars.

0:29:250:29:29

But having fallen for the lifestyle, and their week all but over,

0:29:290:29:33

was their final vote made with their hearts or with their heads?

0:29:330:29:37

The week has been absolutely fantastic.

0:29:370:29:40

There's been a couple of emotional times, but generally, for me,

0:29:400:29:45

it's been very fulfilling.

0:29:450:29:47

It's a lovely place.

0:29:470:29:50

It's just a perfect place to live...

0:29:500:29:52

..if you could afford it.

0:29:530:29:55

We've come here ten years too late.

0:29:560:29:58

There's a lot of obstacles that wouldn't have been there ten years

0:29:580:30:01

ago that are there now - financial and personal.

0:30:010:30:05

I did really hope that Daniella would come round

0:30:060:30:09

to our way of thinking.

0:30:090:30:11

I honestly do believe that she's

0:30:110:30:14

shut her feelings off since we've been here,

0:30:140:30:18

purely because Danny's in her life.

0:30:180:30:21

I came with an open mind, but deep, deep down,

0:30:210:30:25

I am more pointed to the UK because of everything that you have got to

0:30:250:30:28

-lose.

-If they were, you know, nine,

0:30:280:30:31

six and two, that would be different,

0:30:310:30:34

but they're teenagers and they've got their own plans now, to a point.

0:30:340:30:38

I know there's no way I could ever leave Danny. Like,

0:30:380:30:41

I'm happy where I am.

0:30:410:30:43

I can't see myself with anybody else.

0:30:430:30:46

So it does change things,

0:30:460:30:49

-obviously.

-SHE LAUGHS

0:30:490:30:52

It was an eye-opening week for the Stirks,

0:30:520:30:54

but did emotional and financial costs end this dream? Or did the

0:30:540:30:58

taste of life down under convince them that the biggest gamble

0:30:580:31:02

of their lives was worth it?

0:31:020:31:05

Based on our week in New Zealand, our vote goes to...

0:31:050:31:08

-New Zealand.

-New Zealand.

-UK.

0:31:190:31:21

-Three to two, we're outvoted.

-Yeah.

0:31:250:31:27

So why did you choose UK, then?

0:31:270:31:30

This is a beautiful country, but I just miss family too much.

0:31:300:31:35

I can see myself living here, cos it is a very nice place,

0:31:350:31:39

but I'm still a bit undecided, and like you said, "Go with your heart,"

0:31:390:31:42

and my heart says UK.

0:31:420:31:45

Why have you chosen New Zealand?

0:31:450:31:47

In my heart, I do feel that if we really wanted to give it a go,

0:31:470:31:50

we could find the perfect property for us.

0:31:500:31:53

And I have enjoyed this experience so much that it's going to be really

0:31:530:31:58

-hard, I think, for me, just to walk away...

-To get back into, er...

0:31:580:32:02

..I really do.

0:32:020:32:04

There are no easy answers for a family divided on whether to

0:32:100:32:14

emigrate or not. But with Viv well and truly won over by what this

0:32:140:32:19

country had to offer, it's clear

0:32:190:32:21

they had a lot to talk about when they got home.

0:32:210:32:25

So, five years later,

0:32:250:32:27

it's time to find out if the family are living at home or away.

0:32:270:32:31

It's April 2017, and the Stirks are living in...

0:32:330:32:37

Cleckheaton in the UK!

0:32:380:32:41

When the trial week was over, the divided family spent a little

0:32:410:32:44

more time down under before returning home.

0:32:440:32:47

So, after the trial week, we decided to stay on another week.

0:32:470:32:50

-We hired a car...

-And we travelled round the Bay of Islands, went

0:32:500:32:53

-camping, saw loads of sites.

-We stayed there for five nights.

0:32:530:32:56

There was a river, as well, running by, wasn't there?

0:32:560:32:58

-Beautiful, yeah, really...

-That was really lovely.

0:32:580:33:00

Looking off the top of the house and being able to, like, see the sea

0:33:000:33:03

and the nice view.

0:33:030:33:05

Which was lovely, but I think my mum knew...

0:33:050:33:09

I think she knew whilst we were

0:33:090:33:10

there that it was never going to happen.

0:33:100:33:13

Viv's dream was partly scuppered by the harsh financial realities of

0:33:130:33:17

living in New Zealand.

0:33:170:33:19

The cost of living over there was quite high, and our budget just...

0:33:190:33:23

Supermarket shopping was expensive, though.

0:33:230:33:25

-It was.

-We did go to a few, and they were pricey.

0:33:250:33:27

Our budget didn't stretch that far, so, you know,

0:33:270:33:31

before you've even started, you can't afford, can you?

0:33:310:33:33

My gut instinct, even quite early on in that week, was,

0:33:330:33:37

"This isn't going to work."

0:33:370:33:39

-Especially when we saw that first house!

-HE LAUGHS

0:33:410:33:44

And I did cry at that first house,

0:33:440:33:46

cos I knew that it didn't look good.

0:33:460:33:49

The financial restraints would have been like going back to being 25

0:33:490:33:54

again. And that, I didn't fancy that.

0:33:540:33:58

But the final votes were not all founded on affordability alone.

0:33:580:34:02

There were obviously good points about being in New Zealand as well,

0:34:020:34:07

but it just kind of...

0:34:070:34:09

A bit scary when it becomes a bit more of a reality,

0:34:090:34:12

which, I guess, for me,

0:34:120:34:13

that was what my vote was based on, a little bit.

0:34:130:34:16

I voted New Zealand with my, er, heart,

0:34:160:34:22

but probably still, deep down...

0:34:220:34:26

..was more likely to stay at home.

0:34:270:34:31

You know, like, the people I know, I've known them for...

0:34:310:34:33

..since I was about five years old,

0:34:340:34:37

so I wouldn't want to be put into a situation where I don't know anyone.

0:34:370:34:41

It...I think I'd have struggled with it a bit.

0:34:410:34:44

Everybody gave it their best shot,

0:34:440:34:46

and they all had to have their own opinion as well.

0:34:460:34:49

I couldn't sway their decisions one way or another.

0:34:490:34:52

On the way back, me and my mum sat together on the flight and we had a

0:34:520:34:55

good old laugh, like we always do.

0:34:550:34:57

And I just... I think she knew,

0:34:570:34:59

but she's never held it against me for not wanting to go.

0:34:590:35:03

Daniella's boyfriend Danny was a huge consideration for her.

0:35:030:35:07

But for Viv, this was just one piece of the puzzle.

0:35:070:35:10

I don't want people thinking that we didn't go because of Daniella.

0:35:100:35:14

Because she did say to me that people are going to think it was

0:35:140:35:17

all her fault that we didn't go, and that is just not true.

0:35:170:35:20

That is not true. People don't have to blame Daniella.

0:35:200:35:23

If we'd have wanted it enough,

0:35:230:35:25

then there could have been a trial period of going and leaving Daniella

0:35:250:35:29

-here.

-But I...

-We did talk about that, but...

0:35:290:35:31

I could not have done that.

0:35:310:35:33

For me, there was no trial period.

0:35:330:35:35

We're all together as a family, and I did stipulate that.

0:35:350:35:39

Family is everything to Viv,

0:35:390:35:42

and while she was reconciled with the fact that her New Zealand dream

0:35:420:35:45

was over, it took its toll when they returned.

0:35:450:35:49

She doesn't really like talking about it,

0:35:490:35:51

to the point where we just don't talk about it.

0:35:510:35:55

The first rule about New Zealand is not to talk about New Zealand.

0:35:550:35:59

I think, erm...

0:35:590:36:01

it was the only chance I was going to get to see whether it would work

0:36:010:36:06

for our family, because the children were getting older,

0:36:060:36:10

and more complications.

0:36:100:36:12

If we didn't do it then, we never would do it.

0:36:120:36:14

It probably took me a good month, I'd say, to shake that feel of,

0:36:160:36:19

feeling of, erm...

0:36:190:36:22

It wasn't depression - that's too strong a word - but I just felt

0:36:240:36:26

deflated, because I knew that it was all over.

0:36:260:36:29

With a heavy heart, Viv gradually immersed herself back into UK life,

0:36:320:36:37

which came as a huge relief to Darren's family.

0:36:370:36:41

My father said that he would have been bereft in that interview,

0:36:410:36:45

if we'd have gone. So, yeah, it would have upset them a lot more

0:36:450:36:49

than you appreciate.

0:36:490:36:51

We're really close to our grandparents, uncles, aunties.

0:36:510:36:54

We don't see them as often as what we probably should, but everyone...

0:36:540:36:58

We're all so busy, we all work full-time hours,

0:36:580:37:01

but you know that they're always on the end of a phone if you want a

0:37:010:37:04

chat or you want to call round for a coffee,

0:37:040:37:06

you know that they're always on the end of a phone and you can just

0:37:060:37:09

-nip round. You don't have to plan your flights!

-SHE LAUGHS

0:37:090:37:12

And, over time, the family settled and began to thrive.

0:37:130:37:17

Darren's mum was there to see them.

0:37:170:37:20

They all seem happy and...

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..they do a lot as a family.

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They all join in with activities together,

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go out together, and, you know, they still go on holiday together.

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Danielle has moved out now, so we don't see as much of her, but

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obviously we do still see her as much as we possibly can.

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Yeah, we're still very close as a family.

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And, like I said, we always will be!

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For me, family is...

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It really is a strong part of my life, and it's the best job I've

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ever had, being a mum.

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Viv was born to be a mother, there's no doubt about that.

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I absolutely love the three children I've got,

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and if I could go through it all again, I would do it.

0:38:010:38:03

-So...

-I wouldn't. No, I'm only joking.

-No, it's...

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Yeah, it really is important, and if it wasn't important,

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then I wouldn't have cared about what my children thought.

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I'd have been selfish, but I'm not selfish, so...

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I'm just glad we're all together, still as a unit.

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As well as Darren's telecom job,

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this unit now includes a fully qualified midwife...

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I love being a midwife,

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working with women in...

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Sometimes in vulnerable positions. It's heart-warming, knowing that

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you're with them during a time in their life that... Not a lot of

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people get to experience that,

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and I feel privileged to say that I'm a midwife.

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An apprentice engineer-cum-drummer...

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I started playing the drums about three years ago.

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But are you wanting to make music your career?

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I think it's a possibility, me making a career out of music.

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-Hopefully.

-..a personal trainer...

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I've nearly qualified for my personal training,

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so that's what I want to do, really, with my future.

0:39:070:39:10

It's just a case of building that up and building my own business,

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-really.

-..and a contemporary romance novelist.

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Yes, Viv is now a writer!

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Though how she does it with drums in the background is anybody's guess!

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At the time, when I thought about the idea of writing a novel,

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the children were too young for me to put enough time into it,

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so I put it on the back burner for a while,

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and as the children have got older, I'd been thinking about writing,

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and a character's name popped into my head, so that was it -

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I just put my iron away, I wrote down that character's name,

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and that was the first steps to me writing my first novel.

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So, it's contemporary romance, so it's all about everyday people.

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I try and keep it as lifelike as I possibly can.

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The energy Viv had put into her New Zealand dream is now clearly evident

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in her writing. Not only is she prolific,

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but she self-publishes online and has customers all over the world.

0:40:080:40:13

I wrote the seventh novel, and I actually self-published that one,

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that was the first one that I ever did.

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I've now got 14.

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I'm an unknown author, nobody at all knows me,

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but I'm doing really well in America - a lot of Americans buy my

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work. I've sold in Canada, Brazil, even France and India.

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And even Darren has a role to play in Viv's writing.

0:40:340:40:38

Well, Viv sits doing her writing, and I walk the dogs and make the

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-tea, so...

-LAUGHTER

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Makes it easy for me when Darren's off, because he does walk the dogs,

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so I've got that extra hour that I would have been walking the dogs to

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do a bit more writing or housework.

0:40:490:40:51

I get my jobs done first and then my writing comes after that.

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Life for the Stirks is on the up and up,

0:40:540:40:57

and with Daniella and Danny still going strong after nine years

0:40:570:41:01

together, the future looks positive.

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We're currently saving up to buy a house.

0:41:030:41:06

Hopefully have children shortly.

0:41:060:41:10

We're not in any rush to get married,

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because we want to do the other things before,

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and I'll just say we're as good as married.

0:41:140:41:17

I'd love to be a grandparent, but again, there's no pressure.

0:41:170:41:20

You know, it is another chapter in our book,

0:41:200:41:24

but there's... You can't put any pressure on them, can you?

0:41:240:41:27

And as for the New Zealand dream,

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is anyone in the family still staring at far-distant shores?

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I don't have any regrets about staying here.

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It's one of them things, you never knew what opportunities you're going

0:41:390:41:42

to get, and you never know where your life's going to be, so I can't

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say, "No, I wouldn't think about it,"

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but I can't say I would, at the same time.

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You just...just live each day, really, and just see what happens.

0:41:500:41:54

I don't think that I will ever emigrate.

0:41:540:41:57

Me and Danny have spoke about when we're much older, possibly,

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more retirement sort of age,

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we'd maybe like to buy a small house or a villa in Spain or something,

0:42:030:42:06

France, somewhere like that, but when we are much older.

0:42:060:42:10

But what about Viv's dream?

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I think she was disappointed at the beginning, but she's got her writing

0:42:120:42:16

now, and she seems to have got into...deeply into that.

0:42:160:42:20

So I think she realised that it

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wasn't logical or sensible.

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I do like my life. I've got a decent job, I've got my passion for

0:42:280:42:31

writing, I've got three children

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that are doing really well in their lives.

0:42:330:42:35

You know, I've got Darren, who's very supportive.

0:42:350:42:37

I've got a lovely home,

0:42:370:42:39

lovely garden that we can all go out when it's lovely.

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I can't fault the life that I've got.

0:42:420:42:45

If I say I don't regret not going, erm...

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I think regret's too strong a word, really.

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I'm sorry that it didn't work out for us as a family,

0:42:530:42:56

but I don't regret not going, because everybody's still together,

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and we're all happy in our own lives.

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Despite the original crushing blow to Viv's dream of living a life

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down under, she and her family have

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created a small piece of paradise there in

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the West Yorkshire town of Cleckheaton.

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