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Convincing your partner to give up a life they love

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for a new start on the other side of the world is never going to be easy.

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And if your dream was based on a distant memory,

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would you risk your whole future on it?

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In 2011, the Afanasiev family spent a week in Sydney

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to see if Australia could offer them a better life.

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Today, we'll find out where they are now.

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Tosh Afanasiev was desperate to return to the country he'd fallen in love with ten years ago.

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I almost felt my business with Australia wasn't finished yet.

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But his dream appeared out of reach.

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It makes me a little bit nervous to think whether we can afford to live here at all.

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And leaving family behind seemed unbearable.

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Ike and Reuben know I would miss them more than I could ever say.

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So, two years on, have the Afanasievs

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made a new life for themselves down under?

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Hopefully, we'll think, yeah, we made a really, really good decision.

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Thanks to its 50,000 kilometres of coastline and sunny climate,

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life in Australia has long been a favourite destination

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for Brits dreaming of a new life abroad.

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But it doesn't work for everyone,

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and around 10,000 return home each year

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with their dreams in ruins.

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In 2011, the Afanasievs spent seven days

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experiencing the reality of living in Australia.

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At the end of it, they faced a life-changing decision -

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whether their future lay in the UK or Australia.

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Two years on, we'll catch up with the family

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to find out what happened next.

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Back in 2011, Louise and Tosh Afanasiev were living

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in a three-bedroom semi just outside Newcastle with their two boys,

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Reuben, who was four then, and Ike, who was two.

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Tosh and Louise had both enjoyed the single life in Australia

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in their early twenties.

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I lived in Melbourne for a couple of years when I was younger - ten years ago.

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I was there in the early '90s when I was 20.

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But life was very different for me then.

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I was single. I worked as a baker, so I worked through the night.

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I had a really great time. I went with a friend who is Australian.

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She was from Sydney.

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What I saw was the potential for a really fantastic lifestyle.

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When I left, I didn't feel,

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"Oh, I could live here and I can't wait to go back."

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I didn't feel that.

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I almost felt, coming away, my business with Australia wasn't finished yet.

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Several years later, they were happily married with a young family,

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a lovely home and stable jobs.

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But for at least one of them,

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the idea of life down under was still very much alive.

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The kids came into our lives and I suddenly wanted to share

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what I feel about that place with them

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and I wanted to show them a different life.

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Tosh knew Louise didn't share his dream

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and would need convincing it was the right move.

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Louise has got very mixed feelings about the move.

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It's not an outright no. If it was, there wouldn't be a discussion.

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It all comes down to whether she wants to give up

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what we've got here in order to achieve a how much better life?

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For Louise, it wouldn't be a straightforward decision.

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They'd be risking everything they'd worked hard to achieve.

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If we move there, we're leaving behind family and friends.

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We're taking Reuben out of a fantastic school

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and a lovely house in a lovely neighbourhood.

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Tosh has got a fantastic job as well.

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It's leaving that behind, I think. That is the big thing.

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And it wouldn't just be a lifestyle they'd be leaving behind.

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A move would also mean saying a heartbreaking goodbye

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to Louise's parents.

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We live ten minutes from my parents who help us a great deal

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with the children and childcare, even if it's just for an hour

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or picking up from school and dropping off.

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It's a big, big part of this decision.

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I feel that it's probably the deciding factor, really,

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when it comes down to it.

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Yeah.

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Basically, leaving them behind would be very, very hard.

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If we decide to go.

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For their trial week down under, the family travel to Sydney.

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They've visited Australia before

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but this was unlike any of their previous trips.

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Landing in the early hours

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brought home just how far they've come.

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The trip over was quite long.

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Considering how far it was, it wasn't bad, was it?

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It was a lot better than I thought it was going to be.

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-We were really good.

-You were.

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It was a short journey to their rental property,

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but a long way from home in Newcastle.

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The Afanasievs stayed in the beach town of Avalon,

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north of central Sydney.

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By the time they reached their base,

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-they were eager to see what Australia had to offer.

-Wow!

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Wow!

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-Oh, wow.

-Look at this!

-This is beautiful.

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This three-bedroom house was right next to the beach

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with views to die for.

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-It's amazing.

-Brilliant.

-Do they have squatters' rights here?

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But Louise was already having doubts

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about whether they could afford a move.

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I've got very mixed emotions about the week ahead

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because you hear so many conflicting things

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about how it's so expensive here now

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and, you know, it's not what it was five years ago.

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It's not so black and white.

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Back in the UK, the Afanasievs lived in a three-bedroom semi

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just outside Newcastle which they bought in 2010.

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But they weren't short of a few ideas

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when it came to their dream home in Australia.

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My ideal house would be very open-plan.

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We'd have a minimum of three bedrooms.

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-Indoor-outdoor area.

-The usual cliches.

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A nice pool.

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Not much, really.

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What we don't want to do is take a step back from where we are now.

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It's got to be as good as or better than what we have already.

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The family had a budget of around £300,000.

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However, at the time, house prices in Sydney

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were averaging nearly £400,000 -

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double the price Tosh and Louise had seen ten years earlier.

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Would they be able to afford their dream home?

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To give them a taste of Sydney's housing market,

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they viewed three different properties

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based around their budget and what they wanted from a home.

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Only after they'd seen each one

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would we reveal to Louise and Tosh just how much they cost.

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The first house was close to their rental property in Avalon, but on the high street.

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Set right amongst the shops and cafes

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and with popular beaches nearby, it could have offered Tosh and Louise

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the cosmopolitan lifestyle they were after.

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The two-bedroom flat would also provide a clue

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as to how expensive Sydney can be.

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A flat generally means one thing - stairs.

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Was it worth the effort?

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Come on, in we go.

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Oh, look, there's a bathroom. It's nice and bright, isn't it?

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-Shall we have a look? It's quite small.

-It is.

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BIRD SQUAWKS

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It's nice. Good-sized balcony.

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-I like the fact that it's got the open top.

-Yeah, I really like that.

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-Downstairs would be quite enclosed.

-You get loads of light.

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I love the view. I really do.

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When we can't afford to eat out, we can watch other people doing it.

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It was time to check out the bedrooms.

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-This is nice.

-Yeah, but, you know, there is the thing that

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it's only got two bedrooms, which is fine for us,

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but we are expecting my parents to come and visit.

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-We would need...

-It wouldn't be a permanent place, really.

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But it would be a landing pad just to get settled.

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It's one of those things. We need to see how much this goes for.

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It might be, this is it for us,

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and if that is the case, that's part of the decision.

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With just two bedrooms and no garden for the children,

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Louise and Tosh saw the flat as a stepping stone to something bigger.

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But was the price within their £300,000 budget?

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It's not what I...

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envisage us living in in Australia.

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I understand what you're saying about it being a landing pad and stuff

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but I don't also want to be moving around all the time.

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Wow! £400,000.

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Hmm. Yes, that's quite...

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That's a lot.

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This flat was well over their £300,000 budget

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and it wasn't even somewhere they would want to buy.

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Already Louise was having grave doubts.

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From the size of this and everything, I know it's a central location,

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but it makes me a bit nervous to think that

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that's what we're starting off on

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and whether we can afford to live here at all.

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The second property was in the neighbourhood of Bilgola -

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a quiet, leafy area, with beaches and parks nearby,

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it could have been just right for a young family.

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And as Tosh quickly spotted,

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the couple would get more house for their money.

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It looks like it's got amazing potential.

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It looks quite big, actually.

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I love the established trees and stuff. That's really good.

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The three-bedroom house needed some work, but that didn't put them off.

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Wow, look at this entrance.

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-This could be amazing.

-This could be really cool.

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I love this whole glass thing.

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Wow.

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Louise and Tosh could see some potential

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and the views got them excited as well.

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-Look at the view out there. That's amazing.

-It's priceless.

-The balcony's huge.

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You can see the boats from up here.

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However, Louise had one big problem.

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Considering there's so much glass and window, I find it quite dark.

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I know what you're saying, but I think, on a really hot day,

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to have all this glass, if you couldn't sit anywhere without the sun

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streaming in, it might be oppressive, so you'd probably be quite grateful.

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It was a good point.

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Unfortunately, the bedrooms didn't help sell this property either.

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It's quite damp as well, I think.

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Yeah. It smells a bit...

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-And that balcony seems to have...

-Eroded.

-..rotted away.

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It would cost a fortune to put it right.

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The house was large and spacious but it needed a lot of work.

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Did that mean it was affordable

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or was the flat all they could get for their budget?

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It was time to uncover the price.

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-Shall we look?

-Go on, then.

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Hmm. £450,000.

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Add on the £100,000 for the renovation, so say £550,000.

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But then, obviously, they might take offers.

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They might, because of the state of it, they might be keen to shift it.

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So you could end up paying £450,000 for it and then it would be...

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-Then it's looking different.

-Yeah.

-Especially when you compare it to £400,000 for the flat.

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-Then it's a different story.

-You get a lot of house.

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Even if they could get £100,000 knocked off the price,

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it was still over their budget of £300,000.

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Were Tosh and Louise being unrealistic

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about what they could afford?

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Would the third property make things clearer?

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Like the first, it was in Avalon,

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but in a quieter, more residential area.

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Architect-designed, with three bedrooms, gardens and a pool,

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was this the dream house Louise is after?

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I like it. Wow! This is nice, isn't it?

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This is kind of what you think about, isn't it?

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-This kind of open-plan thing.

-Loads of light. It's lovely and open.

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-You couldn't get a better location.

-First impression, yeah, very nice.

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Very nice.

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There seemed to be few faults with this house.

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-They're quite small, but then...

-They're not massive...

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but I suppose the emphasis is not on sitting in your room.

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This is good, isn't it?

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Oh, yeah, look at that.

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-That's really good. That's really handy, actually.

-Yeah.

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-So you can have two or one.

-Very good.

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With Louise prepared to overlook the smallish bedrooms,

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all that was left was the back garden.

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Look at that!

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This is more us, it's more family.

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It's got your outside area, both front and back, hasn't it?

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Practically, for what we need now, this ticks all the boxes.

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It's lovely. I love it.

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I'm scared to know how much it's going to be.

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It's probably going to be way out of our reach.

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It's too perfect, isn't it?

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This house had both Louise and Tosh excited

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but they still didn't know the price.

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It has everything they wanted from Australian living

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but was it out of their reach?

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-It was time to find out.

-This is going to be a jump

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from the last one because the last one had a lot of work to be done.

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This is going to be, I reckon, a big jump from that. Let's find out.

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-Mmm!

-For what you get...

-We'll buy it!

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For what you get, I mean, that, really...

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I thought it was going to be a lot more.

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That's... that's...

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That's very reasonable. With the pool and...

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It was a good price, but nearly £200,000 over their budget.

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Were Tosh and Louise letting their excitement

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overshadow the reality of what they could afford?

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The first property was something Tosh and Louise

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would only have considered renting for a short time.

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The second property was too dark and needed too much work.

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The last house was everything they'd hoped for

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but was the most expensive and well above their budget.

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So what was their verdict on property?

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Could they see themselves giving up their house in Newcastle for an Aussie home?

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OK, we've seen our three properties today.

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It's been really interesting and I think it's time to vote.

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ALL: Australia!

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-AUSTRALIAN ACCENT:

-Australia!

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It was a great start for Tosh. He was one step closer

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to persuading Louise that Australia could be for them.

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Everything would ride on the next few days.

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Could Tosh earn enough to make Australia a reality

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or would the move remain a pipe dream?

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Back in the UK, Tosh worked as a computer software developer,

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earning around £40,000 a year.

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We've arranged for him to spend a day with a software design company

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in the centre of Sydney.

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Tosh was well aware the entire move was riding on what he'd find out.

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Finding the right job is key for this move.

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Back home we've got a good life, a lovely house, I've got a good job,

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so we'd have to see quite a big improvement, erm, by moving here.

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Louise worked part-time in a shop

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but planned to be a stay-at-home mum in Australia

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until the children settled.

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She wanted to know if schools down under were as good as those back home.

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With Ike in the care of a childminder,

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she and Reuben went off to check out a local kindergarten, or kindy.

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In you go. In you go. Come on.

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-Hi.

-Hello.

-This is Reuben. I'm Louise. Nice to meet you.

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-Reuben, is it?

-Yeah.

-Hello. You can come in

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and have a little look around with the kids if you like.

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-So how many children do you have?

-We have 29 a day.

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-Are they here all day?

-Yep, from 9.00am until 3.00pm.

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Being able to get Reuben and Ike into a decent school

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would be crucial if the move was to become a reality.

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-What are the fees?

-42 a day.

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If you're coming for the three days, it's per day.

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-And is there a waiting list?

-There sure is.

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It's quite a high demand at the moment.

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That would be my issue.

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If we suddenly arrived, then we'd kind of have to put his name down

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prior to us coming, wouldn't we?

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Just calling and getting their name and saying, "We're going to

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"be there June. Can we come in and see you? Will there be a spot?"

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It seemed getting into a good school

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could be just as hard as in the UK.

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And the prospect of paying fees for schooling until the boys were six

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would put even more pressure on their finances.

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While Louise carried on with her fact-finding,

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Tosh had arrived in the city and met with company director Michael Lam.

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-Hi, Tosh. Nice to meet you. Welcome. Welcome to Sydney.

-Thank you.

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The company developed a wide range of software so it should be a great

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chance for Tosh to find out about the possibility of work in Sydney.

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Could you see someone like me fitting into this company

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and being a part of it?

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Yeah, I think so.

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I mean, your experience in the Australian marketplace would fit,

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whether it's with our company or somewhere else.

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Your experience would be probably relevant

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to some of the big companies like the banks.

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The banks are looking for a lot of...

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staff in the development database

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and they've got fairly large IT projects

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so employability shouldn't be an issue

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-if you were to come down to Australia.

-Brilliant.

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That's good to hear.

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That was promising news. Next up was the most important question.

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So, with my skills and experience,

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is there a sort of band you could give me

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for working in Sydney, how much I could expect to earn?

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I think, looking at your CV,

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I'd say probably...

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80,000 to 90,000 annual salary.

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-Brilliant.

-And depending on the type of project,

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-it could be slightly more with bonuses et cetera.

-Fantastic.

0:18:260:18:30

More good news. At nearly £60,000,

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that was £20,000 more than Tosh was earning in the UK.

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So how did Tosh vote on work in Australia versus his job back home?

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I've met an employer today. I've had a little insight into how they work here in Australia

0:18:420:18:47

in my industry and now it's time to vote.

0:18:470:18:49

Australia!

0:18:510:18:54

It seems to me that I could earn quite well here.

0:18:550:18:58

In terms of actually seeing how far it will take us

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with the cost of living, we've yet to look at that.

0:19:000:19:03

Whether it's going to support us in a way that we would like to live

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and whether that will mean the improvement on our lifestyle in the UK

0:19:070:19:10

that we would need to come over here, we've still got to work out.

0:19:100:19:15

Tosh and Louise met up later and were keen to hear each other's news.

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-Hiya. How did it go?

-Really good.

0:19:190:19:22

-How was kindy?

-The kindy was great. It's lovely. Rueben loved it.

0:19:240:19:28

He was just interacting with everybody.

0:19:280:19:31

Yeah, it was really nice. Really nice.

0:19:310:19:33

-Brilliant. I'm glad.

-How did work go?

-Work was really good.

0:19:330:19:36

He was impressed with the CV. He said I had the right balance of skills.

0:19:360:19:40

I also asked him, in Sydney, what kind of salary I could expect

0:19:400:19:44

and he said that with my skills and experience,

0:19:440:19:47

I'd be looking at between 80,000 and 90,000 a year to start.

0:19:470:19:50

-Brilliant.

-It's what we found when looking around.

0:19:500:19:53

-So that was really encouraging.

-Excellent. Yeah, that is good.

0:19:530:19:57

So we might be able to afford that house after all.

0:19:580:20:00

Maybe!

0:20:000:20:02

Tosh's earning potential was promising

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but the family needed to be sure the finances of a move would work.

0:20:080:20:12

We sent round two estate agents to give us their opinion

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on what their home in Newcastle could fetch.

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They'd bought it in 2010 for £159,000

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and had spent time modernising it.

0:20:220:20:25

It looks like it's been refurbished recently.

0:20:250:20:27

There's a new oven and hob. It's a good-sized space.

0:20:270:20:31

Third bedroom. Ike's room.

0:20:310:20:34

Perfectly chaotic. Ideal for a little boy.

0:20:340:20:36

Nice, large, open-plan dining room and lounge. Really nice.

0:20:360:20:41

-Really nice.

-Too right.

0:20:410:20:44

Great size second bedroom and a very lucky boy with all these toys.

0:20:440:20:47

A really pleasant three-bedroomed semi.

0:20:500:20:53

I'd be looking to put the property on the market at £189,950.

0:20:530:20:56

If they're looking for a quicker sale, probably closer to £175,000.

0:20:560:21:00

Wow, that's...

0:21:010:21:03

It's a fantastic little family home.

0:21:030:21:05

If I was to market the house, I'd market it at £185,000

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and for a quick sale £179,950.

0:21:080:21:11

BOTH: Wow!

0:21:110:21:13

-It's not bad, is it?

-Yeah!

0:21:130:21:15

-I want to live in England.

-SOBS

0:21:150:21:18

-Oh, sweetheart.

-I want to live in England.

0:21:180:21:22

-We do.

-We do.

0:21:220:21:24

-You miss your house?

-Yeah!

0:21:240:21:27

Oh, Reuben!

0:21:270:21:29

It's all right. We're going back there next week, aren't we?

0:21:290:21:34

We're going back there.

0:21:340:21:36

Do you just get a bit homesick, seeing your house on TV?

0:21:370:21:41

Yeah.

0:21:410:21:42

Don't worry, Reuben.

0:21:420:21:44

Reuben was upset by seeing his house and toys,

0:21:440:21:48

but Mum and Dad were more than happy with those valuations.

0:21:480:21:52

Next they had to see how far their money would go.

0:21:520:21:56

We prepared a breakdown of their living costs in Australia compared

0:21:560:22:00

to the UK to see if emigrating could really be possible.

0:22:000:22:03

Oh! So that was the flat.

0:22:030:22:06

We pretty much, erm, weren't that...

0:22:060:22:11

Monthly repayments.

0:22:110:22:13

We couldn't make that payment.

0:22:130:22:15

We'd be paying 3,730.

0:22:150:22:19

That is what I earn at the moment a month

0:22:190:22:23

-in the UK after tax.

-Yeah.

0:22:230:22:25

So we couldn't do that. And that's the cheapest of the three

0:22:250:22:28

even though it's not the one we'd really go for.

0:22:280:22:31

It wasn't looking good.

0:22:310:22:32

On their current income, the move would be a non-starter.

0:22:320:22:36

How do things add up based on Tosh's Aussie salary?

0:22:360:22:39

Right...

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x 12.

0:22:410:22:43

40.

0:22:440:22:45

So that means we are £3,712

0:22:470:22:52

worse off a year, here.

0:22:520:22:55

So the question is...

0:22:560:22:59

But that's with the massive £3,735 mortgage.

0:22:590:23:04

-That's not what we'd be jumping into so...

-It is very doable.

0:23:040:23:08

I think it's doable.

0:23:080:23:10

It's not a case of sell your house and move into a mansion

0:23:100:23:15

but it is a case of sell your house where we live

0:23:150:23:18

and move into a house here.

0:23:180:23:20

It's more positive than I thought it was going to be.

0:23:200:23:23

I'm really quite encouraged. I was expecting a much more grim picture.

0:23:230:23:27

The Afanasievs thought they could make the move but only if they

0:23:270:23:30

bought a house much smaller than the one they'd fallen for.

0:23:300:23:33

Did that mean their plans were over

0:23:330:23:35

or would they consider giving up their dream home?

0:23:350:23:38

We've done the reality check.

0:23:380:23:39

We've found some interesting facts and figures. Now it's time to vote.

0:23:390:23:43

-Australia.

-Australia!

0:23:470:23:50

-Brilliant.

-We'll be a little bit worse off

0:23:510:23:54

but not as worse off as I thought and I think what you get

0:23:540:23:57

in surroundings and environment makes up for that loss of money.

0:23:570:24:02

The things you have to buy are more expensive

0:24:020:24:05

-and the things you get for free are just much better, I think.

-Yeah.

0:24:050:24:08

Louise and Tosh had both spent time in Australia,

0:24:130:24:16

but that was before they met or had Reuben and Ike.

0:24:160:24:19

So as parents, they were keen to see what Oz could offer

0:24:190:24:22

in terms of a family day out.

0:24:220:24:25

As Reuben loved animals, they headed off to the world-famous Taronga Zoo.

0:24:250:24:29

That is a kangaroo.

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Her name is Khobar, and she is a Western Grey kangaroo.

0:24:320:24:36

Ah, look, she's giving him a cuddle.

0:24:360:24:38

Khobar seem to be doing a great job selling Australia to the boys,

0:24:380:24:43

and there were plenty of other cute animals to keep them happy.

0:24:430:24:46

-I've got here very a special animal. What is it?

-Koala bear!

-A koala.

0:24:490:24:54

Are you ready? Here we go.

0:24:540:24:57

I can...

0:24:590:25:01

Isn't she lovely?

0:25:010:25:03

TOSH: Her claws are really impressive, aren't they?

0:25:030:25:06

-You're pretty lucky.

-Definitely. Not many people get to do this.

0:25:060:25:10

After the zoo, the family spend time together on a nearby beach.

0:25:130:25:17

It had been an enjoyable day out.

0:25:170:25:19

But how would they vote on the lifestyle down under?

0:25:190:25:23

We've been to the zoo today, for our family activity.

0:25:230:25:25

So now it's time to vote.

0:25:250:25:27

TOSH AND LOUISE: Australia!

0:25:310:25:33

-Australia again?

-I'm just trying to keep you happy.

0:25:350:25:38

No, yeah, we had great morning. The zoo was amazing.

0:25:390:25:42

-There's definitely more for families, I think.

-Yeah.

0:25:420:25:45

Another vote for Australia was another step towards Tosh's dream.

0:25:450:25:49

But for Louise, the day had reminded her of her family back home.

0:25:490:25:54

I haven't forgotten about not having my parents here, which...

0:25:540:25:57

..you know, is...and still is the issue for me.

0:25:590:26:03

Now it's the only issue,

0:26:030:26:05

whereas before, it was the big issue, plus there were other things.

0:26:050:26:09

But now that's the only thing.

0:26:090:26:11

For Louise, leaving loved ones behind in the UK

0:26:160:26:18

was always going to be the toughest obstacle to moving.

0:26:180:26:22

When I do stop to think about it, I do get quite upset.

0:26:220:26:26

Especially now, knowing a little bit more

0:26:280:26:33

about how I feel about Australia, it's even more upsetting.

0:26:330:26:36

We haven't even got the DVD on yet and I'm welling up!

0:26:370:26:40

Watching messages from home would be emotional,

0:26:410:26:44

but Tosh and Louise chose to watch the DVD with their children.

0:26:440:26:48

Hello, Louise, Tosh and the boys, Ike and Reuben.

0:26:480:26:54

Lou's my soulmate, actually. We go back to school days.

0:26:540:27:00

-I'll miss her terribly.

-She's just a lovely daughter.

0:27:000:27:04

We do have our moments,

0:27:040:27:06

but we get on better now than when she was in her teens.

0:27:060:27:10

Well, you know, one part of your heart drops,

0:27:100:27:13

the other one thinks, "Well, they know what they're doing."

0:27:130:27:16

Even Newcastle feels like the other end of the world.

0:27:160:27:20

It is going to be quite upsetting, thinking that, actually,

0:27:200:27:23

to go and see Tosh and Lou is going to be quite a big haul

0:27:230:27:27

to get the five of us out there.

0:27:270:27:28

I know you're in Australia now and you're trying to decide

0:27:280:27:31

whether to stay or not or whether to go, but the last thing

0:27:310:27:34

I want is you to worry about what's going to happen to us.

0:27:340:27:37

I would prefer you to think about your life.

0:27:370:27:42

We have had our life.

0:27:420:27:44

And if you're happy and you think it's going to be a better life

0:27:440:27:47

for the boys, you've got our blessing.

0:27:470:27:49

And we hope that you'll really enjoy it.

0:27:490:27:52

We wouldn't stand in your way, you know that.

0:27:520:27:56

We would miss you, but if you want to go, you go. It's your life.

0:27:560:28:01

And we want you to do well.

0:28:010:28:03

I'm behind you, absolutely behind you.

0:28:030:28:07

But I have to say that I'll miss you guys so much.

0:28:070:28:12

Don't worry about me. Just do whatever you want to do.

0:28:120:28:17

Follow your instincts, as you always have.

0:28:170:28:20

And you've pretty well always been right. So carry on.

0:28:200:28:25

Ike and Reuben know I would miss them more than I could ever say.

0:28:250:28:30

But they know I'm always here.

0:28:310:28:34

I don't want them not to decide to go because of me.

0:28:370:28:41

I would like you to make your mind up what you want to do.

0:28:410:28:45

And know that Grandma's here for you always.

0:28:460:28:49

Ah...

0:28:520:28:53

Taking them away from their grandparents is probably...

0:28:570:29:00

is the biggest thing. That's kind of...

0:29:000:29:03

I've sort of thought about a lot recently.

0:29:030:29:07

It's their world, you know, the boys are their world, and they see them all the time.

0:29:070:29:10

I think, am I being selfish taking them away when, you know...?

0:29:100:29:17

Maybe I am, I don't know. Maybe... You know.

0:29:190:29:22

I think, erm... Yeah, I mean, what I wouldn't want to do

0:29:260:29:30

is push Louise into a decision that was too painful, you know, to make.

0:29:300:29:37

I can have perfectly understand why someone might see

0:29:370:29:42

that living somewhere else would be better for them

0:29:420:29:45

but still decide not to because of not wanting to leave people who are close to them.

0:29:450:29:49

I can understand that happening.

0:29:490:29:51

It was an emotional end to their week,

0:29:570:30:00

and Tosh and Louise had plenty to think about.

0:30:000:30:03

Louise has always had more doubts than me about coming here.

0:30:030:30:06

Her reaction to seeing friends and family back home, er,

0:30:060:30:10

it wasn't a surprise at all.

0:30:100:30:12

It made me feel really emotional.

0:30:120:30:15

And it was my reality check, because that's always been the big thing that, you know,

0:30:150:30:20

that's made me very sort of against the decision.

0:30:200:30:25

Whether watching those messages will actually pull her back the other way,

0:30:250:30:28

I don't know. And if that's the case, then that's the case. I wouldn't want to force that.

0:30:280:30:33

If that's the case, I wouldn't want to force it anyway, because we wouldn't be happy here then.

0:30:330:30:37

When it comes to the final vote with Louise, I don't know. Who knows?

0:30:370:30:41

So did they choose a future in Australia?

0:30:410:30:43

Or had the heartache of seeing loved ones made leaving the UK unthinkable?

0:30:430:30:48

We've come to the end of a fantastic week here in Australia.

0:30:510:30:54

We've seem some fantastic houses, some great sights,

0:30:540:30:57

some great beaches.

0:30:570:30:58

We've had a great time. And now it's time for the final vote.

0:30:580:31:02

LOUISE AND TOSH: Australia!

0:31:090:31:11

-You voted for it as well?!

-Fantastic!

0:31:110:31:15

Why did you vote Australia?

0:31:150:31:18

Cos it's hotter than the UK.

0:31:180:31:20

Cos it's hotter, OK!

0:31:200:31:22

Overall, I just think the feel...

0:31:220:31:25

it feels like a better place for us to live.

0:31:250:31:28

I think it's more geared for the way we want to live.

0:31:280:31:32

-And I think we could have a better life here.

-Yeah. I agree.

0:31:320:31:35

It's been a real surprise.

0:31:350:31:37

On the plane here, I didn't think that I'd be voting...now...

0:31:370:31:40

that I'd be voting Australia.

0:31:400:31:42

I thought I would be voting the UK.

0:31:440:31:46

I thought you might do a bit of a... middle-of-the-road thing.

0:31:460:31:51

-No, I'm so far the other way.

-Brilliant! Brilliant!

0:31:510:31:55

-I don't do anything by halves.

-No, no. It's true.

-Ever.

0:31:550:31:58

After facing up to the emotional and financial costs, it looked like

0:32:040:32:09

Louise had been won over by Tosh's dream of a new life down under.

0:32:090:32:14

So two years after their trial week in Sydney, where do the Afanasievs call home now?

0:32:140:32:19

It's 2013, and the Afanasievs are living in...

0:32:210:32:24

you've guessed it - Australia!

0:32:240:32:27

When we caught up with them, they'd been in the country for just over six months

0:32:300:32:35

and had friends round for a barbecue.

0:32:350:32:37

But when they returned from their trial week two years previously,

0:32:370:32:41

there was some uncertainty

0:32:410:32:43

whether they'd actually go ahead with the move.

0:32:430:32:46

After we did our trip to Australia in 2011, we went back to the UK.

0:32:460:32:51

And it was a really interesting time, actually,

0:32:510:32:55

because there was a lot of reflection, and us thinking about

0:32:550:32:58

-what we'd seen, and I think Lou went through a few swings, didn't you?

-Yeah.

0:32:580:33:04

There were times when Lou was very much, "No, we've got to do it."

0:33:040:33:08

And there were times where she was more like, "Oh, I'm not sure now."

0:33:080:33:12

Yeah, I sort of wavered a bit.

0:33:120:33:14

For all I knew that eventually we would come,

0:33:140:33:19

and I knew that we all wanted to do it, I did keep wavering,

0:33:190:33:25

because, obviously, we have quite a good network of friends over there.

0:33:250:33:29

The more we were sort of settling into that sort of lifestyle

0:33:290:33:32

and that routine of the boys being at school and nursery,

0:33:320:33:37

and then you got offered the job pretty quickly, didn't you?

0:33:370:33:41

Yeah, I got offered a job with sponsorship that would bring us over quickly.

0:33:410:33:46

Tosh was offered a role with a software consultancy in Perth, Western Australia.

0:33:460:33:51

Emigrating had suddenly become very real.

0:33:510:33:54

But the idea didn't go well with everyone in the family.

0:33:540:33:57

I remember telling the boys that I'd been offered a job in Australia,

0:33:570:34:01

and that meant we could move there if we wanted to.

0:34:010:34:04

-And Reuben initially was really upset.

-Yeah, he started crying.

-He really didn't want to do it,

0:34:040:34:08

-even though he'd loved Australia.

-And he kept saying to us,

0:34:080:34:11

"Are we taking things with us? Can I take my toys?

0:34:110:34:14

-"Can I take my bed?" Wasn't he?

-Yeah.

-I said, "Look, we're just going to take everything.

0:34:140:34:18

"Everything is going to come from our house here,

0:34:180:34:20

"and we're going to take it over there, and everything will be the same.

0:34:200:34:23

"But we'll just be somewhere else." And he was like, "Oh, OK."

0:34:230:34:27

With Reuben on board, Tosh and Louise finally plunged ahead with plans

0:34:270:34:30

to move lock, stock and barrel to the other side of the world.

0:34:300:34:34

But not before an emotional tour of the UK to say goodbye to loved ones.

0:34:340:34:39

We travelled round and saw various people.

0:34:390:34:41

We went down to the southwest and caught up with some friends

0:34:410:34:44

and saw my sister and saw my parents, things like that.

0:34:440:34:47

And then we had a big knees-up, didn't we, in Newcastle?

0:34:470:34:51

-Why am I getting upset?

-I don't know.

0:34:510:34:54

Saying farewell to her parents had always been Louise's biggest concern about moving.

0:35:040:35:09

And when it came to leaving friends and family behind,

0:35:090:35:12

the experience was a huge wrench.

0:35:120:35:15

I didn't cope well, saying my goodbyes in the UK.

0:35:150:35:18

It was very, very emotional. It was just goodbye after goodbye after goodbye.

0:35:180:35:23

And it was really sad. Just cos you don't know when you'll see them again.

0:35:230:35:27

I remember getting quite sad as we took off.

0:35:270:35:30

It's not easy saying goodbye to your family, it's not...to move away,

0:35:340:35:39

even if you don't see them that often,

0:35:390:35:42

but we'd see Lou's parents every day.

0:35:420:35:45

So I think for her, yeah, that's a big factor.

0:35:450:35:48

It's when the plane leaves the ground, you know, then that's it,

0:35:480:35:52

we don't live in England any more. We live in Australia. We've left.

0:35:520:35:57

We've gone. You know, it was really sad.

0:35:570:36:00

The Afanasievs touched down in Perth in November 2012.

0:36:020:36:07

My job brought us over here.

0:36:070:36:09

They paid for a visa for me,

0:36:090:36:12

so I had a couple of weeks off, and then I started work.

0:36:120:36:15

Tosh's new job helped him get settled straightaway.

0:36:150:36:19

'I'm very busy with that, so I have, you know,'

0:36:200:36:23

I've got an automatic circle of workmates and I'm very busy,

0:36:230:36:28

so I've instantly felt very integrated.

0:36:280:36:30

Lou's had to work much harder, I think,

0:36:300:36:32

at integrating herself into the community.

0:36:320:36:35

But she's done a really great job of that.

0:36:350:36:37

Louise has also taken on a new role.

0:36:370:36:39

Since the boys started school,

0:36:390:36:41

I've been volunteering at school, making myself known at the school.

0:36:410:36:45

And as a result of that, I'm on the supply list at school.

0:36:450:36:49

And last week, I did my first paid day's work. So it's really good.

0:36:490:36:52

You know, once Ike starts full-time school next year,

0:36:520:36:56

I'd quite like to, you know, sort of pick up where I left off in the UK

0:36:560:37:01

with a job in a school

0:37:010:37:03

and get back into the classroom and do that again.

0:37:030:37:08

Maybe not on a full-time, five days a week, full-time, you know,

0:37:080:37:13

so I've still got some time for the boys,

0:37:130:37:15

but that's the kind of way I'd see it going for me.

0:37:150:37:19

Looks like Louise is beginning to feel as settled in as Tosh.

0:37:190:37:23

I feel very comfortable here.

0:37:230:37:26

I feel that I felt that quite quickly,

0:37:260:37:29

much quicker than I thought I would.

0:37:290:37:31

So has leaving their UK life behind being worth the emotional upheaval?

0:37:310:37:36

Everything including the accommodation is just

0:37:360:37:39

that little bit more expensive than I think we had expected. Erm...

0:37:390:37:43

but then, having said that, you know,

0:37:430:37:45

just cos it's expensive doesn't mean it's not good value.

0:37:450:37:48

-We have a really comfortable, really nice life.

-Yeah.

-I'm certainly not disappointed...

0:37:480:37:52

-No.

-..by what we've got.

0:37:520:37:54

I think it's everything you could want, moving,

0:37:540:37:56

in terms of the space, and the neighbourhood is really good.

0:37:560:38:00

It's handy for the city, it's good for shops and all that sort of stuff.

0:38:000:38:04

-It's absolutely brilliant.

-But it is difficult. It's really difficult...

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leaving your family.

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And you've just got to be positive and make the most of it

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and remember why we came and remember all the positive things

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and not dwell on the negative, you know.

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Cos you could come here and you could be down on this and down on that

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and negative about everything and, "Ooh, nothing's the same,"

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but we haven't made that commitment

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both financially and emotionally to not...

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to just come here and be negative and be miserable.

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The couple sold the family home in the UK

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and are currently renting a property in the suburb of Warwick.

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I think, when we get to know the area better and get more established,

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then I think we'd probably like to buy, but I think we're quite happy renting for now.

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Two months after their arrival,

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the family's new home was already welcoming visitors from the UK.

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My parents came out to see us in January. They stayed for six weeks.

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And it was great for the boys to see them,

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and they were there for their first day of school.

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And that was really good. And yeah, it was great.

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We had a really lovely time.

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But it was harder saying goodbye to them when they left here

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than it was saying goodbye to them when we left them in England.

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And we didn't know when they were going to be coming again.

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Reuben, who's turned six, and Ike, who is now four,

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have taken to Australia like ducks to water - quite literally!

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Since we got here, the kids are much better at getting stuck into things.

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Their swimming has come on loads -

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having a pool in the back garden is amazing,

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because it's just brought their confidence up loads.

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It's like, I can't believe the sunshine.

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I don't really like going in the shade,

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unless it's a boiling hot day and I'm really hot.

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But then you've also got some water to chill out in and get cool.

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I think the quality of life here for children is much healthier.

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Just they're outdoors more, they're running around more.

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They're having a great time.

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In England, it's like raining all the time,

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and you can't really go to the beach.

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And you can't really go outside and play in the garden.

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But while he's not missing the British weather,

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the UK's often in Reuben's thoughts for another reason.

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You know, Reuben, every now and then, will have a little cry and go,

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"Oh, I miss Grandma and Grandad." You know, if he speaks to them, or if we start talking about them,

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he'll get upset and say that he misses them.

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I sometimes joke with them,

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in the summer, when they were whingeing about the hot... "It's too hot, it's too hot!"

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I'd say, "Let's go back to England!"

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They're like, "No! No, I don't want to go back there!"

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Tosh was always aware making the move down under

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would be a massive gamble.

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Moving here as a family was something that had taken...effectively,

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it'd be 14 years since I'd first come here.

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There was pressure on me when I first came here -

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this had better be good, because I've pushed for it all these years.

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So I feel really pleased that we've done it.

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I feel that we can see already that it was a good thing as far as the kids go.

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I think it's a good thing as far as we go.

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And I do feel, yeah, I do feel quite relieved that it's all going so well.

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And although she may miss her parents back home,

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Louise is happy she's made the right decision.

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I am glad that Tosh went on at us for years and years and years

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about Australia, because I would never have made the move

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if he hadn't have been the driving...

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the driving force behind it, I would never have instigated

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a move over here.

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But I'm really glad he did and I think it's kind of...

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It's sort of a new beginning, isn't it? It's sort of woken us all up.

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In the space of a year, the Afanasievs have completely transformed their lives.

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And for them, there's no looking back.

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I just feel that we're going to live a - hopefully -

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live a longer, healthier existence in the lovely sunshine.

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And when I'm, like, an old woman, sitting by the pool out there, you know,

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hopefully we'll think, yeah, all those years ago, we made a really, really good decision.

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A lot of things in the world can change, and a lot of things

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in your life can change, but there's certain things that stay the same.

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And I think the fact that we've changed our setting completely

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but still we're together as a family

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shows the kids what's really important.

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And the couple have some words of advice for anyone

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considering the life-changing choice they faced.

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I think if people are considering coming,

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if anyone's in that... should I or shouldn't I,

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it's definitely worth doing

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and finding out for sure rather than wondering.

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Do it. Do it.

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It's an adventure, you know. Life's about adventure.

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ALL: Cheers!

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Cheers, guys.

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The Afanasievs are living proof that facing difficult decisions

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and working through hard times can turn out for the best.

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They now have the life they dreamed of,

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and the whole family is loving it down under.

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We wish them all the best.

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