Ramoth Family Wanted Down Under


Ramoth Family

Series in which British families explore the idea of living in Australia or New Zealand. Lauren is hoping a week in Perth will convince husband Lee to agree to a move.


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Your partner has spent years trying to sell you a life in Australia.

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Now you've finally come round to the idea, they've changed their mind.

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So, how do you convince them that moving your family almost 9,000 miles from home

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really is the best thing for your future?

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Ten years ago Lee Ramoth was prepared to pack up for a life down under,

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but wife Lauren had her feet planted firmly in the UK.

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I just thought, well, why do we want to leave this and move to the other

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side of the world when what we've got going on here is great?

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Fast forward a decade, though...

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I am desperate to go.

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For me, it's just not really an option at the moment.

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The shoe is on the other foot. But when a trial week down under doesn't go to plan...

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If I'm not convinced, how can I then try and convince you?

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..where the Ramoths' future lies is far from certain.

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With an average temperature of 22 Celsius

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and more than 10,000 beaches to enjoy the sunshine,

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it's not hard to understand why Australia's a magnet for Brits

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seeking a new life down under.

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But life on the other side of the world doesn't always live up to the dream,

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and latest figures show almost half of those making the move return to the UK.

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Ten years ago, Lee Ramoth tried to convince wife Lauren

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their life would be better on the other side of the world.

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Now the tables have turned, though, and Lauren's trying to persuade Lee

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to give up a successful business and close family ties in the UK to pursue

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the future he once dreamt about in Australia.

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The coming week will be a chance to find out if the country lives up to

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Lauren's expectations and if so,

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whether she can reignite Lee's passion for making the move.

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The journey to Perth has taken the Ramoths nearly 9,000 miles from home

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and after almost 20 hours in the air, they're feeling the distance.

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The flight was really quite long!

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It took a whole day and night.

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Having finally arrived, Lauren's got mixed emotions.

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I'm really, really stupidly excited that we're actually here,

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but I feel there's also quite a fair bit of pressure on me

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because I've built it up into something really special

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and if it doesn't materialise into that then...

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While the kids are looking forward to the wildlife...

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I want to see the scorpions.

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I'm looking forward to seeing koala bears.

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Lee's anticipating some answers in the week ahead.

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It's really got to show everything,

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that I'm going to be able to afford to give my kids and family the lifestyle that they so deserve.

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The next seven days will determine which side

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of the world the family's future lies.

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Meet the Ramoths, dad Lee, mum Lauren,

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eight-year-old Noah and Lulu, who's five.

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They hail from Leeds in Yorkshire.

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It's not Daddy's, it's yours, Bibi.

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Lee first dreamt of moving down under ten years ago.

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Back then, Lauren was disinclined to ditch a comfortable life in the UK.

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We had a nice house, a nice car each, both had a steady income.

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so I just thought why do we want to leave this

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and move to the other side of the world

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when what we've got going on here is great?

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Lee's dream was put on hold.

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Two years on, however, recession hit.

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Just months into a new carpet fitting job,

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Lee was made redundant and had no choice but to set up on his own.

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Going self-employed was a massive risk,

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I wasn't sure how I was going to get work.

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I didn't know what I was doing from one day to the next.

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With a young family now in tow,

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the couple saw little prospects for a future in the UK.

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Thoughts turned once more to Australia,

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this time with Lauren on board.

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When you have kids, your mind-set changes.

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The more that I researched into it,

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the more I liked the idea of emigrating.

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With a view to securing a job down under,

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Lauren returned to university to study midwifery,

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but with just one wage coming in and Lee's business struggling to get off

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the ground, things hit rock-bottom.

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It really was...

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hard, and we really were hand-to-mouth.

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I think when it really did it for me was having a week where...

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I only earned £30.

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The next few years were tough,

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but while Lauren was busy upping her skills

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Lee had a breakthrough in the flooring business with his.

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I've hit a bit of a niche in the market which has made me get really busy here.

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I don't have to go out and look for work.

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The work's there all the time.

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With business booming and Lauren now working full-time as a midwife,

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cash flow concerns have been carpeted,

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but success hasn't come without sacrifice.

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So when I'm at home, he's not. And vice versa.

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We seem to have fallen into this pattern where we're like passing ships.

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Lee's long hours and Lauren's shift patterns leave little time for the children.

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I feel sorry for 'em. It's always either their mum or their dad.

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Go steady.

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It's a bit slippy.

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It's not really fair, it's not family time.

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Their relationship's feeling the strain, too.

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I can't even remember the last time that we went out and did something, and that's really quite sad.

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Lauren's decided enough is enough.

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I don't think that that's something I could cope with long term and it

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isn't something I want to continue on with.

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Determined to improve the situation

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she's pushing to get the Aussie dream back on track.

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I am desperate to go.

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I think that it would be the best opportunity for us as a family.

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But having sown the seed ten years ago, Lee's now refusing to yield.

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For me, it's just not really an option at the moment.

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It's taken a lot of hard work to get to where I am and now for Lauren to

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want me to get rid of all that and start again, is it a gamble?

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Yeah, it's a massive gamble.

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And it's not just work stopping Lee.

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His parents recently moved back from Cyprus to be with their grandchildren.

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There's only me with kids, and to take their grandkids away,

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from them...

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..you know, it's just...

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It's not something I'm wanting to do.

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If we live in Australia I'm going to miss my granny and grandpa

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and grandma and grandad.

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But Lauren's determined things have to change,

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so Lee has agreed to give Australia a go,

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but he's going to take a lot of persuading.

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To come round to Lauren's way of thinking and to actually make that plunge,

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it'd have to have everything in place.

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I'd have to just go and things just blow me away for me to move.

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As the trial week approaches,

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they're both all too aware of what's at stake.

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I feel extremely pressured that I'm the one

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ultimately holding our lives and futures in my hands, really.

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I'm the one that's been pushing it like crazy for it to happen.

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And if things don't pan out the way that I hope,

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then that could just potentially upset everything.

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The Ramoths are spending their trial week in Perth,

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capital of western Australia.

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With more sunny days per year than any other Australian city,

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there's plenty of opportunity to enjoy its 26 parks and reserves.

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Home for the week is the coastal suburb of Mindarie,

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just 30 minutes north of the city centre.

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It's getting dark as the family arrive at their base,

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but will the week get off to the bright start Lauren's hoping for?

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Wow, this looks nice, doesn't it?

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-And this is our...

-Wow!

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Whoa!

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-LEE:

-Very nice.

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First impressions are good.

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It's lovely and modern. It's really light and bright.

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There's loads of space, absolutely loads of space!

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More than big enough for us.

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The Aussie style bathroom's got them enthused.

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Oh, yeah, nice.

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I like the big shower.

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-Your sink.

-His and hers sinks. I was just going to say that.

-Yeah.

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Things seem to be off to a positive start, but as the family settle in,

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Lauren knows she's got a long way to go before she can call this country home.

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And she's banking on the week reviving Lee's old vision.

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Obviously, you know we have got some common ground.

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There must be something there for us to kind of reignite, to try and

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help push it forward.

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But Lee's giving nothing away just yet.

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It was my dream ten years ago, right up till...

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..maybe two years ago.

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If it just doesn't quite cut it, though, I'm afraid,

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the dream could be over.

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Back in the UK, the Ramoth family live in a three bedroom

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semidetached house five miles outside Leeds.

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I love this house. I think it's been really good to us.

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It's taken us a long time to get it to how we wanted it to look.

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The couple have a budget of £250,000 for a home down under

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and they have mixed opinions on what they want.

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You know, main concern is a good area for schools, for the kids.

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I'd compromise on size of property and everything else just to have the

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-right...

-Would you?

-..area.

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Really?

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I'm not sure how I feel about that.

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This house is not the biggest but I wouldn't want anything any smaller.

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No, no, no, no. Definite.

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That's Lee told. So what is on Lauren's wish list?

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Four good size bedrooms, that would be my dream house.

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This is Lulu's bedroom.

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As you can see, it's quite small,

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so it would be nice if we could have a room with a bigger space

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so she could have her toys in, have her own space

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and do her colouring in and things like that.

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I'd love another bathroom.

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I am just absolutely sick of fighting for the bathroom.

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-And for Lee...

-Cos I do the cooking in the house, I would like

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a big island so I can still look out onto the family and things while I'm doing the cooking.

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I think I'm ready to move into something that I wouldn't have to do anything with.

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To find out what kind of house they could have in Australia,

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today we'll show the family three properties.

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Two on budget, and a third which could be their dream home.

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Only after they have seen each one will they discover its value.

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House-hunting begins in Clarkson.

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Just five minutes from the ocean,

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and a half hour commute to central Perth,

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the area's popular with young families.

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This modern four-bedroom home should have the space the Ramoths are looking for.

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That looks nice, doesn't it?

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Thumbs up so far, but inside it's a different story.

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I'm not a big fan of walking straight in from the outside,

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straight into somewhere to sit.

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I would have hoped for it to be a little bit different.

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I think our house is better than this house.

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Oh, dear. Not quite the reaction Lauren wanted.

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Let's hope things improve.

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-Oh! This is a nice space, isn't it?

-I like this kitchen.

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-LULU:

-Look at the lights on the kitchen!

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They're a bit posh. Got a good dining space.

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That's more like it, but on closer inspection...

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I'm not sure about these tiles.

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It's not just the wall tiles under scrutiny.

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I think kind of terracotta colours are not my thing.

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-It looks a bit cheesy.

-It's a bit dark.

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-I'm not feeling the vibe at the moment. I don't think it's right for us.

-No, I'm not feeling it.

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Things seem to be going from bad to worse.

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Do you know what? If I'm honest, I'm feeling really disappointed.

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I thought we could get something that would be kind of nice and bright and airy.

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I don't think this was my idea

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of a property that we would be able to afford.

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Lauren's disheartened. And the children...

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Mummy, I'm bored.

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Time to call in the childminder.

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As Lulu and Noah head off to do more interesting stuff,

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Mum and Dad continue the tour.

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Oh, right, yep, bedroom one.

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This isn't too bad a size, actually.

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Bit lighter in here.

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Could you imagine our stuff in here?

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No. I think you get a feel for a place.

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It either works or it doesn't.

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And I just don't think it would work for us.

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It does have one pleasing feature.

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Walk-in wardrobe. That's put a smile back on my face.

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THEY LAUGH

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But the en suite's wiped it off again.

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Don't get me wrong. It's nice that you've got an en-suite.

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That's something that we don't have at home.

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But again, it's just, yeah, too boxed in, I think.

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I'm not feeling it. I'm not feeling it at all, really.

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Despite having the required four bedrooms,

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this house just isn't hitting the spot with the couple.

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Perhaps outdoors can lift their spirits.

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It's a nice outside space, isn't it?

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-Yeah.

-To be fair, the garden is actually a really good size.

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That's more positive.

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-I'm not sure about the big metal box, though.

-Yeah.

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It is quite private.

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Yeah, it's definitely not overlooked.

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The garden may be more appealing, but is it enough?

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If I'm expecting you to make a move to Australia...

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..what happens if this is all we can afford?

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I'm actually really worried at the moment.

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I wouldn't want to leave home for this.

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So you're saying this is a deal-breaker?

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You wouldn't move?

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I wouldn't move, no. No.

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This property is falling far short of Lauren's dream home.

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And if it's over their £250,000 budget she could be on shaky ground.

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I feel a bit nervous. It's like the moment of truth.

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With it having the four bedrooms,

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I think it's going to be pretty much at the top of our budget.

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I think you're looking around £245,000.

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I think it's going to be worth about £213,000.

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I think I'd be devastated if I found that this was all we could get for our money.

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£239,000.

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It's £11,000 under budget,

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but still more than Lauren was hoping it would be.

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I feel a bit disappointed.

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-I'm pretty close. Pretty close.

-Yeah, you were right.

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I think the only bonus is that we are not quite at the top of our budget,

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so I'm just hoping and praying and keeping everything crossed that that is enough

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to make a significant difference as to what we could get.

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With Lauren's plan to convert Lee off to a crumbling start,

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the couple continue their search.

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Property two is in Quinns Rocks, a popular residential suburb,

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23 miles north of Perth.

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Just a stone's throw from the beach,

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will this modern new build help get Lauren's dream back on track?

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It's got a lovely big drive.

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-It has, yeah.

-Look at the front garden, as well.

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Right, kids, shall we get out and have a look?

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-Yes.

-Yeah.

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Right. Now look at this space.

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Ah, this is more like it.

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It feels more light and airy, doesn't it?

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And it has more of a modern feel to it.

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It's much lighter than the other property.

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It looks better than the outside of it.

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And with that, Lulu and Noah decide they've had enough of real estate for one day.

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Mum and Dad explore further.

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The kitchen-diner has got plenty of room for the family.

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You've got a good amount of space to work with.

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It's definitely got the potential.

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Whereas I don't think the first property had that.

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But, again, it does depend on budget, doesn't it?

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-Yeah.

-It's definitely a positive step in the right direction, I think.

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But it's not long before things go off piste.

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Oh! This is small, this is really small.

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I feel a bit deflated again.

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-Take it this must be the en-suite...

-HE LAUGHS

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-Do you want me to look round first and then I'll let you?

-Oh, my gosh!

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That is teeny.

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-I'll just squeeze round here.

-Oh, no, that's ridiculous.

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No, that is ridiculous.

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And size isn't the only issue.

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Is that mould?

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There's a fly knocking about, as well.

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Hmm.

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Oh, dear. And things don't get any better next door.

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This is a small room.

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Yeah, they are getting a little bit smaller, aren't they?

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-Yeah, they are, definitely.

-I don't want to be negative about it,

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cos I'm trying to think of positives,

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but if it's just not working for us, it's not working.

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-And you can't sugar-coat it.

-No.

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Once again, though, the outside area impresses.

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Yeah, this is a lovely size.

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I've got absolutely no complaints with this at all.

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It's giving Lee food for thought.

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Is there any room to make it any bigger?

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I don't know. But then that's not going to be cheap, is it?

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From the outside, it looks ideal.

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It's just the inside.

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-Yeah.

-But it is what it is.

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I think now I'm just worried about the price.

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The couple have misgivings about this house,

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but is it somewhere they could afford anyway, with their £250,000 budget?

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-Here we go.

-I'm not going to lie.

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I'm a bit scared about what this price might be.

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It's going to be right at the top of the budget.

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I know that there's a lot more to do with this house,

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but I think the area itself is a better area.

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Let's just get this over with. Let's see how much it is.

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-Put me out of my misery.

-Right, will do.

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-Oh!

-£250,000.

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It's bang on budget.

0:18:370:18:39

I'm actually quite relieved.

0:18:390:18:41

-You're quite relieved?

-Yeah.

-It's kind of what I thought.

0:18:410:18:45

-It's not really surprised me.

-So it's not game over just yet.

0:18:450:18:49

It's not game over.

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But if we can't find anything, then it would be.

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Lauren's staying positive, but with just one property to go,

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her chances of winning Lee round are getting slimmer by the moment.

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For the final stop of the day,

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we found what we think could be the Ramoths' dream home.

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Like the first place, it's also in Clarkson.

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Will this four-bedroom, two bathroom house finally deliver the wow factor?

0:19:120:19:17

-It's nice so far.

-I'm feeling happy.

0:19:170:19:20

Feeling happy. Yeah, it looks lovely.

0:19:200:19:22

Straight away things are looking up.

0:19:220:19:24

-Got a proper hallway.

-Ah, yeah.

0:19:260:19:28

This is more like it.

0:19:280:19:30

This is lovely. This is just everything that I was expecting.

0:19:300:19:35

Finally...

0:19:350:19:37

-Oh, wow.

-Oh, my gosh!

-Yeah, this is huge.

0:19:370:19:40

-This is lovely.

-And it's really open.

0:19:400:19:43

This is perfect.

0:19:430:19:44

The kitchen's got the contemporary feel Lauren's been looking for.

0:19:440:19:48

Yes, this is definitely what I'd envisaged.

0:19:480:19:51

The layout's perfect for chef Lee.

0:19:510:19:53

You've got definite kitchen, dining, living, but it's all open still.

0:19:530:19:58

There is no comparison between this and the other two houses.

0:19:580:20:03

This is in a completely different league.

0:20:030:20:05

Yeah, it's just ready straightaway to move into.

0:20:050:20:07

Yeah. And that is exactly what we wanted.

0:20:070:20:09

Lauren's blown away by this place and it looks like it could be a turning point for Lee.

0:20:090:20:14

If we could afford a property like this, definitely.

0:20:140:20:17

I think you've got me on board.

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Things continue on a positive note in the master bedroom.

0:20:200:20:25

Oh, my gosh, wow!

0:20:250:20:26

This is definitely a good master bedroom.

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Oh, look at the en-suite.

0:20:300:20:31

-Oh, my gosh, and there's a walk-in wardrobe!

-Lovely.

0:20:320:20:35

Must be triplets living in this house or perhaps a three-for-one offer.

0:20:350:20:40

There's plenty of room for the children, too.

0:20:400:20:43

Oh, yeah.

0:20:430:20:45

-Nice.

-This is a nice bedroom.

0:20:450:20:47

-There's loads of floor space, isn't there?

-Yeah.

0:20:470:20:50

Wow. Another nice big bedroom again.

0:20:500:20:52

Oh, my gosh, this is lovely!

0:20:520:20:53

Could be the perfect pad for Lulu.

0:20:530:20:56

Girls come with more stuff, I think.

0:20:560:20:58

She'll love it, her own little dressing up area.

0:20:580:21:00

Her mirror that she could do little twirls in.

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And a fourth bedroom means space for overseas guests.

0:21:020:21:05

Honestly, it's just getting better and better, the more we look at it.

0:21:050:21:08

-It is ticking the boxes, isn't it?

-I'm ready to move in. Shall we?

0:21:080:21:10

Hold your horses.

0:21:120:21:14

Oh, yeah, we need to see if we can afford it yet.

0:21:140:21:16

THEY LAUGH

0:21:160:21:18

Outdoors doesn't disappoint either.

0:21:180:21:21

-This is lovely.

-Oh, yeah, we can sit down here.

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So the kids can still run around, get some fresh air.

0:21:240:21:27

-Yeah, and it's still private.

-Your own little private sanctuary.

0:21:270:21:30

-Yep, another tick in that box.

-Yep.

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The couple are on cloud nine.

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But if the price falls on the wrong side of their £250,000 budget,

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they could come back down to earth with a bang.

0:21:400:21:43

-So, this is what it all comes down to.

-Yeah.

-Feeling nervous.

0:21:430:21:47

I honestly think this is going to be well over our budget.

0:21:470:21:50

Yeah, I'm kind of hoping that you're wrong.

0:21:520:21:56

I'm going to pluck a figure out and say...

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280. £280,000, I reckon.

0:22:000:22:03

Yeah, I don't think you're too far off the mark.

0:22:030:22:05

I think it will be somewhere around the 300,000.

0:22:050:22:09

So, shall we get this over with and see how much it costs?

0:22:090:22:12

I feel a bit sick.

0:22:190:22:20

OK...

0:22:220:22:23

-Oh, wow.

-Oh, my God!

0:22:230:22:25

£314,000.

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That's £64,000 over budget.

0:22:270:22:30

That is considerably over our budget.

0:22:300:22:34

That's way over budget.

0:22:340:22:35

Yeah. I mean, I know we can't afford that,

0:22:350:22:37

so I'm struggling to be convinced that we've got an affordable option with housing,

0:22:370:22:43

so I think if anything that's going to make my task of trying to convince you even harder.

0:22:430:22:49

Cos if I'm not convinced, how can I try and convince you?

0:22:490:22:53

It's been a day of mixed results on the Ramoth property hunt.

0:22:530:22:56

House number one was below budget

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but it lacked the charm to convince Lee to make a move.

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Although affordable, property two left little room for manoeuvre.

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The final house, though, was a complete show stopper,

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but with a price tag to match.

0:23:100:23:12

So when it comes to homes in Australia,

0:23:120:23:14

how will the couple cast their vote?

0:23:140:23:17

Based on the properties that we've seen today, my vote goes to...

0:23:170:23:20

-BOTH:

-UK.

0:23:290:23:31

Although the final property was a really nice one,

0:23:310:23:35

it was just way too much over budget.

0:23:350:23:38

I wouldn't want to move to Australia based on properties one and two.

0:23:380:23:43

I loved property three, but like you say,

0:23:430:23:45

it's just well out of our price range.

0:23:450:23:48

We need to see what the rest of the week brings.

0:23:480:23:50

This is just the first hurdle to overcome.

0:23:500:23:53

-Every cloud, yeah.

-Yeah.

0:23:530:23:56

Lauren's trying hard to stay positive,

0:23:590:24:02

but the reality of Perth properties

0:24:020:24:04

has produced a very shaky start to her dream of a new life down under.

0:24:040:24:08

Finding the right jobs in Australia will be key for her to come close

0:24:080:24:12

to affording the home and lifestyle she yearns for.

0:24:120:24:15

Back in the UK, Lee runs his own bespoke flooring business.

0:24:160:24:20

I go in-house and design the floors with the customer.

0:24:200:24:24

It's kind of put me in a different league

0:24:240:24:28

which has worked, and it's paid dividends back already.

0:24:280:24:32

Lauren's the main visa applicant.

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Having retrained as a midwife seven years ago,

0:24:340:24:37

she's been hooked on the job ever since.

0:24:370:24:39

I think with midwifery and nursing,

0:24:390:24:42

they're the type of jobs that you have to have a passion for.

0:24:420:24:46

Lauren's confident about finding work down under, but worries for Lee.

0:24:460:24:50

With Lee's particular occupation, it really is unknown territory.

0:24:500:24:56

For me to have to take this and start all over again in Australia,

0:24:560:25:01

it's not something I want to even contemplate at the moment.

0:25:010:25:05

If he doesn't find suitable work

0:25:050:25:07

then he will absolutely not be on board for wanting to make the move.

0:25:070:25:13

There's a huge amount riding on today if Lauren's ever to achieve

0:25:150:25:19

the dream life she wants for her family.

0:25:190:25:21

To check out job opportunities for the couple,

0:25:210:25:24

first up we've arranged for Lauren to visit Joondalup health campus,

0:25:240:25:28

where's she's met by expat midwife Michelle.

0:25:280:25:30

-Hello.

-Hi Lauren, I'm Michelle, one of the midwives here.

0:25:300:25:33

-Welcome to Australia.

-Thank you.

0:25:330:25:35

So, this is our ante and postnatal ward.

0:25:350:25:37

-OK.

-We've got 30 beds here.

0:25:370:25:39

Working with the NHS,

0:25:390:25:41

a move could see Lauren transferring to the private sector down under,

0:25:410:25:44

something Michelle's got experience of.

0:25:440:25:47

I moved over from the public system into here, I've had no regrets.

0:25:470:25:52

Any problems at all, you go straight to the consultants,

0:25:520:25:55

we don't have any junior doctors here.

0:25:550:25:57

So, it does seem to be quite different from the UK, then.

0:25:570:26:00

It is.

0:26:000:26:01

But not in a negative way.

0:26:020:26:04

Sounds encouraging.

0:26:040:26:05

Meanwhile, Lee meets up with expat Kevin, who owns a flooring business.

0:26:050:26:10

-Hi, mate, how are you?

-Hi there.

-Kevin.

-Lee.

-Nice to meet you.

0:26:100:26:13

Lee's anxious to know if his skills are in demand in Perth.

0:26:130:26:17

We've been doing floors here for nearly 11 years.

0:26:170:26:19

There's so many new houses getting built all the time that it gets that

0:26:190:26:23

busy that most companies can't handle the work that they've got.

0:26:230:26:26

No shortage of work, then.

0:26:260:26:28

How would it work for somebody like me coming out on my wife's visa,

0:26:280:26:31

just branch out on my own?

0:26:310:26:32

Most of the businesses in Perth that do floors actually subcontract the works out.

0:26:320:26:38

That's exactly how Lee works in the UK.

0:26:380:26:40

But what if he needed a kick-start in the industry down under?

0:26:400:26:43

If you've just arrived from the UK and, you know,

0:26:430:26:47

you don't know the market or you don't know enough people,

0:26:470:26:49

there is people like myself.

0:26:490:26:51

There would be the option available to you to take full-time employment.

0:26:510:26:54

That's Lee reassured.

0:26:540:26:56

Back at the hospital, Michelle and Lauren discuss working hours.

0:26:560:27:00

There's an early, a late and a night shift.

0:27:000:27:02

Earlies are 7am to 2.30pm,

0:27:020:27:05

late shifts are 2pm till 9.30pm

0:27:050:27:07

and the night shift is 9pm till 7.30am the next morning.

0:27:070:27:10

That's four and a half hours less than the shift pattern Lauren currently works.

0:27:100:27:14

It does sound that that work/life balance here in Australia is definitely more achievable.

0:27:140:27:20

So, Lauren could get more family time. What about Lee?

0:27:200:27:24

I'll kind of tend to work maybe six days a week

0:27:240:27:27

and anywhere from sort of ten to 14 hours a day.

0:27:270:27:30

What are your kind of working hours?

0:27:300:27:32

On average, eight hour day, three o'clock sort of thing.

0:27:320:27:35

-Eight hours?

-Yeah, yeah.

-Right. Good.

0:27:350:27:39

If it's a Friday, probably finish at 12pm.

0:27:390:27:41

-But it's, truthfully, truthfully, truthfully.

-Nice one.

0:27:410:27:46

Lee can't quite believe what he's hearing.

0:27:460:27:48

That's why we're here. You know,

0:27:480:27:50

you don't want to be working 12 hours a day,

0:27:500:27:52

-six days a week if you can avoid it, especially if you've got a young family.

-Yeah.

0:27:520:27:55

So both Lee and Lauren could enjoy more time with the children

0:27:550:27:59

in Australia, but they still need to talk salaries.

0:27:590:28:03

You'd come in as a level one nurse midwife and that equates to around

0:28:030:28:08

68,000 a year before any accruement or any extra shift penalties.

0:28:080:28:15

At £36,000, that's almost 10,000 more than Lauren currently brings home.

0:28:150:28:20

Wow, that sounds really impressive,

0:28:200:28:22

that's considerably more than what I'm on in the UK.

0:28:220:28:25

Great news for Lauren.

0:28:250:28:27

But Lee will have to up his earnings, too,

0:28:270:28:29

if he's to contemplate a change.

0:28:290:28:32

Five-day week where you're working every day, you've got a job every day,

0:28:320:28:35

you'd be looking at about 100,000 Australian dollars annually,

0:28:350:28:38

so maybe in pounds, you know, I think it's about £50,000 or something,

0:28:380:28:42

-close to that.

-Yeah, brilliant.

0:28:420:28:44

That's an increase of approximately £15,000 a year.

0:28:440:28:48

More money for less hours is music to Lee's ears.

0:28:480:28:51

Just really good news, it's just kind of blown me away a bit, really.

0:28:510:28:54

Everything's great. Yeah, can't wait to tell Lauren.

0:28:540:28:57

Will her prospects be as good?

0:28:570:28:59

We're actually at the moment recruiting and I think internationally

0:28:590:29:03

there's a shortage of midwives.

0:29:030:29:06

That's great, so there's a demand for my job here?

0:29:060:29:08

There is, absolutely.

0:29:080:29:09

We've got a large proportion of overseas,

0:29:090:29:12

British midwives and nurses that work in here.

0:29:120:29:15

That sounds perfect, thank you so much.

0:29:150:29:18

When they meet up,

0:29:180:29:19

Lauren's anxious to find out what kind of day Lee's had.

0:29:190:29:23

Come on, put me out of my misery, what happened with you?

0:29:230:29:25

I've been thinking about you all day.

0:29:250:29:27

Right, with the skills that I've got I would definitely find work.

0:29:270:29:32

The money side of it, kind of looking at about 100,000.

0:29:320:29:36

-A year?!

-A year.

-That's amazing!

0:29:360:29:39

I think it's made me feel a whole lot better that,

0:29:390:29:42

you know, that everything could...

0:29:420:29:44

fall into place for us.

0:29:440:29:46

No prizes for guessing how this vote might go.

0:29:460:29:49

Based on what we've heard today about the jobs, our vote goes to...

0:29:490:29:53

-BOTH:

-Australia!

0:30:000:30:02

Everything that I've heard today has just ticked every box.

0:30:020:30:06

It's a bit of a no-brainer.

0:30:060:30:07

We can have a family life and still have a good living as well.

0:30:070:30:12

A united vote for Australia has breathed new life

0:30:180:30:21

into Lauren's dream of moving down under.

0:30:210:30:24

Longing for more quality time with her husband and children,

0:30:240:30:28

she's now hopeful the chance to explore the country's lifestyle options

0:30:280:30:32

will help keep her and Lee moving in the right direction.

0:30:320:30:36

The family are spending their day at an open farm.

0:30:360:30:39

Noah's got a question for Mum.

0:30:390:30:41

Mummy, imagine if there's a lion.

0:30:410:30:44

Well, there's not, you're not going to have a lion at a cuddly animal farm, are you?

0:30:440:30:48

Once inside, Lulu gets into the swing of things.

0:30:480:30:51

I guess that this is how baby goats cry.

0:30:510:30:55

SHE BLEATS

0:30:550:30:56

Do you think so? Yeah.

0:30:560:30:59

After a quick tour, it's time to get hands-on.

0:30:590:31:02

-Hello.

-No, put it on your hand like this, watch.

0:31:020:31:04

There you go.

0:31:050:31:09

That bunny's just railroading everybody out of the way.

0:31:110:31:14

Days like this are few and far between back home.

0:31:140:31:17

I don't get to see half of this type of thing, you know,

0:31:170:31:21

it's normally Lauren taking the kids.

0:31:210:31:23

It's just perfect for me to spend a bit of time with them.

0:31:230:31:27

Next up, it's time for some guzzling goats.

0:31:270:31:30

They all went a bit mental then, didn't they? Oh, quick, pick up your bottle. No, no!

0:31:340:31:38

Look at all the milky froth round their chops.

0:31:380:31:41

Just like driving a car off a cliff.

0:31:410:31:45

The goat was being very greedy.

0:31:450:31:47

I liked it a bit but it kept on nearly head-butting me.

0:31:470:31:50

-Was it a good day out, Lulu?

-Yeah.

0:31:500:31:53

Lauren's hoping today will help win Lee round.

0:31:530:31:56

I think days like today when Lee can see how lovely it can be when the

0:31:570:32:01

whole family's together and we can enjoy spending time as a family and enjoying the kids,

0:32:010:32:06

it does help bring us a step closer to obviously helping to convince Lee

0:32:060:32:11

that the move to Australia would only be a positive thing.

0:32:110:32:13

So, when it comes to lifestyle, will it be home or away?

0:32:130:32:17

Based on today's family activities,

0:32:170:32:19

we're going to vote for...

0:32:190:32:21

-Australia.

-Australia.

0:32:320:32:34

Noah, why did you vote for UK?

0:32:350:32:37

-Australia!

-LAUGHTER

0:32:390:32:42

Everything's just been great today.

0:32:420:32:44

Spending time with the kids, just going out as a family,

0:32:440:32:47

these are the sort of things we don't get to do in the UK.

0:32:470:32:50

With a clean sweep for the Aussie lifestyle,

0:32:560:32:58

Lauren's dream's well on course,

0:32:580:33:00

but for life down under to become a reality,

0:33:000:33:03

the figures will have to add up, and getting the right price for their UK

0:33:030:33:07

home could be make or break.

0:33:070:33:09

The couple think their house is worth around £150,000.

0:33:090:33:13

We sent two local estate agents round to give their professional valuations.

0:33:130:33:18

-It's our house.

-That's our house.

0:33:200:33:22

It's a delightful family kitchen.

0:33:260:33:28

I do like this room, it's a really impressive,

0:33:300:33:33

modern-looking room with nice brick features there.

0:33:330:33:37

-LEE:

-It looks nice, doesn't it? Nice and tidy.

0:33:370:33:39

So, this is the master bedroom.

0:33:410:33:42

As you can see, there's a nice feature wall there and there's a good use

0:33:420:33:46

of the space there with the wardrobe.

0:33:460:33:49

It's making me miss it a little bit.

0:33:490:33:51

-Is it?

-Yeah.

0:33:510:33:52

In today's market I would value this property at £125,000.

0:33:520:33:57

For a quick sale, I would put it on the market for £120,000.

0:33:570:34:02

-125.

-That's low.

0:34:020:34:04

In today's market, I would value this property at £130,000.

0:34:040:34:09

For a quick sale, we would put it up at £115,000.

0:34:090:34:13

I'm quite disappointed with those valuations.

0:34:130:34:15

I thought it would be worth more.

0:34:150:34:18

We'll just have to see what other money we can scrape together.

0:34:180:34:23

With the estimations lower than they'd hoped for,

0:34:230:34:26

finances will be key if they're to make a move.

0:34:260:34:28

This is what it all comes down to, isn't it?

0:34:300:34:32

Cos if these don't work out then that could be quite possibly game over.

0:34:320:34:37

We've prepared a comparison of expenses to help them work out the

0:34:370:34:41

difference between the cost of living in Perth and the UK.

0:34:410:34:44

First up, the weekly food shop.

0:34:440:34:46

Chicken breast fillets.

0:34:460:34:48

-That's 50.

-£10 in the UK, £9.50 in Australia.

0:34:480:34:54

OK. Milk.

0:34:540:34:56

12 pints, £4.50 in the UK.

0:34:570:35:01

Oh, look, it's only £1 in Australia.

0:35:010:35:04

-That's a lot cheaper, then, isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:35:040:35:06

So, that's £7.56 per week.

0:35:060:35:11

-More expensive.

-More expensive.

0:35:110:35:12

So, overall, monthly...

0:35:120:35:14

..we're out of pocket by £32.76.

0:35:150:35:20

That's not too bad.

0:35:200:35:22

The monthly food bill might not have a drastic effect on the purse strings,

0:35:220:35:25

but what about the other costs of living down under?

0:35:250:35:28

The couple base their calculations on the dream property they saw.

0:35:280:35:32

Back in the UK, they have a small mortgage.

0:35:320:35:35

In Australia, it would be almost triple.

0:35:350:35:37

So, it goes from £380 a month to 974.

0:35:370:35:42

-That's a massive amount.

-Yeah.

-But the electricity's cheaper.

0:35:420:35:45

-Yeah, it is, yeah.

-I reckon it's because of the solar panels,

0:35:450:35:48

-they must be able to...

-Well, yeah, yeah.

0:35:480:35:50

..extract a bit of extra energy there.

0:35:500:35:52

So, adding everything up,

0:35:520:35:54

would the couple be worse or better off in Australia?

0:35:540:35:57

That gives us £760.44.

0:35:580:36:03

-More expensive...

-More expensive.

-..in Australia.

0:36:040:36:07

That's a huge increase per month.

0:36:070:36:10

Ouch!

0:36:100:36:11

The figures are daunting.

0:36:110:36:13

Having known hard times before,

0:36:130:36:15

it's not an experience the couple wish to repeat.

0:36:150:36:18

But, both Lee and Lauren could earn more in Australia.

0:36:180:36:22

£1,052.07 better off...

0:36:220:36:28

-A month.

-That we're earning. Yeah.

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That's an impressive increase to their monthly income.

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So, where does that leave them?

0:36:340:36:37

So, we're better off by £291.63 per month,

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-based on property three.

-Property number three.

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That's approximately £3,500 better off per year down under.

0:36:480:36:51

So, how does that make you feel?

0:36:510:36:54

Just means that we can afford to live here in the dream home.

0:36:540:37:00

A really nice house.

0:37:000:37:01

Dream house and dream lifestyle - it could be another no-brainer.

0:37:010:37:05

Based on today's financial information, our vote goes to...

0:37:050:37:09

-Australia!

-Australia!

0:37:180:37:20

I think overall, it's... it's going to be Australia all the way.

0:37:220:37:27

Mmm. I think you're right. It's a win-win.

0:37:270:37:31

So, yeah, another tick in the box.

0:37:310:37:33

With Lee convinced Australia could give his family the financial security he craves,

0:37:400:37:45

Lauren's almost home and dry with her mission to move.

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But, there's one final hurdle to overcome.

0:37:480:37:52

Lee's made it clear he would struggle with breaking strong ties at home.

0:37:520:37:56

While Lulu and Noah spend time with a childminder,

0:37:560:37:59

the couple sit down to watch messages from home.

0:37:590:38:03

This is the bit that I've been dreading the most, so...

0:38:030:38:06

I think we should...

0:38:090:38:11

get this out of the way as quick as poss.

0:38:110:38:12

-Hi, Lee.

-Hi, Lee and Lauren.

0:38:150:38:18

Hi, Lee, hi, Lauren.

0:38:180:38:19

Hi.

0:38:190:38:20

-Hi.

-Hi, guys, hope you're having a good time down there.

0:38:200:38:24

Lee's a really patient guy.

0:38:240:38:26

He's always been very, very thoughtful.

0:38:290:38:31

Lauren is...

0:38:310:38:33

I would say she would describe herself as high maintenance.

0:38:330:38:37

True story.

0:38:370:38:40

Lauren and Lee are a really good couple.

0:38:400:38:42

They're really supportive of each other.

0:38:420:38:44

It will be strange, especially because

0:38:440:38:46

Lee's always put my carpets down for me.

0:38:460:38:49

I'll miss that. All our family he has, you know,

0:38:490:38:52

that'll be a big wrench for me now having to go somewhere and pay

0:38:520:38:55

full price for carpets!

0:38:550:38:57

Oh, Joan!

0:39:000:39:02

I do, I do love to be with the kids.

0:39:020:39:06

They are very, very precious to me.

0:39:060:39:09

Always have been and always will be.

0:39:090:39:11

You know, they'll be missed,

0:39:110:39:13

especially on birthdays and, like Christmas times

0:39:130:39:16

and things like that,

0:39:160:39:17

it'll be hard not having him around the house.

0:39:170:39:20

They've been good friends over the last ten, 15 years particularly.

0:39:200:39:25

I would wish them well and hope that they're very happy there.

0:39:250:39:28

It won't be the same round here without you, definitely not,

0:39:280:39:31

we all know that.

0:39:310:39:33

We just want you to know we'd miss you lots, miss the kids,

0:39:330:39:37

more than anything growing up.

0:39:370:39:40

Wish you all the luck in the world

0:39:400:39:42

and have a fantastic life if you do decide to go.

0:39:420:39:45

I hope the decision you make is the right one.

0:39:450:39:47

I'm sure everyone'll be happy for you whichever decision you make.

0:39:480:39:51

I'll always miss them.

0:39:510:39:53

I just...

0:39:530:39:55

You know, it's upsetting, really.

0:39:550:39:57

Erm...

0:39:570:39:59

God, that was really hard.

0:40:090:40:10

I didn't think your mum and dad were going to get that upset.

0:40:100:40:13

No. Well... I kind of expected it from my dad but not from my mum.

0:40:130:40:18

I think it just...

0:40:180:40:20

hits home what you are going to be leaving.

0:40:200:40:23

Emotionally, there's a lot.

0:40:230:40:24

Messages from friends and family provided Lauren and Lee

0:40:300:40:34

with a heartfelt reminder of what they'd be giving up

0:40:340:40:37

if they make the move.

0:40:370:40:39

So, having had the chance to weigh up everything they'd gain against

0:40:390:40:42

the emotional cost of leaving,

0:40:420:40:44

will Lauren still feel the family's future lies on the other side of the world?

0:40:440:40:49

I'd made up my mind and that was that,

0:40:540:40:57

but I think seeing those videos

0:40:570:40:59

reminded me of what we're going to miss back at home.

0:40:590:41:02

It's kind of hit home, really, how much it's going to affect,

0:41:020:41:05

both my mum and dad.

0:41:050:41:07

It's hard to know which way to go.

0:41:080:41:11

Having slowly won him over,

0:41:110:41:12

Lauren's now worried leaving loved ones could be a step too far for Lee.

0:41:120:41:17

I think the biggest wrench is the emotional one.

0:41:170:41:20

I think that's something that he really would struggle with.

0:41:210:41:25

I mean, even now, still every five minutes,

0:41:250:41:28

I still keep sort of changing my mind.

0:41:280:41:31

Lauren's more convinced than ever,

0:41:310:41:34

but if Lee falters at the final hurdle,

0:41:340:41:36

she knows her dream could come to nothing.

0:41:360:41:39

I'm just hoping that he's...

0:41:390:41:41

He's completely on board and that he is coming round

0:41:410:41:44

to my way of thinking,

0:41:440:41:45

that it's the best possible move for us and the children.

0:41:450:41:48

It's time to decide where the Ramoths will spend the rest of their lives.

0:41:490:41:53

-ALL:

-Australia!

0:42:090:42:12

-Did we all vote for Australia?

-We all voted Australia.

0:42:120:42:15

Yay!

0:42:150:42:17

Doing things like this on the beach, spending time with the family,

0:42:180:42:22

if we could have days like this on a regular basis then yeah, why not? Let's do it.

0:42:220:42:27

I'm just really, really happy that everybody else in the family

0:42:270:42:30

is now seeing what I've seen for a long time

0:42:300:42:33

and you've finally got on board with this decision.

0:42:330:42:35

Yeah, you were right.

0:42:350:42:37

Sorry, what was that?

0:42:370:42:39

-You were right.

-THEY LAUGH

0:42:390:42:42

Their time in Perth has been enough to rekindle Lee's ten-year-old dream of a life in Australia,

0:42:490:42:57

securing Lauren the future she wants for her family.

0:42:570:43:01

Hopefully it won't be too long before Lee, Lauren,

0:43:010:43:04

Noah and Lulu are packing up and en route to their new life down under.

0:43:040:43:09

And fingers crossed, they'll enjoy plenty of visitors from the UK when they get there.

0:43:090:43:15

Lee once dreamed of a better life in Australia, but his wife Lauren was more than happy in the UK. However, ten years on and the roles have been reversed - Lauren can see the potential for a move down under, but Lee has a successful business in UK and is worried about separating their children from their grandparents.

A trial week in Perth gives Lauren and Lee an insight into the reality of living in Australia.