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The Kelly family want a new life in New Zealand.

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We really do need to think about doing it now

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before everything becomes just a bit too much,

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I think, to take on.

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Taking life a little bit slower and having a little bit more fun.

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And they've got the money to afford it.

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-Look at the view, Josh!

-I can really see ourselves living here.

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I wouldn't buy this house. I'm not taken by it.

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-You've got your dishwasher!

-HE LAUGHS

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You're my dishwasher, that's fine!

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But with a loving family back home willing them to stay...

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I can't lie to them and say I'm happy.

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I don't want them to go, you know?

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That's it... That's the way it is and it's just...

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You've just got to live with it, haven't you?

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To let them go and have their own lives and be happy.

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This could be a battle of heart versus head.

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If we moved over here and I started a business,

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it certainly looks promising.

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Really disappointing, yeah.

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Voted one of the best places in the world to bring up a family,

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it's not hard to understand why almost 9,000 UK residents

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make the move to New Zealand every year.

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Add to that its outstanding natural beauty and temperate climate

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and it's no wonder it's such a desirable destination

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for those seeking a better life.

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The Kelly family from Aberdeen love the outdoor life

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they have in the Scottish Granite City

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and now wonder whether New Zealand could offer such

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a lifestyle all year round.

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Across one week, they'll get to see the sort of life they could lead

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and afford if they relocated down under,

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before voting on whether to make the move.

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The Kellys' journey to New Zealand has taken three flights

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and almost as many days in the air.

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We left on Sunday. It's now Tuesday?

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-Tuesday.

-We've somehow lost 30-something hours,

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but the kids were brilliant.

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It's never easy travelling that far, but...

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Long, but happy to be here.

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Both Hollie and Gilan have made the trip before,

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but this time it's very different.

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The last time we were in New Zealand it was just the two of us,

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no children, no baggage.

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I think there was probably a bit of nerves as we flew in,

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seeing all these houses and looking at them very differently to the last

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few times we've flown into New Zealand, as well.

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We both see ourselves living here

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and I suppose it's nerve-racking because

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if we really like it, it might mean uprooting,

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which is the nerve-racking part, the scary part,

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but it's also very exciting.

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Yeah, just really excited to see what the week holds.

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The family set off on a journey which could decide on which side of

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the world their future lies.

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Meet the Kellys.

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They are dad Gilan, mum Hollie and children Harris,

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Joshua and much-loved family pet Honey.

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On the face of it, they want for nothing at all -

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a nice big house, a successful outdoor adventure business

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-and an especially loving extended family.

-We do have a good life.

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100%. We've a great life.

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Fantastic kids, great house, nice area, really successful businesses.

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Now in their late 20s, however,

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they're asking themselves whether they're living to work or working to live.

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We've both thought about New Zealand considerably

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for a number of years.

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It's not something that's just crept up suddenly.

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It's always been in the back of our minds that maybe one day

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we would have a better work-life balance so we can spend a little

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more time with each other and the kids.

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I think we're probably victims of our own success a bit

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in that we've just, over the last five years,

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taken more and more and more on and, before we know it,

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we're now at this point where it's completely unsustainable

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if we want to actually spend time with the children

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and grow the businesses. That can't happen.

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Taking life a little bit slower and having a little bit more fun.

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Together, they've decided that New Zealand could be the answer.

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We do lots of things with the kids.

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99% of the time it's outside.

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Being able to kind of have the flexibility to be spontaneous

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and go out and go to the beach when it's nice weather

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and have that flexibility, that's a really big draw, isn't it?

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Yeah, huge. With New Zealand, well, with the climate the way it is,

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you get seasons, which is fantastic.

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We love the idea of having a harsh winter along with a lovely summer,

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whereas you never know in Scotland what you're going to get, you know?

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It could be just rain every day of the week for six months.

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-12 months of grey.

-Yeah, absolutely.

-Yeah.

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But with the children reaching a crucial age

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and baby three on the way, time is of the essence.

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Now is the right time I think for us, because you know,

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the kids are starting to grow up.

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I'd be really concerned about leaving it ten years and then having

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children who are really embedded in the community

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and have lots of friends and play in the teams

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and whatever else they get up to.

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I think with baby number three, as well,

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it's only going to get more difficult,

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so we really do need to think about doing it now before everything

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becomes just a bit too much, I think, to take on.

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So what is holding them back?

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Well, family of course.

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In particular, Gilan's dad, who he has recently got back in touch with.

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In the last couple of years I've just recently got back in touch

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with my dad, so, no, it's been really nice rekindling

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that relationship that was never really there from a younger age.

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That worries me a little bit,

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that maybe he doesn't realise quite what he could be missing out on

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because he hasn't had it, so he doesn't necessarily attach the same

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-value to it, so...

-The realisation now that, you know,

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it's potentially going to happen could just be hitting home.

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With Hollie, meanwhile, with her only brother already emigrated,

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it's Mum who'd be left behind.

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She brought the both of us up as a single parent,

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so I have a really close relationship to her

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and so do our kids, as well.

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So it would be really, really difficult

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leaving her and feeling like we'd both kind of abandoned her

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to the other side of the world.

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It's causing us to, I think,

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maybe pause a bit more than we had ever thought we would, actually.

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What's certain is that in the trial week ahead,

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they'll both have to like what they see to make the move.

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-Maybe.

-I can't see either one of us forcing the other to go for it.

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Do you know, that's really funny?

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-I was going to say the opposite!

-You were going to say the opposite?

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I was going to say, but for the same reasons,

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-I was going to say we are really supportive of each other.

-Yeah.

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And, actually, like, if you really wanted to do it and I was

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on the fence, I would do it anyway.

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Like, what's the worst that can happen?

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We're just going to go there and actually decide that I was right all

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-along and come home.

-Yeah, the worst thing that could

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happen is that I was wrong and then that's bad.

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The Kellys are spending their week in Karori.

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It may be one of Wellington's oldest suburbs.

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And, as they unpack, they get the chance to talk about their first

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impressions of the area they'll be spending their week.

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The drive up here was really pretty, really breathtaking.

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The house itself probably isn't very practical,

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it's not what we would look for in a family home.

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Different levels, I think that would be a problem for us with the kids,

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but, again, the views and where it's located are just gorgeous.

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Really, really nice.

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And it seems they've come prepared.

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We've done our research, obviously,

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and had a look around the area around Wellington,

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know where all the schools are and all the good suburbs, so, yeah,

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it will be really interesting to see if we view anything

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relevant to what I think we should be looking at.

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-I'm looking forward to it.

-Yeah.

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Yeah, I'm really looking forward, yeah.

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I don't think we're hard to please. We don't have a massive list.

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It's just that there are some non-negotiables,

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which are outside space and a family

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friendly inner suburb that has a good school. That's it.

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The week ahead will have to deliver if the couple's dream

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of a fresh start down under is to become a reality.

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Back in the UK, the Kellys currently have the best of both worlds.

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So we live in a small, kind of rural village just now,

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not too far from the city and that's

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definitely something that's important

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if we made the move to New Zealand.

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Having recently sold their family home, they are currently,

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and very happily, renting.

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The house that we're in is absolutely fantastic.

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-Yeah, it's really nice.

-Lots of space, just exactly what we need.

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I like the rural feel.

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We like having the space.

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Yeah, a great family home, so that's something that we

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definitely would look to emulate when we're

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out in New Zealand. We need a decent number of rooms as well, actually,

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because, obviously, moving away, we need the ability

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to have family come and stay.

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And while size definitely matters for them, they're not too fussy.

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Really neither of us get the big fuss about, "Oh, my goodness,

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"look at the decor or look at those floors."

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We're not bothered at all by

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-the walk-in wardrobes or...

-His and her sinks.

-..his and hers sinks

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or any of that kind of rubbish.

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But one thing is essential - for Gilan at least.

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Yeah, oh!

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-Yeah.

-Absolutely, yeah.

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A garage, yeah, that's it.

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And their budget for all this?

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A budget of round about £400,000, but you never know,

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we could go above if we find our dream home.

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-Yeah.

-And just change the way, juggle the way that we do things.

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Hm-hm.

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To find out what this might get them on the Wellington property market,

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we'll show them three houses -

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two on budget and a third which could be their dream home.

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The search begins in the suburb of Whitby,

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just a 20-minute drive north of Wellington.

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With great schools and a strong community spirit,

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it's got that family-friendly feel they're after.

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But will this three-bedroom family home be fit for purpose?

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It's got a big driveway.

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Oh, this is perfect.

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Well, it's a thumbs up on first impressions.

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Lots of big family houses so that's nice.

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And really nice quiet street so that's really positive too.

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Definitely, the house looks really nice.

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Really big from the outside, so excited.

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Inside, meanwhile, continues to impress.

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Wow, look at this.

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Wow. This looks really big.

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Yes. Nice new carpets, quite like neutral.

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And the main family dining area seems to have the wow factor, too.

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Wow, this is nice, isn't it?

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Oh, wow. Look at the views, Josh.

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-Huge room, this is.

-Time to check out the kitchen.

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Let's have a look at this.

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Ooh, all integrated appliances as well, that's quite good.

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-Got your dishwasher.

-HE LAUGHS

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-You're my dishwasher!

-SHE LAUGHS

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What a cheek!

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There might even be room for a new addition to the family.

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-Who would use that door, Joshy?

-A pussycat.

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Yeah. Ooh.

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Well, so far so good seems to be the verdict.

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Until...

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What's here, Joshy?

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It's a bedroom.

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Master bedroom.

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Oh, with an en-suite.

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-Decoration is a bit interesting.

-THEY LAUGH

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Salmon pink.

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A bit dated, you'd want to change that I think.

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-Definitely.

-It's OK, I wouldn't buy this house.

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I'm not taken by it, it's not really doing anything for me.

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It's not for us. I don't think I'd buy it.

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Well, that went downhill quickly.

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Time to leave the children with a child-minder

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so Gilan and Hollie can take a closer look.

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But the bathroom doesn't improve things.

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-That's gone.

-THEY LAUGH

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-I couldn't agree more.

-It's pink.

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-I'm sure somebody would like a pink tiled bath but...

-Not us.

-..not me.

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-No.

-THEY LAUGH

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And the lack of space for visitors makes matters worse.

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I think it's a non-negotiable, isn't it?

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Having space for relatives to come and stay.

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If we're moving out here we need space for family and friends

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-to come and stay.

-At least there's

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something to put a smile on Gilan's face.

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-Good-sized garage.

-I'm not going to argue with the garage space,

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this is really good. This is exactly what a man needs.

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-I would never see you again.

-No, not at all. Absolutely.

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The garage space is perfect.

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But outside, well, it's just not what the Kellys want.

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Oh, it's not very private at all, look.

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-True.

-Yeah, really overlooked.

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-And not as big as it looks.

-No.

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I'd want something a bit bigger

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for the boys to run around and roll about on.

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Yeah, a little bit more privacy as well.

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This garden's a bit overlooked.

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Despite some pleasing elements, overall,

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this property has failed to live up to the Kellys' hopes for a Kiwi home.

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But if the asking price is under their £400,000 budget,

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will it make a difference?

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I definitely think it's at the lower end of our budget or just below.

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I think this house is probably on

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the market for about £375,000.

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£395,000.

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-OK, let's have a look. You can do it.

-OK.

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-£370,000.

-I think that's right where we thought it would be.

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It's definitely a good sign, given

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that it's less than our lower end of the budget, which is good.

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And way below the top end of the budget.

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And way below the top end of the budget.

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-On to property number two, I think.

-Cool.

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Not exactly the best of starts.

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Let's hope property number two can get things back on track.

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It's in Aotea, also just a short commute to Wellington.

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This suburb on the Kapiti Coast is fast becoming a place

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where work and home life balance come hand-in-hand.

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Boasting five bedrooms and three bathrooms,

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this modern family home should offer all the space the couple need.

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And even on the drive up, it is positive vibes.

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Big driveway. Room for a couple of cars.

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I'm really excited about this one.

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Much more positive feel about this one.

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-Yeah.

-Time to get inside.

-This is much nicer.

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At least it's not that pink, thank goodness!

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-I like this.

-It's nice open-plan.

-Oh, yes.

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This is exactly the type of space we're looking for.

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Yeah, much better. And modern, isn't it?

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Really clean.

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Yeah, really nice. Nice kitchen, really nice, light and airy.

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Really well decorated as well. Can really see ourselves living here.

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-You could just move straight in, couldn't you?

-Yeah.

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Looks like quite nice views as well. I think the views are going to be really nice upstairs.

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Absolutely, can't wait to see up there.

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On to the downstairs bedroom and Hollie is already thinking about

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converting it into something this

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business-minded pair definitely need.

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Oh, a nice, light room.

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-Really nice.

-It's screaming out to me, office, actually.

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Because it is tucked out of the way,

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but not so out of the way you couldn't hear the kids playing.

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That's true. Without seeing the rest of the house, actually,

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it kind of makes sense. You've got a nice view at the side there as well.

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As with best laid plans, however...

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-THEY LAUGH

-OK, no.

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Maybe this will be the office.

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Maybe this'll be the office, actually, yeah.

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Upstairs and the main bedroom seems to have exactly what a girl wants.

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Let's see. I'm guessing this is the master bedroom.

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-Yeah, definitely.

-A big wardrobe. There you go, that's you happy.

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Somewhere to hang up all your clothes.

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-Cool.

-This is nice, though.

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-Good to have an en-suite.

-Yeah, always good to have an en-suite.

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So, how are the rest of the family going to keep clean?

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Oh, this is nice.

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It's a family bathroom.

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Nice space. No bath, though.

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Well, it's big enough to be able to have a bath.

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Even if you have a bath with an over-shower, that will be fine.

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Everything you can ask for in a bathroom.

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-Apart from a bath.

-Apart from a bath.

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-THEY LAUGH

-Cool.

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With an ever-expanding family,

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this five bedroom property seems to have the sort of space

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the Kellys are looking for.

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But a quick detour into what they hope might be a spare bedroom,

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instead unveils a very disappointing view.

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Outside. I think, maybe, the neighbours look onto the garden.

0:16:480:16:52

That could be a bit of an issue.

0:16:520:16:53

The garden doesn't seem to be very big.

0:16:530:16:56

-It's tiny.

-Not as much as we'd expect.

0:16:560:16:58

So disappointing, though, isn't it?

0:16:580:16:59

Because the house is absolutely gorgeous.

0:16:590:17:01

-It's perfect.

-So it's got the indoor space they wanted, but falling short

0:17:010:17:06

on outdoor space for the children

0:17:060:17:08

has left the couple feeling disenchanted.

0:17:080:17:10

Really disappointing. Yeah.

0:17:100:17:12

Is it somewhere they could afford to live anyway?

0:17:130:17:16

Their budget is £400,000.

0:17:160:17:20

So compared to the first house, this one's got to be

0:17:200:17:23

substantially more expensive.

0:17:230:17:24

It's got to be a lot more expensive, definitely.

0:17:240:17:27

So I think this one's going to be more like 480, 490.

0:17:270:17:32

£490,000.

0:17:320:17:34

I think this house will be around about £470,000.

0:17:340:17:39

OK, let's find out.

0:17:390:17:40

Oh. So £420,000.

0:17:440:17:48

-Wow.

-I'm really shocked.

0:17:480:17:50

I'm quite surprised, absolutely.

0:17:500:17:53

-Much cheaper than both of us thought.

-Yeah.

0:17:530:17:57

Despite some positive reactions to this house,

0:17:590:18:02

the couple still haven't found what they're looking for

0:18:020:18:05

and there's just one property to go.

0:18:050:18:07

The final stop of the day is the coastal suburb of Parramatta -

0:18:070:18:12

an established neighbourhood with outstanding views alongside great

0:18:120:18:15

transport links and excellent schools,

0:18:150:18:18

it could prove the ideal location.

0:18:180:18:21

But will this four-bedroom family home

0:18:210:18:23

have the space both inside and out

0:18:230:18:25

the couple are desperate for?

0:18:250:18:27

-Steep driveway.

-HE LAUGHS

0:18:290:18:31

It might just be an uphill struggle

0:18:310:18:33

if Hollie's initial reactions are anything to go by.

0:18:330:18:37

I feel really bad. I'm not feeling this.

0:18:370:18:40

Really? I wanted, like, country space.

0:18:400:18:43

Let's hope things improve indoors.

0:18:430:18:46

-JOSH MUMBLES

-Look at the view.

0:18:460:18:48

Joshua, look at the view.

0:18:480:18:50

That's an incredibly nice view from a living room, isn't it, Josh?

0:18:500:18:53

I love the view.

0:18:530:18:55

Encouraging, but appearances can be deceptive.

0:18:550:18:59

If I'm being totally honest, I'm really disappointed.

0:18:590:19:02

I wanted to be out, I don't know,

0:19:020:19:04

out in the country a bit more, I think.

0:19:040:19:08

Gilan, on the other hand, seems more positive.

0:19:080:19:10

It's a nice view of the front and

0:19:100:19:12

there is a really nice view at the back.

0:19:120:19:14

You wouldn't mind washing the dishes at this sink.

0:19:140:19:16

THEY LAUGH

0:19:160:19:18

The main bedroom, meanwhile,

0:19:180:19:20

provides more of those incredible views.

0:19:200:19:22

It's really nice and big. I thought the views were good downstairs.

0:19:240:19:28

-HE LAUGHS

-Gorgeous. You can see right along the coast.

0:19:280:19:31

And a little balcony, look.

0:19:310:19:34

Wow.

0:19:340:19:36

Could Hollie be starting to come round?

0:19:360:19:39

This room alone is really gorgeous.

0:19:390:19:42

I think it's going to have a big price tag with it.

0:19:420:19:45

Mm, maybe.

0:19:450:19:47

The bathroom is...cosy.

0:19:470:19:50

It's quite a small bathroom for such a big house, isn't it?

0:19:500:19:55

There's not a lot of room to get them in and out of the bath and dry.

0:19:550:19:59

But it does have a bath. It's more than the last house had.

0:19:590:20:03

So, does this house have the sort of outside space the Kellys want?

0:20:050:20:10

-Look at the view, Josh.

-Can you see that?

0:20:100:20:12

It's not a small garden, it's not like a teeny, tiny garden.

0:20:140:20:17

It's just that...some of the properties we've seen online

0:20:170:20:21

before have had a lot more space than this.

0:20:210:20:24

All of which is producing seriously mixed feelings.

0:20:240:20:28

I think I'm feeling really torn after this house.

0:20:280:20:31

-Torn?

-Yes.

-It seems a bit of a waste having such a beautiful house

0:20:310:20:34

in a beautiful spot with, you know,

0:20:340:20:37

everybody looking in your kitchen window.

0:20:370:20:40

I'm pretty sure it's going to be top of our budget...if not above.

0:20:400:20:43

So, should we turn it over?

0:20:440:20:46

-Yeah, let's do it.

-The couple are

0:20:460:20:48

torn on this house, but if the price falls

0:20:480:20:51

on the right side of their £400,000 budget, could they be swayed?

0:20:510:20:55

Price is, £470,000.

0:20:570:21:02

-Oh.

-Oh.

-Still don't want to buy it.

0:21:020:21:06

I think, if anything, it just shows us that the house with the view and

0:21:080:21:12

the size of a house that's here is

0:21:120:21:15

sometimes a little bit cheaper than even back home.

0:21:150:21:18

-We know what we're looking for is definitely going to be attainable.

-Definitely.

0:21:180:21:22

Even though the price didn't put them off,

0:21:220:21:24

the couple are still holding out for the perfect outdoor space.

0:21:240:21:29

It's been a mixed bag of a day on the property friend.

0:21:290:21:33

House one was positively pink

0:21:330:21:35

and didn't have the visitors space Gilan and Hollie need.

0:21:350:21:39

And while the garage was generous, the garden was not what they wanted.

0:21:390:21:44

Modern styling in the spacious second home impressed

0:21:450:21:48

and although there was no bath

0:21:480:21:50

and the closeness of neighbours was a concern,

0:21:500:21:53

would a lower-than-expected price give pause for thought?

0:21:530:21:56

Thee views and garden of property three won Gilan over and the indoor

0:21:580:22:02

space impressed Hollie.

0:22:020:22:04

But were they won over by the location?

0:22:040:22:08

So based on everything they've seen, how will the couple vote

0:22:080:22:11

when it comes to choosing between property

0:22:110:22:14

in New Zealand and the UK?

0:22:140:22:16

Despite seeing the three houses,

0:22:170:22:19

I don't think any of them were really suitable for us today.

0:22:190:22:22

I do think the right property is out there for us

0:22:220:22:25

within our budget with the extra outside space.

0:22:250:22:29

We just haven't found it yet.

0:22:290:22:31

So based on that I guess we'll vote.

0:22:310:22:33

-BOTH:

-New Zealand.

0:22:410:22:43

I think we can definitely get a property we are looking for here.

0:22:430:22:46

-Yes. Within budget.

-Yeah, within budget.

0:22:460:22:48

We just need to look a little bit further out.

0:22:480:22:50

Still convinced they could eventually get their dream home

0:22:580:23:01

in New Zealand within budget,

0:23:010:23:03

the week has got off to a positive start.

0:23:030:23:06

But for a permanent move to become a reality,

0:23:060:23:09

securing well-paid work down under will be key.

0:23:090:23:12

Back in the UK, Gilan and Hollie run a paintball adventure business.

0:23:140:23:19

It's something Gilan is very proud of as he's built it from scratch.

0:23:190:23:23

We run a few different businesses, actually, just now in the UK.

0:23:230:23:27

One of those is an outdoor adventure activity site and over the last

0:23:270:23:30

couple of years we've also gotten into escape games.

0:23:300:23:33

So, essentially, locking people in a room filled with

0:23:330:23:36

puzzles and challenging them to try to and escape

0:23:360:23:39

with 60 minutes on the clock.

0:23:390:23:40

I think if we move to New Zealand we would look to leave our adventure

0:23:410:23:45

activity business here with a manager.

0:23:450:23:48

That would free up a lot of our time, allow us to spend more

0:23:480:23:51

time with the family.

0:23:510:23:54

And if we decided to open more businesses in New Zealand

0:23:540:23:57

then we could choose what we decided to do.

0:23:570:24:00

While Hollie has, in recent years,

0:24:000:24:02

taken a hands-on role with the business,

0:24:020:24:05

her training as an environmental consultant

0:24:050:24:07

is something she might like to pursue further.

0:24:070:24:10

Plan B would definitely focus on me going back into my career path and

0:24:100:24:15

probably supporting the family until we found a niche kind of business

0:24:150:24:19

model Gilan was comfortable starting.

0:24:190:24:21

Both feel, however, that New Zealand is the perfect place to follow their

0:24:210:24:25

-career dreams.

-Exciting, really exciting time and an interesting

0:24:250:24:29

potential change for us.

0:24:290:24:32

Completely different change for us.

0:24:320:24:33

Today, the couple set out to discover what opportunities might

0:24:350:24:39

exist for them in New Zealand.

0:24:390:24:41

First, Hollie meets Doctor Julie Hall from one of New Zealand's

0:24:410:24:45

leading natural resources companies.

0:24:450:24:47

So it's a pretty broad job market for environmental scientists.

0:24:470:24:51

We are very open and we have brought in a significant number of people

0:24:510:24:55

from overseas. So we have a very multinational workforce.

0:24:550:24:58

So far so good, but what about the money?

0:24:580:25:01

We'd be looking at somewhere,

0:25:010:25:03

65,000 to 70,000 New Zealand dollars.

0:25:030:25:05

So £36,000 to £40,000 a year for a full-time position.

0:25:050:25:10

That's really interesting to know, actually,

0:25:100:25:12

because that pretty much matches identically

0:25:120:25:14

to what I would expect to earn in the UK.

0:25:140:25:15

And now - the key question.

0:25:150:25:17

One thing that staff really appreciate here is flexibility.

0:25:170:25:22

So being able to start early, finish early,

0:25:220:25:24

balancing off dropping kids off, picking them up.

0:25:240:25:27

I think that's really important to people.

0:25:270:25:30

All sounds promising. But what about Gilan?

0:25:300:25:33

We've arranged for him to meet Rob Lawson who runs

0:25:330:25:36

a busy freight and warehousing business

0:25:360:25:38

covering the lower North Island.

0:25:380:25:40

Not only did he start the business from scratch,

0:25:400:25:42

but he did it after moving here from Scotland many years ago.

0:25:420:25:46

I wanted to start up myself and I thought,

0:25:460:25:49

I'll start up this scheme I'm doing now, the furniture removal.

0:25:490:25:53

I thought I'd do that for a few weeks, just part-time,

0:25:530:25:55

driving a bit in the van with me and a young lad helping me out.

0:25:550:25:58

And now I employ 23 people and have seven vehicles

0:25:580:26:02

and a warehouse, do a bit of storage and stuff like that.

0:26:020:26:05

It's just grown.

0:26:050:26:07

I didn't intend doing it more than six months and it's 26 years now.

0:26:070:26:10

A role model indeed, but what advice

0:26:100:26:13

can he give Gilan about acclimatising?

0:26:130:26:15

When you initially get here, it seems like it's just the same as the

0:26:150:26:19

UK, but there's a lot of subtle differences

0:26:190:26:21

that kind of creep up on you.

0:26:210:26:23

Even the mannerisms of the people,

0:26:230:26:25

the Kiwi outlook tends to be a bit more relaxed.

0:26:250:26:28

You kind of soak it up the longer you are here.

0:26:280:26:31

They're a pretty decent bunch of people.

0:26:310:26:33

And a nice society to work in.

0:26:330:26:37

If Gilan does make the move, he'd want to continue his adventure

0:26:370:26:40

business empire. So he's keen to know more about what sort of market

0:26:400:26:44

-he'll be entering.

-The Maori have a lot of say

0:26:440:26:49

in how you run things here, which is quite right, too.

0:26:490:26:52

-They were the indigenous people, they were first here.

-Of course.

0:26:520:26:56

It's of great interest to people who come from Europe or the States

0:26:560:26:59

or anywhere like that. It's a wonderful selling point,

0:26:590:27:02

it's certainly something you should embrace.

0:27:020:27:04

And can you get the staff?

0:27:040:27:06

Unemployment is very low in New Zealand at the moment.

0:27:060:27:08

So getting qualified staff in any particular skill

0:27:080:27:11

can be quite difficult.

0:27:110:27:13

It's very much a buyers market from an employee's perspective.

0:27:130:27:16

You might want to take that into account.

0:27:160:27:17

Here in New Zealand, people tend to spend a lot of time obviously

0:27:170:27:20

outdoors. Do you find there are any problems when it comes to asking

0:27:200:27:25

-staff to work at the weekends?

-Only in relation to sport.

0:27:250:27:28

A lot of these guys like to play rugby. Rugby is a huge thing here.

0:27:280:27:31

Yeah, the sport can sometimes,

0:27:310:27:34

sometimes interfere with your employment plans.

0:27:340:27:38

Yeah. He's a really interesting guy.

0:27:380:27:40

Obviously, he has a very successful business and

0:27:400:27:43

started himself from nothing and worked his way up.

0:27:430:27:46

So that in itself is quite encouraging.

0:27:460:27:48

Hearing from an expat has obviously helped, so time for Hollie

0:27:480:27:52

to meet one of her own. Jim Roberts works in the Fisheries Department.

0:27:520:27:57

I was just finishing up with a PhD at Imperial College in London and

0:27:570:28:02

someone told me there was a job going here at NIWA.

0:28:020:28:05

So I figured I'd be mad not to apply for it.

0:28:050:28:10

And it's just not environmental science they've got in common.

0:28:100:28:13

Jim also is about to be a parent.

0:28:130:28:16

I suppose what I really love about New Zealand is their connection with

0:28:160:28:19

the outdoors. With that connection to the nature and the environment is

0:28:190:28:22

really strong and it is an important part of the New Zealand identity.

0:28:220:28:26

But what about the practicalities?

0:28:260:28:28

My advice is, if you've got anything that's going to be difficult to deal

0:28:280:28:33

with when you're going for a residency visa

0:28:330:28:35

or something like that, grab as much paperwork as you can

0:28:350:28:38

before you go out of the door, because

0:28:380:28:39

-you're probably going to need it.

-SHE LAUGHS

0:28:390:28:42

Doesn't seem to be all that different between the UK

0:28:420:28:45

and New Zealand in terms of prospects for careers.

0:28:450:28:48

And wages are really, really similar as well.

0:28:480:28:51

Time now, however, for Hollie and Gilan to talk about their day.

0:28:510:28:55

-How was your day?

-Good, yeah.

0:28:550:28:57

-How was your morning?

-It was good, yeah.

0:28:570:28:59

Any surprises?

0:28:590:29:00

I'd like to say yes, but there weren't.

0:29:000:29:03

-That's good though.

-It's a good thing.

0:29:030:29:05

If we moved over here and I started a business,

0:29:050:29:07

it certainly looks promising.

0:29:070:29:09

My afternoon was pretty much the same, so no real surprises.

0:29:090:29:13

Prospect-wise, salary, all exactly as we'd sort of envisaged.

0:29:130:29:17

-That's really good.

-Yeah, no real surprises.

0:29:170:29:20

-Yeah. Shall we have a vote?

-Let's do it.

-Sounds great, come on.

0:29:200:29:23

-Let's go.

-I think I know which way this might go.

0:29:230:29:28

Based on what we've heard today, our vote goes to...

0:29:280:29:31

-New Zealand.

-Undecided.

0:29:370:29:39

Oh! A bit of a surprise from Hollie.

0:29:390:29:42

I feel quite confident in the business sector here.

0:29:420:29:46

So I voted undecided just because I

0:29:460:29:47

don't feel like I really learnt anything new today.

0:29:470:29:51

So after speaking to the gentleman today I strongly believe that

0:29:510:29:54

one of our businesses in particular would work very well here.

0:29:540:29:57

As they enter into the second half of their trial week,

0:30:000:30:04

it feels like there's some work to do if Gilan and Hollie are to be

0:30:040:30:08

convinced that a move to New Zealand is going to be worth it.

0:30:080:30:12

Will a day sampling the active outdoor lifestyle

0:30:120:30:15

they love so much help with their decision?

0:30:150:30:18

The Kellys are a self-professed outdoorsy family,

0:30:200:30:23

so what better way to spend the day than on a bike?

0:30:230:30:27

Electric style, that is.

0:30:270:30:29

Tour guide Ryan, leads the way.

0:30:300:30:33

The only way to travel.

0:30:360:30:39

As super dad flies along the cycle path, the family take in the sights.

0:30:390:30:43

Time to refuel after all that exercise.

0:30:470:30:50

I'm ready. Did you enjoy that? Yeah.

0:30:530:30:56

And there is a nice treat in store.

0:30:560:30:58

-Gilan's dad phones from Scotland.

-Hello. Is that Joshy?

0:30:580:31:02

-Is Joshy there?

-Yeah, Joshy, say hi.

-Hi.

0:31:020:31:06

HE MUMBLES

0:31:060:31:08

-You're having lunch?

-Mm-hm.

-I'm sat in front of the coal fire

0:31:080:31:11

crackling away just thinking about yous down there in New Zealand.

0:31:110:31:15

Have you learnt anything about moving over?

0:31:150:31:18

Yeah, it's been a good eye-opener.

0:31:180:31:20

We've been to see a good range of properties and the houses

0:31:200:31:24

we went to see weren't what we were looking for.

0:31:240:31:26

We'll make sure we send you lots of pictures.

0:31:260:31:28

I can't wake until you come back. I've missed you already.

0:31:280:31:34

I know, it's kind of weird like that, isn't it?

0:31:340:31:36

But I suppose it's the distance that does that, isn't it?

0:31:360:31:39

When you're just up the road you

0:31:390:31:40

think, "It's not a big deal, you can just nip up."

0:31:400:31:42

A bit further away you kind of think,

0:31:420:31:44

"I can't just go and nip up the road."

0:31:440:31:46

-Say love you lots to Grandpa George.

-Love you lots.

0:31:460:31:50

-Love you more! Love you more.

-No, you don't, I love you more.

0:31:500:31:54

I love you 100!

0:31:540:31:57

Aw, well that was nice.

0:31:580:32:01

So what are their thoughts halfway through the week?

0:32:010:32:04

So far, we've really enjoyed it.

0:32:050:32:07

The people here are really friendly, really nice.

0:32:070:32:10

When you are here and you are having nice family time,

0:32:100:32:12

we don't get much time off so any time off we do have

0:32:120:32:14

we do tend to try and spend it with friends and family.

0:32:140:32:17

So I guess it does make you reflect

0:32:170:32:18

that it would be nice to have them here.

0:32:180:32:20

Not having the rest of the family to come and enjoy days some days out,

0:32:200:32:23

but they'll be able to come and visit.

0:32:230:32:25

We'd be able to make the most of that time.

0:32:250:32:27

So based on today, will they vote

0:32:270:32:29

for lifestyle in New Zealand or the UK?

0:32:290:32:33

-BOTH:

-New Zealand.

0:32:450:32:47

So I voted for New Zealand because of days just like today,

0:32:490:32:52

we love getting out with the kids.

0:32:520:32:54

Weather-wise, we're going to have much more opportunities

0:32:540:32:57

to have days out like that with the kids. And that's really important.

0:32:570:33:00

It's nice just to be able to pick up and go. Create more opportunities

0:33:000:33:03

and hopefully get the boys out and

0:33:030:33:04

it's the things we like doing the most, so...

0:33:040:33:06

THEY LAUGH

0:33:060:33:09

With another vote for New Zealand,

0:33:190:33:21

a permanent move to the other side of the world

0:33:210:33:24

looks like it could become a reality for the Kelly family.

0:33:240:33:28

But only if the finances add up.

0:33:280:33:30

It's time to find out how the cost of living down under

0:33:300:33:34

-compares with the UK.

-It'll be super exciting seeing all the numbers, won't it?

0:33:340:33:38

I know. I'm not sure how it's going to go, but we'll see.

0:33:380:33:41

And they start with the weekly shop.

0:33:410:33:44

Anything that's in red is less expensive,

0:33:440:33:46

everything in black is more expensive.

0:33:460:33:49

-Cool.

-Porridge, onions, peas...

0:33:490:33:52

Basically, all the fruit.

0:33:520:33:54

Having a quick scan down.

0:33:540:33:57

There's only a few items that are less expensive.

0:33:570:34:01

Like, all the fresh fruit and veg and stuff -

0:34:010:34:03

all more expensive.

0:34:030:34:06

So, shall we add up all of these totals and see what it's going to be

0:34:060:34:09

-difference-wise?

-Do you want to do the calculations?

0:34:090:34:11

-Go for it.

-There you go.

-We will do this.

-556.

0:34:110:34:15

-Yes.

-225. 310. 254. 197.

0:34:150:34:21

254. 789.

0:34:210:34:25

-What was that for?

-Chicken breasts.

-OK.

0:34:250:34:28

That's quite a big difference.

0:34:280:34:29

So works out to be per month -

0:34:310:34:36

difference of about £101.40p.

0:34:360:34:40

Over a whole year, £1216.80p.

0:34:400:34:44

So bigger bills for food in New Zealand.

0:34:440:34:47

But what about the other costs?

0:34:470:34:49

Mortgage, pretty much the same.

0:34:490:34:53

Council tax, a pound difference.

0:34:530:34:56

So, negligible.

0:34:560:34:57

-Yes. Not much difference.

-Electricity is quite a bit cheaper.

0:34:570:35:01

-Quite a lot cheaper, actually.

-Half the cost.

0:35:010:35:03

Yep. Mobile phones are much more expensive, so, like...

0:35:030:35:05

-Oh, yeah, massively more expensive.

-Yeah, triple the price.

0:35:050:35:09

Yeah. Transport costs - a little bit cheaper here.

0:35:090:35:11

Car insurance and MOT, both cheaper here.

0:35:110:35:13

Home insurance, half the price. And children's nursery, oh, my gosh.

0:35:130:35:17

Children's nursery is massive, look at that!

0:35:170:35:20

So, £1,400 per month is what we

0:35:200:35:22

spend on the boys being in nursery for three days, roughly.

0:35:220:35:28

-And that would only be £600 here.

-That's just incredible.

0:35:280:35:31

-I can't believe that difference.

-We're getting ripped off!

-Yeah!

0:35:310:35:34

THEY LAUGH

0:35:340:35:36

You're not wrong!

0:35:360:35:38

So, total outgoings...

0:35:380:35:39

So, let's see what the difference is, then.

0:35:390:35:41

So, it's a difference of £1,419 per month

0:35:410:35:48

better off in New Zealand. That sounds crazy.

0:35:480:35:51

-I don't know how that's possible.

-It's just the childcare!

0:35:510:35:54

-It's the childcare!

-It actually is!

-Yeah.

0:35:540:35:58

-I wasn't expecting that.

-I wasn't expecting that at all.

0:35:580:36:01

Substantially lower childcare costs will help offset some of the higher

0:36:020:36:06

prices Hollie and Gilan expect to pay for the other bills.

0:36:060:36:10

So, how does it all add up?

0:36:100:36:11

So, per month, taking into account our salaries, our outgoings,

0:36:130:36:18

our big bills, our leisure, our food,

0:36:180:36:21

we would in New Zealand be better

0:36:210:36:24

off, to the tune of £1,298 per month.

0:36:240:36:28

-That's a massive figure.

-Yeah.

-And it just gets better.

0:36:280:36:33

Gilan would continue to draw an income from his UK businesses,

0:36:330:36:37

and if Hollie was to get a job, she'd be earning too.

0:36:370:36:40

So, where does that leave them overall?

0:36:400:36:43

I think it's hard not to be

0:36:430:36:44

satisfied with those kind of numbers. It's really, quite...

0:36:440:36:47

A lot more than... You know, the savings are a lot more than we

0:36:470:36:50

thought they would be. So, it's really reassuring.

0:36:500:36:54

A saving of over 12...well, £1,300 a month is massive.

0:36:540:36:58

That's, erm... Yeah, I don't know what we would do with that.

0:36:580:37:02

-Yeah, absolutely! Well, I do.

-Well, yeah, you would buy a boat.

0:37:020:37:05

-Yeah, probably!

-Yeah!

-THEY LAUGH

0:37:050:37:08

Yeah, at least we'd have plenty

0:37:080:37:10

of money to maybe look at a larger house that

0:37:100:37:12

could incorporate more grandparents visiting.

0:37:120:37:15

-Yeah, definitely.

-The favourable figures are opening up options.

0:37:150:37:19

But how will Gilan and Hollie balance their decision?

0:37:190:37:23

-BOTH:

-New Zealand.

0:37:250:37:27

I think just based on £1,300 a month,

0:37:270:37:29

that's such a huge amount of money to save.

0:37:290:37:31

Yeah, you just can't ignore the figures, really, can you?

0:37:310:37:34

It's an incredible amount of money.

0:37:340:37:36

While Joshua and Harris take a nap,

0:37:400:37:42

Hollie and Gilan sit down together

0:37:420:37:45

to watch a DVD from loved ones back home.

0:37:450:37:48

-So, are you ready?

-Ready as I'll ever be.

0:37:480:37:50

I'm not looking forward to seeing anybody upset.

0:37:500:37:53

Definitely not.

0:37:530:37:55

Hi, Gilan, Hollie, Joshua and Harris.

0:37:570:38:01

-Hi, Hollie.

-Hi, Josh!

0:38:010:38:04

As a family, they're brilliant. They're brilliant to their kids,

0:38:040:38:07

Josh and Harris are just so blessed to have them.

0:38:070:38:10

I see them together sometimes and I just think,

0:38:100:38:13

that's the way a family should be.

0:38:130:38:15

They just are a wee team, even the kids.

0:38:150:38:16

They're so, so together, it's fantastic.

0:38:160:38:21

And the two wee ones, well, they're just absolutely gorgeous.

0:38:210:38:24

Love them to bits!

0:38:240:38:25

Gilan's honest, hard-working,

0:38:250:38:28

a really straight down the middle guy,

0:38:280:38:30

you kind of know where you stand with him.

0:38:300:38:32

I've never seen him once come in when he's sad, angry.

0:38:320:38:36

He's always been happy, really sort of excited for the day to happen.

0:38:360:38:39

So, he's just a cracking lad.

0:38:390:38:41

Hollie's just the sort of friend that no matter what's going on in my

0:38:410:38:45

life, erm, I want her there with me.

0:38:450:38:48

She's just so supportive, and...

0:38:480:38:51

And yes, she's just really good fun as well.

0:38:510:38:53

-How much did they pay them?!

-THEY LAUGH

0:38:530:38:56

Josh and, er, Harris are two...

0:38:560:38:58

two lively characters, we love them dearly.

0:38:580:39:01

Because of the nature of Hollie and Gilan's busy schedule,

0:39:010:39:05

we see a lot of them, and...

0:39:050:39:06

-which is great.

-When they first told me about

0:39:060:39:10

the idea of going to New Zealand, it was a bit of a shock.

0:39:100:39:15

Because we were still in that process of still getting to know

0:39:150:39:18

each other, and especially with Harris coming along, the young one,

0:39:180:39:21

I don't want to lose my grandkids

0:39:210:39:23

when I've just started to get to know them.

0:39:230:39:26

-We'll miss that, too.

-Yeah, we'll definitely miss that.

0:39:260:39:29

-Josh will miss that.

-Yeah, definitely.

0:39:290:39:31

Perhaps more for the grandchildren,

0:39:310:39:33

the fact that they wouldn't all get together again.

0:39:330:39:35

But that's the way it is, and it's just...

0:39:350:39:37

You've just got to live with it, haven't you?

0:39:370:39:39

To let them go and have their own lives and be happy.

0:39:390:39:43

Yeah, we kind of hope you'll stay.

0:39:430:39:45

But if you do decide to go, it'll be...

0:39:450:39:47

it'll be really, really fun and we will visit.

0:39:470:39:49

-But we'll miss you lots.

-And I'll miss you so much.

0:39:490:39:54

I love you immensely. And, erm...

0:39:540:39:58

But I trust you immensely.

0:39:580:40:00

And I know that you'll do what's right for you guys as a family.

0:40:000:40:03

If we did move away, we would make the time for the family

0:40:040:40:07

and make sure that it would be part of our lives,

0:40:070:40:09

-to make sure that they were coming to visit or vice versa.

-Oh, yeah.

0:40:090:40:13

At the beginning of their trial week,

0:40:130:40:15

the Kellys wanted to know if New Zealand could match

0:40:150:40:19

and even better the sort of life

0:40:190:40:21

they had grown accustomed to in the UK.

0:40:210:40:24

As they approach the final vote,

0:40:240:40:26

we're about to discover if the Aberdeen couple

0:40:260:40:29

have decided do or don't to a move.

0:40:290:40:32

What would you do if you were them?

0:40:320:40:35

-OK!

-When the Kellys started out their week,

0:40:370:40:40

they wanted to see that New Zealand could offer them a place where they

0:40:400:40:43

could grow their business,

0:40:430:40:45

and offer them a better life with their young family.

0:40:450:40:48

And it's come up trumps on that.

0:40:480:40:51

The one thing that we don't get right in the UK is our balance,

0:40:510:40:54

the time with the kids and work.

0:40:540:40:56

Really important that that day worked - and it definitely did.

0:40:560:40:59

Just being here I think with the family has been great.

0:40:590:41:03

Sort of highlight of this week

0:41:030:41:04

so far is spending the day with the kids.

0:41:040:41:08

It also turns out that they can afford it - and some.

0:41:080:41:12

Moneywise, it would all stack up.

0:41:120:41:14

That was a really pleasantly positive surprise.

0:41:140:41:18

Having the financial burden off your shoulders, you know,

0:41:180:41:21

helps with the decision-making.

0:41:210:41:23

But they've discovered that this

0:41:230:41:25

move will affect more than just them.

0:41:250:41:28

A little bit upsetting hearing friends and family upset.

0:41:280:41:32

Especially, I suppose, on my dad's side.

0:41:320:41:34

I've obviously not known that side of the family for very long,

0:41:340:41:37

been out of touch for a very long time.

0:41:370:41:40

So, yeah, that will probably be hard,

0:41:400:41:42

knowing that we're potentially going to be moving away from that.

0:41:420:41:45

Never nice to see anybody that you care about getting upset or talk

0:41:450:41:48

about not wanting you to leave.

0:41:480:41:49

But at the end of the day, we'll still visit the UK if we move,

0:41:510:41:55

and they will most definitely visit here.

0:41:550:41:58

And as the final decision approaches,

0:41:580:42:00

it's all starting to become clear.

0:42:000:42:03

Very nearly decided.

0:42:030:42:05

I've got strong feelings about some things.

0:42:050:42:08

And there are other things which

0:42:080:42:10

I think need a little bit more investigating as well.

0:42:100:42:13

I'm quite set on where I'm going to go, yep.

0:42:130:42:16

And what if one of them says no?

0:42:160:42:19

No, he's not going to!

0:42:200:42:23

I don't think she is...

0:42:230:42:26

Erm... But who knows?

0:42:260:42:28

Well, then, only one way to find out.

0:42:280:42:31

-BOTH:

-New Zealand.

0:42:370:42:39

New Zealand to you, Joshy? Yeah!

0:42:410:42:44

At least answered a lot of our questions,

0:42:440:42:46

which gives me a lot of confidence, so overall, really happy.

0:42:460:42:49

I feel the same. I think it was a

0:42:490:42:51

-pretty easy choice, being New Zealand.

-Definitely.

0:42:510:42:55

So, Gilan and Hollie have weighed up the heartbreak of saying goodbye

0:42:560:43:01

to loved ones against the benefits of moving to New Zealand,

0:43:010:43:05

and decided that a new start for a family is best for them.

0:43:050:43:09

Wellington is to be the new home for themselves and their boys,

0:43:090:43:13

and we wish all four, soon-to-be five, the very best of luck.

0:43:130:43:17

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