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Rossindra longs to live on the other side of the world.

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I've wanted New Zealand for so long, and all the points in my life,

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the big decisions I've made,

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kind of was aiming towards how we would get me to New Zealand.

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But her very British husband, Chris,

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is a lot less passionate about the move.

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To be honest, I can't see our lifestyle being very different

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to what it is now.

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Their differences have put them under pressure.

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So, for me, it is crunch time.

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I just hope Chris realises this.

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My concern is that she's chasing after a life,

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lifestyle that maybe isn't there any more.

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A trial week in New Zealand sees expectations fulfilled...

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The house ticks all the boxes and extra.

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..preconceived ideas challenged...

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This is the house I would move halfway across the world for.

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..and commitment questioned.

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I've got a bit of cold feet.

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Yeah, I'll be honest, I'm a little bit afraid now.

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Stay in the UK or go down under?

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It's all to play for.

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Famous the world over for its scenic diversity,

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New Zealand boasts spectacular geographic backdrops,

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from beaches to rainforests and active volcanoes.

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And now, after decades of immigration,

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its population is as diverse as the landscape in the country often

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referred to as the Land of the Long White Cloud.

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Chris and Rossindra Atkins

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are a husband and wife with two very different personalities.

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She wants to throw caution to the wind and follow her wildest dreams.

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He believes that slow and steady wins the race.

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Across one week,

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they'll put their approaches head to head as they see the sort of life

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they could lead and afford if they relocated down under,

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before voting on where their future lies.

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After a marathon journey flying from London to Sydney, via Dubai,

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and then onto Wellington, the Atkins family arrive

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at their final destination in surprisingly fine fettle.

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Flight was good. Piece of cake.

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The last 20 plus hours have been really fun.

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The kids have enjoyed it.

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I watched some movies, I saw loads of different countries.

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Little Sarah isn't quite as impressed as Lucy, though.

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It was so boring that I had to wait all the time.

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Rossindra's delighted to be a step closer to her dream.

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It's held its magic since 2000, when I first came here.

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So I do hope I fall back in love with New Zealand.

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But Chris is not committed just yet.

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A little apprehensive about the job interviews,

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and seeing what opportunities there might be for us.

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And if I'm suitably impressed, then I will be voting for New Zealand.

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If I'm not, I may be unsure.

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For now, at least, Rossindra's positively buzzing.

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Can't wait to go, let the magic begin.

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Let's hope the sun shines,

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as the family will need to soak up

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as much as they can over the next seven days

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before deciding on which side of the world their future lies.

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The Atkins family are Dad Chris, Mum Rossindra,

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Lucy, aged five, and Sarah, who's four.

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They live in the town of Bracknell, in South East England.

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Ever since the couple got together six years ago,

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talk of New Zealand has been a constant,

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sometimes sensitive subject.

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Chris has known about my New Zealand dream since day one.

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Something she's been banging on about

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ever since I've known her, really.

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It's a passion that all started when Rossindra,

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from an Indian community in the Malay Peninsula,

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visited New Zealand 17 years ago.

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Rose's dream is bordering on an obsession.

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My concern is she is chasing after a life,

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a lifestyle that maybe isn't there any more.

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It looks like there's tough discussions ahead for the couple.

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Any discussion about kids, money, finances, where we live,

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I bring the New Zealand thing up.

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Because I feel like, "Why don't we give it a try?"

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I do worry that she can be a little bit impulsive.

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Perhaps I'm the sort of balance to that.

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And it's having two young daughters

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that is driving Rossindra to make the move.

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I've always thought, if I had kids,

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I'd like to bring them up in New Zealand.

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I've grown up in Malaysia, where you're outside most of the time.

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You come back from school and, boom, you're outside.

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Things are different over here.

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So, the answer for Rossindra is New Zealand.

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And the time to move is now.

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In a few years' time it will be harder to take the kids

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out of school and move them down.

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So, for me, it is crunch time.

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And I just hope Chris realises this.

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Does Mummy want one?

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Yeah, I think I do take her seriously.

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And I've said I will look at the whole proposition,

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and if it's viable, then we can give it a go.

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But it looks like Chris is wearing his sensible hat.

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To be honest, I can't see our lifestyle being very different

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to what it is now.

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I think she'll be surprised by the climate.

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The climate in New Zealand is very similar to how it is in the UK.

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So, Mum and Dad are on different pages.

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But are the girls singing from the same hymn sheet?

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I would miss my friends and all my teachers

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and all my classmates.

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I'm going to miss David.

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The children are bouncing and Rossindra

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is bursting with anticipation as the trial week approaches.

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-I hope the dream is still alive.

-It hasn't become a nightmare.

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And things are as magical as they used to be when I first saw them.

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For Chris, however, it's all about the practicalities.

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The main thing that's got to be right about New Zealand is the work.

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And getting the right opportunity for us to support the family.

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It's fair to say that, when it comes to the week ahead,

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the pressure is definitely on.

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I don't want to be here in Bracknell at 60 years of age,

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looking after my grandchild and thinking,

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sitting back and thinking, "Oh, geez,

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"I wonder what would have happened if we'd tried out New Zealand."

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I don't want that to happen.

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Of course, there is always one other outcome.

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What if I'm the one who's inspired I say, "Yeah, let's go,

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"let's go tomorrow,"

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and now you don't want to go because you've seen what

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-the weather's really like?

-I'm a bit scared of that.

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For their trial week, the Atkins are staying north-east

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of Wellington in the Upper Hutt region.

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By the time they arrive at their temporary accommodation,

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it's too late for tiny tots, so it's straight to bed.

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Next morning, wide-eyed and bushy tailed,

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the family take in their new surroundings.

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I drew the curtains and it's absolutely beautiful.

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We were struck by the scenery, really. It really is beautiful around here.

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Despite having only been in the country a few hours,

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Rossindra's already imagining what life could be like here.

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I love it, the kids love it.

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And I wish I could stay forever.

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But she also knows there's still a lot to consider.

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I feel there is pressure, I should deliver to Chris.

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I hope Chris is honest enough to tell me that he loves the place

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and that we hope to start our life here.

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I don't think I'm going to buckle in the face of such pressure.

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But it has been her dream for quite some time.

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And, hopefully, we can make it happen. And I'm hopeful.

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It's a positive start, but the country will have to deliver

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in the next seven days if Chris is to fully commit to a life

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on the other side of the world.

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Back in the UK, home for the Atkins

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is a three-bedroom semi in Bracknell.

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And it's fair to say they like where they live.

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The house we've got

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and the location we've got is a very good one.

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We're a few minutes' walk from the school.

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And Bracknell is awash with cycleways, byways and highways.

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You can get from one side of the town to the other

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without even walking on a road.

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So, what type of property are they after in New Zealand?

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Physically, a bigger house, because I'd like to have a dog or a cat.

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It would be nice to have a house

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with a more open sort of kitchen-diner area.

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You can cook and you can see the family,

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and you have space for actually a dining table in the kitchen area.

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That would be nice to see.

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They'll have a budget of £320,000 to play with,

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but Chris isn't looking for anything fancy.

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We're looking for a modest house, something like we've got now,

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with a little bit of green space.

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Space for the obligatory barbecue.

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We can just chill out, put some loungers out the back.

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I don't think we're after a show house.

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We're not really show-house people.

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To find out what kind of home their money could get them,

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we'll show the family three properties,

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two based on budget and a third which could be their dream home.

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The search begins in Upper Hutt.

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Surrounded by bush-clad mountains,

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the township has become popular in recent years as prices in the

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Wellington area increased.

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What will they make of this four-bedroom home?

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Beautiful-looking place. I like the garden at the front.

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It's not wooden. You didn't want wooden.

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-It's all brick built. It looks good.

-Big thumbs up from Chris.

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And, inside, Rossindra is getting excited, too.

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Do you like it? I like it.

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The way you park at the front and you walk in through the front door.

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And the hallway is great.

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It's certainly bigger than our

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current home in the UK, so I'm happy.

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-I can't wait to see the rest of the place.

-A good start.

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This is the main living area.

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-Nice.

-It's very bright.

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I like the mural on the wall.

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-It is hard to miss, to be fair.

-It's much bigger than what we have.

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-And a dining area.

-I like it.

-The dining area's quite cool.

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It's all very positive.

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But it's not long before Chris begins to have doubts.

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Perhaps slightly dated.

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I think we would be looking for a slightly more modern look.

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Well, that's fair enough.

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Meanwhile, the girls know what they want.

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-Can we go and play outside now?

-Yes, you can.

-Yay!

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Mum and Dad, meanwhile, continue their tour.

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-After you.

-Oh, thank you.

-Next stop, the kitchen.

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-It's nice. Nice and compact.

-I'll be honest, it's a bit small.

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It would be nice to have a bigger kitchen.

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It could do with a little bit of modernisation.

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Well, it is a far cry from

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the open-plan kitchen on their wish list.

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I'd like the fact that I'm cutting and cooking,

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I can watch the kids and I can tell them, "Oi, sit down.

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"Oi, switch the TV off. Do your homework." And cook.

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You can't get everything you want in life.

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Unfortunately, that's so.

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-Hey, you got...

-I got you.

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Yeah, OK.

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So, let's scratch that. You can get some of the things you want.

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Aw, sweet. Moving on, however, styling in the main bedroom

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also fails to impress.

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Feels like one of the houses in the UK.

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It feels like your grandma's house.

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It does a little bit, yeah.

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Maybe the bathroom can wow them.

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-Hey, something's missing.

-What's missing?

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I'd prefer the toilet to be in here. Maybe it's next door.

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Let's go and find the toilet and see

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if we can break the wall and put it all in one.

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-Oh.

-Yeah, it is the toilet. So...

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I don't think you're really going to knock that together, are you?

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-We can't?

-I don't think so.

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Wait until you move in before knocking stuff down, Rossindra.

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With four bedrooms, the house definitely has enough space

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for the whole family and the double garage is an added bonus.

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And outside makes an impression.

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Oh, wow, it's lovely.

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-I love the decking area.

-So there is a bit of space.

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But the jury's still out.

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It's a bit dated. But it's got some life in it.

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-It's a bit like you, Chris.

-Oh, that's nice.

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There's life in the old dog yet.

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You can say that again.

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Steady on, Rossindra.

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Let's get back to business.

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Does the price fit the £320,000 budget?

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-Come on, then.

-OK.

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-Wow, it's £305,000.

-Wow!

-So that's within our budget.

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That's an impressive £15,000 under budget.

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-This is a steal.

-Yeah, I think it's really good value for the price.

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Let's hope this is representative of what we can find out here.

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Only one house down and things are motoring nicely.

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Can property two keep things on track?

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Lucy and Sarah are happy with child-minders

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and we're going a bit further north to Birchfield,

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about one hour from Wellington.

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Chris and Rossindra seemed smitten from the off.

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-It's certainly got the wow factor.

-I love the area.

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I like that you're almost driving into a nature-reserve area.

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I mean, this is somewhere I would look at to go and stay

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for a week's holiday in Wales or somewhere in the Lake District.

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And you can't get more beautiful than that.

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Off to a flying start, but will inside this five-bedroom,

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three-garage house continue to impress?

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-Look. Wow.

-It's certainly different from the first house.

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-Wow, yeah.

-And it's got the layout they're after.

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Yeah, it's very, very open-plan.

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And this is a huge living space.

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I think our living room is half of this.

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Once again, it's Chris who has doubts.

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The only concern I'd have here is heating it in the winter.

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It's a very big open space. Single-glazed windows.

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I think you'd need that wood burner.

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And Rossindra's initial warm glow

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cools as she gets worried about the price.

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I absolutely love what I'm seeing,

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but I think it might be a bit above our budget.

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Unfortunately, it might be.

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Onwards to the main bedroom,

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which unusually is on the ground floor.

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So will this put them off?

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I think this is a good-sized master bedroom.

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I like the built-in wardrobes, built-in cupboards.

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But Chris has spotted the flaw.

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Yeah. I don't know whether I'd be

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too happy close to the road like that. And downstairs as well.

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Normally we live upstairs.

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However, the positives keep stacking

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up and Chris is coming round in the en suite.

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-Yeah.

-The toilet is there, so I'm happy.

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Actually, it's nicely tiled, nicely finished, which is really nice.

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Yeah, I like it.

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Upstairs boasts another

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four spacious and very colourful bedrooms.

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It's huge up here. It's got real character.

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This is a house you'd be proud to have friends over and family

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over and say, this is why I moved halfway across the world.

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Sliding on into the main bathroom now.

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Aw, it's a family bathroom.

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-That is really nice.

-You can have a bath with a view.

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Mm, I hope that view is one-way.

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As they relocate downstairs,

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the outlook is good, because outside is magnificent.

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-Wow.

-There's a lot of space.

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The outside is lovely. They've done a lot with it.

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I've got my roses here, so I'm happy.

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-Yes, you've got roses.

-Rossindra is getting very excited now.

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Your allotment patch over there

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and you've still got the outside space for the kids to play,

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you can kick the ball around.

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In the beginning, Chris was sceptical about New Zealand -

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is he beginning to see the light?

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This is a place you would want to bring people to entertain,

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barbecue out the back.

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You could play your football, badminton,

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whatever you like out the back there.

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The house ticks all the boxes and extra.

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We have to wait and see how much it costs.

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That is the big question.

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What do they think it's worth?

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£322,000.

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Well, I think about £375,000.

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Oh, no, that's my dream home! Well...don't crush my dream!

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-That's why it's a dream home. Shall we see?

-Yes, come on, then.

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-How much is it?

-SHE GASPS

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£330,000. Wow, which makes this house pretty affordable.

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This is like a proper dream home.

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So are you happy with that valuation?

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I am super duper happy, Chris.

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Rossindra can hardly believe her luck,

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and there's still one more property to go.

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We've found what we think could be the couple's dream home

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and it's just ten minutes up the road from the second property.

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-Wow.

-Do you like it?

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-Yeah, I like it.

-It looks a bit neat and tidy for me.

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Early indications of divided opinions.

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Will the inside impress?

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It's really, really well done inside.

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It's new, it's modern, it's contemporary.

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It's neat and tidy and that's up your street.

0:18:310:18:34

-Yeah, this is closer to my dream house than it is to yours.

-SHE CHUCKLES

0:18:340:18:37

-Yes.

-The kitchen, however, works for both Rossindra and Chris.

0:18:370:18:42

This kitchen is much bigger than the second house,

0:18:420:18:45

and I do like a big kitchen.

0:18:450:18:47

-But...

-I don't see us in this house, because it's very neat and tidy.

0:18:470:18:53

-It's much too tidy for you?

-Yes, yes. Yeah, it is.

0:18:530:18:56

The lawn is very well kept and the grass is green, it's beautiful.

0:18:560:19:01

Perfect for Chris, in other words.

0:19:010:19:04

I hate gardening, but I would enjoy cutting that lawn.

0:19:040:19:06

I would come home from work to cut that lawn.

0:19:060:19:09

It looks lovely.

0:19:090:19:10

Now that is high praise.

0:19:100:19:13

But split opinions continue into the living area.

0:19:130:19:16

Oh, this is a lovely breakout area.

0:19:160:19:19

-It's huge.

-Yes. It's a beautiful area for relaxing.

0:19:190:19:23

Throw some bean bags, throw some

0:19:230:19:25

toys around and then it'll be our house.

0:19:250:19:27

Well, Chris is nodding, but I'm not

0:19:270:19:30

sure he's a bean bag sort of guy.

0:19:300:19:33

Will the main bedroom bridge the divide?

0:19:330:19:35

-Oh, look.

-Wow.

-Wow.

0:19:350:19:38

-A walk-in wardrobe.

-It had to be the walk-in wardrobe.

0:19:380:19:42

Looking positive, and through the next door...

0:19:420:19:45

-Yay!

-Oh, wow, the en suite.

0:19:450:19:46

-Do you like your clean, white lines, then?

-Oh, yeah.

0:19:460:19:51

Yeah. This is ticking all the boxes.

0:19:510:19:53

This is exactly what I've been looking for.

0:19:530:19:55

This is the house I would move halfway across the world for.

0:19:550:19:58

Chris is captivated. Rossindra on the other hand...

0:19:580:20:02

It looks like a hotel room suite.

0:20:020:20:04

I just need to bring my stuff in and mess it up a little,

0:20:040:20:06

then it'll look like home.

0:20:060:20:08

However, is she sensing that Chris might be coming round to the idea

0:20:080:20:12

of a New Zealand home?

0:20:120:20:14

For me this is the best of the properties we've seen so far.

0:20:140:20:16

Look, we'll do a deal, all right?

0:20:160:20:18

If you bring me and the kids down, I'll keep the house neat and tidy.

0:20:180:20:22

-Okey-doke.

-Are you up for that?

-It's a deal.

0:20:240:20:27

Well, that's a step forward, but even outside this house,

0:20:270:20:31

Rossindra just isn't seeing what Chris is seeing.

0:20:310:20:34

-Do you like it?

-Yeah, I do.

0:20:340:20:36

-It's beautiful. It's just...I don't see my vegetable plots...

-No.

0:20:360:20:42

..having any space in this very well-manicured garden.

0:20:420:20:46

So I don't see that.

0:20:460:20:48

Is his dream house affordable on their £320,000 budget?

0:20:480:20:52

-All right, crunch time.

-OK. It is crunch time.

0:20:520:20:55

Yeah, I think this is going to be at the top of the range.

0:20:550:20:57

£400,000, what do you say, maybe a bit more?

0:20:570:21:00

No, I think that's too much. 370...

0:21:000:21:02

£370,000?

0:21:020:21:05

..seven.

0:21:050:21:06

-OK.

-I'm ready.

0:21:060:21:08

Here's the moment of truth.

0:21:080:21:10

It's...

0:21:100:21:11

-Oh!

-£395,000.

0:21:110:21:15

Well, nearly £400,000.

0:21:150:21:16

It is not insurmountable if we both get good jobs and we're working.

0:21:160:21:22

So all you need to do is make the first step, come to New Zealand.

0:21:220:21:25

The house-hunting may have seen Chris begin to waver

0:21:270:21:29

about living down under after a day

0:21:290:21:32

viewing three quite different properties.

0:21:320:21:34

House number one had a lived-in charm,

0:21:360:21:38

but needed a lot of work and didn't set the hearts racing.

0:21:380:21:43

But at £305,000, it was well within budget.

0:21:430:21:46

Property two was Rossindra's perfect home.

0:21:490:21:51

It had space, colour and a very pretty garden

0:21:510:21:55

with a price tag that was just over budget,

0:21:550:21:58

but very manageable.

0:21:580:22:00

House number three ticked all of Chris' boxes with its sleek,

0:22:010:22:05

modern feel, but for Rossindra it just wasn't homely enough.

0:22:050:22:09

At £395,000, it looks like they wouldn't be moving in any time soon.

0:22:090:22:15

So when it comes to Kiwi homes,

0:22:150:22:18

will Chris and Rossindra vote for the UK or down under?

0:22:180:22:21

After a day's house-hunting in Wellington, New Zealand,

0:22:230:22:26

it's time to vote on the properties we've seen today.

0:22:260:22:28

-New Zealand!

-New Zealand! Whoohoo! Well done, Chris.

0:22:380:22:43

Correct answer - New Zealand.

0:22:430:22:45

I'm pleased with you. Ten points for Chris.

0:22:450:22:48

A vote for New Zealand homes is a huge step in the right direction

0:22:510:22:55

for Rossindra's dream, but she knows unless Chris

0:22:550:22:58

can be convinced of good job prospects down under,

0:22:580:23:00

they won't be going anywhere.

0:23:000:23:03

Back in the UK, he works as an information manager

0:23:040:23:08

and data analyst in the local council

0:23:080:23:10

or, as it's called in the business, GIS.

0:23:100:23:14

GIS stands for geographic information systems.

0:23:140:23:18

We publish maps on to our website using our data and map-based data.

0:23:180:23:24

Until recently, Rossindra also worked

0:23:240:23:26

for the council on environmental policy.

0:23:260:23:29

It came to a time when they had to make certain cuts and my department

0:23:290:23:33

had to do some cuts and my role was no longer needed

0:23:330:23:36

as a full-time role, so they let me go.

0:23:360:23:40

Relocating to New Zealand would be an opportunity for them both

0:23:400:23:43

to move to the private sector.

0:23:430:23:46

I'd love to work with perhaps a wider zone of interest

0:23:460:23:50

than the local authority has now.

0:23:500:23:53

The private sector affords those opportunities for you

0:23:530:23:55

to get involved in large difference-making projects.

0:23:550:23:59

Currently his type of job should be the ticket for us to get in,

0:23:590:24:03

but with Chris being a bit apprehensive,

0:24:030:24:06

we also just need to find him a job that allows us to apply for a visa,

0:24:060:24:10

he needs to find a job that he's comfortable in.

0:24:100:24:13

And how much does Chris need to earn?

0:24:130:24:15

Realistically, I would be looking

0:24:150:24:19

for a salary around £35,000 to £40,000 as a starting point.

0:24:190:24:23

Without a shadow of a doubt,

0:24:230:24:25

the work prospects in New Zealand are top of his priorities.

0:24:250:24:29

If there were no opportunities for me in New Zealand,

0:24:290:24:31

I'd be very reluctant to make the move.

0:24:310:24:34

Rossindra, on the other hand, is willing to compromise.

0:24:340:24:37

I will work in a supermarket or I will be a binman

0:24:370:24:41

if it means Chris getting his visa, us starting new down under.

0:24:410:24:46

Today, we'll give the couple the opportunity

0:24:470:24:50

to explore their chances of finding work down under.

0:24:500:24:54

And for both, it's a tale of two expats.

0:24:540:24:57

Rossindra is hooking up with Steve, originally from Maidstone in Kent.

0:24:570:25:02

He's a recruiter at a large engineering and consultancy firm.

0:25:020:25:06

-Do you want to come through?

-Yeah, sure.

0:25:060:25:08

While Chris is meeting Scott, originally from Scotland,

0:25:080:25:11

at Wellington-based technology firm Eagle Technology.

0:25:110:25:15

And straight away, he zones in on the killer question.

0:25:150:25:18

Do you think, with my skill set, I'd be able to get a job here?

0:25:180:25:21

I mean, GIS is a shortage area for us just now in New Zealand.

0:25:210:25:25

You could work almost anywhere in the country, I would say.

0:25:250:25:27

-Yeah.

-Especially through local government.

0:25:270:25:29

Every council in the country uses GIS.

0:25:290:25:31

I think we're lucky here that in New Zealand

0:25:310:25:33

a lot of the public sector's doing some really creative and

0:25:330:25:35

innovative things, so you wouldn't necessarily need to look

0:25:350:25:38

-at the private sector.

-That's very different to the UK.

0:25:380:25:40

So, good news right away.

0:25:400:25:42

Across town with Rossindra, it's an equally good start.

0:25:420:25:45

I'm looking for a role where it ties in with conservation,

0:25:450:25:49

ecology, urban sustainability.

0:25:490:25:52

I'm looking at roles in that line.

0:25:520:25:53

We're in a good area at the moment,

0:25:530:25:56

because the government is spending a lot of money on things like

0:25:560:25:58

infrastructure and housing,

0:25:580:26:00

so we're getting more than our fair share of work.

0:26:000:26:03

Would I come in and be able to get a job?

0:26:030:26:05

Your background in planning,

0:26:050:26:07

sustainability and environmental science would be valuable to other

0:26:070:26:11

organisations, and the fact that you've done project management as

0:26:110:26:14

well, that's a really good tick in your box, as well.

0:26:140:26:17

-That's good.

-Fantastic.

0:26:170:26:19

Back with Chris and Scott, they're talking visas.

0:26:200:26:24

Working in the UK, not a lot of organisations hire from overseas.

0:26:240:26:28

Will government organisations in New Zealand hire from overseas?

0:26:280:26:33

I know that from Eagle's perspective, where I work here,

0:26:330:26:35

we've got a very mixed set of people who work here

0:26:350:26:39

from all around the world.

0:26:390:26:40

And it's a question also on Rossindra's mind.

0:26:400:26:43

Myself and some of the team went to the UK in February

0:26:430:26:46

and ran a bit of a workshop and actually employed...

0:26:460:26:50

I think we've employed six people now directly from the UK.

0:26:500:26:53

-Oh, Steve, you missed me!

-Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

0:26:530:26:55

Where was I in February?

0:26:550:26:58

Chris, meanwhile, has moved on to talk about the all-important issues

0:26:580:27:02

of hours and pay.

0:27:020:27:04

So, I've looked at your CV and seen the experience you have there,

0:27:040:27:07

and for a GIS manager role in New Zealand,

0:27:070:27:10

I would think somewhere in the range of 48,000 to 64,000 in pounds

0:27:100:27:15

as a salary would be the sort of range I would be thinking.

0:27:150:27:18

That sounds very encouraging.

0:27:180:27:20

Now, that's an offer he can't refuse.

0:27:200:27:23

So, what about Rossindra?

0:27:230:27:25

You'd probably be looking at around about £43,000 to £53,000.

0:27:250:27:30

Someone with your background,

0:27:300:27:31

the fact that you've got a master's degree, as well

0:27:310:27:34

and your level of experience.

0:27:340:27:35

Much more than what I was earning, so...

0:27:350:27:37

-Good, that's excellent.

-It's been a quickfire day,

0:27:370:27:40

with really encouraging news

0:27:400:27:42

on the work front for both Chris and Rossindra.

0:27:420:27:45

So the mood is upbeat as they meet to compare notes.

0:27:450:27:48

-Hello.

-Hello.

-You all right?

0:27:480:27:51

-Yeah, had a good day.

-That's good.

0:27:510:27:52

I'm very positive. Had a good interview.

0:27:520:27:55

Possibly some leads on a job.

0:27:550:27:57

So, very positive so far.

0:27:570:27:59

-Aw, I'm really pleased.

-I could be starting around 45,000 UK pounds,

0:27:590:28:04

working up to about 65,000.

0:28:040:28:07

It's more than what I'm earning now and, I mean,

0:28:070:28:09

it has the potential for the future, which is what I'm looking for.

0:28:090:28:12

-That's good to hear.

-And how was your day?

0:28:120:28:14

-How were your interviews?

-I was quite pleasantly surprised.

0:28:140:28:16

He liked my CV and he did say there are opportunities.

0:28:160:28:20

-And what about the salary?

-The salary's good.

0:28:200:28:23

He said 42 and I almost fell off my chair.

0:28:230:28:25

-Pounds?

-£42,000? Yes.

-That's pretty good.

0:28:250:28:29

So, fingers crossed we can both secure the right opportunities.

0:28:290:28:32

I'm quite optimistic.

0:28:320:28:33

Yeah, that's good. It's good.

0:28:330:28:35

So, let's guess how this vote goes.

0:28:350:28:38

-New Zealand.

-New Zealand.

0:28:450:28:47

-I'm really pleased.

-Your dream is still alive.

0:28:480:28:51

-Aw.

-SHE LAUGHS

0:28:510:28:55

-OK. Let's go and find the kids.

-Let's go.

0:28:550:28:58

With prospects blossoming and love blooming, things are looking up.

0:28:580:29:03

Halfway through their trial week, and it couldn't be going better

0:29:070:29:11

for Ros' mission to convince her cautious husband Chris

0:29:110:29:14

that their future lies in New Zealand.

0:29:140:29:17

But there's still that all-important financial reality check

0:29:170:29:21

and messages from home to come.

0:29:210:29:23

And that can change everything.

0:29:230:29:26

First, though, it's time for them to sample the sort of lifestyle

0:29:260:29:30

the family might be able to enjoy down under.

0:29:300:29:33

The Atkins family head off to spend the day at a local nature reserve.

0:29:350:29:38

The weather has taken a turn for the worse,

0:29:400:29:43

so it's time to get the wellies on down in Wellington.

0:29:430:29:46

The family are being given a guided tour

0:29:470:29:50

and getting up close to some Kiwi wildlife.

0:29:500:29:53

Sarah and Lucy get the chance to feed some very hungry native kaka.

0:29:550:30:00

Yes, hang there, Lucy.

0:30:000:30:01

Or maybe not so hungry.

0:30:010:30:04

I think he wants the stick.

0:30:040:30:06

In fact, these guys seem more interested in Mum's head.

0:30:060:30:09

-Mummy!

-He better not poo-poo on me!

-KIDS SHRIEK AND GIGGLE

0:30:090:30:14

Well, if they don't want to be fed,

0:30:140:30:16

there are some less exotic species

0:30:160:30:18

that will always want a bite to eat.

0:30:180:30:20

Ducks.

0:30:210:30:22

And the creature they meet before a spot of lunch

0:30:240:30:26

looks like it could have them for lunch.

0:30:260:30:29

But it's friendly, really.

0:30:300:30:32

And as they eat New Zealand style,

0:30:330:30:35

Chris is getting into the swing of things.

0:30:350:30:39

I guess that's how they roll out here in New Zealand.

0:30:390:30:42

-Cook outside.

-A fun family day out for the Atkins is rounded off

0:30:420:30:46

with a bit of a surprise.

0:30:460:30:48

-Oh, my God!

-Guys!

0:30:490:30:51

What is that? We are here, we're out.

0:30:510:30:54

A call from home, from Rossindra's sister.

0:30:540:30:56

Romina, it's been really good.

0:30:560:30:59

The interviews have been good, the houses have been good.

0:30:590:31:01

Hi, Romina. We are at this great bird sanctuary today,

0:31:010:31:05

and a bird just landed on Ros' head.

0:31:050:31:07

-So, that really cheered us all up.

-Why, though?

-I don't know why.

0:31:070:31:10

Of all the people to land on, he lands on me, Romina.

0:31:100:31:12

-That's good luck!

-Yeah, I hope.

0:31:120:31:14

-It is good luck.

-Romina, say hi to Lucy.

0:31:140:31:17

-Hello, Romina.

-Are you enjoying yourself?

-Yeah.

0:31:170:31:19

-Hi, hi!

-Hiya! Oh, I can hear the birds.

0:31:200:31:24

It's a duck, silly. ROMINA LAUGHS

0:31:250:31:28

OK, Romina, thanks for calling!

0:31:280:31:29

Thanks a lot, and we'll see you soon!

0:31:290:31:32

-Say bye!

-Bye!

-Bye-bye!

0:31:320:31:36

A friendly voice and increasingly receptive Chris -

0:31:360:31:39

surely Rossindra must be delighted.

0:31:390:31:42

I don't know, I'm a bit scared.

0:31:420:31:44

I've got a bit of cold feet and, yeah,

0:31:440:31:48

I'll be honest - I'm just a little bit afraid now.

0:31:480:31:51

That's a bolt from the blue.

0:31:510:31:53

Clearly more thinking to be done.

0:31:530:31:56

But, based on today,

0:31:560:31:57

will the family vote for lifestyle in the UK or New Zealand?

0:31:570:32:02

After a good day in New Zealand our vote goes to...

0:32:020:32:06

-New Zealand!

-New Zealand!

0:32:140:32:16

Mm, Sarah and Lucy not on board

0:32:170:32:19

and whilst Rossindra may be harbouring some doubts,

0:32:190:32:22

she certainly knows the secret to securing the children's vote.

0:32:220:32:26

Maybe we just need to convince the kids.

0:32:260:32:28

-Buy them an ice cream or something.

-Yeah, I think that's a good idea.

0:32:280:32:31

Come on, then, Lucy, Sarah - do you want an ice cream?

0:32:310:32:33

-Yes!

-OK, they're right up here.

0:32:330:32:35

It seems though Chris is swaying towards a move, but for Rossindra,

0:32:410:32:46

reality seems to be dawning

0:32:460:32:48

so the tables have turned.

0:32:480:32:51

In any case, relocating to New Zealand could be a pipe dream

0:32:510:32:55

if the figures don't stack up.

0:32:550:32:57

Getting the right price for their UK home will be key.

0:32:570:33:01

The couple think it's worth £310,000,

0:33:010:33:04

but will two local estate agents agree?

0:33:040:33:07

While the children are looked after by a child minder,

0:33:080:33:11

Chris and Rossindra prepare to find out.

0:33:110:33:13

It's our little house.

0:33:200:33:22

OK, so good-sized living and dining-room space,

0:33:220:33:26

I would definitely advise by knocking down the partition,

0:33:260:33:30

opening up the space and enjoying the dual aspect of the property.

0:33:300:33:34

-Thank you. I'm happy.

-That's a good idea.

0:33:340:33:37

OK, reasonable size kitchen.

0:33:370:33:40

Nice contemporary units, even space for a table and chairs.

0:33:400:33:44

-So a nice space.

-That looks really nice.

0:33:440:33:47

-I could live in that.

-OK, so good-sized double bedroom.

0:33:470:33:51

Needs a little bit of cosmetic attention,

0:33:510:33:53

maybe sort of fill in the sort of few hairline fractures we have,

0:33:530:33:58

otherwise good-sized double.

0:33:580:34:00

So, the upstairs is a very typical layout for houses of this period

0:34:000:34:05

and we come into the second bedroom here and there is a really unusual

0:34:050:34:08

feature in this cupboard which is built over the stairwell.

0:34:080:34:11

I've seen dozens of these houses

0:34:110:34:13

before and I've never seen that done which is a really nice idea.

0:34:130:34:16

Makes a really good space, and you've still got room

0:34:160:34:18

for a double bed so it's a really good-sized second bedroom.

0:34:180:34:21

So, true market evaluation for the property would be in the region of

0:34:210:34:25

£315,000.

0:34:250:34:27

if the vendors were looking for a quick sale, I would advise

0:34:270:34:30

putting the property on the market

0:34:300:34:32

for £300,000, offers in excess of.

0:34:320:34:34

In today's market, I would value this house between

0:34:340:34:37

£310,000 and £320,000.

0:34:370:34:40

For a quick sale, I would value it at £300,000.

0:34:400:34:44

So as a rental valuation, I would value the property in the region of

0:34:440:34:48

£1,200 per calendar month.

0:34:480:34:50

If the owners wanted to rent,

0:34:500:34:51

I would suggest a value of between £1,150

0:34:510:34:54

and £1,200 per calendar month.

0:34:540:34:56

-I'm really pleased.

-Yeah, I mean it's around about

0:34:560:34:59

what we were expecting, so...but it's really good.

0:34:590:35:02

So, you're not upset or anything to think that somebody could move into

0:35:020:35:05

the house or buy the property off us? It's been your family home.

0:35:050:35:08

The important thing is the family

0:35:080:35:11

-itself and you make your home wherever you are.

-Yeah.

0:35:110:35:14

Come on, then, new start, new start.

0:35:140:35:17

That's the spirit, Rossindra.

0:35:170:35:19

Time to examine the cost of living.

0:35:190:35:21

First, the weekly food shop.

0:35:210:35:23

Chicken - more expensive. We use a lot of chicken, don't we?

0:35:240:35:27

But bananas...bananas are a lot more expensive.

0:35:270:35:30

The grocery bill looks like it'll be

0:35:300:35:33

more expensive in New Zealand, but by how much?

0:35:330:35:37

So, £56 worse off a month in New Zealand.

0:35:370:35:42

£56 a month won't break the bank, but Chris and Rossindra have also to

0:35:440:35:48

tackle the bigger outgoings.

0:35:480:35:50

And there's nothing off the Richter scale

0:35:500:35:53

until Rossindra reacts to one figure.

0:35:530:35:55

Home insurance! It's making me think that you have to pay more

0:35:550:35:59

in New Zealand and then my mind wanders and I think possibly

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it could be because of the earthquakes

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that are happening over here?

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And then I think, "Oh, gee, earthquake!

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"Do I want to move down under?"

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Chris has stunned written all over his face -

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it's yet another sign of doubt from Rossindra.

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Will the comparison of outgoings make things better or worse?

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-£300.

-£300 per month.

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-Better off?

-Better off in New Zealand!

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That's pretty impressive, isn't it?

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Yeah, that's good, happy news, yay, we should celebrate.

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On firmer ground, they look at income.

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If Rossindra did get a job down under

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and Chris' income increased in line with the advice they were given...

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This is an extra of £4,252 a month.

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Per month.

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That's pretty good, isn't it?

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It's a significant amount of money,

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but Rossindra's erring on the cautious side.

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But at the back of my mind I keep thinking, you know,

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people always say if it looks too good to be true,

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then perhaps...perhaps it's not true.

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But for Chris, the numbers don't lie.

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And when all the figures are totalled,

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they'd be better off in New Zealand by over £4,000 a month.

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That's a massive £54,624 a year.

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It's the lifestyle and the environment that you wanted.

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-Yes.

-And I think we've proved that, through the numbers,

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that that is actually attainable - it looks pretty positive.

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Yes!

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It's time to vote.

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After going through our finances, our vote goes to...

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-BOTH:

-New Zealand!

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Knowing they'd thrive financially down under is motivating Chris,

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but the emotional cost has to be considered, too.

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Lucy and Sarah are keen to join in as the families sit down to watch

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messages from loved ones back home.

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Hi, Rossi! Hi, Chris!

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Hello, guys, hi!

0:38:200:38:22

Hello, Chris and Rossi.

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Chris and Rossi are very good together.

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I think Chris is quite funny,

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he has a bit of a cold sense of humour

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which works well, because Rossi has the extra-focused sense of humour.

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Chris is very quiet.

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He is not adventurous in trying foreign food.

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She's always been saying how nice and beautiful New Zealand is

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and she'd like to go and see and live there.

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She said if she ever gets the opportunity to go to any country

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she will choose New Zealand.

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I think Chris might be a little bit more unsure about going,

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cos obviously it's Rossi that is the one that wants to go.

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Oh, I'll definitely miss the daily conversations that we have,

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daily chats, cos we talk quite a lot.

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I'd definitely miss seeing the girls.

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I really want them to go and do well,

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but on the other hand I'm really going to miss them.

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Rossi's the only one here, so I get to go and see her,

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but if she's gone then for me, as well, it's going to be all alone

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and it's really a long way to go.

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But I will miss her a lot and the children if she goes,

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but it's one of them things.

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I think you should just go for it, it's a great opportunity

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for Rossi and Chris before the children get too old

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and get settled where they are.

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So if Rossi feels that New Zealand is going to have a better future

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for her and her family and the children, I feel Chris will agree.

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I'll definitely support you 100%, whatever decision you make.

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Good luck!

0:39:550:39:57

Ohh. So, what do you think?

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So it is very difficult, as she said, it's a very long way away.

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That's one of the factors, isn't it?

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You have to weigh up moving all the way out here.

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Will you be sad to leave the UK?

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Yes, I will be, but the main point here is they've all

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given us their blessings and at this point in our life I think,

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yeah, we should take our chances and see what life has to offer for us.

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Hearing from family and friends seems to have refocused Rossindra

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in her long-held ambition to move down under.

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Undoubtedly, it's a difficult decision.

0:40:320:40:35

At the start of the week, free spirit Rossindra made it her

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mission to convince her more cautious

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and, yes, cynical husband Chris

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that they should risk it all on a move down under.

0:40:440:40:48

He, however, wanted to find out

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whether the gamble was just too big to make.

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Now, as they approach the final vote,

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has she managed to win him round to her way of thinking?

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What would you do if it was you?

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After years of coaxing husband Chris to relocate down under,

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his attitude isn't what she anticipated.

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I'm shocked by the fact that Chris is all go, go, go on Chris' side.

0:41:110:41:17

If anything, it's Rossindra who appears reluctant to take the leap.

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You stood at the edge of the cliff

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and you've waited like, "Come on, guys! Come on! Come on!"

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You look at yourself and you're like, "Am I ready?"

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I spent all this time getting them here,

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-"Am I ready, have I got my parachute on?"

-SHE LAUGHS

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As ever, it's been the messages from home that have made a huge impact on

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-the couple.

-The friends and family messages do bring you back to

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reality and I guess show you what you're missing.

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It's kind of a check and to see - "Do you want to do this thing?"

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It's a massive step moving to the other side of the world.

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So maybe a little bit of doubt in my mind.

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So as the final vote approaches,

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how are this very loving - but very different - couple feeling?

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This is crunch time, the kids are young

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and we're not getting any younger.

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It's a little bit of soul-searching

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and some tough decision-making to be done.

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Will the family decide their destiny lies at home or away?

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BOTH: New Zealand!

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UK!

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Wow, Chris, you voted New Zealand, well done! I am pleased.

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Yeah, you've won me around,

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I'm quite happy with what our lifestyle could be out here,

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-I'm happy to give it a go.

-Yay! Come on, then.

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Well, she did it!

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And, finally, cautious Chris became Chris the convert.

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All they have to do now is work on little Sarah.

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Whatever move they make next,

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we'll be following their progress with interest.

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And, of course, wishing them the best of luck.

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Group hug, group hug, group hug! Group hug, group hug!

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