Harris Wanted Down Under


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Stonemasons are on the skills shortage list in Australia, and Mat Harris is tempted to find out more. His chosen destination for a test week is Hobart in Tasmania.


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Hello and welcome to Wanted Down Under,

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the show that catapults a British family right across

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to the other side of the world to help them make

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the biggest decision of their life.

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Mat and Cass Harris hope that a move Down Under will provide their family with an exciting new life.

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For me, it's part of an adventure I never had when I was younger. Going to Australia,

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we're going to experience a different culture.

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It's a nice place to bring up children.

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Their desire is to relocate to a part of Australia

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that's very different from the rest of the country.

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It's SO remote.

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It's even extremely remote for most Australians to get to.

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And to live there would fulfil a huge ambition for Mat.

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I love Australia, I really do. I fell in love with it ten years ago.

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If it doesn't happen, I'll be gutted.

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After 18 years as a stonemason, can Mat carve out a future for him

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and his family, and will they decide to go where they're Wanted Down Under?

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The gloomy economic situation in the UK makes the beaches and surf of Australia

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look pretty enticing for many. Those under 45 and with a skill that's on the shortage list

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could be packing up and heading for a new life Down Under.

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Last year, over 60 Brits a day did just that, but how did they come to make such a big decision?

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We've given another 20 British families the opportunity to spend

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a week Down Under, to see if it's all they ever dreamt it would be.

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After that, they'll have to vote one way or the other.

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Will they stay in the UK, or will they move to Australia?

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Sports-mad Mat and Cassandra Harris live with their baby son, Horatio, in Surrey.

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Having travelled to Australia some years ago, Mat thinks it could offer his family a better future

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than they're likely to find in the UK.

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The way of life out there's going to be so vastly different to here.

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You've got less people there, so you're going to have less people standing on people's toes

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and so you can have less violence and it's just a nicer place to bring up children.

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Unlike most British wannabe migrants, the Harrises are considering moving to

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a part of Australia which isn't all about sun, sand and surf.

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In Tasmania, the weather is quite like this country.

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It's got like all your four distinct seasons and I just love the rain and cold weather.

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So, going to Australia wasn't about moving somewhere hot for me.

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I'm not overly brilliant in the heat, I must admit,

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but I'm also not brilliant in the wet.

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Mat is hoping his job as a stonemason will provide their ticket out of the UK.

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Tasmania has the second oldest city in Australia, Hobart,

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and with that comes stonework.

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There is a lot of old buildings out in Hobart.

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Whether they all need repairing straight away, I'm not sure!

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But they may be less illustrious than the sort of buildings Mat's used to.

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I've worked on Bury St Edmunds Cathedral, St Paul's Cathedral,

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the Houses of Parliament, all numbers of churches and colleges in Oxford.

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I'll be setting my sights a lot lower when I go to Tasmania.

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Mat is aware that his thoughts of moving are not welcome news for his parents.

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They're not exactly thrilled at the idea of me upping sticks and going to Tasmania and taking the family away.

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I've no doubt at all, I'd really, really miss them.

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Although I'll miss my family, it's this one that's the important one now

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and he's our family and we've got to do what's best by him,

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rather than what's best by the rest of the family.

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They may be singing from the same hymn sheet about wanting to give Tasmania a try,

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but Cass is aware of some differences of opinion.

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We can never decide on anything or agree on anything.

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I think we'll disagree on absolutely everything!

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Mat would like to live in a nice stone house, maybe somewhere by the sea.

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-I'd like to live out in the country.

-I'd love to have an ocean view,

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but we'll come to some sort of compromise, I'm sure.

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Which normally means I put my foot down,

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"We're not doing this, or that," and then ten minutes later

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I agree Cass was right in the first place!

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But there's one thing they do agree on.

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I'd rather be sat here in 30 years and say, "At least we went,

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"we gave it a shot," than sit here and think, "What if we had?"

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I think if it doesn't work out, it's best to actually see

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whether it hasn't worked out, rather than say, "Oh, I wish I'd have gone to Australia.

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"I really wish I had tried doing something with my life."

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And that's what I want to do. I want to experience things.

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To help the Harrises find out if Tasmania is everything they imagine, we gave them an amazing opportunity.

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The chance to spend a week investigating all aspects of life there.

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We have three different lifestyles for the family to sample.

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One in the country, one in the city and one on the coast.

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Each with an offer of a job and a brand new way of life for them to enjoy on their budget.

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First, let's take a look at the country lifestyle.

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Tasmania is known as the Apple Isle, due to the orchards of the stunning Huon Valley.

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Here, families can live the relaxed country life on the doorstep of some great snow sports.

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Unlike mainland Australia, property prices in Tasmania are still relatively low.

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A three bedroom home can be as inexpensive as £70,000, but average at around £160,000.

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And in the country, the plots can be generous, too.

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Set in beautiful countryside, James Turvey owns this stonemason's business.

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Occasionally, we get some big jobs in and we need to call stonemasons in to help,

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so it'd be good to see you. In Tassie a lot of our work consists of

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restoration in sandstone and granite. Let's go and look at what we've done!

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Here we have a set of lions that we've restored.

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I think this type of thing would interest you,

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so when you come to Hobart, give us a bell.

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So, that was the kind of lifestyle they could expect in the country,

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but what might be possible in the city on their budget?

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The city of Hobart is one of the most picturesque in the world.

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A thriving hangout, it plays host to a vibrant arts scene,

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plenty of festivals and a dynamic cafe society.

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Property prices are a touch higher here, but still extremely

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affordable with three bedroom homes available for a mere £175,000.

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A short commute away is a stonemason's job offer, earning £25 per hour.

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Managing director Brad Rizzolo tells us more.

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Here we cut sandstone for residential and commercial projects,

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also for heritage restoration work. This is our factory, where the majority of work is done.

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We have state-of-the-art machinery that enables us to do sophisticated work.

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In their spare time, the guys enjoy sports - surfing, rock climbing, bushwalking.

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So, Tasmania has a lot to offer.

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Mat, I've looked at your resume.

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You sound like you've got skills we could use.

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When you're in Tasmania, come and see us.

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It looks that they could shape up pretty well in the city, but what about a new life on the coast?

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The coves and bays of the Hobart area make for magnificent coastal

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living, where there's a variety of sports to keep you occupied.

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A three bedroom home set back from the waterfront goes

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for around £200,000, a lot less than what you might expect to pay for similar properties in mainland Oz.

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For a stonemason like Mat, there's the potential to work on

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construction sites like this, as Aubrey Wood explains.

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It's a really exciting project we're working on.

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We specialise in construction, rather than restoration.

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It's really creative work, and what a great place to spend your day!

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Mat, you're going to love Tasmania.

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It's a beautiful place. We're five minutes from the coast, we've got the mountain as our backdrop.

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A great place to bring your family and raise your children

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and it's a brilliant quality of life. Tassie's great!

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Mat, there's loads of opportunities in Tas for a stonemason.

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When you get here, look me up.

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In all three options, Mat could expect roughly the same wage.

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The country option, which Cass prefers,

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offers a relaxed lifestyle and less expensive

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properties around £160,000.

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The city option comes with pricier homes, but the work is better suited

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to the type of stonemasonry that Mat does in the UK.

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The coastal option is more expensive, with property fetching

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around £200,000, but the location is just what Mat's looking for.

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Three very different possibilities for our families to try,

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so which one did they decide would suit them best?

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The Harrises are trying out the city lifestyle, where Mat will be

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doing the restoration work that he loves.

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And after a journey of 22 hours which has taken them from London,

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via Singapore and Melbourne, the family touched down in Hobart,

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the state capital of Tasmania.

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The scenery as you fly is just absolutely amazing. It's like so...

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So much space and, like, so few buildings.

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Did we see snow-capped mountains? There is snow-capped mountains here?

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-I saw snow.

-Right!

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Cass kept on saying, "There's snow-capped mountains!"

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"No, it's cloud, there's no snow!"

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-I'm raring to go. I can't wait! I'm so excited!

-Let's do it.

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They're staying for the week in the suburb of North Hobart,

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in an old-style house with plenty of character.

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-Wow!

-It's really nice, isn't it?

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Wow, look at this, a fireplace!

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Mummy's always wanted a fireplace in the bedroom!

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Best start a fire! THEY LAUGH

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So, Cass is happy, but what else is on offer?

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-It is much nicer than our flat, isn't it?

-Just a smidgen!

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Just a bit, yeah. A bit more character. I think I like my kitchen at home better.

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Look at that, Horatio, boys' toys!

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-Barbecue! Man's work!

-Does that mean Daddy's going to cook for a change?

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Does that mean Daddy's going to cook for a change?

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Wow!

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That's it if he doesn't break it first!

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It's been a long trip and they take a moment to reflect.

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It's so different from ours. Ours was purpose-built in the 1950s,

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and although it serves a purpose, this is just lovely. Really nice.

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-If I could buy a house like this in the UK I would, definitely.

-Yeah.

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Back inside, Cass is feeling apprehensive.

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The worst thing that could happen is that we fall in love with Tasmania

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and then we find out there's not enough work for Mat. That would just be awful.

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Come here, come here. Because it's a bit of a niche market

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and what are the wages going to be like?

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I mean, if the wages are half decent and there's plenty of work,

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the only thing that's stopping us is family and friends.

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One of the other concerns I've got is getting you a network of friends out here.

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Because if I'm working, I'm going to have that virtually straight away,

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-especially if I'm playing sport as well.

-Yeah.

-It's getting you into

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-a mother and toddler group.

-Yeah. I'm sure we could find one.

-Yeah.

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So, there's plenty for the Harrises to think about this week.

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Their plans for a future in Australia depend on everything falling into place,

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and that's a lot to ask.

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The Harrises live in Leatherhead, a market town just off the M25 in Surrey.

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Home is a first floor maisonette, which means they're pressed for a space,

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especially with a growing baby to consider.

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It's worth £210,000, but Mat and Cass are hoping to upgrade to something bigger.

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Property prices in Tasmania are cheaper than the rest of Australia

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and tend to come with larger plots of land.

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Cass and Mat believe they could find a suitable family home for around £185,000,

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which means a mortgage of about 100,000.

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We found three houses for them to view.

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The first is in Ranelagh, 30 miles into the countryside from Hobart.

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It has four bedrooms and a substantial area of land,

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but its unique selling point is the amazing vistas.

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All this would set the Harrises back around £185,000,

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which is within their budget, and as Cass wants to live in the country, it should be right up her street.

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-The views are amazing!

-Oh, wow! Look at that!

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Are you going to have a look?

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Wow!

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-Look at that!

-It really is nice.

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This is what I had in mind when I thought about moving to Tasmania.

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It's very picturesque, I must admit. Oh, wow! They've got goats as well!

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It just could be a very quiet existence.

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I like a little bit of hustle and bustle, but...

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it just seems it might be a bit quiet.

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I really like the idea of the country lifestyle.

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I've already done the city lifestyle in London and had enough of that.

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I just think living out here, it's so lovely, the air is so fresh,

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I think it would be lovely for Horatio as well.

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-Cassie, you've never lived in the country.

-No, that's true.

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-I grew up there.

-I fancy a change. Yeah, but you grew up on a street!

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There's a little more here.

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But I think Mat would really like to live by the sea.

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This is not too far from the sea, so, a 15-minute drive, so...

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What do you think? You're holding your opinions to yourself?

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He doesn't want to cause a family rift!

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Yep, I'd keep schtum, Horatio! Back inside, they go to see what upstairs has to offer.

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-You'll be all right down here, won't you, Rache?

-Hee-hee.

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Oh, wow! That's beautiful.

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-The views!

-Look at the curtains!

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They're well funny!

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-Imagine waking up to this every morning.

-Yeah.

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-This is a lovely little sunny room, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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-It's a little nursery room, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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I could see myself living here really easily.

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-I don't know about you. Has it grown on you?

-I'd like to do more research, personally.

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It is stunning, without a shadow of a doubt. Those views are very special,

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but I'll reserve judgement.

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Outside, they take the chance to survey the land.

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Can the three Billy Goats Gruff persuade Mat?

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Hello, hello, hello! Say hello, goat!

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Hello, goaty!

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It's beautiful out here, isn't it?

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There's no doubt about it, it is a very special place.

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-But still not for you.

-It's whether the work's there or not.

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You'd probably have to...

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-commute into Hobart.

-Yeah.

-This is my dream home.

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I think Mat might take a bit of persuading, but, yeah, this is perfect for me.

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That seems to be Cass decided before she's even seen the next house.

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Property two is in Oakdowns, a coastal suburb 20 minutes from Hobart.

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It has three bedrooms, one en suite, and a large kitchen.

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The sea views mean it comes with a price tag of £200,000, a little over their initial budget.

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WIND BLOWS, BELL CLANGS

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Stunned silence! In a good way?

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-This is nice.

-It's not quite as nice as the other place, I must admit.

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But, it has its advantages.

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-It's a nicer sized kitchen.

-It's a much bigger kitchen, isn't it?

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-This is an absolutely massive kitchen.

-Yeah. A bit clinical.

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-Would you prefer the farmhouse look?

-Yeah!

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-A sort of a country farmhouse, is it?

-Yeah!

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Cass has already decided where she wants to live, but what about the bedrooms?

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A little room for you again, Horatio. It's all blue!

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-It's a nice little room for you, isn't it?

-Next door is close.

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Next door is very close, yeah.

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Are we going to have a look at the other rooms, then?

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It's an OK size again, isn't it?

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-Very green! I think we've been spoilt by that first house.

-Yeah.

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They can't seem to get over the crowded feel of the area.

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You've got that nice view of the sea, but everywhere looks like it's being built on,

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so maybe in five years you'd have no view at all, where in the other place even if you wanted

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to sell the land and someone built on that land because you're up high, you'll never, ever lose the view.

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Cass isn't much taken with the decor.

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I'd probably have to redecorate the whole...

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-It's not...

-It's not...

-It's not my cup of tea.

-No.

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But it does feel a bit warmer, down on the coast.

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-It's got its plus points!

-Yeah, I like the cold!

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-Well, you're in the minority there, Cass.

-Yeah.

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-It's an OK sized room.

-It's en suite.

-I'm not really that fussed about en suite.

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I'd rather have a bigger room with more space in it than an en suite.

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Although he's keen to live by the sea, Mat's not impressed with this location.

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You can see the sea there, but we had a scoot round and there's no beach there at all to speak of.

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It's not my idea of a coastal little town.

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If we're ever going to move here, it's got to be right, hasn't it?

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Otherwise, it's just another thing that'll make you feel homesick.

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-I don't think this one is the one for us.

-No, Horatio wants to go now!

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It's a thumbs down from Horatio, then!

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While Cass calms him down, Mat gives the garden the once over

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and finds something close to every man's heart - a shed!

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TV, sound system, tools, somewhere to keep yourself warm.

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A bit of work! Some stone here as well!

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Is the shed enough to persuade him of the merits of this house?

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Not on this property, no.

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And not probably this area,

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but I still like the coast! That's not changed one bit!

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Hmm, some disagreement between Cass and Mat, so there's a lot riding on the final house.

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Property three is in Moonah, 10 minutes from central Hobart.

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It's got three bedrooms, offers spacious open-plan living

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and is on the market for 360,000, or around £175,000.

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-The area looks OK, doesn't it?

-Yeah.

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-Yeah, I quite like it, actually.

-Yeah?

-Yeah, it's quite sort of...

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-It's got an OK feel about it.

-It's got a bit of character to it.

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Agreement at last! A promising start.

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-This is nice.

-It is, isn't it?

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-That's really nice.

-It's lovely.

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-A really nice hallway, isn't it?

-Yeah.

-It's spacious.

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-Is this the kitchen?

-Yeah.

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-So, kitchen, dining room and lounge all in one.

-Yes, yeah.

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But I still quite like it.

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I like my kitchen to be a bit separate from the rest of the living area.

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Yeah, but it's really nicely done. It's got a lot of character.

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It's still an old house and, yeah, I kind of like it.

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-I don't reckon you do, though.

-I don't like it.

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No, it's too open-plan for me. Way too open-plan.

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But it's nice! It's quite roomy.

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Yeah, but it's still open-plan. I hate open-plan living. It's still really nice.

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It's finished really well, but...

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-It's in a nice area.

-I'd have to change the kitchen.

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-You'd have to change the kitchen?

-Yeah.

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What would you change?

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-The cupboards, the benches.

-What would you change about the cupboards?

-They're horrible.

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They're too white.

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-Well, just paint them, I dunno!

-Paint them!

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So, it seems they don't agree on this house either.

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This looks like the master bedroom.

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-It's a decent size, isn't it?

-A bit dark.

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The wardrobes aren't up to much.

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We've got our own wardrobes, I wouldn't worry too much about that.

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Mat's fighting a losing battle. How will the bathroom stack up?

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-Glass bricks.

-Yeah.

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-Tasteful(!)

-OK, not so well.

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-Yeah, shall we have a look outside?

-Yeah?

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-Yeah. A bit of a garden.

-Yeah.

-Bigger than what we've got now.

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-It is.

-Yeah, a proper shed this!

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-Really?

-Or, as they used to be known, as outhouses!

-Outhouses, yeah.

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-And the toilet, yeah. Potential.

-Potential.

-Yeah.

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It's got potential.

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-Is that the house or the shed?

-The shed!

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I'm actually quite taken with this property. It's just a nice house.

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Exactly, it's nice.

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If we're going to, like, make the move, then we'll move somewhere that's just more than nice.

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OK, so Cass doesn't like nice.

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She loved the first house with its traditional charm and spectacular views,

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but Mat was worried about such splendid isolation.

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The second house did nothing for either of them,

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with the neighbours too close and the lack of beach.

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And property three was right up Mat's street, but Cass found fault with pretty much everything.

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They don't agree on much about these properties, so how will they vote?

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I think, overall, you do get more for your money than you do in the UK.

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Without a shadow of a doubt.

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I think we're split though, aren't we?

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What you get for your money over here, to what you get for over in the UK, I'd choose...

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Australia.

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Back in the UK, Mat works as a stonemason.

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He knows any move depends on finding work in Tasmania.

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He's come to meet Brad Rizzolo, managing director of the biggest stonemasonry company in Hobart.

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-Nice to meet you, Mike.

-Yeah, likewise. Welcome to Tasmania.

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Yeah, cheers, fella. I've seen a couple of your carvings.

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-Is that the sort of thing you're interested in?

-Yeah, rather than some of the granite and marbles,

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it's more sedimentary. More architectural.

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Well, that's a fair part of our business, is the restoration and conservation,

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-so, yeah, we can go and have a look around...

-Yeah, let's do it!

-OK.

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That's a good start. Mat's passion is for restoring old buildings.

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Brad introduces him to some of the team.

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All right, mate.

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Whereabouts is the work mainly based? Is it in Hobart itself?

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-A lot of this is in Hobart.

-Yeah.

-The beauty of Hobart is that everything is very close.

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So, the furthest guy who lives away is probably 15 minutes, 20 minutes, you know?

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I'm travelling probably about an hour and 40, maybe two hours if it's bad.

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It makes a long day, there and back.

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-It certainly does.

-So, you'd definitely have more free time here.

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Good news for Mat, no commute!

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Assuming, that is, he can persuade Cass to give up her dream of a house in the country.

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She and Mat are both keen for her to fit into the local community and find suitable facilities

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for Horatio, so she's come to research a local playgroup.

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-Hi, there!

-I'm Lisa. How are you?

-Hiya, Lisa. I'm Cass and this is Horatio.

-Hello, Horatio!

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Welcome! This is our playgroup.

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-We are the largest playgroup in Tasmania.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

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We hold playgroup every day, from 10 o'clock to around 12, although we tend to hang around

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and have a chat with the mums and stuff.

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We also hold a dads' playgroup, if you're interested.

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I suppose it's a good place for parents to meet, as well?

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It is. I've only just moved back to Tassie a couple of years ago after growing up here,

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and I knew no-one and so that's the main reason most of our families come.

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It can be isolating if you're by yourself, so it's a great way to make friends.

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-It sounds like fun.

-Would you like to meet some mums?

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-Yeah, that would be lovely, wouldn't it?

-OK.

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'Coming here today and just in general all the people we've met,

0:24:460:24:50

'I don't think I'd feel isolated at all. Everyone is so friendly.'

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It's been really nice for me to see that there are places like this,

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that I can come to if we do decide to move here.

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It's important for Mat, while he's at work, to know I've got something like this to come to,

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so he can concentrate on his work and he's not worrying about me and Horatio all the time.

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Back at the yard, Mat is quizzing Brad about the amount of employment

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available to a stonemason in Tasmania.

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Have you got much work on your books at the moment?

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We've got a fair bit coming up. We're sort of in the...

0:25:200:25:24

Just waiting on another contract just before we can come in. The work can vary

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on and off depending on the money. The government tend to have a fair bit of control over

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the funding because a lot of their buildings are government-owned.

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Although there are plenty of heritage buildings in Tasmania

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in need of repair, it seems the funding isn't always forthcoming.

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Could this mean work might be unreliable?

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And, if so, the pay would have to be really good.

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So, the big question then, what sort of money would I be looking for, for us to come over to Tasmania?

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What should I be pitching myself at?

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Depending on the... The sub contractors normally they're around the 35 an hour.

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Guys on the books somewhere between 23 to 25 an hour.

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-Yeah, OK.

-Right, let's say Mat gets a job as one of Brad's staff on 25 an hour.

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That translates into around £25,500 pounds a year.

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Mat's currently on about eight grand more than that in the UK.

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That doesn't sound great. And at the playgroup, Cass is also pondering matters financial.

0:26:250:26:32

We've looked at the houses and they're definitely cheaper.

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We've done a bit of shopping and the shopping is actually more expensive here.

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I've just been talking to other ladies and things like electricity are quite expensive,

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so I think the whole potential move to Tasmania is going to to be based around Mat's work,

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because for the first couple of years we'll probably be a single-income family.

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It seems Cass has had a reality check, but can the same be said for Mat?

0:26:540:26:58

Brad has brought him into Hobart to see one of the buildings his team is restoring.

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It used to be a jam factory.

0:27:040:27:07

-A jam factory?

-In its heyday, yeah.

0:27:070:27:10

I can see you've had a few indents go in there already.

0:27:100:27:13

Mat's keen to find out how much of the work available to him is in restoration.

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There is a number of buildings that are in need of repair and they will slowly get there,

0:27:180:27:23

but funding, as you know in the UK as well, is always the issue.

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Yeah, it's expensive, stone.

0:27:270:27:30

It's settled my mind in seeing how much work is out here for me.

0:27:300:27:33

There's definite potential, either actually in Hobart or Port Arthur.

0:27:330:27:37

There seems to be quite a few buildings falling to bits and they need the funding

0:27:370:27:41

either by state or some very wealthy Australians chipping in the money,

0:27:410:27:46

otherwise all their heritage will just fall to bits and disappear into dust.

0:27:460:27:50

What little I've seen of it, I can actually make a difference to it.

0:27:500:27:56

But, as we've heard, Mat would earn considerably less in Tasmania than he does back home.

0:27:560:28:02

The money is not as much as I hoped, but it's still just about liveable.

0:28:020:28:06

You just have to economise and try and do other things.

0:28:060:28:09

He's determined to look on the bright side about his work prospects, but how will he vote?

0:28:090:28:15

After meeting Brad and realising there's a lot of work out here for me and there's still a lot of

0:28:150:28:20

buildings that need to be restored, my vote would be going to Australia.

0:28:200:28:26

The Australian state of Tasmania is situated 150 miles south-east of the mainland

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and is therefore close to the hole in the ozone layer over Antarctica.

0:28:340:28:39

This, and the dangers of climate change, mean that although it's not as hot as other parts of Oz,

0:28:390:28:44

there are still a few very important things to bear in mind about the weather there.

0:28:440:28:49

# Slip! Slop! Slap!

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# Slip on a shirt, slop on sunscreen

0:28:510:28:54

# And slap on a hat

0:28:540:28:56

# Slip! Slop! Slap!

0:28:560:28:59

# In the sun this summer say

0:28:590:29:04

# Slip! Slop! Slap!

0:29:040:29:06

# Slip! Slop! Slap! #

0:29:060:29:08

Originally when the campaign started it was just Slip! Slop! Slap!

0:29:080:29:11

And that was the early '80s and it was very much directed on

0:29:110:29:14

slipping on clothing, hats and sunscreen.

0:29:140:29:16

We've actually extended the message now to include using UV alert

0:29:160:29:20

to show people the times of the day that our UV's high,

0:29:200:29:23

as well as seeking shade and sliding on some sunglasses.

0:29:230:29:26

Despite the campaign's important message, many sun lovers still ignore it.

0:29:260:29:30

Australia has the highest rate of skin cancer in the world, and two out of three Australians

0:29:300:29:35

will develop some form of the condition in their lifetime.

0:29:350:29:39

Teenagers are a group that we know have got a high awareness of the message, but aren't following

0:29:390:29:44

through with their practices, so it's a group we'd like to see protecting their skin more.

0:29:440:29:49

They are often a group, too, that get sunburnt,

0:29:490:29:52

which puts them at a higher risk of skin cancer.

0:29:520:29:54

What are Joanne's top tips for those people desperate to bask in the Aussie sunshine?

0:29:540:30:00

My advice is to protect your skin as much as possible.

0:30:000:30:04

Fair skin would be damaged by the sun, particularly unprotected fair skin.

0:30:040:30:08

Please don't be fooled, on a cool or cloudy day our UV levels can still be very high

0:30:080:30:12

and skin damage can still happen on those days.

0:30:120:30:15

Make sure you check the UV alert every day and protect your skin as much as possible.

0:30:150:30:20

Mat and Cass Harris from Surrey are sure that life would improve

0:30:230:30:27

immensely if they move to Australia. They're just split on whereabouts.

0:30:270:30:31

I really like the idea of the country lifestyle.

0:30:310:30:35

-Cassie, you've never lived in the country!

-No, that's true.

0:30:350:30:39

-I grew up there!

-Mat is positive he'll find a job he loves.

0:30:390:30:43

There's definite potential, in Hobart or Port Arthur.

0:30:430:30:46

There seems to be a few buildings falling to bits.

0:30:460:30:49

But is he being realistic about supporting his family on a single income?

0:30:490:30:53

And hearing messages from loved ones could make the decision tougher still.

0:30:530:30:58

It's nice to be able to spend time with your family and your friends.

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Which is something that I might miss. I might miss completely.

0:31:040:31:08

I might come out here and it would be too much.

0:31:080:31:12

The Harrises feel that life in the UK is too fast and furious for them,

0:31:150:31:20

so they'd be looking for something more tranquil down under.

0:31:200:31:23

Tasmania is equivalent to the size of Ireland, but its entire

0:31:230:31:28

population is under half a million, so it'll certainly be quieter.

0:31:280:31:32

But, will the lifestyle on offer stack up?

0:31:320:31:37

They've come to the Bonorong Wildlife Centre, where Park Ranger Greg Irons

0:31:380:31:42

introduces them to some of the residents.

0:31:420:31:44

Look at her!

0:31:460:31:47

One animal which is native to this part of Australia is preceded by his fearsome reputation.

0:31:490:31:56

But how scary is the Tasmanian devil, really?

0:31:560:31:58

One of the most misunderstood animals in the world.

0:31:580:32:02

It's a really funny thing the way they're portrayed.

0:32:020:32:04

Obviously, being called a devil you're off to a pretty poor start.

0:32:040:32:08

But, that's the local Aussie... Have you heard devils?

0:32:080:32:11

Imagine two people screaming at the top of their lungs, that's what they sound like.

0:32:110:32:15

The first settlers arrived in Tassie, they hear people screaming convinced that Tassie

0:32:150:32:20

is haunted. So, they were deemed a devil before they were ever sighted.

0:32:200:32:24

There doesn't seem to be much that's devilish about that cutie, but Tasmanian devils have recently

0:32:240:32:29

been ravaged by a gruesome disease and they're now an endangered species.

0:32:290:32:34

The facial tumour disease, it's devastating them at the moment, you know?

0:32:340:32:39

We might not have them in the wild in ten years.

0:32:390:32:42

-That's a really...

-Really?

0:32:420:32:44

Yeah, it's a really, really sad tale.

0:32:440:32:46

It's obviously something we're all hoping they'll find a cure for,

0:32:460:32:50

but it's an infectious tumour and it's unheard of before, so Tassie has a massive, massive fight

0:32:500:32:56

over the next little while to sort that one out.

0:32:560:32:58

If people can focus on the other things affecting them,

0:32:580:33:01

the amount killed by dogs, the amount killed on the road.

0:33:010:33:04

There are things that everyone can do and as far as the disease goes,

0:33:040:33:08

we have to sit tight. Mother Nature is a funny thing. She's the one who probably introduced it

0:33:080:33:13

and will hopefully sort it out, too. This with our record in Australia of extinctions,

0:33:130:33:17

it would be a shame to lose the population.

0:33:170:33:19

The Harrises are gradually getting to grips with what Tasmania has to offer a young family,

0:33:260:33:32

but doubts remain for Cass about whether it would be the right move.

0:33:320:33:35

I'm just not sure whether I've seen enough of Tasmania yet to make my mind up completely.

0:33:370:33:43

I think Mat would definitely move here straight away, wouldn't you?

0:33:430:33:47

-Yeah.

-I need a bit more convincing.

0:33:470:33:49

I think it'd all depend on where we were based and where we lived.

0:33:490:33:54

But what we've seen so far and the people are lovely.

0:33:540:33:57

They're all really, really sound people. So, yeah,

0:33:570:34:01

I'm quite sold on it. I'll just see if I can talk Cass round.

0:34:010:34:04

I'm sure that after the time we've spent here, I'll come to a definite decision, yes, or no.

0:34:040:34:11

So, in a bid to bring Cass around to his way of thinking, Mat suggests an excursion

0:34:110:34:17

to see the one thing he knows will make Cass happy.

0:34:170:34:20

Most British people when they think of Australia imagine blue skies, crashing surf and fantastic beaches.

0:34:200:34:26

Tasmania does offer those things, but its position off the southernmost tip

0:34:270:34:31

of mainland Australia means it's normal to see snow in winter.

0:34:310:34:36

-Fantastic!

-It's a scorcher! It's a lovely, lovely day!

0:34:420:34:46

I can't throw it at you, you've got a baby!

0:34:510:34:54

It's gone down my jacket!

0:34:590:35:01

It's great. It's exactly what we wanted, isn't it, really?

0:35:160:35:20

-We didn't want the stereotypical Australia, hot weather.

-Part of it's hot.

0:35:200:35:24

-Yeah, but...

-My big toe is certainly not.

0:35:240:35:27

I think I might have just got a bit of frostbite!

0:35:270:35:30

Tasmania has got so much to offer, it really has.

0:35:300:35:34

Feeling snow between your toes is slightly different from feeling sand between your toes,

0:35:340:35:38

which most people when they come to Australia would expect. But, yeah, it was invigorating!

0:35:380:35:44

The only downside is it's SO remote.

0:35:440:35:47

You tend to find most Australians have never been to Tasmania, let alone most Brits.

0:35:470:35:53

If it was on my doorstep it wouldn't be as spectacular as it is, I suppose.

0:35:530:35:59

I think Cass's overarching concern about moving to Tas is

0:35:590:36:04

the fact that it's such a long way away that it would cause a problem say if her dad became ill,

0:36:040:36:10

or something happened, it would be a problem to get back in time.

0:36:100:36:14

When we got off the flight in Hobart, I realised just how far Hobart is away from home.

0:36:140:36:19

The journey was so long.

0:36:190:36:22

I spoke to my mum the other day. I was feeling down, and I'm sure we'd be homesick

0:36:220:36:26

for the first few weeks or months, but you've just got to get on with it. It's just one of those things.

0:36:260:36:32

The move for us has to be unanimous. If I can't persuade Cass into being absolutely 100%

0:36:320:36:37

it's not worth coming because it will cause problems within the family,

0:36:370:36:41

and that's the last thing I want. I want the whole family to be happy because it's a joint decision.

0:36:410:36:47

But, yeah, I'm starting to fall in love with it.

0:36:470:36:50

So, Mat is beginning to feel that he could call Tasmania home, but Cass has some grave concerns.

0:36:520:36:58

Will the beauty of the Tasmanian countryside cast its spell over her?

0:36:580:37:02

It's time for the Harrises to vote.

0:37:020:37:04

Do they prefer their lifestyle back in the UK, or in Australia?

0:37:040:37:08

We've had lovely day here in Mt Field National Park.

0:37:080:37:11

It's given us a great idea of the kind of lifestyle we'd have in Tasmania.

0:37:110:37:15

So, I'd say our family vote would be...

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BOTH: Australia!

0:37:170:37:19

After a whirlwind of a week, it's time for the Harrises to confront the reality

0:37:230:37:27

of leaving the UK. Here are some messages from their loved ones back home.

0:37:270:37:32

Right, then, let's see what this is all about.

0:37:320:37:35

-Hi, Cass and Mat.

-Hi, Mum!

-And my little treasure Horatio. Matthew is a great son-in-law.

0:37:350:37:41

He's very supportive of Cassandra and I know she'll always be happy with him.

0:37:410:37:46

Our relationship with Mat is very relaxed. We're always texting each other with silly jokes and things.

0:37:460:37:53

He's got a great sense of humour.

0:37:530:37:55

Mat's someone who's really, really very good at his job

0:37:550:37:58

and Mat's one of the few blokes that I do look up to as a mason

0:37:580:38:03

and good luck to him in Tassie.

0:38:030:38:06

Cassandra is always very happy. She takes life as it comes.

0:38:060:38:09

My relationship with Cass,

0:38:090:38:12

I would describe as really close.

0:38:120:38:15

Like a best friend. I'm getting quite emotional, now!

0:38:150:38:19

And with regards to her moving to Tasmania, I was, like...

0:38:190:38:25

-gobsmacked, really.

-They couldn't go much further, could they?

0:38:250:38:29

It's right at the other end of the earth, but

0:38:290:38:31

it's up to them, isn't it?

0:38:310:38:34

I was obviously very, very pleased for them, but I just thought, God,

0:38:340:38:38

I'd obviously miss them and be upset if they did move away.

0:38:380:38:42

They're part of my routine. It would be very, very sad.

0:38:420:38:47

We'll miss them all, but especially Horatio.

0:38:470:38:50

We'll not see him growing up.

0:38:500:38:52

Not having contact with young Horatio will be a real, real horrible thing.

0:38:520:38:57

We'll miss them, very much so.

0:38:570:39:00

You can't...

0:39:000:39:02

not have one of your best mates near you and not miss them.

0:39:020:39:07

He's a real friend, as well as a son.

0:39:070:39:11

As his godmother, obviously I hope Horatio is doing well.

0:39:110:39:14

I'm missing his cuddles. I'm sure that whatever you decide to do,

0:39:140:39:18

whether to stay on in Tasmania or come back here, I'm sure you'll make the right decision.

0:39:180:39:23

Just follow your dreams, all three of you, and support each other.

0:39:230:39:26

That's all I want for you. All we all want.

0:39:260:39:30

I really envy your chance.

0:39:300:39:32

Please make the most of it and have a really great time.

0:39:320:39:35

We're going to be missing you, but...your opportunity, you take it.

0:39:350:39:40

It will be sad to leave people.

0:39:450:39:48

It's made me mindful of what other people are going to miss about us as a family.

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I think you just think about what moving, the impact it's going to have on us, don't we?

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And seeing that, you realise it's going to have an impact on other people as well.

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People will miss not having Horatio running round and seeing him grow up.

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My old man, I know he'd be really gutted if I went.

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So would my mum, she's already said as much.

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It'll be hard for my dad as well, because he's in a nursing home, so the only time he gets to

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see him anyway is if we take up to the north east. There would be NO way he could ever travel.

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-So, that would be quite hard.

-It's a big... It's a big jump.

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We've still got a few things to iron out...

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..but we'll have a good conversation about it and see what we're going to do.

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That has all come as a bit of a reality check for Mat and Cass and as they prepare to leave for home,

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they reflect on the life-changing decision they're about to make.

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We had a deal before we came that we both had to be 100% sure. So, it has to be 100% from both of us.

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I've yet to 100% make my mind up. There's things I need to consider -

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my friends, family, the financial situation.

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They all need to be looked at independently.

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And seeing messages from loved ones has made them

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aware of the many thousands of miles they are from home.

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It's nice to be able to spend time with your family and your friends.

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Which is something that I might miss. I might miss completely.

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I might come out here and it would be too much.

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The Harrises have spent a busy week on the island state of Tasmania,

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a world away from their home in Leatherhead.

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It's like going back to the Jurassic period, isn't it? It's bizarre!

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Mat discovered that to live there he'd have to take a drop in wages.

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The money is not as much as I hoped, but you just have to economise.

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But this would be offset by the amazing lifestyle Tassie has to offer.

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It's great. It's exactly what we wanted, isn't it?

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I'm starting to fall in love with it.

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As they head towards the biggest decision of their lives, Mat and Cass must weigh up their choices.

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Could Tasmania provide a better standard of living for the family?

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Or will the lower than expected salary mean they'll be heading back to their life in the UK?

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It's crunch time. They're voting for their future, but on which side of the globe will that be?

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We've been to some wonderful places and met some lovely people.

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We've been given a really good idea of what kind of lifestyle we could have out here.

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Work-wise, there seems to be plenty of work for me,

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which will keep us all happy and employed. So, for the Harris family, it's going to be...

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BOTH: Australia!

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Mat felt pretty confident all along that Tasmania held the key

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to the family's future happiness, but in the end the place and its people won Cass over.

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And now they're all set to move where they're Wanted Down Under.

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Stonemasons are on the skills shortage list in Australia, and Mat Harris is tempted to find out more. His chosen destination for a test week is Hobart in Tasmania.

He and his young family are not looking for sun, sea and surf down under, just a better lifestyle and more quality time together. Will Tasmania live up to their expectations?

Nicki Chapman presents.