Clelland Wanted Down Under


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Families sample life 'down under'. Steve Clelland dreams of a better life in New Zealand, with more family time. But his wife Leslie doubts that he can stop working so hard.


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Welcome to Wanted Down Under, the show that catapults a British family

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right across to the other side of the world,

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to help them make the biggest decision of their life -

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whether to stay in the UK or move to New Zealand.

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Steve Clelland has been thinking about emigrating to New Zealand for a better life with his family.

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I wouldn't say I'm not happy here but I'm thinking, "Well, is it time

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"to bite the bullet just now and take it from there?"

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His dream is to stop working for himself and do regular hours so he can spend more time with the family,

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but wife Leslie isn't so sure he can stop working.

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Even if we did make the move, he would end up working for himself,

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and he would put himself to the same hours as he's doing just now.

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The current value of their property comes as a complete shock.

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It's too much of a loss.

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We couldn't afford it. It'd be a waste of time.

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Which means they could only afford something that wife Leslie thinks is a nightmare.

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I would be terrified in here at night. This reminds me of every horror film I ever saw in the '80s.

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The Clellands have some tough choices ahead of them, but what will they decide?

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With its magnificent landscape

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and small population of only four million,

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New Zealand is many people's idea of the perfect place to get away from it all.

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To apply to live in New Zealand as a skilled migrant, you must

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be between the ages of 20 and 55 and be on the skilled shortage list.

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But a move down under is never straightforward.

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We've given another British family the opportunity

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to spend a week down under to see if it's all they've dreamt it would be.

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After that, they'll have to make a decision one way or the other -

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to stay in the UK or to move to New Zealand.

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Steve and Leslie Clelland live with their three children,

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13-year-old Lauren,

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10-year-old Amy and 6-year-old Andrew, in Falkirk, Scotland.

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Steve wants to move his family 12,000 miles away

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to start a new life down under.

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I wouldn't say I'm not happy here,

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but just to get more of an outdoorsy lifestyle.

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It seems like a nice place to go,

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and I'm trying to convince everybody that it's a good idea.

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However, his wife Leslie really isn't sure about making the move.

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We do have a good life here and everything's fine.

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We've got a nice house, we've got nice friends, we've got family,

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and you're cutting your life off to start again,

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and it's not 100 per cent it's going to be the right move,

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and what if it's not?

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It's just... I don't know. I would like a guarantee

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and I don't think you're going to get one.

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Steve is certain that life Down Under would benefit all of them.

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I think that our family unit could have a better life there

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- more peaceful, less stressful,

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more prospects for the kids when they leave school.

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I think there's more there than there is here.

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There's not anything here.

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I think, "Well, is it time to bite the bullet just now

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"while the kids are small enough to make a new life, and take it from there?"

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But 13-year-old daughter Lauren isn't so sure about making the move.

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Well, my feeling is that I don't really want to go.

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I'd like to go and see the place but I don't really want to go

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to live there cos I like my house, and my pals - I'll miss them all.

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And 10-year-old daughter Amy has mixed emotions.

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I'm not the one that really wanted to move to New Zealand.

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I'm fine with it but I'm going to miss all my friends and that.

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Steve is a self-employed refrigeration engineer

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and, as a result, does very long hours every day of the week.

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It is a rat race, and it's a downward-spiral rat race.

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I work as much as physically possible at the moment,

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and you're just staying above water.

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But his work impacts on family time and Steve's had enough.

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It's good to be busy, but the downside is...

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For instance, Andrew, my youngest wee boy - usually when he gets up,

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the first thing he'll ask is, "Is there no work today?"

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I drop him off at school, and then the next time I see him is when I'm

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dropping him off at school the next day, cos they're in bed, they're sleeping by the time I get in.

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Now I'm thinking, "No, they're growing up

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"and I'm missing them growing up,"

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which isn't a nice feeling.

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Although Steve really wants to move,

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he knows it's a huge emotional wrench for the rest of the family.

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I do feel guilty that I've put the idea forward.

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Mainly, at the moment, the kids are

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all happy, Leslie's so close to her family,

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and for me to drag everybody away from that, it is a bit...

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You know, it does get to me a wee bit,

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but I do think it would be worth it.

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And Leslie's caught in the middle as her sister and elderly mother really don't want her to make the move.

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My sister Alison's not happy about it at all.

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Not at all. She's to the point that we've actually had a lot of arguments about it.

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She's more than my sister. She's my best friend and I would miss her.

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There'd be a big hole in my life. And I do think about my mum.

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I do get upset cos my mum's quite elderly now

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and it'd break my heart not being able to see her, but, um...

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I didn't expect that reaction.

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Looks like Steve's got his work cut out.

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To help them make a decision, they're going to the vibrant city of

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Auckland, situated at the northern

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end of New Zealand's North Island.

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Auckland is known as New Zealand's City of Sails

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as it has more yachts per person than any other city in the world.

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It's New Zealand's largest metropolis,

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boasting just over 1.3 million

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people and providing plenty of opportunities

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to enjoy its unspoilt landscape as well as its urban lifestyle.

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We found three possible lifestyles for the Clellands,

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each one offering a brand-new way of life

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for them to try on their budget,

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but which one will be the most suitable?

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Properties are a lot better value in the country.

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Spacious family homes can cost around £280,000,

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so bang on the Clellands' budget.

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But if you want that dream place,

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you'll have to spend an awful lot more.

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Steve's commute to work into central Auckland would be over an hour's drive,

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but there are good transport links for Leslie and the kids to get to the hub of the city,

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as well as schools and outdoor activities on their doorstep.

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So very different from their life in the UK.

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But what about the second option?

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Property prices in the centre have boomed in recent years,

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and the Clellands would have to make do

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with less space than they have in the UK.

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This four-bedroomed property is on the market for just over £500,000,

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too much for the Clellands,

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but they could look to the nearby suburbs

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where houses are plentiful,

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from high-rise living to spacious family homes.

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Steve would have a short commute to work,

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which would mean more time spent together as a family.

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That all looks very inviting, but what about the third option?

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The beautiful coastline would allow the Clellands

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to live an active lifestyle that they're looking for.

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There are plenty of houses with great living spaces along the coast,

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but those sea views don't necessarily come cheap,

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like this one at over £500,000.

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Moving slightly further inland, however,

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would provide them with good-sized family homes for affordable prices.

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The commute for Steve could be an easy 20 minutes,

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and schools as well as watersport activities are on their doorstep.

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Three very different options there, all of them life-changing.

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So where did we decide to send our family?

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We've decided the beach option is the most suitable for the Clellands.

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It'll provide them with a good mix of coastal living as well as

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opportunities to find spacious family houses within budget.

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For their trial week, we've lined up a job for Steve.

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Just jump up and have a look at it. See what's going on.

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-They'll sample housing options in Arkles Bay...

-I'll just stay here. That's me.

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I've moved. I don't need any more.

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I even like the furniture! LAUGHTER

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And they'll get a real taste of New Zealand life.

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I love it. I think it's great. A beautiful place.

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But they have a tough week ahead of them as they try to make the biggest decision of their lives.

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I don't want you to go.

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The Clellands are finally making the trip Steve's dreamt of for years.

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The journey takes them 12,000 miles

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and across three continents from Falkirk to New Zealand.

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And 32 hours later they reach Auckland, jet-lagged but excited.

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Very long, very long, but it was fine.

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The kids were really, really good. I'm really proud of them all.

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I'm looking forward to going out and seeing the place.

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I've heard about it so many times and I've read so much about it,

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but this is our chance to see it now, so looking forward to that.

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Time to see what New Zealand's got in store for them.

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It's the first time any of the Clellands have ever been to New Zealand,

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and they'll be staying in the coastal suburb of Red Beach, 15 miles from Auckland central.

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The house has four bedrooms with stunning views of the Pacific Ocean.

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There's a huge open-plan living area, including a kitchen,

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and enough rooms for the kids to choose their own.

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So what will they make of it all?

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Look at that, Andrew. Look at that view.

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Oh, look at the view, Leslie.

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That's the wow factor.

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It's stunning.

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-Dead open plan, isn't it?

-That's another wee sitting room.

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OK, we'll take it! CHUCKLING

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Wow! Does that mean Leslie's already been convinced

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to make the move down under?

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It's lovely.

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-Can this be my room?

-No.

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No, this is Mum and Dad's room, no!

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Look at the view, Steven. Stunning.

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-So is that an actual beach down there, yeah?

-Aye.

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So it is.

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That's amazing. It's lovely. Absolutely lovely.

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I'm quite impressed with what I've seen so far.

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It is lovely, really nice, but whether or not I could live here

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is another matter altogether, so I don't know.

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I'm really impressed. I think it's beautiful, absolutely beautiful.

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At the moment, they all hate me,

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because they're all tired and I've dragged them

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to the other side of the world, so we'll wait

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and see once they wake up tomorrow when they've had a good sleep, and then we can

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start exploring the place and find out what the place is about, and hopefully we'll get some smiles.

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Let's hope so, Steve, or you've got a long week ahead of you.

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Back in the UK, the Clellands live in a large five-bedroomed detached

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house in Falkirk and, if they make the move to New Zealand, they would want something of a similar size.

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They bought it for £305,000 in 2008.

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If they can get what they paid for it, then they would have £180,000 equity towards a New Zealand home.

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Steve wants a smaller mortgage this time round

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and wants to keep it below £100,000,

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but spacious properties with a sea view aren't cheap,

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so could they really afford that dream home?

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They're starting their search in Arkles Bay

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that looks over the Weiti River.

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Property one is a four-bedroomed detached house

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in the sleepy part of the bay.

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It's on the market for £246,000,

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which is good news for the Clellands

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as it would potentially mean they'd only have to get a £34,000 mortgage.

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And they're meeting up with local estate agent Phil Currie.

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-Not too bad. How's yourself?

-And how are you?

-Hi, I'm fine.

-Good. How are your kids?

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First up is the garage which, to be honest,

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looks like it could do with a bit of a clear-up.

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Come in here, guys, and have a look.

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As it stands now, you've got two garages,

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both with auto garage-door openers.

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You can make this like a studio flat for people coming to visit.

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-Yeah.

-You're a brave man, Steve,

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but I'm not so sure Leslie's quite as convinced.

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Let's hope the upstairs is more impressive.

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All the rooms are on one floor

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and it has an open-plan kitchen-lounge area.

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It's not a huge living area.

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Yeah.

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It's modern. It is modern what they've done.

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They've made the best of the space they've got.

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Maybe so, but it feels a little cramped,

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especially for a family of five.

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It's got character, I'll give it that.

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Let's hope the master bedroom is better,

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but will the size be enough to impress Leslie?

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-It's a nice size in here.

-Yeah, it is a good size.

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Walk-in wardrobe, of course, and en-suite.

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That's a good size as well.

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-Nice big shower.

-Mm.

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That's fine. It's a good size.

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It's all right, but no-one seems that convinced with the interiors.

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Maybe the views will win them over.

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-A good view.

-Yeah.

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And it's private.

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It's quite quiet here.

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Well, they like bits of the house,

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but they hardly seem bowled over by property one.

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Yet if they really want a smaller mortgage as well as a beautiful view then they can't be so picky.

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But what do they honestly think about this property?

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-It's a good house, but not for us with kids.

-No, I don't get the feel.

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It's just not me, just...

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No, I would be terrified in here at night.

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It just reminds me of every horror film I ever saw in the '80s.

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-We'll be going home if we get this!

-I would not move for this at all.

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This wouldn't...

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-No.

-No.

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Oh, no! House-hunting definitely isn't convincing Leslie that this move is a good idea, and Steve isn't

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too impressed either, but on their budget they might struggle to fulfil their aspirations.

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However, we've got something up our sleeve that might just fit the bill,

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and it's just five minutes' drive away

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in the busier part of Arkles Bay.

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Wow! This looks much more up their street.

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Surely this property is going to be over their budget.

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Estate agent Norma is there to meet them.

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-Hi, I'm Norma.

-I'm Steven.

-Hiya, Steven. Love the accent.

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Property two is a four-bedroomed detached house on a large plot, 660 square metres in size.

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It's a stone's throw from the beach, and although you can't see the sea,

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it has great views of the valley below.

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It's exactly on budget at £280,000.

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First, it's upstairs to the living area.

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Straightaway, Leslie seems much happier.

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-This is lovely.

-It's a beautiful home.

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I like this open plan. It's really, really lovely.

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And it's even got the all-important separate study area for workaholic Steve.

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Give Steven a separate study so that, again, you're not stuck in a wee room out the way.

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Well, looks like we might have a winner on our hands already,

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and Norma's got some other potentially good news.

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There's a lot of British families up this road, actually.

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My sister lives up there. She's Scottish.

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-It's a nice big park, kids' park.

-It is, and they're probably quite safe

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to go on their own because you can see them from here, can't you?

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Next up is the main lounge.

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-Really good size.

-Oh, this is fantastic.

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What a size this is.

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-This is great, with a proper fire. Yeah.

-You've got this...

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This in the afternoon is just smothered with sun.

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It's just absolutely gorgeous.

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This house just seems to be getting better and better.

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What will they make of the views?

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-Oh, no, it's absolutely gorgeous.

-Isn't it gorgeous?

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Yeah, and it's got a really... I love the drive as well,

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because it's like the horseshoe drive - drive in and out.

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Oh, no, this is really lovely, Steven.

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I'll just stay here. You can all go.

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That's me, I've moved! I don't need any more.

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I even like the furniture!

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Wow, that's fantastic news!

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They've hardly been in New Zealand for five minutes, and already Leslie's had a change of heart.

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It looks like she's moving in.

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Will the bedrooms also be what she's looking for?

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There are four, two downstairs and two upstairs, all a good size.

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But what will Leslie think of the master bedroom?

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This is the master bedroom, and we've got the en-suite

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-and the walk-in wardrobe, so have a wee look in here.

-Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Surely this is too good to be true,

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but the small garden looks like it could pose a problem for Steve.

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-You want more garden than this, though, don't you?

-Mmm.

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It is a sun-trap here.

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Yeah. You will probably lose the sun a little bit in the afternoon,

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and summertime it's really nice not to have the sun in the back cos it does get very hot.

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-It's a stunning house, absolutely stunning.

-It's gorgeous.

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I think Norma is already preaching to the converted when it comes to Leslie,

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but she may also have a solution to the lack of garden space for Steve.

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Wow.

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Nice big garage.

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Oh, Steven!

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This would be the playroom.

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Yeah, put a computer in the corner.

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-It gives you the idea of what you can have.

-Yeah.

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Not that you're getting one! LAUGHTER

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Well, looks like Leslie might already be sold on New Zealand property, but how do the girls feel?

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I like the house but I wouldn't live in it cos I don't really want to live here.

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I would like to live in New Zealand cos it looks like a nice place, but I can't really make my mind up.

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The girls are divided, but what did both Leslie and Steve think about property two?

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Yeah, I'd move in there today!

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But that's because I don't want to do the journey back home!

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I would, I would live in there in a minute. That is gorgeous.

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That is my ideal house. That is what I would...

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I like the open plan of it all.

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I've always said that's really, really nice.

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It's a proper family home. It's a nice feeling.

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It had a nice warm feeling to it.

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-I would prefer a bigger garden.

-I definitely would like a garden, but it's lovely, though.

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Beautiful house, though.

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It is a beautiful house, but it does have certain drawbacks.

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But every house does.

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You always compromise on something.

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The living area is just...is to die for.

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So a potential winner for Leslie, but Steve's the driving force for making the move to New Zealand,

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and he wasn't convinced by property one or two.

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If he's already got misgivings on New Zealand homes, will it make

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him change his mind about making the move down under?

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Before he can make that decision, Norma's got one more property.

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Let's hope it will suit all their needs.

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Property three is just two minutes up the road,

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so they know they'll like the area.

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Again, it's a four-bedroomed house,

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but this time it's on a slightly larger plot of land.

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It's over their budget at £304,000

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but, if it's what they all want, then it might be worth it.

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First port of call is the teenager pad.

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-It's huge and Lauren could have plenty of mates to sleep over.

-Wow.

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What do you think of this, Lauren?

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It's a nice little lounge cos this opens up on its own.

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Ah, this is lovely. This is really nice, isn't it?

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-Yeah.

-As a teenager's room.

-It's a really good teenager's...

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Or as a wee granny annexe.

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So there's plenty of room downstairs, and the upstairs seems to have lots of space too,

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-with an open-plan kitchen-diner and lounge area.

-So come on up and have a wee look.

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A nice bit of walnut.

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OK, have a look at the kitchen first.

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That's lovely.

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Look at the view. Wow.

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And the deck. The deck's nice.

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-That's lovely.

-There's just a lot of family room in here.

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It's lovely.

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-It's a lovely house, this one.

-It is, isn't it?

-Isn't it?

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It's a beautiful home.

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-And it's so well...

-You get a lot of house for your money, don't you?

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-Aye.

-You do get a lot of house for your money.

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And it's very stylish. It's lovely.

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That's potentially great news.

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Steve's already liking this property.

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Will the rest of the interior live up to his expectations?

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-So this is the son's room.

-Andrew's room. That's a good size.

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It's a great-sized room. Andrew, do you like this room?

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Yeah, I love it.

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Good to see Andrew's on board too, and down the corridor,

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there's another bedroom for Amy,

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as well as the all-important master bedroom for Steve and Leslie.

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This is the master suite with another en-suite in here.

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This is lovely. It's a lovely room.

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It's beautiful, and with entrance way onto the deck.

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-It's a lovely bed.

-Yeah. Nice big wardrobe.

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Wow, look at that.

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-That's great.

-A whole set of cupboards over there.

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Outside decking is a popular feature of New Zealand homes, and they don't

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come much nicer than this, but what will Steve make of it all?

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This is the nice entertaining area.

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It's really lovely cos it's got indoor-outdoor flow

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from the family room, so if you are barbecuing or something...

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And it's a fabulous area just to...

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This is a bit of a...

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-It's really warm, yeah.

-Some view from here as well.

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The deck goes right the way round the whole...right the way round to the lounge.

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-So what do you think of this house?

-Oh, this one's stunning.

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That's what I thought a New Zealand house would be like.

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-It's nice, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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-I didn't like the...

-Would you move for this?

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Aye, possibly.

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Well, looks like the Clellands have found their ideal home, but it's beyond their budget.

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By how much depends on how much they'll make on their UK house.

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But for now, how will they vote on property?

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Right, what do you prefer - Scottish houses or New Zealand houses?

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New Zealand.

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After seeing all the houses we saw today, I think,

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well, the houses in New Zealand have a lot more character than

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the ones in the UK which are just big boxes,

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so I'm going to choose New Zealand.

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The houses we've seen today, the New Zealand houses,

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they all seem to be bright and airy, loads of space.

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There's definitely better value for money than what we get

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in the UK, so I'd have to vote for New Zealand.

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So, finally, with Leslie not sure that New Zealand is for her, how will she vote?

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Seeing what we've seen today on the houses, they're all really nice and,

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between Scotland and New Zealand, I think I prefer New Zealand houses.

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But if all they could afford would be property one,

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would they be so sure?

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The Clellands want to spend more time together as a family,

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and hope the move down under will help them achieve this,

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but will Leslie be won over

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by what the New Zealand lifestyle has to offer?

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After a successful property day, Steve is keen to keep the family

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on side and show them the kind of activities that New Zealand

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can offer them, so they're off kayaking on the Puhoi River.

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Suited and booted, it's time for a taste of the New Zealand outdoors,

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but not everyone's looking forward to it.

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Andrew, are you feeling a little bit nervous?

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-Yeah.

-Just a little bit.

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Lauren takes to kayaking like a duck to water,

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but Andrew's nerves have got the better of him.

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-I'm quite scared!

-Andrew, you're OK.

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Just go over to Lauren, and then we'll come back and see how you feel. OK?

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Well, this trip might get called off before it's even started.

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Look, Lauren's trying.

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Kayaking is so scary!

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Why don't we put Mum in?

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There, how gentle's that?

0:25:040:25:06

With the rest of the family safely out on the water and

0:25:080:25:11

no croc in sight, Andrew finally agrees to go out on the river.

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And surprise, surprise, Andrew is actually enjoying himself, and

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it's good for Leslie to see the kids having such a great time with Steve.

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Steven's a great dad. He really loves spending time with them, but they just don't get as much time.

0:25:330:25:38

Lauren's getting older, that she's not going to want to spend any time with us, let alone with her dad.

0:25:380:25:44

He needs to be here now. He definitely does.

0:25:440:25:47

Andrew, he really needs him now and Steven knows that.

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I don't like to say too much too him because he feels quite guilty enough,

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and if I have a go, then it's just making him feel even worse.

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My arms are killing me!

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That may be so, Andrew, but Steve's always looked

0:26:020:26:04

forward to this sort of outdoor activity along with the family.

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It's lovely, and it's not too warm,

0:26:080:26:12

it's just nice, and there's no midges, which is really unheard of.

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Whenever you get even a slightest bit of a warm day in Scotland,

0:26:180:26:21

you're covered with midges and you can't go out.

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I love it. I think it's great.

0:26:230:26:25

Even Lauren's like this, "Beautiful. Beautiful place."

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So it seems everyone is happy, and Steve's

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job of convincing them all that life in New Zealand will be better

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is going to be a piece of cake.

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If I moved here, I'd miss my friends,

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so I really don't want to move here.

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Ah, so Andrew isn't quite convinced.

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But what about wife Leslie?

0:26:460:26:48

It's really nice and very relaxing.

0:26:480:26:51

Even going out in the car, you're not sitting in loads of traffic

0:26:510:26:55

and...it just feels really chilled.

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-Sounds like she would be willing to make the move.

-I would do it.

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It's just family. I just...

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I think I'd miss my family too much.

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Possibly you could come home and say, "Right, yeah, that's it, we're going to move."

0:27:050:27:08

But then, when I got home,

0:27:080:27:11

I would..."No, I can't do it."

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Oh, dear, Steve. Do you ever get that feeling that you're stuck up a certain creek without a paddle?

0:27:130:27:19

Well, it sounds like a lot more hard work is needed to get

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Andrew and Leslie to agree to make the move to New Zealand,

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but as the kayaking trip comes to an end,

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which way will they vote, UK or New Zealand?

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There's a lot of things you can do in Falkirk,

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but most of it's weather permitting.

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We don't get much good weather

0:27:360:27:38

that you can actually go outside and do anything,

0:27:380:27:42

whereas in New Zealand there is a lot more to do,

0:27:420:27:45

the weather's better on the whole,

0:27:450:27:47

so on that note, I would say New Zealand.

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I'll pick New Zealand.

0:27:510:27:54

I pick New Zealand.

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I like the kayaking and I like the house,

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so I think I would choose New Zealand.

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This is potentially great news.

0:28:030:28:05

Looks like Steve has finally got all the children on board,

0:28:050:28:09

but will Leslie also be convinced by what New Zealand has to offer?

0:28:090:28:12

Just at the moment, I'll keep my options open

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and I shall choose Falkirk.

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Traitor!

0:28:180:28:20

It's actually better than I thought.

0:28:200:28:23

I've only got one to convince.

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Back in Scotland, Steve is a self-employed

0:28:300:28:33

refrigeration engineer, giving himself a salary of £40,000 a year.

0:28:330:28:38

He set the business up with wife Leslie in 1999 and, although he

0:28:380:28:43

loves his work, the hours take their toll on his family life.

0:28:430:28:47

I drop the kids off at school at nine,

0:28:470:28:49

and then my working day's till nine, ten o'clock at night,

0:28:490:28:52

eleven o'clock at night.

0:28:520:28:54

Sometimes, I've not been in till three, four in morning.

0:28:540:28:56

After ten years of self-employment, Steve has realised that there are

0:28:560:29:00

more important things in life

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and is looking to New Zealand for the answer.

0:29:020:29:05

In Britain, it seems to be you just work, that's it. Work, work, work.

0:29:050:29:08

And when you finish your work, there's more work and there's

0:29:080:29:10

no let up for it, whereas in New Zealand, Australia and places like that, they seem to be more,

0:29:100:29:15

"Well, no, we'll do it tomorrow because it's finished for today.

0:29:150:29:20

"We're at home, we're at family time,"

0:29:200:29:22

which you don't get here. It just doesn't exist.

0:29:220:29:25

-See you later. You be good for Mum?

-Yeah.

-Yeah? Good boy.

0:29:260:29:30

Steve is looking forward to experiencing work in NZ

0:29:300:29:33

but Leslie still has reservations.

0:29:330:29:35

If the work's not there for him and he's not going to enjoy it, then we

0:29:370:29:39

can't afford it and then that's basically where it stops.

0:29:390:29:42

And because Steve won't be self-employed

0:29:420:29:45

if they move down under, she's worried about his salary.

0:29:450:29:49

Can he work for someone else after so long?

0:29:490:29:51

So are we going to be able to still afford the lifestyle we have on his wages?

0:29:510:29:56

Yep, we'll see how it goes, see how it goes today.

0:29:560:29:59

If the work pans out what I think it should or it could,

0:30:000:30:04

then I will be convinced.

0:30:040:30:05

It's just a matter of trying to convince everybody else.

0:30:050:30:08

You don't want to move to the other side of the world,

0:30:080:30:11

then be worse off, obviously.

0:30:110:30:13

So, today's quite an important day.

0:30:130:30:15

It's quite exciting, going to see what it's all about.

0:30:150:30:18

Quite looking forward to it.

0:30:180:30:20

So Steve is meeting up with Matthew to see what the hours and pay are

0:30:210:30:25

like for refrigeration engineers in New Zealand.

0:30:250:30:28

If he can't achieve what he wants from his job, then he might change

0:30:280:30:32

his mind about making the move down under altogether.

0:30:320:30:35

-Matthew!

-Steven.

-I'm Steven.

-Pleased to meet you.

0:30:380:30:41

And it's straight down to business,

0:30:410:30:43

as potential boss Matthew lets Steve

0:30:430:30:45

know what he can expect to earn in New Zealand.

0:30:450:30:47

From an hourly-rate point of view, a good fridgie in New Zealand is

0:30:470:30:51

earning mid to late 30s. Dollars an hour, that is.

0:30:510:30:55

So you're paid on a wage as opposed to a salary,

0:30:550:30:59

so working roughly 40-45 hours a week.

0:30:590:31:03

That news is OK as Steve's basic New Zealand salary would be £35,000,

0:31:030:31:07

less than what he earns back in Scotland,

0:31:070:31:10

but he could make it up with some overtime.

0:31:100:31:13

Just how much overtime he's willing to take on is the burning question

0:31:130:31:17

as he could end up being back at square one,

0:31:170:31:20

working long hours and not having any time for his family.

0:31:200:31:23

We have a call-out roster where engineers take turns on being

0:31:230:31:27

on after-hours call, and those guys generally work 45-50 hours a week.

0:31:270:31:33

In Scotland, they're about 12, 13 hours a day, call-out 24/7. Seven days.

0:31:330:31:40

You're always on call-out, which really annoys Leslie.

0:31:400:31:45

But, no, that sounds good. That sounds really good.

0:31:450:31:47

-OK, let's go.

-After a quick run-down, Matthew wants to know what skills Steve has, so he's going to put

0:31:470:31:53

him straight in at the deep end and sends him out on site for his first job with manager Ray.

0:31:530:31:58

-Ray, I'll introduce you to Steve.

-Hi, Steve. Nice to meet you.

0:31:580:32:02

-I thought you might be able to show Steve a site.

-Thanks, Matthew.

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As he sets off for a hard day's work, the rest of the family are across the other side of the city.

0:32:070:32:13

Although Leslie found her dream home,

0:32:160:32:18

she still has strong misgivings about starting up a life

0:32:180:32:21

in New Zealand, and she wants to get a sense of Auckland,

0:32:210:32:25

so she and the children are off to take in the city

0:32:250:32:27

at the top of Auckland's famous landmark, the Sky Tower.

0:32:270:32:31

It's the tallest man-made structure in New Zealand and stands at 328 metres,

0:32:310:32:36

or just over 1,000 feet.

0:32:360:32:39

Oh, my God! THEY GASP

0:32:390:32:41

That was scary!

0:32:440:32:46

On a clear day, you can see nearly 50 miles in all directions at the top of the tower.

0:32:460:32:51

It's quite good up here. You can see for miles.

0:32:520:32:55

You can see the harbour and all the boats.

0:32:550:32:58

Amenities like this are important for Leslie who grew up in Glasgow.

0:32:580:33:02

I enjoyed the city when I was young and I think, for them,

0:33:030:33:07

you do need somewhere like this to come when you're younger.

0:33:070:33:10

But she's still not sure that what she'll be trading in will provide them with anything better.

0:33:100:33:16

It's got what anywhere else has got, really.

0:33:160:33:19

It's just a bit different from what we're used to.

0:33:190:33:22

And her thoughts also turn to Steve and his attitude to work.

0:33:220:33:26

He's not a nine to five person.

0:33:260:33:28

He likes to think he's a nine to five person, but he's not.

0:33:280:33:31

I think, even if he did make the move, he would end up working for

0:33:310:33:35

himself, and he'd put himself to the same hours as he's doing just now.

0:33:350:33:39

Part of me does think he thinks if we move, that'll be it,

0:33:390:33:42

everything will change and it'll be...

0:33:420:33:45

You know, he'll be happier and he'll be more relaxed.

0:33:450:33:48

I think that has to be...

0:33:480:33:50

I think he has to do that himself.

0:33:500:33:52

I don't think his environment will change that.

0:33:520:33:54

I think he has to do that himself.

0:33:540:33:56

She's also feeling the pressure from family back home.

0:33:560:33:58

In a way, maybe I'm not wanting to like it too much,

0:33:580:34:02

and have that much...

0:34:020:34:03

..negativity and that much guilt put on me from the rest of my family

0:34:040:34:09

that I'm not going to do it, and I don't want to have

0:34:090:34:11

to be stopped from doing something I want to do.

0:34:110:34:14

It's a really tough decision for Leslie,

0:34:140:34:17

but she knows that she and Steve need a change.

0:34:170:34:20

Perhaps it's just a question of taking a leap of faith

0:34:200:34:23

to make the move down under.

0:34:230:34:25

Meanwhile, Steve and Ray have turned up on site.

0:34:320:34:35

-They were just complaining about a burning smell in here.

-Right.

0:34:350:34:38

So I don't know if you want to just jump up and have a look at it, see what's going on there?

0:34:380:34:42

And Ray's decided that Steve's got to get his hands dirty.

0:34:420:34:45

It's straight down to work under his watchful eye.

0:34:450:34:48

Good news for Steve - all this stuff looks very familiar.

0:34:510:34:56

-It's the same equipment.

-Yeah.

-It's strange.

0:34:560:34:59

-It's the other side of the world and it's the exact same equipment.

-It's amazing.

0:34:590:35:03

-Yeah.

-WHIRRING

0:35:060:35:07

Yeah, well, that solved that one.

0:35:070:35:10

So far, so good.

0:35:100:35:12

Steve looks like he's impressed Ray.

0:35:120:35:16

I think he's very confident and I think he'll do very well

0:35:160:35:18

because he's got a good, positive attitude.

0:35:180:35:20

He enjoys what he does which is a seriously good thing.

0:35:200:35:24

That's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a bit of experience as well.

0:35:240:35:28

He's got a bit of experience so that's all advantage, you know. That's really cool.

0:35:280:35:32

He'd be sought after when he comes out, there's no doubt.

0:35:350:35:37

He'll have a problem. He'll have to be careful.

0:35:370:35:39

Everyone will want him!

0:35:390:35:41

It seems that Steve can't put a foot wrong, so how would he really find working for somebody else?

0:35:410:35:47

It would be hard to get used to cos I've worked for myself for 12 years now.

0:35:470:35:51

So, I thought I would be more nervous,

0:35:510:35:54

but I was actually really looking forward to it.

0:35:540:35:57

Yeah, you make mistakes. Yeah, of course I would, but you learn. You learn by your mistakes.

0:35:570:36:02

But thoughts of Leslie worrying about leaving family behind play on Steve's mind.

0:36:020:36:07

Leslie would prefer to be back home.

0:36:070:36:09

That's a family issue.

0:36:090:36:11

But I wouldn't drag anybody kicking and screaming

0:36:110:36:14

across the other side of the world.

0:36:140:36:17

They have to agree that this is what they want,

0:36:170:36:19

and if everybody's in agreement, then I'll pack my bags.

0:36:190:36:22

I would pack everything up and move everything over.

0:36:220:36:25

But now, how will he vote on working in the refrigeration business New Zealand style?

0:36:250:36:31

All our experiences today on the work side of things,

0:36:310:36:34

the equipment's pretty much exactly what I'm used to,

0:36:340:36:37

but what is missing is all the stress involved that you

0:36:370:36:40

get at home in the rat race, so, on that, I would choose...

0:36:400:36:44

..New Zealand.

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Moving to New Zealand would involve massive financial

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as well as emotional decisions for the Clellands.

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They'd need to take into account the cost of living in Auckland,

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as well as what they'd make on their house in the UK.

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Their home is a five-bedroom property which they bought in 2008

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for £305,000.

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We sent round three local estate agents to give their opinion

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on what they think it's worth in the current market.

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'Very nice, wee bit crowded.'

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It's not crowded.

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Nice glossy tiled floor. Very nice.

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It sets off the glossy white units.

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Good contrast.

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Nice little dining area looking out over the countryside.

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Excellent.

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Good storage space...

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plenty cupboards.

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Quite a tight plot for the size of house, but well maintained.

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It's a very flexible downstairs apartment, used as a family room.

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Perhaps a little small for a dining room, however,

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but nonetheless, very well presented.

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Excellent size of master bedroom, well proportioned.

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Larger window formation lets in natural light.

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En-suite shower room.

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Very stylish en-suite shower room with larger shower base, thermostatic

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shower, fitted storage, ceramic-tiled floor. Wonderful.

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Shoe holding the door.

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Now, third level.

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Double bedroom,

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Internet access.

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Nice sky window. Very nice.

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This is a very good-sized family house, it's on three

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levels, it's five bedrooms, four bathrooms, parking outside.

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Reasonable-sized back garden with stunning views.

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So, I would value this property at £249,000.

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For a quick sale... probably about 239.

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For a quick sale, you'd probably be looking at round about 240.

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The property would have an open market value realistically stated within £225,000 to £230,000.

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It may achieve slightly more than that

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with the correct buyer and demand for the property.

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However, the property market, as we're all aware, has suffered

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and struggled, particularly in the centre of the market

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where there's an over-supply of new-build properties of this type.

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Forced sale, we'd perhaps recommend offers over £215,000.

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No chance.

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This has come as a massive shock.

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They paid £305,000 for their property in 2008,

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and they've made a potential loss of around £55,000 plus.

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If we did want to move, then we doubt we could sell just now.

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It's just not the right time.

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The market is getting better, but obviously we couldn't...

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That would be taking too much of a loss.

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It makes it a little bit harder to move, I think,

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if the house prices don't go up.

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But we'll just need to wait and see how things go.

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It is a bit of a slap in the face, though, when you think...

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I've said from the very beginning,

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when Steven started talking about emigrating,

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that it would depend on the house, and at that point,

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that's when everything took a downward spiral.

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And it all really depends on the house.

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I wouldn't sell it if we were going to take a loss.

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It's too much of a loss. We couldn't afford it.

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It would be a waste of time.

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Aw, with that crushing news,

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Steven and Leslie are going to have to do their sums.

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Is a move to New Zealand going to be possible at all?

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We've prepared a comparison of their UK and New Zealand expenses

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to see if they can afford a life down under

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despite their loss of equity.

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I'm actually really deflated at the moment.

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The cost of the house, it's just totally depressed me,

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and that is a big issue to me.

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If we don't get what we want for the house, then we can't do it anyway.

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The reason we have that house and we have that mortgage is because you

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work for yourself and because you can earn the money you earn.

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Get a mortgage of 81,000...

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It brings your equity down a bit, then you find that you're going

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to be 50,000 less for your house than you thought.

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So if that's all your house is worth, then obviously you're not going to have...

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Instead of 180, it's going to be 130,

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so that changes everything drastically.

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Let's say the salary in equivalent pounds

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would be between 33,000 and 38,000,

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and you've got the option of working overtime.

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-What's the mortgage, actually?

-Between 594 and 1,000.

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Electricity...

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-That's in there.

-At home...

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£842 a month.

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-We'd still get a mortgage for 20 years?

-Aye.

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Would you want to start with another 20-year mortgage?

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I know.

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Council tax 203.

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-Aye.

-Groceries - monthly shop.

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£600 a month, wouldn't it be?

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We're not going to stop eating just because we've moved,

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so I would keep it the same.

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I think the food bill's going to be roughly the same.

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I think it'll even itself out.

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Council tax 76.

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2,328 per month.

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It's working out £200 cheaper per month to live here than it is at home.

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The cost of living seems to be cheaper in New Zealand.

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However, they could lose £55,000 on the sale of their UK home.

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Does this mean Steve might not be willing to make the move?

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It's still something I want for the kids and for us.

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It's still a good thing.

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Um...it just makes it a little bit harder

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to walk straight into something.

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It's going to be a wee bit more difficult.

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Steve, Leslie and the children are going to the pub

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to meet up with another Steven who recently emigrated to New Zealand.

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-This is Leslie, this is Andrew, this is Lauren and this is Amy.

-Hiya, pleased to meet you.

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He's built up a solid group of Kiwi mates as well as some fellow Brits

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who've also made the move.

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Hopefully, they can make our family feel at home, and answer a few questions into the bargain.

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So, are you settling in OK, then, yeah?

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I feel like I've never left England. I feel like I'm back home.

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-Even the accents aren't that different.

-Yeah.

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There's times I walk around and have to remind myself, "I'm in New Zealand now."

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While Steve gets the drinks in, Leslie is finding out about

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how easy it would be for the children to fit in.

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So how did you find the schools?

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Kara was 10, 11 when she moved over here and she really enjoys it.

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It's really easy to make friends cos everyone's so nice.

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They're just so welcoming.

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She makes friends really easily. She's always made friends.

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You're quite a friendly person, so... And Amy's the same.

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And Andrew just doesn't stop talking, so everybody loves Andrew.

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Andrew's already found a new pal.

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They're getting on like a house on fire.

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New mate from New Zealand.

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One from New Zealand, three from Scotland.

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It just seems a friendlier place. Everybody you meet's got a smile on their face.

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I'd like the kids to grow into this, you know, and start their lives like this,

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and hopefully they wouldn't have all the rat race and the roundabout that we've had.

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I would say there's a turnaround from before we left

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when it was a definite no, they don't even want to get on the plane.

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Hoe many friends do you have?

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Whereas now, they are,

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"No, this is a good thing that we could be doing."

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So, as long as we keep everything... and I keep them

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interested in it, I'd say there's a good chance we could do this.

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Although Leslie's starting to really like the place

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and has warmed to the people,

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she's still struggling with the thoughts of leaving

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friends and family back in the UK.

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If we sold up and we moved here and we had everything here, you could have the same sort of lifestyle.

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It's such a big sacrifice in order to have that.

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You're just losing all your family and that's just...

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-You're not losing family.

-You are, really, cos they're not going to talk to us!

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But Steve feels differently to Leslie.

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You cannae sit in your own wee life back where you were

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just because of friends and family.

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You've got to do what's right for your wee family unit.

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Leaving loved ones behind is always going to be hard, but

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the prospect of making new friends in New Zealand might make it easier.

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-How do they feel?

-After three...

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One...

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two...

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three.

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Ah, three against two. We win.

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Turn up for the books.

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All week, the Clelland family have been

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undecided about the move down under.

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Will hearing messages from friends and family back home

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help them make that final decision?

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We've given them a DVD to watch.

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-Hiya.

-Hi, how are you all doing?

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Steven's still my little lad.

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He works hard. He's a very hard worker.

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He worries me at times, how hard he does work.

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He looks after his family, he'll do anything for anybody.

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If he can do it, he'll do it for you.

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He's just a nice guy.

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Leslie's...she's quite family-orientated.

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She's quite keen to keep her family happy. She's a good mother.

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She's quite a good laugh.

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She's quite funny, quite witty. She's a good sister.

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She is. She's always there to listen to you and talk to you and we kind of bounce off each other sometimes.

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She's always good. She's always there for you.

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Sometimes she'll come through and take me to the shopping centre,

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get my shopping and that, you know, and keep me going.

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Oh, she's brilliant.

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She's just like one of my own.

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We've always got on, and I think the world of her.

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Lauren is a comedian.

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She is, she's a comedian.

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She can have you laughing.

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She's really fun and she's a really good friend,

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so I don't really want her to move to New Zealand.

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I like just calling for her and

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just having her around and going to school with her and...

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She's dead popular. Really, really popular.

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Amy's a thinker.

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You always know when Amy's looking at you,

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she's trying to size you up and trying to figure you out, you know!

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Andrew is...

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Andrew is so funny. He's just so funny.

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He's a really clever wee boy. He picks up things really quickly

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and I think he's going to be quite bright.

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Leslie's not got really anybody

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over there because, if she's here,

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she can fall her back on her mum,

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my mum, the sisters, myself.

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So I think she's thinking she'll be quite lonely over there.

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I think she's a wee bit frightened that she might like it.

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It's so far away, it's not as if you can jump on a bus

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and come away for the weekend!

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It'd be a long time. It's a long...

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It's far away.

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Too far away. Don't like it at all.

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But when it comes down to it, you've got to do what you really want to do.

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There's always going to be something that you don't want to leave.

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But it's whether she's going to be strong enough or willing to do that,

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and that's all going to be down to them, really.

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But from my point of view, I probably wouldn't want her to go, no.

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I wouldn't like to think that they're not going to be here.

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I've never really experienced any of my children and grandchildren

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being away apart from like a holiday.

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And...I don't know how I would feel. I don't want them to go.

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You're going to have me bubbling.

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Hi, Lauren, I hope you're having a nice time in New Zealand.

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I'm missing you lots and I really don't want you to move there, cos you're such a good friend.

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Erm...bye!

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If it was me, I would just go for it.

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If you want to do it, this is the time to do it.

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And if you do it, good luck and best wishes.

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I miss you. I wish you were here.

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I don't want you to go.

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I'll be lost without you.

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I'll miss you loads. You know I will.

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And...and before I start crying again,

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I'm going to say...take care, I love youse all.

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Bye.

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Is it sad to see Nan on the telly and Gran?

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I suppose it is... It's always going to be.

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You'd do most things but you don't want to hurt anybody, you don't want to make anybody upset.

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I hate to do it and I'd hate to upset anybody

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but...at the end of the day, if that's what we want to do,

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then, you know...

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You will... You can talk to them on the phone, you can...

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go on the webcams and talk to them pretty much every day if you wanted.

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It's just, you're not going to be in the same room, that's all.

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-But...

-Like seeing my sister,

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cos we spend a lot of time together at the weekends

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and we go shopping and she pops in, and I wouldn't have that.

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And we are very close cos we are a small family, so we've always been a close family.

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We just can't please everybody so someone's got to suffer, so...I don't know.

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Aw, that's the hardest part.

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For Leslie, it's always been about whether she can leave her family.

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The Clellands' week in Auckland has been an emotional roller-coaster.

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It's the end of the Clellands' experiment in New Zealand and it

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showed them what life down under could give them.

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Beautiful. Beautiful place.

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But Leslie was shocked by the first house they saw.

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I would be terrified in here at night.

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This reminds me of every horror film I ever saw in the '80s.

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We'll be going home if we get this!

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-I would not move for this at all. This wouldn't...

-No.

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And the girls were unsure about moving down under.

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I like the house, but I wouldn't live in it

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cos I don't really want to live here.

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I would like to live in New Zealand

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cos it looks like a nice place, but I can't really make my mind up.

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Steve loved his time spent at work.

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It's the same equipment.

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Strange - it's the other side of the world and it's the exact same equipment.

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But the drastically reduced amount of equity

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in their UK property came as a shock.

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If we did want to move, then we doubt we could sell just now.

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It's just not the right time. It would be too much of a loss.

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It's been a week of ups and downs for Leslie,

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with the wrench on leaving loved one constantly playing on her mind.

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I was scared to come because I did think I might like it,

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and I do like it, I really do like it. But, again, it's still the same.

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It's the same thing. It's the families, especially my mum.

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My sister, Steven's sister and Steven's mum - they'll be OK in a way

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that they can come over, but my mum won't be able to come over here.

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These are issues we're going to have to try and figure out, I suppose.

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Actually, Amy's easy-osey, isn't she?

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I think Amy would be fine. I think Andrew's fine, and Lauren at the moment...

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We were talking the other day there, and she was asking,

0:53:560:53:59

"Where are we going to live?" It wasnae, "Oh, if we move".

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It's, "Where are we going to live? And when are we moving?

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"Right, can we go and have a look at the schools?

0:54:040:54:06

"Can we go and have a look at the uniforms?"

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So Lauren's frame of mind at the moment is she's moving.

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But do we like it enough to live here?

0:54:140:54:16

I don't know. I still don't know.

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Difficult.

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-We'll see.

-Stopped you in your track there, didn't I?

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I thought it was done and dusted there!

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Ah, never underestimate me.

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But now it's crunch time.

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Will Leslie and the children give Steve the answer he's looking for?

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So I...

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I think I'm just going to choose Scotland.

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That's a bit of a surprise. Will the others follow suit?

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I really liked the houses and

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I really liked the beach,

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so I'll choose New Zealand.

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It's quite hard to choose, cos I like New Zealand and

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everything about it, but also I quite like living in Scotland.

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But I think I'm just going to have to choose New Zealand.

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It is a lovely place, it's a beautiful place

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and I think we could really set up home here and be really happy,

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and be a really happy family so, on that...

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definitely New Zealand.

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But now it all rests on Leslie.

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I've really enjoyed my experience in New Zealand. It's been a bit of an eye-opener this week.

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It just comes down to what's best for my family, this family,

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or what's best for my Scottish family, and on this occasion,

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I think I'll choose New Zealand.

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I've got to make a decision and stick to it, so I think I have.

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I do think it'd be better for us as a family, and it's better for the kids.

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But as long as they're happy, we'll be happy.

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Despite being disappointed at the price they could get for their house

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in the UK, the Clellands have all found something that life down under could offer them.

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It looks like Steven has managed to persuade his family to start a new life in New Zealand.

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Join us again next time, when we find out what happens when

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another British family has to decide whether they're wanted down under.

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Series in which British families, keen to trade in the British weather for the down-under lifestyle, are given the chance to sample what life would be like if they moved to the other side of the world.

Engineer Steve Clelland from Falkirk has a dream of spending more time with his family by moving to New Zealand for a better life. But his wife Leslie isn't so sure he can stop working so hard, wherever they are. They try out life in Auckland for a week. Will they be able to afford a house there that Lesley will want? They have some tough choices ahead of them.


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