Families sample life 'down under'. Steve Clelland dreams of a better life in New Zealand, with more family time. But his wife Leslie doubts that he can stop working so hard.
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Welcome to Wanted Down Under, the show that catapults a British family
right across to the other side of the world,
to help them make the biggest decision of their life -
whether to stay in the UK or move to New Zealand.
Steve Clelland has been thinking about emigrating to New Zealand for a better life with his family.
I wouldn't say I'm not happy here but I'm thinking, "Well, is it time
"to bite the bullet just now and take it from there?"
His dream is to stop working for himself and do regular hours so he can spend more time with the family,
but wife Leslie isn't so sure he can stop working.
Even if we did make the move, he would end up working for himself,
and he would put himself to the same hours as he's doing just now.
The current value of their property comes as a complete shock.
It's too much of a loss.
We couldn't afford it. It'd be a waste of time.
Which means they could only afford something that wife Leslie thinks is a nightmare.
I would be terrified in here at night. This reminds me of every horror film I ever saw in the '80s.
The Clellands have some tough choices ahead of them, but what will they decide?
With its magnificent landscape
and small population of only four million,
New Zealand is many people's idea of the perfect place to get away from it all.
To apply to live in New Zealand as a skilled migrant, you must
be between the ages of 20 and 55 and be on the skilled shortage list.
But a move down under is never straightforward.
We've given another British family the opportunity
to spend a week down under to see if it's all they've dreamt it would be.
After that, they'll have to make a decision one way or the other -
to stay in the UK or to move to New Zealand.
Steve and Leslie Clelland live with their three children,
10-year-old Amy and 6-year-old Andrew, in Falkirk, Scotland.
Steve wants to move his family 12,000 miles away
to start a new life down under.
I wouldn't say I'm not happy here,
but just to get more of an outdoorsy lifestyle.
It seems like a nice place to go,
and I'm trying to convince everybody that it's a good idea.
However, his wife Leslie really isn't sure about making the move.
We do have a good life here and everything's fine.
We've got a nice house, we've got nice friends, we've got family,
and you're cutting your life off to start again,
and it's not 100 per cent it's going to be the right move,
and what if it's not?
It's just... I don't know. I would like a guarantee
and I don't think you're going to get one.
Steve is certain that life Down Under would benefit all of them.
I think that our family unit could have a better life there
- more peaceful, less stressful,
more prospects for the kids when they leave school.
I think there's more there than there is here.
There's not anything here.
I think, "Well, is it time to bite the bullet just now
"while the kids are small enough to make a new life, and take it from there?"
But 13-year-old daughter Lauren isn't so sure about making the move.
Well, my feeling is that I don't really want to go.
I'd like to go and see the place but I don't really want to go
to live there cos I like my house, and my pals - I'll miss them all.
And 10-year-old daughter Amy has mixed emotions.
I'm not the one that really wanted to move to New Zealand.
I'm fine with it but I'm going to miss all my friends and that.
Steve is a self-employed refrigeration engineer
and, as a result, does very long hours every day of the week.
It is a rat race, and it's a downward-spiral rat race.
I work as much as physically possible at the moment,
and you're just staying above water.
But his work impacts on family time and Steve's had enough.
It's good to be busy, but the downside is...
For instance, Andrew, my youngest wee boy - usually when he gets up,
the first thing he'll ask is, "Is there no work today?"
I drop him off at school, and then the next time I see him is when I'm
dropping him off at school the next day, cos they're in bed, they're sleeping by the time I get in.
Now I'm thinking, "No, they're growing up
"and I'm missing them growing up,"
which isn't a nice feeling.
Although Steve really wants to move,
he knows it's a huge emotional wrench for the rest of the family.
I do feel guilty that I've put the idea forward.
Mainly, at the moment, the kids are
all happy, Leslie's so close to her family,
and for me to drag everybody away from that, it is a bit...
You know, it does get to me a wee bit,
but I do think it would be worth it.
And Leslie's caught in the middle as her sister and elderly mother really don't want her to make the move.
My sister Alison's not happy about it at all.
Not at all. She's to the point that we've actually had a lot of arguments about it.
She's more than my sister. She's my best friend and I would miss her.
There'd be a big hole in my life. And I do think about my mum.
I do get upset cos my mum's quite elderly now
and it'd break my heart not being able to see her, but, um...
I didn't expect that reaction.
Looks like Steve's got his work cut out.
To help them make a decision, they're going to the vibrant city of
Auckland, situated at the northern
end of New Zealand's North Island.
Auckland is known as New Zealand's City of Sails
as it has more yachts per person than any other city in the world.
It's New Zealand's largest metropolis,
boasting just over 1.3 million
people and providing plenty of opportunities
to enjoy its unspoilt landscape as well as its urban lifestyle.
We found three possible lifestyles for the Clellands,
each one offering a brand-new way of life
for them to try on their budget,
but which one will be the most suitable?
Properties are a lot better value in the country.
Spacious family homes can cost around £280,000,
so bang on the Clellands' budget.
But if you want that dream place,
you'll have to spend an awful lot more.
Steve's commute to work into central Auckland would be over an hour's drive,
but there are good transport links for Leslie and the kids to get to the hub of the city,
as well as schools and outdoor activities on their doorstep.
So very different from their life in the UK.
But what about the second option?
Property prices in the centre have boomed in recent years,
and the Clellands would have to make do
with less space than they have in the UK.
This four-bedroomed property is on the market for just over £500,000,
too much for the Clellands,
but they could look to the nearby suburbs
where houses are plentiful,
from high-rise living to spacious family homes.
Steve would have a short commute to work,
which would mean more time spent together as a family.
That all looks very inviting, but what about the third option?
The beautiful coastline would allow the Clellands
to live an active lifestyle that they're looking for.
There are plenty of houses with great living spaces along the coast,
but those sea views don't necessarily come cheap,
like this one at over £500,000.
Moving slightly further inland, however,
would provide them with good-sized family homes for affordable prices.
The commute for Steve could be an easy 20 minutes,
and schools as well as watersport activities are on their doorstep.
Three very different options there, all of them life-changing.
So where did we decide to send our family?
We've decided the beach option is the most suitable for the Clellands.
It'll provide them with a good mix of coastal living as well as
opportunities to find spacious family houses within budget.
For their trial week, we've lined up a job for Steve.
Just jump up and have a look at it. See what's going on.
-They'll sample housing options in Arkles Bay...
-I'll just stay here. That's me.
I've moved. I don't need any more.
I even like the furniture! LAUGHTER
And they'll get a real taste of New Zealand life.
I love it. I think it's great. A beautiful place.
But they have a tough week ahead of them as they try to make the biggest decision of their lives.
I don't want you to go.
The Clellands are finally making the trip Steve's dreamt of for years.
The journey takes them 12,000 miles
and across three continents from Falkirk to New Zealand.
And 32 hours later they reach Auckland, jet-lagged but excited.
Very long, very long, but it was fine.
The kids were really, really good. I'm really proud of them all.
I'm looking forward to going out and seeing the place.
I've heard about it so many times and I've read so much about it,
but this is our chance to see it now, so looking forward to that.
Time to see what New Zealand's got in store for them.
It's the first time any of the Clellands have ever been to New Zealand,
and they'll be staying in the coastal suburb of Red Beach, 15 miles from Auckland central.
The house has four bedrooms with stunning views of the Pacific Ocean.
There's a huge open-plan living area, including a kitchen,
and enough rooms for the kids to choose their own.
So what will they make of it all?
Look at that, Andrew. Look at that view.
Oh, look at the view, Leslie.
That's the wow factor.
-Dead open plan, isn't it?
-That's another wee sitting room.
OK, we'll take it! CHUCKLING
Wow! Does that mean Leslie's already been convinced
to make the move down under?
-Can this be my room?
No, this is Mum and Dad's room, no!
Look at the view, Steven. Stunning.
-So is that an actual beach down there, yeah?
So it is.
That's amazing. It's lovely. Absolutely lovely.
I'm quite impressed with what I've seen so far.
It is lovely, really nice, but whether or not I could live here
is another matter altogether, so I don't know.
I'm really impressed. I think it's beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
At the moment, they all hate me,
because they're all tired and I've dragged them
to the other side of the world, so we'll wait
and see once they wake up tomorrow when they've had a good sleep, and then we can
start exploring the place and find out what the place is about, and hopefully we'll get some smiles.
Let's hope so, Steve, or you've got a long week ahead of you.
Back in the UK, the Clellands live in a large five-bedroomed detached
house in Falkirk and, if they make the move to New Zealand, they would want something of a similar size.
They bought it for £305,000 in 2008.
If they can get what they paid for it, then they would have £180,000 equity towards a New Zealand home.
Steve wants a smaller mortgage this time round
and wants to keep it below £100,000,
but spacious properties with a sea view aren't cheap,
so could they really afford that dream home?
They're starting their search in Arkles Bay
that looks over the Weiti River.
Property one is a four-bedroomed detached house
in the sleepy part of the bay.
It's on the market for £246,000,
which is good news for the Clellands
as it would potentially mean they'd only have to get a £34,000 mortgage.
And they're meeting up with local estate agent Phil Currie.
-Not too bad. How's yourself?
-And how are you?
-Hi, I'm fine.
-Good. How are your kids?
First up is the garage which, to be honest,
looks like it could do with a bit of a clear-up.
Come in here, guys, and have a look.
As it stands now, you've got two garages,
both with auto garage-door openers.
You can make this like a studio flat for people coming to visit.
-You're a brave man, Steve,
but I'm not so sure Leslie's quite as convinced.
Let's hope the upstairs is more impressive.
All the rooms are on one floor
and it has an open-plan kitchen-lounge area.
It's not a huge living area.
It's modern. It is modern what they've done.
They've made the best of the space they've got.
Maybe so, but it feels a little cramped,
especially for a family of five.
It's got character, I'll give it that.
Let's hope the master bedroom is better,
but will the size be enough to impress Leslie?
-It's a nice size in here.
-Yeah, it is a good size.
Walk-in wardrobe, of course, and en-suite.
That's a good size as well.
-Nice big shower.
That's fine. It's a good size.
It's all right, but no-one seems that convinced with the interiors.
Maybe the views will win them over.
-A good view.
And it's private.
It's quite quiet here.
Well, they like bits of the house,
but they hardly seem bowled over by property one.
Yet if they really want a smaller mortgage as well as a beautiful view then they can't be so picky.
But what do they honestly think about this property?
-It's a good house, but not for us with kids.
-No, I don't get the feel.
It's just not me, just...
No, I would be terrified in here at night.
It just reminds me of every horror film I ever saw in the '80s.
-We'll be going home if we get this!
-I would not move for this at all.
Oh, no! House-hunting definitely isn't convincing Leslie that this move is a good idea, and Steve isn't
too impressed either, but on their budget they might struggle to fulfil their aspirations.
However, we've got something up our sleeve that might just fit the bill,
and it's just five minutes' drive away
in the busier part of Arkles Bay.
Wow! This looks much more up their street.
Surely this property is going to be over their budget.
Estate agent Norma is there to meet them.
-Hi, I'm Norma.
-Hiya, Steven. Love the accent.
Property two is a four-bedroomed detached house on a large plot, 660 square metres in size.
It's a stone's throw from the beach, and although you can't see the sea,
it has great views of the valley below.
It's exactly on budget at £280,000.
First, it's upstairs to the living area.
Straightaway, Leslie seems much happier.
-This is lovely.
-It's a beautiful home.
I like this open plan. It's really, really lovely.
And it's even got the all-important separate study area for workaholic Steve.
Give Steven a separate study so that, again, you're not stuck in a wee room out the way.
Well, looks like we might have a winner on our hands already,
and Norma's got some other potentially good news.
There's a lot of British families up this road, actually.
My sister lives up there. She's Scottish.
-It's a nice big park, kids' park.
-It is, and they're probably quite safe
to go on their own because you can see them from here, can't you?
Next up is the main lounge.
-Really good size.
-Oh, this is fantastic.
What a size this is.
-This is great, with a proper fire. Yeah.
-You've got this...
This in the afternoon is just smothered with sun.
It's just absolutely gorgeous.
This house just seems to be getting better and better.
What will they make of the views?
-Oh, no, it's absolutely gorgeous.
-Isn't it gorgeous?
Yeah, and it's got a really... I love the drive as well,
because it's like the horseshoe drive - drive in and out.
Oh, no, this is really lovely, Steven.
I'll just stay here. You can all go.
That's me, I've moved! I don't need any more.
I even like the furniture!
Wow, that's fantastic news!
They've hardly been in New Zealand for five minutes, and already Leslie's had a change of heart.
It looks like she's moving in.
Will the bedrooms also be what she's looking for?
There are four, two downstairs and two upstairs, all a good size.
But what will Leslie think of the master bedroom?
This is the master bedroom, and we've got the en-suite
-and the walk-in wardrobe, so have a wee look in here.
-Oh, yeah, yeah.
Surely this is too good to be true,
but the small garden looks like it could pose a problem for Steve.
-You want more garden than this, though, don't you?
It is a sun-trap here.
Yeah. You will probably lose the sun a little bit in the afternoon,
and summertime it's really nice not to have the sun in the back cos it does get very hot.
-It's a stunning house, absolutely stunning.
I think Norma is already preaching to the converted when it comes to Leslie,
but she may also have a solution to the lack of garden space for Steve.
Nice big garage.
This would be the playroom.
Yeah, put a computer in the corner.
-It gives you the idea of what you can have.
Not that you're getting one! LAUGHTER
Well, looks like Leslie might already be sold on New Zealand property, but how do the girls feel?
I like the house but I wouldn't live in it cos I don't really want to live here.
I would like to live in New Zealand cos it looks like a nice place, but I can't really make my mind up.
The girls are divided, but what did both Leslie and Steve think about property two?
Yeah, I'd move in there today!
But that's because I don't want to do the journey back home!
I would, I would live in there in a minute. That is gorgeous.
That is my ideal house. That is what I would...
I like the open plan of it all.
I've always said that's really, really nice.
It's a proper family home. It's a nice feeling.
It had a nice warm feeling to it.
-I would prefer a bigger garden.
-I definitely would like a garden, but it's lovely, though.
Beautiful house, though.
It is a beautiful house, but it does have certain drawbacks.
But every house does.
You always compromise on something.
The living area is just...is to die for.
So a potential winner for Leslie, but Steve's the driving force for making the move to New Zealand,
and he wasn't convinced by property one or two.
If he's already got misgivings on New Zealand homes, will it make
him change his mind about making the move down under?
Before he can make that decision, Norma's got one more property.
Let's hope it will suit all their needs.
Property three is just two minutes up the road,
so they know they'll like the area.
Again, it's a four-bedroomed house,
but this time it's on a slightly larger plot of land.
It's over their budget at £304,000
but, if it's what they all want, then it might be worth it.
First port of call is the teenager pad.
-It's huge and Lauren could have plenty of mates to sleep over.
What do you think of this, Lauren?
It's a nice little lounge cos this opens up on its own.
Ah, this is lovely. This is really nice, isn't it?
-As a teenager's room.
-It's a really good teenager's...
Or as a wee granny annexe.
So there's plenty of room downstairs, and the upstairs seems to have lots of space too,
-with an open-plan kitchen-diner and lounge area.
-So come on up and have a wee look.
A nice bit of walnut.
OK, have a look at the kitchen first.
Look at the view. Wow.
And the deck. The deck's nice.
-There's just a lot of family room in here.
-It's a lovely house, this one.
-It is, isn't it?
It's a beautiful home.
-And it's so well...
-You get a lot of house for your money, don't you?
-You do get a lot of house for your money.
And it's very stylish. It's lovely.
That's potentially great news.
Steve's already liking this property.
Will the rest of the interior live up to his expectations?
-So this is the son's room.
-Andrew's room. That's a good size.
It's a great-sized room. Andrew, do you like this room?
Yeah, I love it.
Good to see Andrew's on board too, and down the corridor,
there's another bedroom for Amy,
as well as the all-important master bedroom for Steve and Leslie.
This is the master suite with another en-suite in here.
This is lovely. It's a lovely room.
It's beautiful, and with entrance way onto the deck.
-It's a lovely bed.
-Yeah. Nice big wardrobe.
Wow, look at that.
-A whole set of cupboards over there.
Outside decking is a popular feature of New Zealand homes, and they don't
come much nicer than this, but what will Steve make of it all?
This is the nice entertaining area.
It's really lovely cos it's got indoor-outdoor flow
from the family room, so if you are barbecuing or something...
And it's a fabulous area just to...
This is a bit of a...
-It's really warm, yeah.
-Some view from here as well.
The deck goes right the way round the whole...right the way round to the lounge.
-So what do you think of this house?
-Oh, this one's stunning.
That's what I thought a New Zealand house would be like.
-It's nice, isn't it?
-I didn't like the...
-Would you move for this?
Well, looks like the Clellands have found their ideal home, but it's beyond their budget.
By how much depends on how much they'll make on their UK house.
But for now, how will they vote on property?
Right, what do you prefer - Scottish houses or New Zealand houses?
After seeing all the houses we saw today, I think,
well, the houses in New Zealand have a lot more character than
the ones in the UK which are just big boxes,
so I'm going to choose New Zealand.
The houses we've seen today, the New Zealand houses,
they all seem to be bright and airy, loads of space.
There's definitely better value for money than what we get
in the UK, so I'd have to vote for New Zealand.
So, finally, with Leslie not sure that New Zealand is for her, how will she vote?
Seeing what we've seen today on the houses, they're all really nice and,
between Scotland and New Zealand, I think I prefer New Zealand houses.
But if all they could afford would be property one,
would they be so sure?
The Clellands want to spend more time together as a family,
and hope the move down under will help them achieve this,
but will Leslie be won over
by what the New Zealand lifestyle has to offer?
After a successful property day, Steve is keen to keep the family
on side and show them the kind of activities that New Zealand
can offer them, so they're off kayaking on the Puhoi River.
Suited and booted, it's time for a taste of the New Zealand outdoors,
but not everyone's looking forward to it.
Andrew, are you feeling a little bit nervous?
-Just a little bit.
Lauren takes to kayaking like a duck to water,
but Andrew's nerves have got the better of him.
-I'm quite scared!
-Andrew, you're OK.
Just go over to Lauren, and then we'll come back and see how you feel. OK?
Well, this trip might get called off before it's even started.
Look, Lauren's trying.
Kayaking is so scary!
Why don't we put Mum in?
There, how gentle's that?
With the rest of the family safely out on the water and
no croc in sight, Andrew finally agrees to go out on the river.
And surprise, surprise, Andrew is actually enjoying himself, and
it's good for Leslie to see the kids having such a great time with Steve.
Steven's a great dad. He really loves spending time with them, but they just don't get as much time.
Lauren's getting older, that she's not going to want to spend any time with us, let alone with her dad.
He needs to be here now. He definitely does.
Andrew, he really needs him now and Steven knows that.
I don't like to say too much too him because he feels quite guilty enough,
and if I have a go, then it's just making him feel even worse.
My arms are killing me!
That may be so, Andrew, but Steve's always looked
forward to this sort of outdoor activity along with the family.
It's lovely, and it's not too warm,
it's just nice, and there's no midges, which is really unheard of.
Whenever you get even a slightest bit of a warm day in Scotland,
you're covered with midges and you can't go out.
I love it. I think it's great.
Even Lauren's like this, "Beautiful. Beautiful place."
So it seems everyone is happy, and Steve's
job of convincing them all that life in New Zealand will be better
is going to be a piece of cake.
If I moved here, I'd miss my friends,
so I really don't want to move here.
Ah, so Andrew isn't quite convinced.
But what about wife Leslie?
It's really nice and very relaxing.
Even going out in the car, you're not sitting in loads of traffic
and...it just feels really chilled.
-Sounds like she would be willing to make the move.
-I would do it.
It's just family. I just...
I think I'd miss my family too much.
Possibly you could come home and say, "Right, yeah, that's it, we're going to move."
But then, when I got home,
I would..."No, I can't do it."
Oh, dear, Steve. Do you ever get that feeling that you're stuck up a certain creek without a paddle?
Well, it sounds like a lot more hard work is needed to get
Andrew and Leslie to agree to make the move to New Zealand,
but as the kayaking trip comes to an end,
which way will they vote, UK or New Zealand?
There's a lot of things you can do in Falkirk,
but most of it's weather permitting.
We don't get much good weather
that you can actually go outside and do anything,
whereas in New Zealand there is a lot more to do,
the weather's better on the whole,
so on that note, I would say New Zealand.
I'll pick New Zealand.
I pick New Zealand.
I like the kayaking and I like the house,
so I think I would choose New Zealand.
This is potentially great news.
Looks like Steve has finally got all the children on board,
but will Leslie also be convinced by what New Zealand has to offer?
Just at the moment, I'll keep my options open
and I shall choose Falkirk.
It's actually better than I thought.
I've only got one to convince.
Back in Scotland, Steve is a self-employed
refrigeration engineer, giving himself a salary of £40,000 a year.
He set the business up with wife Leslie in 1999 and, although he
loves his work, the hours take their toll on his family life.
I drop the kids off at school at nine,
and then my working day's till nine, ten o'clock at night,
eleven o'clock at night.
Sometimes, I've not been in till three, four in morning.
After ten years of self-employment, Steve has realised that there are
more important things in life
and is looking to New Zealand for the answer.
In Britain, it seems to be you just work, that's it. Work, work, work.
And when you finish your work, there's more work and there's
no let up for it, whereas in New Zealand, Australia and places like that, they seem to be more,
"Well, no, we'll do it tomorrow because it's finished for today.
"We're at home, we're at family time,"
which you don't get here. It just doesn't exist.
-See you later. You be good for Mum?
-Yeah? Good boy.
Steve is looking forward to experiencing work in NZ
but Leslie still has reservations.
If the work's not there for him and he's not going to enjoy it, then we
can't afford it and then that's basically where it stops.
And because Steve won't be self-employed
if they move down under, she's worried about his salary.
Can he work for someone else after so long?
So are we going to be able to still afford the lifestyle we have on his wages?
Yep, we'll see how it goes, see how it goes today.
If the work pans out what I think it should or it could,
then I will be convinced.
It's just a matter of trying to convince everybody else.
You don't want to move to the other side of the world,
then be worse off, obviously.
So, today's quite an important day.
It's quite exciting, going to see what it's all about.
Quite looking forward to it.
So Steve is meeting up with Matthew to see what the hours and pay are
like for refrigeration engineers in New Zealand.
If he can't achieve what he wants from his job, then he might change
his mind about making the move down under altogether.
-Pleased to meet you.
And it's straight down to business,
as potential boss Matthew lets Steve
know what he can expect to earn in New Zealand.
From an hourly-rate point of view, a good fridgie in New Zealand is
earning mid to late 30s. Dollars an hour, that is.
So you're paid on a wage as opposed to a salary,
so working roughly 40-45 hours a week.
That news is OK as Steve's basic New Zealand salary would be £35,000,
less than what he earns back in Scotland,
but he could make it up with some overtime.
Just how much overtime he's willing to take on is the burning question
as he could end up being back at square one,
working long hours and not having any time for his family.
We have a call-out roster where engineers take turns on being
on after-hours call, and those guys generally work 45-50 hours a week.
In Scotland, they're about 12, 13 hours a day, call-out 24/7. Seven days.
You're always on call-out, which really annoys Leslie.
But, no, that sounds good. That sounds really good.
-OK, let's go.
-After a quick run-down, Matthew wants to know what skills Steve has, so he's going to put
him straight in at the deep end and sends him out on site for his first job with manager Ray.
-Ray, I'll introduce you to Steve.
-Hi, Steve. Nice to meet you.
-I thought you might be able to show Steve a site.
As he sets off for a hard day's work, the rest of the family are across the other side of the city.
Although Leslie found her dream home,
she still has strong misgivings about starting up a life
in New Zealand, and she wants to get a sense of Auckland,
so she and the children are off to take in the city
at the top of Auckland's famous landmark, the Sky Tower.
It's the tallest man-made structure in New Zealand and stands at 328 metres,
or just over 1,000 feet.
Oh, my God! THEY GASP
That was scary!
On a clear day, you can see nearly 50 miles in all directions at the top of the tower.
It's quite good up here. You can see for miles.
You can see the harbour and all the boats.
Amenities like this are important for Leslie who grew up in Glasgow.
I enjoyed the city when I was young and I think, for them,
you do need somewhere like this to come when you're younger.
But she's still not sure that what she'll be trading in will provide them with anything better.
It's got what anywhere else has got, really.
It's just a bit different from what we're used to.
And her thoughts also turn to Steve and his attitude to work.
He's not a nine to five person.
He likes to think he's a nine to five person, but he's not.
I think, even if he did make the move, he would end up working for
himself, and he'd put himself to the same hours as he's doing just now.
Part of me does think he thinks if we move, that'll be it,
everything will change and it'll be...
You know, he'll be happier and he'll be more relaxed.
I think that has to be...
I think he has to do that himself.
I don't think his environment will change that.
I think he has to do that himself.
She's also feeling the pressure from family back home.
In a way, maybe I'm not wanting to like it too much,
and have that much...
..negativity and that much guilt put on me from the rest of my family
that I'm not going to do it, and I don't want to have
to be stopped from doing something I want to do.
It's a really tough decision for Leslie,
but she knows that she and Steve need a change.
Perhaps it's just a question of taking a leap of faith
to make the move down under.
Meanwhile, Steve and Ray have turned up on site.
-They were just complaining about a burning smell in here.
So I don't know if you want to just jump up and have a look at it, see what's going on there?
And Ray's decided that Steve's got to get his hands dirty.
It's straight down to work under his watchful eye.
Good news for Steve - all this stuff looks very familiar.
-It's the same equipment.
-It's the other side of the world and it's the exact same equipment.
Yeah, well, that solved that one.
So far, so good.
Steve looks like he's impressed Ray.
I think he's very confident and I think he'll do very well
because he's got a good, positive attitude.
He enjoys what he does which is a seriously good thing.
That's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a bit of experience as well.
He's got a bit of experience so that's all advantage, you know. That's really cool.
He'd be sought after when he comes out, there's no doubt.
He'll have a problem. He'll have to be careful.
Everyone will want him!
It seems that Steve can't put a foot wrong, so how would he really find working for somebody else?
It would be hard to get used to cos I've worked for myself for 12 years now.
So, I thought I would be more nervous,
but I was actually really looking forward to it.
Yeah, you make mistakes. Yeah, of course I would, but you learn. You learn by your mistakes.
But thoughts of Leslie worrying about leaving family behind play on Steve's mind.
Leslie would prefer to be back home.
That's a family issue.
But I wouldn't drag anybody kicking and screaming
across the other side of the world.
They have to agree that this is what they want,
and if everybody's in agreement, then I'll pack my bags.
I would pack everything up and move everything over.
But now, how will he vote on working in the refrigeration business New Zealand style?
All our experiences today on the work side of things,
the equipment's pretty much exactly what I'm used to,
but what is missing is all the stress involved that you
get at home in the rat race, so, on that, I would choose...
Moving to New Zealand would involve massive financial
as well as emotional decisions for the Clellands.
They'd need to take into account the cost of living in Auckland,
as well as what they'd make on their house in the UK.
Their home is a five-bedroom property which they bought in 2008
We sent round three local estate agents to give their opinion
on what they think it's worth in the current market.
'Very nice, wee bit crowded.'
It's not crowded.
Nice glossy tiled floor. Very nice.
It sets off the glossy white units.
Nice little dining area looking out over the countryside.
Good storage space...
Quite a tight plot for the size of house, but well maintained.
It's a very flexible downstairs apartment, used as a family room.
Perhaps a little small for a dining room, however,
but nonetheless, very well presented.
Excellent size of master bedroom, well proportioned.
Larger window formation lets in natural light.
En-suite shower room.
Very stylish en-suite shower room with larger shower base, thermostatic
shower, fitted storage, ceramic-tiled floor. Wonderful.
Shoe holding the door.
Now, third level.
Nice sky window. Very nice.
This is a very good-sized family house, it's on three
levels, it's five bedrooms, four bathrooms, parking outside.
Reasonable-sized back garden with stunning views.
So, I would value this property at £249,000.
For a quick sale... probably about 239.
For a quick sale, you'd probably be looking at round about 240.
The property would have an open market value realistically stated within £225,000 to £230,000.
It may achieve slightly more than that
with the correct buyer and demand for the property.
However, the property market, as we're all aware, has suffered
and struggled, particularly in the centre of the market
where there's an over-supply of new-build properties of this type.
Forced sale, we'd perhaps recommend offers over £215,000.
This has come as a massive shock.
They paid £305,000 for their property in 2008,
and they've made a potential loss of around £55,000 plus.
If we did want to move, then we doubt we could sell just now.
It's just not the right time.
The market is getting better, but obviously we couldn't...
That would be taking too much of a loss.
It makes it a little bit harder to move, I think,
if the house prices don't go up.
But we'll just need to wait and see how things go.
It is a bit of a slap in the face, though, when you think...
I've said from the very beginning,
when Steven started talking about emigrating,
that it would depend on the house, and at that point,
that's when everything took a downward spiral.
And it all really depends on the house.
I wouldn't sell it if we were going to take a loss.
It's too much of a loss. We couldn't afford it.
It would be a waste of time.
Aw, with that crushing news,
Steven and Leslie are going to have to do their sums.
Is a move to New Zealand going to be possible at all?
We've prepared a comparison of their UK and New Zealand expenses
to see if they can afford a life down under
despite their loss of equity.
I'm actually really deflated at the moment.
The cost of the house, it's just totally depressed me,
and that is a big issue to me.
If we don't get what we want for the house, then we can't do it anyway.
The reason we have that house and we have that mortgage is because you
work for yourself and because you can earn the money you earn.
Get a mortgage of 81,000...
It brings your equity down a bit, then you find that you're going
to be 50,000 less for your house than you thought.
So if that's all your house is worth, then obviously you're not going to have...
Instead of 180, it's going to be 130,
so that changes everything drastically.
Let's say the salary in equivalent pounds
would be between 33,000 and 38,000,
and you've got the option of working overtime.
-What's the mortgage, actually?
-Between 594 and 1,000.
-That's in there.
£842 a month.
-We'd still get a mortgage for 20 years?
Would you want to start with another 20-year mortgage?
Council tax 203.
-Groceries - monthly shop.
£600 a month, wouldn't it be?
We're not going to stop eating just because we've moved,
so I would keep it the same.
I think the food bill's going to be roughly the same.
I think it'll even itself out.
Council tax 76.
2,328 per month.
It's working out £200 cheaper per month to live here than it is at home.
The cost of living seems to be cheaper in New Zealand.
However, they could lose £55,000 on the sale of their UK home.
Does this mean Steve might not be willing to make the move?
It's still something I want for the kids and for us.
It's still a good thing.
Um...it just makes it a little bit harder
to walk straight into something.
It's going to be a wee bit more difficult.
Steve, Leslie and the children are going to the pub
to meet up with another Steven who recently emigrated to New Zealand.
-This is Leslie, this is Andrew, this is Lauren and this is Amy.
-Hiya, pleased to meet you.
He's built up a solid group of Kiwi mates as well as some fellow Brits
who've also made the move.
Hopefully, they can make our family feel at home, and answer a few questions into the bargain.
So, are you settling in OK, then, yeah?
I feel like I've never left England. I feel like I'm back home.
-Even the accents aren't that different.
There's times I walk around and have to remind myself, "I'm in New Zealand now."
While Steve gets the drinks in, Leslie is finding out about
how easy it would be for the children to fit in.
So how did you find the schools?
Kara was 10, 11 when she moved over here and she really enjoys it.
It's really easy to make friends cos everyone's so nice.
They're just so welcoming.
She makes friends really easily. She's always made friends.
You're quite a friendly person, so... And Amy's the same.
And Andrew just doesn't stop talking, so everybody loves Andrew.
Andrew's already found a new pal.
They're getting on like a house on fire.
New mate from New Zealand.
One from New Zealand, three from Scotland.
It just seems a friendlier place. Everybody you meet's got a smile on their face.
I'd like the kids to grow into this, you know, and start their lives like this,
and hopefully they wouldn't have all the rat race and the roundabout that we've had.
I would say there's a turnaround from before we left
when it was a definite no, they don't even want to get on the plane.
Hoe many friends do you have?
Whereas now, they are,
"No, this is a good thing that we could be doing."
So, as long as we keep everything... and I keep them
interested in it, I'd say there's a good chance we could do this.
Although Leslie's starting to really like the place
and has warmed to the people,
she's still struggling with the thoughts of leaving
friends and family back in the UK.
If we sold up and we moved here and we had everything here, you could have the same sort of lifestyle.
It's such a big sacrifice in order to have that.
You're just losing all your family and that's just...
-You're not losing family.
-You are, really, cos they're not going to talk to us!
But Steve feels differently to Leslie.
You cannae sit in your own wee life back where you were
just because of friends and family.
You've got to do what's right for your wee family unit.
Leaving loved ones behind is always going to be hard, but
the prospect of making new friends in New Zealand might make it easier.
-How do they feel?
Ah, three against two. We win.
Turn up for the books.
All week, the Clelland family have been
undecided about the move down under.
Will hearing messages from friends and family back home
help them make that final decision?
We've given them a DVD to watch.
-Hi, how are you all doing?
Steven's still my little lad.
He works hard. He's a very hard worker.
He worries me at times, how hard he does work.
He looks after his family, he'll do anything for anybody.
If he can do it, he'll do it for you.
He's just a nice guy.
Leslie's...she's quite family-orientated.
She's quite keen to keep her family happy. She's a good mother.
She's quite a good laugh.
She's quite funny, quite witty. She's a good sister.
She is. She's always there to listen to you and talk to you and we kind of bounce off each other sometimes.
She's always good. She's always there for you.
Sometimes she'll come through and take me to the shopping centre,
get my shopping and that, you know, and keep me going.
Oh, she's brilliant.
She's just like one of my own.
We've always got on, and I think the world of her.
Lauren is a comedian.
She is, she's a comedian.
She can have you laughing.
She's really fun and she's a really good friend,
so I don't really want her to move to New Zealand.
I like just calling for her and
just having her around and going to school with her and...
She's dead popular. Really, really popular.
Amy's a thinker.
You always know when Amy's looking at you,
she's trying to size you up and trying to figure you out, you know!
Andrew is so funny. He's just so funny.
He's a really clever wee boy. He picks up things really quickly
and I think he's going to be quite bright.
Leslie's not got really anybody
over there because, if she's here,
she can fall her back on her mum,
my mum, the sisters, myself.
So I think she's thinking she'll be quite lonely over there.
I think she's a wee bit frightened that she might like it.
It's so far away, it's not as if you can jump on a bus
and come away for the weekend!
It'd be a long time. It's a long...
It's far away.
Too far away. Don't like it at all.
But when it comes down to it, you've got to do what you really want to do.
There's always going to be something that you don't want to leave.
But it's whether she's going to be strong enough or willing to do that,
and that's all going to be down to them, really.
But from my point of view, I probably wouldn't want her to go, no.
I wouldn't like to think that they're not going to be here.
I've never really experienced any of my children and grandchildren
being away apart from like a holiday.
And...I don't know how I would feel. I don't want them to go.
You're going to have me bubbling.
Hi, Lauren, I hope you're having a nice time in New Zealand.
I'm missing you lots and I really don't want you to move there, cos you're such a good friend.
If it was me, I would just go for it.
If you want to do it, this is the time to do it.
And if you do it, good luck and best wishes.
I miss you. I wish you were here.
I don't want you to go.
I'll be lost without you.
I'll miss you loads. You know I will.
And...and before I start crying again,
I'm going to say...take care, I love youse all.
Is it sad to see Nan on the telly and Gran?
I suppose it is... It's always going to be.
You'd do most things but you don't want to hurt anybody, you don't want to make anybody upset.
I hate to do it and I'd hate to upset anybody
but...at the end of the day, if that's what we want to do,
then, you know...
You will... You can talk to them on the phone, you can...
go on the webcams and talk to them pretty much every day if you wanted.
It's just, you're not going to be in the same room, that's all.
-Like seeing my sister,
cos we spend a lot of time together at the weekends
and we go shopping and she pops in, and I wouldn't have that.
And we are very close cos we are a small family, so we've always been a close family.
We just can't please everybody so someone's got to suffer, so...I don't know.
Aw, that's the hardest part.
For Leslie, it's always been about whether she can leave her family.
The Clellands' week in Auckland has been an emotional roller-coaster.
It's the end of the Clellands' experiment in New Zealand and it
showed them what life down under could give them.
Beautiful. Beautiful place.
But Leslie was shocked by the first house they saw.
I would be terrified in here at night.
This reminds me of every horror film I ever saw in the '80s.
We'll be going home if we get this!
-I would not move for this at all. This wouldn't...
And the girls were unsure about moving down under.
I like the house, but I wouldn't live in it
cos I don't really want to live here.
I would like to live in New Zealand
cos it looks like a nice place, but I can't really make my mind up.
Steve loved his time spent at work.
It's the same equipment.
Strange - it's the other side of the world and it's the exact same equipment.
But the drastically reduced amount of equity
in their UK property came as a shock.
If we did want to move, then we doubt we could sell just now.
It's just not the right time. It would be too much of a loss.
It's been a week of ups and downs for Leslie,
with the wrench on leaving loved one constantly playing on her mind.
I was scared to come because I did think I might like it,
and I do like it, I really do like it. But, again, it's still the same.
It's the same thing. It's the families, especially my mum.
My sister, Steven's sister and Steven's mum - they'll be OK in a way
that they can come over, but my mum won't be able to come over here.
These are issues we're going to have to try and figure out, I suppose.
Actually, Amy's easy-osey, isn't she?
I think Amy would be fine. I think Andrew's fine, and Lauren at the moment...
We were talking the other day there, and she was asking,
"Where are we going to live?" It wasnae, "Oh, if we move".
It's, "Where are we going to live? And when are we moving?
"Right, can we go and have a look at the schools?
"Can we go and have a look at the uniforms?"
So Lauren's frame of mind at the moment is she's moving.
But do we like it enough to live here?
I don't know. I still don't know.
-Stopped you in your track there, didn't I?
I thought it was done and dusted there!
Ah, never underestimate me.
But now it's crunch time.
Will Leslie and the children give Steve the answer he's looking for?
I think I'm just going to choose Scotland.
That's a bit of a surprise. Will the others follow suit?
I really liked the houses and
I really liked the beach,
so I'll choose New Zealand.
It's quite hard to choose, cos I like New Zealand and
everything about it, but also I quite like living in Scotland.
But I think I'm just going to have to choose New Zealand.
It is a lovely place, it's a beautiful place
and I think we could really set up home here and be really happy,
and be a really happy family so, on that...
definitely New Zealand.
But now it all rests on Leslie.
I've really enjoyed my experience in New Zealand. It's been a bit of an eye-opener this week.
It just comes down to what's best for my family, this family,
or what's best for my Scottish family, and on this occasion,
I think I'll choose New Zealand.
I've got to make a decision and stick to it, so I think I have.
I do think it'd be better for us as a family, and it's better for the kids.
But as long as they're happy, we'll be happy.
Despite being disappointed at the price they could get for their house
in the UK, the Clellands have all found something that life down under could offer them.
It looks like Steven has managed to persuade his family to start a new life in New Zealand.
Join us again next time, when we find out what happens when
another British family has to decide whether they're wanted down under.
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Series in which British families, keen to trade in the British weather for the down-under lifestyle, are given the chance to sample what life would be like if they moved to the other side of the world.
Engineer Steve Clelland from Falkirk has a dream of spending more time with his family by moving to New Zealand for a better life. But his wife Leslie isn't so sure he can stop working so hard, wherever they are. They try out life in Auckland for a week. Will they be able to afford a house there that Lesley will want? They have some tough choices ahead of them.