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Could you uproot your family and leave all your loved ones behind

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to start a new life thousands of miles away?

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What if it didn't work out?

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Could you bring yourself to try it again a second time?

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Well, that's what the Pagnini family is attempting.

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After their dream move to California turned sour, they're determined to give it another try.

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-This time for good.

-We've done it once before.

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We've upset everybody.

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We've gone. We've come back.

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They have all been relieved that we're back.

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It makes this decision much more difficult.

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It's an issue that could split the family.

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Mike's mum isn't happy at all.

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I told them that time and this time, you're not going.

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If they really liked it,

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I wouldn't be happy.

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If they make the move, will they be ever able to afford to come home?

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If I move over here, I ain't going back to England unless it's a necessary thing.

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-Not to visit?

-No.

-Why?

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It's going to be hard. It'll be very expensive with five children.

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-All right, all right.

-By the end of the week, there will be a lot of soul searching.

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I feel guilty about upsetting my family like that.

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The whole emotion they're going through at the moment is all down to us. It's all our fault.

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Make up your mind very quick, Michael and Clare, and come back to me.

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Australia is still the most popular country of residence for Brits moving abroad,

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but although they may be tempted by the sun, sea and sand,

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almost a third return home every year.

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The Pagninis may think they want to move down under,

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but have they thought it through?

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We've given them a week to see what life

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in Australia would really be like before they make one of the most important decisions of their lives.

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The Pagninis currently live in the village of Timperley on the outskirts of Manchester.

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Painter and decorator Mike shares a home with Clare and their three children,

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eight-year-old Dylan and daughters Ashley, four, and Beth who's three.

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The family have had a taste of living abroad before when Mike's dad

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who lives in California asked them to join him.

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It was about six years ago now, wasn't it?

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We moved to America and absolutely loved our life. It was fantastic,

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-the house was amazing.

-With a pool.

-With a pool and four bedrooms.

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Then we realised the cost of living, we hadn't really looked into

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and we found it really difficult to live in a country where

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if your children were ill, you had to think, "Can I afford to take them to the doctor?"

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They chose to return home.

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We were so excited to come home because we'd not seen everyone

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for two years and so we were like "Yes, we're going home.

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"We're going to see everyone."

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-"Kebabs!"

-And we came back,

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we realised we'd made a bit of a mistake.

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-Yeah, within the first ten minutes I think it was.

-Ten minutes!

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The three-bedroom terrace they rent in Greater Manchester is a far cry

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from the spacious family home and pool they had in California.

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They're desperate to be able to afford the sunny outdoor life again.

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-This is probably the last shot now.

-This is the last shot.

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We know we want that kind of lifestyle.

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We're going to Australia to find it.

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Mike is dying to follow his dreams.

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I want to make it work one million per cent and I'll do anything to make it work.

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I would up and leave and go tomorrow basically,

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but my wife being the sensible one won't allow us to do that.

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With strong ties at home, Clare has serious reservations about going.

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For me, it's going to be really difficult to leave my family behind.

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I think that's probably

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the most important thing to me.

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It'll be difficult to,

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I suppose, feel so segregated from everything that's going on and I know from living abroad before

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that whenever there's a family do, if there's a wedding or a christening or a birthday,

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you feel totally left out.

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My sister and my mum are my best friends and leaving them would be really difficult. Very difficult.

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So the stakes are high for the Pagninis

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as they face a potentially life-changing upheaval yet again.

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But where in Australia should they go?

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It would be Mike's occupation that would potentially get them

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into Australia and fortunately, as a painter and decorator, his skills are needed across the country.

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They could go to Adelaide in South Australia.

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This planned open city is about half the size of London with just one eighth of its population

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offering the Pagninis that relaxed, urban lifestyle they're looking for.

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And with the average house price at over £100,000 lower than Sydney's,

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it's a cheap place like for a family like the Pagninis to get started.

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But wages are lower here too so Mike and Clare might have to work longer hours to make ends meet.

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Perhaps further east, the city of Melbourne is more appropriate as

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family incomes here are higher than the national average.

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Victoria's capital is the number one destination for sport and culture

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and could be perfect for an outgoing family like the Pagninis, but it does come at a cost.

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The property market has soared in recent years

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with the average house price one of the highest in the country.

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So Clare's dream of a massive home with a pool could be out of reach.

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And with a population of four million, could it just be too big for the Pagninis' first step?

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Maybe they'd prefer a smaller city such as Perth in Western Australia

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where again there's plenty to do for a growing family.

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Property-wise, it's not a great deal cheaper than Melbourne, but as

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Australia's fastest-growing city, it should offer plenty of work for Mike if he can handle the competition.

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One in eight residents here are British-born

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so the Pagninis should feel at home while they find their feet.

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Three good options for the family there, each with its benefits so where shall we send them?

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We decided to send the Pagninis to experience life in Melbourne for their week in Australia.

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With income playing such a crucial role for them, it's vital they go somewhere Mike can earn more.

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Whilst it's not the cheapest city for housing, there are less expensive areas

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in its growing suburbs, but can they really afford their Australian dream financially and emotionally?

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I'd be brokenhearted if they went to Australia.

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It's hard.

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That's it.

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I don't want to be going back to England after two years.

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-It's too expensive.

-For him to just take it away like that

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makes me feel worse.

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I should have been a bit more sympathetic, I think.

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I'm feeling quite nervous at the moment.

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I don't know whether we'll all vote the same.

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I really need to think about whether I can leave my family again

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and put them through all of that heartache again.

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After 23 hours of flying, the family's potentially life-changing trip begins in Melbourne.

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Having crossed three continents spanning 10,500 miles,

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the reality of making such a long journey becomes clear.

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Not being able to stretch your legs.

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Not being able to move for so long.

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That's the worst. And the kids having to be sat still is just a nightmare.

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-The journey, it's the main factor in all of it.

-Yeah.

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With it being halfway across the world, it's not that easy just to whizz home, is it?

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No. Clare is already feeling the pressure.

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Concerned about hating it.

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-Yeah.

-I'm concerned about the journey home.

-Yeah.

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Concerned about Mike hating his job.

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Concerned about it being way out of our price range and not being an

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option for us, that's probably the worst thing that could happen.

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-Well, let's see, let's hope it blows our mind, eh?

-Yeah.

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Mike knows he's got his work cut out if he's to convince Clare Australia is right for them.

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Everything rides on what she thinks of where they're staying.

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This is the type of house they could afford IF they were to make the move.

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I'll shut this boot because I don't know what neighbourhood is like,

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but I know it's very warm.

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Very warm indeed.

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In a house without air conditioning, Mike's using his head to keep cool.

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You'll get a lot of people who do this - stick their head in the freezer.

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Look, this is the main bedroom.

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-Yeah, that's all right.

-Yeah, nice, but there's no bath.

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-Where's the bath?

-There isn't a bath.

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I've got to have a bath.

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-No, there's no bath.

-Right.

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We need to get a Jacuzzi then, don't we?

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We'll have to get a Jacuzzi.

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I think we could get a better house than this.

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Maybe the garden will make amends.

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It's a really small garden.

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There's no grass. I don't like it.

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Clare has dreamed of a large garden and a pool.

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So far Australia isn't living up to her expectations.

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I'm quite disappointed really.

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I expected it to just look like California.

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-Yeah.

-So I expected it to be highways with lovely scenery either side and got myself

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so hyped up about everything and I saw quite a lot of factories and graffiti and things like that.

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-It will be like that.

-It makes me feel a bit gutted really.

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I'm just a bit deflated now.

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-It's early days.

-I know.

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Well, I'm the pessimist, you're the optimist, so we'll see.

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Maybe you can woo me.

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I've already done that.

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Mike will have to do a lot more than a bit of wooing if he's

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to persuade Clare to leave England and her family behind again.

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Back in the UK, the Pagninis rent a three-bedroomed terraced house

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in Timperley, a village on the outskirts of Manchester.

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If they decide to move, the family will have a budget of £200,000 with a mortgage.

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But will it be enough to get that big Aussie pad and pool that Clare is dying for?

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The Pagninis' life-changing decision hinges on finances.

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And when it comes to buying a home, Melbourne offers a variety

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of lifestyle options, some more expensive than others.

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They could live in the city

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and enjoy being in the midst of all the hustle and bustle.

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Affluent central town houses can hit the 1 million mark,

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and although you're unlikely to get a pool,

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residents do benefit from having no commute to work.

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This type of place would be unaffordable for the family

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even if they got a massive mortgage so they'd be better off looking for somewhere out of town.

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The coast is popular with many young families

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and although Mike may face a long commute to work,

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Clare and the children would love lapping up the sunshine.

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Homes right on the beach can go for over 1 million.

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A short drive away, this four-bedroomed property in the trendy seaside suburb of Mordialloc

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costs £325,000 and is at the cheaper end of the market.

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Prices here have soared over recent years

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with the influx of a young, wealthy generation

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so the Pagninis would need to look further inland to accommodate their needs.

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A more realistic option would be the up-and-coming rural suburb

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of Werribee where the family are staying for their trial week.

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Despite its fast, direct links to the city, the area has retained its traditional country charm.

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Top-of-the-range properties

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like this four-bedroomed, two-bathroom Chelsea design would cost around £250,000.

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But there are plenty of houses here within the family's budget including build-your-own homes

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and with so many new developments it could be an easy place for Mike to find work as a painter.

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We're going to show the Pagninis a range of properties in this area,

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but before we do, let's just check they've settled in OK.

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Oh, no. What's happened?

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Dylan was taking a shower and slipped and hit his head on the soap dish and he's had to have four stitches.

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We had to ring an ambulance because we didn't know what to do.

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My poor baby. He frightened us to death, didn't you?

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Typical of the Pagninis.

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With Dylan all bandaged, they're finally ready to visit the three properties we've lined up for them.

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The whole move rests on whether they can find a home they love within their price range.

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So will property number one be up to

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their high standards?

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Priced at around £200,000, it's just within budget.

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After Clare's disappointment with their temporary accommodation, it's vital she likes this one.

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Fingers crossed.

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Is this the master bedroom then? I like it.

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There's a snooker table.

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This house is massive.

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It's gorgeous.

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Clare's loving it and the swimming pool has topped it off.

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But Mike's keeping very quiet.

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-How brilliant is that?

-I feel like jumping in.

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I really like this house. Yeah, I do.

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There's the barbecue area and then there's the swimming area.

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I think it's perfect, what do you think, Mike?

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-No.

-You don't like it?

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It's a bit too compact.

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It's too small.

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-The garden?

-Yeah, it's too small.

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I want a big open plan.

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That's safe if it's locked so the kids can't get to the pool without us knowing.

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I know, but I'd like a big, open-plan so I could sit there and just watch the children play.

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This way they can be running around the corner. I want to be able to see them all.

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-OK.

-I just want it structured.

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Pool and swings and things like that.

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-No, I don't like it.

-'Oh, poor Clare.'

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Just think, we could go to sleep on here.

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Right, Dylan, come on, we all need to be out of this area now, Mike.

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Just when she'd opened her eyes to what Australia could offer the family,

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Mike has demolished her hopes.

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If they can't see eye-to-eye, this move will never work.

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Perhaps they'll have better luck with the next one.

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Property two is a three bedroom show home

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situated in a newer development on the outskirts of Werribee.

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It's an example of a design-your-own property

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which should give the family an idea of what they could achieve

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for around their £200,000 budget.

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-Do you want to have a look around?

-Oh, my Lord.

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Jacka-knacker-nory.

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Chicken cacciatore!

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-That's really nice.

-Yeah.

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Well, we'll take this one.

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Oh, my...

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That is gorgeous.

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Let's see.

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-It's good.

-And this is all standard.

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Nice, that. Just think of all the microwave meals we could make in here.

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Plenty of space for takeaways to just lay it all out. We're sorted.

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And you're supposed to be the chef.

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Well, you know.

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There's a cookbook, we can use that.

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I hope Mike will be using that cookbook,

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but at least they're singing from the same hymn sheet at last.

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I'd love a house just like this and to think as well that you'll buy

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the piece of land and then you'll basically design the whole house.

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So you've built your own house.

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There are different types of houses.

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-Yeah.

-There are about eight styles of houses.

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-So you pick your style and plot of land, pick the type of house.

-I think it's in here.

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Clare can't wait to check out where they'd be sleeping.

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-This is the master bedroom.

-It's nice in here.

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-Lovely.

-This is the Zohan room, but less with the Zohan.

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Hey, look at the size of the wardrobe.

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Outside, Clare is quick to notice what's missing.

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I bet you could fit a pool across there anyway,

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but you could always buy a bigger plot as well, couldn't you?

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Er, wait a second, this size plot is at the top of their budget - building a pool doesn't come cheap.

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Maybe fit a small pool there.

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-You've got to be kidding!

-You wouldn't have much space.

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Get the ones you blow up.

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They do seem to be getting a little ahead of themselves.

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What you could do, if you had this plot of land, you could change your bedroom around so that the doors

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open out to here and have that as your seating area and then you've got all of this space for a pool.

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-All us English are bothered about is having a pool, I think.

-I know.

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Finally, the Pagninis are in agreement, but they're just not thinking about the cost.

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However, if Clare was to get a full-time job, they could push up their budget.

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With this in mind, they move on to property number three,

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priced at £230,000,

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it's a little more ambitious,

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but it does have the four bedrooms the Pagninis are really after.

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There's another area here.

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That's great, isn't it?

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-Brilliant, because this is a lovely space.

-Look at that plasma.

-Another one!

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There maybe more space than the family are used to, but with Clare working full-time,

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they'll need to factor in the cost of childcare and try to keep their feet firmly on the ground.

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Oh, look at this.

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-Shabba.

-Oh, it is really...

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This is definitely perfect.

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Look at the size of the wardrobe, Mike.

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We could put me Mum and Dad in there as a spare bedroom when they come to visit, it's that big.

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-If you say so, Clare!

-It's gorgeous, isn't it? Beautiful size.

-It is really nice.

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Absolutely lovely.

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As this home is out of their budget, surely they're thinking more practically now.

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So we'd have the pool sectioned off.

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-Oh, dear.

-It looks pretty spacious for a pool.

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Yeah, we could get a slightly bigger plot of land than this so

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-we could have the pool as well as some extra space...

-Anything else?

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And then a grass area, wouldn't we?

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We'd just have a nice grass area for the kids to play.

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I don't think you'd get any grass areas. You just get your pool.

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Surely there are more pressing concerns, finances perhaps?

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Yeah, we'd get grass. We'd have grass all there.

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And we could have grass there.

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-You can't water grass over here so you'd have to have astro-turf.

-Oh, no.

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-You're not allowed to water your grass.

-We'll have brown grass.

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-At least they don't think the grass is always greener.

-It's nice, that house, isn't it?

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-No, I like the other house the bestest.

-Do you?

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Joking aside, they desperately need to see whether the figures add up.

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Although they liked the homes overall, can they really raise the money to afford their dream place?

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I really like the third house, but in order to be able to afford that, I'd have to work,

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maybe full-time, we'd have to really look at the pros and the cons.

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So, my main concern now is that the income that we'd be entitled to will be

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a lot less than I'm expecting.

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We need to really look at what we'd earn compared to what we'd have to pay out.

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Clare's sobering up to the massive financial risk that comes with a move

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-and as it's obvious where Mike would rather be...

-Down under!

0:19:430:19:47

..she's starting to realise the outcome rests heavily upon her shoulders.

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I think Mike is more than happy to move over here,

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so the pressure is going to be solely on me to decide yes or no

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because I think Mike will just come.

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He's just happy to come,

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so it's going to be down to me and the family are constantly on my mind.

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At the moment, I just feel like it's cross that bridge when I come to it, I think.

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Yeah, it's hard. Very hard.

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It will take much more than a walk-in wardrobe and swimming pool

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for Clare to leave her family behind.

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For now though, they only have to decide if they prefer houses in the UK or Australia.

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This is our first taste of properties in Australia

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and compared to the properties in the UK, we're going to vote for...

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Australia.

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The Pagninis may prefer Aussie houses, but will they be able to afford the home of their dreams?

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That's a lot.

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And will Mike really convince Clare to leave her family and friends in the UK?

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I've got a very good relationship with Clare.

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She's my eldest.

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And we go everywhere together.

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The Pagninis have a dream of a great home and lifestyle down under,

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but none of this could be possible

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unless Mike is sure he can get well-paid work.

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Back in the UK, Mike takes home up to £30,000 a year as a self-employed painter and decorator.

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At the moment, I work part-time and I'd really rather be at home with the kids.

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If we were to get over there and find that there wasn't any work

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or the pay was really poor, that would be disaster.

0:21:420:21:45

-Basically, we can't survive.

-Yeah.

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Down under, Mike is off to see if he can bring home the bacon.

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With Clare desperate not to work in Australia, he's under added pressure to make ends meet.

0:21:520:21:56

I'm a little bit apprehensive about going to work today, it's a labour of love, I guess.

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When it comes to salary and wages, I just want a competitive rate.

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Mike's here to meet local painter and decorator Bruce James who could be a useful contact.

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-All right, Mike, if you want to start this wall here.

-Yep.

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Around up to the doorway and we'll see how good a job you do, mate.

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OK. Being a professional painter, I'll show you how fast I can do it.

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That looks pretty good, mate.

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We'll leave that at that and you can come and roll some doors in the bedroom if you'd like.

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OK, great.

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In the UK, Mike is self-employed.

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Moving to Australia would mean he'd have to start from the bottom again working for someone else.

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Basically, it's up to myself to meet people, get myself known,

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the wages might be a little bit less than I'm on at the moment,

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so, yeah, that's a little bit daunting.

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Meanwhile, the rest of the family are checking out Werribee town centre.

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It's vital Clare likes it as it's the type of area they could afford to live in.

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It's a real village feel to it. I feel like we're probably a bit out in the country around here,

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so it's like the village shops.

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I think I'd really prefer somewhere maybe a little bit modern.

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I'd like to have a big mall nearby and I don't think there's anything like that around here.

0:23:180:23:23

I think this is the town centre and that's it.

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To afford somewhere more upmarket, Clare would definitely have to work.

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I suppose it was a pipe dream to think that Mike would earn enough

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for me to be able to stay at home and we have this great lifestyle.

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In all honestly, that's probably not possible at all.

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But there's help on hand.

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In the UK, Clare is a part-time office manager so she's got a meeting with Linda Weldon,

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a local recruitment adviser to find out more about opportunities down under.

0:23:450:23:51

Is there plenty of work out there for that type of role?

0:23:510:23:55

There is work out there and it's growing.

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We're finding an increase in needs coming from employers.

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Looking at salaries again depending on the range of the responsibilities,

0:24:010:24:06

you're looking at anywhere from 35,000

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up to 60 plus if you wanted to,

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it just depends on size of office, responsibilities within that office.

0:24:110:24:15

If that is possible, then I'm quite pleased about that.

0:24:150:24:18

The fact that there is a job out there for me

0:24:180:24:21

-makes it a lot better for me.

-OK, excellent.

0:24:210:24:24

That's good news for Clare, but it's Mike's job that really counts.

0:24:240:24:29

Working for someone else would mean being paid per square metre painted

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so he'd have to put in a lot more hours than he's used to.

0:24:320:24:36

What's the average wage for a painter decorator?

0:24:360:24:39

-They'd probably be averaging maybe 700 bucks a week.

-All right.

0:24:390:24:44

You've got to go really hard if you want to make some good money.

0:24:440:24:47

It's a devastating blow. Mike would be on nearly half his UK wage.

0:24:470:24:51

So can you borrow us a tenner please?

0:24:510:24:53

You'll need a lot more than that.

0:24:530:24:55

Basically if I had work and my wife had work,

0:24:550:24:58

I'm pretty sure we could afford our mortgage and get on.

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But Clare wants a four bedroom house with a pool.

0:25:020:25:05

They'll never be able to pay for that.

0:25:050:25:08

Mike's so desperate to make the move, he's just not facing up to reality.

0:25:080:25:13

It's time to vote for work.

0:25:130:25:14

It's been an eventful day. I've enjoyed it.

0:25:140:25:17

I think when it comes to working over here, Australia gets my vote and now I'm off for a cold one.

0:25:170:25:24

See you later.

0:25:240:25:26

Mike just won't accept the consequences of a lower salary.

0:25:290:25:34

But perhaps the reality will hit home when he sees how much it actually costs to live in Australia.

0:25:340:25:41

We've prepared a breakdown of their UK and Australian expenses

0:25:410:25:45

so the Pagninis can weigh up whether they can actually afford to live here.

0:25:450:25:50

Phone and internet, 65.

0:25:500:25:53

Council tax, 100.

0:25:530:25:54

There's the shopping list, that's what I'm interested to see.

0:25:540:25:57

Potatoes, £1.98 in the UK and it's £3.79 here.

0:25:590:26:04

Shh, don't say anything.

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That's a lot. Look at the six pint milk, £2.25 and that's what in Australia?

0:26:060:26:14

£8.53 for six pints of milk.

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-That is a lot.

-And we use a lot of milk.

0:26:170:26:20

We do. That is a lot, I'm quite shocked at that.

0:26:200:26:24

If the groceries are giving them a headache, what are they going to do about Mike's salary?

0:26:260:26:30

You'd earn £26,000.

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And you're earning, but that's self-employed and this is employed.

0:26:340:26:37

Just put £30,000.

0:26:370:26:39

No, that's what it says there. £26,000, but I would earn way more so that makes up for it anyway,

0:26:390:26:44

but you see I work part-time there and that would be full-time work.

0:26:440:26:48

That means Mike is no longer the main breadwinner.

0:26:480:26:52

He doesn't like it.

0:26:520:26:54

I'm really pleased about that. Everything seems to be going well.

0:26:540:26:57

Yay!

0:26:570:26:58

With both of them working full-time, not only would they have to pay for childcare,

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but their dream of a better work-life balance is over.

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So will this affect their vote?

0:27:080:27:11

For the cost of living comparisons between Australia and the UK, we vote for...

0:27:110:27:16

-Australia.

-England.

0:27:190:27:21

Why are you voting for England?

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Because I think I'd earn a lot more money in England

0:27:240:27:28

and the prices of food over here's a lot more.

0:27:280:27:31

But I earn more here so that's why I voted for Australia.

0:27:310:27:35

-Well, I thought I'd earn more money in England, that's why I voted for England.

-OK.

0:27:350:27:41

The prospect of Clare having to work full-time has finally made

0:27:410:27:45

Mike think practically about how much this move would actually cost.

0:27:450:27:50

But he's a man of many talents and won't give up without a fight.

0:27:500:27:55

Back in the UK, Mike used to be in a band,

0:27:570:27:59

but for now, he's restricted to jamming in the living room.

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I used to play guitar every single day and I never put the guitar down.

0:28:030:28:07

Basically, two more children came along which was goodbye, career.

0:28:070:28:11

Obviously In Australia, we might get a little bit more time to do things we want to do.

0:28:110:28:17

Mike is convinced he can start performing again to boost the family income.

0:28:170:28:22

He's been offered a trial with a local band, but as Melbourne

0:28:220:28:26

is the music capital of Australia, they won't be taking on any amateurs.

0:28:260:28:30

I'm actually very excited to meet Mike and see what kind of musician he's like.

0:28:300:28:36

The crowds have gathered and eagerly await their surprise guest.

0:28:360:28:39

Mike's preparing to sing.

0:28:390:28:42

He's a slightly little bit nervous at the moment.

0:28:420:28:45

A little bit apprehensive playing in front of 300 Aussies.

0:28:450:28:48

It's been a while since I've played and sang. It'll go down like a lead balloon.

0:28:480:28:54

Having not performed for over 20 years this could be a disaster.

0:28:540:28:58

Hello, Australia.

0:28:580:29:00

As I say, I'm contemplating on moving with my wife and family

0:29:000:29:04

over here to this great country and whilst I've been on my journey, I've penned a small song.

0:29:040:29:11

So hopefully you might like it. Thank you.

0:29:110:29:14

HE PLAYS AND STOPS

0:29:140:29:16

Sorry, me guitar strap's broke!

0:29:160:29:19

I will have a stool, though.

0:29:190:29:21

-Sorry about that.

-I'll get you a stool.

0:29:210:29:23

# I fell in love

0:29:310:29:32

# A place called Australia

0:29:340:29:36

# I fell in love

0:29:390:29:41

# Well, then my wife did, too

0:29:430:29:45

# It never rains

0:29:470:29:51

# Your sun is always shining

0:29:510:29:53

# Here's a song

0:29:570:30:00

# It's for the kangaroo

0:30:000:30:02

# I left my heart

0:30:040:30:08

# It was in the north of England... #

0:30:080:30:12

It looks like he's a hit.

0:30:150:30:17

Nice one, mate. Cheers.

0:30:170:30:19

Thank you for listening. It's a great experience.

0:30:190:30:22

A great experience indeed. They were a really nice band.

0:30:220:30:25

They mentioned if I was ever in the area, to go and give them a call, look them up.

0:30:250:30:30

Mike has made some good local contacts, but music and money aside,

0:30:300:30:34

Clare's got other things on her mind.

0:30:340:30:37

It's so far away from home and leaving all of our family behind, that is the worst thing

0:30:370:30:45

-so I don't even want to think about that.

-Yeah.

0:30:450:30:47

Having moved abroad before, the Pagninis are all too aware

0:30:500:30:54

of the emotional heartache of being separated from loved ones.

0:30:540:30:58

For Clare, this move rests on whether she can bring herself

0:30:580:31:02

to leave them behind for the second time.

0:31:020:31:06

We've gone. We've come back.

0:31:060:31:08

They have all been relieved that we're back and now we're going to do it to them all over again.

0:31:080:31:14

So it makes this decision much more difficult

0:31:140:31:18

and it makes this move more important because we are now

0:31:180:31:24

sort of responsible for everyone else as well.

0:31:240:31:27

We have to make sure that...

0:31:270:31:30

if we do this to them again, it's going to be for good.

0:31:300:31:34

We've prepared some messages from friends and family back in the UK.

0:31:340:31:39

Hello, Clare and Michael.

0:31:410:31:43

Dylan, Ashley and Beth.

0:31:430:31:46

Hope you're having a lovely time.

0:31:460:31:48

We're really missing you and we can't wait for you to get back home.

0:31:480:31:52

Clare is...

0:31:520:31:54

Mike's lifeline.

0:31:540:31:56

There was nobody in the world who could have stuck with Michael

0:31:560:32:00

with his personality and him being so wild.

0:32:000:32:03

He had to have somebody, like Clare, who was very grounded.

0:32:030:32:06

Fantastic person. Always been there for all of us.

0:32:060:32:11

She rings me at least 12 times a day.

0:32:110:32:16

The phone goes all the time.

0:32:160:32:18

We don't have to look, we know it's Clare that's ringing.

0:32:180:32:21

I've got a very good relationship with Clare.

0:32:220:32:25

She's my eldest.

0:32:260:32:28

And we go everywhere together.

0:32:300:32:32

Michael is a good son.

0:32:370:32:39

Very caring.

0:32:390:32:41

I've been on my own a long, long time

0:32:410:32:44

and I do see him quite a lot really and this is the thing.

0:32:440:32:49

If they go to Australia and they really like it, it's me that's going to be...

0:32:490:32:55

left, you know what I mean?

0:32:550:32:57

I'd be brokenhearted if they went to Australia.

0:32:570:33:00

It's hard.

0:33:000:33:02

That's it.

0:33:020:33:03

When she said they were thinking about going to Australia,

0:33:060:33:10

I was gutted as I say, you know,

0:33:100:33:12

when they went to California, we missed them terribly and when they said

0:33:120:33:16

they were coming back, we were over the moon and now she's thinking about maybe going away again

0:33:160:33:23

and it's just bringing it all back how to keep in contact with her

0:33:230:33:26

and missing the kids growing up and her missing my kids growing up.

0:33:260:33:30

I told them that time and this time, "you're not going", but they took no notice of me.

0:33:300:33:37

And then the children come up, "We're going to Australia, Nana". I said no, you're not.

0:33:370:33:41

They said, "Yeah, we're going to Australia, Nana." I said, "Are you?

0:33:410:33:45

-"Well, what about me?"

-They would leave a big gap if they decided to go to Australia, yeah.

0:33:450:33:50

A big gap, as Clare's my only sister.

0:33:500:33:54

My life would be horrible. I love seeing the children.

0:33:540:33:59

I love to see them grow up and I'd miss Michael and Clare because they do look after me in lots of ways.

0:33:590:34:04

If, when they got there,

0:34:040:34:08

in Australia, and they really liked it, I'd like for them to stay.

0:34:080:34:12

I wouldn't be happy,

0:34:160:34:18

but I'd like them to stay if that's what they wanted.

0:34:180:34:23

I know it's selfish, but I do love you with all my heart, especially the children

0:34:230:34:28

so make up your mind very quick, Michael and Clare, and come back to me.

0:34:280:34:33

I love you. Bye.

0:34:330:34:35

I hope you've enjoyed doing everything that you wanted to do...

0:34:350:34:40

..and...

0:34:420:34:44

I don't know what your decision will be, but whatever you choose to do, it's fine by me.

0:34:440:34:51

It's not.

0:34:510:34:54

Have a lovely time and...

0:34:540:34:57

hope to see you soon.

0:34:570:34:59

We'll be coming to see you.

0:34:590:35:01

OK, my darlings?

0:35:010:35:04

Bye.

0:35:040:35:05

I'd never live in Australia without my family.

0:35:090:35:12

-I think you'd enjoy it, son.

-No.

-You would.

-No.

0:35:120:35:17

I feel guilty that

0:35:170:35:19

they're all sat there upset and...

0:35:190:35:23

that whole feeling

0:35:230:35:26

and the whole emotion that they're going through at the moment is all down to us. It's all our fault.

0:35:260:35:32

So, yeah, I feel guilty about that.

0:35:320:35:35

If I move over here, I ain't going back to England unless it's a necessary thing.

0:35:350:35:41

-Not to visit.

-No.

-Why?

-No point.

0:35:410:35:45

What do you mean there's no point?

0:35:450:35:46

Because we've lived there all my life. It's too expensive.

0:35:460:35:49

The journey, you know what the journey's like.

0:35:490:35:51

Yeah, but we've got family there, Mike.

0:35:510:35:54

If you feel like you want to keep going back to England every...

0:35:540:35:58

two years, you know, it's just going to cost us fortunes, isn't it?

0:35:580:36:02

Yes, but when we lived in America,

0:36:020:36:05

we needed to come back to get rid of that homesickness feeling to be able to carry on.

0:36:050:36:09

It would have to be a joint decision anyway, but mine personally,

0:36:090:36:12

I don't want to be going back to England after two years.

0:36:120:36:15

-It's going to be hard, it'll be very expensive with five children.

-OK, all right, all right.

0:36:150:36:20

-I'm not putting a dampener on it for you, am I?

-Yeah, you are.

0:36:200:36:23

Whether we came back to visit after the first year or two or not,

0:36:230:36:26

the fact that I think I'd be able to makes me feel better.

0:36:260:36:31

For him to just take it away like that

0:36:310:36:35

makes me feel worse.

0:36:350:36:36

-Did that upset you, me saying that?

-Yeah.

0:36:360:36:40

I'm just showing you reality.

0:36:400:36:42

I don't know now.

0:36:420:36:44

It might seem cruel, but flights visiting home for a family of five aren't cheap.

0:36:440:36:50

-You don't want to move to Australia then?

-No.

-No?

0:36:500:36:53

If Mike and Clare can't see eye to eye on this, they won't be able to make the move.

0:36:530:36:59

What upset Clare was, well, obviously seeing her mother.

0:36:590:37:02

Her mother was crying and Clare was crying

0:37:020:37:06

and she'd miss her mother and her father and her sister and brother and you know,

0:37:060:37:13

and I should've been a bit more sympathetic, I think,

0:37:130:37:17

and saying when I was trying to be a bit more pragmatic, I think I should've...

0:37:170:37:22

just gone along and said yeah, you can fly home any time you want, but I think after...

0:37:220:37:29

a year, she'd just get used to it but I just let her think what she wants to think.

0:37:290:37:34

Seeing messages from loved ones has made the Pagninis confront the harsh reality

0:37:370:37:42

that they may never be able to afford to return home.

0:37:420:37:47

Mike has one last shot at convincing Clare the sacrifice is worth it.

0:37:470:37:53

-Whoo!

-Australia's Torquay Beach is a hotspot for surfing,

0:37:530:37:57

but it's also safe and protected for young families.

0:37:570:38:00

I think if we were to move over to Australia, we'd want to live

0:38:000:38:04

within 30 minutes' drive of a place like this, definitely.

0:38:040:38:07

Dylan gets straight in there and makes new friends.

0:38:070:38:11

So here's what you've got to do, when you're out on the waves,

0:38:110:38:14

when the wave's coming in

0:38:140:38:15

and before it starts to curl up,

0:38:150:38:18

turn around and then you just push off and sail.

0:38:180:38:23

If you get caught in a rip, make sure you swim parallel to the beach and keep up with it.

0:38:230:38:28

-I'm a little bit nervous.

-I'll look after you.

0:38:280:38:31

You know Dylan would be...

0:38:330:38:35

Oh, he'd be in his element living here, he really would.

0:38:350:38:38

I don't think he realises how much he would love it.

0:38:380:38:40

Dylan's like a professional already, for his first time.

0:38:400:38:43

-He caught the best waves.

-It's the best thing I've ever done.

0:38:430:38:47

I just feel like going back into the sea and doing it over and over and over and over again.

0:38:470:38:52

For Mike, his experiences in Australia have opened new horizons.

0:38:540:38:57

It's just something out this world.

0:38:570:39:00

It's quite surreal, actually. It's a beautiful place.

0:39:000:39:02

I think it's hit home, this could be a reality of life for us and, yeah, it's emotional.

0:39:020:39:07

But will the rest of the family agree? It's time to vote.

0:39:070:39:11

We've had a fantastic day at the beach today

0:39:110:39:14

and for the Oz lifestyle and the British lifestyle we're going to vote for...

0:39:140:39:21

-Australia.

-Australia!

0:39:210:39:25

Clare may have voted for the Australian lifestyle,

0:39:250:39:29

but is a beach really going to be enough to persuade her to leave her family behind

0:39:290:39:34

and possibly never see them again?

0:39:340:39:37

It's nearly time for the final vote.

0:39:370:39:40

The Pagnini family have emigrated before to California,

0:39:400:39:45

but when it got too expensive, they returned to the UK, only to get itchy feet again.

0:39:450:39:50

-This is probably the last shot now.

-This is.

0:39:500:39:53

-Yeah.

-We know we want that kind of lifestyle.

0:39:530:39:56

We're going to Australia to find it.

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Yet when they touched down in Australia, things were far from rosy for Clare.

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After being here for about an hour, I felt like we'd made a mistake.

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It was too far away. Why were we even doing this to ourselves?

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The journey is so horrific and it takes such a toll on you

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that it just made me feel like I was just wasting my time.

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And when they discovered Mike's salary would be nearly halved down under, not only was their dream home

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out of reach, but they had to face up to the prospect of never having the funds to return to the UK.

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Personally, I don't want to be going back to England after two years, it's too expensive.

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For him to just take it away like that

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makes me feel worse.

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Clare's family back home means everything to her. Can she really say goodbye to them forever?

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Watching the DVDs is very upsetting.

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It's not nice to see your family members upset and to know

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that it's your fault, that they're upset, makes it even worse.

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If anything, you just want your whole family to come with you and enjoy and see all this.

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This is a massive decision for me and Mike,

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but I think Mike's mind may already be made up so I think the pressure's on me to...

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make the same decision as him!

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After watching the videos today,

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there could be a possible chance that she could vote back for England, yeah.

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I'm feeling quite nervous at the moment.

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I don't know whether we're all going to vote the same.

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I've loved my time in Australia, but I think I really need to think about whether I can leave my family again

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and put them through all of that heartache again so it's going to be a difficult decision for me, I think.

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The whole family's future now rests heavily on Clare's shoulders.

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It's time for the final vote.

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What will she decide?

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Well, it's the end of a beautiful week in Australia. We've had a really good time.

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We've all enjoyed ourselves, but it's time to vote now and we're going to vote for...

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-Australia!

-Australia!

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Clare has decided to go for it.

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The kids have loved it. Me and Mike have loved it.

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This decision is ours. It's about OUR lives.

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It's going to be what's best for me, Mike and the kids.

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But Dylan's going to take a little more persuading.

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I want to stay in England because, well,

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I'll miss my family for a long time and I'll miss all my friends,

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but I'm pretty sure I'll have a lot fun in Australia and I can't wait to go in the sea again.

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Whoo!

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I know what once we got him here, he'd be glad that we made that decision.

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I mean, look at him. He absolutely loves it.

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The Pagninis' journey has shown the financial,

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as well as emotional cost of moving to the other side of the world.

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Clare has made a brave decision for her family's future.

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Let's hope it works out for them.

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