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What would you do if you passionately believed

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there was a better life waiting for you on the other side of

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the world, but the person you love the most didn't share your dream?

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Would you follow your head or your heart?

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Richelle Barker is passionate

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about moving to the other side of the world.

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I absolutely fell in love with New Zealand

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through geography in school.

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And she's desperate for her mum to join her.

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We're less like mother and daughter and more like best friends.

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But for mum Lorraine, that means facing an unbearable choice.

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I can't see me being in New Zealand, thinking,

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"My God, I've left my mum."

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So when their trial week's over,

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will mother and daughter face the future together or apart?

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Whatever's going to happen,

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someone's potentially going to lose their mum.

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Roughly the same size as Great Britain or Japan, New Zealand

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boasts almost 9,500 miles of coastline and sandy beaches.

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With most parts of the country

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enjoying over 2,000 hours of sunshine each summer,

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it's not difficult to see why, for almost 40 years, it's been

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one of the top ten destinations for UK residents choosing to emigrate.

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Richelle has one week to convince mum Lorraine

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to uproot her entire life and start afresh down under.

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When it's over, they'll face a decision

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that could change their lives for ever -

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whether to stay in the UK or to take the plunge and moved to New Zealand.

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The Barkers' journey begins by flying 12,000 miles with

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stops in four different time zones.

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So, after a marathon 30 hours of travelling, how are they feeling?

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It was very long, very sweaty, with weird food,

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but the sun is shining and - whoop, whoop - can't wait.

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Despite the long flight, the ladies seem to be in good form.

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It still hasn't hit home. We were on the plane, saying,

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"We're going to New Zealand." It just doesn't feel real.

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Yeah, this is my dream to come here

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and to actually get that, it's just...

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It hasn't sunk in and I don't think it will for quite a while yet.

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But, with just one week to persuade her mum life would

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be better in New Zealand, Richelle will need to find her bearings fast.

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Back in the UK, classroom assistant Lorraine

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and 18-year-old daughter Richelle live in this three-bedroom

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bungalow in Kinmel Bay, North Wales and, as relationships between

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mothers and daughters go, they don't come much stronger than this one.

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'We are extremely close.'

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We're less like mother and daughter and more like best friends,

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really, and she is my rock, my best friend, my confidant, you know,

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my everything.

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They spend almost all their spare time together.

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We go to these Country and Western festivals and we dress up

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with our Stetsons and boots and we do a bit of line dancing.

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We go for walks together. We have our nails done.

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She's even talking lately about me going round the clubs in Rhyl.

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At 50, that is not an option.

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But the relationship is being put to the test, with Richelle trying

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desperately to convince her mum to follow her dream

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and move to New Zealand, even though neither have ever been.

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Everything Richelle seems to do, it's all with New Zealand in mind.

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'I absolutely fell in love with New Zealand through

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'geography in school, where we

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'saw these amazing mountains with the snow.

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'The backdrops are fantastic.'

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They've got nice holiday destinations with beaches,

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just like we have here. Only they have the summer for it.

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Lorraine emigrated to Australia in her 20s,

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returning to the UK before Richelle was born.

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Now, older and wiser, she doesn't know

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if she's got the strength to do it all over again.

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At 50, I can see pitfalls and I can see problems arising,

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financial difficulties. Will I be getting a job?

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'Will I be able to settle? Will I be able to make friends?'

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And I'm really quite concerned if I'm doing the right thing or not.

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A legacy from Lorraine's time down under is Australian passports

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for her and Richelle, meaning they won't need visas for New Zealand.

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That should make a move straightforward.

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But if Lorraine was to leave Wales, she'd also have to leave her mum.

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My mum has always been there to help, both me and my daughter.

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She's always lived just down the road away from us.

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Always phone each other every day.

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I can't see me being in New Zealand, thinking,

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"My God, I've left my mum."

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Richelle's original idea was for her nan to go with them but health

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issues mean it's extremely unlikely she'll be able to make the move.

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Richelle's all too aware of the emotional turmoil her mum faces.

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This is part of my dilemma.

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If we go out to New Zealand and my mum is not happy or not settled,

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that would break my heart to see my best friend unhappy.

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Richelle's dream of a new life down under means Lorraine will

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have to choose between her mum and her daughter.

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It seems that whatever's going to happen, someone's potentially

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going to lose their mum, whether it's me with you, or you with your mum.

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It's a dilemma all round.

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For their first-ever trip to New Zealand, Richelle and Lorraine

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are visiting the Greater Auckland region in the North Island.

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It's the most populated city in the country

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but, surrounded by hundreds of small suburbs,

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it promises plenty of opportunity for an outdoor lifestyle.

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Home for the week is a two-bedroom cottage in Coatesville,

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a small community about 18 miles north-west of the city.

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With Richelle keen on a rural home down under,

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this spot could be perfect.

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LORRAINE GASPS

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-Oh, my God.

-Wow.

-That is fantastic.

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No, Mum, it's the little cottage on the left, I think.

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I don't care if it's that garage. It's fabulous.

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She's not out of the car yet, but I think Lorraine is impressed.

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-Died and gone to heaven.

-Is it just this part or is it...? Oh, no.

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I think it's just this part.

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Their two-bedroom rental cottage is attached to the owner's home

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and forms part of a traditional Kiwi lifestyle plot,

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so it should be right up their street.

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OK, so this is the kitchen.

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So, it's really small.

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I wouldn't mind washing up though. No dishwasher. Just that amazing view.

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I'll keep you up for that.

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Nothing's going to dent Richelle's enthusiasm.

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I love these big, quirky rooms and the campfire. Absolutely amazing.

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-Have to learn how to work that.

-Lovely.

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There's different, funny, funky room shapes, isn't there?

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-Yeah, definitely.

-Not square boxes.

-Have you seen the view?

-Oh.

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That is what I am talking about. Beautiful.

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These lifestyle blocks are absolutely amazing.

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Richelle's mission to sell the New Zealand lifestyle to her mum

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has well and truly begun.

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Sold. Have squatters got rights over here?

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THEY CHUCKLE

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It's amicable now,

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but the coming week will put this relationship through the wringer

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if Lorraine can't be convinced of a future in New Zealand.

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I'll just have to suck it and see, find out some more first.

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-But first day, first feeling...

-Impression.

-First impression -

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it's absolutely beautiful.

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Home for the Barkers in the UK is a three-bedroom detached

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bungalow in Kinmel Bay, North Wales.

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But if Richelle can convince her mum to move, what sort of

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house would they be looking for in New Zealand?

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My dream house would be a wooden, weatherboard house,

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three bedrooms, big private plot of land,

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half an hour to an hour away from civilisation.

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I do like wooden houses and I don't like square boxes,

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so anything that's quirky or a little bit different.

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-Yeah, so, some of it is quite similar, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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There's one thing we agree on, anyway. Just location.

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Got this idea of having chickens and sheep.

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I'd be happy with just a dog.

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The Barkers' property budget for New Zealand is £200,000.

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To show them what their money might buy,

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we've selected three properties.

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One on-budget, one their ideal home, and one in between.

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After seeing each, they'll find out what they cost.

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First stop is the farming region of Kaukapakapa.

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45 minutes from the centre of Auckland,

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it's a popular area for people wanting to combine city working

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with rural living, so it should appeal to Richelle.

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This four-bedroom property has plenty of room inside.

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And with 2.4 acres outside, it could also give Richelle

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the space she needs for those sheep and chickens.

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-Wow, what do you think of this?

-It's a view, isn't it?

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They've got a little tree swing as well. It's quite cool.

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-Nice approach.

-Yeah, it's really nice. It's a nice deck.

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I hope they've got one on the other side as well

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-cos that's where the view is.

-Oh, it is lovely.

-Very nice.

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So far, so good. But what about the inside?

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It does need a lot of TLC, I think.

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But they've got the space to do it with.

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But would they have the inclination?

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I don't know. Let's...

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That's nice. Wow. A brand-new cooker.

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-It's not a bad size.

-It's really nice.

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-It would have to be...

-Modernised.

-Mm.

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But depending on the price, I mean, things could be done with it.

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I'm not sure Lorraine is entirely convinced.

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Safe to say we won't be buying the furniture.

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Richelle needs to find something to please her mum - and quick.

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-This is bedroom number one. Decent size, isn't it?

-It is.

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I suppose the bed is big so it's taking up some room.

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They've got cowboy hats, Mum. Ready for us to move in.

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Nice try but not sure it's going to be enough.

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-There's a lot of money to be spent here.

-There is.

-It's old electric.

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And it's...everything from carpets to curtains.

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Skirting boards, ceilings. Interior doors as well.

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And that noise all day with the lorries passing.

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-Yes.

-You're right on a busy road.

-It's a highway.

-It's a highway.

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-They're doing 100km.

-Yeah.

-Well, we'll see.

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They are underwhelmed by the interior of this house, and with

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the busy road running parallel, outside could be a problem, too.

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I'm just not feeling it here. With that road, I think...

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We're not used to it, aren't we? It's just...

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I know it's not very frequent, those cars,

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but it's just there and you can't change that.

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It's not quite the rural retreat the ladies first thought,

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but Richelle isn't giving up just yet.

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So, what would you want to put on here? 2.3 acres.

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Just sheep and chickens. Cos this is what we wanted. Well, what I wanted.

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-Yeah, I don't know about "we" there, but...

-Yeah, this is...

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-This is ticking boxes from the outside.

-Uh-huh.

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Just not sure about the house.

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This house has the land Richelle wants

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but will it be within their reach financially?

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Well, our budget is £200,000. I'm going to say 160.

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Because of the work that needs to be done on the house.

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-Do you want to turn over the card?

-Hmm!

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-OK, here we go.

-SHE HUMS A FANFARE

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Wow.

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So, that was quite a lot more than what we expected.

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-It must be the area.

-It's the lifestyle block.

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It's the lifestyle block. That's what you're paying for, I suppose -

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that land.

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-I thought our budget would be quite enough to buy a better house.

-Oops.

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The real cost of lifestyle living

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is threatening to derail Richelle's dream.

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Will the next house lift her spirits?

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It's a well presented three-bedroom house

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in the small township of Parakai.

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It's further away from the city centre

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so should offer more value for money.

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Well, it's very suburban.

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Squashed in with thousands of others.

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It's not ticking any of my checklist.

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OK, it isn't quite the lifestyle block Richelle is looking for,

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but could the inside win her over?

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-Let's have a look inside.

-House number two.

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Oh, wow. That's...amazing.

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-It's a bit more...

-Compared to the other house.

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-It's open plan, isn't it?

-Yeah, I love open plan.

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-Oh, wow. It's a nice kitchen.

-Yeah. Nice workable kitchen, isn't it?

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So much more positive than the last place.

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-There's not much to do at all here.

-I know.

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-I love the way it flows outside.

-Yeah, that is nice.

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-Nice and clean as well, isn't it?

-Yeah.

-There's nothing to do, really.

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But is there outdoor space for Richelle's livestock plans?

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It's a really nice garden. It's a really low-maintenance garden.

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-A nice bit of decking.

-But there's no way for chickens, or for sheep.

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You can't have everything.

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And a lack of space for animals isn't the only problem.

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I can see about 50... 50 houses in one glance.

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I know it's quiet now but you've got kids on the weekend.

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So, outside isn't perfect. Perhaps it's time to go back indoors.

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-Oh, so this comes into the lounge?

-Very nice.

-It's big enough. I mean...

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Yeah, there's only two of us. It's fine.

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-Oh, this is a nice size.

-Oh, wow. Yeah, this is lovely.

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Nothing to do here - new electrics, new carpets.

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Right. So, it's a main bathroom. And it's got...

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a washing machine in.

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OK.

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I don't think I could fit in that bath.

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-That's not a bath, that's a shower.

-For your feet.

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-It's... It's usable.

-Usable. If you're the Hobbit, it's usable.

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The bath's too small, the neighbours too close,

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but can they actually afford it on their £200,000 budget?

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How much do you think it is worth?

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House-wise, it's a good...good place.

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But squashed and with all that, overlooking, no privacy -

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I think £200,000.

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-Am I being realistic?

-I don't know.

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I said 160 on the last place when it was 283.

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Shall we see how much it's worth?

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-A-ha!

-OK, so it's under budget by £5,000.

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So, it's £195,000,

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-NZ355,000...

-Good guess.

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..so it's less than our budget

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but we'll still have to get a mortgage for it.

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There is nothing to do,

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so you wouldn't be spending any more money

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if it's only your own mark on it,

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but you're still coming down an alleyway, you're still overlooked.

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Well...

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I don't think I can afford my dream.

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That's quite a frightening aspect of it.

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Today certainly isn't going to plan. And, with Richelle now questioning

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whether they can afford the dream home in New Zealand,

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any chance of persuading Lorraine to make the move could be irrelevant.

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Can property number three offer them both the right price and location?

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This four-bedroom house is in Helensville,

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within easy commuting distance to central Auckland

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and, with plenty of social clubs and activities nearby, it could

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give the Barkers the community feel they're yearning for.

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-It's a real cottagey look to it, isn't it?

-It's got the veranda.

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And it's got a chicken.

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That's got to be a good sign!

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Oh, look, Mum, it's got a campfire.

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It's an old pot belly thing. That's a nice feature, mind, isn't it?

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-It can be lovely and warm in the winter.

-It's a really nice room.

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It's a nice open plan. It flows into the dining room, which is quite nice.

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Oh, that's a nice sized kitchen.

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It needs a bit of TLC, but I think it's...

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Yeah, it's the size we're looking for and that's

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really ample for the two of us.

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It's looking promising so far.

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-First house with stairs.

-It's really strange. There are nice.

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Lovely spindles.

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-We haven't lived in a house with stairs for years.

-I know.

-Oh, wow.

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-It's quite a big sized room.

-Wow, it's huge, yeah.

-Oh, it's nice.

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-Nice and...breezy and cool.

-It's lovely.

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It's got a really nice view as well.

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Inside seems to have won Richelle and Lorraine over

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but will the garden offer more privacy than the last property?

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Nice.

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Considering, houses, you can see houses at the back

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and at the sides, you're not looking in somebody else's window.

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You feel like you're private. Secluded, really.

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This house seems to work for them, inside and out.

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Your own little oasis. It's lovely.

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But will it be priced to please?

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It's got to be over £200,000. But how much by?

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I'm going to put my neck out, not knowing the area or prices -

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235. £235,000.

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-Right, OK.

-But I could be well off the mark.

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I'm going to say it's bang on our budget at £200,000.

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Right, do you want to go for it?

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-Oh.

-Halfway between the two of us.

-It was, yeah.

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-£217,000.

-Which is NZ395,000.

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That's nearly £20,000 over the Barkers' budget.

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But if Richelle and Lorraine can secure well-paid jobs,

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it might not be out of reach.

0:18:130:18:15

-So, it's round about what I was thinking...

-Yeah.

-..but...yeah.

0:18:150:18:19

-So, it's quite a nice house, isn't it? Nice area.

-Yeah.

0:18:190:18:24

It is. It is nice. You can't really say much different.

0:18:240:18:27

The house prices are so much more expensive than I imagined.

0:18:270:18:30

It's been a bad start to Richelle's week as the real cost of

0:18:320:18:35

the kind of property she wants has been revealed.

0:18:350:18:38

Property one offered the lifestyle block she's been dreaming of

0:18:380:18:42

but at a price they weren't prepared to pay.

0:18:420:18:44

The second house was more affordable but was too overlooked.

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And the final house was almost perfect

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but just beyond their budget.

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So, based on what they've seen today,

0:18:540:18:56

will the Barkers vote for a property in the UK or New Zealand?

0:18:560:18:59

We've had a real eye-opener today looking at the three different houses

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around New Zealand and, based on what we've seen today, we vote for...

0:19:040:19:10

-..UK.

-I'm very undecided.

0:19:190:19:22

And I'm surprised that you have picked the UK.

0:19:220:19:25

It's been a really surprising day. It's just been super disappointing.

0:19:250:19:29

I just thought we could get

0:19:290:19:31

so much more for our money than what we've been shown today.

0:19:310:19:35

Richelle's dreamt of a new life in New Zealand for almost ten years

0:19:420:19:45

but the true cost of property could put the move on ice

0:19:450:19:48

if she can't find the right job with the right salary.

0:19:480:19:51

Back in the UK, Richelle earns around £10,000 a year

0:19:530:19:56

as a full-time accounts assistant, while studying for her final exams.

0:19:560:20:01

I'm not on much at the moment,

0:20:010:20:03

as I'm just on an accounts assistant wage,

0:20:030:20:07

but if we do go, we will need a mortgage,

0:20:070:20:09

we will need finance on the cars,

0:20:090:20:11

so the right salary to cover those bases would be fantastic,

0:20:110:20:15

would be needed.

0:20:150:20:17

As a classroom assistant for young people with learning difficulties,

0:20:170:20:21

Lorraine earns a similar wage.

0:20:210:20:23

She loves her job, but is willing to be flexible in New Zealand.

0:20:230:20:27

I know beggars can't be choosers, and at 50 I'm not sure

0:20:270:20:30

I'm going to have a lot of options, but I would like to think

0:20:300:20:34

that I would gain a similar position.

0:20:340:20:37

As part of their fact-finding week down under,

0:20:370:20:40

we've arranged for Richelle and Lorraine

0:20:400:20:42

to explore the local job market.

0:20:420:20:44

Lorraine has come to the Wilson School

0:20:440:20:46

for children with special needs in Takapuna

0:20:460:20:48

and hopes Principal Jan Kennington can put some of her worries to rest.

0:20:480:20:53

I am 50, and I'm just a little bit concerned.

0:20:530:20:58

Is that too old to be applying for posts for a teacher's aide?

0:20:580:21:03

Age isn't a barrier, in my view.

0:21:030:21:06

I think that would be the case in most special schools in New Zealand.

0:21:060:21:09

What we are looking for are people who are passionate

0:21:090:21:12

about our students and are fit and able and ready and willing

0:21:120:21:16

to roll their sleeves up and get stuck in.

0:21:160:21:20

A large number of our students

0:21:200:21:22

have got a significant physical disability,

0:21:220:21:24

so we need people who are able to help with hoisting them,

0:21:240:21:28

moving them, positioning them

0:21:280:21:30

and taking care of all of their physical needs.

0:21:300:21:33

So it's really more a question of what you're prepared to do,

0:21:330:21:37

-rather than what you are qualified to do.

-I see.

0:21:370:21:41

That's exactly what Lorraine needs to hear,

0:21:410:21:44

and if she's happy, it could take some of the pressure off Richelle.

0:21:440:21:48

Yesterday was very disappointing, so today...

0:21:480:21:50

Everything is riding on today, really.

0:21:500:21:53

Richelle will be graduating as an account technician soon

0:21:530:21:56

and hopes her qualifications will be transferable to New Zealand.

0:21:560:21:59

To find out, she's meeting Martin Richardson,

0:21:590:22:02

Director at a local accountancy firm.

0:22:020:22:05

Once our graduates have finished university, there's still

0:22:050:22:08

another three or four year training programme

0:22:080:22:10

-to get into the New Zealand Institute.

-Right.

0:22:100:22:13

So there's a Foundations programme that takes the first year,

0:22:130:22:17

then there's another two or three years,

0:22:170:22:19

so you get work experience and you get on-the-job training.

0:22:190:22:23

So if I were to emigrate, I would have to do the extra three,

0:22:230:22:27

-four years?

-Yes.

-To be recognised?

-Yes, I would think so.

0:22:270:22:31

That would mean more studying for Richelle,

0:22:310:22:34

but it isn't putting her off.

0:22:340:22:36

So are there many job opportunities for someone like me

0:22:360:22:39

-emigrating out to New Zealand?

-I think so.

0:22:390:22:42

It obviously depends on your CV and how good you are, but currently

0:22:420:22:46

we're employing for next year's grad intake,

0:22:460:22:49

so all the accounting firms in Auckland will do

0:22:490:22:52

a grad recruitment around this period.

0:22:520:22:55

The bigger firms will take up to 50 or 60,

0:22:550:22:58

so there could be 300 or 400 grad jobs going.

0:22:580:23:02

Sounds like Richelle could have more job opportunities

0:23:020:23:05

here than in the UK.

0:23:050:23:07

What kind of salary would I expect with my age? I am only 18.

0:23:070:23:12

Well, currently we're offering 44,000 for the graduates

0:23:120:23:15

that we're taking on next year,

0:23:150:23:17

and after the three years in getting experience you'd move through

0:23:170:23:21

to a senior, and the starting rate

0:23:210:23:23

for seniors is about 65,000 currently.

0:23:230:23:26

About two years later you can get to manager, which is about 80,000,

0:23:260:23:30

and then basically, the sky is the limit after that, really.

0:23:300:23:33

-Wow, that is brilliant.

-That's great news.

0:23:330:23:36

If Richelle was earning around £24,500,

0:23:360:23:38

it would be more than double what she makes at home.

0:23:380:23:42

This could put her dream back on track,

0:23:420:23:44

if Lorraine's happy with the possibilities in her line of work.

0:23:440:23:47

Are there jobs available?

0:23:470:23:49

And where would I go to find out where they are?

0:23:490:23:52

There certainly are jobs available in special schools,

0:23:520:23:56

but also supporting students in mainstream schools.

0:23:560:24:00

Most of the advertising happens through the local newspapers.

0:24:000:24:05

Good news again, but will Lorraine fare as well on the financial front?

0:24:050:24:10

Middle of the range teacher aides

0:24:100:24:13

would be earning about 16.50 an hour.

0:24:130:24:16

Because you're only working 25 hours a week over 44 weeks,

0:24:160:24:21

that would work out somewhere between NZ18,500-NZ19,000.

0:24:210:24:27

That equates to just over £10,000,

0:24:270:24:30

slightly more than Lorraine gets at home.

0:24:300:24:33

Has the day addressed some of her concerns?

0:24:330:24:35

I am just so happy that this segment of my big question...

0:24:350:24:39

Being 50 is something I can't change,

0:24:390:24:43

so it has to be either they accept me as I am or it's a no-goer,

0:24:430:24:47

and today, it was so positive, I don't see a barrier any more.

0:24:470:24:51

After a disappointing start to their week,

0:24:510:24:54

work opportunities have proved much more positive.

0:24:540:24:56

But are Lorraine and Richelle a step closer

0:24:560:24:59

to making a new life together in New Zealand?

0:24:590:25:01

We've had a really interesting day today in Auckland

0:25:010:25:04

looking at all the job possibilities and,

0:25:040:25:06

based on what we found out today, we're going to vote for...

0:25:060:25:11

-New Zealand.

-New Zealand.

0:25:220:25:24

-Really?

-Oh, yeah.

-Wow!

-It's been awesome.

0:25:240:25:27

It's been really interesting and I've been blown away by what

0:25:270:25:30

-I've found out.

-Fantastic. Auckland's winning you over, then?

0:25:300:25:34

New Zealand, no surprise.

0:25:340:25:36

It's just amazing, I was blown away by how much support is given,

0:25:360:25:39

the salary, and the chance to progress within the career and grow.

0:25:390:25:45

That's exactly the path I'd love to take.

0:25:450:25:47

Exploring work options proved to be a really positive experience

0:25:520:25:56

for both Richelle and Lorraine,

0:25:560:25:58

but Richelle knows there's a long way to go yet

0:25:580:26:01

if she's to persuade her mum to move halfway around the world.

0:26:010:26:06

Could a day experiencing the New Zealand lifestyle help?

0:26:060:26:09

The country's landscape makes it perfect

0:26:120:26:15

for a wealth of outdoor activities.

0:26:150:26:17

In the UK, Richelle loves off-road driving,

0:26:190:26:22

so the day gets underway with a four-wheel-drive experience,

0:26:220:26:26

offering her the chance to combine her hobby

0:26:260:26:28

with her love of the great outdoors.

0:26:280:26:30

I feel so excited to actually

0:26:300:26:32

be on a four-wheel-drive tour in New Zealand.

0:26:320:26:35

It's going to be so good.

0:26:350:26:36

-LORRAINE:

-Oooh!

0:26:380:26:40

Not sure Lorraine is quite as excited!

0:26:400:26:43

LORRAINE SQUEALS

0:26:430:26:45

It certainly beats rush hour in Kinmel Bay.

0:26:450:26:48

Can you see where we're going?

0:26:480:26:50

Go on, Richelle, put your foot down!

0:26:500:26:52

If they move to New Zealand,

0:26:590:27:00

this is something Richelle could enjoy on a regular basis.

0:27:000:27:04

Oh, my God, that was so cool! That was really, really steep!

0:27:040:27:07

I just love four-wheel driving.

0:27:070:27:08

But if her dream is to avoid biting the dust, she needs to remember

0:27:080:27:13

today's about selling the lifestyle to her mum, too.

0:27:130:27:16

Oh, my God, what an experience!

0:27:160:27:18

I don't think it would be quite for me because I would be so frightened,

0:27:180:27:22

I can't even see a track for a vehicle.

0:27:220:27:24

To go for it on a track that doesn't look like a track...

0:27:240:27:28

Phew! It just blows your mind.

0:27:280:27:30

Blows your mind.

0:27:300:27:32

The jury's still out.

0:27:330:27:35

Perhaps a chance to do as the locals do,

0:27:350:27:37

and explore the scenery from the seat of a saddle,

0:27:370:27:40

will be more to Lorraine's taste.

0:27:400:27:42

I think it was last year when we went out on bikes last.

0:27:430:27:45

So cold. It takes the joy out of it then, doesn't it?

0:27:450:27:49

If you've got a place like this, with this view and these houses...

0:27:490:27:53

-Oh, yeah, beautiful.

-Absolutely fabulous.

0:27:530:27:56

Sounds like this could be more Lorraine's pace,

0:27:560:27:59

and Richelle's happy, too.

0:27:590:28:01

I want to be more active,

0:28:010:28:03

and when you've got the weather and the scenery, you can't beat it.

0:28:030:28:06

New Zealand could definitely offer Richelle more action,

0:28:060:28:09

but she knows her mum still faces a difficult decision.

0:28:090:28:13

If she wants to stay at home with Nan,

0:28:130:28:16

obviously that's her decision, but I've got to go where my heart is,

0:28:160:28:20

and my heart's definitely in New Zealand.

0:28:200:28:22

That's a real turning point for Richelle,

0:28:220:28:24

who until now couldn't see a future in New Zealand without her mum.

0:28:240:28:28

But if Lorraine decides to stay put in the UK,

0:28:280:28:31

it might be her only option.

0:28:310:28:33

I can see a fabulous lifestyle here.

0:28:330:28:36

But...

0:28:360:28:37

would I be happy knowing my mum is alone and lonely in the UK?

0:28:370:28:44

And me as her only surviving daughter,

0:28:440:28:46

11,000 miles away, having a good time? Whoop-whoop!

0:28:460:28:50

I don't think that would sit well with me,

0:28:500:28:52

I don't think that's right at all.

0:28:520:28:55

No matter what Lorraine decides,

0:28:550:28:57

she's going to have to say goodbye to someone she loves.

0:28:570:29:01

If Richelle decided to move to New Zealand without me,

0:29:010:29:05

I would feel lost, but it is only natural progress.

0:29:050:29:09

I know I would feel lost, cos, since the age of three,

0:29:090:29:12

it's only been her and I.

0:29:120:29:15

If it has to be, it has to be. She's her own person.

0:29:150:29:19

Tough decisions lie ahead but, based on what they've done today,

0:29:200:29:24

has Lorraine seen enough to want more

0:29:240:29:26

of the lifestyle New Zealand could offer?

0:29:260:29:29

We've explored so much of what New Zealand's got to offer

0:29:300:29:33

lifestyle-wise and, based on our experiences today, we vote for...

0:29:330:29:37

-New Zealand!

-New Zealand.

0:29:430:29:45

-Really?!

-Yeah.

-It really is winning you over!

0:29:450:29:49

It is, I've got to say. It's been an awesome day

0:29:490:29:51

and it's just unbelievable what opportunities there are.

0:29:510:29:55

And today has just... It just opens your eyes to possibilities,

0:29:550:29:59

and I'm really impressed.

0:29:590:30:00

-Really good, I'm really glad.

-Whoop-whoop!

0:30:000:30:03

Lorraine seems to be coming round, but could mother and daughter

0:30:080:30:12

actually afford the lifestyle Richelle wants?

0:30:120:30:14

They believe their house back in the UK is worth £150,000,

0:30:140:30:19

so we sent round two estate agents to find out for sure.

0:30:190:30:22

God, it doesn't seem like our place, does it?

0:30:220:30:25

Yes, very nice lounge-dining room, nicely decorated.

0:30:270:30:32

I can smell... It smells like they might have had a dog

0:30:320:30:35

and I'm afraid that odours are really a no-no,

0:30:350:30:39

so I would suggest that they got some air fresheners in.

0:30:390:30:42

-THEY LAUGH

-Cheeky devil!

-I know, right?

0:30:420:30:45

The kitchen's a nice size with fitted units

0:30:450:30:48

and plenty of room for appliances.

0:30:480:30:51

And there's also a nice, modern gas central heating system.

0:30:510:30:54

Here we are now in the master bedroom.

0:30:550:30:58

It's a double bedroom with fitted wardrobes,

0:30:580:31:01

which are nicely presentable.

0:31:010:31:04

A good-sized space for a double bed, so a good room as a master bedroom.

0:31:040:31:09

This bedroom's particularly appealing,

0:31:090:31:11

nice position overlooking the lovely garden.

0:31:110:31:14

Still has some nice modern features, wall features,

0:31:140:31:17

nice and bright and neutral colours, easier for somebody moving in.

0:31:170:31:20

You could put any colour in there, couldn't you, really?

0:31:200:31:23

Modern bathroom, very pleased to see.

0:31:230:31:25

It's a white suite, which is very typical today.

0:31:250:31:29

Yes, very nice room.

0:31:290:31:30

Horrible tiles.

0:31:300:31:32

A three-bed, three-bedroom, detached property in this location

0:31:320:31:35

in today's market, we would hope to achieve in the region of 140-145.

0:31:350:31:39

For a quick sale, I would suggest putting it on the market at 139,950.

0:31:390:31:43

-No chance.

-No!

0:31:430:31:45

For this particular bungalow, in this particular location,

0:31:450:31:49

I would advise an achieve sale price of £140,000,

0:31:490:31:53

and for a quick sale I would recommend no more than 135.

0:31:530:31:59

That's £10,000 less than they were hoping for.

0:31:590:32:03

It used to be quite an expensive area, didn't it? But...

0:32:030:32:06

It's a sign of the times, I think.

0:32:060:32:09

It's not a great start.

0:32:090:32:10

But can number-cruncher Richelle makes the figures work

0:32:100:32:14

when comparing potential living costs in New Zealand to the UK?

0:32:140:32:18

First up is a comparison of their weekly food bill.

0:32:180:32:21

Milk, four pints.

0:32:210:32:23

NZ, the difference is £1.75.

0:32:230:32:28

-For milk.

-Wow.

-For four pints.

0:32:280:32:30

-So it's cheaper in the UK.

-Mm-hmm.

0:32:300:32:32

Richelle will need to think quick

0:32:320:32:34

if she's going to keep Lorraine onside.

0:32:340:32:37

Chicken is cheaper, and rice is cheaper in New Zealand, as well.

0:32:370:32:41

But are they cheap enough to make a difference to the food bill?

0:32:410:32:44

That's 47.99 in the UK...

0:32:440:32:47

and 73.84 in New Zealand,

0:32:470:32:50

so that is £25.85 difference.

0:32:500:32:54

And this is a weekly shop,

0:32:540:32:55

so you're looking at £100 a month difference.

0:32:550:32:58

-Yeah.

-Roughly.

0:32:580:32:59

-£100. It's quite a big...

-It is quite a lot.

0:33:010:33:05

Even basing their calculations on the cheapest property they saw,

0:33:050:33:08

it's suddenly looking like an expensive move.

0:33:080:33:11

But will Richelle's pay increase be enough to pull them out of a hole?

0:33:110:33:16

But we haven't taken into account the combined income,

0:33:160:33:21

which is £637 per month,

0:33:210:33:24

so that leaves us...

0:33:240:33:26

We're £415.55 better off in New Zealand.

0:33:260:33:30

-A month?

-A month.

-For real?

-For real.

0:33:300:33:34

-Oh, my God, that sounds really good.

-It is pretty good.

0:33:340:33:36

-Let me write that down, how much are we better off?

-£415.55.

0:33:360:33:42

Well recovered, Richelle. That's a great result.

0:33:440:33:47

So, now they're in the money,

0:33:470:33:49

how are Richelle and Lorraine going to vote?

0:33:490:33:52

Today we did a comparison check on the cost of living in New Zealand

0:33:520:33:56

and, based on what we found today, we're going to vote for...

0:33:560:34:00

-New Zealand.

-New Zealand.

0:34:090:34:11

-Really?

-Yes.

-Wow!

0:34:110:34:13

This is looking really good.

0:34:130:34:14

I was quite surprised. With a mortgage,

0:34:140:34:17

as well as the other factors involved in cost of living,

0:34:170:34:20

I thought it was quite favourable.

0:34:200:34:24

-Yeah.

-I was really surprised.

0:34:240:34:25

Over £400 better off to live in New Zealand a month.

0:34:250:34:30

Yeah, I was quite surprised. So for that reason I voted for New Zealand.

0:34:300:34:34

It's another good result for Richelle, but Lorraine's always

0:34:400:34:43

been concerned that starting again in a new country may not be as easy

0:34:430:34:47

for her as it will be for her 18-year-old daughter.

0:34:470:34:50

They're both keen country music fans at home,

0:34:500:34:53

so we've arranged a trip to the local line dancing club

0:34:530:34:56

to give them a taste of the social scene New Zealand could offer.

0:34:560:35:00

Is it a good way of making friends, joining this kind of club?

0:35:000:35:03

Absolutely.

0:35:030:35:05

I mean, that wasn't my prime reason for doing it, it was exercise

0:35:050:35:07

and I liked the music, but, yes, I've made great friends.

0:35:070:35:12

And then we're socialising outside line dancing, as well.

0:35:120:35:16

There are quite a few groups around, so some of these ladies go to

0:35:160:35:19

several different classes during the week,

0:35:190:35:21

they might go three or four times, so you get different groups

0:35:210:35:25

of friends and then you get to know other ones and different groups.

0:35:250:35:30

-That's brilliant.

-It's awesome.

0:35:300:35:33

It's small steps, but Richelle's dream of having her mum by her side

0:35:330:35:37

in New Zealand could be getting closer.

0:35:370:35:39

It looks like they're getting into the groove.

0:35:410:35:43

COUNTRY MUSIC PLAYS

0:35:430:35:46

She's certainly enjoying the music,

0:35:480:35:49

but has this evening given Lorraine the answer she's looking for?

0:35:490:35:53

It's a really good way of making friends,

0:35:530:35:55

and it could be just that little thing extra that entices me

0:35:550:35:58

to think, "Wow, I could go for it," you know?

0:35:580:36:03

Just on something like this.

0:36:030:36:04

BOTH: Yee-hah!

0:36:070:36:09

It's been a positive week for Richelle,

0:36:150:36:17

as, one by one, here mum's concerns

0:36:170:36:20

about a life in New Zealand have vanished.

0:36:200:36:22

But with Lorraine still worried about leaving her own mum,

0:36:220:36:25

the biggest hurdle is still to come, as the pair sits down

0:36:250:36:28

to messages from their loved ones back in the UK.

0:36:280:36:32

Hello, Lorraine, hello, Ric.

0:36:320:36:34

I hope you're finding what you're looking for, my love,

0:36:340:36:37

and the weather's kind to you.

0:36:370:36:39

Hiya, Lorraine, hiya, Richelle.

0:36:390:36:41

I hope you've had a fab time,

0:36:410:36:43

I hope it's been what you expect it to be

0:36:430:36:46

and I hope you haven't enjoyed it too much.

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Hi, Ricky, I hope everything's going all right.

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I know you'll be enjoying it already,

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and I just hope you're having fun, mainly.

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Hello, Lorraine, hello, Richelle, I hope your week has gone

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really well, I hope the weather's been really good.

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They're the loveliest two people I've ever met in my life.

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You have to go a long way to meet anybody like that.

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I know I'm their mother, and you shouldn't talk like that,

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but I'm telling the truth.

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Smashing two people, inside and out.

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Lovely. I love them to bits.

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-Don't tell them!

-SHE LAUGHS

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Ricky is a fun, bubbly, crazy,

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generally nice, happy person,

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and I'm glad I met her.

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It'd be a fantastic opportunity for her.

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Part of me doesn't want her to go,

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even though I don't see her very often,

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and then I think, well, it would be a nice holiday to New Zealand,

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as well, if she does, maybe once every few years,

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to catch up with her.

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If they move.... See, I'm starting already, sorry.

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Oh, I'll miss her terrible.

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I know she's there when I need her, do you know what I mean?

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And I think sometimes a friend

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hasn't got to be living on the doorstep.

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They can be just somebody you know is there for you, you know?

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Oh, I'll miss them with all my heart, but...

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it's life, I accept that.

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I'm not a one to sit and cry.

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As long as they're together and look after each other,

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and they're happy, that's the main.

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That's what I do think.

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No, I don't want Richelle to go, I'd rather she stayed...

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..with all her friends.

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Ric, Lorraine, you've been out there for a week,

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you should know what it's like, you should go with your instincts

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and go and have a ball.

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As long as you find happiness, your old mum is happy.

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One of these days I'll knock on your door -

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Ric, get that cup of Oxo on.

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I'll be out there to see you.

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All the very best, love, I'll miss you both, bye.

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That was a bit more emotional than I thought it was going to be.

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And, listening to my mum, she didn't seem

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very positive there about...

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She seemed like waving us off, that's how I felt, that she was...

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It's the final sort of, "I won't hold you back, but adios."

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So it didn't seem any input from her that she would

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contemplate coming with us.

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Watching messages from loved ones is incredibly emotional,

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and for Lorraine it's brought home

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the heartbreaking dilemma she now faces -

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having to choose between her mum and her daughter.

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Richelle's been dreaming of a life in New Zealand for almost 10 years,

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even though she'd never been.

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It was my dream to come out and it hasn't hindered my dream in any way

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coming out, in fact it's escalated it, which is brilliant.

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It's just an amazing country.

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-It's very similar to Wales, mind.

-Yeah, it's beautiful.

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But Richelle's biggest challenge was always going to be convincing

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mum Lorraine to start a new life on the other side of the world.

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It's been quite a turbulent journey for me, emotionally,

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and from the beginning,

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when Richelle started to say about New Zealand,

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I was a bit torn inwardly,

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because, obviously, I'd never been to New Zealand,

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and I'd never been 50 before, so that was a new adventure, as well.

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The week's assured Lorraine she's young enough to start again,

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but Richelle knows she's still torn over leaving her mum back in the UK.

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My nan is quite a frail lady, she's 82 now,

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and I think my mum would stay with her.

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Could this be the end of the road

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for Richelle and Lorraine's life together?

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This is my dream and there's no going back for me.

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I've had an incredible journey with Richelle, seeing her grow up

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and tutoring and mentoring her, and I really want to carry on that.

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Even if it's from a distance when she's got her own family,

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I really want to carry on doing that.

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With her hopes still pinned on New Zealand,

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Richelle's future with her mum is uncertain.

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It all comes down to this moment.

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Will Lorraine's final decision delight or devastate her daughter?

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We have both had a really adventurous week out in New Zealand

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and, based on all our findings, we vote for...

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New Zealand.

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UK.

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Nah, only joking! New Zealand!

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-Really?!

-Yes, really!

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I've got a feeling I don't even want to go on that plane to go home.

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I know! How weird is that? I just feel that this is it.

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-My heart sank so much then!

-I had you.

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-I really don't want to get on that plane to go home.

-Wow.

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-I am so glad. Really?

-Yeah.

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I'd say give us 18 months and we'll be there.

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-I really feel that strong about it.

-That's amazing.

-I want to die here.

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Not particularly this week...

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THEY LAUGH

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Not this week, not for a long time, but I just feel like this is it.

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I want to restart here, I want to retire, and that's it.

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Wow! Oh, my gosh!

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That's amazing! So, 18 months?

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18 months, let's do it, let's get out here.

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-That sounds awesome. Get the house up for sale.

-Whoop-whoop!

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-Argh!

-Whoop-whoop!

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When it came to the final decision,

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Lorraine just wasn't ready to let her daughter fly the nest,

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and Richelle got the result she'd been desperately hoping for.

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Thanks to her nan's blessing, Richelle could be packing

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for a life in New Zealand sooner than she thought with her mum.

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We wish them the happiest of times.

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