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Raising your first child can be hard at the best of times

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but it is even tougher when one parent is hardly ever at home.

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So how far would you go to get the time together you were dreaming of?

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For one young family,

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it could mean a move to the other side of the world.

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Long hours toiling on a farm

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means dad Josh hardly has any time with son Cai.

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And mum Sian has had enough.

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He will go and stand at the front door

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and he will shout for his daddy.

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That really upsets me.

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Desperate to bring her family together,

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she thinks New Zealand could be the answer.

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We need to be working less and living more.

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But when a trial week reveals some home truths

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about starting again on the other side of the world...

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A bit of a shoe box, isn't it?

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Our garden is nothing special at all

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but we have got five times the size of this.

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We can't move to the other side of the world and buy a mansion.

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Will Sian ever be able to persuade Josh to give her

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the life she dreams of?

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One half saying, we just stay in Wales

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and the other half saying, flee the nest.

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I want to move, but I don't think you're going to let me.

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Just over 1,200 miles southeast of Australia,

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New Zealand is made up of two main islands.

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Boasting mountains, glaciers, volcanoes and beaches,

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it's been a magnet for British immigrants ever since the 1800s.

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Back then, the journey took over 100 days, but now it is a lot faster

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for the 9,000 families who make the move each year

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looking for a more relaxed pace of life.

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Sian James is desperate for more time together with partner Josh

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and the couple's young son, Cai.

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And even though she has never been before

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she believes New Zealand could be the answer.

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But will the country live up to Sian's expectations?

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And will she be able to persuade Josh

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to leave behind everything they have in the UK?

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Ahead is a week that will see them decide where their future lies

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once and for all.

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After making their way from Wales to London

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the family fly 12,000 miles to Auckland.

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It is the first time they have been to New Zealand

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and after 26 and a half hours in the air

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the journey has taken them by surprise.

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I don't think it is as easy as I thought to actually get here.

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So, it's... Yeah, it has hit home that it is really far.

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Travelling with a one-year-old child

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didn't make the flight go any quicker.

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It has been quite testing.

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Er, but...you know, I expect that from a youngster,

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travelling all that distance.

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-He did fall asleep every takeoff and every landing.

-Yeah.

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Yeah, he did make a few friends on the trip, didn't he?

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So, after the long trip to get here

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how does Sian feel to finally be in New Zealand?

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It doesn't feel real at the moment.

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I think I need to, you know, see it and live as if we were living here.

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It will be her one shot at persuading Josh to move.

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Now we will be able to answer the questions that we have been asking.

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So hopefully now, they will be the right answers.

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As they set out to explore Auckland

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there is no doubt the next week will make or break Sian's Kiwi dream.

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Back in the UK, Josh Powell and Sian James live

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with their one-year-old son, Cai, in the Welsh village of Pen-y-Groes.

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It is a scenic setting

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but Josh's job on his dad's farm is putting the family under pressure.

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Waking up with the cockerels every morning and working

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until the cows go home at night means

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he has precious little time with his partner and son.

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When I wake up, Josh is gone.

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I get Cai ready, I drop him off and I go to work.

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And then I pick him up and it's just putting him to bed

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and just waiting for you to come home.

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And then Josh is tired because he has been working 13, 14 hours

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so we have food together and then you fall asleep.

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-SHE LAUGHS

-Yeah!

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With farming a seven-days-a-week occupation,

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there is no respite come the weekend, either,

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meaning Josh spends Saturdays

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and Sundays in the field rather than at home.

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It is tough, but, you know, the only thing that keeps me going is knowing

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that I am keeping a roof over his head and putting food on the table.

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Also working full-time

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Sian knows Josh isn't just making hay while the sun shines,

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but worries about Cai seeing so little of his dad.

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He'll go and stand at the front door and he'll shout for his daddy.

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That really upsets me

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because I can see that Cai is wanting that relationship with his dad

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but the hours of his work doesn't allow for that.

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All the hours spent apart

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means Josh is missing out on little moments as Cai grows up.

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He learns a lot of animal noises and then he will do one to me

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out of the blue and I realise that he has been doing it for a while

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but just because I haven't been around, I haven't seen.

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I can see the disappointment on Josh's face then.

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You know, it's just... it's just not nice.

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And it's not just Cai that is being affected.

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We are only young

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but we don't have time together, really, just you and me,

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-going out somewhere, together.

-No.

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Desperate for a normal family life and despite never having been,

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Sian believes the answer could lie in New Zealand.

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Although I love Wales, I don't feel that it's where I want to settle.

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And that work/life balance is vitally important

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and they seem to have it sussed, out there.

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And I just want that.

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But Josh isn't convinced.

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Though he'd love more time at home too

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he believes Sian's head's firmly in the clouds.

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She needs to realise it's not going to be just fun and games.

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You have to work as well, out in New Zealand, to earn a living.

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You can have all the time in the world, but if you can't sustain your

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house and your family, then, you know, you're on a downward spiral.

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For him, moving would mean leaving the village

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he's always called home.

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I've always been in Pen-y-Groes.

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I've got a lot of friends in the area and family.

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We are all a close-knit community around here.

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And having to break the bond

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Cai's already building with his grandparents.

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My mother looks after him two days a week.

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-I think she's...

-She loves him.

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-She loves the time, just her and Cai.

-They love each other.

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So I think it'll be a lot... It will be a big hole to need to fill in.

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While Sian's prepared to sacrifice the relationship

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she has for the sake of her young family's future,

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she fears leaving loved ones could prove too much for Josh.

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I do feel guilty.

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And I know for sure, Josh's mother is going to be heartbroken

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to be away from Cai, because...

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they've got a fantastic bond. They love each other.

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So, that is going to be one of the hardest things.

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But fed up feeling like a single parent

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she knows action is needed if her family are to be together.

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I don't think while staying where we are, or even in Wales...

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I don't think it's going to change because Josh is always going to want

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to help his father because, you know, that's completely natural.

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The week ahead will see the couple decide once and for all

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where their future lies.

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I don't think he sees that moving to the other side of the world is...

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..you know, is something he needs to do to get that, whereas, I do.

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SHE LAUGHS

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-Is grass always greener over the other side?

-Yeah.

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That's the big question.

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To see if New Zealand can offer the family the time together

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she wants, Sian, Josh and Cai are visiting Auckland,

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the country's largest city.

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Their temporary base is an apartment in Swanson,

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a village just over 30 minutes' drive from the city's centre.

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Close to amenities but removed from hustle and bustle, the area should

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be a home from home and from the outside, Sian likes what she sees.

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I really like it. It is really pretty.

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Inside, her enthusiasm continues.

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-It's nice and spacious, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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Oh, wow. That is gorgeous.

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But what does Josh have to say?

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Bit small, I'd say.

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But, er, no, it is a practical space.

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Mmm, a man of few words.

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Could you see us here?

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-Here?

-With that view.

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-Er, no, not in this house.

-SHE LAUGHS

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OK, I'll work on you, then.

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With a bed for Cai sorted, he gets some sleep, while mum

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and dad check out the garden and Josh finally speaks his mind.

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What do you think?

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It's all right, isn't it?

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It's more of an old people's home.

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Low maintenance type thing, isn't it?

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I quite like low maintenance.

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-Low maintenance it is.

-SHE LAUGHS

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Ouch, that's low, Josh!

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As the couple settle in

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Sian's already feeling anxious about what lies ahead.

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This week is the make-or-break week, you know?

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We either fall in love with it and do it or it will never be a reality.

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Convincing Josh to up sticks and start again won't be easy.

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Mainly because of the work and the money.

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I don't see the point of moving all the way across the world

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if you're not going to be better off than what you are back in the UK.

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Sian knows she may have to fight for her dream

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but hopes the coming week will give Josh the answers he wants.

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I genuinely believe that if there was a job with less hours

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and decent pay that Josh would be sold

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because I think he would love living here if we could afford to do so.

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She may be right, but for now,

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Josh remains cautious about where his family's future lies.

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Unless...pretty much every box is ticked with me

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I will be choosing the UK.

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Back in Wales, the family's first home is a two-bedroom house

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they believe is worth around £80,000.

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It is an ex-council house. Small, little garden, nothing special.

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Really, erm, decorated it from what it was.

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-We've stripped all the wallpaper, haven't we?

-Yeah.

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And new floors throughout, so we have worked hard to get it to where it is.

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Despite their best efforts, it's not quite perfect.

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I quite like the downstairs, but I wish we had another living room.

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While Sian's hoping for more from a house in New Zealand...

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I'd like to have three-bedroom-or-more property

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and I'd like it to be modern.

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I'm not so bothered about the lounge

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but the kitchen-diner is the most important part for me.

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Josh's needs are simpler.

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Large garden, that is my main priority, is the garden.

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Obviously then a nice kitchen for Sian.

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Josh and Sian have between £125,000 and £130,000

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to buy a house in New Zealand.

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And with Auckland ranked amongst the world's most expensive cities,

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every penny will count.

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To see what they can afford, we'll show them three properties.

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Two based on budget, and a third based on their ideal home.

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Only after they have seen each one will they find out its cost.

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With Cai cared for by a childminder,

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the search starts in Henderson,

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a large suburb just eight miles from the city centre.

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With shops, schools and excellent transport links,

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the area has everything the young family could need.

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But will the house come up to scratch?

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-It is a bit cramped, isn't it?

-Yes, built up a bit.

-A bit squished in.

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The exterior may not meet Sian's expectations

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but things look more promising inside.

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Quite spacious, going in, isn't it?

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-House is a nice design.

-Yeah, lovely inside.

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Initially, anyway. Closer inspection of the kitchen raises doubts.

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-Nice, basic kitchen, but it's a bit on the small side.

-Yeah.

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-It's nice units and everything.

-Yeah.

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Just a shame that it's a bit small.

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And a glimpse out of the window leaves the couple both uninspired.

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No, it's... not the best view in the world.

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I will be here, spending most of my time cleaning up after you and Cai!

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-Yeah.

-And that's what I'll be looking at.

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Unfortunately, things don't look better in the garden.

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-Ah, it is a bit small, isn't it?

-Yeah, really small.

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It is nice not having all houses built behind us.

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But I don't like it.

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Sian's disappointed

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and it's clearly not the space Josh would want either.

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Our garden's nothing special at all,

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but five times the size of this, isn't it?

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Back home, I can open the patio doors from the kitchen

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and Cai can go out, and he is playing, but he's safe.

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I wouldn't leave him out here because he could leg it, couldn't he?

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The garden might be a letdown, but with three bedrooms,

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this house does have more space than the couple's property at home.

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-Tidy sized double, isn't it?

-Yeah. Nice and big.

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But again, the view's a problem.

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Overlooking other houses wasn't part of Sian's plan.

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-Oh, wow, I've moved to New Zealand(!)

-Yeah, it is...

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Look at the view. SHE LAUGHS

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-Bit cramped, isn't it?

-Yeah, I feel a bit claustrophobic.

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And even a bedroom for guests isn't enough to change her mind.

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We kind of need that little bit of a wow factor

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-so people can understand why we've...

-Yeah.

-..why we've moved.

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This house has been a letdown, but would it be somewhere Sian

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and Josh could call home with their £125,000 to £130,000 budget?

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-I'd say £125,000.

-I just... I think it would be less.

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I would say the £115,000 mark.

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-Shall we have a look?

-Yeah.

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I'm a bit nervous now.

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HE INTAKES BREATH AND CHUCKLES

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Oh!

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-That's much more than I thought it would be.

-Yeah.

-£133,000 is...

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-A bit of a shock, really.

-Yeah.

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I feel a bit gutted. The other two properties need to be less expensive.

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-A bit more special.

-A bit more special.

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So, it's a bit worrying because...

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I don't want to be more disappointed than I am right now.

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The reality of this property's price has floored Sian.

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Her attempt to convince Josh to move isn't off to a good start.

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To win him round

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any house will have to offer more than they have at home.

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Onwards and upwards, the couple move to the suburb of Meadowbank.

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With nearby beaches and schools, and just a short commute to Auckland,

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it's popular with families looking for more affordable housing.

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-It's cute-looking, isn't it?

-It's nice it's a bit off the road.

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But will it be as endearing inside?

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This is nice, eh? Nice and airy.

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-I quite like it.

-Yeah.

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It's a better start.

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I know it's built up around, but there's trees

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-and stuff breaking it up, so it's not so in-your-face.

-Yeah.

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So far, so good.

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But discovering the garden actually belongs to the neighbours

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leads to more disappointment.

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-It's a real shame that we won't have any outside space.

-No.

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You know, you can't really let Cai play on the drive, can you?

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Lacking a big garden again could be another dealbreaker for Josh.

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I think I'd pull my hair out

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if I couldn't be able to go outside in the garden.

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It would do my head in.

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Sian seems happy with the dining area, though.

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I wouldn't mind sitting here, eating my breakfast, looking out on that.

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And I like the calendar!

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Don't think that comes with the house!

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And unfortunately, the tiny kitchen isn't as attractive.

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Bit of a shoe box, isn't it?

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Look at that sink, it's like, you know,

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you can only wash one plate at a time.

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This doesn't give off, like, a family vibe, to be honest with you.

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-No, it's like a flat for...

-Yeah, one or two people, isn't it?

-Yes.

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Like the previous property, this house just isn't what

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Sian envisaged moving across the world for.

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Just a bit gutted that there's no garden and the kitchen is tiny.

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So I can't see us living here.

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A look at the master bedroom restores some hope.

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Nice room, isn't it?

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Lovely big room.

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-Built-in wardrobes again.

-Yep.

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And it doesn't seem so built up because of the trees and things.

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And though there's only two bedrooms,

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the second leaves Josh speechless.

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THEY LAUGH

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He's funny, isn't he?

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A closer look gives Sian serious food for thought.

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-This would be Cai's room, wouldn't it?

-Yeah.

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But then, I don't know if I like that he's looking out on the road

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and he's the closest one to the front door.

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And the bathroom isn't a great selling point either.

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This is a bit cramped, isn't it?

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-It's not child friendly at all, is it, really?

-No.

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I'm a bit disappointed.

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Everything seems to be scaled down here but more expensive.

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Despite a good start, this place has also been a disappointment.

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Could the price make it more appealing?

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The couple's budget is £125,000 to £130,000.

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I think it's going to be around the £128,000 mark.

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But I'm hoping it's less

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so we can still have hope that we could afford something better.

0:17:210:17:25

I think it's worth about £120,000. It is...

0:17:250:17:29

OK, the location is quite near to Auckland,

0:17:290:17:33

but, you know, at the end of the day,

0:17:330:17:35

it is only a two-bedroom house.

0:17:350:17:37

-Shall we have a look?

-Yeah.

0:17:460:17:48

-A-ha! Bang on!

-Yeah.

0:17:500:17:53

Good guess, Sian. £128,000.

0:17:530:17:57

Seeing the prices of properties so far, it has put a doubt in my mind.

0:17:570:18:00

But, d'you know, I suppose if it was someone from New Zealand

0:18:000:18:03

coming to Wales, if you are looking around Cardiff,

0:18:030:18:06

they are going to be expensive,

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and if you go to where we are from, with that sort of budget,

0:18:070:18:11

you'll be...you know, you'll get a really tidy house, won't you?

0:18:110:18:15

So far, their day exploring Auckland's properties

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has fallen way short of even Sian's expectations.

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Can their last viewing deliver the right balance of bang for buck?

0:18:220:18:26

Situated in the township of Parakai, 27 miles northwest of Auckland,

0:18:310:18:35

we found what should be the couple's ideal property.

0:18:350:18:39

This more rural location promises more value for money,

0:18:390:18:42

but will the house have the wow factor Sian wants?

0:18:420:18:47

-First impressions, much, much better, isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:18:470:18:51

At last, something to smile about.

0:18:510:18:54

And Sian's quick to point out the outside space.

0:18:540:18:56

It's not massive, but there's a garden

0:18:560:18:59

and there's plenty of room for Cai to play in.

0:18:590:19:01

To have that decking there, it's nice.

0:19:010:19:03

-We could just come out and eat our supper and things.

-Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:19:030:19:06

From outside, at least,

0:19:060:19:07

this property is much more in line with Sian's dream.

0:19:070:19:10

I'm really liking this one. I hope the inside is nice.

0:19:100:19:14

Only one way to find out.

0:19:140:19:16

-Nice little kitchen.

-Yeah.

0:19:160:19:18

The only thing that I would add to this,

0:19:180:19:21

is I'd want to have the big kitchen table in the kitchen.

0:19:210:19:24

That could be arranged, but may not be enough.

0:19:240:19:27

It kind of feels like a big, static caravan, doesn't it?

0:19:270:19:30

It also needs some TLC.

0:19:300:19:32

But Sian's determined to stay positive

0:19:320:19:34

as the couple check out the master bedroom.

0:19:340:19:36

This room is, you know, it's an all right room.

0:19:360:19:39

-Is this a walk-in wardrobe?

-I don't think it's walk-in.

0:19:390:19:43

-It's a wardrobe.

-Wardrobe.

0:19:430:19:44

Unless there's a hidden Narnia at the back,

0:19:440:19:46

you won't go far in that wardrobe!

0:19:460:19:48

Overall, Josh is confused.

0:19:480:19:51

The other houses...

0:19:510:19:53

I kind of knew before I went in there, this is not for me.

0:19:530:19:56

-So the rest didn't really matter.

-Yeah.

0:19:560:19:58

But driving up here, I thought, this is going to be amazing.

0:19:580:20:01

I think we're just being a bit too fussy.

0:20:010:20:03

I mean, it's got everything we've asked for, really, isn't it?

0:20:030:20:05

It's also got somewhere for guests, even if it is on the petite side.

0:20:050:20:10

It's really, really small, isn't it?

0:20:100:20:13

But it is a third bedroom, which is a plus, isn't it?

0:20:130:20:15

You've just got to think of it as a couple-of-years place.

0:20:150:20:20

I mean, we can't move to the other side of the world and buy a mansion.

0:20:200:20:24

You know, we are not any richer in this country than we are in Wales.

0:20:240:20:28

Sian is doing everything she can to hold on to the dream.

0:20:280:20:31

Even if the house isn't perfect, it could potentially be a home

0:20:310:20:35

but only if within reach of the couple's £125,000 to £130,000 budget.

0:20:350:20:41

Well, it's definitely over budget.

0:20:420:20:45

I would think that it was around the £150,000 mark.

0:20:450:20:50

I'd say it's about £140,000.

0:20:500:20:54

-Shall we have a look?

-Yeah.

0:21:010:21:02

-OK.

-SHE LAUGHS

0:21:050:21:07

-OK. I don't think that's ever achievable for us.

-No.

0:21:070:21:11

That's a shock.

0:21:110:21:12

If we had that kind of money, we could have an amazing house at home.

0:21:120:21:17

-I can't believe that.

-Yeah.

-That's ridiculous.

0:21:170:21:20

You know, if this house, which is

0:21:200:21:22

one that we'd settle for, for a few years, is way out of our reach,

0:21:220:21:27

then, you know, I don't see that it's doable at all.

0:21:270:21:32

Well, I think it's pretty impossible, to be honest with you.

0:21:320:21:35

-It's proper burst the bubble, hasn't it?

-Yeah.

0:21:360:21:39

Discovering the true cost of property in Auckland

0:21:390:21:42

has left Sian stunned

0:21:420:21:43

and could be a real blow to her chances of convincing Josh to move.

0:21:430:21:48

Property 1 was much too small in every way, apart from the price tag.

0:21:480:21:52

Property 2 was a non-runner

0:21:520:21:54

when the couple found out it had no garden,

0:21:540:21:57

yet was still near the top of their budget.

0:21:570:21:59

Although far from their ideal home,

0:21:590:22:01

the final property did give Sian hope the dream was achievable,

0:22:010:22:06

until they discovered it was substantially over budget.

0:22:060:22:10

So, when all's said and done, has house-hunting left them

0:22:100:22:13

favouring property at home or away?

0:22:130:22:15

-UK.

-UK.

-I think it is a no-brainer, isn't it?

0:22:230:22:26

Yeah, it's not really something we need to discuss, is it?

0:22:260:22:30

It's just plain sailing UK.

0:22:300:22:32

-I think our budget means nothing out here.

-No.

0:22:320:22:35

You know, we'd need to be a heck of a lot better off

0:22:350:22:38

to actually do the move.

0:22:380:22:39

With property prospects disappointing,

0:22:430:22:46

Sian's dream has taken a dive,

0:22:460:22:48

and Josh could be further away than ever from agreeing to make the move.

0:22:480:22:52

Emigrating is all about getting a better work/life balance, though.

0:22:520:22:55

So, if the right job opportunities exist, it may not be game over yet.

0:22:550:23:00

In the UK, Josh works between 60 and 70 hours a week on his dad's farm.

0:23:030:23:08

The hours are pretty tough going,

0:23:080:23:10

you don't get to see much of the family.

0:23:100:23:12

The work itself, I enjoy.

0:23:120:23:13

You know, it is long hours, but that's the trade of farming.

0:23:130:23:16

Sian works as a payroll administrator

0:23:160:23:19

and volunteers with the Welsh Special Constabulary.

0:23:190:23:22

I'm hoping that it will lead me

0:23:220:23:23

into the role of regular officer in the future.

0:23:230:23:27

She'd love to turn her volunteering into a career, but whatever path

0:23:270:23:31

she follows, getting the right hours would be key.

0:23:310:23:33

Our working hours are vitally important.

0:23:330:23:36

We need to be working less and living more.

0:23:360:23:39

Ideally, Josh would like to be a tree surgeon

0:23:390:23:42

but if the money isn't right, he'll be sticking with the farm.

0:23:420:23:45

I'm not expecting to earn millions

0:23:450:23:47

but if the salary's not good enough, it'll be end of story then.

0:23:470:23:51

While Cai's looked after by a childminder,

0:23:550:23:58

the couple are anxiously awaiting what their day exploring

0:23:580:24:01

Auckland's job market might bring.

0:24:010:24:03

This is probably one of the most important factors

0:24:030:24:06

in moving to New Zealand.

0:24:060:24:07

I just want good news. And nothing else!

0:24:070:24:10

For Sian, the day begins with a meeting with immigration consultant

0:24:120:24:16

Holger Weischede, to find out about joining New Zealand's police force.

0:24:160:24:20

And unfortunately, it's bad news.

0:24:200:24:22

The police is only recruiting residents.

0:24:220:24:25

You don't have to be a citizen

0:24:250:24:27

but you need to be a resident visa holder already.

0:24:270:24:30

So, what would be the best way for us to get residency?

0:24:300:24:34

I see a potential for the skilled migrant category application,

0:24:340:24:38

most likely it's going to be Josh as the principal applicant

0:24:380:24:41

and you as a secondary and the child as a dependant child, obviously.

0:24:410:24:45

Once you've got the residents visa approved,

0:24:450:24:48

that's when you can apply and be considered for the police positions.

0:24:480:24:53

Sian's dreams of a life on the beat may have to wait.

0:24:530:24:56

Meanwhile, Josh is meeting James Alexander,

0:25:010:25:04

a project manager with one of Auckland's tree surgery companies.

0:25:040:25:08

Australasia-wide, we employ, probably, 400-450 people currently.

0:25:110:25:15

So we've got branches up north, in Hamilton, Wellington, Christchurch

0:25:150:25:20

and offshore in Brisbane.

0:25:200:25:22

Hopefully, that could mean plenty of opportunities.

0:25:220:25:26

So you've seen my CV, what's the chance of me having a job out here?

0:25:260:25:28

Currently, with your CV and being a non-qualified arborist,

0:25:280:25:32

we couldn't employ you in that role.

0:25:320:25:34

It's not the best start for Josh either, but already experienced

0:25:340:25:38

in chainsawing, James reveals branching out shouldn't be too hard.

0:25:380:25:42

You've already got the chainsaw NPTC.

0:25:420:25:43

You need rope and harness and competency for chainsaw in a tree.

0:25:430:25:48

If you were to get those two, then you become of much more interest.

0:25:480:25:52

We could actually take you on as an arborist as such.

0:25:520:25:55

Confident he can add to his qualifications at home, Josh would

0:25:550:25:58

be happy to do so, provided his efforts pay off in the long run.

0:25:580:26:01

-What's the demand?

-It's currently on the job shortage list.

0:26:010:26:05

I would have thought your chances of getting a job would be pretty good.

0:26:050:26:08

It's encouraging,

0:26:080:26:09

but would working as a tree surgeon allow him to cut down his hours?

0:26:090:26:13

-So, roughly, what's the working hours?

-47 and a half hours a week.

0:26:130:26:17

So, compared to your farm work, it's quite a bit less.

0:26:170:26:20

That should be music to Sian's ears.

0:26:200:26:23

All that's left now is to talk money.

0:26:230:26:24

25 an hour or more

0:26:240:26:26

and that would roughly equate to NZ52,000 a year.

0:26:260:26:31

If he gained the necessary qualifications,

0:26:310:26:34

Josh could earn around £7,000 more than he does back home.

0:26:340:26:37

It's a positive end to the meeting.

0:26:370:26:40

Meanwhile, Sian's turned her attention

0:26:400:26:42

from the forces to finance.

0:26:420:26:44

So, I work full-time in finance but I volunteer with the police,

0:26:440:26:47

so I'd be quite happy with either.

0:26:470:26:49

To find out more, she meets Rachel Smith,

0:26:490:26:51

a payroll and admin recruitment specialist.

0:26:510:26:54

Based on my experience, do you think I need more qualifications

0:26:540:26:57

-or do you think I am employable?

-You'd definitely be employable.

0:26:570:27:01

You've got good administration skills,

0:27:010:27:03

so we could put you in a variety of different admin roles.

0:27:030:27:07

That's better news for Sian, but would the hours suit?

0:27:070:27:10

What are the working hours here?

0:27:100:27:12

Most of the roles we are looking at for you would be full-time,

0:27:120:27:15

so between 37 to 40 hours a week.

0:27:150:27:17

That's around what Sian's used to.

0:27:170:27:19

So through temp work with your organisation,

0:27:190:27:23

what would my salary be?

0:27:230:27:25

For a temp or contract assignment, you'd be looking around

0:27:250:27:28

20 to 25 an hour, plus your holiday pay and benefits,

0:27:280:27:33

which would equate to an annual salary of NZ40,000 to NZ45,000.

0:27:330:27:39

An increase of between £5,000 and £7,000 means

0:27:390:27:42

despite a disappointing start, Sian's day has turned out well.

0:27:420:27:46

I'm feeling much happier because the job opportunities are there.

0:27:460:27:49

As far as payroll goes,

0:27:520:27:54

the police is maybe a possibility for the future.

0:27:540:27:58

Sian's enthusiasm for the dream has been reignited, but has the day

0:27:580:28:01

been enough to convince Josh to turn his back on the family farm?

0:28:010:28:05

So, we've learned loads today

0:28:050:28:06

and based on everything we have found out, we're going to vote.

0:28:060:28:10

-New Zealand.

-New Zealand.

0:28:180:28:19

I thought you were going to say UK.

0:28:220:28:24

Yes, I chose New Zealand because, you know,

0:28:240:28:26

I've really wanted to do tree surgery for a while,

0:28:260:28:29

and obviously, it's less hours and more pay than what I'm on now,

0:28:290:28:33

so it seems like a win-win situation.

0:28:330:28:35

Yeah, more pay and more family time.

0:28:350:28:37

-Which is what we wanted, isn't it?

-Yeah.

-So, New Zealand.

0:28:370:28:40

With a vote for New Zealand from Josh,

0:28:480:28:51

it looks like the couple's day checking out work prospects

0:28:510:28:54

could have brought Sian's dream back on track.

0:28:540:28:57

A move for her has always been about spending more time together

0:28:570:29:02

so will a rare family day out spent sampling the Kiwi lifestyle

0:29:020:29:06

win Josh around once more?

0:29:060:29:08

Shall we try and find some?

0:29:100:29:12

Back in the UK, the family enjoy roaming the countryside, so today,

0:29:120:29:17

they take Cai to Kiwi Valley Farm, outside Auckland.

0:29:170:29:20

Cai's no stranger to farmyards,

0:29:240:29:26

but the chance to hang out with Mum and Dad is a real treat.

0:29:260:29:29

Do you like him?

0:29:300:29:32

And fulfilling her desire for Cai to see more of his dad,

0:29:320:29:35

the day's a hit with Sian, too.

0:29:350:29:37

Today has definitely reinforced the dream.

0:29:370:29:39

It's just great for Cai to have both of us and to be able to

0:29:390:29:42

go from one to the other, rather than just me showing him things, you know?

0:29:420:29:47

Spending time together with his own family, though, has reminded Josh

0:29:470:29:51

more days like this would mean seeing less of loved ones back home.

0:29:510:29:54

Being here does make me realise how much family and friends mean to me.

0:29:540:29:59

The most important thing is, you know, Cai, I think.

0:29:590:30:02

It will be a shame, really, for Cai to grow up without his grandparents.

0:30:020:30:07

Sian is aware her dream presents Josh with a dilemma.

0:30:070:30:10

But seeing how happy Cai is with both his parents,

0:30:100:30:12

she is still determined moving would be for the best.

0:30:120:30:16

Yeah, I guess I do feel guilty, because I think he feels torn

0:30:160:30:19

and he knows I'd like to move

0:30:190:30:22

but he knows he'd like to stay with his friends and family.

0:30:220:30:24

I think Sian wants to move to New Zealand more than me.

0:30:240:30:27

I think I've got a lot more stuff holding me back.

0:30:270:30:30

Sian and Josh could yet be at loggerheads

0:30:350:30:38

come the end of the week, but has their family day out been enough to

0:30:380:30:41

bring Josh one step closer to a move down under?

0:30:410:30:45

So, we've really enjoyed spending family time together today.

0:30:450:30:49

And based on lifestyle, we're going to vote.

0:30:490:30:51

New Zealand.

0:31:040:31:06

New Zealand.

0:31:060:31:07

I'm glad you said that.

0:31:090:31:10

I've realised now I've been spending a lot more quality time with Cai

0:31:100:31:14

and, d'you know, obviously, if I move, I will be working,

0:31:140:31:19

but we figured out the hours will be less than what I'm working back at

0:31:190:31:22

-Wales, so, yeah, I'll hopefully have more time to spend with Cai.

-Yeah.

0:31:220:31:27

When it came to lifestyle, Josh put his own family first.

0:31:380:31:42

But Sian knows there's a long way to go yet

0:31:420:31:44

if he's to be persuaded the family's future lies down under.

0:31:440:31:49

If she succeeds, the couple would rely on proceeds from the sale

0:31:490:31:52

of their home to fund the move.

0:31:520:31:54

They believe it's worth around £80,000.

0:31:540:31:57

To see if they're right, we sent round two estate agents.

0:31:570:32:01

Oh, nice plain decor. Good for marketing. Nice room.

0:32:010:32:05

Very, very large kitchen.

0:32:050:32:07

Dining area, with a very big table.

0:32:070:32:10

Modern units.

0:32:100:32:11

-Modern units!

-I painted them!

0:32:110:32:13

Very nice conservatory.

0:32:130:32:15

With access out onto the garden.

0:32:150:32:17

What a great sized double room.

0:32:170:32:19

Perfect also to get a cot in.

0:32:190:32:22

Ideal having the mirrored wardrobes.

0:32:220:32:25

Really nice sized second bedroom.

0:32:250:32:27

Obviously, a little child's room. A little boy.

0:32:270:32:30

In the current market, I'd value it at between £85,000 and £90,000.

0:32:300:32:37

-For a quick sale, about £80,000.

-Yeah.

0:32:370:32:40

The valuation on this property for the open market would be £84,950.

0:32:400:32:46

Or a quick sale figure of £79,950.

0:32:460:32:50

-OK.

-Happy with that?

-Yeah. Yeah. I'm chuffed with that.

0:32:510:32:57

I thought they were 80, tops. I was...

0:32:570:33:00

I thought if we have 80, it is a good sale.

0:33:000:33:02

While Cai sleeps,

0:33:020:33:03

the couple move on to see how their finances would stack up in Auckland.

0:33:030:33:07

If this is positive,

0:33:070:33:09

then Josh will have a hard time trying to fight his little battle.

0:33:090:33:13

So, you know, I cross my fingers that it is positive.

0:33:140:33:19

We've provided them with a comparison of costs,

0:33:190:33:22

starting with the weekly food shop.

0:33:220:33:25

-Everything is a bit dearer.

-Blueberries at a pound.

0:33:250:33:29

-Cherry tomatoes are a pound. Green beans are £1.15. It adds up.

-Yeah.

0:33:290:33:33

And it's not just fruit and veg that cost more.

0:33:330:33:36

Chicken and salmon are over £3 dearer.

0:33:360:33:42

There's no two ways about it, I'm not losing chicken.

0:33:420:33:44

-SHE LAUGHS

-That's number one.

0:33:440:33:45

The couple do the sums to find out

0:33:450:33:47

what it means for their overall bill.

0:33:470:33:49

£47.91.

0:33:490:33:51

Worse off.

0:33:520:33:54

-Every week.

-Every week, yeah.

0:33:540:33:57

It's nearly £200 more each month.

0:33:570:33:59

And that's before they've looked at the bigger bills.

0:33:590:34:02

Sian and Josh base their figures on the first property they viewed.

0:34:020:34:06

So, oil in the UK, we pay £50.

0:34:060:34:09

And in New Zealand, we'd pay nothing,

0:34:090:34:11

because we wouldn't have central heating, would we?

0:34:110:34:13

But childcare is a bit dearer.

0:34:130:34:16

It's £48.41 dearer.

0:34:160:34:18

But that is because in the UK, we only have three days

0:34:180:34:22

because he's with your mother.

0:34:220:34:24

-Transport costs...

-We would be worse off by £183.34.

0:34:240:34:29

-This isn't looking very good, is it?

-No.

0:34:290:34:32

A tot up of the figures reveals

0:34:320:34:33

the couple would spend £561 more a month in New Zealand.

0:34:330:34:38

It could spell disaster for Sian's chances of keeping Josh onside,

0:34:380:34:42

unless their salaries could make up the difference.

0:34:420:34:45

So, in the UK, our total income is £2,426.26.

0:34:450:34:52

New Zealand would be...

0:34:530:34:55

£2,959.

0:34:550:34:58

They'd earn more, but not enough to cover their increase in spending.

0:34:580:35:02

-We are worse off by... BOTH:

-..£28.58.

0:35:020:35:05

A month.

0:35:070:35:08

-It's not a major difference.

-No, but I am shocked.

0:35:080:35:11

I honestly thought we'd be better off, money-wise, in New Zealand.

0:35:110:35:14

Sian's determined to fight for her dream, though,

0:35:140:35:17

believing £30 a month is a price worth paying.

0:35:170:35:20

Do you think £6.60 a week is worth

0:35:200:35:23

having more quality time with Cai and me?

0:35:230:35:27

Yeah, obviously.

0:35:270:35:28

So...

0:35:290:35:30

Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that needs to fall into place.

0:35:310:35:34

But if things fall into place, it's £6.60 a week you are paying to

0:35:340:35:38

have sun for ten months a year, for a bigger house,

0:35:380:35:44

for, you know, better job prospects, and for quality time with Cai.

0:35:440:35:50

Which is what we want.

0:35:500:35:51

I want to do it.

0:35:520:35:55

I want to move. But I don't think you're going to let me.

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It'll take more than being a few pounds in the red to put Sian off.

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But will the lifestyle they could have in New Zealand be enough

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to reconcile Josh with the figures?

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-UK.

-New Zealand.

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I think Sian is more of a risk taker than I am.

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The reality check is slightly negative

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but it's nothing, really, compared to, you know,

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all the things that outweigh that.

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With unfavourable finances making Josh vote for the UK,

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it looks like Sian's dream could be knocked for six.

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And there is one more obstacle to overcome.

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With Josh already concerned about taking Cai

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away from family in Wales, could watching messages from loved ones

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back home be the final nail in the coffin?

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-Are you looking forward to seeing Tadcu?

-Yeah!

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-And Mamgu, on the telly?

-Yeah.

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I think watching the messages will make us

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see what we are leaving behind.

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-Shall we take a look to see what they say?

-Yeah.

0:37:040:37:06

Hi, Sian. Hi, Josh. Hi, Cai. Hope you're having a fantastic week.

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-BOTH:

-Hello, Sian, Josh and Cai!

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-Hiya, Josh...

-Hiya, Cai, Josh and Sian.

-..Sian, Cai.

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As a family, they're great together.

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They pull together like a team.

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They just bounce off each other, really, don't they?

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They balance each other well.

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Josh has his ideas

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and Sian calms him down.

0:37:300:37:32

-Sian's very different to the both of us, isn't she?

-Yeah.

0:37:340:37:36

Yeah, she's the confident one who likes to do, like, everything.

0:37:360:37:41

Cai is just... He's one of the gang.

0:37:410:37:43

There is a gang of little boys and he fits right in.

0:37:430:37:45

I know he's my grandson,

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but he's one of the nicest little kids I've ever come across.

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It'll start me off, now!

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Josh, I think, he's Sian's rock, isn't he?

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You can see it in his eyes, what he thinks of Cai.

0:37:590:38:02

-It glows out of him. It has made him.

-Yeah.

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If they are to go,

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this is the opportunity and this is the best time.

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And, obviously, we're going to miss her, because we always...

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-the three of us do things together...

-Yeah.

-..all the time.

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So we will really miss her, but we want the best for her at the same time.

0:38:150:38:18

It would be really odd.

0:38:180:38:19

-Like a jigsaw with a missing piece, in a way.

-Yeah.

0:38:190:38:23

I think Aaron will miss Cai as a friend, days out,

0:38:230:38:26

and I'll just miss the help and support from my friend Sian.

0:38:260:38:30

Well, you know, because we are so close, it's going to

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make the gap even worse.

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And he'll be just as bad, I can tell.

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We'll just have to go out and see them.

0:38:440:38:46

Yeah, but you can't go out every...

0:38:460:38:49

We will really miss you if you do go, but I know that you all know

0:38:490:38:52

what you want to do and I would totally respect that

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and I hope that you just make the right decision, really.

0:38:560:38:59

I think if you decide to go to New Zealand, we'd really miss you,

0:38:590:39:02

obviously. We'd miss you like crazy.

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But if you think it's the right decision for you,

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then we fully support you.

0:39:070:39:08

We will miss you, as you know.

0:39:080:39:11

But we can come out and see you at some point.

0:39:130:39:17

Well, yeah, we just wish you all the best.

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Say, "Don't go, Cai".

0:39:220:39:25

Don't go, Cai.

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Yeah. It was like a mix of emotions, wasn't it?

0:39:280:39:32

It's made me realise that I do need to think more

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about leaving them behind.

0:39:350:39:36

You know, Cai's going to be... no family at all over here.

0:39:360:39:40

Although we might be giving him a better future

0:39:400:39:42

but we're taking away his past, if that makes sense.

0:39:420:39:45

I don't think it's as easy as you were going to think it is, to leave them.

0:39:450:39:48

Well, that's the hardest part. You know, that's the only thing.

0:39:480:39:51

Their week in New Zealand has shown Sian

0:39:560:39:58

and Josh the opportunities the country offers could mean

0:39:580:40:01

more quality time together with their son.

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But any move would come at a cost,

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losing the family support they enjoy at home.

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As their final decision approaches,

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will the couple decide that's a price worth paying,

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to achieve the family life Sian so desperately wants?

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Things got off to a bumpy start when the couple

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realised their property budget wouldn't go far in Auckland.

0:40:250:40:29

But everything that followed has left the couple's opinions divided.

0:40:290:40:33

Now that we've been here, and we've seen what we've seen,

0:40:330:40:37

I definitely have more of a hunger for New Zealand.

0:40:370:40:41

I think I am feeling mixed emotions in that,

0:40:410:40:43

d'you know, I thought we would have been better off, on the whole,

0:40:430:40:46

in New Zealand, on the salary and stuff,

0:40:460:40:49

but it turns out we would be better in the UK.

0:40:490:40:52

Not prepared to sacrifice her dream for the sake of a few pounds,

0:40:520:40:55

Sian's determined to keep focused on what

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she originally wanted from the country.

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The main thing for me is that Josh and Cai gets to bond

0:41:000:41:04

and get to, you know, better their relationship.

0:41:040:41:09

But for Josh, the advantage of more time with his son has left him torn.

0:41:090:41:13

It has created conflict, in myself, type thing.

0:41:130:41:17

One half saying we just stay in Wales, and the other half saying,

0:41:170:41:19

you know, flee the nest, you know.

0:41:190:41:21

The world's... You know, the world's a small place.

0:41:210:41:24

With time running out, Sian knows Josh's biggest stumbling block

0:41:240:41:27

will be taking Cai away from grandparents in Wales.

0:41:270:41:30

I don't know what he's going to decide because, you know, New Zealand

0:41:320:41:37

is absolutely fantastic, and we've been able to see that this week.

0:41:370:41:42

But obviously, our friends and family are amazing

0:41:420:41:45

and it's a hell of a thing to leave behind.

0:41:450:41:47

You want to see into the future what it will be like on both sides

0:41:470:41:50

but obviously you can't do that.

0:41:500:41:53

But, yeah, it is, it is going to be a tough decision.

0:41:530:41:56

The week's been an enlightening experience for the couple.

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Now it is time to find out

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if it's been enough to convince Josh to buy into Sian's dream

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of more family time together on the other side of the world.

0:42:040:42:07

We've had a really amazing family-oriented week.

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And based on everything we've found out this week,

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we are going to do our final vote.

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-New Zealand.

-New Zealand.

0:42:290:42:31

No way!

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It is an awesome place and we could do getting more time as a family.

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So clearly, a future...

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We will take the plunge.

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I genuinely thought that you liked New Zealand

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but I didn't think you could leave your roots and your family.

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So, I am overwhelmed that you chose New Zealand

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and extremely excited.

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With their week in New Zealand showing Josh just what his family

0:43:040:43:08

could gain from a move, it looks like the couple could be well on

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their way to making a new life for themselves

0:43:110:43:14

on the other side of the world.

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We wish them all the best of luck for the future.

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