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There are so many show-offs in journalism,

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so many braggarts and jerks.

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They're always selling, always working the room,

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always trying to make themselves look hotter than they actually are.

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The good news is reporters like that make it easy to distinguish yourself.

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If you're even a little bit humble,

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a little self-effacing or solicitous,

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you stand out.

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So you bring a coworker lunch if he's buried under a deadline.

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You remember birthdays.

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It's true - journalism is hard work, everybody's under pressure,

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everybody's grinding to get the issue out, nobody's getting any sleep,

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but you are allowed to smile every once in a while.

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I mean, even Woodward and Bernstein went out for a burger now and then,

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and they won a Pulitzer.

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Some reporters think it's political content that makes a story memorable.

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I think it's the people you find -

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their quirks, their flaws, what makes them funny,

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what makes them human.

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Journalism is just the art of capturing behaviour.

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You have to know who you're writing for

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and you have to know what you're good at.

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I record what people do. I find out what moves them, what scares them.

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And I write that down. That way they're the ones telling the story.

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And you know what? Those kind of pieces can win Pulitzers too.

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MOUTHS SILENTLY

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-WOMAN:

-Contributing writer For 'Harper's Magazine'.

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Contributing writer for 'George' magazine.

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Contributing writer for 'Rolling Stone'.

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And of course, associate editor of the 'New Republic' magazine

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in Washington, DC.

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Sorry if I'm beaming, but, you know, I was his journalistic muse.

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It's true.

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Just seven years ago, he was sitting...

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Right there.

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I'm sorry.

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Right there.

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And I was doing the exact same thing you guys are doing -

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writing out pieces and then having horrid nightmares

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of Mrs Duke and her infamous red pen.

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And see what happens when greatness is demanded of you?

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Now he's at the 'New Republic'.

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And now I'm at the 'New Republic'.

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-REPORTER:

-In May, the editors of the 'New Republic' magazine...

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-REPORTER 2:

-..the 'Washington Post', the 'New Republic'

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and the 'Boston Globe'.

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But the bill was blasted in the 'New Republic' this week.

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They called it a pitiful act...

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-MAN:

-I just wanted to get confirmation on...

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-MAN 2:

-So I said network news...

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Oh, right, that's that show that's on every night

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between those Fixodent commercials, right?

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-MAN:

-Shut him up.

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-Hey, Steve.

-Hey, Steve.

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Hey, guys.

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Gloria, that necklace is you.

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Thanks, doll. I got some new merchandise.

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-For your girlfriend.

-As soon as I get this piece done.

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-How's it coming?

-Horrible.

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Uh-huh.

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It's the fundamental nature of the magazine, Lew.

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Miller, can I get some coffees, please?

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Sure.

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If people want photographs, they can buy 'Newsweek'.

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They DO buy 'Newsweek'.

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And 'Time' and 'US News' and 'World Report'

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and our losses are a joke.

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Let me guess - he's on you again about a redesign.

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-Yeah. Cover page and graphics.

-Yeah, and photographs.

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Let me remind you, Steve,

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this magazine hasn't changed its look since the '80s.

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How is it?

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It's good.

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-You hate it.

-No, it's good, it's good.

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It's just a little rough.

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No, it's the worst thing I ever wrote. It's horrible.

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If you guys don't help me with it, I'm not even gonna send it in.

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-When's it due?

-Tomorrow.

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I may have to kill myself.

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I mean, the 'New York Times Magazine'!

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Will you guys help me with it? Please?

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-Of course.

-Of course.

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Thank you.

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Call for you on three, sweetie. Someone from 'Policy Review'.

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When did you start talking to 'Policy Review'?

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I'm not. It's probably nothing.

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Send it to my voicemail, OK?

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-Oh, and, sweetie...

-Mm-hm?

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Caitlin just told me that she needs gifts for two showers next week.

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You think you might have something for her?

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I'll get my box.

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-Hmm.

-I couldn't resist.

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-So you wanna do this now?

-Yeah, in a second.

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I just have to return a quick phone call.

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I got you some gum.

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Ohh.

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If I threw a party where all we did was play Monopoly, would you come?

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Could I be the little shoe?

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Of course.

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The lawyers have asked us to tone down the cover on Serbia.

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They're afraid it might invite charges of libel.

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Yeah, um, I know a little bit of libel law.

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It's only relevant

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if the person in question has been out of the public eye.

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Well, yeah, so there's Serbia, hidden,

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unknown to the world at large

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until it appeared on the cover of the 'New Republic'

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with our weekly circulation of 80,000.

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81,500.

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-Almost done with it, Rob?

-Er, two days, tops.

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-Yeah, two days from Hanukkah.

-Hey, it's basically finished.

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-For the most part.

-Next up.

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Amy.

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Er, just finished the piece on ethanol subsidies.

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There are 16,800 magazines in this country.

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But only one calls itself the in-flight magazine of Air Force One.

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And that's the thrill of working at the 'New Republic'.

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You're underpaid, the hours are brutal,

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but what you write gets read by people who matter -

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presidents, law-makers.

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Your work can actually influence public policy.

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That's an amazing privilege and a huge responsibility.

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I'm sorry. They don't want to hear

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the whole journalistic responsibility speech.

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Do you?

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You just want to know how to get your name in print, right?

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Sounds familiar.

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OK.

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Let me take you through the life of your typical piece

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so you can see what some of the hurdles are.

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We'll use one I wrote last year about a bunch of young Republicans

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at a conservatives convention.

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Now, journalism is about pursuing the truth.

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And I would never encourage you to do anything sneaky or dishonest

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in pursuit of a story.

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Such as assuming a phony identity.

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I don't know, man. It seemed like a pretty good turnout to me.

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No, man. Conservatism's dead.

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-Dead?

-We're lost.

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Damn straight.

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IN CLASSROOM: On a story like that, your notes are crucial.

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You have to record everything you see and hear, every quote, every detail,

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all the way down to the mini-bottles in the fridge.

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We're like this guy who has to pee,

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lost in the desert, looking for a tree.

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It's true.

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Completely true.

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You guys know what you're shopping for, right?

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Totally.

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Get us a real heifer. The fatter the better.

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Bad acne would be a bonus.

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Let's do it!

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MEN YELL AND HOOT

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We'll thank you in the morning, I promise!

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MEN CONTINUE HOOTING AND YELLING

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-Hey, Steve.

-Hey, Chuck.

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What are you working on?

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Er, a piece Gabriel Garcia Marquez wrote about the Falklands War.

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How about you?

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Young Republicans at the CPAC Conference.

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Pretty standard stuff.

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Hotel ballrooms, boring speeches, chicken dinners.

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Which is why everybody spends their time in their suites upstairs

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committing felonies.

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Oh, yeah?

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Yeah, I went to one.

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The ballroom was empty.

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Every delegate under the age of 25

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was up on the 5th floor getting loaded.

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Drugs, binge drinking, hookers.

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Gets pretty ugly.

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Sounds great, Steve.

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So does yours.

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OK, well, I gotta get back to work.

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-Have a good lunch.

-Thanks.

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Hold it. Have to give myself a demerit for poor scene-setting.

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Let me explain. A year ago, Chuck Lane and I were peers.

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He hadn't become editor yet.

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Michael Kelly was editing the magazine then.

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Sorry, Mrs Duke. I know how you feel about clarity.

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We've got to start calling some other places.

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I don't think I can eat this stuff every day.

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Er, it was the Cannon building. You had it as Russell. I fixed it.

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Thank you.

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-I really liked it, Ames.

-But boring, right?

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No. Nah, I really, really liked it.

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CLEARS THROAT

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Yes, dear?

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Somebody for you on three. Someone from 'Harper's.

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When did you start talking to 'Harper's?

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I'm not. It's probably nothing.

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Could you send it to my voicemail, please?

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Very good.

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And by the way, Glo, that lipstick is the bomb.

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Oh, thanks, doll.

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What is it, Midnight Mist?

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-I really gotta stop doing that.

-What?

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All I do is give people more reasons to assume I'm gay.

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I mean, lately, it's everyone.

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Like the other night, I went out to dinner with this guy from the 'Post'.

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Who?

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I can't tell you. He made me promise.

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Anyway, we were walking around afterwards

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talking about Medicare, for God's sakes,

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and then the next thing I know we're standing on the corner

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of 18th and T.

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And he somehow managed to slip his tongue down my throat.

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And I'm like, "Wait a minute. How did this happen?"

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I don't understand.

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Yeah, neither did I.

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Hey.

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Michael.

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-You have a minute?

-Of course.

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We have a problem with the 'Spring Breakdown' piece.

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Just got a letter from David Keene. He ran the CPAC Conference.

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-He's made some...

-Are you mad at me?

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He's made some pretty serious charges.

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We need to answer them.

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OK, um, my notes are at home. I can be back in 20 minutes.

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Is that too long?

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Do your notes have anything about the minibars?

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-Because that would help.

-I think so.

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No, I'm sure. Why?

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He claims the Omni Shoreham doesn't even have minibars.

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He mentioned it specifically.

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I saw them. There were little bottles of booze all over the room.

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OK, um, I'll get Aari and Rob into it

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and start the fact check again.

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-I'll get my notes.

-Thank you.

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I'm sorry. We'll have to finish this later.

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No, no, I understand.

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Thank you.

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What's wrong?

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Just tell me.

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Keene was right, Michael.

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I messed up.

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I made a huge error.

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I don't know what to say. If you want me to resign, I will.

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I want you to tell me what happened.

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They don't have minibars at the Omni Shoreham Hotel.

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I guess I just saw all those little bottles and I made an assumption,

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which I know we're never supposed to do.

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I'm really sorry.

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Those guys were drinking out of a rented refrigerator.

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A mini-fridge.

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-That's it?

-Yeah.

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-The rest of the piece is solid?

-Well, yeah, of course.

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Go home, Steve. Your resignation will not be required.

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Really? You're not mad?

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Of course not.

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Er, do you want my notes?

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Have a good night.

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Thanks, Michael.

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-Thanks for backing me.

-It's what editors do.

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Goodnight.

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DIALS

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Hi. Front desk, please.

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Hi, I need some information.

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Um, do the suites at your hotels have minibars?

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Well, can a guest rent something like that,

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like a mini-refrigerator or something?

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They can?

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OK. Thank you very much.

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And she says, "I didn't invite Vernon Jordan that evening

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"because my guests of honour were girls from Smith College.

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"Some of them were virgins and I wanted to keep it that way."

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And you're gonna put that in the article, right?

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Gosh, Alec, I don't know.

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I mean, 'George' is such a dignified publication.

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You wouldn't want to put in something that gossipy, would you?

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Absolutely not.

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Of course we put it in.

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Thank you, Stephen. You're going to make me look very, very smart.

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Er, the Fritos are running dangerously low.

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I'll be right back.

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You can't hide in here all night, Ames.

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Can I ask you something?

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What is this? I found it in the freezer.

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You said you hated how the Diet Coke at parties

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was always at room temperature.

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And how, if you wanted to drink it cold,

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you'd have to put it on ice, and then it would get too watery.

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-Don't you remember?

-Yeah, I do.

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But I said that a couple of years ago.

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Steve.

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I'm gonna call it a night, but thanks for having me.

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Oh. Thanks for coming.

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Alphabetised beer. That's perfect.

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Drive safe, Alec.

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Who's he?

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Associate editor of 'George'.

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When did you start talking to 'George'?

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I'm really not.

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It's probably nothing.

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You know, if they stoop any lower,

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pretty soon you won't be able to tell the difference

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between 'Time' and 'People'.

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You say that as if there IS a difference.

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Exactly.

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Hey! Thank you, Steve.

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What?

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Are you mad at me?

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I told you, I do not respond to "Are you mad at me?"

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I'm not your kindergarten teacher.

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We've been over this a thousand times already.

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You can't go to law school.

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You don't want to go to law school, remember?

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I know, I know. It's only nights.

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I wouldn't have to stop working or anything.

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I'm just going to put these down, I'll be right back.

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No! I want to talk about this.

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I told you, it's my parents, OK? They never shut up about it.

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If I don't go, they won't let me be a journalist anymore.

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Let you? You're 24 years old, Stephen.

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You don't know how things go where I grew up, Caitlin, OK?

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There are rules there.

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If your son's not a doctor or a lawyer

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you keep your curtains closed.

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You're writing for the 'New-fucking-Republic'.

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-Isn't that good enough?

-Not in Highland Park.

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-I'm sorry...

-Stop apologising for everything.

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I was looking through your mail. You should be pissed at me.

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-I'm not.

-You're gonna throw this out, right?

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I can't. I'm sorry.

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Every station on the radio is talking about it -

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Mike Tyson biting Evander Holyfield -

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and these are supposed to be news stations.

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Um, so, on Tuesday, I started calling a few of them

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and I finally got through to one.

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A Bible talk station in Kentucky.

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And I managed to convince the screener

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that I was a behavioural psychologist

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who specialises in human on human biting.

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ALL LAUGH

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I told the guy I'd done all this extensive research

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on people who chomp flesh under extreme stress.

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ALL LAUGH

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-What did they say?

-They put me on the air.

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-I took calls for 45 minutes.

-Oh, my God.

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Where does he find these people?

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It is kind of stupid. I know it's silly.

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I'll probably just kill it.

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So you'll help me with it?

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Why? Do you have finals this week or something?

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OK, moving right along.

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Er, Chuck, what do you have for us?

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Oh, it's just...

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It's a bit of a hard act to follow.

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Very hard to follow.

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OK.

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I'm starting the piece on Haiti.

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And I'll be going to...

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Hey. Don't let me interrupt.

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-Hey, Marty.

-Michael.

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I'm going down to Port-au-Prince for a few days.

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Uh-huh.

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STEVE: Marty Peretz. Our boss.

0:20:320:20:35

He's a little scary.

0:20:350:20:37

How about the commas in dates, are we supposed to circle those too?

0:20:520:20:55

Let's just get this done, OK?

0:20:550:20:56

What the hell is this?

0:21:020:21:03

Marty told us to circle all the commas in the last issue

0:21:040:21:07

so he could show us how we use them improperly.

0:21:070:21:10

What?

0:21:100:21:11

He said commas should always appear in pairs.

0:21:110:21:13

Apparently, the issue is rife with comma errors.

0:21:130:21:15

-Rife?

-That's what he said.

0:21:150:21:17

I see.

0:21:170:21:19

No, I'm not angry, Marty, I'm embarrassed for you.

0:21:210:21:24

These people work gruelling hours for meagre pay.

0:21:240:21:27

They deserve a thank you,

0:21:270:21:28

not another one of your world-famous tantrums.

0:21:280:21:30

OK, I'd resign before I'd let you bully them like that again,

0:21:310:21:34

and I will.

0:21:340:21:36

Do you understand that?

0:21:360:21:37

-OK. Thank you.

-HANGS UP PHONE

0:21:390:21:42

Er, the great comma debate is history,

0:21:480:21:51

so we can all go back to work.

0:21:510:21:53

There are good editors, there are bad editors.

0:21:580:22:01

You'll have both.

0:22:010:22:03

My hope for you, though, is that once, at least once,

0:22:030:22:07

you get a truly great one.

0:22:070:22:09

A great editor defends his writers against anyone.

0:22:110:22:14

He stands up and fights for you.

0:22:140:22:18

Michael Kelly was that kind of editor.

0:22:180:22:20

He had that kind of courage.

0:22:200:22:22

And that's what hung him.

0:22:250:22:27

PHONE RINGS

0:22:270:22:30

-Hello.

-Hey, Chuck. It's Marty Peretz.

0:22:380:22:40

-You got a minute?

-Of course. How are you, Marty?

0:22:400:22:42

I'm in a bit of an uncomfortable situation, Chuck,

0:22:420:22:45

and I thought you might be able to help me out.

0:22:450:22:47

-Sure.

-It's about Mike.

0:22:470:22:49

-Oh.

-He and I...

0:22:500:22:52

Well, it hasn't been working out for some time now, as you know.

0:22:520:22:55

The tone of the magazine - I think it's gotten too nasty.

0:22:550:22:58

It's strayed from the traditions that make it great

0:22:580:23:01

and I... I'm going to be making a change.

0:23:010:23:04

I see.

0:23:040:23:06

I'd like you to step in for him, Chuck.

0:23:060:23:08

I'd like you to become editor.

0:23:080:23:09

Editor?

0:23:100:23:12

There's a catch, of course.

0:23:120:23:13

Mike doesn't know any of this yet

0:23:130:23:15

and it's gonna be two or three days before I tell him,

0:23:150:23:17

so it'll have to remain between us until then.

0:23:170:23:19

Would that be a problem for you?

0:23:190:23:21

-Marty, Mike's a friend.

-I appreciate that, Chuck.

0:23:210:23:23

But I can't remove him until I know who's gonna be his replacement -

0:23:230:23:26

for continuity's sake.

0:23:260:23:27

So this is how it has to be.

0:23:270:23:30

I'm gonna have to think about this.

0:23:300:23:32

I'm gonna have to discuss it with Catarina.

0:23:320:23:34

Oh, of course. Of course. Listen...

0:23:340:23:35

Marty, have you thought about the impact this might have on the staff?

0:23:350:23:38

They feel very...

0:23:380:23:39

He's earned a lot of loyalty there.

0:23:410:23:43

Mostly by fighting with me!

0:23:430:23:44

Well, the point is I haven't earned that kind of loyalty.

0:23:440:23:47

-And if it looks like...

-I'll be in New York tomorrow.

0:23:470:23:49

We'll go over all this in detail.

0:23:490:23:51

-Could you call me at the hotel?

-Yeah.

0:23:510:23:52

I really appreciate this, Chuck - your discretion.

0:23:520:23:56

-'Night.

-'Night, Marty.

0:23:570:23:59

So I just got off the phone with Marty

0:24:040:24:07

and I've been fired, effective immediately.

0:24:070:24:10

I'm to be out of the building by 5pm.

0:24:100:24:14

Chuck Lane has been chosen to replace me.

0:24:170:24:19

Chuck is not an editor.

0:24:340:24:37

He's barely even a writer.

0:24:370:24:38

There's no way I'm going to be able to work for him.

0:24:380:24:41

-STEVE:

-We should have Seen this coming -

0:24:410:24:42

the way he laughs whenever Marty tells a joke in the meetings.

0:24:420:24:45

They're never funny, but there's Chuck, completely howling.

0:24:450:24:49

He's so political.

0:24:490:24:50

And stiff.

0:24:500:24:52

-And humourless.

-And pissy.

0:24:520:24:53

I mean, how pissy does he get

0:24:530:24:55

whenever you try to fact-check one of his pieces?

0:24:550:24:57

It's like, "I'm sorry,

0:24:570:24:58

"but we have an obligation to get our facts straight."

0:24:580:25:00

OK, let's not overdo it.

0:25:000:25:02

This is still a great magazine.

0:25:020:25:04

It's still an important magazine,

0:25:040:25:06

and Monday morning, he's gonna be running it.

0:25:060:25:08

I'm gonna barf.

0:25:080:25:09

All right, let me get out of here, OK?

0:25:090:25:13

Well, I just want to thank you all again, truly.

0:25:400:25:43

Um... I have loved every second of this.

0:25:480:25:52

Well, good luck, Mike.

0:25:590:26:01

You too, Chuck.

0:26:010:26:02

DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES

0:26:450:26:48

Hi.

0:26:520:26:54

Hi.

0:26:540:26:56

SIGHS

0:26:560:26:58

Hey.

0:27:200:27:21

Hi.

0:27:210:27:23

So, er, sorry about what happened when he left.

0:27:250:27:29

I just didn't know what to do.

0:27:290:27:32

Thanks.

0:27:320:27:34

If you need a hand with the boxes, I'll be in my office.

0:27:350:27:38

So Chuck took over,

0:27:400:27:42

and the job, for the first time ever, began to feel like a job.

0:27:420:27:46

But I'm being unfair.

0:27:470:27:48

The truth is I wrote 14 pieces while Chuck was editing the magazine

0:27:480:27:52

and the last of them was the biggest story I ever wrote.

0:27:520:27:55

Is anyone interested in hackers?

0:27:560:27:58

Uh, cos I met this kid named Ian Restil -

0:27:590:28:02

biggest computer geek of all time.

0:28:020:28:04

He hacked his way into the database of a company called Jukt Micronics

0:28:040:28:08

and posted naked pictures of women and the salary of every Jukt employee

0:28:080:28:12

on Jukt's website

0:28:120:28:14

with a note saying, "The big bad bionic boy has been here, baby."

0:28:140:28:17

ALL LAUGH

0:28:170:28:18

Outstanding!

0:28:180:28:19

The guys at Jukt decided

0:28:190:28:21

it would be cheaper to hire him as a security consultant

0:28:210:28:23

than to try to stop him,

0:28:230:28:25

so they met with him last week

0:28:250:28:26

at the hotel where the national hackers conference was taking place.

0:28:260:28:29

It was the chairman from Jukt,

0:28:290:28:31

Restil, Restil's mother and Restil's agent.

0:28:310:28:34

-No.

-Yes, hackers have agents too.

0:28:340:28:36

All right, I was at the table with these guys.

0:28:370:28:39

Restil's just laying out all of his demands.

0:28:390:28:43

-I want a Miata.

-"I want a trip to Disney World."

0:28:430:28:45

I want 'X-Men' comic book No. 1.

0:28:450:28:47

"I want a lifetime subscription to 'Playboy'..."

0:28:470:28:49

And throw in 'Penthouse'.

0:28:490:28:51

And they're complying with every single word.

0:28:510:28:53

Excuse me, sir. Pardon me for interrupting.

0:28:530:28:55

We can arrange more money for you

0:28:550:28:56

and you can buy the comic book yourself.

0:28:560:28:58

And when you're of a more appropriate age,

0:28:580:29:01

you can buy the car and pornographic magazines on your own.

0:29:010:29:05

Cool.

0:29:110:29:13

After that, after they have the meeting,

0:29:150:29:17

he goes back into the conference

0:29:170:29:19

where all these hackers have gathered.

0:29:190:29:21

And they're treating him like he's a rock star.

0:29:210:29:23

Then, Restil jumps up on a table and he's like...

0:29:330:29:36

I want a Miata!

0:29:360:29:37

He's gyrating his hips, like this - "I want a Miata!

0:29:390:29:42

"I want my 'Playboys!

0:29:420:29:43

"I want a trip to Disney World."

0:29:430:29:45

-BOTH:

-Show me the money!

0:29:450:29:48

"Show me the money!"

0:29:480:29:50

Turns out there are now 21 states considering

0:29:560:29:59

versions of a law called the Uniform Computer Security Act,

0:29:590:30:02

which would criminalise immunity deals

0:30:020:30:04

between hackers and the companies they've torched.

0:30:040:30:06

Meanwhile, Restil's agent claims a client list of over 300,

0:30:060:30:11

one of whom was once paid 1 million and a monster truck.

0:30:110:30:15

ALL CHUCKLE IN DISBELIEF

0:30:150:30:16

It's unbelievable.

0:30:160:30:17

It's, er, really silly. I know, um...

0:30:210:30:24

I'm not even sure if I'm going to finish it.

0:30:260:30:29

-MUTTERS:

-Shit.

0:30:430:30:45

You rang?

0:30:560:30:58

Yes, I rang.

0:30:580:30:59

Why didn't you get this?

0:31:010:31:03

Yeah. Oh... That...

0:31:130:31:18

I don't know.

0:31:180:31:19

Hey...

0:31:490:31:51

Hey.

0:31:520:31:53

Is it pronounced 'JEWkt' or 'JUHkt'?

0:31:550:31:57

It's pronounced 'give me back my article'.

0:31:570:32:00

Hey.

0:32:010:32:03

Adam!

0:32:070:32:08

Can you give a man a minute?

0:32:080:32:10

-SARCASTICALLY:

-Oh, yeah. I'm sorry.

0:32:100:32:12

Uh, it's just that, er,

0:32:150:32:17

this 'New Republic' piece is a fuckin' sieve.

0:32:170:32:20

I started with a check on Jukt Micronics,

0:32:220:32:24

which is supposed to be this major software company in California.

0:32:240:32:27

I went through every search engine on the Web -

0:32:270:32:29

no matches found.

0:32:290:32:30

So I call 411, every area code in the State.

0:32:300:32:32

There's no listing anywhere for a company called Jukt Micronics.

0:32:320:32:35

Tried the California Tax Franchise Board -

0:32:350:32:38

there's no record of taxes ever having been paid

0:32:380:32:40

by a company called Jukt Micronics.

0:32:400:32:42

Tried the state comptroller's office -

0:32:420:32:43

no licence has ever been applied for by a company using that name.

0:32:430:32:46

Then I called all the hackers I know,

0:32:460:32:48

asking if any had heard of a national assembly of hackers,

0:32:480:32:51

or of a hacker by the name of Big Bad Bionic Boy.

0:32:510:32:54

Nothing. I even tried Ian Restil himself.

0:32:540:32:56

There's no listing for the kid in DC, Virginia, Maryland.

0:32:560:32:59

There's no record of him ever having attended a public school before.

0:32:590:33:03

-More?

-Please.

0:33:030:33:04

Uh...this guy Joe Hiert was described in the Glass piece

0:33:040:33:07

as being this former basketball agent,

0:33:070:33:08

yet no-one by that name has ever been registered with the NBA,

0:33:080:33:11

and none of my hackers knew of him.

0:33:110:33:13

I even checked the names of every government...

0:33:130:33:16

I was just getting some coffee.

0:33:170:33:18

I even checked the names

0:33:220:33:23

of every government employee quoted in the piece

0:33:230:33:25

against a book listing the names of every government employee

0:33:250:33:27

in the entire United States.

0:33:270:33:29

None of the Glass sources were listed.

0:33:290:33:31

Wait...there is one thing in the story that checks out.

0:33:310:33:34

What's that?

0:33:340:33:36

There does appear to be a state in the Union named Nevada.

0:33:360:33:39

David! For Christ's sakes.

0:33:430:33:45

God, I'm sorry, Stephen.

0:33:450:33:46

I just wanted to see if you'd read it yet

0:33:460:33:48

and it was sitting right here, you know?

0:33:480:33:50

Don't hate me, OK?

0:33:510:33:53

Stephen, you shredded it.

0:33:530:33:55

I'm trying to spare you a spanking, David.

0:33:580:34:00

You've got blind quotes all over the place,

0:34:000:34:02

your facts are shaky...

0:34:020:34:04

I mean, the line about the turnover at DOT was low by 4.5%.

0:34:040:34:08

-I checked.

-Of course you did.

0:34:080:34:10

Rob and Aaron would kill you over that kind of stuff.

0:34:110:34:14

This is the 'New Republic', remember?

0:34:150:34:16

Nothing slides here.

0:34:160:34:18

If you don't have it cold, you don't turn it in. Ever.

0:34:180:34:20

Look - bring me your notes later and we'll go through it together.

0:34:200:34:24

There's a lot about it that I liked.

0:34:240:34:26

Really?

0:34:260:34:28

Really.

0:34:280:34:29

Now get back to work, OK? That mail room floor needs scrubbing.

0:34:290:34:33

OK. Thanks, Stephen.

0:34:330:34:35

-RECORDED VOICE:

-You have one unheard message.

0:34:440:34:46

First message.

0:34:460:34:48

Hi, Stephen. This is Adam Penenberg from 'Forbes Digital Tool'.

0:34:480:34:50

I just got done reading your hacker article,

0:34:500:34:53

and, first of all, congratulations.

0:34:530:34:56

Everybody here just loved it.

0:34:560:34:58

Uh...but we wanted to do a companion piece to it,

0:34:580:35:00

sort of a 'Day Two' story,

0:35:000:35:03

and I'm having some trouble tracking down Ian Restil.

0:35:030:35:06

Uh...do you think I could get a phone number on him from you?

0:35:060:35:09

Look, I think it's good that you tried this.

0:35:100:35:13

It's good to stretch.

0:35:130:35:15

I just...

0:35:150:35:18

I don't think you're writing to your strength here.

0:35:180:35:20

-OK. Can I...?

-I mean...

0:35:200:35:21

I'm wondering why you'd wanna stray

0:35:270:35:29

from the sort of things you do so well.

0:35:290:35:31

Um...

0:35:320:35:34

Have you noticed the way Steve's phone has been ringing lately?

0:35:370:35:40

Did you see all those editors at the correspondents' dinner?

0:35:400:35:44

The way they were circling him?

0:35:440:35:46

Is that what you want, Amy?

0:35:460:35:47

To get a bunch of smoke blown up your ass by a pack of editors?

0:35:470:35:50

Yes. Yes, it is.

0:35:500:35:54

Caitlin, he's going to double his salary, freelancing like that.

0:35:560:36:01

These guys don't want policy pieces anymore,

0:36:010:36:04

they want colour, they want nuance, humour...

0:36:040:36:08

But, Amy...

0:36:080:36:10

..you don't write funny.

0:36:100:36:11

It's a little funny...

0:36:160:36:18

..isn't it?

0:36:200:36:21

I was just looking for Steve.

0:36:220:36:24

He's in his office.

0:36:240:36:25

-You got a minute, Steve?

-Yeah.

0:36:340:36:36

Do you have phone numbers for all your sources

0:36:360:36:37

on the 'Hack Heaven' piece?

0:36:370:36:39

-Mm-hm, but they're at home.

-Can I get 'em?

0:36:390:36:41

Of course. Um...did I do something wrong? Are you mad at me?

0:36:410:36:44

No. I just need the phone numbers.

0:36:440:36:46

OK.

0:36:490:36:50

OK...OK, I'm trying to keep cool about all this, but...

0:36:520:36:56

..you know the Uniform Computer Security Act?

0:36:560:36:57

In the Glass piece?

0:36:570:36:59

It was supposed to be under debate in 21 state legislatures.

0:36:590:37:02

I just checked all 50. No such act.

0:37:020:37:05

Beautiful.

0:37:050:37:06

And, er, Julie Farthwork from the Computer Security Center?

0:37:060:37:09

Not too sure she exists either.

0:37:090:37:12

Same with Jim Ghort

0:37:120:37:14

of the Center for Interstate Online Investigations.

0:37:140:37:16

And I've got nothing on a national assembly of hackers or Frank Juliet.

0:37:160:37:20

-Man.

-Do you know why this is so great?

0:37:210:37:23

I mean, do you see the irony here?

0:37:230:37:25

The 'New Republic' - snobbiest rag in the business,

0:37:250:37:27

the in-flight magazine of 'Air Force One',

0:37:270:37:28

and their star goes out

0:37:280:37:30

and gets completely snowed by a bunch of hackers!

0:37:300:37:32

I mean, God couldn't have written this any better.

0:37:320:37:35

-Adam?

-Yeah?

0:37:420:37:44

Long as I'm grinding away on this thing,

0:37:470:37:48

any chance you'd share your byline with me?

0:37:480:37:50

Forget it.

0:37:550:37:56

We are in uncharted territory here, Adam.

0:38:000:38:01

An online magazine going after a giant?

0:38:010:38:05

You should have somebody beside you to take some of the flak,

0:38:050:38:08

in case this thing blows up.

0:38:080:38:09

Gosh.

0:38:090:38:11

-That's touching.

-You're completely swamped!

0:38:110:38:14

I know you're behind on the Kim Palese piece, and it's due Friday.

0:38:140:38:16

I'll get to it.

0:38:160:38:18

Look, everything that I'm working on is so...

0:38:180:38:20

..dull!

0:38:200:38:22

And this is spectacular!

0:38:220:38:24

Andy...no.

0:38:240:38:26

Look, it's not like you found the story yourself!

0:38:260:38:28

Kambiz just handed it to you.

0:38:280:38:30

If I hadn't been at the dentist, it might be me about to get famous,

0:38:300:38:33

so why don't you just share the wealth, OK?

0:38:330:38:35

Shit!

0:38:350:38:36

That came out a lot uglier than I meant it.

0:38:400:38:43

Sorry.

0:38:430:38:44

-Hey.

-Hey.

0:38:500:38:52

Well, Ian Restil emailed me right back.

0:38:520:38:54

It might be a little tough to put you in touch with him directly, though.

0:38:540:38:57

Or at least until next week.

0:38:570:38:59

This is his email.

0:38:590:39:01

"Your story screwed up my deal. I don't to talk to...to you..."

0:39:010:39:05

-BOTH:

-I don't wanna talk to you.

-Yeah. Uh...

0:39:050:39:08

"I'm on vacation with my parents, so leave me alone."

0:39:080:39:10

What kind of parent goes on vacation with their kid in early May?

0:39:120:39:15

That's a good question.

0:39:150:39:18

I guess you have to know his mom.

0:39:180:39:20

She's a little quirky.

0:39:200:39:21

Uh...that's his email address, if you want to write him yourself.

0:39:220:39:26

These are all my notes. Um...

0:39:280:39:31

That's the number for the national assembly of hackers.

0:39:310:39:33

Don't be thrown if all you hear is, like, a dark, deep, heavy breathing.

0:39:330:39:37

It's, I don't know, their outgoing voicemail message.

0:39:370:39:40

Ah...don't ask me why.

0:39:400:39:41

Um, and then that's the number for Jukt Micronics.

0:39:410:39:45

The chairman's name is George Sims.

0:39:450:39:47

Uh...I can't figure out why this Penenberg guy

0:39:470:39:49

would have such a hard time finding it.

0:39:490:39:51

You know. Whatever.

0:39:510:39:52

Uh, that's the URL to their website,

0:39:520:39:55

and then I can't seem to find Joe Hiert's number.

0:39:550:39:57

I was looking all over at home and...

0:39:570:39:59

..it's somewhere there, I know it is,

0:39:590:40:00

so I'll just get that to you tomorrow, if that's OK?

0:40:000:40:03

-Sure.

-Yeah.

0:40:030:40:04

He's Restil's agent.

0:40:040:40:06

Should I, er... I'll give you some privacy.

0:40:060:40:08

Uh, no, have a seat. 6-5-0...is that Palo Alto?

0:40:080:40:11

Uh, no. Silicone Valley.

0:40:110:40:13

You'll probably get a voicemail. I usually do.

0:40:130:40:16

-VOICEMAIL MESSAGE:

-You've reached the offices of Jukt Micronics.

0:40:160:40:19

Please leave a message.

0:40:190:40:21

Hello, it's Charles Lane.

0:40:210:40:22

I'm calling from the 'New Republic' magazine in Washington, DC.

0:40:220:40:24

I'd like to speak to George Sims, if I could.

0:40:240:40:27

They already have our number.

0:40:270:40:28

I guess you already have our number. Thank you.

0:40:290:40:31

I'm sorry, we've just, like, spoken a million times now.

0:40:310:40:36

That's actually his voice on the answering machine.

0:40:360:40:38

Sims is so hands-on

0:40:380:40:40

that he won't even let his secretary do an outgoing message.

0:40:400:40:42

Who's next?

0:40:450:40:46

Uh... Penenberg.

0:40:460:40:48

Oh.

0:40:480:40:50

-PHONE RINGS

-This is Adam.

0:40:500:40:52

-Hi. It's Chuck Lane.

-Hi, Chuck.

0:40:520:40:55

I've got a phone number for you.

0:40:550:40:57

A phone number for what?

0:40:570:40:58

For George Sims at Jukt Micronics. You got a pen?

0:40:580:41:01

Yeah, sure.

0:41:010:41:03

OK, thanks.

0:41:070:41:09

Uh, it's a phone number for Jukt Micronics.

0:41:110:41:14

DIALS TELEPHONE

0:41:180:41:21

PHONE RINGS

0:41:230:41:26

-VOICEMAIL MESSAGE:

-You've reached the offices of Jukt Micronics.

0:41:260:41:28

Please leave a message.

0:41:280:41:30

Do me a favour.

0:41:410:41:42

Call this number the same time I do, OK?

0:41:440:41:47

-Ready?

-Yep.

0:41:500:41:52

Go.

0:41:520:41:53

PHONE RINGS

0:41:550:41:57

-VOICEMAIL MESSAGE:

-You've reached the offices of Jukt Micronics.

0:41:570:41:59

Please leave a message.

0:41:590:42:01

-What did you get?

-It's voicemail.

0:42:010:42:03

I get a busy signal. Hang up.

0:42:030:42:05

Try again, OK?

0:42:070:42:08

-Redial.

-REDIAL TONES BLEEP

0:42:080:42:11

-BUSY SIGNAL

-Busy signal.

0:42:110:42:14

I got a voicemail. Hang up.

0:42:140:42:17

A major software company with one phone line?

0:42:210:42:23

BABY WHIMPERS

0:42:250:42:28

How you doing?

0:42:280:42:29

-Good.

-He's up to 103.

0:42:290:42:33

Oh, shit.

0:42:340:42:36

Come here, buddy.

0:42:360:42:37

-Should I give him a bath?

-Oh, that would be great.

0:42:400:42:42

Yeah. PHONE RINGS

0:42:420:42:44

How you doing?

0:42:440:42:46

-Hello?

-Hello, this is George Sims.

0:42:480:42:50

May I speak with Charles Lane?

0:42:500:42:52

One moment, please.

0:42:520:42:53

Honey? It's George Sims.

0:42:550:42:57

-Oh.

-I'll take him.

0:42:590:43:01

Come on, sweetheart.

0:43:010:43:04

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

0:43:040:43:05

-You're such a good boy.

-Hello?

0:43:050:43:07

Yeah, this is George Sims of Jukt Micronics.

0:43:070:43:09

May I speak with Charles Lane?

0:43:090:43:11

Mr Sims, thank you for calling me back. Um...

0:43:110:43:14

I don't have time for this, actually.

0:43:140:43:16

We're trying to have an office party.

0:43:160:43:17

Uh-huh.

0:43:170:43:19

Look, if you were calling for a comment on your story,

0:43:190:43:22

I don't have one,

0:43:220:43:24

other than to say I wish you'd never run the stupid thing.

0:43:240:43:26

That stuff was supposed to be off the record,

0:43:260:43:28

and your reporter knows it... that Glass guy.

0:43:280:43:31

I'm just calling to verify some information.

0:43:310:43:33

I'm not verifying anything!

0:43:330:43:34

Bottom line is I'd like you guys to basically get lost.

0:43:340:43:37

HANGS UP

0:43:370:43:39

Hello?

0:43:390:43:40

-Hey!

-David.

0:43:430:43:45

-Oh, I'm sorry, Steve.

-Shit!

0:43:450:43:48

I didn't mean to startle you, I just thought you'd like a cup of coffee.

0:43:480:43:51

-What are you doing here?

-Working late. Working on my article.

0:43:510:43:54

So I don't get shredded again.

0:43:540:43:56

-Thank you.

-You're welcome.

0:43:560:43:58

I always forget to ask you - how are your studies coming?

0:43:580:44:02

They're fine. I'm... I'm just buried.

0:44:020:44:05

You're buried. Right.

0:44:050:44:07

OK. I should probably let you get back to it.

0:44:070:44:09

Is there anything else you need?

0:44:090:44:11

No. Um...goodnight, David.

0:44:110:44:13

'Night. Thanks, Steve.

0:44:130:44:14

PHONE RINGS

0:44:200:44:22

I got it.

0:44:220:44:25

-Hello?

-Chuck? It's Steve.

0:44:270:44:29

Hi, Steve.

0:44:290:44:31

Hey. Sorry to be calling so late.

0:44:310:44:33

I, um...

0:44:330:44:35

..I was just wondering, did you get a call from the Jukt guy?

0:44:350:44:37

-Uh, George Sims?

-I did, yeah.

0:44:370:44:39

Yeah... I was just sitting here

0:44:390:44:41

and I realised that I'd given him your home number

0:44:410:44:43

without asking you first, and, um, I wanted to apologise.

0:44:430:44:47

That's fine.

0:44:470:44:49

Sort of a prick, didn't you think?

0:44:490:44:51

I couldn't really tell, because he hung up so fast.

0:44:510:44:53

Are you at home, Steve?

0:44:530:44:56

-No. Why?

-I left a message on your machine.

0:44:560:44:59

The Forbes guys wanna talk to us again.

0:44:590:45:01

There's a conference call at 9am.

0:45:010:45:04

Sure. Sounds like a party.

0:45:040:45:06

Yep.

0:45:060:45:08

-OK. 'Night, Chuck.

-See you in the morning.

0:45:090:45:12

PHONE BEEPS

0:45:140:45:15

SIGHS

0:45:150:45:17

That's weird.

0:45:170:45:19

Morning.

0:45:580:46:00

Hey.

0:46:000:46:01

Want a laugh?

0:46:030:46:05

Sure.

0:46:050:46:06

-The website for Jukt Micronics.

-Oh, good.

0:46:060:46:09

Yeah, you might not think so when you see what's on it.

0:46:090:46:12

I don't think Mr Sims liked that piece that much.

0:46:150:46:17

Yeah, and I found this too on my fridge for some reason.

0:46:240:46:28

Ian Restil's agent - Joe Hiert.

0:46:280:46:31

I'd like to pause for a moment.

0:46:410:46:43

You can't really go into the world of journalism

0:46:430:46:45

without first understanding how a piece gets edited

0:46:450:46:47

at a place like TNR.

0:46:470:46:49

This is the system that Michael Kelly

0:46:490:46:51

brought with him from the 'New Yorker' -

0:46:510:46:53

a three-day torture test.

0:46:530:46:54

If your article's good, the process will only make it better.

0:46:540:46:57

If your article's shaky, you're in for a long week.

0:46:570:47:01

A story comes in and it goes to a senior editor.

0:47:010:47:03

He or she edits it on computer

0:47:030:47:06

then calls in the writer, who makes revisions.

0:47:060:47:08

Then the piece goes to a second editor

0:47:080:47:10

and the writer revises it again.

0:47:100:47:11

Then it goes through a fact check, where every fact in the piece -

0:47:110:47:14

every date, every title, every place or assertion -

0:47:140:47:17

is checked and verified.

0:47:170:47:19

Then the piece goes to a copy editor where it is scrutinised once again.

0:47:190:47:22

Then it goes to lawyers, who apply their own burdens of proof.

0:47:220:47:25

Marty looks at it too.

0:47:250:47:27

He's very concerned with any kind of comment the magazine is making.

0:47:270:47:29

Then production takes it and lays it out in column inches and type.

0:47:290:47:32

Then it goes back on paper, then back to the writer,

0:47:320:47:35

back to the copy editor,

0:47:350:47:36

back to editor number one and editor number two,

0:47:360:47:38

back to the fact checker, back to the writer

0:47:380:47:40

and back to production again.

0:47:400:47:42

Throughout, those lawyers are reading and rereading,

0:47:420:47:45

looking for red flags - anything that feels uncorroborated.

0:47:450:47:47

Once they're satisfied, the pages are reprinted and it all happens again.

0:47:470:47:52

Every editor, the fact checkers - they all go through it one last time.

0:47:520:47:56

Now, most of you will start out as interns somewhere

0:47:570:48:01

and interns do a lot of fact checking.

0:48:010:48:03

So pay close attention.

0:48:030:48:05

There is a hole in the fact-checking system.

0:48:050:48:08

A big one.

0:48:080:48:10

The facts in most pieces

0:48:120:48:13

can be checked against some type of source material.

0:48:130:48:16

If an article's on, say, ethanol subsidies,

0:48:160:48:18

you could check for discrepancies against the Congressional Record,

0:48:180:48:21

trade publications, LexisNexis, footage from C-SPAN.

0:48:210:48:25

But on other pieces...

0:48:260:48:28

..the only source material available

0:48:290:48:32

are the notes provided by the reporter himself.

0:48:320:48:34

Steve.

0:48:360:48:38

This doesn't look like a real business card to me.

0:48:390:48:41

Yeah, I know. That's the kind of clown this guy is.

0:48:420:48:45

He won't even pay to have real cards made.

0:48:450:48:47

All right.

0:48:480:48:50

-My office at 9:00, OK?

-Yeah.

0:48:510:48:54

PHONE RINGS

0:48:560:48:58

Good morning.

0:48:580:49:00

A few other people we can't seem to locate -

0:49:010:49:03

Julie Farthwork, Frank Juliet and Ian Restil's agent, Joe Hiert.

0:49:030:49:09

We called the numbers you gave us, got voicemails for all three,

0:49:090:49:12

and the emails were sent back - no address or account closed.

0:49:120:49:16

Really? Cos I've emailed them about a million times each.

0:49:160:49:19

Hiert's online all day long.

0:49:190:49:20

Did you ever call these people and get them directly?

0:49:200:49:22

No, I always left messages and spoke to them when they called me back.

0:49:220:49:26

And the references in the article to Nevada law-enforcement officials -

0:49:260:49:30

was Jim Ghort the only one you spoke to?

0:49:300:49:32

-Yes.

-Do you have a phone number for him?

0:49:320:49:34

Yeah, definitely.

0:49:340:49:35

Wait, what was your basis for writing

0:49:350:49:38

that Jukt was a big-time software company?

0:49:380:49:40

I didn't. That was added by the copy desk.

0:49:400:49:43

And was the hackers conference

0:49:430:49:44

where you first met the Jukt executives?

0:49:440:49:46

No, that part of the article is misleading.

0:49:460:49:48

I...I was never in the Restils' home at all.

0:49:480:49:50

You weren't in Restil's home with the Jukt executive?

0:49:500:49:52

No, I didn't mean to imply that I had been.

0:49:520:49:54

Sorry about that. Did the fax come through OK?

0:50:010:50:04

Yes, it did.

0:50:040:50:05

I think the address must've gotten garbled. We can't find the site.

0:50:050:50:09

-OK, you want to read it back to me?

-Sure.

0:50:090:50:11

You gave us members.aol.juktn.html.

0:50:110:50:15

-Wait, was that an 'M'?

-I'm sorry?

0:50:150:50:18

After Jukt, was that an 'M', as in Micronics?

0:50:180:50:20

No, it was an 'N'... as in not working.

0:50:200:50:23

Try 'M'.

0:50:250:50:27

OK.

0:50:270:50:28

Sorry about that. I was just rushing.

0:50:280:50:30

Of course.

0:50:300:50:32

But I do find myself wondering, Stephen,

0:50:320:50:35

why would a major software company

0:50:350:50:37

put their website where only AOL members can access it

0:50:370:50:39

as opposed to the entire Web?

0:50:390:50:41

I have no idea.

0:50:410:50:42

I don't have a website, so I don't really know that much about them.

0:50:420:50:45

I would trust you guys to know better than me.

0:50:450:50:48

OK, looks like...we have the Jukt website up now.

0:50:490:50:54

I have to say, Stephen,

0:51:040:51:06

this looks very suspicious to me.

0:51:060:51:09

How so?

0:51:090:51:10

Quite frankly, it doesn't look like a real website.

0:51:100:51:14

It looks like a site that was created to fool someone.

0:51:140:51:17

I don't know much about computers. Could somebody do that?

0:51:180:51:20

-Of course.

-Very easily.

0:51:200:51:22

So easily, in fact, it's incredible.

0:51:220:51:24

Hey, do you guys still want that number for Jim Ghort,

0:51:240:51:26

cos I just found it in my notes.

0:51:260:51:28

Yeah, sure.

0:51:280:51:30

All right, 605-84...

0:51:300:51:32

-Oh, wait.

-Sorry?

0:51:320:51:34

Uh...605 - that's not Nevada.

0:51:340:51:38

Oh.

0:51:410:51:43

I guess I got him mixed up with another source.

0:51:500:51:52

Uh... FLICKS THROUGH PAGES

0:51:520:51:55

Sorry about that one.

0:52:020:52:03

Oh, you know what it was?

0:52:030:52:05

Jim Ghort was actually the guy

0:52:050:52:07

who told me about the law-enforcement officials.

0:52:070:52:08

Um...I don't know what I was thinking.

0:52:080:52:12

Um...I'm gonna have to get you...

0:52:120:52:14

Steve.

0:52:140:52:16

Give him the number.

0:52:160:52:17

This guy's toast.

0:52:240:52:26

All right, Stephen.

0:52:260:52:28

In light of all this, how confident are you with this story of yours?

0:52:280:52:32

-Are we off the record?

-If you like.

0:52:350:52:38

Well...

0:52:380:52:39

..off the record...

0:52:400:52:42

..some of the things that you've brought up...

0:52:440:52:46

..the website, the idea that I was always

0:52:470:52:50

speaking to these people through voicemail...

0:52:500:52:52

..that is, that they were always calling me...

0:52:540:52:56

..it didn't seem strange before,

0:52:580:52:59

but clearly there are some problems with the story -

0:52:590:53:01

you've pointed them out.

0:53:010:53:03

One portion of it was structured in a way that...

0:53:030:53:06

..I just, well... in light of all this...

0:53:090:53:13

..I just...I'm increasingly beginning to believe that I've been duped.

0:53:180:53:22

And so we hang up after he's basically

0:53:300:53:32

let these guys interrogate me for an hour,

0:53:320:53:34

and I go, "Chuck, what happened? I mean, why didn't you back me up?"

0:53:340:53:39

He goes, "I'm sorry, Steve,

0:53:390:53:41

"I gotta protect the magazine. I mean, I'm the editor."

0:53:410:53:43

-Typical.

-He's being such an asshole.

0:53:430:53:45

So I'm dead, pretty much.

0:53:450:53:48

PHONE RINGS

0:53:480:53:50

Yes, this is Kambiz.

0:53:500:53:52

Can we have a talk here? Just editor to editor?

0:53:520:53:55

Sure. Go ahead.

0:53:570:53:59

Completely off the record and really almost human being to human being?

0:53:590:54:03

Of course.

0:54:030:54:04

You guys have discovered something that a troubled kid has done,

0:54:040:54:08

but I still don't know how you plan to play it.

0:54:080:54:11

Chuck, we're not in the business of gotcha journalism here.

0:54:110:54:13

I have no interest in embarrassing you or the 'New Republic'.

0:54:130:54:16

I'm not worried about me or the magazine - that's fair game.

0:54:160:54:18

But there's a kid here who basically just plainly screwed up, big time.

0:54:180:54:24

His reporting was sloppy, we know that,

0:54:240:54:26

but we're trying to handle it internally at this point,

0:54:260:54:28

just as you would.

0:54:280:54:30

Listen, we're going to run something...

0:54:300:54:32

..along the lines of a trick was pulled

0:54:320:54:36

and some very clever hackers managed to create an illusion.

0:54:360:54:38

I can't tell you what to print or not to print.

0:54:380:54:41

You guys are journalists.

0:54:410:54:42

But he could be very hurt by what you guys publish. His career.

0:54:420:54:46

Chuck, I understand.

0:54:460:54:48

I do.

0:54:480:54:49

I would hope if I made the mistakes he made,

0:54:490:54:52

people would be generous with me.

0:54:520:54:54

But...this concerns the very field we cover.

0:54:540:54:59

We have to run it.

0:54:590:55:01

And when we do, we're gonna need a comment from you.

0:55:010:55:04

So given everything that's happened,

0:55:060:55:08

how strongly are you gonna stand behind this story?

0:55:080:55:11

I'm looking into it.

0:55:150:55:18

It's really not that big a deal.

0:55:180:55:20

You got fooled by a source. It happens.

0:55:200:55:23

We'll print a retraction and that will be that.

0:55:230:55:26

Steve, it's not like it's gonna hurt your career.

0:55:260:55:28

Of course, if you weren't so distracted by your classes,

0:55:280:55:30

maybe this never would have happened.

0:55:300:55:31

Yeah, I know. I've really gotta quit. You were right.

0:55:310:55:33

Can I speak to you for a minute, Steve?

0:55:390:55:41

-What about?

-Let's do it in private.

0:55:410:55:44

We need to take a drive to Bethesda.

0:55:530:55:55

-What for?

-I want to meet Joe Hiert.

0:55:570:55:59

I already told you. Nobody knows where he is.

0:55:590:56:01

Well, maybe if we go to the hotel

0:56:010:56:03

where he met with the Restils and Sims,

0:56:030:56:05

someone will remember him or have some clue of how to find him.

0:56:050:56:08

Chuck, there were hundreds of people there, OK?

0:56:080:56:10

These Forbes guys want to come down on you.

0:56:100:56:12

They're highly suspicious about some of the material in that article.

0:56:120:56:15

-You know that.

-Yeah.

0:56:150:56:16

But they're gonna go online with their piece tomorrow.

0:56:160:56:19

-Oh.

-OK?

0:56:190:56:21

Yeah. Yeah.

0:56:210:56:23

Now... Steve?

0:56:230:56:26

-Steve.

-Yeah.

0:56:260:56:29

If we can find Hiert, then I can back 'em off for a day or two, OK?

0:56:290:56:33

-OK, I'll get my notes.

-OK.

0:56:330:56:35

-Let's go.

-All right.

0:56:450:56:47

We were at this table.

0:56:570:56:59

Restil sat here, his mother was on his left.

0:56:590:57:01

Hiert... Sorry, his mother was on his right.

0:57:010:57:04

Hiert sat there, but then Restil wanted him closer

0:57:040:57:06

so he slid his chair over.

0:57:060:57:08

Sims sat here, he had a lawyer next to him.

0:57:080:57:10

I forget the guy's name. It's in my notes.

0:57:100:57:12

Somebody was smoking at this table,

0:57:120:57:14

so then Restil's mother insisted that we move to one farther away.

0:57:140:57:18

Over there.

0:57:180:57:19

The hacker conference was near here, right?

0:57:190:57:22

SHOUTING

0:57:220:57:24

Yeah, the building next door.

0:57:240:57:26

I don't remember from the article.

0:57:260:57:28

How many people did you say were at this thing?

0:57:280:57:30

Uh...it looked like 100. Might have been 200. It's in my notes.

0:57:300:57:33

200 people?

0:57:380:57:40

Here?

0:57:410:57:43

Yeah, they moved in and out. I mean, most of them were kids.

0:57:430:57:47

That doesn't seem credible to me.

0:58:040:58:05

All I know is I was here.

0:58:050:58:07

All of us were right here.

0:58:070:58:09

Excuse me, sir. Can I help you?

0:58:090:58:11

Yes, you can.

0:58:110:58:12

We're looking into a conference

0:58:170:58:19

that was held here a couple Sundays ago.

0:58:190:58:21

Computer hackers. Do you remember anything like that?

0:58:210:58:24

Are you sure you're in the right building, sir?

0:58:240:58:26

-Yes, we're sure.

-Why is that?

0:58:260:58:27

The building's closed on Sunday.

0:58:270:58:29

All I know is I was here.

0:58:340:58:35

The conference was right here.

0:58:350:58:38

That's why the Restils only stayed a few minutes, OK?

0:58:410:58:43

Because it was such a dumb place to squeeze into.

0:58:430:58:46

So they went to a restaurant for dinner

0:58:460:58:49

with some of Ian's hacker friends.

0:58:490:58:50

Thank you.

0:58:520:58:54

-How many?

-Huh?

0:58:570:58:58

People at the dinner - how many?

0:59:000:59:02

Um...about 10, I think. Including me.

0:59:020:59:06

He didn't even put on a jacket.

0:59:060:59:08

-Hiert was there too?

-Yeah.

0:59:080:59:10

Is it near here?

0:59:100:59:12

-Yeah, it's across the street.

-Good, let's cross the street.

0:59:120:59:14

You know, I really don't like the way you're treating me, Chuck.

0:59:160:59:18

It's like you won't even talk to me.

0:59:180:59:20

-This is the place?

-Yes.

0:59:200:59:22

I didn't do anything wrong, OK?

0:59:220:59:24

I didn't do anything wrong. You saw my notes. Everything was in there.

0:59:240:59:28

I got tricked. I got fooled. I'm sorry. What are you being so mad for?

0:59:290:59:34

-It was ten people?

-Yes.

0:59:340:59:37

-For dinner?

-Yes.

0:59:370:59:39

They're closed at 3:00 on Sundays.

0:59:390:59:42

Yeah, I know.

0:59:420:59:44

I know. They almost didn't let us in, OK?

0:59:440:59:46

But it was a couple of minutes before 3:00

0:59:460:59:48

and Ian looked like he was about ready to cry, and so they said OK.

0:59:480:59:51

For dinner?

0:59:510:59:53

Go in and ask them yourself, Chuck.

0:59:530:59:54

OK, go in and see if they would serve a party that came in at 2:58

0:59:540:59:58

and the answer would be yes, because that's when we got here.

0:59:581:00:00

The Forbes guys are gonna have all this too

1:00:001:00:02

and they're gonna dig through the records at that office building.

1:00:021:00:04

OK, I'm sure they have surveillance cameras

1:00:041:00:06

and they're gonna check them!

1:00:061:00:07

I didn't do anything wrong, Chuck!

1:00:071:00:09

I really wish you'd stop saying that!

1:00:091:00:11

Steve...

1:00:161:00:18

..come on, anyone can make a mistake.

1:00:211:00:23

You know, this is not right, Chuck.

1:00:231:00:25

OK, I feel really attacked.

1:00:251:00:27

And you're my editor - you're supposed to support me

1:00:271:00:30

and you're taking their word against mine?

1:00:301:00:32

You're supposed to support me!

1:00:341:00:35

-MAN ON RADIO:

-Criticism of the President's programme has been...

1:00:431:00:45

Leave it off.

1:00:451:00:47

I'm sorry I yelled at you back there.

1:00:541:00:56

Chuck?

1:00:591:01:00

-Steve!

-HORN BLARES

1:01:101:01:11

-Pull the goddamn car over.

-Yeah.

1:01:151:01:18

There's been so much pressure.

1:01:331:01:34

I... Chuck, I didn't mean to get anybody in trouble.

1:01:361:01:38

OK. OK.

1:01:381:01:41

You weren't at the conference.

1:01:431:01:45

No.

1:01:471:01:48

You know, I had a description of it from so many sources.

1:01:501:01:54

I thought I had it solid.

1:01:541:01:56

OK, and I wanted the piece to have an eyewitness feel to it, for colour,

1:01:561:02:00

so I said I'd been there myself.

1:02:001:02:03

And everything we just told the Forbes guys?

1:02:031:02:06

Yeah, I am so sorry, Chuck. I just panicked.

1:02:061:02:11

If you want me to say that I made it up, I will.

1:02:151:02:18

If that'll help you, I'll say it.

1:02:181:02:20

I just want you to tell me the truth, Steve.

1:02:221:02:25

Can you do that?

1:02:251:02:29

All I'm suggesting is that there might be

1:02:291:02:31

facets of this that you're not considering.

1:02:311:02:33

-Why are you defending him?

-Nobody's defending him, Chuck.

1:02:331:02:36

-Of course you're defending him.

-He's a kid.

1:02:361:02:39

He doctored his notes, Lew. Just consider that for a second.

1:02:391:02:42

You know?

1:02:421:02:43

He sat down and he handwrote a bunch of phoney quotes

1:02:431:02:46

and he handed them in as source material for the fact check.

1:02:461:02:49

Doesn't that offend you?

1:02:491:02:51

Of course it does.

1:02:511:02:52

Well, he also lied to his editor. That's supposed to offend you too.

1:02:521:02:55

He's a confused, distraught kid, obviously, Chuck,

1:02:551:02:58

so suspend him for a couple of months, but let's not bury him.

1:02:581:03:01

Suspend him...

1:03:011:03:03

There are... also political considerations

1:03:031:03:06

to take into account here.

1:03:061:03:08

The rest of the staff - the way they feel about him.

1:03:081:03:11

I... I already know all that.

1:03:111:03:13

What I'm saying is if you fire him, some of these people will leave.

1:03:131:03:19

I don't know if we'd still have a magazine at the end of the day.

1:03:191:03:22

-Hey, Caitlin.

-Not now, David.

1:03:251:03:27

How's he doing?

1:03:311:03:33

Well, he's a wreck, of course.

1:03:331:03:34

I want him in here, Caitlin.

1:03:341:03:37

He's too scared to come in here. He thinks you want to destroy him.

1:03:371:03:40

He knows what he did was horrible. He knows how badly he messed up.

1:03:401:03:44

The part he's most upset about is lying to you, Chuck.

1:03:441:03:47

Because he knows you took it as a sign of disrespect

1:03:471:03:49

instead of as a panic move, which is what it was.

1:03:491:03:51

Think about the workload he's been carrying.

1:03:511:03:54

All this and classes.

1:03:541:03:55

He hasn't slept more than two hours in nine months.

1:03:551:03:58

So he got a little sloppy and he lied to cover his tracks.

1:03:581:04:00

He's sick about it.

1:04:001:04:02

Caitlin, the building he described - it doesn't even exist.

1:04:021:04:07

He just made it up.

1:04:071:04:09

So?

1:04:111:04:12

Obviously he needs some help.

1:04:191:04:22

-He needs help.

-Just get him in here.

1:04:241:04:26

You can't fire him.

1:04:261:04:27

I don't think he'll survive.

1:04:291:04:30

You don't understand. We're all he has.

1:04:301:04:32

You can't fire him, Chuck.

1:04:341:04:36

Thanks, Lew.

1:04:381:04:40

Can you guys excuse us for a minute?

1:05:031:05:05

So all the men water down stock, and you know, within...

1:05:481:05:53

Steve!

1:05:531:05:55

What are you doing here?

1:06:011:06:03

I'm so dead.

1:06:041:06:05

I mean, I'm over.

1:06:051:06:08

Nobody's ever gonna hire me again, are they?

1:06:091:06:12

I was so sloppy trusting my sources like that,

1:06:141:06:17

and then lying about it.

1:06:171:06:19

And to Chuck, of all people.

1:06:191:06:21

I mean, the one guy who's hated me all along.

1:06:211:06:25

I'm sure that none of this is personal.

1:06:261:06:28

No?

1:06:281:06:30

Chuck keeps a list...in his head.

1:06:301:06:33

Everybody who's a Michael Kelly person.

1:06:331:06:36

A couple of times I said some things I shouldn't have said about you.

1:06:361:06:42

So now I'm on it.

1:06:421:06:43

That's why he's so set on killing me now.

1:06:431:06:47

Well, I have to tell you, Steve, he's within his rights.

1:06:471:06:50

The things you did were fireable offences.

1:06:501:06:53

I know. I...I'm not saying that they weren't.

1:06:531:06:56

I did some terrible, terrible things.

1:06:581:07:01

But believe me, Michael, Chuck doesn't care about any of it.

1:07:041:07:08

It's my loyalty to you that he's punishing me for.

1:07:081:07:12

I'm such an idiot.

1:07:121:07:14

Now who's gonna hire me?

1:07:151:07:17

Steve, I have to ask you something.

1:07:191:07:21

Um...

1:07:211:07:22

..did you ever cook a piece when I was your boss?

1:07:251:07:27

Did you ever lie to me?

1:07:301:07:31

The Young Conservatives piece - the mini-bottles.

1:07:331:07:36

Was that true?

1:07:371:07:39

PHONE RINGS

1:07:511:07:53

Hello?

1:07:571:07:58

Chuck, it's David Bach.

1:07:581:07:59

Look, I'm really sorry to bother you at night but it seemed important.

1:07:591:08:02

It's fine. Is there a problem?

1:08:021:08:04

Well, I don't know.

1:08:041:08:07

I just off the phone with Stephen.

1:08:071:08:08

He sounds horrible.

1:08:081:08:10

Did you suspend him, Chuck?

1:08:101:08:12

David, what is the problem?

1:08:121:08:16

He asked me if I would drive him out to Dulles later tonight.

1:08:161:08:20

He said he wasn't sure he'd be safe driving by himself.

1:08:201:08:22

I just... I thought I should draw your attention to that.

1:08:221:08:25

Did he say where he was going?

1:08:251:08:27

Yeah, he said he'd be staying with his family for a while.

1:08:271:08:30

That can only be one of two places.

1:08:301:08:31

His parents live in Highland Park, right?

1:08:311:08:33

Yeah. Or his brother out in Palo Alto.

1:08:331:08:37

I'm sorry?

1:08:371:08:38

His brother. At Stanford.

1:08:381:08:40

Chuck?

1:08:411:08:42

You had your brother pose as George Sims.

1:09:001:09:02

What?

1:09:021:09:03

The phony recording from Jukt Micronics.

1:09:031:09:06

It's a Palo Alto number.

1:09:061:09:08

And your brother's a student at Stanford.

1:09:081:09:10

-You had him pose as Sims.

-No, Sims is a real guy.

1:09:101:09:12

-Steve, Steve...

-I've talked to him a million times.

1:09:121:09:14

My brother and I aren't even speaking right now.

1:09:141:09:16

Stop it. You faked Sims.

1:09:161:09:18

You faked the website. You faked all those voicemails.

1:09:181:09:21

You've got this totally backward.

1:09:211:09:22

Restil, Hiert, Ghort - it's all crap.

1:09:221:09:24

I can trace it if you make me. I'll find it all billed to you.

1:09:241:09:27

I don't know what you're talking about, OK?

1:09:271:09:28

-Those are all real people.

-They are?

1:09:281:09:30

Yeah.

1:09:301:09:32

Look at me...

1:09:331:09:35

..and say that again.

1:09:371:09:38

Those are all real people.

1:09:381:09:41

OK.

1:09:471:09:48

I want you out of here.

1:09:501:09:52

What?

1:09:521:09:53

I want you out of here. And you can't take anything with you.

1:09:531:09:57

There's some files, OK? I have to put them on a disk.

1:09:581:10:01

-No.

-No, they're mine. Personal stuff.

1:10:011:10:03

I don't care.

1:10:031:10:05

I know you don't.

1:10:081:10:10

-Can I at least shut down my computer?

-Don't touch it!

1:10:101:10:12

I'm in the middle of a file, Chuck.

1:10:121:10:14

-Back away from the desk.

-Goddammit.

1:10:141:10:16

Leave it, all right? Or I'll call security.

1:10:161:10:18

-Jesus Christ.

-OK?

1:10:181:10:19

Can I take my Rolodex?

1:10:241:10:26

Steve...

1:10:281:10:29

Can I take my law books?

1:10:311:10:33

Sure.

1:10:331:10:35

But I'm going to need to have your security key.

1:10:391:10:41

I'm not a criminal, Chuck.

1:10:441:10:46

OK?

1:10:491:10:51

I'm not a criminal.

1:10:531:10:55

Oh, I heard you.

1:10:551:10:56

Come on.

1:10:561:10:58

Chuck?

1:11:191:11:21

I said I was sorry.

1:11:321:11:33

I know.

1:11:331:11:35

But you have to go.

1:11:361:11:38

STEPHEN: "Bond traders, as a rule, Do not have much time to loaf around.

1:12:381:12:41

"And the Wall Street investment house RVL

1:12:411:12:44

"takes its work ethic to a particularly..."

1:12:441:12:46

"One trader is now testing a hand-held urinal

1:12:461:12:49

"normally used by cops on stake-outs..."

1:12:491:12:51

"A few days after Mike Tyson was disqualified

1:12:531:12:56

"for biting Evander Holyfield,

1:12:561:12:57

"I offered half a dozen cop shows my services as a biting expert.

1:12:571:13:00

"I'm someone who knows a..."

1:13:001:13:02

"The minibar is open

1:13:021:13:04

"and empty little bottles of booze are scattered on the carpet."

1:13:041:13:06

"It was the monthly gathering

1:13:071:13:09

"of the commission to restore the presidency to greatness.

1:13:091:13:11

"Patriotic prophets will have a hard time

1:13:121:13:14

"holding back this merchandising bonanza as..."

1:13:141:13:16

EXCERPTS FROM SEVERAL ARTICLES READ SIMULTANEOUSLY

1:13:161:13:19

SILENCE

1:13:311:13:34

STEPHEN: Thanks, Gerald. Sorry for the interruption.

1:13:341:13:37

-No problem, Steve.

-DOOR CLOSES

1:13:371:13:40

Chuck?

1:13:531:13:54

Um, the, um...the thing with George Sims...

1:13:571:14:03

..that was...

1:14:041:14:06

The voice that you heard on the telephone...

1:14:061:14:08

..that was my brother.

1:14:101:14:11

I'm sorry.

1:14:111:14:12

There really is a George Sims.

1:14:171:14:18

I've spoken to him a million times.

1:14:181:14:21

He just stopped talking to me -

1:14:211:14:23

you know, because of the article.

1:14:231:14:26

He was so mad about it.

1:14:261:14:28

I didn't know what to do.

1:14:281:14:30

And the guys from Forbes were putting so much pressure on me, you know?

1:14:301:14:33

And you were so mad.

1:14:331:14:35

I just thought that if I could get everybody off my back,

1:14:351:14:38

OK, for just a day...

1:14:381:14:39

Just a day would give me enough time to go and find him.

1:14:391:14:43

You can understand that, can't you?

1:14:431:14:44

You're fired, Steve.

1:14:461:14:48

What?

1:14:491:14:51

You're fired.

1:14:511:14:52

You've lost your job.

1:14:521:14:54

But you can't. I...

1:14:581:15:00

Chuck, will you please take me to the airport?

1:15:251:15:30

Jesus.

1:15:321:15:33

Please, OK?

1:15:331:15:34

You don't have to talk to me if you don't want to.

1:15:361:15:39

That's fine.

1:15:391:15:40

But I can't be by myself right now, OK?

1:15:421:15:46

I'm, er... I'm afraid of what I'm gonna do.

1:15:461:15:51

You know?

1:15:511:15:53

I can't get there by myself.

1:15:531:15:55

I'm not going anywhere with you.

1:15:581:16:00

Now, if you feel like you're a danger to yourself,

1:16:001:16:02

you can sit down for a few minutes until you feel calm enough to go,

1:16:021:16:05

but I am not going anywhere with you.

1:16:051:16:07

But I'm afraid that I'm gonna do something, OK?

1:16:071:16:13

Did... Did you hear what I said?

1:16:151:16:17

Yeah.

1:16:171:16:19

It's a hell of a story.

1:16:211:16:22

Chuck, please?

1:16:261:16:28

Stop pitching, Steve.

1:16:291:16:31

It's over.

1:16:311:16:33

OK.

1:16:381:16:40

-MRS DUKE:

-'Spring Breakdown'.

1:17:051:17:07

'The Jungle'. 'A Fine Mess'.

1:17:071:17:10

'After the Fall'.

1:17:101:17:12

'Peddling Poppy'.

1:17:121:17:15

'Cheap Suits'. 'Kicked Out'.

1:17:151:17:19

'No Free Launch'. 'Ratted Out'.

1:17:191:17:22

'State of Nature'. 'Clutch Situation'.

1:17:221:17:25

'All Wet'. 'Plotters'.

1:17:251:17:27

'Praised be Greenspan'.

1:17:271:17:29

'Monica Sells'. 'Hack Heaven'.

1:17:291:17:33

What the hell did you do to Steve?

1:17:421:17:43

He just called me from his car, hysterical.

1:17:431:17:45

I asked him what was wrong and he said, "Ask Chuck."

1:17:451:17:47

I fired him, OK!

1:17:471:17:48

He's not suspended. Fired.

1:17:541:17:56

This wasn't an isolated incident, Caitlin.

1:17:581:18:00

He cooked a dozen of them, maybe more.

1:18:001:18:01

We have to go through them, you and I -

1:18:011:18:03

we have to go through all of them now.

1:18:031:18:05

No. The only one was 'Hack Heaven'. He told me that himself.

1:18:051:18:08

If he were a stranger to you, a guy you were doing a piece about,

1:18:081:18:11

pretend that guy told you he'd only done it once.

1:18:111:18:13

Would you take his word for it?

1:18:131:18:14

Of course not. You'd dig and you'd bury him.

1:18:141:18:17

And you'd be offended if anybody told you not to.

1:18:171:18:19

Every one of those pieces was fact-checked.

1:18:191:18:21

-They were all...

-So was 'Hack Heaven'!

1:18:211:18:23

You're a good reporter.

1:18:271:18:29

You've always been such a smart, thorough reporter.

1:18:291:18:31

Why can't you be one now?

1:18:311:18:33

Because what you're telling me is impossible, Chuck.

1:18:331:18:36

Go upstairs.

1:18:361:18:38

-Read them again.

-This is bullshit!

1:18:391:18:41

Make sure you go all the way back

1:18:411:18:43

because half of them ran when Mike was still here.

1:18:431:18:45

That's what this is. Of course.

1:18:471:18:50

I mean, what are you gonna do, Chuck?

1:18:501:18:51

Pick us off one by one - everybody that was loyal to Mike -

1:18:511:18:54

till you have a staff that belongs to you?

1:18:541:18:56

Is that the kind of magazine you want to run?

1:18:561:18:58

Caitlin, when this thing blows,

1:18:581:19:00

there isn't going to be a magazine anymore.

1:19:001:19:01

If you want to make this about Mike,

1:19:011:19:03

make it about Mike - I don't give a shit.

1:19:031:19:05

You can resent me, you can hate me, but come Monday morning,

1:19:051:19:07

we're all going to have to answer for what we let happen here.

1:19:071:19:10

We're all going to have an apology to make.

1:19:101:19:12

Jesus Christ, don't you have any idea how much shit we're about to eat?

1:19:121:19:16

Every competitor we ever took a shot at, they're gonna pounce.

1:19:161:19:18

And they should. Because we blew it, Caitlin.

1:19:181:19:21

He handed us fiction after fiction and we printed them all as fact...

1:19:211:19:26

..just because we found him entertaining.

1:19:281:19:31

It's indefensible.

1:19:351:19:36

Don't you know that?

1:19:371:19:39

-Is everyone in the conference room? MILLER:

-Mm-hm.

1:20:171:20:18

You know what could have prevented all this, don't you?

1:20:221:20:24

No. What?

1:20:241:20:26

Pictures.

1:20:271:20:28

How could you make up characters

1:20:301:20:32

if everyone you wrote about had to be photographed?

1:20:321:20:34

You know, Stephen, if you wanted to,

1:20:421:20:44

you could do these kids a giant favour.

1:20:441:20:47

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

1:20:471:20:49

You could write something boring one of these days.

1:20:531:20:55

Give them a little less to live up to.

1:20:561:20:58

I suppose I could.

1:21:001:21:02

I mean, we don't want a bunch of teenagers getting ulcers, do we?

1:21:021:21:07

Good morning.

1:21:091:21:10

That's funny...

1:21:311:21:32

..because I thought I was going to have to explain all this to you.

1:21:371:21:42

Well, what do you think of this guy?

1:21:461:21:49

Thank you.

1:22:031:22:05

Thank you.

1:22:101:22:11

Thanks. Thank you.

1:22:201:22:22

APPLAUSE FADES SLOWLY

1:22:291:22:32

-CHUCK:

-Steve?

1:22:461:22:48

Stephen?

1:22:481:22:50

We've read through all the pieces now.

1:22:531:22:56

And the entire staff.

1:22:561:22:58

And we've come up with a list of those

1:22:581:22:59

whose facts and sources we couldn't verify independently.

1:22:591:23:02

I know you can't admit guilt of any kind

1:23:021:23:06

but I want you to confirm a few titles for me.

1:23:061:23:09

We're not prepared to confirm or deny anything at this...

1:23:091:23:11

What I'm going to do is this -

1:23:111:23:13

I'm going to read to you a list of suspicious titles one by one.

1:23:131:23:17

If you raise an objection to a particular title,

1:23:181:23:21

we'll fact-check it again in the hope of removing it from the list.

1:23:211:23:25

If you remain silent,

1:23:251:23:27

we'll assume that piece is fabricated,

1:23:271:23:28

either partially or entirely,

1:23:281:23:32

and it'll stay on.

1:23:321:23:33

Is that clear to everyone?

1:23:341:23:36

OK.

1:23:391:23:40

'Hazardous to Your Mental Health'.

1:23:421:23:43

That means it stays on the list of suspicious pieces -

1:23:481:23:51

fabricated pieces.

1:23:511:23:53

-LAWYER:

-We understand.

1:23:531:23:55

MARKS PAPER

1:23:571:23:59

'Holy Trinity'.

1:23:591:24:00

'Probable Claus'.

1:24:081:24:10

'Don't You DARE'

1:24:171:24:18

'Spring Breakdown'.

1:24:221:24:23

'State of Nature'.

1:24:261:24:28

'Rock the Morons'.

1:24:331:24:35

'After the Fall'.

1:24:371:24:39

STEPHEN: You have to know Who you're writing for.

1:24:391:24:41

And you have to know what you're good at.

1:24:411:24:44

I record what people do.

1:24:441:24:45

And I find out what moves them, what scares them.

1:24:451:24:48

And I write that down.

1:24:481:24:50

That way they're the ones telling the story.

1:24:501:24:52

And you know what?

1:24:521:24:54

Those kind of pieces can win Pulitzers too.

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Steve?

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