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There are so many show-offs in journalism, | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
so many braggarts and jerks. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
They're always selling, always working the room, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
always trying to make themselves look hotter than they actually are. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
The good news is reporters like that make it easy to distinguish yourself. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
If you're even a little bit humble, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
a little self-effacing or solicitous, | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
you stand out. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:47 | |
So you bring a coworker lunch if he's buried under a deadline. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
You remember birthdays. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
It's true - journalism is hard work, everybody's under pressure, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
everybody's grinding to get the issue out, nobody's getting any sleep, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
but you are allowed to smile every once in a while. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
I mean, even Woodward and Bernstein went out for a burger now and then, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
and they won a Pulitzer. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:07 | |
Some reporters think it's political content that makes a story memorable. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
I think it's the people you find - | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
their quirks, their flaws, what makes them funny, | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
what makes them human. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:19 | |
Journalism is just the art of capturing behaviour. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
You have to know who you're writing for | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
and you have to know what you're good at. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
I record what people do. I find out what moves them, what scares them. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
And I write that down. That way they're the ones telling the story. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
And you know what? Those kind of pieces can win Pulitzers too. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
MOUTHS SILENTLY | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
-WOMAN: -Contributing writer For 'Harper's Magazine'. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:43 | |
Contributing writer for 'George' magazine. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
Contributing writer for 'Rolling Stone'. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
And of course, associate editor of the 'New Republic' magazine | 0:02:50 | 0:02:56 | |
in Washington, DC. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
Sorry if I'm beaming, but, you know, I was his journalistic muse. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
It's true. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
Just seven years ago, he was sitting... | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
Right there. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:11 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
Right there. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
And I was doing the exact same thing you guys are doing - | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
writing out pieces and then having horrid nightmares | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
of Mrs Duke and her infamous red pen. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
And see what happens when greatness is demanded of you? | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
Now he's at the 'New Republic'. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
And now I'm at the 'New Republic'. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
-REPORTER: -In May, the editors of the 'New Republic' magazine... | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
-REPORTER 2: -..the 'Washington Post', the 'New Republic' | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
and the 'Boston Globe'. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:03 | |
But the bill was blasted in the 'New Republic' this week. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
They called it a pitiful act... | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
-MAN: -I just wanted to get confirmation on... | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
-MAN 2: -So I said network news... | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
Oh, right, that's that show that's on every night | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
between those Fixodent commercials, right? | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
-MAN: -Shut him up. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:22 | |
-Hey, Steve. -Hey, Steve. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
Hey, guys. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:28 | |
Gloria, that necklace is you. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
Thanks, doll. I got some new merchandise. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
-For your girlfriend. -As soon as I get this piece done. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
-How's it coming? -Horrible. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
It's the fundamental nature of the magazine, Lew. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Miller, can I get some coffees, please? | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
Sure. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:45 | |
If people want photographs, they can buy 'Newsweek'. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
They DO buy 'Newsweek'. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:48 | |
And 'Time' and 'US News' and 'World Report' | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
and our losses are a joke. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
Let me guess - he's on you again about a redesign. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
-Yeah. Cover page and graphics. -Yeah, and photographs. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
Let me remind you, Steve, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
this magazine hasn't changed its look since the '80s. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
How is it? | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
It's good. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
-You hate it. -No, it's good, it's good. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
It's just a little rough. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:12 | |
No, it's the worst thing I ever wrote. It's horrible. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
If you guys don't help me with it, I'm not even gonna send it in. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
-When's it due? -Tomorrow. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
I may have to kill myself. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
I mean, the 'New York Times Magazine'! | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
Will you guys help me with it? Please? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
-Of course. -Of course. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
Thank you. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
Call for you on three, sweetie. Someone from 'Policy Review'. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
When did you start talking to 'Policy Review'? | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
I'm not. It's probably nothing. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
Send it to my voicemail, OK? | 0:06:41 | 0:06:42 | |
-Oh, and, sweetie... -Mm-hm? | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
Caitlin just told me that she needs gifts for two showers next week. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
You think you might have something for her? | 0:06:48 | 0:06:49 | |
I'll get my box. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
-Hmm. -I couldn't resist. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
-So you wanna do this now? -Yeah, in a second. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
I just have to return a quick phone call. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
I got you some gum. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Ohh. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
If I threw a party where all we did was play Monopoly, would you come? | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
Could I be the little shoe? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
Of course. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
The lawyers have asked us to tone down the cover on Serbia. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
They're afraid it might invite charges of libel. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
Yeah, um, I know a little bit of libel law. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
It's only relevant | 0:07:21 | 0:07:23 | |
if the person in question has been out of the public eye. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
Well, yeah, so there's Serbia, hidden, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
unknown to the world at large | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
until it appeared on the cover of the 'New Republic' | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
with our weekly circulation of 80,000. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
81,500. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
-Almost done with it, Rob? -Er, two days, tops. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
-Yeah, two days from Hanukkah. -Hey, it's basically finished. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
-For the most part. -Next up. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
Amy. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
Er, just finished the piece on ethanol subsidies. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
There are 16,800 magazines in this country. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
But only one calls itself the in-flight magazine of Air Force One. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
And that's the thrill of working at the 'New Republic'. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
You're underpaid, the hours are brutal, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
but what you write gets read by people who matter - | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
presidents, law-makers. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
Your work can actually influence public policy. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
That's an amazing privilege and a huge responsibility. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
I'm sorry. They don't want to hear | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
the whole journalistic responsibility speech. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
Do you? | 0:08:20 | 0:08:21 | |
You just want to know how to get your name in print, right? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
Sounds familiar. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
OK. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:31 | |
Let me take you through the life of your typical piece | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
so you can see what some of the hurdles are. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
We'll use one I wrote last year about a bunch of young Republicans | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
at a conservatives convention. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
Now, journalism is about pursuing the truth. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
And I would never encourage you to do anything sneaky or dishonest | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
in pursuit of a story. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
Such as assuming a phony identity. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
I don't know, man. It seemed like a pretty good turnout to me. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
No, man. Conservatism's dead. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
-Dead? -We're lost. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Damn straight. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
IN CLASSROOM: On a story like that, your notes are crucial. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
You have to record everything you see and hear, every quote, every detail, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
all the way down to the mini-bottles in the fridge. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
We're like this guy who has to pee, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
lost in the desert, looking for a tree. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
It's true. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
Completely true. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
You guys know what you're shopping for, right? | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
Totally. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
Get us a real heifer. The fatter the better. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
Bad acne would be a bonus. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
Let's do it! | 0:09:43 | 0:09:44 | |
MEN YELL AND HOOT | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
We'll thank you in the morning, I promise! | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
MEN CONTINUE HOOTING AND YELLING | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
-Hey, Steve. -Hey, Chuck. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
What are you working on? | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
Er, a piece Gabriel Garcia Marquez wrote about the Falklands War. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
How about you? | 0:10:25 | 0:10:26 | |
Young Republicans at the CPAC Conference. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
Pretty standard stuff. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
Hotel ballrooms, boring speeches, chicken dinners. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Which is why everybody spends their time in their suites upstairs | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
committing felonies. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
Oh, yeah? | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
Yeah, I went to one. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
The ballroom was empty. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
Every delegate under the age of 25 | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
was up on the 5th floor getting loaded. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
Drugs, binge drinking, hookers. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
Gets pretty ugly. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
Sounds great, Steve. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
So does yours. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:05 | |
OK, well, I gotta get back to work. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
-Have a good lunch. -Thanks. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
Hold it. Have to give myself a demerit for poor scene-setting. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
Let me explain. A year ago, Chuck Lane and I were peers. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
He hadn't become editor yet. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:22 | |
Michael Kelly was editing the magazine then. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
Sorry, Mrs Duke. I know how you feel about clarity. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
We've got to start calling some other places. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:36 | |
I don't think I can eat this stuff every day. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
Er, it was the Cannon building. You had it as Russell. I fixed it. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
Thank you. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
-I really liked it, Ames. -But boring, right? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
No. Nah, I really, really liked it. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
CLEARS THROAT | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
Yes, dear? | 0:11:54 | 0:11:55 | |
Somebody for you on three. Someone from 'Harper's. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
When did you start talking to 'Harper's? | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
I'm not. It's probably nothing. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
Could you send it to my voicemail, please? | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
Very good. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:06 | |
And by the way, Glo, that lipstick is the bomb. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
Oh, thanks, doll. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
What is it, Midnight Mist? | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
-I really gotta stop doing that. -What? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
All I do is give people more reasons to assume I'm gay. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
I mean, lately, it's everyone. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
Like the other night, I went out to dinner with this guy from the 'Post'. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Who? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:27 | |
I can't tell you. He made me promise. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
Anyway, we were walking around afterwards | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
talking about Medicare, for God's sakes, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
and then the next thing I know we're standing on the corner | 0:12:33 | 0:12:36 | |
of 18th and T. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
And he somehow managed to slip his tongue down my throat. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:43 | |
And I'm like, "Wait a minute. How did this happen?" | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
I don't understand. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Yeah, neither did I. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Hey. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:55 | |
Michael. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
-You have a minute? -Of course. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:57 | |
We have a problem with the 'Spring Breakdown' piece. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
Just got a letter from David Keene. He ran the CPAC Conference. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:03 | |
-He's made some... -Are you mad at me? | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
He's made some pretty serious charges. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
We need to answer them. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:09 | |
OK, um, my notes are at home. I can be back in 20 minutes. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
Is that too long? | 0:13:12 | 0:13:14 | |
Do your notes have anything about the minibars? | 0:13:14 | 0:13:15 | |
-Because that would help. -I think so. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
No, I'm sure. Why? | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
He claims the Omni Shoreham doesn't even have minibars. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
He mentioned it specifically. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:24 | |
I saw them. There were little bottles of booze all over the room. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
OK, um, I'll get Aari and Rob into it | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
and start the fact check again. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
-I'll get my notes. -Thank you. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
I'm sorry. We'll have to finish this later. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
No, no, I understand. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
Thank you. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:42 | |
What's wrong? | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
Just tell me. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:01 | |
Keene was right, Michael. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:04 | |
I messed up. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
I made a huge error. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:12 | |
I don't know what to say. If you want me to resign, I will. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
I want you to tell me what happened. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
They don't have minibars at the Omni Shoreham Hotel. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
I guess I just saw all those little bottles and I made an assumption, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
which I know we're never supposed to do. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
I'm really sorry. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
Those guys were drinking out of a rented refrigerator. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
A mini-fridge. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
-That's it? -Yeah. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
-The rest of the piece is solid? -Well, yeah, of course. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
Go home, Steve. Your resignation will not be required. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
Really? You're not mad? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
Of course not. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
Er, do you want my notes? | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
Have a good night. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
Thanks, Michael. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:18 | |
-Thanks for backing me. -It's what editors do. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
Goodnight. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
DIALS | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
Hi. Front desk, please. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
Hi, I need some information. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:55 | |
Um, do the suites at your hotels have minibars? | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
Well, can a guest rent something like that, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:02 | |
like a mini-refrigerator or something? | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
They can? | 0:16:04 | 0:16:05 | |
OK. Thank you very much. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
And she says, "I didn't invite Vernon Jordan that evening | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
"because my guests of honour were girls from Smith College. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
"Some of them were virgins and I wanted to keep it that way." | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
And you're gonna put that in the article, right? | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
Gosh, Alec, I don't know. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:24 | |
I mean, 'George' is such a dignified publication. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
You wouldn't want to put in something that gossipy, would you? | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
Absolutely not. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
Of course we put it in. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
Thank you, Stephen. You're going to make me look very, very smart. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
Er, the Fritos are running dangerously low. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
I'll be right back. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
You can't hide in here all night, Ames. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
Can I ask you something? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
What is this? I found it in the freezer. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
You said you hated how the Diet Coke at parties | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
was always at room temperature. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
And how, if you wanted to drink it cold, | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
you'd have to put it on ice, and then it would get too watery. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
-Don't you remember? -Yeah, I do. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
But I said that a couple of years ago. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
Steve. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:11 | |
I'm gonna call it a night, but thanks for having me. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
Oh. Thanks for coming. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
Alphabetised beer. That's perfect. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
Drive safe, Alec. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
Who's he? | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
Associate editor of 'George'. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
When did you start talking to 'George'? | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
I'm really not. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
It's probably nothing. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:31 | |
You know, if they stoop any lower, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
pretty soon you won't be able to tell the difference | 0:17:34 | 0:17:36 | |
between 'Time' and 'People'. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:37 | |
You say that as if there IS a difference. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Exactly. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
Hey! Thank you, Steve. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
What? | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
Are you mad at me? | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
I told you, I do not respond to "Are you mad at me?" | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
I'm not your kindergarten teacher. | 0:17:57 | 0:17:58 | |
We've been over this a thousand times already. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
You can't go to law school. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
You don't want to go to law school, remember? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
I know, I know. It's only nights. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
I wouldn't have to stop working or anything. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
I'm just going to put these down, I'll be right back. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
No! I want to talk about this. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
I told you, it's my parents, OK? They never shut up about it. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:19 | |
If I don't go, they won't let me be a journalist anymore. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
Let you? You're 24 years old, Stephen. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
You don't know how things go where I grew up, Caitlin, OK? | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
There are rules there. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
If your son's not a doctor or a lawyer | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
you keep your curtains closed. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
You're writing for the 'New-fucking-Republic'. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:33 | |
-Isn't that good enough? -Not in Highland Park. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
-I'm sorry... -Stop apologising for everything. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
I was looking through your mail. You should be pissed at me. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
-I'm not. -You're gonna throw this out, right? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
I can't. I'm sorry. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
Every station on the radio is talking about it - | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
Mike Tyson biting Evander Holyfield - | 0:18:58 | 0:19:01 | |
and these are supposed to be news stations. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
Um, so, on Tuesday, I started calling a few of them | 0:19:03 | 0:19:07 | |
and I finally got through to one. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:08 | |
A Bible talk station in Kentucky. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
And I managed to convince the screener | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
that I was a behavioural psychologist | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
who specialises in human on human biting. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
ALL LAUGH | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
I told the guy I'd done all this extensive research | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
on people who chomp flesh under extreme stress. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
ALL LAUGH | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
-What did they say? -They put me on the air. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
-I took calls for 45 minutes. -Oh, my God. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
Where does he find these people? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
It is kind of stupid. I know it's silly. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
I'll probably just kill it. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:42 | |
So you'll help me with it? | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
Why? Do you have finals this week or something? | 0:19:52 | 0:19:54 | |
OK, moving right along. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
Er, Chuck, what do you have for us? | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
Oh, it's just... | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
It's a bit of a hard act to follow. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
Very hard to follow. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
OK. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:11 | |
I'm starting the piece on Haiti. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
And I'll be going to... | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
Hey. Don't let me interrupt. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
-Hey, Marty. -Michael. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
I'm going down to Port-au-Prince for a few days. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
STEVE: Marty Peretz. Our boss. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
He's a little scary. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
How about the commas in dates, are we supposed to circle those too? | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
Let's just get this done, OK? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
What the hell is this? | 0:21:02 | 0:21:03 | |
Marty told us to circle all the commas in the last issue | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
so he could show us how we use them improperly. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
What? | 0:21:10 | 0:21:11 | |
He said commas should always appear in pairs. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
Apparently, the issue is rife with comma errors. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
-Rife? -That's what he said. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
I see. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
No, I'm not angry, Marty, I'm embarrassed for you. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
These people work gruelling hours for meagre pay. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
They deserve a thank you, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:28 | |
not another one of your world-famous tantrums. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
OK, I'd resign before I'd let you bully them like that again, | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
and I will. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
Do you understand that? | 0:21:36 | 0:21:37 | |
-OK. Thank you. -HANGS UP PHONE | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
Er, the great comma debate is history, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
so we can all go back to work. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
There are good editors, there are bad editors. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
You'll have both. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
My hope for you, though, is that once, at least once, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
you get a truly great one. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
A great editor defends his writers against anyone. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
He stands up and fights for you. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
Michael Kelly was that kind of editor. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
He had that kind of courage. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
And that's what hung him. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
-Hello. -Hey, Chuck. It's Marty Peretz. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
-You got a minute? -Of course. How are you, Marty? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
I'm in a bit of an uncomfortable situation, Chuck, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
and I thought you might be able to help me out. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
-Sure. -It's about Mike. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
-Oh. -He and I... | 0:22:50 | 0:22:52 | |
Well, it hasn't been working out for some time now, as you know. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
The tone of the magazine - I think it's gotten too nasty. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
It's strayed from the traditions that make it great | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
and I... I'm going to be making a change. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
I see. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
I'd like you to step in for him, Chuck. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
I'd like you to become editor. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:09 | |
Editor? | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
There's a catch, of course. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:13 | |
Mike doesn't know any of this yet | 0:23:13 | 0:23:15 | |
and it's gonna be two or three days before I tell him, | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
so it'll have to remain between us until then. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
Would that be a problem for you? | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
-Marty, Mike's a friend. -I appreciate that, Chuck. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:23 | |
But I can't remove him until I know who's gonna be his replacement - | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
for continuity's sake. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:27 | |
So this is how it has to be. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
I'm gonna have to think about this. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
I'm gonna have to discuss it with Catarina. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
Oh, of course. Of course. Listen... | 0:23:34 | 0:23:35 | |
Marty, have you thought about the impact this might have on the staff? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
They feel very... | 0:23:38 | 0:23:39 | |
He's earned a lot of loyalty there. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
Mostly by fighting with me! | 0:23:43 | 0:23:44 | |
Well, the point is I haven't earned that kind of loyalty. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
-And if it looks like... -I'll be in New York tomorrow. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
We'll go over all this in detail. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
-Could you call me at the hotel? -Yeah. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:52 | |
I really appreciate this, Chuck - your discretion. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
-'Night. -'Night, Marty. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
So I just got off the phone with Marty | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
and I've been fired, effective immediately. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
I'm to be out of the building by 5pm. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
Chuck Lane has been chosen to replace me. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
Chuck is not an editor. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
He's barely even a writer. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:38 | |
There's no way I'm going to be able to work for him. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
-STEVE: -We should have Seen this coming - | 0:24:41 | 0:24:42 | |
the way he laughs whenever Marty tells a joke in the meetings. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
They're never funny, but there's Chuck, completely howling. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
He's so political. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:50 | |
And stiff. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
-And humourless. -And pissy. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:53 | |
I mean, how pissy does he get | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
whenever you try to fact-check one of his pieces? | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
It's like, "I'm sorry, | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
"but we have an obligation to get our facts straight." | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
OK, let's not overdo it. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
This is still a great magazine. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
It's still an important magazine, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
and Monday morning, he's gonna be running it. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
I'm gonna barf. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:09 | |
All right, let me get out of here, OK? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
Well, I just want to thank you all again, truly. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
Um... I have loved every second of this. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
Well, good luck, Mike. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
You too, Chuck. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
DOOR OPENS AND CLOSES | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
Hi. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
Hi. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
SIGHS | 0:26:56 | 0:26:58 | |
Hey. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:21 | |
Hi. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
So, er, sorry about what happened when he left. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:29 | |
I just didn't know what to do. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
Thanks. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
If you need a hand with the boxes, I'll be in my office. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
So Chuck took over, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
and the job, for the first time ever, began to feel like a job. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
But I'm being unfair. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:48 | |
The truth is I wrote 14 pieces while Chuck was editing the magazine | 0:27:48 | 0:27:52 | |
and the last of them was the biggest story I ever wrote. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:55 | |
Is anyone interested in hackers? | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
Uh, cos I met this kid named Ian Restil - | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
biggest computer geek of all time. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
He hacked his way into the database of a company called Jukt Micronics | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
and posted naked pictures of women and the salary of every Jukt employee | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
on Jukt's website | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
with a note saying, "The big bad bionic boy has been here, baby." | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
ALL LAUGH | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
Outstanding! | 0:28:18 | 0:28:19 | |
The guys at Jukt decided | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
it would be cheaper to hire him as a security consultant | 0:28:21 | 0:28:23 | |
than to try to stop him, | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
so they met with him last week | 0:28:25 | 0:28:26 | |
at the hotel where the national hackers conference was taking place. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
It was the chairman from Jukt, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
Restil, Restil's mother and Restil's agent. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:34 | |
-No. -Yes, hackers have agents too. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:36 | |
All right, I was at the table with these guys. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
Restil's just laying out all of his demands. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:43 | |
-I want a Miata. -"I want a trip to Disney World." | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
I want 'X-Men' comic book No. 1. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
"I want a lifetime subscription to 'Playboy'..." | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
And throw in 'Penthouse'. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
And they're complying with every single word. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
Excuse me, sir. Pardon me for interrupting. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:55 | |
We can arrange more money for you | 0:28:55 | 0:28:56 | |
and you can buy the comic book yourself. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
And when you're of a more appropriate age, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
you can buy the car and pornographic magazines on your own. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
Cool. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
After that, after they have the meeting, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
he goes back into the conference | 0:29:17 | 0:29:19 | |
where all these hackers have gathered. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:21 | |
And they're treating him like he's a rock star. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:23 | |
Then, Restil jumps up on a table and he's like... | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
I want a Miata! | 0:29:36 | 0:29:37 | |
He's gyrating his hips, like this - "I want a Miata! | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
"I want my 'Playboys! | 0:29:42 | 0:29:43 | |
"I want a trip to Disney World." | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
-BOTH: -Show me the money! | 0:29:45 | 0:29:48 | |
"Show me the money!" | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
Turns out there are now 21 states considering | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
versions of a law called the Uniform Computer Security Act, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
which would criminalise immunity deals | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
between hackers and the companies they've torched. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
Meanwhile, Restil's agent claims a client list of over 300, | 0:30:06 | 0:30:11 | |
one of whom was once paid 1 million and a monster truck. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
ALL CHUCKLE IN DISBELIEF | 0:30:15 | 0:30:16 | |
It's unbelievable. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:17 | |
It's, er, really silly. I know, um... | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
I'm not even sure if I'm going to finish it. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
-MUTTERS: -Shit. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
You rang? | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
Yes, I rang. | 0:30:58 | 0:30:59 | |
Why didn't you get this? | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
Yeah. Oh... That... | 0:31:13 | 0:31:18 | |
I don't know. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:19 | |
Hey... | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
Hey. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:53 | |
Is it pronounced 'JEWkt' or 'JUHkt'? | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
It's pronounced 'give me back my article'. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
Hey. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
Adam! | 0:32:07 | 0:32:08 | |
Can you give a man a minute? | 0:32:08 | 0:32:10 | |
-SARCASTICALLY: -Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
Uh, it's just that, er, | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
this 'New Republic' piece is a fuckin' sieve. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
I started with a check on Jukt Micronics, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:24 | |
which is supposed to be this major software company in California. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:27 | |
I went through every search engine on the Web - | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
no matches found. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:30 | |
So I call 411, every area code in the State. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
There's no listing anywhere for a company called Jukt Micronics. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
Tried the California Tax Franchise Board - | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
there's no record of taxes ever having been paid | 0:32:38 | 0:32:40 | |
by a company called Jukt Micronics. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:42 | |
Tried the state comptroller's office - | 0:32:42 | 0:32:43 | |
no licence has ever been applied for by a company using that name. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
Then I called all the hackers I know, | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
asking if any had heard of a national assembly of hackers, | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
or of a hacker by the name of Big Bad Bionic Boy. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
Nothing. I even tried Ian Restil himself. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
There's no listing for the kid in DC, Virginia, Maryland. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
There's no record of him ever having attended a public school before. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:03 | |
-More? -Please. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:04 | |
Uh...this guy Joe Hiert was described in the Glass piece | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
as being this former basketball agent, | 0:33:07 | 0:33:08 | |
yet no-one by that name has ever been registered with the NBA, | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
and none of my hackers knew of him. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
I even checked the names of every government... | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
I was just getting some coffee. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:18 | |
I even checked the names | 0:33:22 | 0:33:23 | |
of every government employee quoted in the piece | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
against a book listing the names of every government employee | 0:33:25 | 0:33:27 | |
in the entire United States. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:29 | |
None of the Glass sources were listed. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
Wait...there is one thing in the story that checks out. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
What's that? | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
There does appear to be a state in the Union named Nevada. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
David! For Christ's sakes. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
God, I'm sorry, Stephen. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:46 | |
I just wanted to see if you'd read it yet | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
and it was sitting right here, you know? | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
Don't hate me, OK? | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
Stephen, you shredded it. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
I'm trying to spare you a spanking, David. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
You've got blind quotes all over the place, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
your facts are shaky... | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
I mean, the line about the turnover at DOT was low by 4.5%. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
-I checked. -Of course you did. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:10 | |
Rob and Aaron would kill you over that kind of stuff. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
This is the 'New Republic', remember? | 0:34:15 | 0:34:16 | |
Nothing slides here. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
If you don't have it cold, you don't turn it in. Ever. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
Look - bring me your notes later and we'll go through it together. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
There's a lot about it that I liked. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
Really? | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
Really. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:29 | |
Now get back to work, OK? That mail room floor needs scrubbing. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
OK. Thanks, Stephen. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
-RECORDED VOICE: -You have one unheard message. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
First message. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
Hi, Stephen. This is Adam Penenberg from 'Forbes Digital Tool'. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
I just got done reading your hacker article, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
and, first of all, congratulations. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
Everybody here just loved it. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
Uh...but we wanted to do a companion piece to it, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
sort of a 'Day Two' story, | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
and I'm having some trouble tracking down Ian Restil. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
Uh...do you think I could get a phone number on him from you? | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
Look, I think it's good that you tried this. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
It's good to stretch. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
I just... | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
I don't think you're writing to your strength here. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
-OK. Can I...? -I mean... | 0:35:20 | 0:35:21 | |
I'm wondering why you'd wanna stray | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
from the sort of things you do so well. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
Um... | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
Have you noticed the way Steve's phone has been ringing lately? | 0:35:37 | 0:35:40 | |
Did you see all those editors at the correspondents' dinner? | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
The way they were circling him? | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
Is that what you want, Amy? | 0:35:46 | 0:35:47 | |
To get a bunch of smoke blown up your ass by a pack of editors? | 0:35:47 | 0:35:50 | |
Yes. Yes, it is. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
Caitlin, he's going to double his salary, freelancing like that. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
These guys don't want policy pieces anymore, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
they want colour, they want nuance, humour... | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
But, Amy... | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
..you don't write funny. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:11 | |
It's a little funny... | 0:36:16 | 0:36:18 | |
..isn't it? | 0:36:20 | 0:36:21 | |
I was just looking for Steve. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
He's in his office. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:25 | |
-You got a minute, Steve? -Yeah. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Do you have phone numbers for all your sources | 0:36:36 | 0:36:37 | |
on the 'Hack Heaven' piece? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
-Mm-hm, but they're at home. -Can I get 'em? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
Of course. Um...did I do something wrong? Are you mad at me? | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
No. I just need the phone numbers. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:46 | |
OK. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:50 | |
OK...OK, I'm trying to keep cool about all this, but... | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
..you know the Uniform Computer Security Act? | 0:36:56 | 0:36:57 | |
In the Glass piece? | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
It was supposed to be under debate in 21 state legislatures. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
I just checked all 50. No such act. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
Beautiful. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:06 | |
And, er, Julie Farthwork from the Computer Security Center? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
Not too sure she exists either. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
Same with Jim Ghort | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
of the Center for Interstate Online Investigations. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
And I've got nothing on a national assembly of hackers or Frank Juliet. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
-Man. -Do you know why this is so great? | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
I mean, do you see the irony here? | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
The 'New Republic' - snobbiest rag in the business, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
the in-flight magazine of 'Air Force One', | 0:37:27 | 0:37:28 | |
and their star goes out | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
and gets completely snowed by a bunch of hackers! | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
I mean, God couldn't have written this any better. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
-Adam? -Yeah? | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
Long as I'm grinding away on this thing, | 0:37:47 | 0:37:48 | |
any chance you'd share your byline with me? | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
Forget it. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
We are in uncharted territory here, Adam. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:01 | |
An online magazine going after a giant? | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
You should have somebody beside you to take some of the flak, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
in case this thing blows up. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:09 | |
Gosh. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:11 | |
-That's touching. -You're completely swamped! | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
I know you're behind on the Kim Palese piece, and it's due Friday. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:16 | |
I'll get to it. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
Look, everything that I'm working on is so... | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
..dull! | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
And this is spectacular! | 0:38:22 | 0:38:24 | |
Andy...no. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
Look, it's not like you found the story yourself! | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
Kambiz just handed it to you. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
If I hadn't been at the dentist, it might be me about to get famous, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
so why don't you just share the wealth, OK? | 0:38:33 | 0:38:35 | |
Shit! | 0:38:35 | 0:38:36 | |
That came out a lot uglier than I meant it. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
Sorry. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:44 | |
-Hey. -Hey. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
Well, Ian Restil emailed me right back. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
It might be a little tough to put you in touch with him directly, though. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
Or at least until next week. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
This is his email. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
"Your story screwed up my deal. I don't to talk to...to you..." | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
-BOTH: -I don't wanna talk to you. -Yeah. Uh... | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
"I'm on vacation with my parents, so leave me alone." | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
What kind of parent goes on vacation with their kid in early May? | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
That's a good question. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
I guess you have to know his mom. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
She's a little quirky. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:21 | |
Uh...that's his email address, if you want to write him yourself. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
These are all my notes. Um... | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
That's the number for the national assembly of hackers. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
Don't be thrown if all you hear is, like, a dark, deep, heavy breathing. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
It's, I don't know, their outgoing voicemail message. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:40 | |
Ah...don't ask me why. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:41 | |
Um, and then that's the number for Jukt Micronics. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
The chairman's name is George Sims. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:47 | |
Uh...I can't figure out why this Penenberg guy | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
would have such a hard time finding it. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
You know. Whatever. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:52 | |
Uh, that's the URL to their website, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
and then I can't seem to find Joe Hiert's number. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
I was looking all over at home and... | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
..it's somewhere there, I know it is, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:00 | |
so I'll just get that to you tomorrow, if that's OK? | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
-Sure. -Yeah. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:04 | |
He's Restil's agent. | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
Should I, er... I'll give you some privacy. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
Uh, no, have a seat. 6-5-0...is that Palo Alto? | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
Uh, no. Silicone Valley. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
You'll probably get a voicemail. I usually do. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
-VOICEMAIL MESSAGE: -You've reached the offices of Jukt Micronics. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
Please leave a message. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
Hello, it's Charles Lane. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:22 | |
I'm calling from the 'New Republic' magazine in Washington, DC. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
I'd like to speak to George Sims, if I could. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
They already have our number. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
I guess you already have our number. Thank you. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:31 | |
I'm sorry, we've just, like, spoken a million times now. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
That's actually his voice on the answering machine. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
Sims is so hands-on | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
that he won't even let his secretary do an outgoing message. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
Who's next? | 0:40:45 | 0:40:46 | |
Uh... Penenberg. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
Oh. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:50 | |
-PHONE RINGS -This is Adam. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
-Hi. It's Chuck Lane. -Hi, Chuck. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
I've got a phone number for you. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
A phone number for what? | 0:40:57 | 0:40:58 | |
For George Sims at Jukt Micronics. You got a pen? | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
Yeah, sure. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
OK, thanks. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
Uh, it's a phone number for Jukt Micronics. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
DIALS TELEPHONE | 0:41:18 | 0:41:21 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
-VOICEMAIL MESSAGE: -You've reached the offices of Jukt Micronics. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
Please leave a message. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
Do me a favour. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:42 | |
Call this number the same time I do, OK? | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
-Ready? -Yep. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
Go. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:53 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
-VOICEMAIL MESSAGE: -You've reached the offices of Jukt Micronics. | 0:41:57 | 0:41:59 | |
Please leave a message. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
-What did you get? -It's voicemail. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
I get a busy signal. Hang up. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
Try again, OK? | 0:42:07 | 0:42:08 | |
-Redial. -REDIAL TONES BLEEP | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
-BUSY SIGNAL -Busy signal. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
I got a voicemail. Hang up. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
A major software company with one phone line? | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
BABY WHIMPERS | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
How you doing? | 0:42:28 | 0:42:29 | |
-Good. -He's up to 103. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:33 | |
Oh, shit. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
Come here, buddy. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:37 | |
-Should I give him a bath? -Oh, that would be great. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
Yeah. PHONE RINGS | 0:42:42 | 0:42:44 | |
How you doing? | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
-Hello? -Hello, this is George Sims. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
May I speak with Charles Lane? | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
One moment, please. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:53 | |
Honey? It's George Sims. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
-Oh. -I'll take him. | 0:42:59 | 0:43:01 | |
Come on, sweetheart. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
Yes, yes, yes, yes. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:05 | |
-You're such a good boy. -Hello? | 0:43:05 | 0:43:07 | |
Yeah, this is George Sims of Jukt Micronics. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
May I speak with Charles Lane? | 0:43:09 | 0:43:11 | |
Mr Sims, thank you for calling me back. Um... | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
I don't have time for this, actually. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:16 | |
We're trying to have an office party. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:17 | |
Uh-huh. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
Look, if you were calling for a comment on your story, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
I don't have one, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
other than to say I wish you'd never run the stupid thing. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
That stuff was supposed to be off the record, | 0:43:26 | 0:43:28 | |
and your reporter knows it... that Glass guy. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:31 | |
I'm just calling to verify some information. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
I'm not verifying anything! | 0:43:33 | 0:43:34 | |
Bottom line is I'd like you guys to basically get lost. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
HANGS UP | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
Hello? | 0:43:39 | 0:43:40 | |
-Hey! -David. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
-Oh, I'm sorry, Steve. -Shit! | 0:43:45 | 0:43:48 | |
I didn't mean to startle you, I just thought you'd like a cup of coffee. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:51 | |
-What are you doing here? -Working late. Working on my article. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
So I don't get shredded again. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
-Thank you. -You're welcome. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
I always forget to ask you - how are your studies coming? | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
They're fine. I'm... I'm just buried. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
You're buried. Right. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
OK. I should probably let you get back to it. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
Is there anything else you need? | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
No. Um...goodnight, David. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
'Night. Thanks, Steve. | 0:44:13 | 0:44:14 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:44:20 | 0:44:22 | |
I got it. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
-Hello? -Chuck? It's Steve. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
Hi, Steve. | 0:44:29 | 0:44:31 | |
Hey. Sorry to be calling so late. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
I, um... | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
..I was just wondering, did you get a call from the Jukt guy? | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
-Uh, George Sims? -I did, yeah. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
Yeah... I was just sitting here | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
and I realised that I'd given him your home number | 0:44:41 | 0:44:43 | |
without asking you first, and, um, I wanted to apologise. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:47 | |
That's fine. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
Sort of a prick, didn't you think? | 0:44:49 | 0:44:51 | |
I couldn't really tell, because he hung up so fast. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
Are you at home, Steve? | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
-No. Why? -I left a message on your machine. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
The Forbes guys wanna talk to us again. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
There's a conference call at 9am. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
Sure. Sounds like a party. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
Yep. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
-OK. 'Night, Chuck. -See you in the morning. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
PHONE BEEPS | 0:45:14 | 0:45:15 | |
SIGHS | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
That's weird. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
Morning. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
Hey. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:01 | |
Want a laugh? | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
Sure. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:06 | |
-The website for Jukt Micronics. -Oh, good. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:09 | |
Yeah, you might not think so when you see what's on it. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
I don't think Mr Sims liked that piece that much. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
Yeah, and I found this too on my fridge for some reason. | 0:46:24 | 0:46:28 | |
Ian Restil's agent - Joe Hiert. | 0:46:28 | 0:46:31 | |
I'd like to pause for a moment. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
You can't really go into the world of journalism | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
without first understanding how a piece gets edited | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
at a place like TNR. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
This is the system that Michael Kelly | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
brought with him from the 'New Yorker' - | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
a three-day torture test. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
If your article's good, the process will only make it better. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
If your article's shaky, you're in for a long week. | 0:46:57 | 0:47:01 | |
A story comes in and it goes to a senior editor. | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
He or she edits it on computer | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
then calls in the writer, who makes revisions. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
Then the piece goes to a second editor | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
and the writer revises it again. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:11 | |
Then it goes through a fact check, where every fact in the piece - | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
every date, every title, every place or assertion - | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
is checked and verified. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
Then the piece goes to a copy editor where it is scrutinised once again. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
Then it goes to lawyers, who apply their own burdens of proof. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
Marty looks at it too. | 0:47:25 | 0:47:27 | |
He's very concerned with any kind of comment the magazine is making. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
Then production takes it and lays it out in column inches and type. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
Then it goes back on paper, then back to the writer, | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
back to the copy editor, | 0:47:35 | 0:47:36 | |
back to editor number one and editor number two, | 0:47:36 | 0:47:38 | |
back to the fact checker, back to the writer | 0:47:38 | 0:47:40 | |
and back to production again. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
Throughout, those lawyers are reading and rereading, | 0:47:42 | 0:47:45 | |
looking for red flags - anything that feels uncorroborated. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:47 | |
Once they're satisfied, the pages are reprinted and it all happens again. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:52 | |
Every editor, the fact checkers - they all go through it one last time. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
Now, most of you will start out as interns somewhere | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
and interns do a lot of fact checking. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
So pay close attention. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
There is a hole in the fact-checking system. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:08 | |
A big one. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:10 | |
The facts in most pieces | 0:48:12 | 0:48:13 | |
can be checked against some type of source material. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
If an article's on, say, ethanol subsidies, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
you could check for discrepancies against the Congressional Record, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
trade publications, LexisNexis, footage from C-SPAN. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
But on other pieces... | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
..the only source material available | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
are the notes provided by the reporter himself. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:34 | |
Steve. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:38 | |
This doesn't look like a real business card to me. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:41 | |
Yeah, I know. That's the kind of clown this guy is. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
He won't even pay to have real cards made. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:47 | |
All right. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
-My office at 9:00, OK? -Yeah. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:48:56 | 0:48:58 | |
Good morning. | 0:48:58 | 0:49:00 | |
A few other people we can't seem to locate - | 0:49:01 | 0:49:03 | |
Julie Farthwork, Frank Juliet and Ian Restil's agent, Joe Hiert. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:09 | |
We called the numbers you gave us, got voicemails for all three, | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
and the emails were sent back - no address or account closed. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:16 | |
Really? Cos I've emailed them about a million times each. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:19 | |
Hiert's online all day long. | 0:49:19 | 0:49:20 | |
Did you ever call these people and get them directly? | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
No, I always left messages and spoke to them when they called me back. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
And the references in the article to Nevada law-enforcement officials - | 0:49:26 | 0:49:30 | |
was Jim Ghort the only one you spoke to? | 0:49:30 | 0:49:32 | |
-Yes. -Do you have a phone number for him? | 0:49:32 | 0:49:34 | |
Yeah, definitely. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:35 | |
Wait, what was your basis for writing | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
that Jukt was a big-time software company? | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
I didn't. That was added by the copy desk. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
And was the hackers conference | 0:49:43 | 0:49:44 | |
where you first met the Jukt executives? | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
No, that part of the article is misleading. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
I...I was never in the Restils' home at all. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
You weren't in Restil's home with the Jukt executive? | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
No, I didn't mean to imply that I had been. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
Sorry about that. Did the fax come through OK? | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
Yes, it did. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:05 | |
I think the address must've gotten garbled. We can't find the site. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
-OK, you want to read it back to me? -Sure. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
You gave us members.aol.juktn.html. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
-Wait, was that an 'M'? -I'm sorry? | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
After Jukt, was that an 'M', as in Micronics? | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
No, it was an 'N'... as in not working. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
Try 'M'. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:27 | |
OK. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:28 | |
Sorry about that. I was just rushing. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
Of course. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
But I do find myself wondering, Stephen, | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
why would a major software company | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
put their website where only AOL members can access it | 0:50:37 | 0:50:39 | |
as opposed to the entire Web? | 0:50:39 | 0:50:41 | |
I have no idea. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:42 | |
I don't have a website, so I don't really know that much about them. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
I would trust you guys to know better than me. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
OK, looks like...we have the Jukt website up now. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:54 | |
I have to say, Stephen, | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
this looks very suspicious to me. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
How so? | 0:51:09 | 0:51:10 | |
Quite frankly, it doesn't look like a real website. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
It looks like a site that was created to fool someone. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
I don't know much about computers. Could somebody do that? | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
-Of course. -Very easily. | 0:51:20 | 0:51:22 | |
So easily, in fact, it's incredible. | 0:51:22 | 0:51:24 | |
Hey, do you guys still want that number for Jim Ghort, | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
cos I just found it in my notes. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
Yeah, sure. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:30 | |
All right, 605-84... | 0:51:30 | 0:51:32 | |
-Oh, wait. -Sorry? | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
Uh...605 - that's not Nevada. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
Oh. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:43 | |
I guess I got him mixed up with another source. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
Uh... FLICKS THROUGH PAGES | 0:51:52 | 0:51:55 | |
Sorry about that one. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:03 | |
Oh, you know what it was? | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
Jim Ghort was actually the guy | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
who told me about the law-enforcement officials. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:08 | |
Um...I don't know what I was thinking. | 0:52:08 | 0:52:12 | |
Um...I'm gonna have to get you... | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
Steve. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
Give him the number. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:17 | |
This guy's toast. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
All right, Stephen. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
In light of all this, how confident are you with this story of yours? | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
-Are we off the record? -If you like. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
Well... | 0:52:38 | 0:52:39 | |
..off the record... | 0:52:40 | 0:52:42 | |
..some of the things that you've brought up... | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
..the website, the idea that I was always | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
speaking to these people through voicemail... | 0:52:50 | 0:52:52 | |
..that is, that they were always calling me... | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
..it didn't seem strange before, | 0:52:58 | 0:52:59 | |
but clearly there are some problems with the story - | 0:52:59 | 0:53:01 | |
you've pointed them out. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
One portion of it was structured in a way that... | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
..I just, well... in light of all this... | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
..I just...I'm increasingly beginning to believe that I've been duped. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:22 | |
And so we hang up after he's basically | 0:53:30 | 0:53:32 | |
let these guys interrogate me for an hour, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:34 | |
and I go, "Chuck, what happened? I mean, why didn't you back me up?" | 0:53:34 | 0:53:39 | |
He goes, "I'm sorry, Steve, | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
"I gotta protect the magazine. I mean, I'm the editor." | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
-Typical. -He's being such an asshole. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
So I'm dead, pretty much. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:53:48 | 0:53:50 | |
Yes, this is Kambiz. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
Can we have a talk here? Just editor to editor? | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
Sure. Go ahead. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
Completely off the record and really almost human being to human being? | 0:53:59 | 0:54:03 | |
Of course. | 0:54:03 | 0:54:04 | |
You guys have discovered something that a troubled kid has done, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
but I still don't know how you plan to play it. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:11 | |
Chuck, we're not in the business of gotcha journalism here. | 0:54:11 | 0:54:13 | |
I have no interest in embarrassing you or the 'New Republic'. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
I'm not worried about me or the magazine - that's fair game. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
But there's a kid here who basically just plainly screwed up, big time. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:24 | |
His reporting was sloppy, we know that, | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
but we're trying to handle it internally at this point, | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
just as you would. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
Listen, we're going to run something... | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
..along the lines of a trick was pulled | 0:54:32 | 0:54:36 | |
and some very clever hackers managed to create an illusion. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:38 | |
I can't tell you what to print or not to print. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
You guys are journalists. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:42 | |
But he could be very hurt by what you guys publish. His career. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
Chuck, I understand. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
I do. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:49 | |
I would hope if I made the mistakes he made, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
people would be generous with me. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
But...this concerns the very field we cover. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:59 | |
We have to run it. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
And when we do, we're gonna need a comment from you. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:04 | |
So given everything that's happened, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:08 | |
how strongly are you gonna stand behind this story? | 0:55:08 | 0:55:11 | |
I'm looking into it. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:18 | |
It's really not that big a deal. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
You got fooled by a source. It happens. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
We'll print a retraction and that will be that. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
Steve, it's not like it's gonna hurt your career. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
Of course, if you weren't so distracted by your classes, | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
maybe this never would have happened. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:31 | |
Yeah, I know. I've really gotta quit. You were right. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
Can I speak to you for a minute, Steve? | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
-What about? -Let's do it in private. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
We need to take a drive to Bethesda. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
-What for? -I want to meet Joe Hiert. | 0:55:57 | 0:55:59 | |
I already told you. Nobody knows where he is. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
Well, maybe if we go to the hotel | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
where he met with the Restils and Sims, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:05 | |
someone will remember him or have some clue of how to find him. | 0:56:05 | 0:56:08 | |
Chuck, there were hundreds of people there, OK? | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
These Forbes guys want to come down on you. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
They're highly suspicious about some of the material in that article. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
-You know that. -Yeah. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:16 | |
But they're gonna go online with their piece tomorrow. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
-Oh. -OK? | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
Yeah. Yeah. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:23 | |
Now... Steve? | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
-Steve. -Yeah. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
If we can find Hiert, then I can back 'em off for a day or two, OK? | 0:56:29 | 0:56:33 | |
-OK, I'll get my notes. -OK. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:35 | |
-Let's go. -All right. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
We were at this table. | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
Restil sat here, his mother was on his left. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:01 | |
Hiert... Sorry, his mother was on his right. | 0:57:01 | 0:57:04 | |
Hiert sat there, but then Restil wanted him closer | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
so he slid his chair over. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
Sims sat here, he had a lawyer next to him. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:10 | |
I forget the guy's name. It's in my notes. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:12 | |
Somebody was smoking at this table, | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
so then Restil's mother insisted that we move to one farther away. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:18 | |
Over there. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:19 | |
The hacker conference was near here, right? | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
SHOUTING | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
Yeah, the building next door. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
I don't remember from the article. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
How many people did you say were at this thing? | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
Uh...it looked like 100. Might have been 200. It's in my notes. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
200 people? | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
Here? | 0:57:41 | 0:57:43 | |
Yeah, they moved in and out. I mean, most of them were kids. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:47 | |
That doesn't seem credible to me. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:05 | |
All I know is I was here. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:07 | |
All of us were right here. | 0:58:07 | 0:58:09 | |
Excuse me, sir. Can I help you? | 0:58:09 | 0:58:11 | |
Yes, you can. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:12 | |
We're looking into a conference | 0:58:17 | 0:58:19 | |
that was held here a couple Sundays ago. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:21 | |
Computer hackers. Do you remember anything like that? | 0:58:21 | 0:58:24 | |
Are you sure you're in the right building, sir? | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
-Yes, we're sure. -Why is that? | 0:58:26 | 0:58:27 | |
The building's closed on Sunday. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
All I know is I was here. | 0:58:34 | 0:58:35 | |
The conference was right here. | 0:58:35 | 0:58:38 | |
That's why the Restils only stayed a few minutes, OK? | 0:58:41 | 0:58:43 | |
Because it was such a dumb place to squeeze into. | 0:58:43 | 0:58:46 | |
So they went to a restaurant for dinner | 0:58:46 | 0:58:49 | |
with some of Ian's hacker friends. | 0:58:49 | 0:58:50 | |
Thank you. | 0:58:52 | 0:58:54 | |
-How many? -Huh? | 0:58:57 | 0:58:58 | |
People at the dinner - how many? | 0:59:00 | 0:59:02 | |
Um...about 10, I think. Including me. | 0:59:02 | 0:59:06 | |
He didn't even put on a jacket. | 0:59:06 | 0:59:08 | |
-Hiert was there too? -Yeah. | 0:59:08 | 0:59:10 | |
Is it near here? | 0:59:10 | 0:59:12 | |
-Yeah, it's across the street. -Good, let's cross the street. | 0:59:12 | 0:59:14 | |
You know, I really don't like the way you're treating me, Chuck. | 0:59:16 | 0:59:18 | |
It's like you won't even talk to me. | 0:59:18 | 0:59:20 | |
-This is the place? -Yes. | 0:59:20 | 0:59:22 | |
I didn't do anything wrong, OK? | 0:59:22 | 0:59:24 | |
I didn't do anything wrong. You saw my notes. Everything was in there. | 0:59:24 | 0:59:28 | |
I got tricked. I got fooled. I'm sorry. What are you being so mad for? | 0:59:29 | 0:59:34 | |
-It was ten people? -Yes. | 0:59:34 | 0:59:37 | |
-For dinner? -Yes. | 0:59:37 | 0:59:39 | |
They're closed at 3:00 on Sundays. | 0:59:39 | 0:59:42 | |
Yeah, I know. | 0:59:42 | 0:59:44 | |
I know. They almost didn't let us in, OK? | 0:59:44 | 0:59:46 | |
But it was a couple of minutes before 3:00 | 0:59:46 | 0:59:48 | |
and Ian looked like he was about ready to cry, and so they said OK. | 0:59:48 | 0:59:51 | |
For dinner? | 0:59:51 | 0:59:53 | |
Go in and ask them yourself, Chuck. | 0:59:53 | 0:59:54 | |
OK, go in and see if they would serve a party that came in at 2:58 | 0:59:54 | 0:59:58 | |
and the answer would be yes, because that's when we got here. | 0:59:58 | 1:00:00 | |
The Forbes guys are gonna have all this too | 1:00:00 | 1:00:02 | |
and they're gonna dig through the records at that office building. | 1:00:02 | 1:00:04 | |
OK, I'm sure they have surveillance cameras | 1:00:04 | 1:00:06 | |
and they're gonna check them! | 1:00:06 | 1:00:07 | |
I didn't do anything wrong, Chuck! | 1:00:07 | 1:00:09 | |
I really wish you'd stop saying that! | 1:00:09 | 1:00:11 | |
Steve... | 1:00:16 | 1:00:18 | |
..come on, anyone can make a mistake. | 1:00:21 | 1:00:23 | |
You know, this is not right, Chuck. | 1:00:23 | 1:00:25 | |
OK, I feel really attacked. | 1:00:25 | 1:00:27 | |
And you're my editor - you're supposed to support me | 1:00:27 | 1:00:30 | |
and you're taking their word against mine? | 1:00:30 | 1:00:32 | |
You're supposed to support me! | 1:00:34 | 1:00:35 | |
-MAN ON RADIO: -Criticism of the President's programme has been... | 1:00:43 | 1:00:45 | |
Leave it off. | 1:00:45 | 1:00:47 | |
I'm sorry I yelled at you back there. | 1:00:54 | 1:00:56 | |
Chuck? | 1:00:59 | 1:01:00 | |
-Steve! -HORN BLARES | 1:01:10 | 1:01:11 | |
-Pull the goddamn car over. -Yeah. | 1:01:15 | 1:01:18 | |
There's been so much pressure. | 1:01:33 | 1:01:34 | |
I... Chuck, I didn't mean to get anybody in trouble. | 1:01:36 | 1:01:38 | |
OK. OK. | 1:01:38 | 1:01:41 | |
You weren't at the conference. | 1:01:43 | 1:01:45 | |
No. | 1:01:47 | 1:01:48 | |
You know, I had a description of it from so many sources. | 1:01:50 | 1:01:54 | |
I thought I had it solid. | 1:01:54 | 1:01:56 | |
OK, and I wanted the piece to have an eyewitness feel to it, for colour, | 1:01:56 | 1:02:00 | |
so I said I'd been there myself. | 1:02:00 | 1:02:03 | |
And everything we just told the Forbes guys? | 1:02:03 | 1:02:06 | |
Yeah, I am so sorry, Chuck. I just panicked. | 1:02:06 | 1:02:11 | |
If you want me to say that I made it up, I will. | 1:02:15 | 1:02:18 | |
If that'll help you, I'll say it. | 1:02:18 | 1:02:20 | |
I just want you to tell me the truth, Steve. | 1:02:22 | 1:02:25 | |
Can you do that? | 1:02:25 | 1:02:29 | |
All I'm suggesting is that there might be | 1:02:29 | 1:02:31 | |
facets of this that you're not considering. | 1:02:31 | 1:02:33 | |
-Why are you defending him? -Nobody's defending him, Chuck. | 1:02:33 | 1:02:36 | |
-Of course you're defending him. -He's a kid. | 1:02:36 | 1:02:39 | |
He doctored his notes, Lew. Just consider that for a second. | 1:02:39 | 1:02:42 | |
You know? | 1:02:42 | 1:02:43 | |
He sat down and he handwrote a bunch of phoney quotes | 1:02:43 | 1:02:46 | |
and he handed them in as source material for the fact check. | 1:02:46 | 1:02:49 | |
Doesn't that offend you? | 1:02:49 | 1:02:51 | |
Of course it does. | 1:02:51 | 1:02:52 | |
Well, he also lied to his editor. That's supposed to offend you too. | 1:02:52 | 1:02:55 | |
He's a confused, distraught kid, obviously, Chuck, | 1:02:55 | 1:02:58 | |
so suspend him for a couple of months, but let's not bury him. | 1:02:58 | 1:03:01 | |
Suspend him... | 1:03:01 | 1:03:03 | |
There are... also political considerations | 1:03:03 | 1:03:06 | |
to take into account here. | 1:03:06 | 1:03:08 | |
The rest of the staff - the way they feel about him. | 1:03:08 | 1:03:11 | |
I... I already know all that. | 1:03:11 | 1:03:13 | |
What I'm saying is if you fire him, some of these people will leave. | 1:03:13 | 1:03:19 | |
I don't know if we'd still have a magazine at the end of the day. | 1:03:19 | 1:03:22 | |
-Hey, Caitlin. -Not now, David. | 1:03:25 | 1:03:27 | |
How's he doing? | 1:03:31 | 1:03:33 | |
Well, he's a wreck, of course. | 1:03:33 | 1:03:34 | |
I want him in here, Caitlin. | 1:03:34 | 1:03:37 | |
He's too scared to come in here. He thinks you want to destroy him. | 1:03:37 | 1:03:40 | |
He knows what he did was horrible. He knows how badly he messed up. | 1:03:40 | 1:03:44 | |
The part he's most upset about is lying to you, Chuck. | 1:03:44 | 1:03:47 | |
Because he knows you took it as a sign of disrespect | 1:03:47 | 1:03:49 | |
instead of as a panic move, which is what it was. | 1:03:49 | 1:03:51 | |
Think about the workload he's been carrying. | 1:03:51 | 1:03:54 | |
All this and classes. | 1:03:54 | 1:03:55 | |
He hasn't slept more than two hours in nine months. | 1:03:55 | 1:03:58 | |
So he got a little sloppy and he lied to cover his tracks. | 1:03:58 | 1:04:00 | |
He's sick about it. | 1:04:00 | 1:04:02 | |
Caitlin, the building he described - it doesn't even exist. | 1:04:02 | 1:04:07 | |
He just made it up. | 1:04:07 | 1:04:09 | |
So? | 1:04:11 | 1:04:12 | |
Obviously he needs some help. | 1:04:19 | 1:04:22 | |
-He needs help. -Just get him in here. | 1:04:24 | 1:04:26 | |
You can't fire him. | 1:04:26 | 1:04:27 | |
I don't think he'll survive. | 1:04:29 | 1:04:30 | |
You don't understand. We're all he has. | 1:04:30 | 1:04:32 | |
You can't fire him, Chuck. | 1:04:34 | 1:04:36 | |
Thanks, Lew. | 1:04:38 | 1:04:40 | |
Can you guys excuse us for a minute? | 1:05:03 | 1:05:05 | |
So all the men water down stock, and you know, within... | 1:05:48 | 1:05:53 | |
Steve! | 1:05:53 | 1:05:55 | |
What are you doing here? | 1:06:01 | 1:06:03 | |
I'm so dead. | 1:06:04 | 1:06:05 | |
I mean, I'm over. | 1:06:05 | 1:06:08 | |
Nobody's ever gonna hire me again, are they? | 1:06:09 | 1:06:12 | |
I was so sloppy trusting my sources like that, | 1:06:14 | 1:06:17 | |
and then lying about it. | 1:06:17 | 1:06:19 | |
And to Chuck, of all people. | 1:06:19 | 1:06:21 | |
I mean, the one guy who's hated me all along. | 1:06:21 | 1:06:25 | |
I'm sure that none of this is personal. | 1:06:26 | 1:06:28 | |
No? | 1:06:28 | 1:06:30 | |
Chuck keeps a list...in his head. | 1:06:30 | 1:06:33 | |
Everybody who's a Michael Kelly person. | 1:06:33 | 1:06:36 | |
A couple of times I said some things I shouldn't have said about you. | 1:06:36 | 1:06:42 | |
So now I'm on it. | 1:06:42 | 1:06:43 | |
That's why he's so set on killing me now. | 1:06:43 | 1:06:47 | |
Well, I have to tell you, Steve, he's within his rights. | 1:06:47 | 1:06:50 | |
The things you did were fireable offences. | 1:06:50 | 1:06:53 | |
I know. I...I'm not saying that they weren't. | 1:06:53 | 1:06:56 | |
I did some terrible, terrible things. | 1:06:58 | 1:07:01 | |
But believe me, Michael, Chuck doesn't care about any of it. | 1:07:04 | 1:07:08 | |
It's my loyalty to you that he's punishing me for. | 1:07:08 | 1:07:12 | |
I'm such an idiot. | 1:07:12 | 1:07:14 | |
Now who's gonna hire me? | 1:07:15 | 1:07:17 | |
Steve, I have to ask you something. | 1:07:19 | 1:07:21 | |
Um... | 1:07:21 | 1:07:22 | |
..did you ever cook a piece when I was your boss? | 1:07:25 | 1:07:27 | |
Did you ever lie to me? | 1:07:30 | 1:07:31 | |
The Young Conservatives piece - the mini-bottles. | 1:07:33 | 1:07:36 | |
Was that true? | 1:07:37 | 1:07:39 | |
PHONE RINGS | 1:07:51 | 1:07:53 | |
Hello? | 1:07:57 | 1:07:58 | |
Chuck, it's David Bach. | 1:07:58 | 1:07:59 | |
Look, I'm really sorry to bother you at night but it seemed important. | 1:07:59 | 1:08:02 | |
It's fine. Is there a problem? | 1:08:02 | 1:08:04 | |
Well, I don't know. | 1:08:04 | 1:08:07 | |
I just off the phone with Stephen. | 1:08:07 | 1:08:08 | |
He sounds horrible. | 1:08:08 | 1:08:10 | |
Did you suspend him, Chuck? | 1:08:10 | 1:08:12 | |
David, what is the problem? | 1:08:12 | 1:08:16 | |
He asked me if I would drive him out to Dulles later tonight. | 1:08:16 | 1:08:20 | |
He said he wasn't sure he'd be safe driving by himself. | 1:08:20 | 1:08:22 | |
I just... I thought I should draw your attention to that. | 1:08:22 | 1:08:25 | |
Did he say where he was going? | 1:08:25 | 1:08:27 | |
Yeah, he said he'd be staying with his family for a while. | 1:08:27 | 1:08:30 | |
That can only be one of two places. | 1:08:30 | 1:08:31 | |
His parents live in Highland Park, right? | 1:08:31 | 1:08:33 | |
Yeah. Or his brother out in Palo Alto. | 1:08:33 | 1:08:37 | |
I'm sorry? | 1:08:37 | 1:08:38 | |
His brother. At Stanford. | 1:08:38 | 1:08:40 | |
Chuck? | 1:08:41 | 1:08:42 | |
You had your brother pose as George Sims. | 1:09:00 | 1:09:02 | |
What? | 1:09:02 | 1:09:03 | |
The phony recording from Jukt Micronics. | 1:09:03 | 1:09:06 | |
It's a Palo Alto number. | 1:09:06 | 1:09:08 | |
And your brother's a student at Stanford. | 1:09:08 | 1:09:10 | |
-You had him pose as Sims. -No, Sims is a real guy. | 1:09:10 | 1:09:12 | |
-Steve, Steve... -I've talked to him a million times. | 1:09:12 | 1:09:14 | |
My brother and I aren't even speaking right now. | 1:09:14 | 1:09:16 | |
Stop it. You faked Sims. | 1:09:16 | 1:09:18 | |
You faked the website. You faked all those voicemails. | 1:09:18 | 1:09:21 | |
You've got this totally backward. | 1:09:21 | 1:09:22 | |
Restil, Hiert, Ghort - it's all crap. | 1:09:22 | 1:09:24 | |
I can trace it if you make me. I'll find it all billed to you. | 1:09:24 | 1:09:27 | |
I don't know what you're talking about, OK? | 1:09:27 | 1:09:28 | |
-Those are all real people. -They are? | 1:09:28 | 1:09:30 | |
Yeah. | 1:09:30 | 1:09:32 | |
Look at me... | 1:09:33 | 1:09:35 | |
..and say that again. | 1:09:37 | 1:09:38 | |
Those are all real people. | 1:09:38 | 1:09:41 | |
OK. | 1:09:47 | 1:09:48 | |
I want you out of here. | 1:09:50 | 1:09:52 | |
What? | 1:09:52 | 1:09:53 | |
I want you out of here. And you can't take anything with you. | 1:09:53 | 1:09:57 | |
There's some files, OK? I have to put them on a disk. | 1:09:58 | 1:10:01 | |
-No. -No, they're mine. Personal stuff. | 1:10:01 | 1:10:03 | |
I don't care. | 1:10:03 | 1:10:05 | |
I know you don't. | 1:10:08 | 1:10:10 | |
-Can I at least shut down my computer? -Don't touch it! | 1:10:10 | 1:10:12 | |
I'm in the middle of a file, Chuck. | 1:10:12 | 1:10:14 | |
-Back away from the desk. -Goddammit. | 1:10:14 | 1:10:16 | |
Leave it, all right? Or I'll call security. | 1:10:16 | 1:10:18 | |
-Jesus Christ. -OK? | 1:10:18 | 1:10:19 | |
Can I take my Rolodex? | 1:10:24 | 1:10:26 | |
Steve... | 1:10:28 | 1:10:29 | |
Can I take my law books? | 1:10:31 | 1:10:33 | |
Sure. | 1:10:33 | 1:10:35 | |
But I'm going to need to have your security key. | 1:10:39 | 1:10:41 | |
I'm not a criminal, Chuck. | 1:10:44 | 1:10:46 | |
OK? | 1:10:49 | 1:10:51 | |
I'm not a criminal. | 1:10:53 | 1:10:55 | |
Oh, I heard you. | 1:10:55 | 1:10:56 | |
Come on. | 1:10:56 | 1:10:58 | |
Chuck? | 1:11:19 | 1:11:21 | |
I said I was sorry. | 1:11:32 | 1:11:33 | |
I know. | 1:11:33 | 1:11:35 | |
But you have to go. | 1:11:36 | 1:11:38 | |
STEPHEN: "Bond traders, as a rule, Do not have much time to loaf around. | 1:12:38 | 1:12:41 | |
"And the Wall Street investment house RVL | 1:12:41 | 1:12:44 | |
"takes its work ethic to a particularly..." | 1:12:44 | 1:12:46 | |
"One trader is now testing a hand-held urinal | 1:12:46 | 1:12:49 | |
"normally used by cops on stake-outs..." | 1:12:49 | 1:12:51 | |
"A few days after Mike Tyson was disqualified | 1:12:53 | 1:12:56 | |
"for biting Evander Holyfield, | 1:12:56 | 1:12:57 | |
"I offered half a dozen cop shows my services as a biting expert. | 1:12:57 | 1:13:00 | |
"I'm someone who knows a..." | 1:13:00 | 1:13:02 | |
"The minibar is open | 1:13:02 | 1:13:04 | |
"and empty little bottles of booze are scattered on the carpet." | 1:13:04 | 1:13:06 | |
"It was the monthly gathering | 1:13:07 | 1:13:09 | |
"of the commission to restore the presidency to greatness. | 1:13:09 | 1:13:11 | |
"Patriotic prophets will have a hard time | 1:13:12 | 1:13:14 | |
"holding back this merchandising bonanza as..." | 1:13:14 | 1:13:16 | |
EXCERPTS FROM SEVERAL ARTICLES READ SIMULTANEOUSLY | 1:13:16 | 1:13:19 | |
SILENCE | 1:13:31 | 1:13:34 | |
STEPHEN: Thanks, Gerald. Sorry for the interruption. | 1:13:34 | 1:13:37 | |
-No problem, Steve. -DOOR CLOSES | 1:13:37 | 1:13:40 | |
Chuck? | 1:13:53 | 1:13:54 | |
Um, the, um...the thing with George Sims... | 1:13:57 | 1:14:03 | |
..that was... | 1:14:04 | 1:14:06 | |
The voice that you heard on the telephone... | 1:14:06 | 1:14:08 | |
..that was my brother. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:11 | |
I'm sorry. | 1:14:11 | 1:14:12 | |
There really is a George Sims. | 1:14:17 | 1:14:18 | |
I've spoken to him a million times. | 1:14:18 | 1:14:21 | |
He just stopped talking to me - | 1:14:21 | 1:14:23 | |
you know, because of the article. | 1:14:23 | 1:14:26 | |
He was so mad about it. | 1:14:26 | 1:14:28 | |
I didn't know what to do. | 1:14:28 | 1:14:30 | |
And the guys from Forbes were putting so much pressure on me, you know? | 1:14:30 | 1:14:33 | |
And you were so mad. | 1:14:33 | 1:14:35 | |
I just thought that if I could get everybody off my back, | 1:14:35 | 1:14:38 | |
OK, for just a day... | 1:14:38 | 1:14:39 | |
Just a day would give me enough time to go and find him. | 1:14:39 | 1:14:43 | |
You can understand that, can't you? | 1:14:43 | 1:14:44 | |
You're fired, Steve. | 1:14:46 | 1:14:48 | |
What? | 1:14:49 | 1:14:51 | |
You're fired. | 1:14:51 | 1:14:52 | |
You've lost your job. | 1:14:52 | 1:14:54 | |
But you can't. I... | 1:14:58 | 1:15:00 | |
Chuck, will you please take me to the airport? | 1:15:25 | 1:15:30 | |
Jesus. | 1:15:32 | 1:15:33 | |
Please, OK? | 1:15:33 | 1:15:34 | |
You don't have to talk to me if you don't want to. | 1:15:36 | 1:15:39 | |
That's fine. | 1:15:39 | 1:15:40 | |
But I can't be by myself right now, OK? | 1:15:42 | 1:15:46 | |
I'm, er... I'm afraid of what I'm gonna do. | 1:15:46 | 1:15:51 | |
You know? | 1:15:51 | 1:15:53 | |
I can't get there by myself. | 1:15:53 | 1:15:55 | |
I'm not going anywhere with you. | 1:15:58 | 1:16:00 | |
Now, if you feel like you're a danger to yourself, | 1:16:00 | 1:16:02 | |
you can sit down for a few minutes until you feel calm enough to go, | 1:16:02 | 1:16:05 | |
but I am not going anywhere with you. | 1:16:05 | 1:16:07 | |
But I'm afraid that I'm gonna do something, OK? | 1:16:07 | 1:16:13 | |
Did... Did you hear what I said? | 1:16:15 | 1:16:17 | |
Yeah. | 1:16:17 | 1:16:19 | |
It's a hell of a story. | 1:16:21 | 1:16:22 | |
Chuck, please? | 1:16:26 | 1:16:28 | |
Stop pitching, Steve. | 1:16:29 | 1:16:31 | |
It's over. | 1:16:31 | 1:16:33 | |
OK. | 1:16:38 | 1:16:40 | |
-MRS DUKE: -'Spring Breakdown'. | 1:17:05 | 1:17:07 | |
'The Jungle'. 'A Fine Mess'. | 1:17:07 | 1:17:10 | |
'After the Fall'. | 1:17:10 | 1:17:12 | |
'Peddling Poppy'. | 1:17:12 | 1:17:15 | |
'Cheap Suits'. 'Kicked Out'. | 1:17:15 | 1:17:19 | |
'No Free Launch'. 'Ratted Out'. | 1:17:19 | 1:17:22 | |
'State of Nature'. 'Clutch Situation'. | 1:17:22 | 1:17:25 | |
'All Wet'. 'Plotters'. | 1:17:25 | 1:17:27 | |
'Praised be Greenspan'. | 1:17:27 | 1:17:29 | |
'Monica Sells'. 'Hack Heaven'. | 1:17:29 | 1:17:33 | |
What the hell did you do to Steve? | 1:17:42 | 1:17:43 | |
He just called me from his car, hysterical. | 1:17:43 | 1:17:45 | |
I asked him what was wrong and he said, "Ask Chuck." | 1:17:45 | 1:17:47 | |
I fired him, OK! | 1:17:47 | 1:17:48 | |
He's not suspended. Fired. | 1:17:54 | 1:17:56 | |
This wasn't an isolated incident, Caitlin. | 1:17:58 | 1:18:00 | |
He cooked a dozen of them, maybe more. | 1:18:00 | 1:18:01 | |
We have to go through them, you and I - | 1:18:01 | 1:18:03 | |
we have to go through all of them now. | 1:18:03 | 1:18:05 | |
No. The only one was 'Hack Heaven'. He told me that himself. | 1:18:05 | 1:18:08 | |
If he were a stranger to you, a guy you were doing a piece about, | 1:18:08 | 1:18:11 | |
pretend that guy told you he'd only done it once. | 1:18:11 | 1:18:13 | |
Would you take his word for it? | 1:18:13 | 1:18:14 | |
Of course not. You'd dig and you'd bury him. | 1:18:14 | 1:18:17 | |
And you'd be offended if anybody told you not to. | 1:18:17 | 1:18:19 | |
Every one of those pieces was fact-checked. | 1:18:19 | 1:18:21 | |
-They were all... -So was 'Hack Heaven'! | 1:18:21 | 1:18:23 | |
You're a good reporter. | 1:18:27 | 1:18:29 | |
You've always been such a smart, thorough reporter. | 1:18:29 | 1:18:31 | |
Why can't you be one now? | 1:18:31 | 1:18:33 | |
Because what you're telling me is impossible, Chuck. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:36 | |
Go upstairs. | 1:18:36 | 1:18:38 | |
-Read them again. -This is bullshit! | 1:18:39 | 1:18:41 | |
Make sure you go all the way back | 1:18:41 | 1:18:43 | |
because half of them ran when Mike was still here. | 1:18:43 | 1:18:45 | |
That's what this is. Of course. | 1:18:47 | 1:18:50 | |
I mean, what are you gonna do, Chuck? | 1:18:50 | 1:18:51 | |
Pick us off one by one - everybody that was loyal to Mike - | 1:18:51 | 1:18:54 | |
till you have a staff that belongs to you? | 1:18:54 | 1:18:56 | |
Is that the kind of magazine you want to run? | 1:18:56 | 1:18:58 | |
Caitlin, when this thing blows, | 1:18:58 | 1:19:00 | |
there isn't going to be a magazine anymore. | 1:19:00 | 1:19:01 | |
If you want to make this about Mike, | 1:19:01 | 1:19:03 | |
make it about Mike - I don't give a shit. | 1:19:03 | 1:19:05 | |
You can resent me, you can hate me, but come Monday morning, | 1:19:05 | 1:19:07 | |
we're all going to have to answer for what we let happen here. | 1:19:07 | 1:19:10 | |
We're all going to have an apology to make. | 1:19:10 | 1:19:12 | |
Jesus Christ, don't you have any idea how much shit we're about to eat? | 1:19:12 | 1:19:16 | |
Every competitor we ever took a shot at, they're gonna pounce. | 1:19:16 | 1:19:18 | |
And they should. Because we blew it, Caitlin. | 1:19:18 | 1:19:21 | |
He handed us fiction after fiction and we printed them all as fact... | 1:19:21 | 1:19:26 | |
..just because we found him entertaining. | 1:19:28 | 1:19:31 | |
It's indefensible. | 1:19:35 | 1:19:36 | |
Don't you know that? | 1:19:37 | 1:19:39 | |
-Is everyone in the conference room? MILLER: -Mm-hm. | 1:20:17 | 1:20:18 | |
You know what could have prevented all this, don't you? | 1:20:22 | 1:20:24 | |
No. What? | 1:20:24 | 1:20:26 | |
Pictures. | 1:20:27 | 1:20:28 | |
How could you make up characters | 1:20:30 | 1:20:32 | |
if everyone you wrote about had to be photographed? | 1:20:32 | 1:20:34 | |
You know, Stephen, if you wanted to, | 1:20:42 | 1:20:44 | |
you could do these kids a giant favour. | 1:20:44 | 1:20:47 | |
-Yeah? -Yeah. | 1:20:47 | 1:20:49 | |
You could write something boring one of these days. | 1:20:53 | 1:20:55 | |
Give them a little less to live up to. | 1:20:56 | 1:20:58 | |
I suppose I could. | 1:21:00 | 1:21:02 | |
I mean, we don't want a bunch of teenagers getting ulcers, do we? | 1:21:02 | 1:21:07 | |
Good morning. | 1:21:09 | 1:21:10 | |
That's funny... | 1:21:31 | 1:21:32 | |
..because I thought I was going to have to explain all this to you. | 1:21:37 | 1:21:42 | |
Well, what do you think of this guy? | 1:21:46 | 1:21:49 | |
Thank you. | 1:22:03 | 1:22:05 | |
Thank you. | 1:22:10 | 1:22:11 | |
Thanks. Thank you. | 1:22:20 | 1:22:22 | |
APPLAUSE FADES SLOWLY | 1:22:29 | 1:22:32 | |
-CHUCK: -Steve? | 1:22:46 | 1:22:48 | |
Stephen? | 1:22:48 | 1:22:50 | |
We've read through all the pieces now. | 1:22:53 | 1:22:56 | |
And the entire staff. | 1:22:56 | 1:22:58 | |
And we've come up with a list of those | 1:22:58 | 1:22:59 | |
whose facts and sources we couldn't verify independently. | 1:22:59 | 1:23:02 | |
I know you can't admit guilt of any kind | 1:23:02 | 1:23:06 | |
but I want you to confirm a few titles for me. | 1:23:06 | 1:23:09 | |
We're not prepared to confirm or deny anything at this... | 1:23:09 | 1:23:11 | |
What I'm going to do is this - | 1:23:11 | 1:23:13 | |
I'm going to read to you a list of suspicious titles one by one. | 1:23:13 | 1:23:17 | |
If you raise an objection to a particular title, | 1:23:18 | 1:23:21 | |
we'll fact-check it again in the hope of removing it from the list. | 1:23:21 | 1:23:25 | |
If you remain silent, | 1:23:25 | 1:23:27 | |
we'll assume that piece is fabricated, | 1:23:27 | 1:23:28 | |
either partially or entirely, | 1:23:28 | 1:23:32 | |
and it'll stay on. | 1:23:32 | 1:23:33 | |
Is that clear to everyone? | 1:23:34 | 1:23:36 | |
OK. | 1:23:39 | 1:23:40 | |
'Hazardous to Your Mental Health'. | 1:23:42 | 1:23:43 | |
That means it stays on the list of suspicious pieces - | 1:23:48 | 1:23:51 | |
fabricated pieces. | 1:23:51 | 1:23:53 | |
-LAWYER: -We understand. | 1:23:53 | 1:23:55 | |
MARKS PAPER | 1:23:57 | 1:23:59 | |
'Holy Trinity'. | 1:23:59 | 1:24:00 | |
'Probable Claus'. | 1:24:08 | 1:24:10 | |
'Don't You DARE' | 1:24:17 | 1:24:18 | |
'Spring Breakdown'. | 1:24:22 | 1:24:23 | |
'State of Nature'. | 1:24:26 | 1:24:28 | |
'Rock the Morons'. | 1:24:33 | 1:24:35 | |
'After the Fall'. | 1:24:37 | 1:24:39 | |
STEPHEN: You have to know Who you're writing for. | 1:24:39 | 1:24:41 | |
And you have to know what you're good at. | 1:24:41 | 1:24:44 | |
I record what people do. | 1:24:44 | 1:24:45 | |
And I find out what moves them, what scares them. | 1:24:45 | 1:24:48 | |
And I write that down. | 1:24:48 | 1:24:50 | |
That way they're the ones telling the story. | 1:24:50 | 1:24:52 | |
And you know what? | 1:24:52 | 1:24:54 | |
Those kind of pieces can win Pulitzers too. | 1:24:54 | 1:24:56 | |
Steve? | 1:24:58 | 1:25:00 | |
E-mail us at subtitling@bbc.co.uk | 1:26:43 | 1:26:45 |