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In South Africa in the '60s, apartheid was law. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:13 | |
The police. The police were extremely powerful, like an army. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
Peaceful protests were met with killing, torture and imprisonment. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:32 | |
Our people were denied all basic rights. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
-Manu! Manu! -Come on, boys, defence! -Manu! Manu! | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
Manu! Manu! Manu!. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
We risked our lives to advance the struggle for freedom and... | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
many of us ended up on the notorious Robben Island, | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
the Alcatraz of Africa. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
We found ourselves in a place and a time | 0:01:22 | 0:01:27 | |
when it was easy to lose one's self. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
If sport was never there on Robben Island, then really, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
it would have been a very notorious place to live. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:40 | |
It seems strange that with what we remember and what we've done, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
that we go and tell people that we've played soccer in prison. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
If you look at the way we had to fight and campaign | 0:01:48 | 0:01:51 | |
to be allowed to play soccer, it's... | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
You could equate it to the fight for freedom. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
But we did play soccer on Robben Island | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
and I think we played it well. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
We were just becoming aware of a cruel and unjust system | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
that was taking over most of our lives. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
My first knowledge of this system came from a primary school teacher. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
He came into the class and wrote the word "apart" | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
and "hate" on the board, | 0:03:19 | 0:03:21 | |
emphasising the "apart" and "hate". | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
I made explosives. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
In those days, you could get the components of explosives | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
almost anywhere. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:38 | |
Imagine today going into a shop and saying, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
"Good day, sir, can I have some ammonium nitrate | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
"and ten kilograms of toluene. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
"I want to make some TNT, you see." | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
I think we knew that we were getting into something dangerous | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
when we were getting into the struggle. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
But I don't think we knew exactly how dangerous it was going to be. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
It seemed normal to be involved in the struggle. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
So much injustice in the land. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
There was tension. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
And we were young. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
I was in Standard nine at Hofmeyer High School in Pretoria. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
We were collecting unexploded shells from a nearby range for use at a later stage. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:32 | |
In the end, they came in overnight, raided different homes, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:37 | |
arrested 250 to 300 kids. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:43 | |
Came in again, and those of us who were simply | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
trying to make sense of the chaos that were around were also taken in. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:52 | |
The struggle meant a lot to me | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
because I saw what was happening. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
I realised that our people were oppressed | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
and therefore I felt that I should involve myself into the struggle. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
Good evening, Mr Sitoto. So where do you think you're going? | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
'I was arrested by the British in Northern Rhodesia.' | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
And they drove us all the way back to Pretoria. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
And, of course, some of us came from a different political tradition. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
The main liberation organisation | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
didn't offer what we were looking for. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
We were a group of young activists, rather intellectually inclined. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
We had decided to study Mao Tse-tung's book on guerrilla war, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
Yu Chi Chan. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
And when they finally arrested us, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
the media sounded as if the whole Red Army had landed in South Africa. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
We were at the beginning stages | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
and some of us were still trying to organise to leave the country. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
And then a comrade and I were arrested | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
getting a lift with a famous person. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
-Good afternoon. -Good afternoon. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
I don't carry a pass. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
Never mind, Mr Solomon, we know who you are. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
You and Mr Bam. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
Will you come with us, please? | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
Good day, Mrs Mandela. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
Football was my passion. You could even say it was my obsession. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
I was the Terror of Atteridgeville. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
I wanted to win. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
When I played football, I played hard. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
I played every chance I got. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
Every time I got a ball or an open field, I played. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
They told me not to go to school that day. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
This girl had come to my house and told me that the police were | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
looking for me and that they were going to look for me at school. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
And I had said to her, "Let them look for me at school. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
"They know where to find me. Let them come and pick me up." | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
We were so brave. What was a couple of years in prison? | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
What was 15 years when you're not even 20 yet? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
We didn't realise. We didn't think the system could be that cruel | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
as to send schoolchildren to Robben Island. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
The island seemed to one was a very bleak place. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:02 | |
You had a feeling some are forsaken. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
The waters just seemed to deepen that impression. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
We were told, in no uncertain terms, | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
that you will be treated like somebody without a name | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
and were reminded that here, you become a number. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
You have to be an epitome of obedience to the racially-supreme master. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:26 | |
TRANSLATION FROM AFRIKAANS | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
We don't understand Afrikaans. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
That's not going to happen. It will never happen. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
So it became very clear that if we were going to survive, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:34 | |
we would have to fight the notion that we were passive. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
We had to show the authorities that we could | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
organise ourselves efficiently and with discipline. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
But it was tough, especially in the quarry. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
During winter, sitting down, breaking stones, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
exposed to the freezing Atlantic sea spray, | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
is something that is very difficult to erase from memory. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Sedick, for example, still feels cold today. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
It's an almost pathological reflex. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
It was the same routine every day. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
"Kom, kom, kom." Grab clothes and shoes and out. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
The problem was you had to grab any two shoes, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
whether they were the same feet or different sizes, whatever. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
I'm a size ten. What is this? | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Size ten. Easy, man. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
You know what? I've got two left feet here. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
Come on, man. I mean, you're the clever one. How about you organise me a right foot, eh? | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
-I think Blues has got three sevens over there. -What's wrong with Blues? | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
He's the only one I know that has three shoes for two feet. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
Hey, gents, I'm going to find a ten. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
Hey, seriously. And not a 7/10, a 10/10. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
No matter how hard they tried to crush our spirit, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
we were prepared to survive. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
We were prepared and determined to execute our struggle. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
Hey, Tony, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
this could be a ten. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
I'm sure if you asked Delport nicely, maybe he... | 0:13:44 | 0:13:47 | |
Negotiating, you know, came out of necessity. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
You had to negotiate in order to make sense of life on Robben Island. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
The biggest mistake the authorities made | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
was to put us all together in that slate quarry in prison. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
If they intended to break us in that way, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
they achieved quite the opposite | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
because different people with different ideas | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
cross-pollinated ideas and thinkings. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
And when I look back at it, people became much more stronger in their | 0:14:25 | 0:14:32 | |
convictions and persuasions than they would otherwise have been. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
I remember one of the warders, he said there in the quarry | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
we are going to be worked to death. We are going to be destroyed. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
He had a slogan for the quarry. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
He said, "Daar maak jy groot klippe klein en klein klippe fyn." | 0:15:21 | 0:15:28 | |
"There you will make big stones small and small stones tiny." | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
It was very hard in the quarry, breaking the slate, you know. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
When we remember the quarry, we see it as a place that unified us | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
as prisoners and it also contributed in unifying us as sportsmen. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
Robben Island is remembered as some kind of university. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:52 | |
And the stone quarry, we remember it as a main auditorium | 0:15:52 | 0:15:58 | |
of that university. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
It was a decision we made that there we are not going to | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
allow our vision of ourselves to be blurred | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
by the vision the Prison Department and the authorities had of us. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
And that made us demand, not concessions, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
but privileges in terms of their own, very own regulations. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:24 | |
Mass murder everybody. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
We could not just spend one idle moment behind the cells, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
so we ended up organising games. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
Which we played out of the sight of warders. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
Chess and cards, which we made out of cardboards, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
or draughts, which was made out of pieces of soap, or even wood. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
And, of course, there was ludo. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:48 | |
We'd draw the ludo board on a blanket with a piece of soap, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
which was just as well. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
And we enjoyed those games, but this was not enough. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
We needed something more physical. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
Hey! Shut up! | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
And suddenly, soccer was a passion. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
It was all we could think about. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
It was all we wanted to do. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:41 | |
We made soccer balls with anything. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
Pieces of rag, paper, anything. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
For us youngsters, it became a crusade. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
Now we would organise our guys to go in delegations. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:13 | |
We would go to the senior warder. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
We requested our request for soccer to be considered seriously. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
We request the right to play football on weekends. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
It's a privilege. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
We request the right to play football on weekends. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
-We request the right to play football... -On weekends. -Nee. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
-We request the right to play football on weekends. -Nee. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
-We request... -Nee. -The right to play football... -Nee. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
Play football on weekends. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
Uit! | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
We request the right to better food. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
And we request the right to play football on weekends. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
Nee. No. Out. Get out. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
We request the right to play... | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
On weekends. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
When the hell else would you play football? | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
Get out. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
Naidoo, is somebody still waiting outside? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
No. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
It says here, "One-time soccer ball to be bought with..." | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
What's this word here, Naidoo? | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
Funds, sir. To be bought with funds. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
I'm talking to Naidoo. When I'm talking to you, then you can answer. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:10 | |
"Bought with funds donated by the following players." | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
For a bunch of communists, you boys are quite flush with cash, hey? | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
That 20 cents a month you pay us for breaking rocks can add up. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
Naidoo, are you being funny? | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
The chaps simply want a ball. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:44 | |
A proper kit, as soon as the guys can organise the funds. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:48 | |
Moseneke, if the CO lets you play, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
and he's not going to let you play... | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
You people are little piccanin scarecrows already. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
-Thank you, sir. -Baas! | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
If you continue to ask me for this bloody stupid thing, | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
you bloody learn to call me Baas. Understand? | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
Yes. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
Now get out. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
Well, we had to show that our approach was indeed a very, very serious one. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:38 | |
Once we got going it also gave rise to what I would call a united front | 0:22:40 | 0:22:47 | |
that cut across party-political lines and across all age groups. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:53 | |
It was that united front that the authorities could not ignore. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
And it was a really very powerful instrument for us to get things going. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
LOCK CLICKS LOUDLY | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
DOOR SLAMS | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
CHEERING AND LAUGHTER | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
It was amazing. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
In 1967, four years after arriving on Robben Island, | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
we began to play soccer on a small, makeshift field just outside our communal cells. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
Everybody wanted to play football. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
CHEERING AND WHISTLING | 0:25:35 | 0:25:37 | |
As a person who came from the Eastern Cape, | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
it was foreign to me, because I played rugby and cricket. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:15 | |
And when this soccer was introduced on the island, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
those who introduced it were willing to teach us. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
Right, ke madoda, here we go. It's on the chest, it goes down. Control it and kick. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
-Good. Tony. -All right, all right, gents, Alfred, you ready? | 0:26:30 | 0:26:35 | |
Anthony Suze was one of those soccer fanatics. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
He loved soccer. He was a hard kicker and we even nicknamed him... | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
SPEAKS IN HIS NATIVE LANGUAGE | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
which means, "Move, I'm going to kick!" | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Here we go. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
Almost there! Nice try, Alfred, nice try. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
Marcus, you ready? | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
All right, let's do this. | 0:26:57 | 0:26:58 | |
Oh! | 0:26:59 | 0:27:00 | |
OK, we'll work on that. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
We'll have to work on that. We'll have to work on that. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
Lizo? Let's go. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
Hey, it's rugby, Tony. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
Hey, gents, | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
I think we found our goalkeeper. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
Goalkeeper?! | 0:27:19 | 0:27:20 | |
There was selflessness in the teaching, of course, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
but it was not always about being selfless. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
Those guys that I taught about soccer, I taught because I wanted the best players on my team. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:32 | |
I wanted to win. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
Lizo, here. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:36 | |
Sorry, sorry. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
Alfred, Alfred! Guys, let's keep it moving. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
Un-teachable! | 0:27:45 | 0:27:46 | |
I couldn't believe it. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
You know Sedick is a scientist? | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
And I asked him, I said, "You, a physicist, you know all about | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
"forces and velocity and stuff like that, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
"and so why can't you just kick that ball?" | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
This is... No, no, no, Dick. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
Pro, the ball. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
-Listen to me. I want you to go and stand over there. -Over here, OK. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
Lizo. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
OK. Lizo... | 0:28:11 | 0:28:13 | |
'Now Lizo, he was different, even though he was a rugby player.' | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
OK, now when Lizo passes me the ball, you are going to run. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
-First touch you get on the ball, you strike it into the net. -No, I don't think I can do that, hey. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
Dick, don't think. Just listen to me. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:26 | |
First strike you get on the ball, hit it into the net. Head down, weight going forward, kick under the ball. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:33 | |
Ready? | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
Sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
-I'll try it again. OK, OK. Yeah. I'll try it again. -Eye on the ball. Eye on the ball. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
OK, ready, ready. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:52 | |
Just give the others a chance rather, I'll just sit over here. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
No, you're doing nicely there. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
Don't lie! He's not doing nicely at all. He's the worst football player in the world! | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
-It's difficult when you don't come from a sports background. -I come from a sports background! | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
-What sports? -Swimming is big in our family! | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
Swimming, Dick, swimming?! That's one sport that's not going to get encouraged here, wena. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
The five-mile freestyle to Cape Town, huh? No, no, Dick, come on, again. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
He was helpless. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
You know, thank God for soccer. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:28 | |
When I first arrived | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
and saw my dear friend Bennie Ntwele looking like skin and bones | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
in just a few weeks on the island, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:36 | |
I thought I would die here, but soccer was our salvation. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
And it was driven by people like Pro Malepe. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
Pro was a diamond. He was fast. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
He was strong, he was fit. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
He was known as Pro | 0:29:48 | 0:29:49 | |
because he was already a professional player from Pretoria | 0:29:49 | 0:29:54 | |
and he was allocated the task of training the rugby players | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
and the non-soccer players to prepare them with basic skills. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
He didn't know when to stop. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:04 | |
When Pro trains, he just goes on and on and on and it's up, up, up, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:08 | |
if it's down, it's down, down, down, but he never knows when to stop. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
I need you to be saving goals, not creating them. Keep your feet on the ground! | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
Come, I'm counting. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
One! | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
Two! | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
Three! | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
Gentlemen, this is the man you should be looking up to. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
Freddie Simons is a specimen of my good work. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
It's passion, it's commitment, it's power. I love it. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
Why is that? | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
And not you, Mr Delport? | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
And not bloody me. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
Passover. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:14 | |
That is not right. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:19 | |
No, it's not right. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
You're a good guard. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
Mr Delport, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
an excellent officer, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
you're always there in the rain with us. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
Very dutiful. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
But that is the problem, Mr Delport. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
Why is it you that is standing in the rain and they all get promotions and you don't? | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
It's because they're using you. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
They do not respect you. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:55 | |
Even though you work hard and you're an excellent officer. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
They treat you like us. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:02 | |
Like less than a human being. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
You must fight your case. You must write a letter. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
I don't know how to write such a letter. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:18 | |
Maybe we can help you. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:20 | |
'Delport, who was so violent and so mean, eventually became our ally. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:30 | |
'He joined our classes and we helped him with his studies.' | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
'And slowly Delport become more human and Delport became a different person. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:40 | |
'And finally, he passed his subjects and he was promoted. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
'Many of the warders loved to watch us play,' | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
because we created great spectator sport for them. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
TRADITIONAL AFRICAN SINGING | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
Hey, hey! | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
You see that aeroplane? | 0:33:14 | 0:33:15 | |
That's a white man flying there, flying in the sky. And you can't even push a wheelbarrow straight! | 0:33:15 | 0:33:20 | |
Hey, don't turn your back on me, boetie. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
When I'm talking to you, you pay attention, OK? | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
Hey, Jaco. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:30 | |
So, who's in the starting XI on Saturday? | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
We're playing against the Bucs, aren't we? | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
We're going to crush them. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:49 | |
Ja, Shinners better have his boots on this weekend. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:53 | |
There were warders who were very fond of us, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
there were warders who actually were our fans. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
There was a warder, Smith we called him, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
who could come and open up every time I wanted to go and play. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
But there was always a degree of tension because it took us years to break down the barriers, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:22 | |
but most importantly, of course, it took years to improve the situation on the island. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:27 | |
You had those who were among them who were very lonely. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
They had cases where warders committed suicide, | 0:34:31 | 0:34:36 | |
where young men just put that rifle on the chest and pulled the trigger. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:42 | |
GUNSHOT | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
We decided to organise soccer in a much more conscious way. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
We wanted to play competitive soccer so that, if there are clubs, | 0:34:59 | 0:35:04 | |
the one club can plan and the other club can then try and defend. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
We want to set up a FIFA-type of association. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
We wanted competition, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
and in that competition we are going to create interest, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
and that is why soccer, for us, | 0:35:19 | 0:35:21 | |
had to be introduced very, very systematically and carefully. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
I understand, Tony, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
but what I am trying to say is that the chaps can be quite regimented. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:32 | |
You know I can play with anybody, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
but other men are saying, "Mmm-mm." | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
They say a lot of things, Mark, and that's the problem. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
Everybody is saying something, but who's doing? Who is engaging? | 0:35:40 | 0:35:44 | |
Carefully, discussion, negotiation, it's not just talk. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
Yes, but you see them, I mean, you see these chaps who always talk about a united front | 0:35:49 | 0:35:55 | |
or these games serving football instead of politics, | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
and what do they do the moment we start picking sides? | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
ANC on this side, PAC on that side. Hey? | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
'Right from the beginning,' | 0:36:03 | 0:36:05 | |
I was against picking teams | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
according to political organisations. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
Tony, it's more complicated than that. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
-Football is never just football. -I don't know what game you've been playing, | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
but when I'm playing football, that is what I'm doing and I'm doing it properly. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
But everything that we do here, we do it properly. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
-You don't have to tell me. -But I do. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
We must keep on saying it. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
We must keep repeating it. It's very easy in this place to retreat into... | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
I mean, how would you put it, into "familiar things"? | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
Like these safe political structures. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
We cannot discriminate along party lines. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
Do I hear it right that you've put a clause of non-discrimination in the Manong constitution? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:45 | |
-Exactly right. -Today Manong, tomorrow the Makana Football Association, and next year, FIFA. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:52 | |
If we're going to do this, we're going to do it right. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
And that's the FIFA way, or no way at all. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
That is why I recruited Lizo, an African National Congress member, into my team, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:04 | |
Manong, which was predominantly a Pan Africanist Congress members club. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
Our motto was "A lapile!" | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
Which literally meant "the vultures are hungry". | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
We stood for soccer and not politics. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
Our team's aims were very clear. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
One, to promote and demonstrate soccer. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
Two, to spread sportsmanship and comradeship. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
The third one was to ensure that every able-bodied person was taught soccer on the island. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:32 | |
CROWD: Penalty! Penalty! Penalty! Penalty! | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
They're not getting that tired any more. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
You know, I'm seeing a steady improvement in our play, Marcus. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
For one, better discipline from the players, and for two, | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
better coaching methods are being employed. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
I'm really happy. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:05 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
Pass the ball! | 0:38:11 | 0:38:12 | |
Shoot! Shoot! | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
CHEERING | 0:38:30 | 0:38:32 | |
You have to admit, Sedick, the standard of play is now really good. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
Absolutely. And it's also having a tremendous impact on our morale. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:41 | |
CHEERING | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
Through football, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
we could realise | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
and make a statement | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
about our humanity, about ourselves. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
It's for enjoyment, it's for relaxation. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:02 | |
It is for fun, it is to give an opportunity for people | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
to get away from the hardships of the present. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
We worked hard to keep football together. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:13 | |
I don't think I'd be wrong if I say | 0:39:41 | 0:39:46 | |
soccer saved many of us on the island. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
SCREAMING | 0:39:50 | 0:39:52 | |
SHOUTING AND SCREAMING | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
MUFFLED SCREAMS | 0:40:04 | 0:40:06 | |
HE IMAGINES FOOTBALL CHANTING | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Indres Naidoo | 0:40:41 | 0:40:43 | |
and Sedick Isaacs | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
were our administrators. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
They could not play very well, | 0:40:49 | 0:40:52 | |
but they were very good administrators. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
You know, when people see that reams and reams of minutes and notes we kept, they might find it strange | 0:40:57 | 0:41:04 | |
that we created such a large bureaucracy of our sport and our associations there on the island. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
But that's the way we fought the struggle. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
That was the system we came out of. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
What we did, we did properly, thoroughly, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
and we applied that on our sport. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
Sunday to Wednesday to do postmortem. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:32 | |
Wednesday, we're planning for Saturday | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
and if perchance there were delays, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
if for some reason, the warder did not turn up on time, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:41 | |
we would end up filled with anxiety. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:45 | |
Ah, Mr Malan, you know we only have from 9 until 11 o'clock. I'm sure it's about quarter past 9 now. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:58 | |
We can't run our prison according to your sporting timetables! | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
Eish, Warder Malan, it's just that we don't have a lot of time. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
Did you watch? | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
Are you going to watch now? | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
TRANSLATED FROM XHOSA | 0:42:29 | 0:42:30 | |
Warder Malan is now speaking Xhosa? | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
I wonder what Warder Delport would say, Warder Malan? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
Ja, that is exactly what he would say. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
Kom! Kom, mense! | 0:42:39 | 0:42:40 | |
Playing football was the only time we were out in the open, | 0:42:46 | 0:42:51 | |
away from the cells and not doing any hard work of the quarry. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:58 | |
It was so wonderful to feel the sun on you while you were enjoying soccer. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:04 | |
It brightened us. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
# ..over all of us | 0:43:06 | 0:43:10 | |
# As we play | 0:43:10 | 0:43:12 | |
# Play ball | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
# Running, running, running | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
# Having fun... # | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
Why did I get a yellow card? | 0:43:20 | 0:43:22 | |
We both went for the ball! | 0:43:22 | 0:43:23 | |
Mr Maseko, the Makana Football Association Disciplinary Committee | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
has reviewed your case and we came to this conclusion. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
It was a 50-50 situation and you both went for the ball. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
But you, on the other hand, deliberately showed your studs | 0:43:35 | 0:43:38 | |
across the face of the ball, intending to harm the other player. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
That's why you got a yellow card. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
Your complaint is overruled, Mr Maseko. Thank you very much. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
You may leave the cell. | 0:43:48 | 0:43:49 | |
Did you get that down? | 0:43:49 | 0:43:50 | |
Defence! CHEERING AND SHOUTING | 0:43:50 | 0:43:52 | |
And then they sent warders to the mainland to buy our soccer kit | 0:44:11 | 0:44:16 | |
and we finally got colour into the game and into our lives. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:21 | |
You know, the uniform of a prisoner is monotonous. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
It's the same all over and all over, | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
but now putting something different would place us | 0:44:29 | 0:44:33 | |
to a greater extent, you know, | 0:44:33 | 0:44:36 | |
to think that we are outside, enjoying ourselves outside prison. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:41 | |
Makana Football Association | 0:44:45 | 0:44:47 | |
was named after the Xhosa chief, | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
a warrior, who was arrested by the British. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
He was taken to the island. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
He attempted to escape. He died whilst doing that. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:01 | |
And we honoured him by naming our association after him. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:06 | |
This Makana Football Association, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
it was a big thing. We had over 200 guys playing. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:12 | |
For example, there were three teams. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
There was the A, B and C. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:19 | |
The A team was for the top players, whereas your C team | 0:45:19 | 0:45:25 | |
would be for the real amateurs, guys like Sedick, for example. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
The A division had three teams. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
The B division had three teams. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
And the C division had two teams. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
The A teams needed chairmen, | 0:45:57 | 0:46:00 | |
and they got the chairmen. | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
The criteria we had was not the ability to speak refined English, | 0:46:02 | 0:46:09 | |
or a sense of formal education, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
but what we needed was the ability to lead. | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
The A chairmen were going to be led by one single chairman, the Makana Football Association chairman. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:21 | |
And the guy they eventually chose, was a unifying guy, a calm guy, a guy that could debate issues. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:27 | |
He had a fantastic grasp of the rules of soccer. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
Dikgang Moseneke, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
I think he was 16 years when he came to the island. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
Today, he is the Deputy Chief Justice of South Africa. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:42 | |
Yeah, we demanded to be given a bigger field where we were going to play our sport. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:53 | |
Regulation size, to FIFA requirements. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
CHEERING | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
And so, in 1969, we moved to our new field. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
CHANTING | 0:47:11 | 0:47:13 | |
Well, Harry Gwala was a prominent member of the Communist Party of South Africa, | 0:47:28 | 0:47:34 | |
but he also had a very deep understanding of sports | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
in what was known as the Socialist Bloc, especially soccer. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:42 | |
He would know the names of all the great soccer players. Moscow Dynamo, which was the famous Russian team. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:48 | |
He was also very strict on the field. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
It was not easy for him to change his decision. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
Welcome, gentlemen. First on our agenda is a report back from Marcus Solomon. | 0:47:55 | 0:48:00 | |
But first he will take us through matters arising from Saturday's match. | 0:48:00 | 0:48:05 | |
Oh, he has also advised me that he would like to tackle a very important issue before he reads the report. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:12 | |
With your permission, gentlemen? | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
-Yes, sure. -Marcus, please. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:16 | |
Thank you, Chairman Gwala. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
No, it's just that, how can I put it, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
we are all players from time to time. We are not only referees. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:25 | |
We know how it is. There are passions, healthy passions. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:29 | |
But I know I've said this before, and please forgive me if I'm flogging a dead horse, | 0:48:29 | 0:48:36 | |
but we cannot allow rough play. | 0:48:36 | 0:48:37 | |
SHOUTING | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
What? | 0:49:15 | 0:49:16 | |
Makana Football Association draw for Saturday, 14th May, 1970. | 0:49:21 | 0:49:26 | |
Black Eagles versus Dynaspurs, your referee is Mr Harry Gwala. | 0:49:26 | 0:49:31 | |
Finally, we've got the Silver Stars versus Rangers, | 0:49:32 | 0:49:36 | |
referee Mr S. Govender. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:37 | |
Linesmen will be Mr Njama, Mr Kunene, Mr Singh and Mr Radebe. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:42 | |
Look, can't we have Mr... | 0:49:42 | 0:49:44 | |
CHEERING AND SHOUTING | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 0:50:11 | 0:50:13 | |
The League log, latest points. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
SHOUTING | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
I don't want to hear it, Mr Suze. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
I ruled according to what I saw in the field of play. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
Field of play, what field of play, on which field of play were you on when that happened? | 0:50:25 | 0:50:30 | |
Tony, if you have any complaints, use the official channels. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
Official channels? Do you want to know what you can do with your official channels? | 0:50:33 | 0:50:38 | |
I'll tell you what you can do, you can take your official channels, file them, in triplicate for all I care! | 0:50:38 | 0:50:43 | |
Right is right and wrong is wrong, Mr Referee, and in this case, I am right and you are wrong! | 0:50:43 | 0:50:49 | |
Yeah! | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
CHEERING | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
Presentation to the B Division champions! | 0:50:59 | 0:51:04 | |
Well done, sir. | 0:51:09 | 0:51:12 | |
Well played. | 0:51:12 | 0:51:14 | |
CHEERING | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
B Division champions! | 0:51:17 | 0:51:18 | |
We had fans, we had banners, we had logos, we had everything. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:29 | |
Spectators were fanatics, you know, they loved soccer. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:34 | |
They tended now to own the sport itself. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:39 | |
A chap like Blues, and there was another one like Baartman. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:43 | |
For my sake, Mark, win it for me! If you can't win it for your captain, | 0:51:43 | 0:51:47 | |
then think of Baartman, who cries every time when you lose! | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
It hurts me. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:52 | |
Please, I'm begging you. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:54 | |
I don't want those other guys to win. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:56 | |
You're my only hope, my heroes, my superstars! | 0:51:56 | 0:52:01 | |
LAUGHTER | 0:52:01 | 0:52:03 | |
Defence! | 0:52:13 | 0:52:15 | |
Dick! Hey, Dick! | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
They promised me they're going to win it for Baartman! | 0:52:21 | 0:52:25 | |
They swore! Leave that Blues maniac alone and fight with the real man. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:31 | |
A real soccer man! | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
Isaacs! | 0:52:34 | 0:52:35 | |
Sedick Isaacs! | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
What is it, Blues, I can hear you! | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
-I call you out. -What? | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
Hey, Blues, you a crazy man. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
Here I am. You still support the losing team. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
Today, Dick, today is today! | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
-What day, Blues? -Today's the day that you die! | 0:52:49 | 0:52:53 | |
You said that three weeks ago! Is that the day or is today the day? | 0:52:54 | 0:52:57 | |
You're confusing me. | 0:52:57 | 0:52:59 | |
Today is the day that you die. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
Ah! | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
Wow! It can't be. Look at that! | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
-Yes! -Look at that! -Yes, it is! | 0:53:18 | 0:53:19 | |
-Hey, hey! -Mandela. | 0:53:19 | 0:53:22 | |
And Walter Sisulu! | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
Ahmed Kathrada! | 0:53:24 | 0:53:25 | |
No, no, no, no, no, no, that's not Kathrada and that's not Mandela! | 0:53:25 | 0:53:29 | |
That's... Come, you're not supposed to see that, people! Move! | 0:53:29 | 0:53:33 | |
THEY CHANT IN THEIR NATIVE LANGUAGE | 0:53:33 | 0:53:35 | |
After that, we never saw the prisoners from that section again. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:47 | |
They actually built a wall between us to keep them hidden away. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:52 | |
When we used to have regular meetings, we had to pick sides. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:56 | |
And of course, there was a motto that guided all soccer on the island. | 0:53:56 | 0:54:02 | |
The motto of the Makana Football Association was "Service Before Self". | 0:54:02 | 0:54:08 | |
Gentlemen, we have here the names of the team that will be playing the big match on Saturday. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:13 | |
OK! Shabalala. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
When I played, it was like I was home again. It would transport you away from the island. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:21 | |
Chilewane, Kekane, Zwelendawu... | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
When we were told that we were not going to play in a particular weekend, | 0:54:25 | 0:54:30 | |
we felt so bad. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
I'm sorry for those gentlemen that didn't make it. We'll practise hard this week with Pro. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:38 | |
As far as we were concerned, a socialist society was one in which all aspects of your life | 0:54:38 | 0:54:44 | |
had to be catered for. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
Your mind, your body, your soul, your spirit. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
And sports, | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
playing sports, playing soccer was a very important part | 0:54:52 | 0:54:56 | |
of that integrated, holistic approach to life. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
For me it was difficult because I always wanted to win. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
By now, we were successfully administering and playing soccer ourselves. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:06 | |
We had allowed no interference from the authorities, and this made them mad! | 0:55:06 | 0:55:11 | |
It was one area on the island in which we were sovereign, and where we had control over our lives. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:17 | |
Even when working in that terrible quarry, we found time to discuss soccer issues. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:22 | |
Like me complaining about selecting the best teams, and Pro's complaints about training. | 0:55:22 | 0:55:27 | |
I tell you, man, they're going to lose. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
They're going to lose because they have got no stamina, | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
because they only went to use the bathroom for ten minutes. Ten minutes! | 0:55:36 | 0:55:40 | |
-You can't do anything. -I thought it was scheduled for half an hour? -No, it's 45 minutes! | 0:55:40 | 0:55:45 | |
The upper body for 15 minutes and the trunk for 15 minutes. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:48 | |
-And running for 15 minutes, man. -So? | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
What is Pro complaining about now? | 0:55:54 | 0:55:57 | |
He's angry that Harry took most of his training time to give the guys a glimpse behind the Iron Curtain. | 0:55:57 | 0:56:02 | |
Pro feels they are not going to be ready for the soccer. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:07 | |
What's Pro's feeling about Mbatha playing this week? | 0:56:07 | 0:56:10 | |
Eish, Marcus, it is very difficult. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:13 | |
Old Boots hasn't had a game in three weeks... | 0:56:13 | 0:56:15 | |
Old Boots hasn't had a game in three weeks because Old Boots plays football like a drunk. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:20 | |
-And he is very unhappy about not playing. -Well, I'm very unhappy about it when he does play. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:25 | |
They told me Boots wants to lodge a complaint with the committee if you play Pro again. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
Yeah, I know, I know. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:31 | |
'The selection process, it was a hell of a process. | 0:56:31 | 0:56:34 | |
'You want to play inclusive soccer. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
'You want to involve everybody. | 0:56:36 | 0:56:38 | |
'But then you know' | 0:56:38 | 0:56:39 | |
that Saturday, the other team is going to pick up their best players. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:43 | |
You start wondering, to say, "Now, look, what is important this week?" you know? | 0:56:43 | 0:56:49 | |
Talk to your guys, you know, they should take it easy on socialism, | 0:56:49 | 0:56:53 | |
you know, until we've played our football and then they can go back to their agenda. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:58 | |
There were clubs playing, and at the end of the year, in order to play within one another's clubs, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:04 | |
not playing against one another, they created what was called selected sides. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:08 | |
Mix the clubs up, and those who played with one another, | 0:57:08 | 0:57:12 | |
now played against one another | 0:57:12 | 0:57:14 | |
in their new temporary club and they called it selected sides. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
A side was picked on Robben Island, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:20 | |
and they named themselves the Atlantic Raiders. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
The Raiders were, almost by accident, a very, very strong side. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
Strong soccer players like Suze, and Bitmos and Freddie Simon. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:33 | |
And it was out of the whole discourse of inclusiveness on the one side | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
and a desire to win at all costs, | 0:57:37 | 0:57:39 | |
that the incident of the Atlantic Raiders arose. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:42 | |
Skull and bones, gents, Atlantic Raiders. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:49 | |
CHEERING AND SHOUTING | 0:57:49 | 0:57:51 | |
Young guys, fast guys, hard guys. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:58 | |
They've poached two players from Manong. | 0:57:58 | 0:58:01 | |
The Bucs team have lost two players. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:06 | |
People are saying these Raiders play only for pride, for vanity. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
CHEERING | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
Suze only plays for one thing and that's to win! | 0:58:22 | 0:58:26 | |
-Skull and bones forever. -Enough with that nonsense now. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:30 | |
I know you gents. | 0:58:30 | 0:58:32 | |
I know you, you are Silver Stars men and Manong men. | 0:58:32 | 0:58:35 | |
You're not secessionist hooligans! | 0:58:35 | 0:58:38 | |
Stop this nonsense now. | 0:58:38 | 0:58:39 | |
Atlantic Raiders, they were the elite. | 0:58:39 | 0:58:42 | |
WE were the elite. | 0:58:42 | 0:58:44 | |
The best players in the best team. | 0:58:44 | 0:58:46 | |
Selected from across all the cells in the island. We were the best. | 0:58:46 | 0:58:50 | |
Atlantic Raiders was just a team | 0:58:50 | 0:58:53 | |
that had everything to do with the status, you know. | 0:58:53 | 0:58:57 | |
Yeah, yeah, there were complaints and accusations because we were the best, we were the strongest team. | 0:58:57 | 0:59:03 | |
They were rocking the boat right from the start. | 0:59:03 | 0:59:06 | |
The men wanted to leave their clubs in order to join the Raiders. | 0:59:06 | 0:59:09 | |
We were good, man. | 0:59:09 | 0:59:11 | |
The Atlantic Raiders was a top team | 0:59:11 | 0:59:16 | |
and the Blue Rocks were right at the bottom. | 0:59:16 | 0:59:19 | |
It was a very poor team. | 0:59:19 | 0:59:21 | |
Webo, Webo! | 0:59:21 | 0:59:24 | |
Old crocks, you know? But everybody had to play in the Makana Football Association. It was the ethos. | 0:59:31 | 0:59:37 | |
And so that's how it came naturally that these Blue Rocks, | 0:59:40 | 0:59:43 | |
these old guys, these crocks, had to play Atlantic Raiders. | 0:59:43 | 0:59:47 | |
It was always going to be a massacre. | 0:59:47 | 0:59:50 | |
Massacre. | 0:59:50 | 0:59:51 | |
I don't know what was their preparation like before we played that November. | 0:59:51 | 0:59:55 | |
But what I know, | 0:59:55 | 0:59:56 | |
that our preparation, as always, | 0:59:56 | 0:59:59 | |
was pretty intense. | 0:59:59 | 1:00:01 | |
And then the big day came. | 1:00:17 | 1:00:20 | |
I was really looking forward to that match. | 1:00:20 | 1:00:23 | |
You know, although we were political prisoners, we did not want politics to consume us. | 1:00:23 | 1:00:29 | |
We did seminars and political discussions. But then we also wanted some fun. | 1:00:29 | 1:00:34 | |
And playing Blue Rocks was going to be great fun. | 1:00:34 | 1:00:37 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 1:00:47 | 1:00:49 | |
-Offside, ref, offside! -Play on! | 1:00:52 | 1:00:53 | |
No offside! Play on! | 1:00:53 | 1:00:56 | |
WHISTLE BLOWS | 1:00:56 | 1:00:58 | |
He was totally offside. Totally. I think he even handled the ball! | 1:01:03 | 1:01:07 | |
Really, it's a tough experience, | 1:01:07 | 1:01:11 | |
going behind the net to go and collect a ball | 1:01:11 | 1:01:16 | |
that has been scored against you as a goalkeeper. | 1:01:16 | 1:01:21 | |
-A goal? How? -It's a goal. I am applying FIFA rules, the goal stands. | 1:01:21 | 1:01:24 | |
That was clearly offside, and what about the handball? | 1:01:24 | 1:01:27 | |
Two bloody yards away from the last feet! How can that possibly... | 1:01:27 | 1:01:31 | |
This is unacceptable! I cannot ref under these conditions. | 1:01:31 | 1:01:35 | |
Harry Gwala - stubborn. | 1:01:35 | 1:01:37 | |
Where are you going? Where's he going?! | 1:01:37 | 1:01:40 | |
You're walking away. | 1:01:40 | 1:01:42 | |
Anthony Suze - stubborn! | 1:01:42 | 1:01:43 | |
That's against FIFA rules! | 1:01:43 | 1:01:45 | |
It was crazy but we said, "Let's just win this thing and get back home." | 1:01:47 | 1:01:52 | |
CHEERING | 1:01:52 | 1:01:54 | |
Pass the ball! | 1:01:55 | 1:01:57 | |
Move! | 1:01:57 | 1:01:58 | |
HE SHOUTS IN HIS NATIVE LANGUAGE | 1:01:58 | 1:02:00 | |
Come, gents, come, gents. | 1:02:02 | 1:02:04 | |
Pass the ball! | 1:02:07 | 1:02:09 | |
The old crocks decided to go and block the goals, you know. | 1:02:09 | 1:02:15 | |
Pass the ball, man! | 1:02:33 | 1:02:34 | |
Pass the ball, Freddie! | 1:02:44 | 1:02:46 | |
It went on | 1:03:03 | 1:03:05 | |
until it came clear that the pros, the Raiders camp, could not score. | 1:03:05 | 1:03:11 | |
CHEERING | 1:03:13 | 1:03:15 | |
CHANTING: Blue Rocks! Blue Rocks! Blue Rocks! Blue Rocks! | 1:03:23 | 1:03:29 | |
CHANTING: Blue Rocks! Blue Rocks! Blue Rocks! | 1:03:29 | 1:03:35 | |
CHANTING: Blue Rocks! Blue Rocks! Blue Rocks! | 1:03:35 | 1:03:38 | |
The record book, of course, reflected that Blue Rocks had won the match. | 1:03:38 | 1:03:44 | |
-I know, Tony, I saw it. OK, I saw it. -Jesus, Dick! | 1:03:44 | 1:03:46 | |
Jesus! I mean, a complaint. | 1:03:46 | 1:03:48 | |
A formal appeal or something. | 1:03:48 | 1:03:49 | |
That thing can't stand. It's a farce. | 1:03:49 | 1:03:51 | |
We will appeal immediately. | 1:03:51 | 1:03:53 | |
There are various grounds we can appeal on. For instance... | 1:03:53 | 1:03:56 | |
The refereeing is a bloody joke. | 1:03:56 | 1:03:58 | |
-Yes. -That's what. Dick, you can't do that. | 1:03:58 | 1:04:01 | |
You saw what he did, he just went off the field like that. | 1:04:01 | 1:04:03 | |
You can't do that. That is against FIFA regulations, right? | 1:04:03 | 1:04:07 | |
I'm almost certain it is, yeah. | 1:04:07 | 1:04:09 | |
How then? Jesus, Dick, I mean this thing is a knockout competition. | 1:04:09 | 1:04:14 | |
'But now, they couldn't take it. | 1:04:14 | 1:04:16 | |
'Blame the referee,' | 1:04:16 | 1:04:17 | |
blame the linesmen, blame everything in the world, you know. | 1:04:17 | 1:04:20 | |
We appealed almost immediately. | 1:04:20 | 1:04:23 | |
We threw the book at the MFA. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:25 | |
It was serious stuff. | 1:04:25 | 1:04:27 | |
We went there with our captain, Freddie Simon, | 1:04:27 | 1:04:30 | |
our vice-captain, Lucas Mahlangu, and we became very, very technical. | 1:04:30 | 1:04:37 | |
But Mr Isaacs, | 1:04:37 | 1:04:38 | |
the executive committee of the Makana Football Association | 1:04:38 | 1:04:41 | |
believes that you have covered this territory already. | 1:04:41 | 1:04:44 | |
If you had a complaint, it behoves you to make your protest | 1:04:44 | 1:04:48 | |
immediately after the irregularity had been observed. | 1:04:48 | 1:04:51 | |
Once again, I'd like to refer you to the constitution of the Makana Football Association, | 1:04:51 | 1:04:58 | |
section 7(c), page nine, where it clearly states that... | 1:04:58 | 1:05:02 | |
With all due respect, Mr Secretary, | 1:05:02 | 1:05:05 | |
what we are saying, and not for the first time in this meeting, | 1:05:05 | 1:05:08 | |
is that we are aware of section 7(c). | 1:05:08 | 1:05:10 | |
But we find it problematic. | 1:05:10 | 1:05:14 | |
The Oxford English Dictionary defines "observe" | 1:05:14 | 1:05:18 | |
as "become conscious of". | 1:05:18 | 1:05:20 | |
The events leading to our protest... | 1:05:22 | 1:05:24 | |
Mr Isaacs! | 1:05:24 | 1:05:25 | |
Please do not try to divert this hearing with sophistry. | 1:05:25 | 1:05:30 | |
It will not be tolerated. | 1:05:30 | 1:05:32 | |
Mr Secretary, | 1:05:32 | 1:05:33 | |
I'm simply pointing out | 1:05:33 | 1:05:34 | |
that the events leading to our protest | 1:05:34 | 1:05:37 | |
are complex and require checking. | 1:05:37 | 1:05:39 | |
Will you concede that? | 1:05:39 | 1:05:41 | |
-Go on. -And because they require checking, | 1:05:43 | 1:05:45 | |
the process of becoming conscious of these events - that is, | 1:05:45 | 1:05:50 | |
observing them - has taken some time, | 1:05:50 | 1:05:53 | |
which is why we are presenting our petition of appeal | 1:05:53 | 1:05:56 | |
through the correct channels now. | 1:05:56 | 1:05:58 | |
He allowed that rubbish handball of a goal | 1:05:59 | 1:06:03 | |
and he just walks off the field, like a bloody chicken! | 1:06:03 | 1:06:07 | |
And he unceremoniously deserted the field after allowing a goal which had a telling effect on our morale. | 1:06:07 | 1:06:14 | |
And which arose from a malicious application of the contents of the Referees' Charter. | 1:06:14 | 1:06:19 | |
In light of these... | 1:06:19 | 1:06:20 | |
..horrible mistakes, I kept on shouting, | 1:06:20 | 1:06:23 | |
Dick, I kept on shouting, "Come on! | 1:06:23 | 1:06:25 | |
"I mean, come on, are you blind? | 1:06:25 | 1:06:27 | |
"Can't you see? Don't you know what a handball is? | 1:06:27 | 1:06:30 | |
"Don't you know what an offside is?" Then, you know what? | 1:06:30 | 1:06:34 | |
He then reacted to the infringement | 1:06:34 | 1:06:36 | |
of the association football rules with mirth, | 1:06:36 | 1:06:39 | |
as if it was a joke. | 1:06:39 | 1:06:41 | |
This is fully counter | 1:06:43 | 1:06:46 | |
to the spirit and history of association football. | 1:06:46 | 1:06:50 | |
And it is also proof... | 1:06:50 | 1:06:53 | |
..that all referees are bloody nincompoops, yeah! | 1:06:53 | 1:06:56 | |
You tell them, Dick, you tell them. | 1:06:56 | 1:06:58 | |
Nincompoops. | 1:06:58 | 1:06:59 | |
'We asked for a replay.' | 1:06:59 | 1:07:01 | |
We asked for a change | 1:07:01 | 1:07:02 | |
of the status of the game, anything! We fought very hard. | 1:07:02 | 1:07:06 | |
But sometimes I think we fought too hard. | 1:07:06 | 1:07:10 | |
It took five months to resolve the Atlantic Raiders-Blue Rocks demonstration. | 1:07:10 | 1:07:16 | |
We allowed due process to take place, no matter how frustrating the whole affair was. | 1:07:16 | 1:07:24 | |
And we would never have become violent about it. | 1:07:24 | 1:07:28 | |
One of the cardinal rules was never to lay hands on another political prisoner | 1:07:28 | 1:07:35 | |
and never give warders or guards an excuse to intervene. | 1:07:35 | 1:07:39 | |
Duress. | 1:07:39 | 1:07:41 | |
We'd make our case in such a way that they had to listen. | 1:07:41 | 1:07:46 | |
Was it the right thing to do? | 1:07:46 | 1:07:48 | |
It seemed like the right thing to do at the time. | 1:07:48 | 1:07:51 | |
It seemed like the only thing to do. | 1:07:51 | 1:07:53 | |
'When Makana Football Association stages a match,' | 1:07:59 | 1:08:03 | |
we'll not allow them to play. We went and squatted on the soccer field. | 1:08:03 | 1:08:08 | |
It's duress, Warder Delport. | 1:08:08 | 1:08:11 | |
Protest, Warder Delport. | 1:08:11 | 1:08:14 | |
You know about protesting and what you believe in is due to you, not so? | 1:08:14 | 1:08:18 | |
You can't do that here! | 1:08:19 | 1:08:22 | |
Freddie, Anthony, how long are you going to lie there? | 1:08:22 | 1:08:26 | |
For as long as it takes to get justice. | 1:08:26 | 1:08:30 | |
This man belongs to your club. Please, talk to him. | 1:08:30 | 1:08:34 | |
TRANSLATED FROM HIS NATIVE LANGUAGE | 1:08:34 | 1:08:36 | |
And now, gents, | 1:08:41 | 1:08:43 | |
why such long faces? Huh? | 1:08:43 | 1:08:46 | |
A vulture must fly high from time to time. That is a point of principle. | 1:08:46 | 1:08:50 | |
No, I do not see any vulture, | 1:08:50 | 1:08:53 | |
but I see something that's lying flat on his belly on the ground. | 1:08:53 | 1:09:00 | |
Please, Anthony. | 1:09:00 | 1:09:02 | |
Your chairman is asking you. | 1:09:02 | 1:09:04 | |
No, no, no, Chairman. | 1:09:04 | 1:09:07 | |
I'm sorry, but I'm drunk with rebellion. | 1:09:07 | 1:09:09 | |
It is not proper. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:12 | |
This thing is not proper! | 1:09:12 | 1:09:15 | |
Don't you got any manners? | 1:09:32 | 1:09:34 | |
Uncivilised. | 1:09:51 | 1:09:53 | |
And now? | 1:10:10 | 1:10:12 | |
And now, | 1:10:12 | 1:10:14 | |
we wait for justice. | 1:10:14 | 1:10:16 | |
We were serious. | 1:10:18 | 1:10:20 | |
We were willing to push this protest. | 1:10:20 | 1:10:22 | |
To hell with the consequences. | 1:10:22 | 1:10:25 | |
It's the principle. | 1:10:25 | 1:10:27 | |
If you're playing to FIFA standards, you cannot just suddenly say... | 1:10:27 | 1:10:31 | |
What about the principle of comradeship? | 1:10:31 | 1:10:33 | |
What about that, Maxabane? | 1:10:33 | 1:10:35 | |
You guys have become so obsessed with winning. | 1:10:35 | 1:10:37 | |
I'm not obsessed with anything! | 1:10:37 | 1:10:39 | |
Hey, very nice. | 1:10:56 | 1:10:58 | |
Careful, prisoner. | 1:11:01 | 1:11:02 | |
Hey. | 1:11:23 | 1:11:25 | |
-I heard that old guy in C2... -Mpofu? -Mpofu, yeah. | 1:11:25 | 1:11:28 | |
He's got high blood pressure because of this whole protest. | 1:11:28 | 1:11:31 | |
Eish, everyone gets high blood pressure and depression here. | 1:11:31 | 1:11:34 | |
It's like asthma and TB. | 1:11:34 | 1:11:36 | |
But you can't tell me we're also getting TB and depression because of the Atlantic Raiders. | 1:11:36 | 1:11:41 | |
Hey, guys, I don't like it. | 1:11:41 | 1:11:43 | |
The whole thing makes me very, very unhappy. | 1:11:43 | 1:11:45 | |
Eish. | 1:11:45 | 1:11:47 | |
What is wrong, is setting down guidelines, agreed to in a democratic and organised way, | 1:11:49 | 1:11:54 | |
-then changing those guidelines at the last minute? -Comrades, please. | 1:11:54 | 1:11:57 | |
Leave this on the soccer field, or the disciplinary hearing, where it belongs. | 1:11:57 | 1:12:02 | |
Please, it is very distressing. | 1:12:02 | 1:12:03 | |
But that is the point, comrade. | 1:12:03 | 1:12:05 | |
This is something that affects every aspect of our lives. | 1:12:05 | 1:12:08 | |
-So we have to take position on... -Enough! | 1:12:08 | 1:12:10 | |
Do not tell me what to do. | 1:12:10 | 1:12:13 | |
Leave it alone! | 1:12:13 | 1:12:15 | |
This is causing mayhem, high blood pressure, you name it. | 1:12:19 | 1:12:25 | |
Those who are angry, those who don't relate, they don't talk to one another, and so forth. | 1:12:25 | 1:12:30 | |
Laughter, ridicule, turned to anger, | 1:12:30 | 1:12:35 | |
it turned to emotion, it tended to divide us now. | 1:12:35 | 1:12:42 | |
It was serious. | 1:12:42 | 1:12:43 | |
We couldn't accept the fact that we'd been beaten by this lousy side. | 1:12:43 | 1:12:47 | |
Gentlemen. | 1:12:47 | 1:12:50 | |
I have here my report on the activities of our club, | 1:12:50 | 1:12:53 | |
Dynaspurs Football Club, over the period January to June, 1971. | 1:12:53 | 1:12:58 | |
And I had intended to read the entire document to you today | 1:12:58 | 1:13:02 | |
before I make it available to you for your perusal. | 1:13:02 | 1:13:04 | |
There are various administrative improvements I wanted to share with you. | 1:13:04 | 1:13:10 | |
And there are also players whom we should single out as having improved dramatically so far this year. | 1:13:10 | 1:13:15 | |
But right now I think I would like to start on the second page of my report | 1:13:19 | 1:13:23 | |
with an issue that has been weighing very heavily on all of us | 1:13:23 | 1:13:29 | |
and that has certainly depressed me personally since it took place. | 1:13:29 | 1:13:33 | |
Why do we play soccer? | 1:13:36 | 1:13:38 | |
Or any sport for that matter? | 1:13:38 | 1:13:41 | |
Do we play to win? | 1:13:41 | 1:13:42 | |
So we can say we thrashed such and such a club? | 1:13:42 | 1:13:45 | |
For points, for diplomas and trophies? | 1:13:45 | 1:13:50 | |
No. | 1:13:50 | 1:13:51 | |
Let us remember that our sporting activities here on the island | 1:13:51 | 1:13:55 | |
are meant and aimed at making our stay here less unbearable | 1:13:55 | 1:14:01 | |
and less intolerable than it is. | 1:14:01 | 1:14:03 | |
Let us not allow them to become the causes of more frustration, | 1:14:05 | 1:14:09 | |
tension and discomfort than they already are. | 1:14:09 | 1:14:12 | |
Some of us might say, "Noble ideals and big talk, | 1:14:14 | 1:14:17 | |
"which have no bearing on the real situation." | 1:14:17 | 1:14:20 | |
I would like to answer those people with a question. | 1:14:22 | 1:14:25 | |
"If we had no noble ideals, | 1:14:26 | 1:14:30 | |
"would we have been here today?" | 1:14:30 | 1:14:32 | |
So the guys appealed to us through the committee structures. | 1:14:47 | 1:14:54 | |
They threatened us in all kinds of manners and ways. | 1:14:54 | 1:14:58 | |
They appealed to our sentiments as political prisoners, | 1:14:58 | 1:15:02 | |
as sportsmen, as comrades. | 1:15:02 | 1:15:05 | |
It didn't work, but you see, the thing is we, as things went on, | 1:15:05 | 1:15:10 | |
we felt we had to back down. | 1:15:10 | 1:15:13 | |
We knew we had to back down. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:14 | |
It was becoming unpleasant for everybody. | 1:15:14 | 1:15:17 | |
And we wanted to throw in the towel, but we just didn't know how. | 1:15:17 | 1:15:20 | |
THEY CHATTER INDECIPHERABLY | 1:15:24 | 1:15:26 | |
Anthony. | 1:15:40 | 1:15:41 | |
'There was this old man in my club,' | 1:15:41 | 1:15:45 | |
Makaleni. | 1:15:45 | 1:15:46 | |
He was the chairman of our club, Manong. | 1:15:46 | 1:15:49 | |
Makaleni was not a highly-educated person, | 1:15:49 | 1:15:52 | |
but he was very articulate and a very good administrator. | 1:15:52 | 1:15:56 | |
And he understood people. | 1:15:56 | 1:15:59 | |
And particularly, he understood how to deal with people's weaknesses. | 1:15:59 | 1:16:04 | |
And he knew my weakness. | 1:16:04 | 1:16:06 | |
What do you have to lose? You've got nothing to lose. | 1:16:06 | 1:16:10 | |
You can tell these... | 1:16:10 | 1:16:12 | |
Mnumzana, please. | 1:16:12 | 1:16:14 | |
It's an impossible position, it's impossible. | 1:16:14 | 1:16:17 | |
It only seems impossible because you are so young, Anthony. | 1:16:17 | 1:16:21 | |
But humour a foolish old man like me and listen. | 1:16:21 | 1:16:25 | |
You've got nothing to lose. | 1:16:25 | 1:16:27 | |
You led these men away. | 1:16:27 | 1:16:28 | |
Now lead them back to us. | 1:16:28 | 1:16:30 | |
Yeah, yeah, but, Mnumzana, it's not just me. | 1:16:32 | 1:16:35 | |
There's a committee, even this, you know... | 1:16:35 | 1:16:37 | |
No, no. Find a way, find a solution. | 1:16:37 | 1:16:41 | |
And lead them back to us. Lead, Anthony, don't just play. | 1:16:41 | 1:16:46 | |
Lead, Anthony! | 1:16:46 | 1:16:47 | |
TRADITIONAL AFRICAN SINGING | 1:16:50 | 1:16:53 | |
Where are you going? | 1:17:28 | 1:17:29 | |
Back. | 1:17:31 | 1:17:32 | |
Because they were good soccer players, we needed them. | 1:17:35 | 1:17:40 | |
By the 1970s, I'd obviously grown older, | 1:18:12 | 1:18:19 | |
a little slower also. | 1:18:19 | 1:18:21 | |
We continued playing soccer, of course, | 1:18:21 | 1:18:24 | |
but a lot of us, had moved into more senior administrative positions. | 1:18:24 | 1:18:29 | |
For instance, I'd become a soccer referee, | 1:18:29 | 1:18:33 | |
and had become part of my club executive. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:38 | |
For us it was an era coming to an end. | 1:18:38 | 1:18:41 | |
There was, of course, still a number of hardcore lifers, | 1:18:41 | 1:18:44 | |
but they were getting older. | 1:18:44 | 1:18:45 | |
For those of us who arrived in the '60s, we were being released. | 1:18:45 | 1:18:49 | |
It was quite something, the idea of being free. | 1:18:49 | 1:18:53 | |
I was 19 when I got to the island. | 1:18:53 | 1:18:56 | |
And now I was in my mid-30s. | 1:18:56 | 1:18:57 | |
Yeah, I think that the...the... | 1:19:01 | 1:19:04 | |
As I said, ironically, for me, the saddest day | 1:19:04 | 1:19:07 | |
was when I left the island, | 1:19:07 | 1:19:09 | |
because I left so many people. | 1:19:09 | 1:19:13 | |
But when we look back, I think it was a good experience. | 1:19:22 | 1:19:26 | |
A very good experience. | 1:19:26 | 1:19:28 | |
My first thoughts were, | 1:19:35 | 1:19:37 | |
"Where am I going? What's it like? | 1:19:37 | 1:19:41 | |
"I'm used to where I am now | 1:19:41 | 1:19:44 | |
"and I'm going to a new world altogether. | 1:19:44 | 1:19:48 | |
"Am I going to fit? | 1:19:48 | 1:19:49 | |
"My family, who are they any more? | 1:19:53 | 1:19:57 | |
"Do they still know me? Do I still know them? | 1:19:57 | 1:19:59 | |
"My friends, are they still alive?" | 1:19:59 | 1:20:01 | |
All those things went through my mind very quickly. | 1:20:01 | 1:20:04 | |
Today you find a lot of people | 1:20:11 | 1:20:14 | |
talk about the suffering on Robben Island. | 1:20:14 | 1:20:17 | |
Yes, there was a lot of suffering, but I think | 1:20:17 | 1:20:20 | |
there's too much focus on that. | 1:20:20 | 1:20:22 | |
And that sort of thing worries me. | 1:20:22 | 1:20:24 | |
The people who really suffered, I believe, | 1:20:24 | 1:20:28 | |
were the families we left behind, the wives and the children. | 1:20:28 | 1:20:32 | |
It was very, very, very emotional. | 1:20:34 | 1:20:38 | |
The idea of going into the ship | 1:20:38 | 1:20:40 | |
and going back to the mainland and going home. | 1:20:40 | 1:20:43 | |
June '76, the students' uprising, right? | 1:20:43 | 1:20:49 | |
Those are some things that were inspiring us. | 1:20:49 | 1:20:52 | |
They were making us more stronger. | 1:20:52 | 1:20:54 | |
And we felt that liberation was just very near. | 1:20:54 | 1:21:01 | |
Those were students, | 1:21:01 | 1:21:03 | |
they were like soldiers in school uniforms. | 1:21:05 | 1:21:08 | |
They fought bravely, you know, against the police. | 1:21:08 | 1:21:12 | |
And they were arrested in droves and were sent to the island. | 1:21:12 | 1:21:16 | |
Young people who were coming in | 1:21:40 | 1:21:41 | |
were very enthusiastic footballers themselves. | 1:21:41 | 1:21:44 | |
So they needed no encouragement in terms of keeping | 1:21:44 | 1:21:49 | |
and adhering to the structures that had been put in place. | 1:21:49 | 1:21:55 | |
We feel quite pleased sometimes that at least we left something | 1:21:55 | 1:22:00 | |
that could guide people or make people understand how we tried to live our lives. | 1:22:00 | 1:22:07 | |
And I think, hopefully, that should be the sort of thing | 1:22:07 | 1:22:11 | |
that should get people to understand the way forward, in a sense. | 1:22:11 | 1:22:16 | |
One could say that we passed on the baton, | 1:22:16 | 1:22:20 | |
we passed on the legacy to them, we passed on the game. | 1:22:20 | 1:22:24 | |
It was more than a game. | 1:22:25 | 1:22:27 | |
# I see in your eyes | 1:22:30 | 1:22:35 | |
# The sad history of our times | 1:22:37 | 1:22:43 | |
# The violent days of betrayal | 1:22:43 | 1:22:49 | |
# The screaming of the innocents | 1:22:50 | 1:22:54 | |
# As people were gunned down | 1:22:54 | 1:22:58 | |
# Many disappearing without a trace | 1:22:58 | 1:23:06 | |
# Mmm, whoa-oh-oh-oh | 1:23:07 | 1:23:15 | |
# Whoa-oh-oh | 1:23:17 | 1:23:24 | |
# You were banished to an island | 1:23:24 | 1:23:27 | |
# A place beyond hope | 1:23:27 | 1:23:30 | |
# Yet you stood proud and tall | 1:23:32 | 1:23:35 | |
# And a new hope dawned | 1:23:35 | 1:23:40 | |
# And the joy | 1:23:40 | 1:23:45 | |
# Of your dreams | 1:23:45 | 1:23:48 | |
# Set you free | 1:23:48 | 1:23:52 | |
# Will set you free | 1:23:52 | 1:23:56 | |
# Free | 1:23:56 | 1:24:03 | |
# Ah-ah | 1:24:03 | 1:24:07 | |
# Let my angry words reflect the story of your life | 1:24:07 | 1:24:12 | |
# Keep on | 1:24:12 | 1:24:14 | |
# As the pain still dances in your eyes | 1:24:14 | 1:24:18 | |
# Keep on caring, sharing | 1:24:18 | 1:24:23 | |
# Tenderness and faith | 1:24:23 | 1:24:26 | |
# Must thrive | 1:24:26 | 1:24:28 | |
# Keep this feeling alive | 1:24:28 | 1:24:33 | |
# Let our hearts be strengthened on the road | 1:24:33 | 1:24:36 | |
# All the hope | 1:24:36 | 1:24:42 | |
# I see in your eyes... # | 1:24:42 | 1:24:49 | |
The 2010 FIFA World Cup | 1:24:49 | 1:24:54 | |
will be organised in South Africa. | 1:24:54 | 1:24:57 | |
CHEERING | 1:24:57 | 1:24:59 | |
# And their spirit sings today | 1:24:59 | 1:25:01 | |
# Mmm-hmm | 1:25:01 | 1:25:04 | |
# For the colours of a new day | 1:25:04 | 1:25:13 | |
# And my spirit sings today | 1:25:58 | 1:26:02 | |
# Mmm-hmm | 1:26:02 | 1:26:05 | |
# For the colours of a new day | 1:26:05 | 1:26:15 | |
# Calling | 1:26:41 | 1:26:43 | |
# The spirit of Ubuntu. # | 1:26:43 | 1:26:47 | |
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