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This programme contains some strong language,

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and some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.

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I was in my office at work...

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..and I got a call, from an international number.

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I always answer...

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For the last three years,

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when it was an international call, I would answer it. And, uh...

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it was a reporter in Dublin...

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..wanted a reaction to the story.

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I said, reaction for what?

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And they were really caught back by that question, obviously.

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I said, I'll call you back in five minutes. And so then I went online.

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I saw the picture.

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It's not the way you want to find out.

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Name the sports newspaper that hit US newsstands in 1990.

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-BLEEP

-James?

-The National?

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-It was.

-APPLAUSE

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Ladies and gentlemen, please help me welcome Mr James Foley.

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APPLAUSE

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Thanks for that generous,

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overly generous... LAUGHTER

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..introduction.

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I'm definitely not a hero, or noble, or anything.

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I'm just...

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trying to do my work.

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And...got into a little bit of trouble.

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I arrived in Benghazi, mid-March.

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And the night I arrived, I heard nothing but bombs and gunfire.

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I wondered, what's going on?

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Another journalist said, the bombs, that is Gelatina,

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that's how they fish.

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LAUGHTER

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Blow the fish up!

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And the gunfire, no, that's celebratory gunfire.

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HEAVY MACHINE GUN FIRE

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I think in some ways Libya WAS a turning point for Jim.

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You know, I was starting to see his trying to figure out where

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he belonged in the world.

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And he wanted to write, and he loved people,

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and liked to interact,

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tell people's stories.

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So when Jim decided he wanted to go into journalism from teaching,

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at first we thought, that would be good,

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maybe that'll be a better fit, Jim.

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But when he decided to do conflict journalism...

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SHE SIGHS

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..you know, that was a whole different deal.

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He didn't exactly tell us.

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HE CHUCKLES

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He graduated from Medill,

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and we said, Jim, what are you going to do?

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And he said, well, I'm... I'm working on it.

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He came back to my house, and he told me. He was like...

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"Hey, John, I'm thinking about going to Libya."

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Jim, that's a horrible idea.

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Absolutely a horrible idea.

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If you go over there...

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..no-one's coming for you.

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Why would you put your life in danger?

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We're dropping bombs over there.

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And God forbid, if you go over there, and...

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-HE CHUCKLES

-..we accidentally kill you!

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I mean...why?

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Why?

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Libya was very exciting as a journalist because you had this

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chance to talk directly to people, to see exactly what was going on.

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But it was also extremely dangerous.

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I was actually talking to one of my buddies,

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boasting about my brother, Jim,

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and how he is this journalist

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and is like super crazy,

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but like badass at the same time. You know?

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I was like, yeah, my brother's a badass.

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You know, he's crazy, he's awesome.

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I also was very naive myself,

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I didn't know exactly what that would mean,

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I didn't know he was actually

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going to be immersed

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in actual, like, crossfire.

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There's snipers in this building...

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EXPLOSIONS

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We have decided to go in.

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It's heavy fighting.

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This is Jim Foley, reporting from downtown Benghazi,

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Revolutionary Square, Global Post.

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Jim was there at the early stage of this movement

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of there being more freelancers

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in conflict areas.

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The world has changed so much in terms of digital publishing,

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and newspapers started to eliminate things

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that they didn't see as essential.

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International coverage dwindled down to very little.

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So we saw an opportunity to fill that void,

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and we needed to work with freelancers.

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Freelancers decide to work together just on the basis of

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this initial quick-read chemistry.

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I saw this new guy,

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who I hadn't met before,

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he looked friendly enough, so I said, hey, what's up?

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He said, oh, not much, going to the front line.

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And he'd heard a lot about Libya,

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and the fact that it was very cheap to work,

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rebels and protesters were eager to show us their side of the story,

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you know, they driving us all over for free,

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they were translating for us for free.

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I'd seen Jim talking to a few other journalists,

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and he was just really friendly with everybody.

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It was unusual, in a place like that.

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There's still an edge of competitiveness in that environment

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whereas Jim, was just,

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like, yeah, whatever.

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He gave off a really good first impression.

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And, you know, it helps that he's like a super good-looking guy,

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and I was just, who is this guy?!

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-Who are you?!

-LAUGHTER

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HE GROANS

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Jim had a high tolerance for danger.

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EXPLOSION

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Shit!

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I mean, sure, he was drawn to that. All of us are, in a way.

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The fact that he stayed so calm made it easy to feel calm

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in that situation.

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But of course, sometimes I was just like, well, that's crazy,

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I'm not going there with you!

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It was one of those mornings

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where we decided we were going to get out there early,

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we wanted to get a fresh look at the front lines.

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It was myself, Clare Gillis, Manu Brabo and Anton Hammerl,

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a South African photojournalist.

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This was something common that some reporters did,

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freelancers like myself that didn't have big budgets.

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We jump in with the rebels.

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And it was at your own risk if you wanted to go further or not.

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Got to the point where we saw another group of rebels saying,

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Gaddafi forces, 300 metres away.

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And myself, looking at Clare, like, pfft, that's impossible.

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And I remember Anton turning to me and saying, hey, this isn't safe.

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But we didn't turn around.

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And we said, well, let's get off the road, anyways.

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Well, that was the exact wrong thing to do.

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Two heavily armed Gaddafi pick-up trucks came over that rise, firing.

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MACHINE GUNS ROARING

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I remember so clearly the sound of it, the volume of it,

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the sound of something eating metal.

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And I remember hoping against hope

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that there would be some kind of out out of this,

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there would be some kind of trap door...in time.

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I crawled back to the sand dune,

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Anton was at the other sand dune in front of me.

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I heard him call for help.

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It appeared he was cut across the midsection with AK fire,

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and it was a serious amount of blood.

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He had already lost consciousness, and probably already died.

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A group of young soldiers approached me,

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and we were thrown in the back of a truck.

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I remember getting photographed with a cellphone.

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And thinking, this is where they find all these photographs

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that are evidence of war crimes someday.

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And realising, this is me now.

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I was with my mother.

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We were out to lunch, and I received a phone call.

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And...

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that's how we first heard, you know?

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I think I was in denial about how dangerous this really was, Brian.

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I was furious.

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Just furious.

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Scared for him. Furious.

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Hate to revisit, but just, like, I told you, Jim!

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I think we all went through the stages of total shock,

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you know, and then...

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just...

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what are we going to do?

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And then anger...

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After all, we're family, you know?

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You're so humble, you lost everything.

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Your freedom.

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Your control.

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Your ability to talk to anybody, and tell anybody you're OK.

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Thinking one minute, oh, yeah, I'm a foreign correspondent!

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And the next minute, somebody who you respect,

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killed,

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and you have nothing.

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Jim was concerned that his own competitiveness

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with Manu, with Anton, with himself,

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his own sort of macho aggressiveness,

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had driven him to make decisions that were not the best decisions.

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Every day I have to deal with the fact that

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Anton is not going to ever see his three kids any more.

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And I was part of that decision-making process...

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..that took him away, that took him away from his kids and his wife.

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And I had a lot of time to play over those moments,

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especially that one day when we were captured.

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I tried to question myself. What are you reporting on?

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What is this all about?

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It was quickly apparent that this was about

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being what you think is an authentic conflict correspondent,

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seeing the front line,

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and it not being enough to just see it from a distance,

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but to push it to the next level.

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You were basically waiting to get shelled,

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and the question is...why?

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You know... why are you doing this?

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It's a nightmare, each day becomes harder,

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you know, with the lacking information.

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We know he's in Tripoli, we believe he's in a detention centre,

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we really don't know much more beyond that.

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We organised this huge group of Jimmy's friends,

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we called them FOJs, Friends Of Jim.

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We had a lot of outside help,

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but Michael was sort of the CEO of the group.

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His statement was, you know, there are no measurables

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other than getting Jim home.

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Our biggest fear is that it becomes yesterday's story,

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and people forget about it.

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We love Jim and we miss him. We want him home.

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After successful diplomatic negotiations,

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two American journalists and a Spanish journalist

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are finally going home

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after being kidnapped and detained by the Libyan government forces

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for 44 days.

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-KATIE:

-All the family and friends were all together, waiting for them.

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And all of a sudden, we see these blue lights just rushing at us.

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SIREN APPROACHING

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We're like, oh, my God, this is Jim, he's, like, actually here.

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I don't know, it was like a movie.

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He was just so happy to see everybody!

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You have a close call.

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That's pure luck that you didn't get killed, there.

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It is not worth seeing your mother, father bawling,

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and worrying about your grandmother dying,

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because you're in prison, it's not worth these things.

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And outside, in my parents' home,

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in, you know, a comfortable house in New Hampshire,

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I sort of had to start processing.

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I was horrified to learn how much my friends and family had done

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to help me. I was inspired and I was horrified.

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It was a weird feeling of like going to your own funeral, you know?

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There's no going back from something like this.

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Some of the things I'll never be able to change,

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but I wish, I wish that I could.

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What are we going to do?

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That's Jim's blazer from when he spoke at Marquette. This brown one.

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We'll just have to go through.

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Yeah, so Jim lived with us for what, three months?

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Summer, summer after he was released from Libya.

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That was his bed, right there.

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He would always...

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crash out there.

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It was cool having Jim here,

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especially after him

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having been gone in Libya,

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because...

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I think when he came back...

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You know, like, you just wanted to touch him a lot,

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because, I don't know, for me, it was like, poke him,

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just make sure he's real, and it was almost...

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-You're just more appreciative of him.

-Right.

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And especially with the kids, you know,

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getting to have him here, because he was always on the go.

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BURBLING AND LAUGHING

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When Jim came back from Libya,

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I offered him a full-time job,

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here, as an editor...

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..while he sorted out what he would do next,

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and he sat right outside my office.

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He was grateful to have the job,

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but...working in an office was clearly not what he...

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what he liked the most.

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He was quiet.

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I don't want to say he was withdrawn,

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but he was quiet.

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And I just remember, like, Brad, my fiance, and Jim

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were in the basement,

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and Brad doesn't even remember a time when Jim was sleeping.

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You know, after the family had kind of settled down,

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Jim just went right to business, right to work.

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We had found him a very good psychologist to talk to.

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But he seemed so well, if you will...

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that we didn't push it.

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But he was so restless here at home, he didn't want to be at home.

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Feeling like you survived something,

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there's a strange sort of force that you are drawn back to.

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I think that's the absolute reality.

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I believe that front line journalism is important.

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Without these photos and videos and first-hand experience,

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we can't really...tell the world

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how bad it might be.

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SHE SINGS SWEETLY

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HUGE BOOM

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CLATTERING OF DEBRIS

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SILENCE

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James Foley joins us now live

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from inside northern Syria,

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with more on what he saw.

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Tell us more about what you were able to witness.

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Yes, thank you.

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You've heard about indiscriminate shelling,

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but to see those bodies left over from a direct mortar hit

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was really shocking.

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It seemed like he started thinking about going to Syria

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and by the time he mentioned it,

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it was like he'd already kind of made up his mind.

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And he said he was going with John Cantlie,

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who's another colleague, British photojournalist,

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that we'd all met in Libya the year before.

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What's your name?

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-Jim.

-John.

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Jim and John!

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Johnny! You say, I love you! You say.

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LAUGHTER

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I don't know, I really didn't... REALLY get into it with Jim.

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I think I made it too easy for him.

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I mean...

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You know, it was something he wanted to do.

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And so we were trying to be supportive

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about his decision to do that. You know?

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The last conversation I ever had with Jim, I said to him,

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like, Jim, man, why do you keep going back into Syria?

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Like, I mean, what's it like?

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And he's like, it's crazy, it's crazy.

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I'm like, well,

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is it more dangerous than Libya?

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He was, like, yeah it's more dangerous than Libya!

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I'm like, you got captured in Libya!

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You couldn't talk him out of it.

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Jim chose one story in particular about this hospital,

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the Dar Al Shifa hospital in Aleppo.

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It was actually Jim's idea to spend a week in that hospital

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documenting what the doctors and the staff there

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were doing on a daily basis.

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We become the intimate chroniclers of this conflict,

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we don't have bureaus to go back to,

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you're there and every moment of it,

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you share with the locals.

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And I think there was just this enormous guilt

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that rode on Jim's back

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that made him feel so compelled to do much more than

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just...record video and file it.

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There were times where he was offering up video for free.

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And I would chastise him for it, I'd be like, what are you doing?

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He was, like, nah, you know, whatever, it's fine, it's all good,

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I just want to make sure the video gets out there.

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There was one day in August

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when a Syrian activist was taking us around this neighbourhood

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called Bustan Al Kasa.

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SHOUTING

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And this fighter jet just started circling above

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and just swooped right down,

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and hit a building that was a couple of hundred feet from us.

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MACHINE GUNS ROAR

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DULL BOOM

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We started seeing the civilians coming out...

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SHOUTING

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..and just clutching nothing, really, just, you know, ashen faces.

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There was rubble everywhere.

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It was chaos.

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HE SHOUTS PLAINTIVELY

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And the plane came round again,

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dropped another bomb, really close by,

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and actually we were right across the building.

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And we looked up and we could see the rubble start coming down.

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That bomb had hit a family...of...seven.

0:19:560:20:01

Who was killed?

0:20:060:20:08

Who?

0:20:090:20:10

It was horrific in the scale of it,

0:20:140:20:16

but also, just...

0:20:160:20:17

I think nothing prepares you for seeing kids being killed and maimed

0:20:170:20:21

in that way.

0:20:210:20:22

And I know that Jim really loves kids, so, you know, we were both...

0:20:220:20:25

We didn't say anything,

0:20:270:20:28

until we got to the field hospital where they were bringing the bodies,

0:20:280:20:32

and we were both in this mode of...

0:20:320:20:36

just needing to get the pictures out.

0:20:360:20:38

I think when we were finished that night, though,

0:20:380:20:41

we kind of like sat down, and lit a cigarette, and...

0:20:410:20:43

..we just started talking about it.

0:20:440:20:46

Really there wasn't very much to say, though. You know, like...

0:20:460:20:49

What is there to talk about when you witness something like that?

0:20:490:20:52

So we just sort of sat in silence.

0:20:530:20:54

The shine was starting to come off, in a way.

0:21:010:21:03

There was a period of time where journalists

0:21:040:21:07

were welcomed with open arms,

0:21:070:21:08

because they had seen what had happened in Libya,

0:21:080:21:12

and when that didn't come about, after a year,

0:21:120:21:14

after a year and a half,

0:21:140:21:16

after two years...

0:21:160:21:17

it's just like, OK, what are you guys doing?

0:21:170:21:19

I mean, I had a doctor tell me at the hospital,

0:21:190:21:21

he was like, look, you guys are in and out of here since one year

0:21:210:21:24

and it's the same exact thing, except it's worse.

0:21:240:21:27

I don't want to talk to you!

0:21:270:21:29

If the populace on the ground whose side you're documenting

0:21:310:21:36

is...getting more uneasy with you,

0:21:360:21:39

or less willing to help...

0:21:390:21:41

You're very dependent on

0:21:410:21:42

the goodwill of the people you're around.

0:21:420:21:45

They warned journalists, they were like, Al-Qaeda's coming,

0:22:130:22:16

maybe even worse than Al-Qaeda's coming,

0:22:160:22:18

and nobody is going to help us against the Assad regime,

0:22:180:22:21

except for...these guys.

0:22:210:22:23

So...it was all there.

0:22:240:22:25

One of the main things I noticed the last time when he came out,

0:22:300:22:34

he looked really hollow, and he was quite...

0:22:340:22:36

quite silent.

0:22:360:22:38

You know, he had that amazing room-brightening smile,

0:22:380:22:42

even if he had seen terrible things,

0:22:420:22:44

as one does.

0:22:440:22:45

It was disheartening to see.

0:22:450:22:47

I guess if I had any regrets, Brian, that I...

0:22:500:22:54

regret that I found it difficult to communicate with Jim.

0:22:540:22:57

I don't know if it's a male thing, you know, whatever it is,

0:22:570:23:00

but I just wish I was able to share more of who I was with Jimmy,

0:23:000:23:04

and get him to share who he was with me,

0:23:040:23:06

which might have been just as difficult. You know?

0:23:060:23:08

He was home, end of October, right before he went back to Syria,

0:23:100:23:14

that last time.

0:23:140:23:15

And he was going...

0:23:150:23:17

I remember, he was leaving here,

0:23:170:23:18

and he was going to New York to get a helmet from somebody.

0:23:180:23:21

Which was good, we were like...

0:23:210:23:22

Getting safety equipment, we like this.

0:23:220:23:25

Yeah, I remember, we left him, we dropped him off at a train station.

0:23:250:23:28

And, you know, we were going to see him in December,

0:23:280:23:31

-he was supposed to come...

-That's right, you have a good memory.

0:23:310:23:33

He was supposed to come home mid-December.

0:23:330:23:36

And, you know, we were like, be safe! You know? See you soon.

0:23:360:23:38

-And...unfortunately, that didn't...

-Yep.

0:23:380:23:42

Yep.

0:23:420:23:43

-SHE SNIFFS

-Sorry.

0:23:490:23:50

It's OK. I think that's enough.

0:23:500:23:52

CRUNCHING OF FOOTSTEPS

0:23:580:24:00

-NICOLE:

-We'd spent the beginning of November in Aleppo again,

0:24:060:24:09

with Jim, John Cantlie, and Mustapha, our translator,

0:24:090:24:13

who's become a friend of ours.

0:24:130:24:15

I had had some issues with my camera that week.

0:24:150:24:18

So...I was like, Jim, I've got to go back to Istanbul.

0:24:180:24:21

I'll see you guys in a week.

0:24:210:24:23

You know, the moment when I said bye to Jim,

0:24:250:24:28

I had this feeling of reluctance to leave.

0:24:280:24:32

I think in a way,

0:24:330:24:34

it maybe did upset the balance that he and I had shared for so long.

0:24:340:24:37

There are superstitions when you're in a war zone.

0:24:390:24:41

SHE CHUCKLES

0:24:410:24:42

There was like this one thing that he and I shared,

0:24:440:24:47

which was our lucky lighter.

0:24:470:24:49

It's very common in the Middle East, it's, like, the evil eye,

0:24:490:24:51

to ward off evil spirits, you know?

0:24:510:24:53

We used it for everything,

0:24:530:24:54

and for some reason it never ran out of lighter fluid.

0:24:540:24:57

It's just like this stupid idea,

0:24:570:24:58

you put your hopes into one object,

0:24:580:25:01

to make it feel safe.

0:25:010:25:03

I think about it a lot, afterwards,

0:25:050:25:07

that he didn't have it with him.

0:25:070:25:09

Maybe if I just gave him the lucky lighter

0:25:110:25:14

everything would have turned out OK, I don't know.

0:25:140:25:17

That day, I was in Reyhanli, which is the border town,

0:25:190:25:24

and I would have seen him at about five.

0:25:240:25:26

So I checked in, and I told Jim, I'm like, hey, you know, I'm here.

0:25:270:25:31

So text me when you get in.

0:25:320:25:34

You know, five o'clock rolls by, and I start to worry.

0:25:350:25:38

Seven o'clock, eight o'clock rolls around,

0:25:390:25:41

and I'm like, something is really wrong.

0:25:410:25:43

So I called Mustapha,

0:25:430:25:45

and the first thing he said to me was, "Nicole, I'm so sorry."

0:25:450:25:49

"I didn't... I couldn't do anything."

0:25:510:25:53

I was like, what are you talking about? What happened?

0:25:530:25:56

He was like, "You know, we were coming. We were in the taxi.

0:25:560:25:58

"We were coming to Turkey to meet you,

0:25:580:26:00

"and this van with these four guys with guns,

0:26:000:26:04

"they stopped us on the road.

0:26:040:26:06

"And they told us to get out,

0:26:060:26:08

"and they were pointing their guns at us and screaming.

0:26:080:26:11

"And the gunmen made Mustapha tie up their hands,

0:26:110:26:15

"and they put John and Jim into the back of their van."

0:26:150:26:18

So I hung up, and I just started crying. I was like...

0:26:210:26:25

I didn't know if I was going to see Jim again.

0:26:300:26:32

And that was the first thought that came to my head.

0:26:320:26:34

-JOHN SENIOR:

-It's, like, almost surreal.

0:26:400:26:42

This is a bad dream. It's not...

0:26:420:26:44

It's not really happening, you know. It's not happening.

0:26:440:26:47

This can't be. This can't happen.

0:26:470:26:49

We can't do this again.

0:26:490:26:50

HE SIGHS

0:26:530:26:54

Yeah, it was...

0:26:550:26:56

You know, and I dove in just like before,

0:26:560:26:59

like, OK, it's going to be 45 to 100 days of hell,

0:26:590:27:02

and then we'll have him back.

0:27:020:27:03

In a matter of a week you could tell

0:27:040:27:06

it was very different.

0:27:060:27:07

A lot of misinformation,

0:27:070:27:09

as opposed to last time in Libya.

0:27:090:27:10

After a week went by,

0:27:100:27:12

we knew where he was,

0:27:120:27:13

who to deal with,

0:27:130:27:14

so we just concentrated on the routes to get to one person.

0:27:140:27:17

Here was a mystery right out of a crime show or something,

0:27:170:27:19

where you're trying to piece together bits of information.

0:27:190:27:22

For the next three weeks, there was just dead ends

0:27:230:27:26

and false information,

0:27:260:27:28

and rumours, and people being scared of talking

0:27:280:27:31

because they had a suspicion of who, maybe, was responsible,

0:27:310:27:35

and they didn't want to get entangled in it.

0:27:350:27:37

-DIANE:

-Phil Balboni offered to stand up a security team

0:27:370:27:41

to try to find Jim,

0:27:410:27:43

so all these people were trying so hard to get in place,

0:27:430:27:47

but it was a very, very chaotic,

0:27:470:27:49

confusing time.

0:27:490:27:50

You're on eggshells.

0:27:530:27:54

You're just waiting to hear.

0:27:540:27:56

It's exhausting.

0:27:560:27:57

And I know Jim felt guilty for that,

0:27:570:27:59

and I'm not trying to make him feel more guilty.

0:27:590:28:02

But it's just, it's just the toll that's taken by the families.

0:28:030:28:07

BRIAN, DIRECTOR: What were the hurdles

0:28:090:28:10

getting the White House and FBI involved?

0:28:100:28:12

-MICHAEL:

-It was very tough to get action.

0:28:120:28:14

And I understand that, you know, the world's a big place.

0:28:140:28:16

So I actually felt guilty sometimes, trying not to ask too much of them.

0:28:160:28:22

You know, Jim made this decision, but, you know,

0:28:220:28:24

just give it your best attention, and...we'll trust you.

0:28:240:28:27

That's kind of where it started, the relationship.

0:28:270:28:30

And then I met the first agent that came over...

0:28:310:28:34

..and...just a kid, out of school.

0:28:350:28:38

And his first question to me was,

0:28:380:28:39

had I asked the regime for assistance?

0:28:390:28:42

Are you fucking kidding me?

0:28:420:28:43

Have I called the regime and ask them for assistance?

0:28:430:28:45

No, I hadn't thought of that, thank you,

0:28:460:28:48

thank you very much for that tip.

0:28:480:28:50

They told us... They advised us to be quiet,

0:28:500:28:53

because, hopefully, you know, they could find him and get him out,

0:28:530:28:57

and such. So we didn't say anything.

0:28:570:28:59

So we went through Christmas and all that, you know,

0:28:590:29:02

not telling anyone but our closest family that Jim was missing.

0:29:020:29:05

In some ways...it was better,

0:29:070:29:10

because I didn't have to explain it.

0:29:100:29:11

Cos at times it could feel like...

0:29:120:29:14

accusatory, like, "Well, he WAS in Syria."

0:29:140:29:17

That's not fair.

0:29:170:29:18

You don't do that with police, or firemen, or someone like that,

0:29:200:29:23

who do dangerous jobs.

0:29:230:29:24

You don't say, well, you were in a fire,

0:29:240:29:26

what did you think would happen?

0:29:260:29:27

My friend doesn't need to explain why he's a journalist.

0:29:270:29:30

-MC:

-4...3...2...

0:29:300:29:32

Come the New Year,

0:29:320:29:33

I couldn't stand it.

0:29:330:29:35

I was frantic.

0:29:350:29:36

-MC:

-Happy New Year!

0:29:360:29:37

So WE chose to go public.

0:29:370:29:39

I appeal to the people who have Jim to give us some information

0:29:400:29:44

in terms of his welfare, his health.

0:29:440:29:46

It breaks my heart that

0:29:460:29:48

the persons who have captured him

0:29:480:29:52

don't understand his goodness.

0:29:520:29:54

My personal feeling is that silence helps two people.

0:29:550:29:58

One is the government.

0:29:590:30:00

It doesn't push them to do more, sooner.

0:30:000:30:03

And the captors, it allows them to do whatever they want.

0:30:030:30:06

It's difficult now, with all the talk about the Islamic State,

0:30:070:30:12

they've become so famous, or infamous,

0:30:120:30:16

but the Islamic State, Isis, Isil, was on nobody's radar at the time.

0:30:160:30:21

With a very high degree of confidence,

0:30:220:30:25

we now believe that Jim was abducted by

0:30:250:30:28

a pro-government militia group,

0:30:280:30:30

and was subsequently turned over to Syrian government forces.

0:30:300:30:33

This is the first time we've really heard anything like this,

0:30:330:30:36

so we have hope, as John says.

0:30:360:30:39

You know?

0:30:390:30:40

Well, it turned out we were dead wrong about that.

0:30:400:30:42

-MICHAEL:

-All the information upfront

0:30:440:30:46

was just a bunch of BS.

0:30:460:30:47

No-one knew what the heck they were

0:30:470:30:49

talking about, cos we had no access.

0:30:490:30:51

That whole year, I don't care what anyone says, all the efforts,

0:30:510:30:54

all the leads, all this and that...

0:30:540:30:55

We were in the wrong area of the country.

0:30:570:30:59

You know, and Syria's about the size of New England, maybe,

0:30:590:31:02

a little smaller.

0:31:020:31:03

So, here you go, Brian, go in to New England.

0:31:030:31:05

Find Jim.

0:31:050:31:06

I think the moment I'd learned that he'd been kidnapped,

0:31:070:31:10

I was just like, this is going to be a really long process.

0:31:100:31:12

But I'm going to do anything that I can in my power to get him home,

0:31:140:31:18

because...

0:31:180:31:19

..because I can't stand the thought of him being in a cell somewhere,

0:31:210:31:24

cold and hungry,

0:31:240:31:25

and I can't sit here and not try to look for him.

0:31:250:31:28

My name is Daniel,

0:31:460:31:47

and I'm a Danish photojournalist.

0:31:470:31:49

I started as a gymnast...

0:31:510:31:53

..and while I spent all my time in gyms all around the world

0:31:540:31:57

during gymnastics, I got bored

0:31:570:32:00

when I didn't do anything else,

0:32:000:32:01

and I started to take pictures.

0:32:010:32:03

I only planned to be inside Syria for two days.

0:32:070:32:10

I had one day of work,

0:32:120:32:14

when I walked around this small, quiet town.

0:32:140:32:18

Yeah, it was spring.

0:32:200:32:21

So the weather started to get better,

0:32:220:32:24

and people seemed happy and relaxed.

0:32:240:32:27

And we were told to go and speak to some guys in the area.

0:32:290:32:34

Very calmly, we were sitting on sofas,

0:32:370:32:39

they were offering tea.

0:32:390:32:40

Everything was calm and quiet,

0:32:410:32:43

even though I knew that something was...strange.

0:32:430:32:47

Something was wrong.

0:32:470:32:48

And then they just asked me to stand up.

0:32:490:32:51

And they took off my glasses, and they're just, don't worry, Dan,

0:32:510:32:56

this is just a procedure.

0:32:560:32:57

That was how everything began.

0:33:000:33:01

So, you know,

0:33:010:33:02

a quiet Sunday, beautiful spring morning,

0:33:020:33:05

became a nightmare for me.

0:33:050:33:06

The longer you are hostage, the easier it becomes in some way.

0:33:150:33:19

The better you get at it.

0:33:190:33:21

I had, I think, like, one, one and a half months by myself.

0:33:210:33:24

And after, I believe, two and a half months,

0:33:240:33:28

I was put together with two other Westerners,

0:33:280:33:32

and then we were put together, four.

0:33:320:33:34

I think we were five together, and then seven together,

0:33:340:33:37

and then came another one, eight.

0:33:370:33:38

Then it just started to evolve.

0:33:390:33:41

-DIDIER:

-We were in that cell,

0:33:520:33:53

British,

0:33:530:33:54

Americans,

0:33:540:33:56

French,

0:33:560:33:57

Italian,

0:33:570:33:58

German,

0:33:580:33:59

Danish,

0:33:590:34:00

Russian,

0:34:000:34:01

Spanish.

0:34:010:34:02

We were 19 at one stage.

0:34:020:34:03

And one day, we had to sit faces to the wall, so...

0:35:410:35:45

but I could see, like, under my arms.

0:35:450:35:48

I could see some mattresses was moved in,

0:35:480:35:50

and there came some guys in traditional Syrian clothes.

0:35:500:35:55

And then they closed the door again,

0:35:550:35:56

boom, the big metal door.

0:35:560:35:58

And I looked up, and there was James and John Cantlie.

0:35:580:36:01

And everybody was like, yay, welcome, welcome, welcome!

0:36:030:36:05

You know, it's two new friends.

0:36:050:36:07

You know, I created this picture in my head

0:36:170:36:20

of this big, like, war journalist.

0:36:200:36:22

And so I could only get disappointed in a way when he...

0:36:220:36:26

I remember him being like... Er...

0:36:270:36:29

"What's happening?"

0:36:300:36:32

That was basically the first time I met him.

0:36:320:36:34

But it was really different to be put together with James and John,

0:36:360:36:40

because they've been together in prison for almost a year,

0:36:400:36:43

when I first saw them.

0:36:430:36:45

They was the most experienced of us,

0:36:450:36:48

and I started from the beginning,

0:36:480:36:50

and I think the whole group started to lean a little bit against them.

0:36:500:36:54

James was very silent, most of the time.

0:37:400:37:43

He was very good at listening.

0:37:430:37:45

He managed to make the room bigger, in a way,

0:37:460:37:48

by being small himself.

0:37:480:37:50

And that is a very, very difficult thing to be.

0:37:500:37:53

And you really want to scream in the head of everybody, like, fuck off!

0:37:530:37:57

I remember, one time, James was asked to stand up the whole night...

0:39:110:39:15

..in the middle of the room.

0:39:160:39:18

Late at night,

0:40:260:40:28

there was no light at all.

0:40:280:40:29

So we was just sitting there in complete darkness.

0:40:290:40:32

And that time really, really, really went slowly.

0:40:330:40:36

What we did, James and I,

0:40:380:40:39

we started to develop a way of...

0:40:390:40:42

passing through these hours of darkness,

0:40:420:40:45

by giving each other, like, massages.

0:40:450:40:48

And it sounds maybe a little bit, you know...

0:40:490:40:52

..strange, or gay, or whatever, but...

0:40:540:40:56

But there was something... there was something nice about it.

0:40:590:41:02

And James asked,

0:41:030:41:04

"Can you teach me how to give, like, a real nice massage,

0:41:040:41:07

"so when I get out and I meet a woman, I can really impress her?"

0:41:070:41:12

So we started having these kind of lessons, you know?

0:41:130:41:17

Our body had witnessed a lot of...trauma,

0:41:170:41:21

and the fact that somebody is actually touching you,

0:41:210:41:24

and it's a NICE feeling,

0:41:240:41:26

for me it was a nice way to feel a little bit human again.

0:41:260:41:29

And James, he never learned how to give a proper massage.

0:41:300:41:33

It was awful every time,

0:41:330:41:35

so he really...

0:41:350:41:36

he really managed to get a good deal out of that one.

0:41:360:41:39

I remember one time, we were given a lot of dates to eat.

0:42:370:42:41

And at some point, we were moved,

0:42:410:42:43

and you just don't leave food behind or destroy it or whatever.

0:42:430:42:48

But sometimes, you have to do it because there's nowhere to put it.

0:42:480:42:51

Then James just took out his pants,

0:43:100:43:12

and he took out like two kilos of dates!

0:43:120:43:14

You know, "Don't worry, guys!"

0:43:140:43:16

He could have taken all the food by himself,

0:43:190:43:21

later that night or whatever,

0:43:210:43:23

but he always took the things

0:43:230:43:24

so he could share it around, or give it to the people who didn't have it.

0:43:240:43:27

In the beginning of James and John's captivity,

0:44:400:44:43

they were really starved.

0:44:430:44:44

They didn't like to talk about it,

0:44:450:44:47

they didn't find it very interesting to talk about.

0:44:470:44:49

But one thing I know was that...

0:44:490:44:51

..that they really, really, really had a difficult time.

0:44:550:44:57

But they managed to get back on track,

0:44:590:45:02

to gain strength again.

0:45:020:45:04

It was very interesting to see what happened between James and John,

0:45:060:45:10

because they've been together for almost a year when I first saw them,

0:45:100:45:14

that meant that they have spoken about

0:45:140:45:16

every single thing there is to talk about.

0:45:160:45:19

So I was basically the one starting to listen to

0:45:190:45:22

all of James' story again.

0:45:220:45:24

There was a period of time in the prison

0:45:290:45:31

where we was not interrupted by the guards very often.

0:45:310:45:35

And that meant that we could get a routine,

0:45:350:45:37

so we worked out,

0:45:370:45:39

we did trivias.

0:45:390:45:40

We had lectures and stuff like this.

0:45:400:45:43

We managed after, I don't know,

0:45:430:45:44

three weeks, one month or so,

0:45:440:45:46

to make this Risk game.

0:45:460:45:48

We had a small bucket that we received some yoghurt in,

0:46:090:46:13

and we cut out a piece of cardboard and we made three lines,

0:46:130:46:17

and we put it in the bottom of the bucket.

0:46:170:46:19

And then you should hold up a date seed and let it go.

0:46:190:46:23

Plop. Let it fall down.

0:46:230:46:25

And whatever it landed on, it would be that number.

0:46:250:46:28

So that was our dice for the game.

0:46:280:46:30

You know, take, like, ten journalists, war.

0:46:420:46:45

Put them into one room and make them play the game

0:46:450:46:48

about taking control over the world, you know?

0:46:480:46:52

It's basically like putting gasoline to a bonfire.

0:46:520:46:54

We started to have our own small world.

0:47:280:47:31

That made everything much easier to survive, in a way.

0:47:320:47:36

It was much easier to understand.

0:47:360:47:38

We didn't have to think about economy,

0:47:400:47:42

we didn't have to think about bank loans,

0:47:420:47:45

or the prices of gas at the moment.

0:47:450:47:48

You adapt into the situation.

0:47:500:47:53

And then suddenly, this whole thing becomes a part of your life.

0:47:530:47:57

And this is your life.

0:47:570:47:58

When you look back on it, that's what I remember, our small society,

0:47:590:48:04

where we really started to know each other.

0:48:040:48:06

You know who made this fart,

0:48:060:48:09

you can smell, this is the fart of you.

0:48:090:48:11

I remember James' 40-year-old birthday.

0:48:320:48:36

It was late at night, it was completely dark.

0:48:360:48:38

James just... "Oh."

0:48:380:48:40

"By the way...I turned 40 today."

0:48:410:48:45

I was just, like, what?!

0:48:450:48:46

So we sang a song for him,

0:48:460:48:48

and I remember that we said we hope it will be a much better birthday

0:48:480:48:52

next year.

0:48:520:48:53

HE LAUGHS

0:49:120:49:14

CHATTERING AND LAUGHTER

0:49:280:49:30

Right here!

0:49:300:49:31

One, two and three.

0:49:310:49:33

Come on, smile! Please!

0:49:330:49:35

Nine, good.

0:49:350:49:36

We've been through a lot together.

0:49:360:49:38

Michael has co-signed loans for me.

0:49:380:49:41

LAUGHTER

0:49:410:49:43

He's lent me his professional clothes.

0:49:430:49:45

LAUGHTER

0:49:450:49:46

His car.

0:49:460:49:47

His dental plan.

0:49:470:49:48

LAUGHTER

0:49:480:49:50

I think sometimes we struggle to understand each other,

0:49:500:49:53

and where exactly we're coming from, and why we do the things we do.

0:49:530:49:57

Michael has entirely too much common sense.

0:49:570:49:59

CHUCKLING

0:49:590:50:01

And sometimes I have entirely too little common sense.

0:50:010:50:04

We've somehow grown closer, despite the differences.

0:50:040:50:08

And it's...

0:50:080:50:10

I guess it's about being brothers.

0:50:100:50:12

'I'd say the first 100, 150 days,

0:50:140:50:16

'I was all in.

0:50:160:50:18

'But I definitely retracted

0:50:180:50:20

'pretty strongly after that.'

0:50:200:50:21

I have a lot of regrets about not...

0:50:220:50:25

not continuing full steam.

0:50:250:50:26

I don't know if it was because I was trying to protect myself,

0:50:280:50:31

or I was just trying to protect my family and, you know,

0:50:310:50:35

give the kids the attention I have.

0:50:350:50:37

You know, I could...argue that that's what Jim would prefer and...

0:50:370:50:41

I don't know, there's all kinds of...excuses or reasons,

0:50:410:50:44

but it's something I do feel terrible about.

0:50:440:50:46

But then I got pulled right back into it very strongly

0:50:480:50:50

and very immediately when the first e-mail came to me.

0:50:500:50:54

"Hello.

0:50:540:50:55

"We have James and want to negotiate for him. He is safe.

0:50:550:51:00

"He's our friend, and we do not want to hurt him.

0:51:000:51:03

"If you want cooperation, we have rules.

0:51:030:51:05

"You cannot go to the media ever about this.

0:51:050:51:08

"If you do, we will not negotiate.

0:51:080:51:10

"We want money fast!"

0:51:100:51:12

We shared everything we have with everybody.

0:51:120:51:14

You know, FBI knew, security team knew, everyone knew.

0:51:140:51:16

They said just keep them talking and all that.

0:51:160:51:19

"They're just beginning the negotiations, we've got time,

0:51:190:51:22

"just keep at it."

0:51:220:51:23

So I, after coordinating with some officials, replied to them.

0:51:230:51:26

"Please provide us with proof that you have Jim,

0:51:300:51:32

"and we will be happy to work things out with you."

0:51:320:51:35

We still didn't know who was holding him.

0:51:360:51:38

It was obvious that they were people against the Assad regime.

0:51:380:51:41

But they didn't identify themselves any more than that at all.

0:51:410:51:44

They were very shrewd.

0:51:440:51:46

And their e-mails, unfortunately, were totally undetectable.

0:51:460:51:50

About a week goes by, and they responded.

0:51:500:51:53

"James Wright Foley is being detained by us.

0:51:530:51:56

"At this stage, no video or picture evidence of his wellbeing

0:51:560:51:58

"will be provided until we see tangible progress

0:51:580:52:01

"in your efforts to negotiate.

0:52:010:52:03

"However, you will be allowed to ask

0:52:030:52:04

"three questions of a personal nature

0:52:040:52:06

"that nobody except James will know the answers to.

0:52:060:52:09

"Our primary demand is that you use your influence to pressure

0:52:090:52:12

"your government to release our Muslim prisoners,

0:52:120:52:15

"who they have imprisoned whether innocent

0:52:150:52:18

"or, 'guilty' according to 'your laws'.

0:52:180:52:20

"If this fails to bear any fruits,

0:52:200:52:23

"then our secondary demand is the sum of 100 million euros."

0:52:230:52:26

FBI seemed to have their hands tied,

0:52:280:52:31

because all they were able to do was OK our family e-mails.

0:52:310:52:36

And...they really were unable to help us much with strategy.

0:52:360:52:41

They just told us to be yourselves, be family.

0:52:410:52:43

Tell them the truth is we can't release any prisoners.

0:52:430:52:47

We certainly don't have 100 million euro.

0:52:470:52:49

Michael came up with some questions I didn't know the answers to.

0:52:500:52:54

But we sent those back to the captors.

0:52:540:52:58

Then there was some brief comment.

0:52:590:53:01

"It says, James was detained whilst operating as a 'journalist'".

0:53:010:53:05

HE READS:

0:53:060:53:07

But I was never in the air force.

0:53:180:53:19

That was John.

0:53:190:53:21

My brother Jim...

0:53:250:53:26

..said that Mike was the air force officer.

0:53:270:53:30

It may have been a typo, it may not have been,

0:53:320:53:34

but I believe it was, you know, my big brother...

0:53:340:53:38

trying to protect me.

0:53:380:53:39

You know,

0:53:410:53:42

you know you love your brothers, but...

0:53:420:53:44

HE SWALLOWS TEARS

0:53:450:53:47

But for him to put...be willing to put his life on the line,

0:53:500:53:53

or his body on the line...

0:53:530:53:54

-SHAKY:

-..for my protection, is significant.

0:54:000:54:02

I mean, it's...it's...

0:54:280:54:31

I think they came in with the proof of life for John.

0:54:390:54:41

And then everybody else got their proof of lifes.

0:54:410:54:44

Everybody came in like, yes!

0:54:440:54:45

And were happy, and...

0:54:450:54:46

But James didn't get his proof of life.

0:54:470:54:49

Until one day that they came in and they asked James to follow.

0:54:510:54:56

And when he came back, you know,

0:54:570:54:59

he came with his arms over his head and...

0:54:590:55:01

..he said that this was the best day of his life.

0:55:020:55:05

And then him and John, they...

0:55:050:55:06

they hugged each other and they were dancing around

0:55:060:55:09

like they just won the big lottery.

0:55:090:55:11

-DIANE:

-That was early December of 2013.

0:55:140:55:17

All the answers came back right on.

0:55:170:55:19

We knew they had Jim.

0:55:190:55:20

But by the end of December, they e-mailed us back and said,

0:55:200:55:24

this is the last e-mail you'll get from us.

0:55:240:55:26

And cut off communication.

0:55:270:55:29

I mean, the first year,

0:55:310:55:32

we just trusted that the government would have this in hand,

0:55:320:55:35

and that despite our lack of information, et cetera,

0:55:350:55:38

they had been through this before and they knew what to do.

0:55:380:55:40

And, you know, we were in good hands.

0:55:400:55:42

At the end of that year, we realised that nothing was being done,

0:55:430:55:46

and that...

0:55:460:55:47

we were really going to have to do something on our own.

0:55:470:55:50

Diane was great about meeting with ambassadors in Washington

0:56:000:56:04

from other countries that might have some influence.

0:56:040:56:09

It turned out that no-one had any influence,

0:56:100:56:13

because the group that had him didn't listen to anybody.

0:56:130:56:16

But we didn't know that.

0:56:160:56:17

It's kind of come as a surprise to a lot of us, this group, Isis,

0:56:170:56:20

a group that we hadn't really heard much about. Who exactly are they?

0:56:200:56:23

Well, it's a criminal, marauding gang.

0:56:230:56:26

They come out of the original,

0:56:260:56:27

very brutal Iraqi terror group.

0:56:270:56:30

They're the worst. They're the worst of the worst.

0:56:310:56:33

-CHUCKLING:

-Washington doesn't know how to deal with it.

0:56:340:56:37

How's this family in New England going to figure that out, right?!

0:56:370:56:40

I mean, you're dealing with... pure evil.

0:56:400:56:42

But a capable and organised group.

0:56:430:56:46

They were very tough towards me also,

0:57:580:58:01

but, no matter what,

0:58:010:58:02

they meant freedom for me...

0:58:020:58:04

because they were the ones negotiating for me.

0:58:040:58:06

But James and John were destroyed by the Beatles in the beginning.

0:58:080:58:12

-PIERRE:

-He had this ability to escape the situation,

0:58:200:58:25

to enjoy, you know, the sound of children playing outside.

0:58:250:58:30

Or enjoy the view of just some sun entering through the window.

0:58:340:58:39

James converted in the beginning of his captivity.

0:59:130:59:16

And I know that was at the same period as

0:59:180:59:22

he was getting really bad treatment.

0:59:220:59:25

It gave a good routine.

0:59:270:59:28

Normally we have a tradition of going into church every Sunday,

0:59:290:59:32

but if you cannot do that,

0:59:320:59:34

you need another way of feeling

0:59:340:59:36

that you are doing something with your faith.

0:59:360:59:38

And you can call it a surviving skills,

0:59:400:59:42

you can call it just a way of being interested in another culture.

0:59:420:59:48

What James used to say to me was that for him, God is the same.

0:59:480:59:53

We had such great Christmases when the kids were little.

1:00:221:00:24

Oh! Just wonderful, wonderful Christmases.

1:00:241:00:27

And, you know, as they get older,

1:00:271:00:30

and Jim's siblings married,

1:00:301:00:32

they weren't always able to be home.

1:00:321:00:34

But Jim was always home.

1:00:341:00:35

Most of my memories of Jim culminate around the holidays.

1:00:361:00:40

You know, they're playing at the video games, the board games,

1:00:401:00:43

the ping-pong tournaments.

1:00:431:00:45

The anything tournaments!

1:00:451:00:47

CHATTERING AND CHUCKLING

1:00:481:00:50

And you wake up, you open the gifts and you're like,

1:00:501:00:54

"Oh crap, Jim has my name.

1:00:541:00:56

"What's he going to give me?!"

1:00:561:00:57

HE LAUGHS

1:00:571:00:59

You know! So...

1:00:591:01:01

I shouldn't say that.

1:01:011:01:02

It's good times.

1:01:031:01:05

And then the last Christmas he was home,

1:01:061:01:09

I remember him like rolling on the floor with Michael's son Matty.

1:01:091:01:13

He loved that kid.

1:01:131:01:15

LAUGHTER

1:01:151:01:17

There's a million Christmas stories, yeah.

1:01:171:01:19

You know, it's difficult for us to celebrate Christmas in any way.

1:01:251:01:28

And we didn't have any present to give each other.

1:01:281:01:31

So we...we decided to sit down in a circle.

1:01:311:01:36

And then we had to say something nice to each other.

1:01:371:01:40

And I remember that I said to James that,

1:01:411:01:43

"James, first time I met you was, you know, in this prison.

1:01:431:01:47

"And you looked as confused as if you were just...

1:01:471:01:51

"dumped down on the Earth from the Moon or something.

1:01:511:01:54

"And you basically destroyed my whole idea

1:01:541:01:57

"of this great war journalist, James Wright Foley.

1:01:571:02:01

"And then suddenly I find out that you are...very clumsy,

1:02:011:02:05

"you're very bad at sports."

1:02:051:02:07

"But then again, you..."

1:02:091:02:12

"You're the most..."

1:02:131:02:14

I think I said to him, "You know, you're the most honest person.

1:02:141:02:19

"There is no evil at all to find in you, James. You are pure good."

1:02:191:02:25

"Sometimes too good.

1:02:251:02:27

"And I'm really happy that I've met you."

1:02:271:02:30

That was our Christmas night.

1:02:341:02:36

When I went to bed that night,

1:02:361:02:38

I really felt that I had the best Christmas night in my life.

1:02:381:02:41

I mean, this is...

1:03:401:03:41

So that's when I started to get more frantic.

1:04:281:04:30

I mean, I thought,

1:04:301:04:31

there's got to be some way to get the French and the US to talk.

1:04:311:04:36

Didier!

1:04:361:04:37

This is my husband, John.

1:04:371:04:39

They were willing to share all kinds of things about Jim, personally,

1:04:401:04:43

how he was, what they did.

1:04:431:04:46

So I was starting to get all this hope.

1:04:461:04:47

And they have a hostage crisis unit in Paris,

1:04:471:04:51

and they were very generous with their time.

1:04:511:04:53

So it was so different than what I was experiencing,

1:04:531:04:55

so I was just kind of like, jeez, you know?

1:04:551:04:58

Jim and the others, other Americans are as important as these guys,

1:04:581:05:01

aren't they?

1:05:011:05:02

And...it was the last night I was in Paris,

1:05:041:05:08

and I got a phone call from John.

1:05:081:05:10

And he said "Diane, we've had another e-mail from the captors."

1:05:111:05:15

I thought, oh, great! What did they say?

1:05:151:05:18

And that's when they threatened to kill Jim.

1:05:191:05:21

But me, in my...cluelessness,

1:05:251:05:30

I was just excited that they'd reached out to us.

1:05:301:05:33

We had raised about 1 million in pledges.

1:05:341:05:37

And I was so excited to hear from them.

1:05:371:05:39

Cos we thought now we can tell them we have this money, and...

1:05:391:05:42

I was just so clueless.

1:05:421:05:44

We knew that paying a ransom was illegal.

1:05:461:05:49

And we also knew that...

1:05:491:05:51

..it wouldn't have stopped us.

1:05:521:05:54

The Foleys were prepared to mortgage their house,

1:05:541:05:57

and do what needed to be done to make a payment.

1:05:571:06:00

I have a lot of evolving thoughts about this whole process,

1:06:011:06:05

and what the government didn't do that it should have done.

1:06:051:06:10

I mean...

1:06:111:06:12

If you just look at the facts,

1:06:131:06:15

there are 15 European hostages who are alive,

1:06:151:06:19

and with their families and friends and loved ones today.

1:06:191:06:22

I wish we'd started raising money sooner.

1:06:251:06:28

I wish we'd negotiated,

1:06:301:06:31

and I wish it had... turned out differently.

1:06:311:06:34

In some sense, I was OK with the fact that he got captured

1:07:281:07:30

because I knew that he was...

1:07:301:07:32

doing what he wanted to do.

1:07:321:07:33

You know, and as a good family member and as a good brother,

1:07:341:07:38

I need to understand that.

1:07:381:07:39

My mum did a great job in, you know,

1:07:411:07:43

keeping the faith, and working as hard as she could,

1:07:431:07:46

but...from the get-go, once it happened,

1:07:461:07:48

I kind of felt like he was already gone.

1:07:481:07:50

So, after a group of the other hostages was released,

1:07:561:07:59

the Beatles, they came back the day after.

1:07:591:08:03

And they...

1:08:031:08:04

They beated the shit out of James and I.

1:08:071:08:10

I think it's called a Charlie horse,

1:08:121:08:14

when you put your knee into the legs of a person.

1:08:141:08:18

And they did that to me and James,

1:08:191:08:21

while we had to sit in stress position.

1:08:211:08:24

I don't know how many they gave us, but it just continued and it was...

1:08:241:08:28

Never tried anything that hurt so much in my entire life.

1:08:291:08:32

And then they just left.

1:08:351:08:37

And I was just laying there crying,

1:08:391:08:41

and I couldn't be in my own body of pure pain.

1:08:411:08:44

And James, in the other corner of the room, he...

1:08:441:08:47

I knew he got exactly the same treatment as me,

1:08:481:08:51

but I couldn't hear it.

1:08:511:08:52

He just...

1:08:531:08:55

I don't know if he kept it inside, or how he did it,

1:08:551:08:59

but only a few minutes after they left,

1:08:591:09:01

James, he kind of looked up and asked me if I was OK.

1:09:011:09:04

I was like, "Shut up, James."

1:09:051:09:07

I remember I said, "Shut up, James," you know?

1:09:071:09:10

HE CHUCKLES

1:09:101:09:11

Don't ask ME if I'm OK, you know?

1:09:111:09:13

Don't worry about me, you know, worry about yourself.

1:09:151:09:17

Yeah, we just laid there until the pain started to disappear a bit.

1:09:191:09:24

Two or three days after, they came in again.

1:09:261:09:28

This time, the Beatles just told us that now, guys, everything changed.

1:09:291:09:33

And they took all our food,

1:09:351:09:37

our games, most of the blankets.

1:09:371:09:39

And they started to use, like, police clubs.

1:09:421:09:44

So every time we went to the toilet, we got beatings with the stick.

1:09:451:09:48

We were so scared, we lost all hopes.

1:09:491:09:53

No matter what came through that door, it was evil.

1:09:531:09:56

Those 14 days before I got released was the absolute worst times.

1:09:571:10:02

When people started to get released,

1:10:081:10:10

we decided to send out letters with the person who was released.

1:10:101:10:15

But James, he didn't.

1:10:161:10:18

He didn't want to bother any of us.

1:10:181:10:20

And I remember one day that...

1:10:201:10:22

..I saw that John and James had been talking for some times

1:10:231:10:26

in their corner.

1:10:261:10:27

And after that, John, he came over to me,

1:10:291:10:30

and said Daniel, James wants to ask you something.

1:10:301:10:32

OK, OK.

1:10:321:10:34

What up, James? And he was like,

1:10:341:10:36

"Oh, it's just if you want to carry out a message or something."

1:10:361:10:39

You know, he was very...

1:10:391:10:41

He said it fast, like... like he didn't want to bother me.

1:10:411:10:44

There's many ways of dealing with a situation like this.

1:10:471:10:50

And James, I think one of the reasons why he remained so strong,

1:10:501:10:54

was because he managed to think about all the good things.

1:10:541:10:58

He saw the light, instead of the dark spots.

1:10:581:11:01

Where a guy like John, he was much more realistic.

1:11:021:11:05

He knew when it was bad.

1:11:061:11:08

But I couldn't bring out the letter.

1:11:121:11:14

I was too afraid, after these 14 days.

1:11:141:11:17

So I decided just to memorise as much as I could.

1:11:171:11:20

So I started waiting,

1:11:211:11:23

I knew they will come in the morning to pick me up.

1:11:231:11:25

One day went, two days went.

1:11:261:11:29

And then fourth, fifth day.

1:11:301:11:32

Shit, man.

1:11:331:11:34

And then I woke up, the sixth day in the morning.

1:11:341:11:37

And I couldn't sleep. I couldn't sleep all night

1:11:371:11:39

because I was so afraid of, what if they're playing a trick on me?

1:11:391:11:43

And James, he walked over to me and he sat down right next to me.

1:11:441:11:48

And he said, "Are you OK, Daniel?" "Yeah, all right."

1:11:481:11:51

And then I just couldn't hold back.

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And I said, "Fuck. Fuck, man.

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"I am really, really scared.

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"I'm really, really, really, really scared right now.

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"I don't know what to do, what to think. I..."

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And he said, "Daniel, calm down.

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"Calm down."

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"Everything will be fine.

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"You are going home. They will come.

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"In a few hours, or tomorrow, but one thing is sure, Daniel.

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"You will go home."

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Once again, it was a weird feeling,

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because I was sitting there crying,

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and making a scene in front of James,

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and I was about to go home.

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And James, he didn't have anything to look forward to.

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James, he went back to his side of the room.

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Ten minutes after,

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they knocked on the door.

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They came in, and they asked me to put a blanket over my head

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and follow them.

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That was the last time I...

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..I saw James.

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I call on my friends, family and loved ones

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to rise up against my real killers,

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the US government.

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For what will happen to me is only a result of their complacency,

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and criminality.

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I wish I had more time.

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I wish I could have the hope of freedom

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and seeing my family once again.

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But that ship has sailed.

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I hadn't heard Jim's voice in two years.

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You know, I guess you can see it in his neck and his face,

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he's just, the strength he has at that moment.

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And, um...

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I think of myself, I'd be calling for my mother or something!

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Just the strength he had, and I...

1:13:531:13:55

I wanted to feel what he felt...

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-SHAKY:

-..is the reason I watched it.

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I kept getting messages saying, "John, are you OK?

1:14:061:14:09

"John, are you OK about what your brother's saying?"

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I'm like, what are you talking about?

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I call on my brother John,

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who is a member of the US Air Force.

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Think about what you're doing.

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Think about the lives you destroy,

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including those of your own family.

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Even though he was reading the script,

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he seemed defiant...to the end.

1:14:321:14:35

I mean, for sure, I still have some guilt regarding...

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..me...

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Just...me and unfortunately my profession

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that I am sure that he endured torture.

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Interestingly, John and I,

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we've argued a lot about things since that,

1:14:531:14:57

but we've been communicating a lot more,

1:14:571:15:00

we've come a lot closer as a result, and...

1:15:001:15:02

..and I think Jim would have loved that.

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And, you know Jim as well as I do.

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He wouldn't have said those things if there wasn't someone else

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that was going to be harmed as a result of it.

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He never cared about himself.

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-KATIE:

-My only thought when I found out about Jim was,

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how am I going to get home?

1:15:181:15:19

I had missed the initial chaos when it all happened,

1:15:201:15:24

but slowly we all kind of came together.

1:15:241:15:26

We literally chose the smallest room possible in our house,

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but everybody was just kind of huddled together.

1:15:311:15:33

Jim always found a way to bring people together.

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Always.

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I really don't think I came to know Jim as a man, as an adult.

1:15:421:15:49

I came to know him through his friends.

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LAUGHTER

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It's hard as a mother.

1:15:541:15:56

You know, they're always your children, somehow.

1:15:561:15:59

LAUGHTER

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And it's hard to see that they're adults,

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with their own gifts,

1:16:041:16:05

and their own way in the world.

1:16:051:16:07

The day before his memorial, I was like...

1:16:101:16:13

-LAUGHING:

-..shit!

1:16:151:16:16

I was like, "Now I get it."

1:16:161:16:19

"Now I get it."

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And I...

1:16:211:16:22

Jokingly, I was always like, you know, "Jim, get a job!"

1:16:221:16:26

Jim, you know, save for retirement!

1:16:261:16:29

So what I didn't recognise, he was really trying to teach me.

1:16:301:16:34

"John, you need to look outside yourself."

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"John, it's not about physical or monetary things.

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"It's about how you act.

1:16:431:16:44

"It's who you teach.

1:16:441:16:47

"Who you mentor.

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"Who's going to remember you?

1:16:481:16:51

"What are they going to remember about you?"

1:16:511:16:53

Jimmy was included in the long line of journalists

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who gave their lives to tell the truth.

1:17:001:17:03

We were just totally humbled by the fact that the committee in Bayeux

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would nominate him to be included on one of the markers,

1:17:071:17:12

with 2,000 other deceased journalists.

1:17:121:17:14

It was a very important moment.

1:17:161:17:18

This was Jim, and...

1:17:201:17:22

..it made me feel very warm inside that...

1:17:231:17:26

..he was accepted as one of them.

1:17:271:17:29

And that's the difference with Jim.

1:17:531:17:55

He was just a you and a me, a friendly guy...

1:17:551:17:58

until tested.

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-HIS VOICE BREAKS:

-Where that came from, I don't know, Brian.

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Because you just can't grit something like that out.

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You have to have an inner strength...

1:18:121:18:14

..to do that.

1:18:161:18:17

We discovered Jim just like the world did.

1:18:201:18:22

He was truly a man for others.

1:18:251:18:27

-NICOLE:

-Witnessing Jim's murder this publicly,

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it sends a message to all of us.

1:18:341:18:36

And my, I guess, response to that is

1:18:361:18:40

having lost so many friends,

1:18:401:18:42

and knowing that people are purposely out for journalists, now,

1:18:421:18:47

I mean, we have to fight back, with our pictures and our words.

1:18:471:18:52

I just... I don't want to let them win.

1:18:541:18:56

The extent to which the media coverage took off,

1:18:581:19:01

it was just staggering.

1:19:011:19:04

It was absolutely staggering.

1:19:041:19:05

Something like 94% of Americans

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were aware of Jim's death,

1:19:081:19:10

and how he died.

1:19:101:19:12

It's the event with the second most recognition

1:19:121:19:15

in recent American history, after 9/11.

1:19:151:19:18

He would have been horrified by that.

1:19:181:19:20

I mean, he was there to talk about the Syrian people,

1:19:201:19:22

and this is the takeaway.

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BRIAN: What is your response to people

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who would say he shouldn't have been in there?

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My response is do you read the newspaper?

1:19:331:19:35

Do you watch TV?

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You're depending on someone to bring you that information.

1:19:371:19:40

If you care about what's going on in Syria,

1:19:411:19:44

you don't have the right to be like, oh, why's he there?

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How do you even know what there is?

1:19:471:19:49

Because he told you.

1:19:491:19:50

-PIERRE:

-I remember the video, and... there was a desert.

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And in the background,

1:20:001:20:02

you could see the desert stop.

1:20:021:20:04

And it was all the Valley of Euphrates.

1:20:051:20:08

So according to what I know from James,

1:20:091:20:13

I'm like 100% sure

1:20:131:20:16

that even though he was convinced he would be killed,

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he enjoyed the view.

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-NICOLAS:

-He died as a free man.

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This is not the death of a hostage.

1:20:281:20:30

This is the difference, eventually, between Jim and myself.

1:20:311:20:34

I ended up being released.

1:20:361:20:38

But...he ended up free.

1:20:401:20:42

And when we came to James' funeral,

1:20:481:20:51

everything started to become real again in a way.

1:20:511:20:54

The fact that I managed to say goodbye to James,

1:20:551:20:57

together with all his loved ones,

1:20:571:20:59

was really powerful.

1:20:591:21:00

It reminded me how important it was that...

1:21:001:21:03

..that James, he gave that letter to me.

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Dear family and friends,

1:21:141:21:16

I remember going to the mall with Dad.

1:21:161:21:18

A very long bike ride with Mum.

1:21:191:21:20

I remember so many great family times

1:21:221:21:24

that take me away from this prison.

1:21:241:21:25

Dreams of family and friends take me away,

1:21:261:21:28

and happiness fills my heart.

1:21:281:21:29

I know you're thinking of me and praying for me,

1:21:321:21:34

and I am so thankful.

1:21:341:21:36

I feel you all especially when I pray.

1:21:371:21:39

I pray for you to stay strong, and to believe.

1:21:391:21:42

I really feel I can touch you, even in this darkness, when I pray.

1:21:421:21:45

I think a lot about my brothers and sister.

1:21:511:21:53

I remember playing werewolf in the dark with Michael,

1:21:531:21:56

and so many other adventures.

1:21:561:21:58

I think of chasing Matty and Tee around the kitchen counter.

1:22:001:22:03

It makes me happy to think of them.

1:22:031:22:06

If there is any money left in my bank account,

1:22:061:22:07

I want it to go to Michael and Matthew.

1:22:071:22:09

I am so proud of you, Michael...

1:22:111:22:12

..and thankful to you for happy childhood memories,

1:22:131:22:16

and to you and Christie for happy adult ones.

1:22:161:22:18

And big John,

1:22:221:22:23

how I enjoyed visiting you and Cress in Germany.

1:22:231:22:26

Thank you for welcoming me.

1:22:261:22:28

I think a lot about Ro-Ro, and try to imagine what Jack is like.

1:22:281:22:31

I hope he has Ro-Ro's personality.

1:22:311:22:33

So Mark and Casey, what name have you given your son?

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-James Michael Foley.

-James Michael Foley.

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And Mark...

1:22:441:22:46

so proud of you too, bro.

1:22:461:22:47

I think of you on the West Coast,

1:22:481:22:49

and hope you're doing some snowboarding and camping.

1:22:491:22:52

I especially remember us going to the comedy club in Boston together,

1:22:521:22:55

and our big hug after.

1:22:551:22:56

The special moments keep me hopeful.

1:22:581:23:00

Katie, so very proud of you.

1:23:031:23:05

You are the strongest and best of us all.

1:23:051:23:07

I think of you working so hard, helping people as a nurse.

1:23:081:23:11

I pray I can come to your wedding.

1:23:121:23:13

Now I'm sounding like Grammy!

1:23:141:23:16

Grammy, please take your medicine.

1:23:181:23:20

Take walks and keep dancing.

1:23:201:23:22

I plan to take you out to Margarita's when I get home.

1:23:231:23:25

Stay strong,

1:23:251:23:27

because I'm going to need your help to reclaim my life.

1:23:271:23:29

Jim.

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# Well, I was always late

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# For every meal, you'll swear

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# But keep my place

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# On the empty chair

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# And somehow I'll be there

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# And somehow...

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# I'll be there. #

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