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# That's what you are | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
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# Though near or far. # | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
There is something odd, I suppose, about anyone who betrays their country. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
# Like a song of love | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
# That clings to me... # | 0:00:39 | 0:00:41 | |
But perhaps the oddest of all drank himself to death | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
here in Russia at the age of 52. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
For the last years of his life, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
he'd lived on the third floor of this apartment block in Moscow, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
dreaming of England, | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
behind an unmarked door. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:01 | |
What I do remember physically about him was his mouth. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
# In every way... # | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
I can actually remember looking at the man's mouth, | 0:01:10 | 0:01:14 | |
because it was very shiny. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
# And forever more... # | 0:01:16 | 0:01:18 | |
My mother liked him. My mother liked him a lot. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
I think she was a bit of a fag hag, you know. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:23 | |
To me, I'm sorry to say, the word was queer - | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
that was what they called themselves. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
"We're all queer as coots." | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
12 years earlier, his disappearance one summer night | 0:01:39 | 0:01:43 | |
had delivered a body blow to British intelligence. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
The heavens fell in. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
They were absolutely stunned, they were aghast. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
He was one of them - he came from the right school and university | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
and he could actually be extremely kind and loyal. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
So why did Guy Burgess, and others in his gilded circle, | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
betray their class - and their country? | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
They were strange people, all these Cambridge spies, really strange. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
Sometimes I think that it was the boredom of the British establishment | 0:02:18 | 0:02:24 | |
which made them spy for Stalin. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
I think I knew he was a great sort of spy figure, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
and I was rather alarmed by him. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:38 | |
Oh, how did you know that? | 0:02:40 | 0:02:41 | |
Well, one just... | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
We all knew! | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
All except us spy catchers, who only knew when he had gone. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
# I'm a gambler | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
# I keep on taking chances | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
# And I'm playing with my time | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
# And if I lose | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
# Well, now, I ain't gonna wallow | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
# I keep laying it down | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
# Hard on the line | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
This is where it starts. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
A clever boy, father just dead, | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
is a pupil at Britain's most famous public school. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
SAT NAV: You have reached your destination. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
And this, more or less, is where it ends... | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
The drink, the drink! | 0:03:32 | 0:03:33 | |
..the same boy portrayed as a washed-up exile, | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
drinking to stave off his loneliness. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:38 | |
-HE RETCHES -Aren't you feeling well? | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
Oh, yes, thank you. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
-I'm perfectly all right. -HE VOMITS | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
Who are you? | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
The film was based on a real moment in Guy Burgess' life. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
I love your frock. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:52 | |
It was the height of the Cold War. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Some famous British actors were performing in Moscow. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
Not for a King upon whose property... | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
Sir Michael Redgrave, whom Burgess had known at university, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
was playing Hamlet. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:08 | |
There was a sort of stir in the theatre, and this word went round - | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
Guy Burgess is in the building. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
I saw him standing, looking very lost backstage, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
and somebody said to me, "He's come round to see | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
"Michael Redgrave, and Michael won't let him in." | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
There was a sort of shabby glamour to him. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
Craven A. For your throat's sake. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
We certainly knew exactly who he was and what he'd done. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
I thought, my God, to have chosen to live in this country, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
because of some belief you had years ago - | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
he must've been in some kind of hell. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
The road to hell had started here. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
He'd arrived from Eton six months shy of his 20th birthday, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
with a scholarship in history, a rich mother to support him, | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
and an unrestrained appetite for sex with other men. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
If you look at the Trinity College coffee table book, | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
it talks about the fact that in the 1930s | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
homosexuality was thought to be more bonding than football. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
In that sort of world, Burgess was an instantaneous success. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
The intellect and the charm - | 0:05:36 | 0:05:37 | |
these are the two words that keep coming back time and again. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
His brilliant intellect and his extraordinary charm. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
There were many people whose opinion mattered | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
who were utterly in raptures about him. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:48 | |
One of them was a young don called Steven Runciman, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
who came from a grand family near the Scottish border. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
Runciman was just starting out on what became a magisterial career | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
as a Byzantine historian, and has left touching relics | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
of his infatuation with the brilliant budding spy. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
If you open Steven Runciman's photo album, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
the very first page from 1932, August '32, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:17 | |
they're all of Guy Burgess. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
And these are Steven Runciman's diaries, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
wonderful little tidily-written ones. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
And here, October '32, for instance, "Tea with Guy. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
"Lunch with Jack H and Guy. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
"Guy. Lunch with Guy..." | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
Almost everyone that Burgess decided to seduce, he succeeded in doing. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
They say that he tried to seduce the captain of the boat club | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
on the first night in Cambridge. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
Fatefully, he also caught the eye of another stellar don, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:03 | |
mathematician turned art historian Anthony Blunt. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
They're part of clearly this similar group, but Blunt is much older - | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
he's a don - and they're brought together, and in fact become lovers, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
and eventually very, very close friends. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
In those days, homosexuality was illegal but, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
in some circles anyway, not socially taboo. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
So, yes, this is my father, pretty much his last photograph, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:35 | |
the year he died. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
Tim Johnston's father Kemball was neither gay nor particularly academic, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
but he later became close friends with both Blunt and Burgess. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
This was more of the period... | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
In fact, they were both godfathers to another son, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
named Guy Anthony after them. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
Well, our mother said how enormously she liked Guy and how much she | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
enjoyed his company, and what a pain it was that if you invited him | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
to anything you always had to have Anthony as well. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
She found him very sort of stiff and self-interested, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
I think the thing with Guy was his huge kind of | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
generosity of spirit, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
which I think they certainly both enjoyed. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
What Burgess longed for was an invitation to join the Apostles, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:19 | |
a secretive elite of Cambridge intellectuals. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Blunt was already a member, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
and through him Burgess finally got his invitation. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
Heaven on Earth. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:30 | |
Many of them were gay, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
and I think there was a strong feeling that if they weren't being | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
recognised by society because of their sexuality | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
they didn't feel they had | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
any obligations to society themselves. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
But outside the aesthetes' gilded cage, that society was facing a crisis. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:53 | |
European democracies had been weakened by the worldwide slump. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
Fascism was on the rise. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
America, for the most part, didn't want to get involved. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
To young idealists at Cambridge, what offered hope was | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
the great social experiment in Russia called Communism. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
I don't think there was any thinking person who was not pro-Russia, pro-Soviet. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:31 | |
Because Moscow was opposed to this... | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
Father had been on a walking tour of Germany and Austria, | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
I think about the time the Nazis came to power, and he could see - | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
he could see what they were like, he could see what they were becoming, | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
what was coming. Everybody could see it apart from these people. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
"These people" were the British Government. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
They were all sucking up to the Nazis. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Guy had been proclaiming his belief in Marxism ever since he'd arrived | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
at Cambridge, but he now had a real choice to make, | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
and his boyish confidence had taken a beating. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:13 | |
For one thing, he hadn't got the first class degree | 0:10:13 | 0:10:16 | |
everyone expected, pleading sickness when the exams came up. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
And although the college allowed him to stay on another year, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
new kids on the block were stealing his political thunder. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
Most notably, this man, John Cornford... | 0:10:30 | 0:10:34 | |
..four years younger than Burgess, great grandson of Charles Darwin, | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
poet and political activist. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
He frankly dwarfs Burgess in terms of importance in the circles of Cambridge Communism. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:50 | |
He was the great inspirational figure, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
and he galvanised the student communist movement. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
To Cornford, communism meant action on the streets - | 0:11:02 | 0:11:06 | |
not preaching Marxist theory to other privileged students. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
This is Jane Bernal. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Her mother, Margot Heinemann, was a communist activist, too. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:19 | |
And, soon, Cornford's lover. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
He was hard up at the time and not very interested in clothes | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
or material possessions, so he was actually very scruffy. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
By contrast, the legend goes, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
Burgess used to turn up on demonstrations wearing an old Etonian tie. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
But in the Cambridge city archive, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
you can find the first clue the security services missed - | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
the day he openly sided with communists against the established order. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:52 | |
There's a march to the war memorial on Armistice Day. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
They assembled on Parker's Piece, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
they walked along Trumpington Street where the Fitzwilliam Museum is, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:04 | |
and then the road narrows down quite abruptly outside Peterhouse College. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
And at that point it really kicked off. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
The toffs from the rowing clubs who were the opposition, as it were, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
were buying up fruit and vegetable and fish from the stalls, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
and pelting the marchers with them. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
And Burgess' role is to drive a car which has been protected with | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
cushions, and basically ram the crowd. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
So that's I think where he enters the stage, you know, as a communist, | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
a very open communist. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
Roll on three years. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
Cornford has been killed in the Spanish Civil War, while Burgess? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
Well, he's found a different way to serve the cause. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
And this is Guy Burgess at Cambridge University, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
and we'll pretty quickly come onto this whole thing, the connection... | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
Stewart Purvis is leading a walking tour you can take through streets | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
that were practically colonised by Soviet agents during the '30s. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:17 | |
He's become an expert on the rival networks that lived cheek by jowl here. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
You can walk down Lawn Road. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:25 | |
You start at number four, you've got a GRU building - | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
number nine is an NKVD building, number 12 is a GRU building. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
And in the Isokon Gallery you've got the GRU and the NKVD. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
One of those agents here was a man called Arnold Deutsch, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
who'd arrived in England in 1933. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
His cover story was studying psychology at London University. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
Outside, I met Alexander Vassiliev, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
who once worked for the KGB in Moscow. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
With the benefit of hindsight, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
he thinks the fact that Deutsch wasn't a typical Russian agent | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
was the key to his success. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
He was an Austrian Jew, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
and it's very important that after | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
the university in Vienna, he worked for a while for Wilhelm Reich, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:20 | |
who was a famous sexologist - | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
whose idea was that if you are sexually repressed, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
you are a fascist. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:29 | |
Something like that, you know - better orgasms for a better world. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:33 | |
At the time the world seemed badly in need of Reich's treatment. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
In this atmosphere Deutsch's brilliance was guessing that | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
in England it would be privileged people who would make good traitors. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
Kim Philby, a friend of Guy's from Trinity was the first one he chose | 0:15:02 | 0:15:08 | |
on a bench in Regents Park. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
Philby suggested others from Cambridge, including Donald Maclean, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
son of a Liberal MP. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
Philby created this list of seven people, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
of which Maclean was at the top and Burgess, I think, was number seven. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
In fact, Burgess was almost an afterthought. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
Philby actually says that what happened was that | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
Burgess discovered, worked out, rather, | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
that Philby and Maclean had done something. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:37 | |
And in Philby's words, it was something esoteric and exciting | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
and they weren't involving Burgess. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
So Philby says that he wasn't so much recruited, as he, kind of, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
forced them to bring him inside | 0:15:46 | 0:15:47 | |
because he was more dangerous for them outside. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
From the point of view of an average Soviet operative, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
recruiting Guy Burgess was a huge mistake. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
I would never recruit someone like that, just never. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
He was difficult to control. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
He talked too much, and he was homosexual. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
But Deutsch, the sophisticated European, knew much better | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
than anyone in Moscow the society his agents had to penetrate. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:17 | |
Of course he knew the British society better than people at Lubyanka. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
But, on that, I mostly blame his, you know, free spirit | 0:16:21 | 0:16:27 | |
in terms of sex. You know. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:28 | |
Burgess was recruited at the beginning of 1935. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
He left Cambridge and went down to London, where he supported himself | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
partly from freelance journalism, partly from money from his mother... | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
..and partly by living among people who could help him. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
That's Burgess's flat, over there. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
Nice place to live, for a man without a proper job. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
Burgess became, sort of, a right-wing fanatic. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
His friends were completely amazed by this. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
He gave them some really, kind of, feeble explanations of how | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
having convinced them that actually Communism was the only route, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
suddenly, he wanted to go in the opposite direction. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
Forget about overthrowing capitalism. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
The intelligence service doesn't want to overthrow capitalism. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:16 | |
They want London to be against Berlin. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
And in the case of the war, to support the seventh union against Hitler. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:24 | |
That's the only thing they wanted. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
To consolidate his cover story Burgess wanted to get a job here, | 0:17:31 | 0:17:37 | |
then the newly opened headquarters of the BBC. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
This is the place where the BBC store all their records. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
I was intrigued to find out how Burgess persuaded them | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
that he'd put his Marxist youth behind him. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
Andrew Lownie knows these files inside out. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
The personal file will have the letters of recommendation and his application. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
He showed me several letters backing Burgess, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
including one from a real Cambridge heavyweight. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
George Trevelyan, who is a professor of history at Cambridge, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
who has written support of Burgess. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
This is the end of 1935. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
"I believe a young friend of mine, Guy Burgess, | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
"later scholar of Trinity, is applying for a post in the BBC. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
"He is a first-rate man, and I advise you, if you can, to try him. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
"He's passed through the communist measles that | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
"so many of our clever young men go through, and is well out of it." | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
With reassuring references like that, Burgess finally got what he wanted. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
The BBC seemed pleased with his work, and the Russians were happy too. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
His value to both was his bulging contact book. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
One of his acquaintances was Churchill's niece, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Clarissa Spencer Churchill. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
Her uncle Winston was fulminating on the backbenches, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
at the British government's handling of the growing threat from Hitler. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:04 | |
It was rather depressing. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:05 | |
Rather shaming, in a way. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
We knew we were in a jam. I knew because of my uncle, | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
who always said there was going to be a war, you know. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
Keen to get non-appeasement voices onto the airwaves, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
Burgess had approached Churchill... | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Spoke to Mr Churchill's secretary. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
..to introduce a major new radio series. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
But Churchill declined. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
And he says, look, I'm muzzled by the BBC. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
I'm not going to do that, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:36 | |
because I know the BBC is under the control of the government. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
Burgess asked Churchill if he could come down to his country house, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Chartwell, to discuss it. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
They had this conversation and the best record of it is an audio tape | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
which Burgess made himself in which I'd describe it as | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
a short radio play, in which Burgess plays all the parts. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
The visit to Chartwell became Burgess's favourite after-dinner story. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
A recording of him telling it was eventually located in the FBI archive in America. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:08 | |
Burgess says that when he arrived, he started straight out | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
on the political crisis surrounding appeasement. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
Personally, I said, I am in some despair and Mr Churchill said, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:24 | |
"My best answer will be to show you a letter." | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
The letter came from Mr Bennett of Czechoslovakia, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
pleading for help against the Nazis. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
"Here am I," said Mr Churchill, "an old man, | 0:20:38 | 0:20:43 | |
"without power | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
"and without party. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
"What help shall I give?" | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
And I felt I said the right thing that moment and said, "Oh, Mr Churchill, | 0:20:56 | 0:21:02 | |
"don't be so downhearted. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
"Offer him your eloquence." | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
This is Burgess's kind of finest hour, that, you know, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
the man who saved Britain turned to Burgess at his hour of need | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
and Burgess gave him the answer. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
And here is the paper... | 0:21:24 | 0:21:25 | |
..which bears | 0:21:27 | 0:21:28 | |
his name upon it as well as mine. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
Whether dismayed by Neville Chamberlain's wretched piece of paper, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
inspired by Churchill, or nudged into action by the Russians, | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
Burgess decided it was time to move on. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
He resigned from the BBC in December, 1938, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
his job there had already served its purpose. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
Someone he'd met through broadcasting actually worked in MI6, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
then housed in these nondescript buildings near Parliament. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
The officer concerned took a shine to Burgess and secured him a job. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:07 | |
Perfect outcome. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
If you're a Soviet spy and you can either work in the BBC | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
or can work in MI6, it's not a difficult choice, is it? | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
But not for the last time, Moscow was suspicious. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
Why had it been so easy? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
And they said, "Do you think he suspects you," and he said, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
"No, he doesn't suspect me," | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
and he says, "Class blinkers, class blinkers." | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
Eton, my family and intellectual - people like me are beyond suspicion. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:39 | |
EXPLOSION | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
When war finally broke out, it was class blinkers all round. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:53 | |
Britain was staring defeat in the face and the intelligence services | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
needed to recruit people quickly. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:01 | |
Anthony Blunt, whom Burgess had recruited for the Russians, | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
was now recruited by MI5, too. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
So was the very straight Kemball Johnston. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
How did he come to join military intelligence? | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
Well, he was meant to be in the British Expeditionary Force | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
that ended up at Dunkirk. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:22 | |
But he missed Dunkirk, because he was invalided out. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
He got pneumonia just about as they were about to be shipped off. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
I think they lost his file after that and then he was sort of | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
hanging around waiting to be told what to do. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
He was walking down the Strand, somewhere like that, | 0:23:34 | 0:23:36 | |
and he bumped into Kenneth Younger, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
who was a very important person, I mean, high up and, | 0:23:39 | 0:23:42 | |
"Oh, Kemball, what are you doing?" | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
And he said, "Nothing much" and Kenneth Younger said, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
"Why don't you come and join us in MI5?" | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
It was a bit like Our Man In Havana. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
With equal ease, Burgess had slipped into what was called Section D of MI6. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
He is the ideas man. He comes up with a lot of ideas. One of which | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
is a training college for agents to be sent into occupied Europe. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
And this is where it was set up, in the Hertfordshire countryside, | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
an hour or so from London. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Guy nicknamed it Guy Fawkes College, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
because of all the explosives they handled. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
Hundreds of lectures about how to avoid being followed, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
how to follow people, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:27 | |
how to send secret messages with several pages | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
of different recipes for secret ink, | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
how to make sure that you can get into places that you ought not | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
to be able to get into. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
And the private delight of knowing his teachers were meant to be on the | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
same side as the people trying to catch him. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
One side didn't talk to the other side. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
Those responsible for implementing security when speaking to those that | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
were responsible for training people how to circumvent security. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:01 | |
His other master stroke was to bring onto the team a journalist with | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
experience of working in Europe | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
who just happened to be a Soviet spy as well. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
After the fall of France, | 0:25:13 | 0:25:14 | |
he brought an old friend of his from Cambridge as a fellow lecturer, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
Kim Philby, so he's the man who got Philby into MI6. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
But... There was always a but with Burgess. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
He, I'm afraid, lasts not quite as long in MI6 as Philby. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
After a few weeks, he's kicked out for mucking about with a corporal. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
By now, London was feeling the effects of war. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
To avoid the call-up for active service, Burgess went back to the BBC. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:15 | |
The BBC are only too happy to have him back. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
They're clearly short-staffed. They haven't got experienced people. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
20th January, 1941, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:22 | |
"Mr Burgess since he left the Corporation has been | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
"in constant touch with government departments, in particular with | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
"the Service Departments and the contacts he has made and the | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
"relations he has established should be extremely useful to us now." | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
-RADIO: -'This is the BBC Home Service. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:36 | |
'and here is the news.' | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
Just what the Russians thought, too. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
Even more so when he was made producer of | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
a prestigious radio programme, The Week In Westminster. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
He found somewhere to live about five minutes' walk away from the BBC, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
though, to their fury, he still charged for late-night taxis home. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
Number five belonged to another friend of his from Cambridge, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
Victor Rothschild, but he'd gone to live in the country, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
leaving an open house for his friends. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
For Burgess and Anthony Blunt, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
it became somewhere between a love nest and a nest of spies. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
He and Blunt, took rooms in Bentinck Street and they brought in | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
a whole series of their own chums. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
Including the hard-drinking Kim Philby, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
now on the rise at MI6. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
And it became a sort of party house. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
People were always popping in. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
It had a basement which allowed people to shelter during air raids. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
It was just off Oxford Street, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
it was very central. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:35 | |
Mary Hardy, sister-in-law of one of his other great friends, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
first met him around this time and didn't like him at all. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
Did you get the feeling that he was seen nonetheless as the life and soul of the party? | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
Well, he clearly was. Everybody told me he was. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
"Guy's coming", "Guy's coming into the room", and he came in with this great... | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
Taking up all the space and always with some sort of joke and then | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
everybody laughed and I thought, "This man is not funny, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
"He isn't attractive." | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
I always felt he was thinking very carefully about what he said | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
before he said it. That's the sort of impression. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 | |
He was an actor man. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:15 | |
But whatever facade he presented, | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
the visitor who was the object of his abiding | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
and increasingly unrequited passion was this man, Peter Pollock. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
I found this photo rooting around in Pollock's villa in Tangier, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
several years after he died. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:35 | |
And it was there that the writer Miranda Carter had once | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
talked to Pollock about the spy who adored him. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:44 | |
-MIRANDA: -What did you think of him? -PETER: -Of Guy? | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
I was fascinated by his brain. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
And what he knew, he knew so much. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:53 | |
You, too, adored Guy? | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
No, I didn't adore Guy at all. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:57 | |
I adored what he could pour into my lap. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
He knew everybody. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:02 | |
-He really did. -Everybody knew him. -Yeah. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
Miranda Carter was researching her biography of Blunt. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
From being Guy's mentor, he was now almost a disciple. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
And Anthony was sort of hovering around on the fringes of it all, all the time. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
I mean, he was obviously Guy's great friend and | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
Guy was the boss of everything. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
What Peter Pollock also kept were the letters Guy had sent him over the years. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:30 | |
Take this letter, for instance. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
"Oh, my, I love you still. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
"Guy." | 0:29:35 | 0:29:36 | |
From early passion... "I miss you and send my love." | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
..to coping with Pollock's absence, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
first as a prisoner of war | 0:29:46 | 0:29:48 | |
and then with the distance he put between them. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
"I don't know why I haven't written for so long." | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
There's a sort of mournful, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:55 | |
plangent tone in a lot of these letters, as he realises they aren't | 0:29:55 | 0:30:00 | |
the lovers they once were. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
"This letter doesn't seem to overflow with love, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
"he says at the end, but I send all of it. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
"Thanks for being so sweet, Guy." | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
Sex with Guy was never anything I particularly wanted | 0:30:15 | 0:30:18 | |
and it was part of the deal if you could call it a deal. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
I got so angry with him once, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
I went to bed with Anthony just to annoy Guy. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:29 | |
And there was a terrible scene. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
Adding to the complexity of Bentinck Street life | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
was a brilliant young writer called James Pope Hennessy. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
He'd enlisted with an anti-aircraft battery when war broke out but often called by. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:47 | |
James Pope Hennessy was absolutely besotted with Guy. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:51 | |
-Yeah. -Of course, Guy was rather pleased. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
-Yeah. -Yes, this brilliant young literary star rising. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
But that was making life tricky for another person in their circle, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
Clarissa Spencer Churchill. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
She was very fond of James but Guy was always in the way. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
Well, he was just one of those people you, | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
you know, I mean, he was a bosom friend of James's. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
One had to put up with him, so to speak. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
Just get on and get to know him. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
It was a sort of menage a trois, because Pope Hennessy was involved with Burgess. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
Burgess had been tasked to get close to Clarissa. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
The Russians had this bizarre idea | 0:31:30 | 0:31:31 | |
that as a niece of the Prime Minister, | 0:31:31 | 0:31:33 | |
she was privy to all sorts of secrets. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:36 | |
And that what Burgess should do is marry her. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:40 | |
After the war, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
Churchill did attend his niece's wedding to his Foreign Secretary, | 0:31:42 | 0:31:47 | |
Anthony Eden. But according to Andrew Lownie's sources, | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
Burgess had planned many years earlier to be the one at her side. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
That's new. Never heard that one. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
Very, very unlike Guy, I should have thought. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
He never gave me any indications | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
of wanting to know me better or anything, no. Never. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
He never said or did anything that made me think that might be a plan. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:15 | |
Never flirted with you? | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
No, never. Absolutely never. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
I mean, absolutely not, no. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
London celebrates the end of the global war | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
as proclaimed by Prime Minister Attlee. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
Peace has once again come to the world. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
Peace had returned, yes, but nothing was quite the same. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:48 | |
Hitler was dead, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
Churchill had been voted out, | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
and Stalin was now the great enemy. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:56 | |
It might have been the moment that Burgess gave up his secret life. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
But it wasn't. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
In fact, for the first time, he had access to real secrets, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
thanks to a man whose own career had been advanced | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
by taking part in Burgess's programmes. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
A man called Hector McNeil, a former journalist and Labour MP. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
And it's through Hector McNeil that he gets his next most important job. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
Which is... ? | 0:33:29 | 0:33:30 | |
Which is to work as a special adviser to Hector McNeil in the | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
Foreign Office, when Hector McNeil was made Minister of State in 1946. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
Burgess was as pleased as punch. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
He wrote this handwritten letter to the KGB and in it, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
it's quite a long one, but he says, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:48 | |
the following: "This offer has been made officially and for that reason | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
"and since it is I think not only an important promotion, | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
"but one that can be put to good use." | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
That means good use for us. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
"I shall accept it." | 0:34:00 | 0:34:01 | |
And then he goes on further down - | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
"My personal record and file was necessarily examined. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:08 | |
"We are now justified in saying that there can be no suspicion of any kind against me." | 0:34:08 | 0:34:14 | |
So Burgess was in and with the high Tories out, | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
it was quite a change of style at the Foreign Office. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
Attlee's Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin had been | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
a trade union leader and McNeil wasn't an establishment type either. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
McNeil was a bit of an outsider himself. He was effectively | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
a Glasgow newspaperman who had somehow ended up as a deputy | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
Foreign Secretary, so he was kind of looking for friendly spirits. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:41 | |
So suddenly, Burgess finds himself right at the heart | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
of the Foreign Office in the inner sanctums. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
Burgess had access to all the papers that McNeil saw, | 0:34:47 | 0:34:50 | |
including Cabinet minutes, Cabinet agendas, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
which not even senior diplomats in the Foreign Office had access to. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:58 | |
Burgess is very conscientious. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
He offers to work late and to take documents home. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
And, you know, there was no security. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:05 | |
No-one would have dared to challenge him as he left the building. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
So it was industrial-scale espionage. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:10 | |
After years on the fringes of the big time, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
Burgess the master spy had arrived. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
The person through whom he'd pass information to Moscow changed from time to time. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:26 | |
The last of them was a man called Yuri Modin. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
Modin is dead now, but in Moscow | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
we unearthed an interview which has never been broadcast before. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
He recorded it with Russian Foreign Intelligence, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
that place over there. In it, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
he told a story of what happened back in England when | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
another officer went to collect Burgess's latest batch of secrets. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
Whether that's a tall story or not, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
what has now become clear from recently declassified documents | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
is that colleagues in the Foreign Office suspected nothing. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
There's one conference in Paris where you see | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
Sir Alexander Cadogan of the Foreign Office sitting next to | 0:36:41 | 0:36:44 | |
the Russian delegate, and we know that Burgess was giving | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
Cadogan's papers to the Russian before they went into the room. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
His Majesty's government have been compelled to draw from all this | 0:36:50 | 0:36:54 | |
that these restrictive measures were not introduced with the genuine | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
intention of defending the economy of the Soviet zone. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
Burgess was giving an insight into thinking within the Foreign Office. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:09 | |
Not only about relations with America, but also, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:15 | |
US and UK thinking about what they were going to do with post-war Germany. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:21 | |
One of the people in the British delegation was a young diplomat | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
called Brian Urquhart. In his autobiography, he tells | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
how Burgess offended some important foreign diplomats by turning up | 0:37:34 | 0:37:39 | |
to a meeting drunk and heavily painted and powdered for a night | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
on the town. Urquhart reported this to Cadogan, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
but he replied icily, that the Foreign Office | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
traditionally tolerated innocent eccentricity. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
Burgess, Urquhart notes dryly, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
was notorious long before he was known to be a Soviet agent. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
That was something Roger Lockyer confirmed to me. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
Among his gay friends in London Burgess was a hero. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
He was widely spoken of, as somebody who was setting a standard, in a way, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:16 | |
which we ought to try and live up to. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
A standard in refusing to be browbeaten. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
And one couldn't but admire the way in which he did it. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:28 | |
What was it that you heard? | 0:38:28 | 0:38:29 | |
We heard that he refused to kowtow, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
that when the authorities had said, "Well, you know, you ought to, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
"sort of, be less transparently gay, homosexual, queer." | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
He just refused to have any | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
truck with that. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
On Valentine's Day, 1949, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:53 | |
Burgess went out for the evening with a colleague in Hector McNeil's office. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
Burgess and Fred Warner had gone in to the upstairs bar, | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
along a flight of steps. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:03 | |
And at some point, coming out, probably very much the worse for wear. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:08 | |
They had either had some | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
banter or an argument, playful pushing, or aggressive pushing. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:17 | |
THUDS | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
Whatever happened, Burgess ended up at the bottom of the stairs, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
and of course, seems to have sustained some sort of injury around here. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:28 | |
Just how serious the injury was is impossible to know. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
But what is known is that he started taking strong painkillers | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
without changing his drinking habits. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
Mixing codeine and alcohol means that you become completely unpredictable, | 0:39:39 | 0:39:44 | |
there is even evidence, although, again, it's anecdotal, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:48 | |
that the KGB spotted this in London, | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
and they became alarmed that he became someone out of control. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:55 | |
At the end of 1949, Burgess decided to take a holiday with his mother, | 0:40:05 | 0:40:11 | |
perhaps to recover from his injuries. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
It turned into a sort of bedroom farce, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
with spies playing all the main parts. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
Scene one, Gibraltar. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
Then, as now, a chip of old England, | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
on the fringe of Europe. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:27 | |
These are photographs that I've dug up in searching for things. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
There's a photograph of my father meeting Franco. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
The cast list included Desmond Bristow, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
a wartime friend of Kim Philby's, who ran the Iberian section of MI6. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
This is his licence to bear arms. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
Which he was given so he was allowed to carry a gun around in Madrid and in Spain. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
HE SPEAKS SPANISH | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
Another player in this piece was Ken Mills, head of MI5 in Gibraltar. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:04 | |
The Mills family lived over there, | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
in that house covered in scaffolding. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
It was opposite the governor's house, in Governor's Lane. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
So, we used to look out of the window and see sentries, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
keeping guard, which is all, for children, very exciting. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
Burgess and his mum checked into the Rock Hotel where all the best people | 0:41:27 | 0:41:31 | |
stayed. His immediate problem was the £50 limit on holiday money then | 0:41:31 | 0:41:37 | |
enforced by the British government. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
And so he was put in touch with my father, | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
in the hope that he would be able to change his travellers cheques, | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
or give him some cash. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:48 | |
And so my father rang Desmond Bristow in London... | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
Pa's response was, "Oh, yes, I do know that little poof." | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
Don't touch him with a barge pole. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
But the Mills ignored that advice, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
and asked Burgess around to Governor's Lane for a drink. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
Several drinks, in fact. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:08 | |
I think I was both fascinated and repelled by this person at the | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
same time. There was something about the atmosphere about the man. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
There was something edgy, and out of control about him, which as a child, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:20 | |
I sort of, picked up on. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:21 | |
If the holiday had ended there, no harm would have been done. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:26 | |
But Burgess couldn't resist the lure of Tangier, a short way by sea, | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
but a million miles from respectable Gibraltar. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
Tangier was utterly thrilling, it was so different from Europe. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
Tangier itself was a teeming city, | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
it was full of people selling things, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
squatting on the ground, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
carpets laid out. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:57 | |
Wonderful brass pots hanging from walls. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
It was utterly exciting. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
This, when Burgess was here, was the home of the head of MI6. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
I haven't been here a long time. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:16 | |
Now there is a new owner. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:18 | |
His redoubtable predecessor was a woman called Teddy Dunlop. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
Desiree Buckingham, known as Dizzy, knew her well. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:28 | |
She lived here, her husband was a doctor, who delivered me into the world. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:36 | |
And they were wonderful gardeners. | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
Did people know that she worked for MI6? | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
I think so, yes. Yeah. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:46 | |
Well, my parents certainly knew. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:48 | |
Guy Burgess did not hit it off with Teddy Dunlop. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
As soon as he arrived he installed his mother in an elegant hotel, | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
and set off into town. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
That bleak doorway was the place he headed for. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
In those days, a bar, owned by a man called Harry Dean. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
That's where the sign used to be. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
That's where the bar used to be. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
Everyone used to go there, and he used to serve alcohol, | 0:44:14 | 0:44:18 | |
so either they nodded and winked, and agreed with the authorities, | 0:44:18 | 0:44:24 | |
or it was completely illegal. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:25 | |
I have no idea. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
And not just alcohol. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
There'd been these terrible complaints about Burgess, | 0:44:30 | 0:44:32 | |
because he'd been going around Tangier in all the gay places, and of course, | 0:44:32 | 0:44:36 | |
you know, there was a fairly large homosexual community in Tangier, | 0:44:36 | 0:44:41 | |
but it was all very quiet and very hush-hush. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
And he had gone around nicking what they called "bum boys", | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
from fairly important characters | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
and had run out of money. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
A worried Teddy Dunlop rang Ken Mills for advice. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:00 | |
My father went over there, and they met up with Burgess again, | 0:45:00 | 0:45:05 | |
and they had an encounter where he got very drunk and revealed | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
the existence of a Swiss person who used to bring information | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
to Teddy Dunlop, and my father as far as I know. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
Let's go up higher and see if we can find a Dunlop. | 0:45:21 | 0:45:25 | |
The person showing me around is Jonathan Dawson. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:27 | |
I guess he's like many of those stylish, | 0:45:29 | 0:45:31 | |
exuberant characters who lived here in the '50s. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:35 | |
We're searching for Teddy Dunlop's grave. | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
Born in Darjeeling, 1906, died in Tangier, 1969. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:50 | |
Margaret Isobel, Teddy Dunlop, that's her. That's Teddy. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
Teddy Dunlop was a woman of the world, | 0:45:53 | 0:45:55 | |
but even she was appalled by Burgess. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
Once Guy Burgess had left, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
my father and Teddy decided to make a formal complaint about him, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:06 | |
because they felt he was a risk to security. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
What they thought in Tangier was one thing, | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
what they thought in London, another. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
The deputy head of MI5 was Guy Liddle, | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
who belonged to the same club as Burgess. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
Not only was Guy Liddle very relaxed about the nature of the complaints that were made, | 0:46:26 | 0:46:34 | |
he came close to advising Guy Burgess on how to handle it. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:41 | |
Guy Burgess knew Guy Liddle well enough to be able to ring him up | 0:46:41 | 0:46:46 | |
on his private line, get straight through to | 0:46:46 | 0:46:50 | |
the Deputy Director General of the security service, and chat to him | 0:46:50 | 0:46:55 | |
in very friendly terms about this indiscretion. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:59 | |
They really seemed to take it in their stride. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:03 | |
It seemed to be that Guy Burgess constantly behaved like this, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:06 | |
and that it was a perfectly forgivable way of behaving | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
and that they weren't going to do anything about it. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
Instead of Burgess being sacked, it was his accuser, Ken Mills, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:17 | |
who found himself in trouble. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
Ken then went to London and got fairly seriously reprimanded for | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
basically, what he called, | 0:47:23 | 0:47:24 | |
I think it was almost like he had sneaked on a friend of his, | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
who was a fellow Brit. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
Bill Bristow's insights come from the book he co-wrote with his father. | 0:47:32 | 0:47:36 | |
A book they had to publish abroad to get around the MI6 censor. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:41 | |
Had his father thought Guy was being protected? | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
Yes, absolutely. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:45 | |
He certainly had protection from Hector McNeil. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
He was a powerful figure. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:50 | |
But I think there must have been other people who were prepared to | 0:47:50 | 0:47:53 | |
turn a blind eye to what Burgess was doing, or perhaps, protecting him. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
In Moscow they now understood what made Burgess special | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
as Modin had been telling them all along. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
It takes your breath away now. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:39 | |
# I'm a gambler, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:42 | |
# I keep on taking chances... # | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
Instead of the sack, Burgess gets posted to America, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:49 | |
despite the fact that he was openly anti-American, | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
and the embassy didn't want him anyway. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:54 | |
# I keep laying it down hard on the line. # | 0:48:54 | 0:48:59 | |
What the Foreign Office personnel department thought it was doing | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
by posting Burgess to the United States is really anybody's guess. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:07 | |
I suppose they concluded that an embassy as large as Washington | 0:49:07 | 0:49:11 | |
would be an environment in which | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
even somebody with his eccentricities might go unnoticed. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
Pretty feeble assessment, isn't it, | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
on their part, on all counts? | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
Well, in retrospect, it was absolutely catastrophic. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:26 | |
Stanley Weiss is one of the great American industrialists. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:44 | |
Friend to famous figures of our time. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
But in 1950, he was not happy. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
I had spent a year in Paris, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
had a great love affair which ended. | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
I was broken, I was really in a terrible shape. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
So he came to Southampton and boarded a liner bound for America. | 0:50:05 | 0:50:09 | |
Mission unaccomplished. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:12 | |
I decided I'd go somewhere and have a drink, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
and I went into the cabin class, | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
which is where the English diplomats were put, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:20 | |
and I saw this rather distinguished-looking guy, | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
and I sat down next to him. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:26 | |
And we struck up a conversation. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:28 | |
He liked to drink and I liked to drink. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:31 | |
So we became friends. | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
It was Guy Burgess. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
The crossing took several days, and the two men met frequently. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
After we'd had I don't know how many gins and tonics, | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
which he introduced me to, I had to go and pee. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
He went too. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
And he's the only person, man, who ever made a pass at me. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
And he... He tried to kiss me, and I said, "You know, you scratch!" | 0:50:56 | 0:51:01 | |
And then I said, "Look, I'm not a homophobe, but that's not for me." | 0:51:02 | 0:51:08 | |
He didn't seem to mind it at all. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
Already in America was his fellow Soviet agent, Kim Philby, | 0:51:12 | 0:51:16 | |
who'd been sent there nearly a year before by MI6. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
You might call this Embassy Road. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:27 | |
In fact, I think they do. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:29 | |
Because most of the grand houses along here are all embassies. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:34 | |
You'd have thought that normal spycraft might mean steering | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
well clear of Philby in public. | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
But Burgess... | 0:51:40 | 0:51:41 | |
Well, Burgess took a room in Philby's house. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
Well, it was obviously quite a large house. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:48 | |
It was stood in some grounds, | 0:51:48 | 0:51:50 | |
and we had wonderful pavements where I used to roller-skate. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:53 | |
He had a room in the basement. | 0:51:54 | 0:51:56 | |
I don't think he catered for himself downstairs. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
I don't think there was any catering facilities. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:03 | |
There might have been a washing machine, | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
but he probably didn't use that either. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
Everything's changed a bit now. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
But this, actually, | 0:52:12 | 0:52:15 | |
was the room that Burgess would have then lived in. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:19 | |
It was the spare bedroom. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:21 | |
Somewhere under there you can see the bed. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:26 | |
The British Embassy, about a mile away, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
was the grandest of the grand. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:32 | |
His new job meant he worked up there, near Philby on the first floor. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:40 | |
It's open plan now, but in those days this was a corridor, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
known as the Rogue's Gallery, | 0:52:46 | 0:52:48 | |
with several small offices off it. Philby had one of them, Burgess, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:53 | |
though far junior, another. | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
Burgess gets to Washington. No-one actually really wants him there. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
He's ostensibly meant to be working in the Far Eastern department. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:03 | |
Quite quickly, he is kicked out and put in the leasing department. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
And they kick him out pretty quickly, and so, really, | 0:53:06 | 0:53:08 | |
by the end of the year, only a few months after he's arrived, | 0:53:08 | 0:53:11 | |
he's got this rather nebulous job reporting on American public opinion. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
Which requires him to sit in bars all day and drink, | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
which is what suits him perfectly, down to the ground. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:22 | |
Philby, by contrast, was handling top-secret material. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:26 | |
Messages the Americans had been intercepting between Moscow | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
and their agents in the field. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:31 | |
The eavesdropping project was being run by the FBI. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:36 | |
One thing they'd already worked out was that a few years before, | 0:53:36 | 0:53:40 | |
a Soviet spy codenamed Homer had been operating | 0:53:40 | 0:53:43 | |
from the British Embassy in Washington. | 0:53:43 | 0:53:46 | |
Philby knew it was only a matter of time before MI5 back in London | 0:53:47 | 0:53:52 | |
worked out what he already knew. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:55 | |
That Homer was their Cambridge friend, Donald Maclean. | 0:53:55 | 0:54:01 | |
It's hard to imagine what was going through his mind. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
He must have been aghast at having to deal with Burgess, | 0:54:03 | 0:54:09 | |
having Burgess live in the same house as him, at that very critical time. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:14 | |
MUSIC: Worried Man Blues by Woody Guthrie | 0:54:14 | 0:54:18 | |
Maclean was now back in England. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
And Philby's problem was how to warn him without incriminating himself. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:32 | |
Intentionally or not, Burgess provided the answer. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:39 | |
Almost the only thing he liked about America was its cars. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:43 | |
He bought himself a white Lincoln Continental convertible. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:48 | |
And at the end of February, 1951, | 0:54:48 | 0:54:50 | |
he'd got in it to drive to South Carolina. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:54 | |
The embassy had been asked to provide a speaker at a military college in Charleston. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:59 | |
The trip was not a great success. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
First of all, he's caught speeding three times in the same day, | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
in the same state. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:06 | |
And then he turns up at this conference, and is drunk, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
gives a rambling speech, and various reports come in to the embassy. | 0:55:09 | 0:55:14 | |
And they've been looking for a reason to get rid of him | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
and this is their opportunity. | 0:55:17 | 0:55:19 | |
The ambassador told Burgess to pack his bags. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
He started his farewells by suggesting an outing | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
with Stanley Weiss that had parallels with his own life. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
We went to see a film called The Mudlark. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
About an outsider like himself, who'd lost his father when he was young. | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
I ain't got no mother. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:39 | |
Who looks after you, your dad? | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
No, I ain't got no dad either. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:43 | |
I remembered especially because he always carried a bottle of bourbon | 0:55:43 | 0:55:47 | |
or something with him. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:48 | |
And in the middle of the thing he dropped the bottle, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
and it broke open, and the whole place emptied out. | 0:55:51 | 0:55:55 | |
And that's when he said, well, why don't you come back to my pub, | 0:55:56 | 0:56:01 | |
I'd like to read you The Sheltering Sky. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
A new book, set in the world where Burgess had caused mayhem, | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
just a year earlier. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:13 | |
I said, "No monkey business. No monkey business." | 0:56:14 | 0:56:17 | |
So we went back there, and that's when I met Kim Philby. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:21 | |
Burgess's pub, as he called it, turned out to be Philby's home. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:28 | |
At the time, when Philby was there, he kept saying, you know, he's a spy. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
And, well, I didn't take it seriously. | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
I mean, Kim Philby, a spy? | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
I mean, you must be kidding. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:40 | |
In fact, a deadly serious game was now in play. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
Philby now had a safe way of warning Maclean. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:54 | |
But he knew that if anything went wrong, they were all sunk. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:57 | |
So the consummate schemer had an insurance plan. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
I went down to see Nigel West, | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
he's been roaming for years through this hall of mirrors. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:16 | |
He promised to show me a private memo Philby had written to MI6 | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
just before Burgess sailed for England. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:22 | |
I have it here. It is really one of the most extraordinary documents | 0:57:22 | 0:57:27 | |
of the Cold War. Dated 2nd April, 1951. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:31 | |
This was the final brick in the wall, that nailed Maclean. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:41 | |
What Philby points out is that although Homer, | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
or Gomer as it appears in Russian, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:47 | |
had been operating out of the embassy in Washington, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
all the messages they'd intercepted had been sent from New York. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:55 | |
So all that MI5 had to do was to try and find somebody | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
at the Washington embassy who'd been travelling | 0:57:59 | 0:58:03 | |
on a regular basis up to New York. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
And the only person that the shoe fitted, was Maclean. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:11 | |
And Maclean was meant to be his friend. | 0:58:11 | 0:58:15 | |
Really, the only explanation is self-preservation. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
Burgess's part in the Philby plan was just to warn Maclean, nothing else. | 0:58:21 | 0:58:26 | |
He took the boat train to London, to find Blunt waiting to meet him. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:31 | |
That should have been the end of the matter as far as he was concerned. | 0:58:54 | 0:58:58 | |
But Burgess was addicted to starring in his own life story. | 0:58:59 | 0:59:03 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:59:05 | 0:59:09 | |
A day or two later, the phone rang at a house by the River Thames. | 0:59:09 | 0:59:13 | |
It was the home of a long-standing friend, called Goronwy Rees. | 0:59:13 | 0:59:18 | |
He rang up and said he'd come back from America, | 0:59:18 | 0:59:21 | |
and could he come and see them. | 0:59:21 | 0:59:22 | |
And my sister, who didn't like him, she said, he's always bad for Rees. | 0:59:22 | 0:59:27 | |
Rees is absolutely in thrall to him. | 0:59:27 | 0:59:29 | |
He's got some sort of a hold over him. | 0:59:29 | 0:59:31 | |
I don't know what it is. | 0:59:31 | 0:59:33 | |
In fact, they had a hold over each other. | 0:59:33 | 0:59:36 | |
Before the war Burgess had recruited Rees to work for the Soviet Union too. | 0:59:36 | 0:59:41 | |
Initially Rees had agreed, but then changed his mind, | 0:59:43 | 0:59:47 | |
leaving each acutely vulnerable to the other's discretion. | 0:59:47 | 0:59:51 | |
The first I saw him was coming through the door at Falcon House, | 0:59:51 | 0:59:54 | |
and my sister said, don't leave them alone for a minute. | 0:59:54 | 0:59:58 | |
If they get up and go for a walk in the garden, go with them. | 0:59:59 | 1:00:02 | |
That kind of thing. Listen to everything that's said. | 1:00:02 | 1:00:05 | |
Everything about him was just up to the eyebrows. | 1:00:07 | 1:00:10 | |
Dropping his voice to a whisper with these, "Desperate secrets of state | 1:00:10 | 1:00:14 | |
"I'm telling you that nobody else must know about, Rees." | 1:00:14 | 1:00:17 | |
At around six, Rees and Burgess went down to the pub. | 1:00:17 | 1:00:21 | |
Mary, true to her sister's instructions, went along to listen in. | 1:00:24 | 1:00:28 | |
She said, "What did they talk about? | 1:00:28 | 1:00:30 | |
"What's happening? What does he want Rees to do now?" | 1:00:30 | 1:00:33 | |
And when they'd gone, Rees said, I heard him say to Margy, | 1:00:33 | 1:00:37 | |
"I think he's a spy." I think something terrible is going on. | 1:00:37 | 1:00:41 | |
Rees says, I think Guy is a spy? | 1:00:41 | 1:00:44 | |
Yes, he did. They sat up half the night thinking, God, what do we do? | 1:00:44 | 1:00:47 | |
I'm in trouble, and I should be sent somewhere | 1:00:47 | 1:00:50 | |
and I don't want that. | 1:00:50 | 1:00:51 | |
Over the next few days, | 1:00:53 | 1:00:54 | |
Burgess took himself off to Cambridge for an Apostle's dinner. | 1:00:54 | 1:00:58 | |
He then went drinking with old friends. | 1:01:00 | 1:01:04 | |
The Russians, meanwhile, were puzzling over how to get Maclean out. | 1:01:04 | 1:01:07 | |
They assumed that the ports and airports would all be | 1:01:08 | 1:01:11 | |
on the lookout for him, and there was no time to forge papers. | 1:01:11 | 1:01:14 | |
It was Blunt who came up with the answer. | 1:01:15 | 1:01:18 | |
The interview was going to take place on Monday morning. | 1:02:03 | 1:02:05 | |
When Maclean came into work, he was going to be approached, | 1:02:05 | 1:02:10 | |
escorted to Leconfield House, and then he would be cross-examined. | 1:02:10 | 1:02:14 | |
But Maclean was losing his nerve, | 1:02:17 | 1:02:19 | |
and said he'd rather face interrogation then try escaping. | 1:02:19 | 1:02:23 | |
The Russians turned to Burgess for help. They knew | 1:02:33 | 1:02:36 | |
it was dangerous to involve him, but time was running out. | 1:02:36 | 1:02:40 | |
On Thursday, 24th May, | 1:03:01 | 1:03:04 | |
Burgess and Maclean had lunch at The Reform Club. | 1:03:04 | 1:03:07 | |
The fact was reported back to MI5, | 1:03:07 | 1:03:10 | |
but nothing was made of Burgess's presence. | 1:03:10 | 1:03:14 | |
During April/May 1951, Burgess was not an espionage suspect. | 1:03:14 | 1:03:19 | |
He was friendly with the Deputy Director General | 1:03:19 | 1:03:23 | |
of the security service, so he was, in a sense, above suspicion. | 1:03:23 | 1:03:27 | |
The following day, 25th May, | 1:03:29 | 1:03:31 | |
Maclean left work early to celebrate his 38th birthday. | 1:03:31 | 1:03:36 | |
Unnoticed by anyone, | 1:03:36 | 1:03:38 | |
Burgess was hurrying around London buying cruise tickets, | 1:03:38 | 1:03:42 | |
and hiring a car. | 1:03:42 | 1:03:44 | |
In their headquarters in Curzon Street, | 1:03:45 | 1:03:47 | |
the MI5 case officers were sitting around a table, | 1:03:47 | 1:03:50 | |
planning Maclean's interrogation, | 1:03:50 | 1:03:53 | |
sublimely unaware of what was actually happening. | 1:03:53 | 1:03:56 | |
No reason to suppose that he was about to defect. | 1:03:56 | 1:04:02 | |
His wife was pregnant, and one of his two children was ill. | 1:04:02 | 1:04:06 | |
That was a miscalculation. | 1:04:08 | 1:04:09 | |
His wife, Melinda, was a tough-minded American. | 1:04:09 | 1:04:12 | |
Maclean and his family lived in a large house south of London. | 1:04:23 | 1:04:26 | |
Burgess arrived in his hired car, guessing the place was bugged. | 1:04:28 | 1:04:33 | |
Burgess introduces himself for the benefit of the listeners as | 1:04:33 | 1:04:36 | |
Roger Styles, he takes the name from two Agatha Christie novels. | 1:04:36 | 1:04:40 | |
The two men have dinner with Melinda. | 1:04:40 | 1:04:43 | |
Maclean says good night to his two young sons, | 1:04:43 | 1:04:46 | |
and then the two of them drive down the 100 miles to Southampton | 1:04:46 | 1:04:49 | |
to catch the midnight crossing. | 1:04:49 | 1:04:51 | |
Whether Burgess had already made up his mind to defect, | 1:04:52 | 1:04:55 | |
rather than just leave Maclean in France, is anybody's guess. | 1:04:55 | 1:04:59 | |
As it was, they only just made the boat in time. | 1:04:59 | 1:05:03 | |
Back in London, the phone rang. | 1:05:20 | 1:05:21 | |
They were stood in the office. | 1:05:23 | 1:05:24 | |
They continued working until about midnight, | 1:05:25 | 1:05:28 | |
when they received a fateful message. | 1:05:28 | 1:05:31 | |
An immigration officer in Southampton had spotted a man | 1:05:31 | 1:05:35 | |
answering Maclean's description boarding the SS Falaise. | 1:05:35 | 1:05:39 | |
MI5's instructions had been to look out for him, not to stop him. | 1:05:39 | 1:05:44 | |
So he was now sailing to France, and Burgess was with him. | 1:05:45 | 1:05:49 | |
The meeting had been breaking up, people were going to go home, | 1:05:49 | 1:05:54 | |
but they sit down again, and they decide on what to do. | 1:05:54 | 1:05:59 | |
Which was to send one of their best men, Dick White, | 1:06:00 | 1:06:03 | |
to meet the ship in Saint-Malo. | 1:06:03 | 1:06:05 | |
White goes home, grabs his passport, goes to the airport, | 1:06:05 | 1:06:12 | |
but when he gets to the airport, | 1:06:12 | 1:06:14 | |
he realises that his passport is out of date. | 1:06:14 | 1:06:17 | |
So now what? | 1:06:17 | 1:06:18 | |
There was no MI5 officer in Paris, | 1:06:18 | 1:06:22 | |
the secret intelligence service station was closed for the weekend. | 1:06:22 | 1:06:26 | |
No-one outside the room knew what had happened. | 1:06:27 | 1:06:30 | |
No-one inside could think what to do. | 1:06:30 | 1:06:34 | |
So they went home for the weekend themselves. | 1:06:34 | 1:06:36 | |
It's not quite like in the movies, is it? | 1:06:36 | 1:06:39 | |
Well... | 1:06:39 | 1:06:41 | |
This is a very bureaucratic organisation. | 1:06:41 | 1:06:44 | |
There are limits on what these intelligence officers can accomplish. | 1:06:44 | 1:06:48 | |
-RADIO: -'This is the BBC Home Service, and here is the news. | 1:07:04 | 1:07:07 | |
'The Foreign Secretary made his expected statement | 1:07:07 | 1:07:11 | |
'in Parliament today, about the disappearance of the two | 1:07:11 | 1:07:14 | |
'Foreign Office officials, Mr Maclean, and Mr Burgess.' | 1:07:14 | 1:07:17 | |
By the time the British public got to know, | 1:07:20 | 1:07:22 | |
Burgess and Maclean were a long way away. | 1:07:22 | 1:07:25 | |
According to the Russians, they had got a taxi to Rennes, | 1:07:30 | 1:07:33 | |
a train from there to Paris, and then on to Switzerland. | 1:07:34 | 1:07:39 | |
In Zurich, Russian officials gave them false papers, | 1:07:40 | 1:07:43 | |
and put them on a plane going to Stockholm, via Prague. | 1:07:43 | 1:07:46 | |
Back in London, there were several shades of panic in high places. | 1:08:12 | 1:08:16 | |
The security service, they had bungled, but they couldn't | 1:08:16 | 1:08:21 | |
bring themselves to admit the full-scale of the bungle. | 1:08:21 | 1:08:25 | |
No-one really knew what to make of it. | 1:08:27 | 1:08:30 | |
Burgess was known to be left wing in his sympathies, | 1:08:30 | 1:08:36 | |
but not believed to be bright enough to be a communist agent. | 1:08:36 | 1:08:40 | |
It was only within the first week that they started asking themselves, | 1:08:40 | 1:08:45 | |
whether Burgess might actually have been something that could shock them all. | 1:08:45 | 1:08:50 | |
MI5 contacted Blunt. They knew he was friendly with Burgess. | 1:08:50 | 1:08:54 | |
He, of course, had been the right-hand man to | 1:08:54 | 1:08:57 | |
the head of counterespionage, Guy Liddle. | 1:08:57 | 1:08:59 | |
When he fled, Guy Burgess had been living in a flat just off Piccadilly | 1:08:59 | 1:09:03 | |
with a man called Jack Hewitt. | 1:09:03 | 1:09:05 | |
Blunt said that he would very kindly get the key off Jack Hewitt, | 1:09:05 | 1:09:09 | |
and he would open up for MI5, who wanted to get in. | 1:09:09 | 1:09:14 | |
Blunt turned up with the key and found two MI5 men waiting. | 1:09:14 | 1:09:18 | |
The two officers sort of, turned, very casually to Blunt, and say, | 1:09:18 | 1:09:23 | |
"Perhaps you'd like to give us a hand?" | 1:09:23 | 1:09:25 | |
And all three of them go up to the flat. | 1:09:25 | 1:09:27 | |
Blunt, of course, used the opportunity to dry clean the flat, | 1:09:29 | 1:09:31 | |
and make sure there were no incriminating papers left behind. | 1:09:31 | 1:09:35 | |
Unfortunately, he didn't do enough dry-cleaning, | 1:09:35 | 1:09:37 | |
and they did find some material. | 1:09:37 | 1:09:38 | |
Including an astonishingly personal letter | 1:09:40 | 1:09:43 | |
from a woman called Esther Whitfield, | 1:09:43 | 1:09:46 | |
which she had specifically asked Guy Burgess to destroy. | 1:09:46 | 1:09:50 | |
The significance of this letter is that this was a letter which nobody | 1:09:52 | 1:09:56 | |
was ever meant to see, other than Guy Burgess. | 1:09:56 | 1:09:59 | |
The agent's report stated that Burgess was actually engaged to be | 1:10:00 | 1:10:04 | |
married to Esther Whitfield, and what made that doubly significant | 1:10:04 | 1:10:08 | |
was that she was Philby's personal secretary in Washington. | 1:10:08 | 1:10:12 | |
Esther worked in the Rogue's Gallery. | 1:10:12 | 1:10:14 | |
This was a highly secure part of the embassy, where, basically, | 1:10:14 | 1:10:17 | |
the MI6 and MI5 people were based. | 1:10:17 | 1:10:20 | |
And given that Philby was a big person inside MI6, | 1:10:20 | 1:10:23 | |
she would have been seeing all sorts of fascinating documents. | 1:10:23 | 1:10:27 | |
And she was the one who, of course, | 1:10:27 | 1:10:28 | |
got the message late at night saying that Burgess had flown. | 1:10:28 | 1:10:34 | |
A badly shaken MI5 thought they detected the whiff of a conspiracy. | 1:10:36 | 1:10:41 | |
You actually see, in some of the documents, | 1:10:41 | 1:10:43 | |
where they are linking Maclean, Burgess, Philby and Whitfield | 1:10:43 | 1:10:47 | |
as if there are potentially, a kind of, foursome of spies. | 1:10:47 | 1:10:51 | |
Esther had, in fact, said no to Guy's proposal, | 1:10:51 | 1:10:55 | |
but it was enough to get the head of MI5, no less, | 1:10:55 | 1:10:58 | |
scurrying out to Washington to interrogate her. | 1:10:58 | 1:11:02 | |
Because, I think, they took it seriously that she might be | 1:11:02 | 1:11:05 | |
a member of the ring. The telegram that was sent, | 1:11:05 | 1:11:07 | |
saying that she had been engaged to Burgess, actually says, | 1:11:07 | 1:11:10 | |
no documents about this should be shown to Philby or his secretary. | 1:11:10 | 1:11:15 | |
It didn't help when it emerged that for a whole year, | 1:11:15 | 1:11:19 | |
all three had been living under the same roof. | 1:11:19 | 1:11:23 | |
I remember Esther, but I didn't know what her role was at all. | 1:11:23 | 1:11:27 | |
She was just a friend of the family, as far as I knew. | 1:11:27 | 1:11:30 | |
Esther was in the attic, | 1:11:36 | 1:11:37 | |
with a retractable ladder going up there | 1:11:37 | 1:11:40 | |
and Burgess was placed in the basement. | 1:11:40 | 1:11:42 | |
I mean, I didn't even know that she worked with Dad, but then, | 1:11:42 | 1:11:45 | |
as children, you don't really question what your father's doing. | 1:11:45 | 1:11:48 | |
The attic's changed a bit since then, but it was probably up here | 1:11:50 | 1:11:54 | |
that she wrote the letter which Burgess left in his flat when he fled. | 1:11:54 | 1:11:58 | |
"Guy," it says, "there is one thing | 1:11:58 | 1:12:02 | |
"I'd like to say to you about the bed." | 1:12:02 | 1:12:04 | |
It had obviously not been very successful in bed. | 1:12:04 | 1:12:07 | |
And then she goes on... | 1:12:07 | 1:12:09 | |
She could have lived with the absence of "the bed", | 1:12:09 | 1:12:11 | |
but she couldn't have lived without the attention, | 1:12:11 | 1:12:14 | |
care and interest that she would have wanted from her husband. | 1:12:14 | 1:12:18 | |
The evidence that she was involved in spying was flimsy, | 1:12:19 | 1:12:23 | |
the evidence that Burgess, at 40, was growing tired of the wild side, | 1:12:23 | 1:12:28 | |
rather stronger, but it didn't save her from the nervous mandarins. | 1:12:28 | 1:12:33 | |
She was sacked from the service, and indeed, continually, I would say, | 1:12:33 | 1:12:37 | |
harassed by MI5 after that. | 1:12:37 | 1:12:39 | |
And she never got married? | 1:12:41 | 1:12:42 | |
She never had another relationship with anyone. | 1:12:42 | 1:12:45 | |
Philby was recalled to London, and also sacked. | 1:12:50 | 1:12:53 | |
But he wasn't charged with anything, | 1:12:53 | 1:12:56 | |
and for decades information trickled out only through nods and winks. | 1:12:56 | 1:13:01 | |
Almost nothing reached the National Archives here. | 1:13:03 | 1:13:07 | |
But in the last two years that has begun to change, | 1:13:07 | 1:13:10 | |
and although the picture is still incomplete, | 1:13:10 | 1:13:13 | |
for historians like Jeff Hulbert, it's been a gold mine. | 1:13:13 | 1:13:16 | |
What much of it shows, | 1:13:19 | 1:13:20 | |
is that their immediate headache was not where the missing diplomats | 1:13:20 | 1:13:24 | |
might be, but what to tell the Americans about their blunder. | 1:13:24 | 1:13:28 | |
A top secret committee of enquiry was set up, | 1:13:28 | 1:13:31 | |
under Sir Alexander Cadogan, remember him? | 1:13:31 | 1:13:34 | |
The Foreign Office boss who, three years before, | 1:13:34 | 1:13:38 | |
had called Burgess's behaviour "innocent eccentricity". | 1:13:38 | 1:13:42 | |
One of the pieces of evidence they considered was a report by | 1:13:42 | 1:13:46 | |
Robin Hooper, then head of personnel at the Foreign Office. | 1:13:46 | 1:13:50 | |
He went to the nub of the matter - | 1:13:50 | 1:13:52 | |
could being homosexual have anything to do with becoming a traitor? | 1:13:52 | 1:13:57 | |
It's called, "The problem of homosexuality in relation to employment in the Foreign Service." | 1:14:00 | 1:14:06 | |
Nearly 70 years after it was written, | 1:14:06 | 1:14:10 | |
it seems surprisingly liberal in its treatment. | 1:14:10 | 1:14:14 | |
It reports a balance of medical opinion that | 1:14:14 | 1:14:18 | |
essentially says it's in the genes, and so therefore it is natural. | 1:14:18 | 1:14:22 | |
It is not something that either can be treated, or ought to be treated. | 1:14:22 | 1:14:29 | |
But he did list some of the risks. | 1:14:29 | 1:14:31 | |
It's very interesting, | 1:14:31 | 1:14:32 | |
he's saying that they are under psychological stress, | 1:14:32 | 1:14:35 | |
of one sort or another. | 1:14:35 | 1:14:36 | |
Then he makes the point that there is a solidarity between homosexuals, | 1:14:36 | 1:14:40 | |
which may, in certain cases, override other loyalties. | 1:14:40 | 1:14:45 | |
The report was buried. | 1:14:47 | 1:14:49 | |
It was Robin Hooper's son, Martin, who tipped me off about its existence. | 1:14:49 | 1:14:53 | |
When was the last time you were in this building? | 1:14:53 | 1:14:56 | |
My goodness, that was the Coronation, 1953! | 1:14:56 | 1:15:00 | |
My father's office was up on the first floor, | 1:15:00 | 1:15:04 | |
with the finest view of The Mall that you could ever hope for. | 1:15:04 | 1:15:09 | |
It was known in those friendly circles as Hooper On Buggery. | 1:15:09 | 1:15:13 | |
Cadogan's own report is an exercise in damage limitation. | 1:15:13 | 1:15:19 | |
Burgess had been severely admonished after the Tangier business, it said. | 1:15:20 | 1:15:25 | |
Yes, there was talk of him being a homosexual, but no hard evidence. | 1:15:25 | 1:15:30 | |
And anyway, no need to tell the public. | 1:15:30 | 1:15:33 | |
The report goes to the Permanent Secretary, | 1:15:34 | 1:15:37 | |
the boss of the Foreign Office. | 1:15:37 | 1:15:40 | |
It goes to the Foreign Secretary, it goes to the Prime Minister, | 1:15:40 | 1:15:46 | |
and it goes to the Cabinet Secretary. | 1:15:46 | 1:15:49 | |
And that's where it stops. | 1:15:49 | 1:15:52 | |
And their recommendations after this fiasco? | 1:15:53 | 1:15:57 | |
Well, maybe some positive vetting would be a good idea. | 1:15:57 | 1:16:00 | |
But the three wise men concluded, | 1:16:00 | 1:16:03 | |
nothing was radically wrong inside the Foreign Office. | 1:16:03 | 1:16:08 | |
There is a telling phrase in the report, which is, | 1:16:08 | 1:16:12 | |
it refers to, "In public school parlance." | 1:16:12 | 1:16:15 | |
"It would be distasteful to encourage the notion that it is | 1:16:15 | 1:16:19 | |
"a duty of every member of the service to watch the behaviour of | 1:16:19 | 1:16:23 | |
"his colleagues, in school parlance, to blab about them to the head." | 1:16:23 | 1:16:27 | |
So, in other words, don't tell on your colleagues | 1:16:27 | 1:16:31 | |
if they are doing something that you disapprove of, | 1:16:31 | 1:16:35 | |
because that's not the way British people do things. | 1:16:35 | 1:16:40 | |
But not every British citizen got off so lightly. | 1:16:42 | 1:16:46 | |
The Conservatives returned to power in October, | 1:16:47 | 1:16:50 | |
and the new Home Secretary, took a quite different line | 1:16:50 | 1:16:54 | |
on what sort of lifestyle was beyond the pale. | 1:16:54 | 1:16:57 | |
He made no secret of the fact that he was going to lead a crusade | 1:16:57 | 1:17:03 | |
to get rid of this appalling vice, and so... | 1:17:03 | 1:17:07 | |
I mean, we regarded him as the enemy incarnate. | 1:17:07 | 1:17:10 | |
One really felt persecuted. | 1:17:10 | 1:17:13 | |
By then, Burgess had his own peculiar punishment to endure. | 1:17:36 | 1:17:40 | |
Living with Donald Maclean in the closed city of Kuybyshev, | 1:17:40 | 1:17:45 | |
now known as Samara. | 1:17:45 | 1:17:46 | |
And this is the building where they lived, then a new block, | 1:17:53 | 1:17:57 | |
just completed by German prisoners of war. | 1:17:57 | 1:18:01 | |
The two strangers were known to locals as Jim Elliott and Mark Fraser. | 1:18:01 | 1:18:07 | |
They each had an apartment upstairs, and amazingly, | 1:18:07 | 1:18:11 | |
we found a woman living there who'd met them then | 1:18:11 | 1:18:15 | |
and now had one of the flats they'd occupied. | 1:18:15 | 1:18:18 | |
They didn't go out much, she said. | 1:18:30 | 1:18:33 | |
Maclean set about learning Russian, but Burgess never bothered. | 1:18:33 | 1:18:38 | |
And when they left, | 1:18:38 | 1:18:39 | |
Genrietta discovered that both of them had been under surveillance | 1:18:39 | 1:18:43 | |
all the time they were here. | 1:18:43 | 1:18:44 | |
Five years later, | 1:19:19 | 1:19:20 | |
two men walked from this hotel in Moscow across the square, | 1:19:20 | 1:19:25 | |
and into the rather more ornate National Hotel. | 1:19:25 | 1:19:28 | |
They were then escorted up to the first floor, and into room 101. | 1:19:31 | 1:19:37 | |
Waiting inside were two Western journalists, and two Russians, | 1:19:38 | 1:19:42 | |
about to be given a world scoop. | 1:19:42 | 1:19:45 | |
The first encounter with Donald Maclean and Guy Burgess since they'd disappeared. | 1:19:45 | 1:19:50 | |
This was the Sunday Times headline the next day. | 1:19:57 | 1:20:00 | |
Burgess and Maclean had handed out a statement, | 1:20:00 | 1:20:02 | |
insisting they'd been working for peace. | 1:20:02 | 1:20:05 | |
They hadn't been spying, and they weren't answering any questions. | 1:20:05 | 1:20:09 | |
But somehow, Burgess had contrived to earn this headline. | 1:20:11 | 1:20:14 | |
And now he'd broken cover, there was no stopping him. | 1:20:14 | 1:20:18 | |
Tom Driberg, a Labour MP | 1:20:21 | 1:20:23 | |
with a comparably edgy sex life came out to Moscow to see him. | 1:20:23 | 1:20:28 | |
Soon afterwards, Burgess's account appeared in print. | 1:20:28 | 1:20:33 | |
Sticking to his story that he was not a spy, | 1:20:33 | 1:20:36 | |
but a sympathetic tourist. | 1:20:36 | 1:20:39 | |
In Moscow last week, Close Up met Guy Burgess, | 1:20:39 | 1:20:43 | |
and interviewed him in the shadow of the Kremlin. | 1:20:43 | 1:20:46 | |
And finally, an appearance on television. | 1:20:46 | 1:20:49 | |
It's no use me saying I'm not a traitor. | 1:20:49 | 1:20:51 | |
That means nothing. Of course I'm not. | 1:20:51 | 1:20:54 | |
But it's only I who know that. | 1:20:54 | 1:20:59 | |
I went abroad, I was a tourist. | 1:20:59 | 1:21:01 | |
There are still a lot of people who leave England to live abroad, | 1:21:01 | 1:21:05 | |
for various reasons, nobody thinks it's odd. | 1:21:05 | 1:21:08 | |
Though I think it's wrong there are people who go to live in Kenya, | 1:21:08 | 1:21:13 | |
because only there can they afford to keep butlers. | 1:21:13 | 1:21:16 | |
I live in the Soviet Union because I have, all my life, | 1:21:16 | 1:21:19 | |
since I was a student, been a socialist. | 1:21:19 | 1:21:22 | |
And the Soviet Union is the leading socialist country in the world. | 1:21:22 | 1:21:27 | |
The interview was shot in the gardens near where he lived. | 1:21:27 | 1:21:30 | |
Not exactly in the shadow of the Kremlin, | 1:21:30 | 1:21:33 | |
but not far from the city centre. | 1:21:33 | 1:21:35 | |
He lived on the third floor. | 1:21:35 | 1:21:37 | |
Someone told us that Burgess's flat was the one without a number, | 1:21:37 | 1:21:41 | |
but that the woman in the flat next door had been there when he was there. | 1:21:41 | 1:21:46 | |
She wouldn't open the door, or talk about this hero of the Soviet Union. | 1:21:51 | 1:21:56 | |
He drank a lot of cognac, she said, not much of a hero. | 1:21:59 | 1:22:03 | |
These days, Helen Sommerville works occasionally in an antique shop in West London. | 1:22:18 | 1:22:24 | |
But back in 1960, she was working for MI5. | 1:22:25 | 1:22:29 | |
Her job was to distribute the mail that had been intercepted | 1:22:31 | 1:22:35 | |
by the Post Office in central London, | 1:22:35 | 1:22:37 | |
which included all the letters Guy Burgess was sending | 1:22:37 | 1:22:41 | |
to England from his exile in Moscow. | 1:22:41 | 1:22:44 | |
They steamed them open with a kettle. Well, I know they did, | 1:22:44 | 1:22:47 | |
because I was taken down there to have a look. | 1:22:47 | 1:22:49 | |
I remember, particularly, were the ones to his mother, | 1:22:49 | 1:22:52 | |
which were really pathetic. | 1:22:52 | 1:22:54 | |
They were so sad, and he was so, you know, pouring out his unhappiness. | 1:22:54 | 1:22:59 | |
His mother, Evelyn Bassett, | 1:23:00 | 1:23:02 | |
had been out to see him soon after his reappearance. | 1:23:02 | 1:23:05 | |
But she was now too old to travel. | 1:23:05 | 1:23:07 | |
In the past, Burgess had often taken refuge at her home in the country. | 1:23:09 | 1:23:15 | |
But as hope dwindled of ever seeing that home again, | 1:23:15 | 1:23:19 | |
Guy fastened greedily onto any friends who came to Russia. | 1:23:19 | 1:23:24 | |
The artist, Julian Trevelyan, for instance, | 1:23:24 | 1:23:27 | |
had been in the pro-Soviet set at Trinity. | 1:23:27 | 1:23:30 | |
Anybody who was anybody at Cambridge was considered to be a communist. | 1:23:30 | 1:23:34 | |
And, no, Julian was left wing. | 1:23:34 | 1:23:37 | |
In 1960, Julian and his wife, fellow artist Mary Fedden, | 1:23:37 | 1:23:42 | |
went to Russia to see an old friend called Ralph Parker. | 1:23:42 | 1:23:45 | |
Family photograph album, is it? | 1:23:45 | 1:23:47 | |
Yes. The story in Julian's diary is that when they arrived, | 1:23:47 | 1:23:53 | |
there was Ralph Parker, there was Julian, there's Mary, | 1:23:53 | 1:23:57 | |
and Ralph must have handed Mary a little note. | 1:23:57 | 1:24:00 | |
And on it was said, "Come and see me the moment you reach Moscow." | 1:24:00 | 1:24:06 | |
Signed Guy Burgess. | 1:24:06 | 1:24:08 | |
It was like something out of a Graham Greene film or something. | 1:24:08 | 1:24:14 | |
"We then had lunch with Guy Burgess, | 1:24:14 | 1:24:16 | |
"who lives in a block of rather dingy flats near a monastery, | 1:24:16 | 1:24:20 | |
"with kids playing all around. | 1:24:20 | 1:24:22 | |
"His flat is stacked with books and records, | 1:24:22 | 1:24:24 | |
"and he's looked after by an old babushka | 1:24:24 | 1:24:27 | |
"who shouts at him when he tries to go out into the street in his silk | 1:24:27 | 1:24:31 | |
"pyjamas. Delicious lunch, cold soup, vodka and Hock. | 1:24:31 | 1:24:36 | |
"He is full, and well looked after in Moscow, he says." | 1:24:36 | 1:24:40 | |
Here's Mary. | 1:24:40 | 1:24:42 | |
Every day we were in Moscow we saw him. | 1:24:42 | 1:24:46 | |
This is Guy, here. | 1:24:46 | 1:24:47 | |
He was so eager to talk to English people, and people from home, | 1:24:47 | 1:24:54 | |
and he was very homesick. | 1:24:54 | 1:24:56 | |
He longed to come home, but knew that he would go to prison if he did. | 1:24:56 | 1:25:00 | |
Back in London, they went on steaming open Guy's letters, | 1:25:02 | 1:25:06 | |
in case he gave something, or someone, away. | 1:25:06 | 1:25:09 | |
Anthony Blunt, I remember him, | 1:25:10 | 1:25:12 | |
because he was another person who I knew was of interest. | 1:25:12 | 1:25:16 | |
By now, Anthony Blunt was Sir Anthony Blunt, | 1:25:17 | 1:25:20 | |
and Surveyor Of The Queen's Pictures. | 1:25:20 | 1:25:23 | |
And what sort of things were in the letters to Blunt? | 1:25:23 | 1:25:25 | |
Mainly, as far as I remember, describing his boyfriends, | 1:25:26 | 1:25:30 | |
his new boyfriends, and their various attributes. | 1:25:30 | 1:25:32 | |
Physical attributes, with little sketches. | 1:25:32 | 1:25:36 | |
Little sketches of what? | 1:25:37 | 1:25:39 | |
Their faces? | 1:25:39 | 1:25:40 | |
No. | 1:25:40 | 1:25:42 | |
Not their faces! | 1:25:42 | 1:25:43 | |
# Someday | 1:25:48 | 1:25:51 | |
# You'll be sorry... # | 1:25:51 | 1:25:56 | |
But sex wasn't what he was lacking. | 1:25:56 | 1:26:00 | |
The KGB had turned a blind eye to his excursions into the streets for | 1:26:00 | 1:26:04 | |
company, and found a young man called Tollya to live with him. | 1:26:04 | 1:26:08 | |
But since Tollya didn't speak English, | 1:26:08 | 1:26:11 | |
and Burgess hardly spoke Russian, the relationship had its limits. | 1:26:11 | 1:26:15 | |
Unlike Donald Maclean, who by now did speak Russian, | 1:26:20 | 1:26:24 | |
and had his family with him, Burgess lived alone, tended by Tollya, | 1:26:24 | 1:26:29 | |
and a long-suffering KGB housekeeper, called Auntie Nadia. | 1:26:29 | 1:26:33 | |
Ira Gorbachova didn't really know Burgess himself, | 1:26:44 | 1:26:47 | |
but knew all about him from her friends, the Macleans. | 1:26:47 | 1:26:51 | |
One night, when she was baby-sitting for them, the phone rang. | 1:26:52 | 1:26:55 | |
At the beginning of 1963, his old friend Kim Philby fled to Moscow too. | 1:27:21 | 1:27:27 | |
Had it not been for Burgess | 1:27:27 | 1:27:29 | |
breaking his promise to Philby not to defect with Maclean, | 1:27:29 | 1:27:33 | |
this man might have ended up as head of MI6. | 1:27:33 | 1:27:36 | |
But Philby's widow, Rufina, told me they never met to talk about it. | 1:27:39 | 1:27:43 | |
The KGB told Philby that Burgess didn't want to see him, | 1:27:43 | 1:27:48 | |
and then told Burgess that Philby didn't want to see him. | 1:27:48 | 1:27:51 | |
A few months later, Burgess was dead. | 1:27:53 | 1:27:57 | |
Memories of him forever defined by his treachery more than his talent. | 1:27:57 | 1:28:01 | |
I always thought he was a bad lot. For God's sake, | 1:28:01 | 1:28:04 | |
how could that man have been so important. | 1:28:04 | 1:28:09 | |
There's his Russian name - dear Jim Andreevich Elliott. | 1:28:09 | 1:28:14 | |
These are the banners that were draped on his coffin | 1:28:14 | 1:28:17 | |
at his funeral in Moscow, attended by the Macleans, | 1:28:17 | 1:28:21 | |
his younger brother, Nigel, and of course, the KGB. | 1:28:21 | 1:28:25 | |
There were no gigantic secrets that he betrayed, | 1:28:25 | 1:28:28 | |
it was really his connections and his political analysis | 1:28:28 | 1:28:32 | |
that I think made him of value. | 1:28:32 | 1:28:34 | |
Oh, yes, underneath "Guy Burgess", in smaller lettering. | 1:28:34 | 1:28:39 | |
He was really flattered by their interest in him, | 1:28:39 | 1:28:42 | |
and they were obviously very clever at keeping him warm and keeping him | 1:28:42 | 1:28:47 | |
happy, although there were moments when they just wondered | 1:28:47 | 1:28:50 | |
if he was a complete fake. | 1:28:50 | 1:28:52 | |
The banners are now at the home of Guy's nephew, Anthony Burgess, | 1:28:53 | 1:28:57 | |
along with the handwritten will - grisly document, as he called it. | 1:28:57 | 1:29:02 | |
Burgess had long given up hope of ever seeing his home again | 1:29:05 | 1:29:09 | |
when he wrote it, but his bequests are tinged with deeper regrets. | 1:29:09 | 1:29:13 | |
Burgess wanted his possessions to be divided in four - | 1:29:16 | 1:29:19 | |
one quarter to Anthony Blunt, | 1:29:19 | 1:29:21 | |
the friend and lover he led towards treachery, | 1:29:21 | 1:29:24 | |
one quarter to Esther Whitfield, the woman he carelessly betrayed, | 1:29:24 | 1:29:29 | |
one quarter to Tollya, | 1:29:29 | 1:29:31 | |
who was immediately sucked back into the KGB shadows, | 1:29:31 | 1:29:35 | |
and one quarter to Philby. | 1:29:35 | 1:29:37 | |
Signed by Guy Burgess. | 1:29:39 | 1:29:40 | |
But not a whiff of recantation. | 1:29:41 | 1:29:44 | |
I think this is the great paradox about Burgess, | 1:29:45 | 1:29:47 | |
that even though he was well aware, throughout his career, | 1:29:47 | 1:29:50 | |
of what the Soviet Union was like, he still believed in it. | 1:29:50 | 1:29:54 | |
They have a phrase in Russia, | 1:29:54 | 1:29:57 | |
which is... | 1:29:57 | 1:29:59 | |
a nonparty Bolshevik. | 1:29:59 | 1:30:02 | |
I would be very proud indeed if I had earned such a title. | 1:30:02 | 1:30:07 | |
If you are this kind of person, who loves having this secret power, | 1:30:07 | 1:30:12 | |
to know something nobody else knows, then espionage is for you. | 1:30:12 | 1:30:19 | |
But if you are a professional spy, you quite quickly understand that | 1:30:19 | 1:30:26 | |
you don't mean much in this world. | 1:30:26 | 1:30:29 | |
# I'm a gambler | 1:30:34 | 1:30:36 | |
# I keep on taking chances | 1:30:36 | 1:30:39 | |
# And I'm playing with my time | 1:30:39 | 1:30:40 | |
# And if I lose well | 1:30:44 | 1:30:45 | |
# Now I ain't gonna wallow | 1:30:45 | 1:30:48 | |
# I keep laying it down hard on the line... # | 1:30:48 | 1:30:53 |