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'I'm Andrew Graham-Dixon and I'm an art historian.'

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We're in the basement of Italian history.

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'And I'm Giorgio Locatelli and I'm a chef.'

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Untuosa, unctuous.

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'We are both passionate about my homeland, Italy.'

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Come on, everybody! Let's go!

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The rich flavour and classic dishes of this land are in my culinary DNA.

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Pasta will be hanging.

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And this country's rich layers of art

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and history have captivated me since childhood.

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It actually brings out the naked body all the more.

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In this series, we'll be travelling all the way down

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the west coast of the country from top to toe.

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-Stepping off the tourist track wherever we go.

-This is so Italian.

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I want to show off some of my country's most surprising food.

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It's hot.

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Often most born out of necessity but leaving a legacy that's still

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shaping Italian modern cuisine around the world.

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And the art too, is fantastic.

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Exotic, deeply rooted in history.

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This week we're in beautiful Lazio and unlike many visitors,

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we're going to ignore its famous capital city, Rome,

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and focus on the amazing legacy

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of those who took refuge here from the cauldron of Rome life.

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We'll be trying incredibly diverse dishes

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from the banqueting halls of the glutton popes to the peasant kitchen,

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where nothing gets wasted.

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This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting.

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For centuries, Lazio has been a land where dramatic stories have unfolded

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and you can still read them in the region's art and architecture.

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It's a rich and very generous land,

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where for us, not all roads lead to Rome.

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I think a lot of people think of Lazio as being a football team.

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They don't even realise that it's a...

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You know, it's an entire province

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full of wonderful things to see, wonderful things to eat.

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One thing that you must always remember is, like...

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that here is where the Romans invented

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the idea of the weekend.

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So here is dotted with absolutely beautiful places where people

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retire from the cosmopolitan...

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-Yeah.

-..you know...

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-triggering malice of the town.

-The idea... Yeah.

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So it's lovely to be in Lazio, with this tree cover, the woods.

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In fact, we are on our way to a place that I've...

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-Well, I've quite, for a long time, wanted you to see...

-Right.

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..which is this beautiful garden.

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-I think it's my favourite garden in the world.

-Really?

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Because, Andrew, you know I am only interested in gardens

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-that grow things that I can cook.

-I think...

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I think you'll be interested in this garden anyway.

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-Fantastic.

-It's our first stop.

-OK.

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This is the Palazzo d'Este in Tivoli.

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In the 16th century, it became home to a cardinal, who despite his

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high clerical status, had a rather troubled relationship

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with Rome and the Vatican.

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So, Giorgio, we are rubbing the sleep from our eyes,

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it's horribly early in the morning

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but if you want to see the Villa d'Este

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without throngs, throngs of tourists,

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this is the only time to come.

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It's half past seven in the morning,

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they'll actually be arriving fairly soon, believe it or not.

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This is the garden of Cardinal Ippolito d'Este,

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the son of Lucrezia Borgia

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and a very disappointed man.

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-He tried to be elected pope five times.

-Wow.

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This garden contains... Well, not a little surprise

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but quite big one.

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Vieni con me.

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It's starting, Giorgio.

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When the garden was finished he simply said...

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"Let there be water!"

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All of you people in Tivoli, well, you'll just have to suffer drought.

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You know, he took a third of the town's water supply for his garden.

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So that he could thrill and surprise visiting dignitaries.

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So you think I'm not good enough to be pope?

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See what I can do!

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How it turned from that little wiggling thing. Look at that!

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The power it's got in that.

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That is incredible.

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The style of this garden is called mannerism.

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The art of the surprise, the conceit, the extravagant gesture.

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I think water is a great symbol for mannerism

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because in mannerist art, things are always turning into other things.

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Faces are turning into rocks, rocks are turning into faces,

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dragons are turning into lions.

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Water is always changing its shape.

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It's the perfect expression of a culture that's... I think it

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lies at the origin of the modern culture of the spectacle.

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It looked quite dull when we arrived, didn't it?

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But now, look. It's just moving completely.

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The whole thing has just come alive.

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Look, it's wonderful! The water's reached the light.

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So when the water reaches the light it becomes like a sparkler.

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And of course, you know, it's kind of obvious

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but it's a huge symbol of potency.

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Oh, it's such a beauty.

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How many litres of water

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do you think this garden pumps out every day?

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This is still the original 16th century hydraulic system

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-and they're still using it.

-Yeah.

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We wonder at the fact that the Victorian sewage system

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-has survived until now.

-Yeah.

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This is 300 years before that!

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Cardinal d'Este might have been bitter about Rome in his own time,

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but his garden was directly inspired by the ancient Romans'

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legendary prowess with water and hydraulic engineering.

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To me, these gardens must have helped him in taking his mind

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off his failure to become a pope and to show off his power.

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I think maybe, even a sweet revenge.

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Guardi che bello. Don't fall.

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It's very slippery, Giorgio.

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That is fantastic.

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Control of water, I think is...

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I think it's hard for us to understand.

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Now, any of us can turn on a tap.

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But, you know, you go back to the 16th century, it's a lot of water...

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You got a bucket to get the water.

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Yeah, or go to the well and travel with the donkey, you know?

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To have water like that is such a symbol of your power.

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Look at this guy. What is he doing?

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Buongiorno.

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Every day, they start from the top and they clean all the way down,

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because every level must work,

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because you receive enough water to be constant flow all the way through.

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So, if one of the mouth is shut, or two mouth are shut, or there is

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a problem, then it will start to overflow and it loses its effect.

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-How does it feel, Giorgio?

-It's brilliant.

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I feel like I'm working on this big project

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and getting it all working as well.

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No, no, no.

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-Sorry, Giorgio.

-I didn't get a job.

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-Grazie, buono lavoro. Buono giornata.

-Ciao.

-Ciao.

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What I love about the garden is...

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..it's designed like the set of an opera.

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But you stand in it and where you're allowed to stand, you know...

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-This is a position of power. Only a few people would be allowed here.

-Right.

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You know, the lower cardinals down there,

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the members of the court on level three.

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You really feel like you're

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looking down on the rest of the world from up here,

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with Ippolito d'Este. He clearly wanted to look down on everyone else.

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And you say to everybody, "Look at me. Look what I'm able to do.

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"Look what I am... what I'm capable of. "

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Very Lazio.

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-Said from the outside of Rome, but in the direction of Rome, eh?

-Power.

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There's always that black hole of Rome over there.

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-You always know that.

-Struggle for power.

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-Like, standing over Rome, isn't it?

-I think it's like...

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How... What's the Italian expression?

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Ah, thank you.

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Lazio's history may be full of stories about wealth and power,

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like that of Cardinal d'Este,

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but the food of this region is mainly made up of simple dishes.

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Often made with ingredients that people anywhere else may throw away.

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Like the coda alla vaccinara, the oxtail stew.

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This is our first meal in Lazio so I could not, you know,

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ignore what is the great tradition that they have in this region,

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which is the quinto quarto. Quinto quarto,

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-so the fifth fourth.

-The fifth quarter.

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The offal makes up more than a quarter of the carcass

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in terms of weight, with the snout, the tripe,

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the tongue and, in this case, the tail.

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Coda alla vaccinara is possibly one of the most representative

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dishes of this region.

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It is something that comes from hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

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The recipe is really, really simple.

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The only problem with this... I'm sorry to say to you - I know that

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you're a very patient man, but it's going to take three hours.

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-I can wait, I can wait.

-So the tail is being cut down in pieces.

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This meat is really muscly and it's got a lot of tendons

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and hard bits. These we're going to have to melt gently, OK,

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when we cook it, so that's why the cooking time is just so long.

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OK, I'm going to start to blanch the coda for a minute.

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OK, now look, all we're going to do is... I've got a dish there.

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While those ones are coming back to...

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-What's that sink you're working at?

-Look.

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THEY LAUGH

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There's a lot of vegetables to cut.

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What do you want me to do, wash the celery?

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Not wash it, but take away the leaves. Yeah?

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-Get rid of all the leaves.

-All of the leaves?

-Yeah.

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The vegetables here are exceptional.

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Mmm. It's amazing celery, Giorgio.

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-It's smelling good.

-A tiny little bit of white wine.

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The sauce becomes rich and untuosa.

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-Unctuous.

-Unctuous.

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Good word. You didn't put very much, you just put enough to do it's job.

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-I put in...

-Half a glass?

-A glass maybe, yeah.

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Here we go.

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Tomato paste.

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And this is a way I learn how to cook.

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I must admit that with the tomato paste,

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it gets a better flavour kind of thing.

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Just a good old squidge.

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OK, listen, now I'm going to put in the onions,

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the celery and the carrots.

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Cos it's a very traditional thing.

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Not many people cook out of this, outside this region.

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So now we've got to wait for three hours.

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That we can't wait for things, this is incredible, especially with food.

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We have come across this idea that it has to be fast

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because we haven't got the time.

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But now suddenly, no, you have to put it in the microwave

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and tick-tick-tick, ping!

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I'm going to do nothing but I'm just deciding where to do nothing.

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And, actually, you have to do nothing

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but I have to keep on watching what is going on there.

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It's not like I'm doing nothing.

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I just kind of worry a little bit, which is part of the recipe.

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To worry a little bit about it.

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It's an ingredient. "What you doing?"

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I'm worried that it's cooking properly.

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-And every now and then, I go and check it.

-Can I have a sleep?

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No, because then you are asleep, you are not doing nothing.

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ANDREW LAUGHS

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You have to be consciously doing nothing.

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-Consciously.

-Consciously.

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OK.

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I'll give it a go.

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The tradition of quinto quarto goes back to the second century BC,

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when the Romans indulged themselves with extravagant

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dishes like fattened goose liver and figs, crest of swan,

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flamingo tongue and rooster's testicles.

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Offaly good, they thought.

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But by the 19th century,

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offal had been degraded to poor man's food only.

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It's thanks to the vaccinari, the people who work at the meat market,

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that we have this fabulous recipe.

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They were paid in leftovers of the animals, which they

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ingeniously turn into a coda alla vaccinara dish.

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After three hours of a bit of worrying and a bit of waiting,

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it's finally ready.

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-See all the vegetables are almost gone.

-Beautiful.

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Use your hand, use your hand! Pick this, take the bone.

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Just, you know, the bone between your fingers like that and then...

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You should suck the meat. It'll soon come out.

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You suck at it like that.

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It's just hot, man.

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Hello. I'm not giving you any of my food.

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I've been waiting three hours for this

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so you can just sit and wait, mate.

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Wow.

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I like all the jelly bits.

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When you get close to the knuckle, you get those jelly bits.

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All the nerves and the tendons and they are on the tail.

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Can you imagine? The tail has got...

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It's absolutely really fibrous muscle.

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This recipe releases it.

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That's why you have to cook it long time and low temperature.

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It really melts away and that's what'll give you that glutinous bit.

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-It's glutinous, it's unctuous.

-Unctuous, yeah.

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It's sticky and meaty.

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Mmm. That is...

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-That is delicious.

-It's really good.

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-To the quinto quarto.

-Si. To the fifth quarter, grazie.

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Mmm.

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The fountains of Villa d'Este told the story of one man's troubled relationship

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with Rome, but the complications between city

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and region date back as far as Rome itself,

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to the ancient civilisation that was here before,

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that of the Etruscans.

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It's a nice road, this one, don't you think?

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-Not only nice, it's unbelievably beautiful too.

-Yeah.

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Look at that yellow.

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It feels like a really primeval landscape and it's still grown

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with, I think, what the Etruscans first cultivated, which was...

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-spelt, do you call it?

-Spelt, yeah, spelt. Spelt is in English.

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-It's called farro in Italian.

-Farro.

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This part of Italy, in a sense, it's slightly forgotten or it's the

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land of things that have been forgotten.

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There's an aqueduct that looks like it's been

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abandoned for several centuries and we're on our way to

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explore the remains of a largely forgotten people, the Etruscans.

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We're at Tarquinia,

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one of the coastal centres of the ancient Etruscan civilisation,

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about 80km north of Rome.

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The Etruscans had a rich and varied culture

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and were thriving well before Rome became a dominant power.

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Their story begins around the seventh century BC.

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On the surface, if you compare this site to Roman ruins,

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you could be a little bit underwhelmed.

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Who were the Etruscans?

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We don't actually know that much about them,

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their texts do not survive.

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We do know there were a lot of them

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because there are 6,000 of these tombs in the hills.

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It's dark and cool.

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This is spectacular.

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Oh, look.

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How beautiful.

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-You see this guy?

-He's got a catapult.

-That's a sling.

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So he's hunting the birds.

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I love these birds.

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And, Andrew, look at these.

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Look, the guys just pushed the other guys down the...

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I think he's climbing up the rock and he's diving.

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That's beautiful, the diving figure.

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Look, he's got a little smile on his face.

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That, to me, looks almost like Egyptian, isn't it?

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-Yes, all the figures seen in profile.

-Yes.

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Especially that figure on the right.

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I love that figure of the diver.

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-Do you know, the diver?

-Yes, fantastic.

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I found these wall paintings really fascinating and even touching.

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I'm happy we came here.

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But there are some other beautiful frescos that we should really see.

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Spectacular colours.

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Here are the people whose tomb it is.

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The dancer is dancing to the music of the flute.

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Wearing a diaphanous, see through dress.

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Dancing, holding an amphora on her head in the centre of the room.

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These scenes of Bacchic revelries - drinking wine, dancing.

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Just one line, look at it, it's perfect.

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A modern cemetery, there is a lot of gloom.

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-This is more like, so beautiful.

-It's a celebration.

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Dancing and singing that seems to accompany them into death.

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All these birds and fish. Like a dolphin, it looks like.

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You don't find these in Ancient Greek art, the dolphins

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and the birds. That's Etruscan. This shows the influence of Greece.

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They have Cult of Dionysus, which becomes the Cult of Bacchus.

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All these different levels of history.

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I mean, Christ takes on the same...

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You know, the blood of Christ that saves us,

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that comes from the blood of the wine of Bacchus, Dionysus.

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So there's these layers of meaning that continue through

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thousands of years in Italy.

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We've just come down here, we're in the basement of Italian history.

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This is where it all kind of started.

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Curiously, a man defecating,

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-complete with the end product so to speak.

-Yes, the end product midway.

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Maybe he suffered from constipation in real life, so in the

0:21:150:21:18

afterlife he's going to

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defecate copiously through all eternity.

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Let's hope so.

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There's 6,000 of these tombs!

0:21:270:21:29

Hey, Andrew, we're not going to go and see all of them, are we?

0:21:290:21:32

They've only excavated about 150.

0:21:350:21:37

It's going to take them 600 years to dig up the lot at this rate.

0:21:370:21:42

Eventually, in 264 BC, this rather wonderful Etruscan civilisation

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crumbled under the assault of the Roman invaders

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and was absorbed into the culture of their conquerors.

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Before moving on, I think it's time for a little break.

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We are in Ariccia, where they do the best porchetta in Italy

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and I know that Andrew is a big fan.

0:22:110:22:13

-That's Claudio. Ciao, Claudio.

-Ciao, Giorgio.

0:22:150:22:18

The one that he makes is special.

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The thing is, this is so part of their tradition.

0:22:340:22:37

I love the crackling.

0:22:530:22:55

-Salt, pepper, garlic and rosemary.

-Buon appetito.

-Grazie.

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-Grazie, grazie.

-Prego.

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Porchetta is another reminder of the Roman Empire,

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since it dates back more than 2,000 years.

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History even tells us that this was one of Nero's favourite foods.

0:23:200:23:25

I mean, this is delicious, isn't it? Fantastic.

0:23:250:23:30

-I love it when you get the little bits of crackling.

-Yeah.

0:23:300:23:34

-I also love the temperature, is perfect.

-Yeah, that's interesting.

0:23:340:23:39

I think of roast pork as something you eat hot, but it's lovely just like this.

0:23:390:23:43

They cook it and then they let the temperature naturally drop,

0:23:430:23:47

so you have it this kind of lukewarm

0:23:470:23:49

and I think that's the best to get the sweetness.

0:23:490:23:51

-So, if it's too hot, you lose a bit of that.

-So the meat really rests.

0:23:510:23:55

That's right, the tenderness,

0:23:550:23:57

the juiciness - so important, so fantastic.

0:23:570:24:00

It's something that you don't have at home because it's impossible

0:24:010:24:05

to cook, in that way, that piece of pig like that.

0:24:050:24:08

So you have to have it as a takeaway food sort of thing.

0:24:080:24:10

And this is it, this is the Italian fast food.

0:24:100:24:13

-You almost have to cook it, like, in a baker's oven, I mean, it's so big.

-That's what it is.

0:24:130:24:17

Something of such a high quality becomes street food

0:24:170:24:20

and that shows you why the Italians don't have so many McDonald's,

0:24:200:24:24

because you have things like this and it sustains it, you know?

0:24:240:24:27

That is a very good point.

0:24:270:24:29

If you are a pig,

0:24:290:24:32

that's what you want to be, what you want to become really.

0:24:320:24:35

If you're a pig, this is what you want to become?!

0:24:350:24:39

-I suggest we take a straw poll of pigs.

-Hey, boys!

0:24:390:24:43

They're parking next to our car.

0:24:480:24:50

-You see, this is the typical day.

-A little tour outside the door.

0:24:580:25:01

Outside the door of the town.

0:25:010:25:03

That's a hell of a snack. I mean...

0:25:030:25:05

-I'll have another one.

-You'll have another one?

-It's very, very good.

0:25:070:25:12

The Romans might not have been the most tolerant civilisation,

0:25:150:25:20

but they definitely knew how to eat.

0:25:200:25:23

As we have seen, this area wasn't home just to the Romans.

0:25:230:25:27

The Etruscans weren't the only sophisticated civilisation to

0:25:280:25:31

blossom in Lazio under the expanding shadow of Imperial Rome.

0:25:310:25:37

The Prenestini were another people who flourished

0:25:370:25:40

and I'm bringing Giorgio to Palestrina, once their capital city,

0:25:400:25:45

to see a remarkable work of art from around the second century BC.

0:25:450:25:50

So here we are. You get this great elevator ride...

0:25:500:25:54

..up through the ancient ruins of this Roman foundation.

0:25:550:26:01

This is amazing.

0:26:010:26:02

-So, we're going up in space, but we're going back in time.

-Oh.

0:26:020:26:05

Now, they call it Palestrina but that's a medieval name.

0:26:050:26:07

In Roman times, it was called Preneste

0:26:070:26:09

but the people from here, if we go back to the second century BC,

0:26:090:26:12

-they're not actually part of Rome.

-No.

0:26:120:26:14

They're part of an independent city state and they're doing really well.

0:26:140:26:20

Their money is built on slavery,

0:26:200:26:22

they control a large part of the territory that goes all the way

0:26:220:26:26

down to the sea, they're basically seafarers and they're merchants,

0:26:260:26:29

and they create this whole town complex.

0:26:290:26:32

What we're going to go and see is something that gives us

0:26:320:26:35

a little picture of what Preneste was like when it was independent.

0:26:350:26:39

-What is it?

-It's a fantastic, really rare, mosaic.

0:26:390:26:43

For my money, it's one of the greatest mosaics in the world.

0:26:450:26:48

So, here we are.

0:26:530:26:55

GIORGIO LAUGHS

0:26:550:26:56

-It's big, isn't it?

-Enormous!

0:26:560:26:59

Really big.

0:27:000:27:01

Because this is so close to Rome,

0:27:010:27:03

they assumed this must be an ancient Roman mosaic,

0:27:030:27:06

but no, it's not an ancient Roman mosaic.

0:27:060:27:08

This is created for the independent people of Praeneste

0:27:080:27:12

and it's made by Greek artists from Alexandria.

0:27:120:27:17

And that's why, look at the tesserae,

0:27:170:27:19

look how small they are and look how fine the detail is.

0:27:190:27:22

Unbelievable. It looks exactly like a mallard.

0:27:220:27:25

-You see there, the little duck?

-Yeah.

0:27:250:27:28

You can't be that specific with Roman-style mosaic

0:27:280:27:33

because in the Roman mosaic, the pieces are much bigger.

0:27:330:27:37

It's a Nile scene. It's a wonderful subject.

0:27:370:27:40

It's created about 150 years after the Greeks had moved into Egypt.

0:27:400:27:45

It feels like the river is coming down with all its goodness.

0:27:450:27:49

And then the men come through, transform whatever it is.

0:27:490:27:54

I mean, in a way, we're looking at it as if it were a painting

0:27:540:27:56

because that's how they display it in the museum,

0:27:560:27:59

but that's not how it would have been experienced.

0:27:590:28:02

-It would have been on the floor.

-And not only was it on the floor,

0:28:020:28:04

it would have been part of a water feature.

0:28:040:28:06

So, this would've been probably under about that much water.

0:28:060:28:10

I can't emphasise how rare it is.

0:28:100:28:14

The detail are incredible.

0:28:140:28:17

Look at the shadow of the boat.

0:28:170:28:19

Shadow of the boat - I hadn't seen that!

0:28:190:28:21

I really love the way the artist has created an abstract idea

0:28:210:28:27

of a mass of people.

0:28:270:28:29

They are kind of like shadows, with their swords raised up.

0:28:290:28:33

-Can you see that black line going through?

-Yes.

0:28:340:28:37

-It's almost like the water is moving, isn't it?

-Yep.

0:28:370:28:40

That's really vivid there, the way it's eddying around the rock.

0:28:400:28:43

I love this staring eye.

0:28:470:28:50

That is a hippo that has been skewered to death.

0:28:500:28:54

It's like a one-off, like so many of the wonderful things in Lazio.

0:28:550:28:59

It's not what you can necessarily easily put a label on

0:28:590:29:02

or put into a package. It's created for these people

0:29:020:29:06

who are now no longer very well known in Praeneste,

0:29:060:29:10

who are allowed their independence, up to a point, by Rome.

0:29:100:29:14

Nothing in Rome of this period survives that is as fine as this.

0:29:140:29:20

-That's why we've come here.

-OK, I got you!

0:29:200:29:23

So, in that sense, although they lost out to the Romans...

0:29:240:29:27

-They won.

-..they won the art battle.

-The thousand years.

0:29:270:29:32

Well, now they did,

0:29:320:29:33

in that we still have to come here to see the very best of it.

0:29:330:29:37

The relationship between Rome and Lazio has been a pretty continuous

0:29:430:29:48

drama and that tale will continue in our next stop - Viterbo.

0:29:480:29:53

But before that, we need to pick up supplies for this evening's supper.

0:29:550:29:59

'I want to stop at the nearby Lake Bolsena,

0:29:590:30:02

'to find one of the specialities of this area.'

0:30:020:30:05

Look at that!

0:30:180:30:20

This is the fish that I grew up with.

0:30:200:30:22

This is freshwater fish, unbelievable stuff. Can't remember the name!

0:30:220:30:26

This is what I used to fish when I was little - perch!

0:30:410:30:45

OK, grazie.

0:30:450:30:46

Eels aren't the only slippery characters here.

0:30:510:30:54

It's also been home to some very political clerics.

0:30:540:30:59

It's very hilly, the landscape of Lazio.

0:30:590:31:01

It constantly opens up to these beautiful panoramic views.

0:31:010:31:06

A landscape full of lakes.

0:31:060:31:09

-And these hilltop fortress towns.

-Mmm.

0:31:090:31:13

And we are going to visit one of the most beautiful of them -

0:31:140:31:18

Viterbo.

0:31:180:31:20

Viterbo!

0:31:200:31:23

Which is principally famous for what happened there in the Middle Ages,

0:31:230:31:27

when, in this land of exiles, discontents and fantasists,

0:31:270:31:33

it became home to the exiled papacy, the entire papal conclave

0:31:330:31:39

who settled there for about 20 years, 25 years,

0:31:390:31:43

in the 13th century,

0:31:430:31:45

when Rome became too uncomfortable for them.

0:31:450:31:49

-Maybe dangerous, I guess.

-Dangerous.

0:31:490:31:51

I know one thing...

0:31:510:31:53

that the idea of conclave with the keys was born in Viterbo.

0:31:530:31:59

That's what I studied when I was little.

0:31:590:32:01

And they made some extraordinary decisions, or rather

0:32:010:32:04

they failed to make one extraordinary decision!

0:32:040:32:09

Rome wasn't always a safe place for the clerics.

0:32:090:32:12

Back in the 13th century, they had to flee the city several times

0:32:120:32:16

and one of their favourite refuges was the town of Viterbo -

0:32:160:32:20

a town that still looks like a medieval stage set.

0:32:200:32:25

I remember from school the story of how Viterbo hosted

0:32:260:32:30

the longest papal election in history,

0:32:300:32:32

in what became the first conclave.

0:32:320:32:35

We are meeting Professor Luciano Osbat, an expert in papal studies,

0:32:380:32:43

who is going to simplify this extraordinary tale.

0:32:430:32:47

During that period, Viterbo was even called the City of Popes.

0:33:290:33:33

It changed the way popes are elected right up to the present day.

0:33:330:33:37

The 19 cardinals were inside here and they have to elect the pope.

0:33:470:33:52

Took long time, a long time. So, they shut the door first.

0:33:520:33:55

They can't take a decision.

0:33:550:33:57

Two years and a half goes by,

0:33:570:33:59

the people of the city goes nuts about it.

0:33:590:34:03

It's obviously raining in and it's cold and everything.

0:34:100:34:12

This is so Italian, it's unbelievable! It's so Italian.

0:34:210:34:24

Three years to take a decision and at the end of the day,

0:34:240:34:27

it was somebody else who took the decision!

0:34:270:34:30

The idea of the conclave was born here, the fact that you have

0:34:300:34:34

to take somebody, shut him in a room in order to take a decision.

0:34:340:34:37

Because if you leave him to go out

0:34:370:34:39

and consult, you will never get a decision.

0:34:390:34:42

This is so Italian!

0:34:420:34:45

It's like Macchiavelli before Macchiavelli.

0:34:450:34:47

This is definitely like so Macchiavellian!

0:34:470:34:49

So, trying to disentangle all the political interests at work

0:34:550:34:59

would almost be like trying to disentangle the different pieces

0:34:590:35:02

-of spaghetti on a plate.

-With a lot of sauce on it! A lot of sauce on it!

0:35:020:35:08

The discourse always finishes with the table!

0:35:140:35:17

Before ending the day around the table with a suitable papal feast,

0:35:240:35:28

I'd like to see a fresco that I've only ever read about.

0:35:280:35:31

Where the scale is quite this...sort of, cosy.

0:35:310:35:35

I feel like I'm in a... It's like a stage set,

0:35:350:35:37

you expect Romeo and Juliet to be kissing on that balcony...

0:35:370:35:41

or not getting to kiss.

0:35:410:35:43

Wow!

0:35:560:35:57

This is the only known work, bar one,

0:35:580:36:02

by a mysterious painter called Lorenzo di Viterbo.

0:36:020:36:08

It's the first time I've seen it.

0:36:080:36:10

Absolutely beautiful and the colour is very light.

0:36:100:36:14

I love the way he has painted this grey cloak,

0:36:140:36:17

very difficult in fresco, because you are really just painting

0:36:170:36:21

into wet plaster.

0:36:210:36:23

That outline...that is sculptural, that sense of line.

0:36:230:36:27

The scene that's fullest of life, teeming with life

0:36:270:36:31

is this freeze-like depiction of the marriage of the Virgin

0:36:310:36:35

to the aged Joseph. According to legend, all of these suitors

0:36:350:36:40

have come to try to win Mary's hand, much younger than Joseph,

0:36:400:36:45

but she will only marry the one who brings a stick

0:36:450:36:49

that miraculously bursts into leaf.

0:36:490:36:52

All of the suitors with their dry sticks -

0:36:520:36:55

can you see them in the background sort of sticking up in the air?

0:36:550:36:58

And broken sticks on the floor.

0:36:580:37:00

In fact, see this chap here in red, is actually snapping his stick

0:37:000:37:04

across his knee in frustration,

0:37:040:37:06

so there are all the frustrated suitors.

0:37:060:37:08

That guy with the green shirt on the left, look at his face.

0:37:080:37:11

He is incredible. He looks really like he's looking at the Virgin Mary.

0:37:110:37:16

You know, I've missed out!

0:37:160:37:19

So, these were done in 1472.

0:37:190:37:23

It's this moment where you can really see

0:37:230:37:25

what people really looked like. It's high realism.

0:37:250:37:28

The faces of the people are incredible.

0:37:280:37:30

You could meet those faces in the streets now.

0:37:300:37:33

It's said that these are actual portraits of 15th century people

0:37:330:37:38

from Viterbo and I think they have the actuality that you believe them.

0:37:380:37:42

I mean, the chap with the grin,

0:37:420:37:45

you know, he's definitely a real person. You couldn't make him up!

0:37:450:37:49

Andrew doesn't know it, but I've been doing some research too

0:37:560:37:59

and I found a cookbook written by the chef of Pope Martin V.

0:37:590:38:04

I'm taking him to a wonderful medieval kitchen

0:38:040:38:08

in the Corte della Maesta to cook him a meal fit for a pope.

0:38:080:38:12

I make you a starter, a pie

0:38:120:38:17

and a dessert!

0:38:170:38:19

What's in the mystery bag?

0:38:190:38:21

I'm going to cook you something you'll love. Look what I got you!

0:38:210:38:25

Errrrhhhh!

0:38:270:38:29

In the past, it was kind of a real, real speciality.

0:38:290:38:33

-The pope used to eat these.

-And is this in an old recipe?

0:38:330:38:36

This is an old recipe that I got from this book.

0:38:360:38:39

It's that one from papal cuisine.

0:38:390:38:42

A cook of Martino Quinto.

0:38:420:38:45

Martino Quarto - fourth - when he died,

0:38:450:38:49

on his tomb they wrote, "Gaudent Anguillas.

0:38:490:38:54

"Qui mortus hic giacet quasi mortorear exorbitant eas..."

0:38:540:38:59

"Here lay the guy who died because he ate too many eels!"

0:38:590:39:07

-Does it actually say that on his tomb?

-On his tomb. Imagine that.

0:39:070:39:12

They are still extremely alive.

0:39:120:39:15

They have to be and this is one of the quality of this fish.

0:39:150:39:18

You can make it travel quite a long time,

0:39:180:39:20

compared to other fishes, and it's still alive.

0:39:200:39:22

That means that you, we...have got to kill them.

0:39:220:39:26

I kill them!

0:39:260:39:28

They're really slimy! So I'm going to show you

0:39:280:39:30

a little trick with fig leaves.

0:39:300:39:32

-What are they for? For, sort of, descaling the eel?

-That's right.

0:39:320:39:35

-This is to make it easier to handle the eel?

-To handle it, yeah.

0:39:350:39:39

-That's it! The eel is dead.

-What are you doing now?

0:39:420:39:46

We're going to take the skin off. It's not going to be that easy.

0:39:460:39:49

HE GAGS

0:39:530:39:54

-OK, you want to try to do one?

-I'd love to.

-Come on.

-OK. Can I pull it?

0:39:560:40:00

Yes. Vai.

0:40:000:40:02

-OK?

-Now you go. Pull it!

0:40:020:40:05

ANDREW GROANS

0:40:050:40:07

-It's difficult to...keep my grip.

-Come on!

0:40:070:40:11

Bravo! Yeah! GIORGIO LAUGHS

0:40:110:40:14

I've peeled an eel!

0:40:140:40:16

-I show quite a lot of promise, don't I, as a sous chef?

-Yes.

0:40:160:40:19

I think the emphasis is on promise.

0:40:190:40:21

It's time to start.

0:40:270:40:29

There are so many herbs and spices

0:40:320:40:33

that I have to carefully put together.

0:40:330:40:36

Although it's complicated,

0:40:360:40:38

I want to try to stick to the original recipe as much as possible.

0:40:380:40:41

The dishes require such meticulous and time-consuming preparation

0:40:420:40:47

that I'm not surprised that they have been largely forgotten.

0:40:470:40:50

You really need time and an army of people to make it happen.

0:40:500:40:54

A leaf of sage between two slices of eel.

0:40:560:40:59

As strange as it might sound,

0:40:590:41:01

the top of the meat pie has to be covered with sugar.

0:41:010:41:05

And, of course, there is still the dessert to come.

0:41:050:41:09

How long have you been cooking?!

0:41:090:41:11

You've been cooking for a long time.

0:41:110:41:13

I've been reading in the garden, I've fallen asleep twice, erm...

0:41:130:41:17

-Andrew it's a papal dinner, it takes time!

-No, I appreciate it.

0:41:170:41:21

There was no conception of fast food at this time,

0:41:210:41:24

-there was no fast food as such.

-Well, no, absolutely.

0:41:240:41:27

Andrew, here we are...after hours of slaving away for you!

0:41:270:41:32

ANDREW SIGHS

0:41:320:41:34

An eel...fit for a pope.

0:41:340:41:38

This is my first taste of eel.

0:41:410:41:43

It's very delicate.

0:41:450:41:47

Really delicious!

0:41:470:41:48

Such a subtle flesh that it takes the flavour of the sage.

0:41:480:41:52

With a little crispiness, I should add.

0:41:520:41:54

Those recipes sort of almost look like they are made

0:41:540:41:58

for the chef to justify his wages.

0:41:580:42:01

Almost...they invented recipes that required 15 sous chefs,

0:42:010:42:04

so that they can then justify the fact they've got 15 sous chefs.

0:42:040:42:07

Yes. Otherwise, if they had a little kitchen, they were nobody,

0:42:070:42:10

while if they have big kitchen and a big army of people,

0:42:100:42:12

then they were big chefs.

0:42:120:42:14

The thing that puzzles me about this dish is that it's very delicious

0:42:140:42:18

and I could eat lots and lots and lots of it,

0:42:180:42:20

-but I really don't see how you could eat so much of that that you'd die.

-HE LAUGHS

0:42:200:42:25

I mean, Martin IV must have had some kind of eel appetite.

0:42:250:42:29

Mmm! Well, I'm finished.

0:42:290:42:32

I want to eat the pie!

0:42:320:42:34

I choose this because it actually says in here...

0:42:340:42:37

-.."Fit to eat...per l'inglese."

-"Per l'inglese."

0:42:410:42:45

-"English visitors to the papal court shall be served pie."

-Yes.

0:42:450:42:48

The cook was also...kind of, in a way, he was a diplomat.

0:42:480:42:52

The cook to the pope must have been a really powerful man.

0:42:520:42:55

Absolutely! People of a... quite influence.

0:42:550:42:59

So what's unusual about this recipe?

0:43:010:43:04

It's got meat but it's sweet, it's got sugar on top.

0:43:040:43:07

-What's the meat?

-You can use beef, you can use chicken,

0:43:070:43:11

or also you can use birds, because at that time, you know,

0:43:110:43:14

-wild birds would be always kind of...available.

-So what did you use?

0:43:140:43:19

I used chicken and...veal.

0:43:190:43:23

I love the smell.

0:43:230:43:25

-GIORGIO LAUGHS

-It's unusual!

0:43:290:43:32

Unusual for modern taste, but it's really nice.

0:43:320:43:35

It's delicious!

0:43:350:43:37

This is real medieval cooking, you know,

0:43:370:43:39

where the sugar has the same importance as salt.

0:43:390:43:42

And where, you know...

0:43:420:43:45

It's rich food.

0:43:450:43:46

-I mean, it feels like...a rich person's food.

-It really does.

0:43:460:43:51

-Do you want me to get you the dessert?

-Yes!

0:43:530:43:57

You know, people kind of think,

0:43:580:44:01

"Oh, they used to love spice because they get to cover up the bad smell."

0:44:010:44:06

No! They used a lot of spice

0:44:060:44:08

because spice would come from foreign countries.

0:44:080:44:11

And to have a lot of spice in your food means you are extremely rich.

0:44:110:44:15

Sugar starts to be commercialised.

0:44:150:44:18

The clerics were the biggest buyer.

0:44:180:44:20

OK. There we are.

0:44:220:44:25

Kind of pancakes, they've got no flour, no nothing else, just eggs.

0:44:250:44:29

-Mmm!

-Yeah.

0:44:320:44:35

It's very nice. The only thing I would say,

0:44:350:44:37

-is that after the pie...it's a bit similar, the taste.

-That's right.

0:44:370:44:41

-Some of the things coming on again.

-That's right, I think there is that little flavour.

0:44:410:44:44

-But this is completely sweet.

-How many courses?

0:44:440:44:48

The banquet was, you know, 18, 20, 22 courses easy.

0:44:480:44:52

You know, there are one or two medieval paintings

0:44:540:44:57

-of the circles of Dante's Hell.

-Yeah.

0:44:570:44:59

And in the gluttons' section,

0:44:590:45:01

there are always a lot of men of the cloth, ecclesiastic types.

0:45:010:45:06

-They've got these huge bellies and now I understand...why.

-Pie.

0:45:060:45:12

-THEY LAUGH

-Cheers!

0:45:120:45:15

Well, I enjoyed cooking the papal dinner,

0:45:210:45:24

but it's definitely something that I wouldn't put on my restaurant menu.

0:45:240:45:28

That was certainly quite an unusual taste,

0:45:280:45:30

not entirely unlike the next stop on our journey.

0:45:300:45:33

Not far from Viterbo in these beautiful hills

0:45:360:45:39

another man created his own refuge

0:45:390:45:42

from the political machinations of Rome.

0:45:420:45:45

Often called the Park of Monsters,

0:45:450:45:47

Bomarzo dates back to the 16th century like Villa D'Este.

0:45:470:45:51

Its creator was the eccentric, disenchanted,

0:45:510:45:55

mercenary aristocrat Count Vicino Orsini.

0:45:550:45:58

The sculptures here are grotesque and disturbing,

0:45:580:46:01

the outward expression of Vicino's inner despondency

0:46:010:46:05

at a life of disappointment.

0:46:050:46:07

So... GIORGIO SPEAKS ITALIAN

0:46:070:46:12

Fantastic!

0:46:170:46:19

It's attached to a sphinx and what it says is,

0:46:190:46:22

"Enter this garden with your eyes wide open and your mouths closed

0:46:220:46:27

"and then you'll appreciate that in this place

0:46:270:46:29

"you will find another seven wonders of the world."

0:46:290:46:31

-That's right.

-Let's go and find them.

-Let's go and find them.

0:46:310:46:34

Of course, the sphinx introduces you to the garden,

0:46:340:46:36

a sphinx is a symbol of mystery.

0:46:360:46:39

Vicino Orsini was a rather melancholic military man.

0:46:430:46:48

He'd been off to the wars,

0:46:480:46:50

fought with the French against the Holy Roman Emperor,

0:46:500:46:53

picking the wrong side, and ended up in jail for three years.

0:46:530:46:58

By the look of the sculptures,

0:46:580:47:00

he really must have been wounded by life.

0:47:000:47:02

-Look at that!

-ANDREW LAUGHS

0:47:020:47:06

It's really something!

0:47:060:47:08

This garden was completely lost and forgotten,

0:47:080:47:12

overgrown until the 1940s,

0:47:120:47:14

when Salvador Dali, who else, rediscovered it.

0:47:140:47:18

Dali immediately thought, "Oh, this is surrealism before surrealism."

0:47:180:47:22

This figure that seems to be a man is actually a woman,

0:47:220:47:26

being seemingly ripped in half by this giant.

0:47:260:47:30

This was a stone that was here? They didn't bring this here?

0:47:320:47:37

No, it's carved from the stone.

0:47:370:47:39

That was here? There was a massive stone like that

0:47:390:47:41

-and then they are coming - Bam! Bam! Bam! - and just carve it out.

-Yeah.

0:47:410:47:44

-That is exceptional.

-It's really amazing!

0:47:440:47:48

We don't even know the names of the artists.

0:47:480:47:51

-All created between 1552 and 1583 near Rome.

-Hmm.

0:47:510:47:56

So, Michelangelo is still alive,

0:47:560:47:58

he's the founder of this extreme mannerist style.

0:47:580:48:02

Some people even think that Michelangelo may have played a part in designing these things.

0:48:020:48:06

It definitely looks like one of those Michelangelo sculptures.

0:48:060:48:10

Look at the muscles, how they are really well defined.

0:48:100:48:13

I think maybe...maybe this garden

0:48:140:48:17

is meant to be a kind of allegory of his tormented tempestuous life.

0:48:170:48:22

You know, if you go through the garden, you'll see that you come

0:48:220:48:26

from one struggle to another. You move through this sort of dark garden.

0:48:260:48:30

The 16th century was a period of huge turmoil in Europe

0:48:340:48:38

with the Protestant Reformation

0:48:380:48:40

dealing a major blow to the Roman Catholic Church.

0:48:400:48:44

European politics were dominated by religious conflict.

0:48:440:48:48

I can see why, in 1557, Count Orsini retreated here,

0:48:480:48:53

away from the power games of Rome

0:48:530:48:56

and all those wars that he never wanted to fight.

0:48:560:48:59

The elephant! Isn't it fantastic?

0:48:590:49:01

-I think it's a reference to Hannibal and his army.

-Annibale.

0:49:010:49:05

But it's also a reference to Orsini's son -

0:49:050:49:07

the elephant's got a dead soldier in his trunk.

0:49:070:49:10

And I think Orsini's son died in 1573,

0:49:100:49:12

which was when this part of the garden was built.

0:49:120:49:15

So classical references but also personal references.

0:49:150:49:18

That's Pegasus, Andrew. Cavallo Alato.

0:49:220:49:25

Beautiful! I love it with the backlight and the trees coming down.

0:49:250:49:29

The mythology says that when Pegasus touches earth, water spurts out

0:49:300:49:36

and so this is a big fountain.

0:49:360:49:38

It must have been fun when it was all working.

0:49:380:49:41

I kept my favourite of the garden's conceits, the Leaning House, for last.

0:49:490:49:54

For me, it's still got Vicino's feelings of pain and powerlessness,

0:49:540:49:59

but here it's as if he's laughing in the dark.

0:49:590:50:03

-I feel like the building is falling on me.

-Yeah.

0:50:030:50:06

GIORGIO WHIMPERS

0:50:060:50:09

Oh! Oh!

0:50:090:50:11

It feels VERY strange!

0:50:110:50:14

It's almost like your brain doesn't register properly,

0:50:170:50:22

something is wrong with it.

0:50:220:50:24

And it's weird, cos you look out and you see mostly the sky.

0:50:240:50:27

-You don't actually see the garden.

-Si, because you look up.

0:50:270:50:30

-What?! Ahh!

-Are you looking up?

0:50:300:50:33

THEY LAUGH

0:50:330:50:36

-It's really good, isn't it?

-It's amazing!

0:50:360:50:38

Orsino...towards the end of his life,

0:50:380:50:41

he felt that everything was wrong in the world.

0:50:410:50:44

So there are these symbols of everything being wrong.

0:50:440:50:47

Like, in art, you see these images where everybody is upside down

0:50:470:50:52

-to indicate the topsy-turvy nature of existence.

-Hmm.

0:50:520:50:55

And I think this tower...

0:50:550:50:59

This tower was created to design... It's meant to convey Orsino's sense

0:50:590:51:04

that everything in the world is awry, it's not working properly.

0:51:040:51:08

-Either that or he just employed an architect from Pisa!

-From Pisa!

0:51:080:51:13

THEY LAUGH

0:51:130:51:15

The last leg of our trip takes us further away from Rome,

0:51:230:51:27

towards the coast of Lazio's southern border with Campania.

0:51:270:51:31

This was also a place with architectural ambitions,

0:51:320:51:36

but here it's not just a villa.

0:51:360:51:38

400 years after the park of Bomarzo,

0:51:380:51:41

one man built not a villa or a garden, but a city.

0:51:410:51:46

We're in Latina, Benito Mussolini's urban planning dream designed in the '30s.

0:51:470:51:51

Latina is a statement of a new dream of Italy that the Fascists had.

0:51:530:52:00

-Look at this!

-That's Fascio Romano.

-But can you imagine in Berlin

0:52:000:52:04

-leaving a huge metal sculpture of a swastika?!

-This belongs to the Italian from the Roman times,

0:52:040:52:09

then the Fascists used it.

0:52:090:52:11

Look at the square.

0:52:110:52:12

You know, it's like a statement of the new dream of Italy

0:52:120:52:17

that the Fascists had, which is to modernize it.

0:52:170:52:21

-A geometrical plan.

-A geometrical plan, you know, all worked out.

0:52:210:52:24

I sort of get it, but I just don't feel it.

0:52:240:52:27

To me, it feels like a stage-set version of an ideal city,

0:52:270:52:30

not really something that believes in itself.

0:52:300:52:33

I mean, these columns... The whole thing feels very sort of brittle and crumbly,

0:52:330:52:37

insubstantial, almost like the Fascist regime itself.

0:52:370:52:41

-Maybe I'm just looking at it with the hindsight of we know what happened to Fascism.

-Yeah.

0:52:410:52:47

-Buongiorno.

-Ciao.

-Ciao.

0:52:470:52:50

But we've really come here to see something

0:52:550:52:57

that perfectly represents Mussolini's idea of his new Italy.

0:52:570:53:01

-Here we are, here we are.

-Here we are.

-La sala comunale.

0:53:060:53:09

This is Mussolini's Sistine Chapel.

0:53:090:53:11

I've never seen these.

0:53:110:53:13

It's brilliant, isn't it?

0:53:130:53:15

He has a fantastic name the artist, Duilio Cambellotti!

0:53:150:53:20

And this is his masterpiece.

0:53:200:53:23

And look, it's got everything!

0:53:230:53:26

From that side there, I'll read it for you, you don't need to be an art historian to do this.

0:53:260:53:30

Look, that's the working people, old Italy.

0:53:300:53:34

That's the malaria swamps that have been completely cleared,

0:53:340:53:37

all flat and all arable,

0:53:370:53:40

with little houses dotted around

0:53:400:53:42

so that everybody owns their little plot of land,

0:53:420:53:44

because that's what he promised everybody.

0:53:440:53:46

-And there's Mussolini's town.

-That's right.

0:53:460:53:49

-With the streets designed like a cobweb.

-Yes.

0:53:490:53:54

And here you have... Those guys with the helmet, those are the people who worked...not army.

0:53:540:53:58

Well, Cambellotti was a big fan of William Morris.

0:53:580:54:02

It was all about getting back to nature.

0:54:020:54:04

It was about unalienated labour. He hated the idea of people working in factories.

0:54:040:54:08

They should be working with their hands. There's even a hand that's full of soil.

0:54:080:54:12

I love the way the clouds are sort of exploding on the horizon.

0:54:170:54:21

He was a real idealist, Cambellotti, he managed to persuade himself

0:54:210:54:26

that Mussolini was a kind of saviour of Italy

0:54:260:54:29

and that this was really a form of benevolent socialism.

0:54:290:54:33

And he thought that Mussolini was giving power, giving Italy back to the humble poor Italian people.

0:54:330:54:39

This is what's proposed.

0:54:390:54:41

A vision of order and purity.

0:54:410:54:44

This is actually Latina as it was in Mussolini's imagination.

0:54:440:54:47

-That's what all apparatus was made of.

-The propaganda!

-The propaganda was like...

0:54:470:54:52

You know, remember the Nazis and the Fascists were very good at their propaganda.

0:54:520:54:56

Very good at giving this message out.

0:54:560:54:59

-"This is all for you."

-Unifying them.

0:54:590:55:01

Luckily, Mussolini was overthrown in 1945.

0:55:060:55:10

I can't imagine Italy covered in replicas of Latina.

0:55:100:55:14

For me, this isn't one of Lazio's hidden gems,

0:55:140:55:16

definitely not a place you'd swap Rome for.

0:55:160:55:19

Well, we are at the end of our fascinating journey around Lazio,

0:55:190:55:23

but there's just time to stop for one last view of this breathtaking landscape.

0:55:230:55:28

-Do you think that we have missed out not going to Rome?

-No.

0:55:280:55:32

And...if you look over there,

0:55:320:55:34

well, if you squint, you can see St Peter's,

0:55:340:55:38

which reminds me that, in a sense,

0:55:380:55:41

this has been a little bit of a perverse journey.

0:55:410:55:44

They say all roads lead to Rome

0:55:440:55:46

and we have deliberately taken the opposite view where all roads must lead away from Rome,

0:55:460:55:51

because we wanted to explore Lazio -

0:55:510:55:53

the area that lives, as it were,

0:55:530:55:55

and has always lived in the shadow of Rome.

0:55:550:55:58

I suppose if I'm trying to think of the one thing that holds all of the art that we've seen together,

0:55:580:56:02

perhaps it is the fact that it was all created away from Rome.

0:56:020:56:07

Tivoli created by a cardinal who didn't make it in Rome.

0:56:070:56:11

Bomarzo created by a man who'd failed in the great power struggles in Rome.

0:56:110:56:16

Even, in a sense, the Etruscans, their tombs.

0:56:160:56:19

The Etruscans are a people who now live in the shadow of the ancient Romans.

0:56:190:56:22

Many people have never heard of them, they're almost like a civilisation in the shadow of Rome.

0:56:220:56:26

So, I think when you come out to Lazio,

0:56:260:56:28

you discover, so to speak, those who've been left behind, those who failed.

0:56:280:56:33

What is most amazing, especially travelling around with you,

0:56:330:56:36

we saw these statements in art for the rich people

0:56:360:56:40

and, you know, all we got on the food is only the food of the poor.

0:56:400:56:45

The food of the rich has disappeared.

0:56:450:56:47

When we tried to make a recipe of the papal dinner,

0:56:470:56:50

it was so complicated, so time wasting and so many ingredients.

0:56:500:56:55

-Peel an eel!

-Peel an eel. GIORGIO LAUGHS

0:56:550:56:57

You know, so laborious all the work.

0:56:570:57:00

And, obviously, the world hasn't got no more time for that.

0:57:000:57:04

This is the produce, this is the land that talks.

0:57:040:57:06

-Here's the Quinto Quarto.

-Also the porchetta, which is like, so simple.

0:57:060:57:11

-Porchetta is...

-It just comes out the oven and he slices it,

0:57:110:57:13

put it in-between two slices of bread and there you've got the rosemary, pork and - badabing!

0:57:130:57:18

These are the things that are still representative for the region.

0:57:180:57:22

And the art that we've been looking at and the gardens and so on,

0:57:220:57:25

in a sense they're also the underdog.

0:57:250:57:29

They're still made by powerful people,

0:57:290:57:31

but they're made by powerful people on hard times.

0:57:310:57:33

I do think that Lazio is a wonderful place, I really do, and I think it is worth coming here.

0:57:330:57:38

It is worth actually, deliberately, avoiding Rome.

0:57:380:57:41

What was your favourite piece of art if I had to put you on the spot?

0:57:410:57:44

I was really touched, you know, when we went to the catacombs.

0:57:440:57:48

-The Etruscans?

-Yeah, there was a moment there, you know, that was really beautiful.

0:57:480:57:53

It felt really like we were back... in common with them.

0:57:530:57:59

Here's to Lazio.

0:57:590:58:01

-And we're going to finish the whole journey without having gone to Rome.

-GIORGIO LAUGHS

0:58:010:58:06

No, now the best part of our journey comes.

0:58:060:58:09

We're going into Mezzogiorno now, man! Are you ready? THEY LAUGH

0:58:090:58:14

Andiamo.

0:58:140:58:15

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