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'I'm Andrew Graham-Dixon and I'm an art historian.' | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
We're in the basement of Italian history. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
'And I'm Giorgio Locatelli and I'm a chef.' | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
Untuosa, unctuous. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
'We are both passionate about my homeland, Italy.' | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
Come on, everybody! Let's go! | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
The rich flavour and classic dishes of this land are in my culinary DNA. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:23 | |
Pasta will be hanging. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:24 | |
And this country's rich layers of art | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
and history have captivated me since childhood. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
It actually brings out the naked body all the more. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
In this series, we'll be travelling all the way down | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
the west coast of the country from top to toe. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
-Stepping off the tourist track wherever we go. -This is so Italian. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:42 | |
I want to show off some of my country's most surprising food. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
It's hot. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
Often most born out of necessity but leaving a legacy that's still | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
shaping Italian modern cuisine around the world. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
And the art too, is fantastic. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
Exotic, deeply rooted in history. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
This week we're in beautiful Lazio and unlike many visitors, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
we're going to ignore its famous capital city, Rome, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
and focus on the amazing legacy | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
of those who took refuge here from the cauldron of Rome life. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:14 | |
We'll be trying incredibly diverse dishes | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
from the banqueting halls of the glutton popes to the peasant kitchen, | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
where nothing gets wasted. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
For centuries, Lazio has been a land where dramatic stories have unfolded | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
and you can still read them in the region's art and architecture. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
It's a rich and very generous land, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
where for us, not all roads lead to Rome. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
I think a lot of people think of Lazio as being a football team. | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
They don't even realise that it's a... | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
You know, it's an entire province | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
full of wonderful things to see, wonderful things to eat. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
One thing that you must always remember is, like... | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
that here is where the Romans invented | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
the idea of the weekend. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
So here is dotted with absolutely beautiful places where people | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
retire from the cosmopolitan... | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
-Yeah. -..you know... | 0:02:23 | 0:02:24 | |
-triggering malice of the town. -The idea... Yeah. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
So it's lovely to be in Lazio, with this tree cover, the woods. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
In fact, we are on our way to a place that I've... | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
-Well, I've quite, for a long time, wanted you to see... -Right. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
..which is this beautiful garden. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
-I think it's my favourite garden in the world. -Really? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Because, Andrew, you know I am only interested in gardens | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
-that grow things that I can cook. -I think... | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
I think you'll be interested in this garden anyway. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
-Fantastic. -It's our first stop. -OK. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
This is the Palazzo d'Este in Tivoli. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
In the 16th century, it became home to a cardinal, who despite his | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
high clerical status, had a rather troubled relationship | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
with Rome and the Vatican. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
So, Giorgio, we are rubbing the sleep from our eyes, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
it's horribly early in the morning | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
but if you want to see the Villa d'Este | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
without throngs, throngs of tourists, | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
this is the only time to come. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
It's half past seven in the morning, | 0:03:32 | 0:03:34 | |
they'll actually be arriving fairly soon, believe it or not. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
This is the garden of Cardinal Ippolito d'Este, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
the son of Lucrezia Borgia | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
and a very disappointed man. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
-He tried to be elected pope five times. -Wow. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
This garden contains... Well, not a little surprise | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
but quite big one. | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
Vieni con me. | 0:03:58 | 0:03:59 | |
It's starting, Giorgio. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
When the garden was finished he simply said... | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
"Let there be water!" | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
All of you people in Tivoli, well, you'll just have to suffer drought. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
You know, he took a third of the town's water supply for his garden. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
So that he could thrill and surprise visiting dignitaries. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
So you think I'm not good enough to be pope? | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
See what I can do! | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
How it turned from that little wiggling thing. Look at that! | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
The power it's got in that. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
That is incredible. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
The style of this garden is called mannerism. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
The art of the surprise, the conceit, the extravagant gesture. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
I think water is a great symbol for mannerism | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
because in mannerist art, things are always turning into other things. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:59 | |
Faces are turning into rocks, rocks are turning into faces, | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
dragons are turning into lions. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
Water is always changing its shape. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
It's the perfect expression of a culture that's... I think it | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
lies at the origin of the modern culture of the spectacle. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:15 | |
It looked quite dull when we arrived, didn't it? | 0:05:15 | 0:05:17 | |
But now, look. It's just moving completely. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
The whole thing has just come alive. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Look, it's wonderful! The water's reached the light. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
So when the water reaches the light it becomes like a sparkler. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
And of course, you know, it's kind of obvious | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
but it's a huge symbol of potency. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
Oh, it's such a beauty. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
How many litres of water | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
do you think this garden pumps out every day? | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
This is still the original 16th century hydraulic system | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
-and they're still using it. -Yeah. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
We wonder at the fact that the Victorian sewage system | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
-has survived until now. -Yeah. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:07 | |
This is 300 years before that! | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
Cardinal d'Este might have been bitter about Rome in his own time, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
but his garden was directly inspired by the ancient Romans' | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
legendary prowess with water and hydraulic engineering. | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
To me, these gardens must have helped him in taking his mind | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
off his failure to become a pope and to show off his power. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
I think maybe, even a sweet revenge. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
Guardi che bello. Don't fall. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
It's very slippery, Giorgio. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:55 | |
That is fantastic. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
Control of water, I think is... | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
I think it's hard for us to understand. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
Now, any of us can turn on a tap. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
But, you know, you go back to the 16th century, it's a lot of water... | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
You got a bucket to get the water. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:19 | |
Yeah, or go to the well and travel with the donkey, you know? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
To have water like that is such a symbol of your power. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
Look at this guy. What is he doing? | 0:07:27 | 0:07:29 | |
Buongiorno. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
Every day, they start from the top and they clean all the way down, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
because every level must work, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
because you receive enough water to be constant flow all the way through. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
So, if one of the mouth is shut, or two mouth are shut, or there is | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
a problem, then it will start to overflow and it loses its effect. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
-How does it feel, Giorgio? -It's brilliant. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
I feel like I'm working on this big project | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
and getting it all working as well. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
No, no, no. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:37 | |
-Sorry, Giorgio. -I didn't get a job. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
-Grazie, buono lavoro. Buono giornata. -Ciao. -Ciao. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
What I love about the garden is... | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
..it's designed like the set of an opera. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
But you stand in it and where you're allowed to stand, you know... | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
-This is a position of power. Only a few people would be allowed here. -Right. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
You know, the lower cardinals down there, | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
the members of the court on level three. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
You really feel like you're | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
looking down on the rest of the world from up here, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
with Ippolito d'Este. He clearly wanted to look down on everyone else. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
And you say to everybody, "Look at me. Look what I'm able to do. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
"Look what I am... what I'm capable of. " | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Very Lazio. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
-Said from the outside of Rome, but in the direction of Rome, eh? -Power. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
There's always that black hole of Rome over there. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
-You always know that. -Struggle for power. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:43 | |
-Like, standing over Rome, isn't it? -I think it's like... | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
How... What's the Italian expression? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
Ah, thank you. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
Lazio's history may be full of stories about wealth and power, | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
like that of Cardinal d'Este, | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
but the food of this region is mainly made up of simple dishes. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
Often made with ingredients that people anywhere else may throw away. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
Like the coda alla vaccinara, the oxtail stew. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
This is our first meal in Lazio so I could not, you know, | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
ignore what is the great tradition that they have in this region, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
which is the quinto quarto. Quinto quarto, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
-so the fifth fourth. -The fifth quarter. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
The offal makes up more than a quarter of the carcass | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
in terms of weight, with the snout, the tripe, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
the tongue and, in this case, the tail. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
Coda alla vaccinara is possibly one of the most representative | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
dishes of this region. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
It is something that comes from hundreds and hundreds of years ago. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
The recipe is really, really simple. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
The only problem with this... I'm sorry to say to you - I know that | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
you're a very patient man, but it's going to take three hours. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
-I can wait, I can wait. -So the tail is being cut down in pieces. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:07 | |
This meat is really muscly and it's got a lot of tendons | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
and hard bits. These we're going to have to melt gently, OK, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
when we cook it, so that's why the cooking time is just so long. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
OK, I'm going to start to blanch the coda for a minute. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
OK, now look, all we're going to do is... I've got a dish there. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
While those ones are coming back to... | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
-What's that sink you're working at? -Look. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
There's a lot of vegetables to cut. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:38 | |
What do you want me to do, wash the celery? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
Not wash it, but take away the leaves. Yeah? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
-Get rid of all the leaves. -All of the leaves? -Yeah. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:47 | |
The vegetables here are exceptional. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
Mmm. It's amazing celery, Giorgio. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
-It's smelling good. -A tiny little bit of white wine. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
The sauce becomes rich and untuosa. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
-Unctuous. -Unctuous. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
Good word. You didn't put very much, you just put enough to do it's job. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:28 | |
-I put in... -Half a glass? -A glass maybe, yeah. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
Here we go. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
Tomato paste. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
And this is a way I learn how to cook. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
I must admit that with the tomato paste, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
it gets a better flavour kind of thing. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
Just a good old squidge. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
OK, listen, now I'm going to put in the onions, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
the celery and the carrots. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
Cos it's a very traditional thing. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:57 | |
Not many people cook out of this, outside this region. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
So now we've got to wait for three hours. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
That we can't wait for things, this is incredible, especially with food. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
We have come across this idea that it has to be fast | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
because we haven't got the time. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
But now suddenly, no, you have to put it in the microwave | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
and tick-tick-tick, ping! | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
I'm going to do nothing but I'm just deciding where to do nothing. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:28 | |
And, actually, you have to do nothing | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
but I have to keep on watching what is going on there. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
It's not like I'm doing nothing. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
I just kind of worry a little bit, which is part of the recipe. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
To worry a little bit about it. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
It's an ingredient. "What you doing?" | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
I'm worried that it's cooking properly. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
-And every now and then, I go and check it. -Can I have a sleep? | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
No, because then you are asleep, you are not doing nothing. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
ANDREW LAUGHS | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
You have to be consciously doing nothing. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
-Consciously. -Consciously. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
OK. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:04 | |
I'll give it a go. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
The tradition of quinto quarto goes back to the second century BC, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
when the Romans indulged themselves with extravagant | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
dishes like fattened goose liver and figs, crest of swan, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
flamingo tongue and rooster's testicles. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Offaly good, they thought. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
But by the 19th century, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
offal had been degraded to poor man's food only. | 0:14:33 | 0:14:37 | |
It's thanks to the vaccinari, the people who work at the meat market, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
that we have this fabulous recipe. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
They were paid in leftovers of the animals, which they | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
ingeniously turn into a coda alla vaccinara dish. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
After three hours of a bit of worrying and a bit of waiting, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
it's finally ready. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
-See all the vegetables are almost gone. -Beautiful. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
Use your hand, use your hand! Pick this, take the bone. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
Just, you know, the bone between your fingers like that and then... | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
You should suck the meat. It'll soon come out. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
You suck at it like that. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
It's just hot, man. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
Hello. I'm not giving you any of my food. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
I've been waiting three hours for this | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
so you can just sit and wait, mate. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
Wow. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
I like all the jelly bits. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:35 | |
When you get close to the knuckle, you get those jelly bits. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
All the nerves and the tendons and they are on the tail. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Can you imagine? The tail has got... | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
It's absolutely really fibrous muscle. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
This recipe releases it. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
That's why you have to cook it long time and low temperature. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
It really melts away and that's what'll give you that glutinous bit. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
-It's glutinous, it's unctuous. -Unctuous, yeah. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
It's sticky and meaty. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
Mmm. That is... | 0:16:05 | 0:16:06 | |
-That is delicious. -It's really good. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:11 | |
-To the quinto quarto. -Si. To the fifth quarter, grazie. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:17 | |
Mmm. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
The fountains of Villa d'Este told the story of one man's troubled relationship | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
with Rome, but the complications between city | 0:16:28 | 0:16:32 | |
and region date back as far as Rome itself, | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
to the ancient civilisation that was here before, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
that of the Etruscans. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
It's a nice road, this one, don't you think? | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
-Not only nice, it's unbelievably beautiful too. -Yeah. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
Look at that yellow. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
It feels like a really primeval landscape and it's still grown | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
with, I think, what the Etruscans first cultivated, which was... | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
-spelt, do you call it? -Spelt, yeah, spelt. Spelt is in English. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
-It's called farro in Italian. -Farro. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
This part of Italy, in a sense, it's slightly forgotten or it's the | 0:17:10 | 0:17:16 | |
land of things that have been forgotten. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
There's an aqueduct that looks like it's been | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
abandoned for several centuries and we're on our way to | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
explore the remains of a largely forgotten people, the Etruscans. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:31 | |
We're at Tarquinia, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
one of the coastal centres of the ancient Etruscan civilisation, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
about 80km north of Rome. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
The Etruscans had a rich and varied culture | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
and were thriving well before Rome became a dominant power. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
Their story begins around the seventh century BC. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
On the surface, if you compare this site to Roman ruins, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
you could be a little bit underwhelmed. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
Who were the Etruscans? | 0:18:07 | 0:18:09 | |
We don't actually know that much about them, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
their texts do not survive. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
We do know there were a lot of them | 0:18:13 | 0:18:15 | |
because there are 6,000 of these tombs in the hills. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
It's dark and cool. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
This is spectacular. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
Oh, look. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
How beautiful. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
-You see this guy? -He's got a catapult. -That's a sling. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
So he's hunting the birds. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
I love these birds. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
And, Andrew, look at these. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
Look, the guys just pushed the other guys down the... | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
I think he's climbing up the rock and he's diving. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
That's beautiful, the diving figure. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
Look, he's got a little smile on his face. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
That, to me, looks almost like Egyptian, isn't it? | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
-Yes, all the figures seen in profile. -Yes. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
Especially that figure on the right. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
I love that figure of the diver. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
-Do you know, the diver? -Yes, fantastic. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
I found these wall paintings really fascinating and even touching. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
I'm happy we came here. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
But there are some other beautiful frescos that we should really see. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
Spectacular colours. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
Here are the people whose tomb it is. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
The dancer is dancing to the music of the flute. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
Wearing a diaphanous, see through dress. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
Dancing, holding an amphora on her head in the centre of the room. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
These scenes of Bacchic revelries - drinking wine, dancing. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:10 | |
Just one line, look at it, it's perfect. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
A modern cemetery, there is a lot of gloom. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
-This is more like, so beautiful. -It's a celebration. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
Dancing and singing that seems to accompany them into death. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
All these birds and fish. Like a dolphin, it looks like. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:32 | |
You don't find these in Ancient Greek art, the dolphins | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
and the birds. That's Etruscan. This shows the influence of Greece. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
They have Cult of Dionysus, which becomes the Cult of Bacchus. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
All these different levels of history. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
I mean, Christ takes on the same... | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
You know, the blood of Christ that saves us, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
that comes from the blood of the wine of Bacchus, Dionysus. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
So there's these layers of meaning that continue through | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
thousands of years in Italy. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
We've just come down here, we're in the basement of Italian history. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
This is where it all kind of started. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
Curiously, a man defecating, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
-complete with the end product so to speak. -Yes, the end product midway. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
Maybe he suffered from constipation in real life, so in the | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
afterlife he's going to | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
defecate copiously through all eternity. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
Let's hope so. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
There's 6,000 of these tombs! | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
Hey, Andrew, we're not going to go and see all of them, are we? | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
They've only excavated about 150. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
It's going to take them 600 years to dig up the lot at this rate. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
Eventually, in 264 BC, this rather wonderful Etruscan civilisation | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
crumbled under the assault of the Roman invaders | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
and was absorbed into the culture of their conquerors. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
Before moving on, I think it's time for a little break. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
We are in Ariccia, where they do the best porchetta in Italy | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
and I know that Andrew is a big fan. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
-That's Claudio. Ciao, Claudio. -Ciao, Giorgio. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
The one that he makes is special. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:25 | |
The thing is, this is so part of their tradition. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
I love the crackling. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
-Salt, pepper, garlic and rosemary. -Buon appetito. -Grazie. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
-Grazie, grazie. -Prego. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
Porchetta is another reminder of the Roman Empire, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
since it dates back more than 2,000 years. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
History even tells us that this was one of Nero's favourite foods. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
I mean, this is delicious, isn't it? Fantastic. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:30 | |
-I love it when you get the little bits of crackling. -Yeah. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
-I also love the temperature, is perfect. -Yeah, that's interesting. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
I think of roast pork as something you eat hot, but it's lovely just like this. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
They cook it and then they let the temperature naturally drop, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:47 | |
so you have it this kind of lukewarm | 0:23:47 | 0:23:49 | |
and I think that's the best to get the sweetness. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
-So, if it's too hot, you lose a bit of that. -So the meat really rests. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
That's right, the tenderness, | 0:23:55 | 0:23:57 | |
the juiciness - so important, so fantastic. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
It's something that you don't have at home because it's impossible | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
to cook, in that way, that piece of pig like that. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
So you have to have it as a takeaway food sort of thing. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
And this is it, this is the Italian fast food. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
-You almost have to cook it, like, in a baker's oven, I mean, it's so big. -That's what it is. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
Something of such a high quality becomes street food | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
and that shows you why the Italians don't have so many McDonald's, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
because you have things like this and it sustains it, you know? | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
That is a very good point. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:29 | |
If you are a pig, | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
that's what you want to be, what you want to become really. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
If you're a pig, this is what you want to become?! | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
-I suggest we take a straw poll of pigs. -Hey, boys! | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
They're parking next to our car. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
-You see, this is the typical day. -A little tour outside the door. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
Outside the door of the town. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
That's a hell of a snack. I mean... | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
-I'll have another one. -You'll have another one? -It's very, very good. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
The Romans might not have been the most tolerant civilisation, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
but they definitely knew how to eat. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
As we have seen, this area wasn't home just to the Romans. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
The Etruscans weren't the only sophisticated civilisation to | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
blossom in Lazio under the expanding shadow of Imperial Rome. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:37 | |
The Prenestini were another people who flourished | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
and I'm bringing Giorgio to Palestrina, once their capital city, | 0:25:40 | 0:25:45 | |
to see a remarkable work of art from around the second century BC. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
So here we are. You get this great elevator ride... | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
..up through the ancient ruins of this Roman foundation. | 0:25:55 | 0:26:01 | |
This is amazing. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
-So, we're going up in space, but we're going back in time. -Oh. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
Now, they call it Palestrina but that's a medieval name. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
In Roman times, it was called Preneste | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
but the people from here, if we go back to the second century BC, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
-they're not actually part of Rome. -No. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
They're part of an independent city state and they're doing really well. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:20 | |
Their money is built on slavery, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
they control a large part of the territory that goes all the way | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
down to the sea, they're basically seafarers and they're merchants, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
and they create this whole town complex. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
What we're going to go and see is something that gives us | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
a little picture of what Preneste was like when it was independent. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
-What is it? -It's a fantastic, really rare, mosaic. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
For my money, it's one of the greatest mosaics in the world. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
So, here we are. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
GIORGIO LAUGHS | 0:26:55 | 0:26:56 | |
-It's big, isn't it? -Enormous! | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
Really big. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:01 | |
Because this is so close to Rome, | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
they assumed this must be an ancient Roman mosaic, | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
but no, it's not an ancient Roman mosaic. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
This is created for the independent people of Praeneste | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
and it's made by Greek artists from Alexandria. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
And that's why, look at the tesserae, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
look how small they are and look how fine the detail is. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
Unbelievable. It looks exactly like a mallard. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
-You see there, the little duck? -Yeah. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
You can't be that specific with Roman-style mosaic | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
because in the Roman mosaic, the pieces are much bigger. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
It's a Nile scene. It's a wonderful subject. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
It's created about 150 years after the Greeks had moved into Egypt. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
It feels like the river is coming down with all its goodness. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:49 | |
And then the men come through, transform whatever it is. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:54 | |
I mean, in a way, we're looking at it as if it were a painting | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
because that's how they display it in the museum, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:59 | |
but that's not how it would have been experienced. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
-It would have been on the floor. -And not only was it on the floor, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
it would have been part of a water feature. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
So, this would've been probably under about that much water. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
I can't emphasise how rare it is. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
The detail are incredible. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
Look at the shadow of the boat. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
Shadow of the boat - I hadn't seen that! | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
I really love the way the artist has created an abstract idea | 0:28:21 | 0:28:27 | |
of a mass of people. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
They are kind of like shadows, with their swords raised up. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
-Can you see that black line going through? -Yes. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
-It's almost like the water is moving, isn't it? -Yep. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
That's really vivid there, the way it's eddying around the rock. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
I love this staring eye. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
That is a hippo that has been skewered to death. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:54 | |
It's like a one-off, like so many of the wonderful things in Lazio. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
It's not what you can necessarily easily put a label on | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
or put into a package. It's created for these people | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
who are now no longer very well known in Praeneste, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
who are allowed their independence, up to a point, by Rome. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
Nothing in Rome of this period survives that is as fine as this. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:20 | |
-That's why we've come here. -OK, I got you! | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
So, in that sense, although they lost out to the Romans... | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
-They won. -..they won the art battle. -The thousand years. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
Well, now they did, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:33 | |
in that we still have to come here to see the very best of it. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
The relationship between Rome and Lazio has been a pretty continuous | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
drama and that tale will continue in our next stop - Viterbo. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:53 | |
But before that, we need to pick up supplies for this evening's supper. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
'I want to stop at the nearby Lake Bolsena, | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
'to find one of the specialities of this area.' | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
Look at that! | 0:30:18 | 0:30:20 | |
This is the fish that I grew up with. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
This is freshwater fish, unbelievable stuff. Can't remember the name! | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
This is what I used to fish when I was little - perch! | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
OK, grazie. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:46 | |
Eels aren't the only slippery characters here. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
It's also been home to some very political clerics. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
It's very hilly, the landscape of Lazio. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
It constantly opens up to these beautiful panoramic views. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
A landscape full of lakes. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
-And these hilltop fortress towns. -Mmm. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
And we are going to visit one of the most beautiful of them - | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
Viterbo. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
Viterbo! | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
Which is principally famous for what happened there in the Middle Ages, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
when, in this land of exiles, discontents and fantasists, | 0:31:27 | 0:31:33 | |
it became home to the exiled papacy, the entire papal conclave | 0:31:33 | 0:31:39 | |
who settled there for about 20 years, 25 years, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:43 | |
in the 13th century, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:45 | |
when Rome became too uncomfortable for them. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
-Maybe dangerous, I guess. -Dangerous. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
I know one thing... | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
that the idea of conclave with the keys was born in Viterbo. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:59 | |
That's what I studied when I was little. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
And they made some extraordinary decisions, or rather | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
they failed to make one extraordinary decision! | 0:32:04 | 0:32:09 | |
Rome wasn't always a safe place for the clerics. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
Back in the 13th century, they had to flee the city several times | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
and one of their favourite refuges was the town of Viterbo - | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
a town that still looks like a medieval stage set. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:25 | |
I remember from school the story of how Viterbo hosted | 0:32:26 | 0:32:30 | |
the longest papal election in history, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
in what became the first conclave. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
We are meeting Professor Luciano Osbat, an expert in papal studies, | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
who is going to simplify this extraordinary tale. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
During that period, Viterbo was even called the City of Popes. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
It changed the way popes are elected right up to the present day. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
The 19 cardinals were inside here and they have to elect the pope. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:52 | |
Took long time, a long time. So, they shut the door first. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
They can't take a decision. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
Two years and a half goes by, | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
the people of the city goes nuts about it. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
It's obviously raining in and it's cold and everything. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
This is so Italian, it's unbelievable! It's so Italian. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
Three years to take a decision and at the end of the day, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
it was somebody else who took the decision! | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
The idea of the conclave was born here, the fact that you have | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
to take somebody, shut him in a room in order to take a decision. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
Because if you leave him to go out | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
and consult, you will never get a decision. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
This is so Italian! | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
It's like Macchiavelli before Macchiavelli. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
This is definitely like so Macchiavellian! | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
So, trying to disentangle all the political interests at work | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
would almost be like trying to disentangle the different pieces | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
-of spaghetti on a plate. -With a lot of sauce on it! A lot of sauce on it! | 0:35:02 | 0:35:08 | |
The discourse always finishes with the table! | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
Before ending the day around the table with a suitable papal feast, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
I'd like to see a fresco that I've only ever read about. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
Where the scale is quite this...sort of, cosy. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
I feel like I'm in a... It's like a stage set, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
you expect Romeo and Juliet to be kissing on that balcony... | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
or not getting to kiss. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
Wow! | 0:35:56 | 0:35:57 | |
This is the only known work, bar one, | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
by a mysterious painter called Lorenzo di Viterbo. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:08 | |
It's the first time I've seen it. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:10 | |
Absolutely beautiful and the colour is very light. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
I love the way he has painted this grey cloak, | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
very difficult in fresco, because you are really just painting | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
into wet plaster. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
That outline...that is sculptural, that sense of line. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
The scene that's fullest of life, teeming with life | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
is this freeze-like depiction of the marriage of the Virgin | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
to the aged Joseph. According to legend, all of these suitors | 0:36:35 | 0:36:40 | |
have come to try to win Mary's hand, much younger than Joseph, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
but she will only marry the one who brings a stick | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
that miraculously bursts into leaf. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
All of the suitors with their dry sticks - | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
can you see them in the background sort of sticking up in the air? | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
And broken sticks on the floor. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
In fact, see this chap here in red, is actually snapping his stick | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
across his knee in frustration, | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
so there are all the frustrated suitors. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:08 | |
That guy with the green shirt on the left, look at his face. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
He is incredible. He looks really like he's looking at the Virgin Mary. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:16 | |
You know, I've missed out! | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
So, these were done in 1472. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
It's this moment where you can really see | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
what people really looked like. It's high realism. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
The faces of the people are incredible. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
You could meet those faces in the streets now. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
It's said that these are actual portraits of 15th century people | 0:37:33 | 0:37:38 | |
from Viterbo and I think they have the actuality that you believe them. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
I mean, the chap with the grin, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
you know, he's definitely a real person. You couldn't make him up! | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
Andrew doesn't know it, but I've been doing some research too | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
and I found a cookbook written by the chef of Pope Martin V. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
I'm taking him to a wonderful medieval kitchen | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
in the Corte della Maesta to cook him a meal fit for a pope. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
I make you a starter, a pie | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
and a dessert! | 0:38:17 | 0:38:19 | |
What's in the mystery bag? | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
I'm going to cook you something you'll love. Look what I got you! | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
Errrrhhhh! | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
In the past, it was kind of a real, real speciality. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
-The pope used to eat these. -And is this in an old recipe? | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
This is an old recipe that I got from this book. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
It's that one from papal cuisine. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
A cook of Martino Quinto. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
Martino Quarto - fourth - when he died, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
on his tomb they wrote, "Gaudent Anguillas. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:54 | |
"Qui mortus hic giacet quasi mortorear exorbitant eas..." | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
"Here lay the guy who died because he ate too many eels!" | 0:38:59 | 0:39:07 | |
-Does it actually say that on his tomb? -On his tomb. Imagine that. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
They are still extremely alive. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
They have to be and this is one of the quality of this fish. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
You can make it travel quite a long time, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:20 | |
compared to other fishes, and it's still alive. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
That means that you, we...have got to kill them. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
I kill them! | 0:39:26 | 0:39:28 | |
They're really slimy! So I'm going to show you | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
a little trick with fig leaves. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
-What are they for? For, sort of, descaling the eel? -That's right. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
-This is to make it easier to handle the eel? -To handle it, yeah. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
-That's it! The eel is dead. -What are you doing now? | 0:39:42 | 0:39:46 | |
We're going to take the skin off. It's not going to be that easy. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:49 | |
HE GAGS | 0:39:53 | 0:39:54 | |
-OK, you want to try to do one? -I'd love to. -Come on. -OK. Can I pull it? | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
Yes. Vai. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
-OK? -Now you go. Pull it! | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
ANDREW GROANS | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
-It's difficult to...keep my grip. -Come on! | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
Bravo! Yeah! GIORGIO LAUGHS | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
I've peeled an eel! | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
-I show quite a lot of promise, don't I, as a sous chef? -Yes. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
I think the emphasis is on promise. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
It's time to start. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
There are so many herbs and spices | 0:40:32 | 0:40:33 | |
that I have to carefully put together. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
Although it's complicated, | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
I want to try to stick to the original recipe as much as possible. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
The dishes require such meticulous and time-consuming preparation | 0:40:42 | 0:40:47 | |
that I'm not surprised that they have been largely forgotten. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
You really need time and an army of people to make it happen. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
A leaf of sage between two slices of eel. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
As strange as it might sound, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
the top of the meat pie has to be covered with sugar. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
And, of course, there is still the dessert to come. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
How long have you been cooking?! | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
You've been cooking for a long time. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
I've been reading in the garden, I've fallen asleep twice, erm... | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
-Andrew it's a papal dinner, it takes time! -No, I appreciate it. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
There was no conception of fast food at this time, | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
-there was no fast food as such. -Well, no, absolutely. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
Andrew, here we are...after hours of slaving away for you! | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
ANDREW SIGHS | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
An eel...fit for a pope. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
This is my first taste of eel. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
It's very delicate. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
Really delicious! | 0:41:47 | 0:41:48 | |
Such a subtle flesh that it takes the flavour of the sage. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
With a little crispiness, I should add. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:54 | |
Those recipes sort of almost look like they are made | 0:41:54 | 0:41:58 | |
for the chef to justify his wages. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
Almost...they invented recipes that required 15 sous chefs, | 0:42:01 | 0:42:04 | |
so that they can then justify the fact they've got 15 sous chefs. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
Yes. Otherwise, if they had a little kitchen, they were nobody, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
while if they have big kitchen and a big army of people, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
then they were big chefs. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
The thing that puzzles me about this dish is that it's very delicious | 0:42:14 | 0:42:18 | |
and I could eat lots and lots and lots of it, | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
-but I really don't see how you could eat so much of that that you'd die. -HE LAUGHS | 0:42:20 | 0:42:25 | |
I mean, Martin IV must have had some kind of eel appetite. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
Mmm! Well, I'm finished. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
I want to eat the pie! | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
I choose this because it actually says in here... | 0:42:34 | 0:42:37 | |
-.."Fit to eat...per l'inglese." -"Per l'inglese." | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
-"English visitors to the papal court shall be served pie." -Yes. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
The cook was also...kind of, in a way, he was a diplomat. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:52 | |
The cook to the pope must have been a really powerful man. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
Absolutely! People of a... quite influence. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
So what's unusual about this recipe? | 0:43:01 | 0:43:04 | |
It's got meat but it's sweet, it's got sugar on top. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
-What's the meat? -You can use beef, you can use chicken, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:11 | |
or also you can use birds, because at that time, you know, | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
-wild birds would be always kind of...available. -So what did you use? | 0:43:14 | 0:43:19 | |
I used chicken and...veal. | 0:43:19 | 0:43:23 | |
I love the smell. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
-GIORGIO LAUGHS -It's unusual! | 0:43:29 | 0:43:32 | |
Unusual for modern taste, but it's really nice. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
It's delicious! | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
This is real medieval cooking, you know, | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
where the sugar has the same importance as salt. | 0:43:39 | 0:43:42 | |
And where, you know... | 0:43:42 | 0:43:45 | |
It's rich food. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:46 | |
-I mean, it feels like...a rich person's food. -It really does. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:51 | |
-Do you want me to get you the dessert? -Yes! | 0:43:53 | 0:43:57 | |
You know, people kind of think, | 0:43:58 | 0:44:01 | |
"Oh, they used to love spice because they get to cover up the bad smell." | 0:44:01 | 0:44:06 | |
No! They used a lot of spice | 0:44:06 | 0:44:08 | |
because spice would come from foreign countries. | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
And to have a lot of spice in your food means you are extremely rich. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:15 | |
Sugar starts to be commercialised. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:18 | |
The clerics were the biggest buyer. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
OK. There we are. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
Kind of pancakes, they've got no flour, no nothing else, just eggs. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:29 | |
-Mmm! -Yeah. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:35 | |
It's very nice. The only thing I would say, | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
-is that after the pie...it's a bit similar, the taste. -That's right. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:41 | |
-Some of the things coming on again. -That's right, I think there is that little flavour. | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
-But this is completely sweet. -How many courses? | 0:44:44 | 0:44:48 | |
The banquet was, you know, 18, 20, 22 courses easy. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
You know, there are one or two medieval paintings | 0:44:54 | 0:44:57 | |
-of the circles of Dante's Hell. -Yeah. | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
And in the gluttons' section, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
there are always a lot of men of the cloth, ecclesiastic types. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:06 | |
-They've got these huge bellies and now I understand...why. -Pie. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:12 | |
-THEY LAUGH -Cheers! | 0:45:12 | 0:45:15 | |
Well, I enjoyed cooking the papal dinner, | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
but it's definitely something that I wouldn't put on my restaurant menu. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
That was certainly quite an unusual taste, | 0:45:28 | 0:45:30 | |
not entirely unlike the next stop on our journey. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
Not far from Viterbo in these beautiful hills | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
another man created his own refuge | 0:45:39 | 0:45:42 | |
from the political machinations of Rome. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:45 | |
Often called the Park of Monsters, | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
Bomarzo dates back to the 16th century like Villa D'Este. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
Its creator was the eccentric, disenchanted, | 0:45:51 | 0:45:55 | |
mercenary aristocrat Count Vicino Orsini. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
The sculptures here are grotesque and disturbing, | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
the outward expression of Vicino's inner despondency | 0:46:01 | 0:46:05 | |
at a life of disappointment. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
So... GIORGIO SPEAKS ITALIAN | 0:46:07 | 0:46:12 | |
Fantastic! | 0:46:17 | 0:46:19 | |
It's attached to a sphinx and what it says is, | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
"Enter this garden with your eyes wide open and your mouths closed | 0:46:22 | 0:46:27 | |
"and then you'll appreciate that in this place | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
"you will find another seven wonders of the world." | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
-That's right. -Let's go and find them. -Let's go and find them. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
Of course, the sphinx introduces you to the garden, | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
a sphinx is a symbol of mystery. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
Vicino Orsini was a rather melancholic military man. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:48 | |
He'd been off to the wars, | 0:46:48 | 0:46:50 | |
fought with the French against the Holy Roman Emperor, | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
picking the wrong side, and ended up in jail for three years. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:58 | |
By the look of the sculptures, | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
he really must have been wounded by life. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
-Look at that! -ANDREW LAUGHS | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
It's really something! | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
This garden was completely lost and forgotten, | 0:47:08 | 0:47:12 | |
overgrown until the 1940s, | 0:47:12 | 0:47:14 | |
when Salvador Dali, who else, rediscovered it. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:18 | |
Dali immediately thought, "Oh, this is surrealism before surrealism." | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
This figure that seems to be a man is actually a woman, | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
being seemingly ripped in half by this giant. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
This was a stone that was here? They didn't bring this here? | 0:47:32 | 0:47:37 | |
No, it's carved from the stone. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:39 | |
That was here? There was a massive stone like that | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
-and then they are coming - Bam! Bam! Bam! - and just carve it out. -Yeah. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
-That is exceptional. -It's really amazing! | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
We don't even know the names of the artists. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
-All created between 1552 and 1583 near Rome. -Hmm. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:56 | |
So, Michelangelo is still alive, | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
he's the founder of this extreme mannerist style. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
Some people even think that Michelangelo may have played a part in designing these things. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:06 | |
It definitely looks like one of those Michelangelo sculptures. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
Look at the muscles, how they are really well defined. | 0:48:10 | 0:48:13 | |
I think maybe...maybe this garden | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
is meant to be a kind of allegory of his tormented tempestuous life. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:22 | |
You know, if you go through the garden, you'll see that you come | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
from one struggle to another. You move through this sort of dark garden. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
The 16th century was a period of huge turmoil in Europe | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
with the Protestant Reformation | 0:48:38 | 0:48:40 | |
dealing a major blow to the Roman Catholic Church. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:44 | |
European politics were dominated by religious conflict. | 0:48:44 | 0:48:48 | |
I can see why, in 1557, Count Orsini retreated here, | 0:48:48 | 0:48:53 | |
away from the power games of Rome | 0:48:53 | 0:48:56 | |
and all those wars that he never wanted to fight. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
The elephant! Isn't it fantastic? | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
-I think it's a reference to Hannibal and his army. -Annibale. | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
But it's also a reference to Orsini's son - | 0:49:05 | 0:49:07 | |
the elephant's got a dead soldier in his trunk. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
And I think Orsini's son died in 1573, | 0:49:10 | 0:49:12 | |
which was when this part of the garden was built. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
So classical references but also personal references. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:18 | |
That's Pegasus, Andrew. Cavallo Alato. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
Beautiful! I love it with the backlight and the trees coming down. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:29 | |
The mythology says that when Pegasus touches earth, water spurts out | 0:49:30 | 0:49:36 | |
and so this is a big fountain. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:38 | |
It must have been fun when it was all working. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
I kept my favourite of the garden's conceits, the Leaning House, for last. | 0:49:49 | 0:49:54 | |
For me, it's still got Vicino's feelings of pain and powerlessness, | 0:49:54 | 0:49:59 | |
but here it's as if he's laughing in the dark. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:03 | |
-I feel like the building is falling on me. -Yeah. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:06 | |
GIORGIO WHIMPERS | 0:50:06 | 0:50:09 | |
Oh! Oh! | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
It feels VERY strange! | 0:50:11 | 0:50:14 | |
It's almost like your brain doesn't register properly, | 0:50:17 | 0:50:22 | |
something is wrong with it. | 0:50:22 | 0:50:24 | |
And it's weird, cos you look out and you see mostly the sky. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
-You don't actually see the garden. -Si, because you look up. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:30 | |
-What?! Ahh! -Are you looking up? | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
-It's really good, isn't it? -It's amazing! | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
Orsino...towards the end of his life, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:41 | |
he felt that everything was wrong in the world. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:44 | |
So there are these symbols of everything being wrong. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
Like, in art, you see these images where everybody is upside down | 0:50:47 | 0:50:52 | |
-to indicate the topsy-turvy nature of existence. -Hmm. | 0:50:52 | 0:50:55 | |
And I think this tower... | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
This tower was created to design... It's meant to convey Orsino's sense | 0:50:59 | 0:51:04 | |
that everything in the world is awry, it's not working properly. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:08 | |
-Either that or he just employed an architect from Pisa! -From Pisa! | 0:51:08 | 0:51:13 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
The last leg of our trip takes us further away from Rome, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
towards the coast of Lazio's southern border with Campania. | 0:51:27 | 0:51:31 | |
This was also a place with architectural ambitions, | 0:51:32 | 0:51:36 | |
but here it's not just a villa. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:38 | |
400 years after the park of Bomarzo, | 0:51:38 | 0:51:41 | |
one man built not a villa or a garden, but a city. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:46 | |
We're in Latina, Benito Mussolini's urban planning dream designed in the '30s. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
Latina is a statement of a new dream of Italy that the Fascists had. | 0:51:53 | 0:52:00 | |
-Look at this! -That's Fascio Romano. -But can you imagine in Berlin | 0:52:00 | 0:52:04 | |
-leaving a huge metal sculpture of a swastika?! -This belongs to the Italian from the Roman times, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:09 | |
then the Fascists used it. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
Look at the square. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:12 | |
You know, it's like a statement of the new dream of Italy | 0:52:12 | 0:52:17 | |
that the Fascists had, which is to modernize it. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:21 | |
-A geometrical plan. -A geometrical plan, you know, all worked out. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
I sort of get it, but I just don't feel it. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:27 | |
To me, it feels like a stage-set version of an ideal city, | 0:52:27 | 0:52:30 | |
not really something that believes in itself. | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
I mean, these columns... The whole thing feels very sort of brittle and crumbly, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
insubstantial, almost like the Fascist regime itself. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
-Maybe I'm just looking at it with the hindsight of we know what happened to Fascism. -Yeah. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:47 | |
-Buongiorno. -Ciao. -Ciao. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
But we've really come here to see something | 0:52:55 | 0:52:57 | |
that perfectly represents Mussolini's idea of his new Italy. | 0:52:57 | 0:53:01 | |
-Here we are, here we are. -Here we are. -La sala comunale. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
This is Mussolini's Sistine Chapel. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
I've never seen these. | 0:53:11 | 0:53:13 | |
It's brilliant, isn't it? | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
He has a fantastic name the artist, Duilio Cambellotti! | 0:53:15 | 0:53:20 | |
And this is his masterpiece. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:23 | |
And look, it's got everything! | 0:53:23 | 0:53:26 | |
From that side there, I'll read it for you, you don't need to be an art historian to do this. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
Look, that's the working people, old Italy. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
That's the malaria swamps that have been completely cleared, | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
all flat and all arable, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
with little houses dotted around | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
so that everybody owns their little plot of land, | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
because that's what he promised everybody. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
-And there's Mussolini's town. -That's right. | 0:53:46 | 0:53:49 | |
-With the streets designed like a cobweb. -Yes. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:54 | |
And here you have... Those guys with the helmet, those are the people who worked...not army. | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
Well, Cambellotti was a big fan of William Morris. | 0:53:58 | 0:54:02 | |
It was all about getting back to nature. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:04 | |
It was about unalienated labour. He hated the idea of people working in factories. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:08 | |
They should be working with their hands. There's even a hand that's full of soil. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
I love the way the clouds are sort of exploding on the horizon. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:21 | |
He was a real idealist, Cambellotti, he managed to persuade himself | 0:54:21 | 0:54:26 | |
that Mussolini was a kind of saviour of Italy | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
and that this was really a form of benevolent socialism. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
And he thought that Mussolini was giving power, giving Italy back to the humble poor Italian people. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:39 | |
This is what's proposed. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
A vision of order and purity. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
This is actually Latina as it was in Mussolini's imagination. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:47 | |
-That's what all apparatus was made of. -The propaganda! -The propaganda was like... | 0:54:47 | 0:54:52 | |
You know, remember the Nazis and the Fascists were very good at their propaganda. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:56 | |
Very good at giving this message out. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
-"This is all for you." -Unifying them. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:01 | |
Luckily, Mussolini was overthrown in 1945. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
I can't imagine Italy covered in replicas of Latina. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
For me, this isn't one of Lazio's hidden gems, | 0:55:14 | 0:55:16 | |
definitely not a place you'd swap Rome for. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
Well, we are at the end of our fascinating journey around Lazio, | 0:55:19 | 0:55:23 | |
but there's just time to stop for one last view of this breathtaking landscape. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:28 | |
-Do you think that we have missed out not going to Rome? -No. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:32 | |
And...if you look over there, | 0:55:32 | 0:55:34 | |
well, if you squint, you can see St Peter's, | 0:55:34 | 0:55:38 | |
which reminds me that, in a sense, | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
this has been a little bit of a perverse journey. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
They say all roads lead to Rome | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
and we have deliberately taken the opposite view where all roads must lead away from Rome, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:51 | |
because we wanted to explore Lazio - | 0:55:51 | 0:55:53 | |
the area that lives, as it were, | 0:55:53 | 0:55:55 | |
and has always lived in the shadow of Rome. | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
I suppose if I'm trying to think of the one thing that holds all of the art that we've seen together, | 0:55:58 | 0:56:02 | |
perhaps it is the fact that it was all created away from Rome. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:07 | |
Tivoli created by a cardinal who didn't make it in Rome. | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
Bomarzo created by a man who'd failed in the great power struggles in Rome. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:16 | |
Even, in a sense, the Etruscans, their tombs. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
The Etruscans are a people who now live in the shadow of the ancient Romans. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:22 | |
Many people have never heard of them, they're almost like a civilisation in the shadow of Rome. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:26 | |
So, I think when you come out to Lazio, | 0:56:26 | 0:56:28 | |
you discover, so to speak, those who've been left behind, those who failed. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:33 | |
What is most amazing, especially travelling around with you, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:36 | |
we saw these statements in art for the rich people | 0:56:36 | 0:56:40 | |
and, you know, all we got on the food is only the food of the poor. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
The food of the rich has disappeared. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:47 | |
When we tried to make a recipe of the papal dinner, | 0:56:47 | 0:56:50 | |
it was so complicated, so time wasting and so many ingredients. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:55 | |
-Peel an eel! -Peel an eel. GIORGIO LAUGHS | 0:56:55 | 0:56:57 | |
You know, so laborious all the work. | 0:56:57 | 0:57:00 | |
And, obviously, the world hasn't got no more time for that. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:04 | |
This is the produce, this is the land that talks. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
-Here's the Quinto Quarto. -Also the porchetta, which is like, so simple. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:11 | |
-Porchetta is... -It just comes out the oven and he slices it, | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
put it in-between two slices of bread and there you've got the rosemary, pork and - badabing! | 0:57:13 | 0:57:18 | |
These are the things that are still representative for the region. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:22 | |
And the art that we've been looking at and the gardens and so on, | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
in a sense they're also the underdog. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
They're still made by powerful people, | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
but they're made by powerful people on hard times. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
I do think that Lazio is a wonderful place, I really do, and I think it is worth coming here. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:38 | |
It is worth actually, deliberately, avoiding Rome. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
What was your favourite piece of art if I had to put you on the spot? | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
I was really touched, you know, when we went to the catacombs. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
-The Etruscans? -Yeah, there was a moment there, you know, that was really beautiful. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:53 | |
It felt really like we were back... in common with them. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:59 | |
Here's to Lazio. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:01 | |
-And we're going to finish the whole journey without having gone to Rome. -GIORGIO LAUGHS | 0:58:01 | 0:58:06 | |
No, now the best part of our journey comes. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:09 | |
We're going into Mezzogiorno now, man! Are you ready? THEY LAUGH | 0:58:09 | 0:58:14 | |
Andiamo. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:15 |