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Every year, the NHS spends around £500 million on hospital food | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
but it's reckoned that almost half the patients refuse to eat it | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
because they find it inedible. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
-Mashed potato, what's wrong with the mash? -You could hang wallpaper up with it. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:17 | |
I believe that everybody deserves to eat good food. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
To me, there's nowhere where food is more important than in a hospital. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:25 | |
It's estimated that the previous government spent more than £50 million on failed initiatives | 0:00:25 | 0:00:31 | |
to change the food on our wards. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:33 | |
Scarborough General Hospital is up for change. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:36 | |
For the next three months, I'm working alongside the kitchen staff | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
to try and make a difference. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
Pat, I'm trying to help you. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
-I know you are. -Everything's out of a tin, everything's out of packet, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
everything. Everything. All the veg are frozen. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
But there's also a personal reason why I want to take this on. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
I watched my grandmother pass away in hospital | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
and, and she was a, a huge influence on me in terms of food and, | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
and teaching me about food. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
To watch her suffer and to watch her eat the stuff that was served in the hospital, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:08 | |
it wasn't fantastic. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:09 | |
The only way to change it is to actually physically | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
get off your backside and do something about it. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
I've been given exclusive access to Scarborough General Hospital | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
which provides healthcare for the North East of Yorkshire. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
More than 40,000 people are admitted each year and they all need to be fed. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:37 | |
I've never really sort of seen behind the scenes in | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
a working hospital. I'm assuming it's like a, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
like a hotel kitchen...ish. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
The kitchens at Scarborough are run by catering manager, Pat Bell. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
I've worked here in Scarborough Hospital for nearly 21 years. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
Previous to that I was deputy catering manager | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
in Southampton General Hospital. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
Good morning, it's Pat here from Scarborough Hospital. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
We have to cater for the whole spectrum. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Not everybody's going to like everything so the choices that | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
we put on the menu we hope will appeal to a wide range of people. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
'Pat is supported by a loyal and dedicated team, many of them have | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
'also been there for over 20 years and include head chef, Sharon Ellis, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:28 | |
'Alan "Big Al" Rosbottom | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
'and budding young chef Darren Glover, known as "Big Bird" | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
'to his colleagues.' | 0:02:35 | 0:02:37 | |
James Martin, I mean he's familiar to most caterers. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
He's got a lot in common with the staff here that work at Scarborough Hospital. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
He went to Yorkshire Coast College | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
where a lot of them have trained as well. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
We have such a rich environment round in Scarborough, you know, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
great fish, great producers. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
I know the people in the area. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
I know particularly how good the local food is. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
I think we're very proud that a local person has done so well | 0:03:03 | 0:03:07 | |
and wants to come and work with us. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
I've catered for thousands of people a day but this is | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
definitely the hardest challenge that I've ever done. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
So I'm feeling nervous, apprehensive... | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
Why did I ever say yes to this? | 0:03:22 | 0:03:24 | |
'Before I go into the kitchens I want to hear from the people | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
'that matter the most - the patients. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
'It's their opinion that really counts, so I head straight | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
'to the Maple ward to talk to some of the long-term patients.' | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
What, what do you think of the, of the food you've had cos you, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
-You've been here six months, you must have tasted everything. -Yeah, I have, yeah, it's not good. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
-I appreciate that it's difficult cooking for all these people. -Hmm. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
-I would just like it to be better and taste better. -Yeah. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
I mean yesterday we had roast pork and apple sauce, carrots and cabbage, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
but the cabbage, the carrots were cooked within an inch of their life. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:09 | |
-Yeah, right. -And the mash potatoes I don't really know what had happened to them. -Right. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
-You know. -The only criticism I could make is the size of it, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
they feel a bit like kids meals to me. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
As a package it's pretty poor | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
vegetables wet and soggy. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
Mashed potato, you could walk across it | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
and custard the same, you know, it's lumpy and well, you could walk across that as well. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:36 | |
'Independent surveys as far back as 1963 | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
'consistently conclude that the NHS hospital food is | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
'neither appetising nor nutritious, which is hardly surprising when you | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
'discover that as little as £1 a meal is being spent.' | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
I've been given the opportunity to make a difference here at Scarborough. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
My first task is to win the hearts and minds of the hospital staff. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:09 | |
Feel like a bit like a new boy starting school, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
you know, for the first time. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
Apprehensive, nervous. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
I do feel like I've just started a new job. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
But, well... | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
I suppose we, we give it a go, don't we? | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
-Is Pat around, or, you're Pat, are you? -Hiya James, nice to meet you. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
Welcome to Scarborough Hospital, nice to see you. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
-Let me introduce you to Sharon my head chef. -Hi, pleased to meet you. -Hello Sharon, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
-are you all right? -Fine thank you. -And how many meals come out of here a day? | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
-Over a thousand. -A thousand meals a day. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
-And who decides the menu, you? -Yes. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
And how much have we got to spend? | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
We have a patient meal allowance of £3.49 per patient per day. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
-And that includes... -It's a lot then, innit? | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
-Yeah, all three meals. -Three meals. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
Three, three main meals, all their beverages and biscuits that we give them throughout the day. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:14 | |
-How many full time chefs have we got, in here? -12. -12? | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
13 with me, yeah. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
Right, OK. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:22 | |
'I'm beginning to understand the challenges they're facing. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
'They're producing a huge volume of meals here, with just over | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
'£1 per patient, per meal and they have to do all this | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
'in a kitchen that's not exactly state of the art.' | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
And all this kit works then, does it? | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
-Yeah, yeah. -Are you sure? | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
-Yes, it all works. -Right, when, when was this machine made. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
Where's the... where's the coal go into it?! Bloody hell, look at that thing. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:51 | |
Right, you don't use, do you still use this? | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
Yes, yeah. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
Like many other NHS hospitals, Scarborough rotates | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
its menus on a three-week basis. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
This means that every day for 21 days the patients are offered | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
a new menu to choose off for both lunch and dinner. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
This results in the kitchen staff cooking over 100 different dishes per menu cycle. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:18 | |
That's today's patients' menu. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
-This is it, yeah? -That's today's lunch menu. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
Shepherd's pie, | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
-so D is diabetic, R is reducing, what's that for, reducing what? -Weight. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
Give them a side salad, love. That's what. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
F, but F, you've got low fat as well. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
Yeah. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
OK. Already I can see some conflict brewing with Pat. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:45 | |
-Margarine. -Yeah. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:46 | |
-Polyunsaturated. -But that's bad for you. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
No. Polyunsaturated margarine which is better for you than butter, James. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
-Can't be. -Which we know that you like your butter. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
And it's better than butter. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
Please tell me we'll have butter instead of margarine, because if not I'm going to | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
-take you where it's made and prove to you that margarine's bad for you. -All right, then. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
-Have I got my work cut out, then? -You sure have. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
He's taken the mick out of my equipment in the kitchen already | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
and he'd only been here ten minutes | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
and he wants to put butter on the menu, | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
so I think we're going to have a bit of a fight on our hands. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
It may be only day one, but it's already occurred to me that the kitchen is cooking | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
a staggering number of different dishes. I need to find a way to simplify things. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:39 | |
But before I can change anything, I want to understand the whole process. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
The kitchen staff have been in since 6am preparing and cooking today's lunch. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:52 | |
-It's now 10:30. -Yeah. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:55 | |
When does this get eaten? | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
It leaves the kitchen at 11:15 and it gets to the wards anytime round | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
about 12 o'clock and after that, you know, the different wards get it different times, obviously. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
I'm amazed that you, you make food and it's made at 10.30, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:12 | |
and then it gets boosted to temperature again, | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
no wonder it's rotten when it gets to the... It's... | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
It's difficult explaining to somebody that's just walked in how we actually work, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
and it sounds like we don't know what we're doing, but obviously we do. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
But you know, until he gets up on the ward and sees the meal being | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
presented to the patient, then he might get some idea of how it works. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:37 | |
I'm still getting my head around how this kitchen functions, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
so I think the best thing to do is follow today's lunch as it heads up to the wards. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
This is the moment that the whole morning has been building up to. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
There are around 300 patients all waiting for their lunch. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
First the catering staff portion the food before placing it into a hot cabinet. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
The food is then held in here until it's time to be transferred | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
into insulated boxes that go up to the wards, one box per ward. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
-They'll put the food into the trolley. -Yeah. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
They've put it on a cycle for 15 minutes so it's at 120 degrees. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:23 | |
'Once the food has been superheated to the right temperature, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
'it's then put on to a trolley and plated up for the patients. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
'Every year, the NHS spends around £500 million on food. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:39 | |
'Lunchtime should be one of the highlights of a patient's day, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
'but from what I've seen, this food may be fine when it's freshly cooked | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
'in the kitchen, but by the time it gets to the ward a few hours later, it's pretty unappetising.' | 0:10:46 | 0:10:52 | |
-And once you've done this? -Yeah. -What happens to all this? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
They're thrown away. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
Any left gets disposed of, can't be reused cos it's been out on the ward. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
-So anything that's not eaten. -So gone, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
-thrown away. -No, yes, once it goes off the ward, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
it'll go down a waste disposal unit, anything that's left over. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
I was shocked to find, you know, and you saw, you know, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
40% of what we served today for lunch, just goes in the bin. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
-Yeah. -And this happens at every hospital, every ward, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
every hospital around Britain. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:25 | |
It depends on the type of ward that you've got. I mean, | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
we're in acute hospitals, you have more people coming in and out, | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
there's more people going into theatre... | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
-Yeah, it's difficult to cater obviously for numbers. -So, cos, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:36 | |
a consultant come on the ward this morning and make five patients nil by mouth, | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
-while we're portioning up the food downstairs. -And that's it. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
-So you, you've got to have a certain cut-off time. -Absolutely. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
-Where can you say, well we can't. -But it's still, it's still 35% of it. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
There was a lot there, there was a lot there actually. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:55 | |
The patients order a day in advance and although I understand the need for a cut-off time for the food to | 0:11:55 | 0:12:01 | |
leave the kitchen, I'm horrified at the amount of taxpayers' money that's literally going into the bin. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:07 | |
For me to be able to improve the food at Scarborough General Hospital | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
I need to discover what ingredients have been used, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
and where they're being sourced from. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
The hospital is surrounded by some of the finest and most fertile farming land in the UK, | 0:12:22 | 0:12:27 | |
and the fresh produce from here is fantastic. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
But like most NHS Trusts, | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
those with the purchasing power aren't looking | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
on their own doorstep. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
Pat's order books have all the evidence I need. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:40 | |
270 pints of semi-skimmed in every day. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
60 pints of full cream in every day and the probably round about. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
I mean, it's a big five star hotel. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
70 dozen yoghurts a week. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
Yeah, budget for, for, just for the dairy. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
-Yeah. -OK. Where does this come from? | 0:12:57 | 0:12:59 | |
This comes from Normanton. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
Normanton is over 70 miles from the hospital. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
Surely there's somewhere closer in a rich farming area like this, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
but the dairy product supplier isn't the only surprise. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
And the fish, where does that come from, cos we're right by the coast? Where's that? | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
Some of it comes from Somerset. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Some of it comes from Bradford. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
Well-known place near the coast, Bradford. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
I can't accept that it's not cheaper to source products locally, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
'so what are they actually buying?' | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
Lot of soup here. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Well, we have to use 14 flavours of soup a week cos we | 0:13:38 | 0:13:43 | |
have one on at a lunchtime and one on at supper time every single day. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
We've got a basic tin provisions, so tinned tomatoes, chopped tomatoes, plum tomatoes, beans, tin of tuna, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:54 | |
-spaghetti hoops we use for the creche in the children's ward. -OK. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
And then we've got a canned fruits, this side, so. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
Is it, is it the reason why we have tinned fruit is, | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
is it for any reason or, or not? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Well, we have to have fruit on the menu every day but we use tinned fruit, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
we only use tinned fruit in natural juice, we don't use it in syrup. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:17 | |
-Yeah. -Cos then it caters for the patients who are on special diets. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
So whips that we have, cold sweets, | 0:14:19 | 0:14:23 | |
so they'll supplement our menus | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
and they're suitable for diets as well. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
So are the dieticians happy with this? | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
-Yes. -Really?! | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
Yes. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
If they weren't it wouldn't be on the menu. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:36 | |
Now, I reckon your buying power is probably ten times more than any chef I know. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:43 | |
-Right. -How much are you spending a year, if you don't mind me asking, on food, | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
-a year? -Nearly half a million. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
-Half a million quid? -Half a million, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
roughly, on provisions. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:53 | |
That's a lot of money you get to spend, isn't it? | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
'I don't think Pat realises just how strong her purchasing power is, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:03 | |
'and what a difference to the local economy she could make by buying locally.' | 0:15:03 | 0:15:09 | |
Right and out here, James, I've got my outside freezer. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
Looks like an air raid shelter, look at it. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
Well, it works anyway, it's freezing in here. OK. What's up here? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
We've got omelettes up here. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:25 | |
-Omelettes? -Omelettes. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:26 | |
-In a freezer? -In a freezer. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
-I've never seen... -You've never seen a frozen omelette, James? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
No. And how much are these? | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
I think they're about 25 pence each. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:39 | |
-25p? -Yeah. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Most of the veg that goes on to the menu as a vegetable, stand-alone vegetable...is frozen. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:49 | |
Right, well I'm off, I know I'm a Yorkshireman but it's too cold in here. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
-You're a wimp, James. -Freezing. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Everything's out of a tin, everything's out of packet, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
everything. All the veg are frozen, | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
all the soups ready-made, all out of a packet and apparently they put two packets in to make it taste better. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:06 | |
I'm starting to formulate my plan to transform the food here at Scarborough Hospital. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:16 | |
Already I can see the need to simplify the menus by reducing the amount of dishes they cook, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
and focus on quality rather than quantity. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
I need to look at how to reduce the incredible amount of wastage on the wards. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
And I want to win over the hearts and minds of the staff | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
and get them to cook fresh ingredients from local suppliers. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
'But before I make any drastic changes, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
'I need to sort out some of the basics.' | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
Frozen beans take a minute to cook. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
They've been in there about ten minutes. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
How you doing, you all right? | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
'There's limited cooking from scratch going on, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
'which must be a frustration for a highly skilled kitchen team.' | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
The old boy there cooking the beans, the, the hotels where he's worked is amazing, you know, he's spent | 0:17:00 | 0:17:06 | |
most of his life making fresh soup and preparing fresh veg and... | 0:17:06 | 0:17:11 | |
and cooking it. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:12 | |
And then he gets here and he's just putting frozen beans in a boiler | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
and cooking it for ten minutes. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
What's crazy to me is the perfect solution is right under our nose. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
They've got a piece of kit in there, it's worth about ten grand, | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
that is the best bit of kit | 0:17:29 | 0:17:31 | |
in the kitchen to cook anything in. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
And it's not worked for ten years. And it'll cook, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
literally a tray of raw carrots in about 45 seconds. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
It's brilliant and it's not a microwave, nothing. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
It's superheated steam, it'll keep all the nutrients in there. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
It's a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant way of cooking. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
So we need that to work. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
The NHS doesn't throw money at catering departments | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
like a lot of the big hotels and restaurants do. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
So I think it has actually been quite an eye opener for him this morning, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:04 | |
-to see what equipment we have to work with. -Deal, I'll do you a deal. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
-Yeah, go on then. -Right? -Yeah. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
If we achieve what you want, what you want and what I want, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
and we all leave here with a smile on our face, I will buy you | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
a brand new machine to replace that. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
Ah James, ah, that's nice. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
And that's coming from a Yorkshireman, that. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
'I've only been here one day and there's been a huge amount to take on board. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
'The first thing I want to tackle | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
'Pat about is simplifying their inefficient 21 day menu cycle.' | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
I know that the menus last for three weeks, there's a three week cycle... | 0:18:43 | 0:18:46 | |
but are people really staying here three weeks | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
and do really people mind having a different choice every day for 21 days? | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
Are you really bothered with that? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:55 | |
In fact, the average length of stay is only four-and-a-half days | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
so I want to reduce the menu cycle | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
to just one week, but it can only happen if Pat gives me her full support. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:07 | |
I really do genuinely believe a weekly menu works. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
I think a week is pushing it, James. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
I really, really... Trust me. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
-OK. -Plus points is less ordering. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
-Yeah. -Less waste, | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
-better value. -Yeah. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
Cos you'll get, you're buying in bigger, bigger quantities, better, you'll get a much better cost. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
You'll know exactly your food costs, much more regularly, and you | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
can fluctuate that because of the, the seasons and everything else. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
And you can change the menu more often. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
I think the fresh vegetables that we make, we make our own soup. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
So all I'm asking is weekly, make our own soup and veg, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
that's it for the moment, nothing else. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
Well, I'm going to put your argument over to the rest of the team. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:57 | |
-We have got a reputation for our hospital food. -Yeah. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
And it's been good right, and I don't want them to feel... | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
I know your reservations I, I realise that. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
I'm trying to help though. I'm not, I'm not trying to criticise. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
-No, I know that. -I'm not trying to criticise. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
I don't want them to feel that though, because I think what | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
they will come back and say to me is, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
he's only been here a day and he's going to chop the menu in two. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
I'm not...I'm not on about, "I've been here a day", I'm not on about... | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
-I'm trying to make it easier for you. -I know you are. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
-You've got...you've got hardly any equipment. -I know. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
All right, I will come here and I will work, and if I've got to make | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
bloody omelettes, I will make omelettes. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
I will help you as much as I can. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
And I'm trying to make it easier for you. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
But what I don't want them to feel, cos after today you've been in today, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
is that he's come in, you've agreed Pat to chop two thirds off the menu. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
I need to break that to them gently to say this is what we want to do. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
-Right, OK. I'll... -Do, do you see where I'm coming from? | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
I'll, let's, what about, offer them two weeks first, then? | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
I think that might be easier to accept. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
OK, I agree with you. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
-Deal? -Deal. -Hug? | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
I know I'm asking Pat to implement big changes to her kitchen. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
I want her to simplify the menus and start cooking | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
with more fresh ingredients, so I need to demonstrate to her | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
that it's still possible even on her limited budget. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
Here in London I'm hoping a visit to a centre of excellence | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
will open her eyes to see what can be achieved. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:45 | |
So I'm here, right here in the centre of London at Brompton Hospital. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
Now, this place has won countless awards for their food | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
and I, for one, am intrigued about how they've done it because they still keep within their budget. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
They've only got one 1p a day more to spend than they have | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
in Scarborough, but they've managed to do organic, local produce. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:02 | |
They try and get at least a third of their produce from a 50-mile radius around London. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
When you think about London prices, | 0:22:06 | 0:22:08 | |
in particular for food, it's going to be a lot more expensive | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
than it is in Scarborough. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:13 | |
So I can't wait to find out | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
and hopefully Pat and Sharon will enjoy it too, so fingers crossed. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
The Royal Brompton is a rarity amongst hospital trusts. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
They believe that their patients deserve good nutritious food | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
to make their stay more pleasant and aid recovery. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
A specialist heart and lung hospital, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
it treats up to 300 patients at any one time. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
'Pat's equivalent is Mike Duckett. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
'Although he's pretty much the same amount to spend per patient as Pat, he uses fresh local ingredients | 0:22:41 | 0:22:47 | |
'and cooks everything from scratch on site. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
'He can afford to do this by supplementing his budget with | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
'the profit he makes from his successful on-site public restaurant.' | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
So you're looking forward to it? | 0:22:57 | 0:22:58 | |
'I think Pat and Sharon can learn a lot from this model, so I'm hoping Mike will be able to inspire them.' | 0:22:58 | 0:23:04 | |
-Right, welcome to the kitchen, ladies. -Thank you. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
And, and the kitchen is based on a hotel kitchen, so here we've got | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
the pastry section, and Louis our pastry chef makes all the pastries, sponges that sort of thing. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:17 | |
So today he made the apple flan, and he's at the moment making the scones for the afternoon tea. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:25 | |
-Oh, they look nice, don't they? -They look good, don't they, girls? | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
They do, yeah, very good. So how many staff have you got, chefs-wise? | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
Chefs, we've got nine with the head chef. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
'I think Pat was expecting more than that.' | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
And we have our own chiller unit. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
30% of what we purchase is either local, organic, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
or is local to the South East. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
-It would be nice to have our own veg fridge, wouldn't it? -Yeah, that size, yeah. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
'Rather than from a chiller, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:53 | |
'most of Pat's vegetables come from a freezer.' | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
This is the pasta boiler we use for our vegetables, so they're blanched then taken out. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
-There's nothing worse that overcooked vegetables. -No, there isn't, no. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
We don't use any of the tinned or powder soups | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
because they're just flavoured water really, | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
there's no value in those at all, absolute waste of time, yeah. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
-I haven't prompted him to say anything! -No! | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
I know you're looking at the packet of margarine, but that's not... | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
I was looking at sunflower spread portions at the top there, James. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
It's fine, but the ethos as it is, I think what we, what I, wanted you | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
to come here and see, particularly with Mike, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
his whole ethos of fresh ingredients. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
-Ingredients, yeah. -We can still do it under budget, we can still do that. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
It's just how it works and how we generate other income from other things, to help you out really. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
The hospital kitchen also supplies food to the on-site restaurant | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
which generates a very healthy income stream. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
It has more than doubled in the last ten years to a staggering £1.2 million, | 0:24:53 | 0:24:59 | |
and any profit it generates goes straight back into the kitchens. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
Something that's definitely worth looking at, at Scarborough. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
The food here looks amazing but does it really live up to its reputation? | 0:25:06 | 0:25:11 | |
-That duck looks gorgeous. -And I'm going to dive into my Welsh lamb. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
And I'm going to put my butter on my bread. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
How many have you got?! | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
Three! He's done that on purpose. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
-I have paid for it. -He's done that on purpose. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
But you must get people come in here to eat, though. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
Yeah, we try and encourage as many people in Chelsea | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
to come here because it's taxpayers money, you know. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
Yeah, and at the end of the day the more customers you get, the better profit you make. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
Asparagus soup. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:40 | |
Oh, that's gorgeous. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
Today's made me feel like we do need to change a few things, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
even though we do get positive feedback | 0:25:48 | 0:25:50 | |
at the hospital, but we could make that even better, improve things more. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
So yeah, I'd like to turn the menus round a little bit. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
We both had the same patient meal cost, so it was interesting to see what he was using. | 0:25:56 | 0:26:04 | |
There's things that we can change on our menu, virtually instantly. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
The staff menus were, were quite intriguing, really, | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
and they have the show with the chef carving the meat and whatever. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
That, that was lovely to see | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
and we'd love to do something spectacular like that at Scarborough. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
Inspired by a trip to the Royal Brompton I think Scarborough | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
is really missing a trick with its own restaurant. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
It caters for both staff and visitors but at the moment, it's not attracting many customers. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:40 | |
Only around 25% of staff actually eat here and most visitors don't even know it's open to the public. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:47 | |
There are no signs advertising anywhere to go, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
so I presumed there wasn't anywhere. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
A lot of us do tend to go over to the baguette shop because you get more of a selection, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
the baguettes are a lot nicer than normal plain sandwiches now and again. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
A high number of staff use a local baguette shop instead of | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
spending their money here in the hospital restaurant. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
But I think with simple marketing and providing the staff and visitors with a better choice, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:13 | |
by my calculations the hospital restaurant could potentially make £1,500 per day. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:20 | |
I just need to persuade Pat and her boss Richard Vincent, to consider some changes. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:26 | |
If I put a big blackboard there. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
With daily, put it with chalk on there, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:32 | |
you can have a lovely tureen of soup in the background, homemade soup. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
And we address this salad bar. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
-Yeah. -And let's go for stuff like couscous salads. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
-Yeah. -You know, we'll spice up the couscous salads. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
And what I'd like to do on here, | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
I'd like to do a roast every day. Are you happy with that? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
I like the idea of a carved roast cos I think it's a show piece, yes, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
I think that's really, really nice. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
This then becomes a restaurant, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
it doesn't become just a place for staff to eat. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
It becomes somewhere that, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
because I believe this is probably the only place that we've got to generate | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
-a good income. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
'The food that's served here is the same as the patients' menu, but does it taste better?' | 0:28:09 | 0:28:15 | |
Well, there we go, I've had my lunch and... | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
yeah, it's what I expected really, I suppose. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
A simple baked potato with packet sauces is hardly a meal. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
The dessert, I was really looking forward to that cherry bakewell | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
and then they smothered it with this sort of glow in the dark custard with the skin on it. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:35 | |
This really is a shop window for everything that we do and progress forward, and it's the only place | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
where we can generate income, to get the equipment fixed, to serve better food and everything else. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
So we've got to make this look a little bit more appetising than what it is here. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
And then, let's face it, to have a restaurant that's named after | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
a hair-lipped Viking is not really a good start, is it, really? | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
But before I can do anything, I want to win the hearts and the minds of the team. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
The first thing, I walked in here, you guys are doing an unbelievable job. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:06 | |
The amount of people that you serve with the equipment that you've got, phenomenal. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
This is a three week menu cycle that you've had on. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
Now, I know Pat has her reservations over it and I'm pretty sure you probably might do. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:18 | |
Now what I'm trying to bring to the party | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
is that if we reduce the menu cycle down, | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
I want to go to a week. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:24 | |
I don't think that's a good idea, maybe a fortnight, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
but when you've got patients in for several weeks at a time.... | 0:29:28 | 0:29:30 | |
Right, right, have you spoken to the patients? | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
-No... -Hold on a second. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
You've been here 20 years and you've not spoken to a patient. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
They can't remember, can you remember what you had last Tuesday? | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
-No, probably not. -So what the hell are we doing, putting dishes on and thinking about a three week cycle? | 0:29:42 | 0:29:48 | |
The idea is we don't want people coming in here and living in here, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
-we want them to get better. -Yeah. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
So they only way we can get better is that medicine's improved, in the last 20 years | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
that's the reason why people's stay has shortened. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
Now, I think the food has stayed back 30 years ago. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
How often do you change your three-week menus? | 0:30:06 | 0:30:09 | |
We never do, they haven't been changed for about ten years. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
-Yeah, about nine, yeah. -Nine years? | 0:30:13 | 0:30:14 | |
Right, if we keep a weekly menu cycle and change it three times a year, we can then get fresh veg. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:21 | |
We can buy better deals on stuff, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:23 | |
at a cheaper rate, so you're going to be doing fresh soup. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:26 | |
-All packet soup's banned. -Yeah, I like the idea of that, actually. -Yeah, and we'll do fresh soup. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
So why don't we do it, why don't we try it? | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
There are still a substantial amount of people that are in for fortnight, three weeks... | 0:30:34 | 0:30:38 | |
These people, these people are ill, | 0:30:38 | 0:30:40 | |
they don't... You're fit and healthy, you're stood upright, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
you might not be when I'm finished with you. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
But you're stood upright and you're telling me that, | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
-that you can remember what you had for the last seven days. -No, probably not. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:54 | |
So you're telling me that them lot in there have the same food? | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
I probably am, I probably am stuck in ways. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
Cos you've been here 20 years, not once in 20 years have you gone out | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
-there and spoken to the customers. -No, I don't get the opportunity. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
-Is that cooking? -No. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
-What do you want? -I want fresh, proper soup, I wouldn't mind doing that whatsoever. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:17 | |
And if I'm saying to you the only way we can do it is seven days, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
do you want to go there? | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
Now if we go two weeks you use that, what do you want to do? | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
I'm all up for a bit of change cos I do think it needs it, when it comes to certain dishes on the menus. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
You were asking me earlier that | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
compromise on two weeks. It's gone from that now, it's down to one. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
Cos I've slept on it. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:38 | |
INAUDIBLE JOKE | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
I've slept on it. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
It'll be great guys, honest to God, it'll be great. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
-Well, you've got my support, then. -It'll be great. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:52 | |
-Convinced? -I'm convinced about the fresh thing and I'm willing to try the weekly thing. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
Now I can go to sleep. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
I ain't said yes, yet. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
Another of my aims is for Pat to look at buying | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
more of produce closer to home, especially as the hospital | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
is located in the heart of some of the best farming land in the country. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
Pat has control of a £500,000 food budget | 0:32:18 | 0:32:23 | |
and spends almost £80,000 on dairy produce alone, but rather than use a local dairy, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:29 | |
her milk comes from a huge multinational company which has branches all across the UK. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:35 | |
If she were to buy from farms on her doorstep, she may not only save precious pennies | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
but also give a huge boost to the local economy. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
There's been a lot of talk about British dairy farming over recent years. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
Not long ago there used to be 28,000 UK dairy farms, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
that's just dropped to just under 11,000, with nine every single week going out of business. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:55 | |
If you don't support them, sights like this will be gone forever. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
One farmer who went out of business is Michael Ricketson. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:05 | |
He took over his father's dairy farm 20 years ago and despite working seven days a week, all year long | 0:33:05 | 0:33:12 | |
without ever taking a day off, he still couldn't make ends meet. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
About 18 months ago, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
we were forced into the position where we had to make a decision, | 0:33:17 | 0:33:22 | |
and the decision was could we carry on producing milk at a loss? | 0:33:22 | 0:33:29 | |
The amount we were getting for a litre of milk at one stage dropped down to 16 pence. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:36 | |
Just latterly at the end it got to about 22 pence, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
but at that particular time it was probably costing 26 pence to produce, | 0:33:40 | 0:33:45 | |
so it doesn't take a mathematician to work out that that's a no-brainer. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:51 | |
But if hospitals like Scarborough were sourcing their produce locally, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
then Michael's dairy farm could potentially still be producing milk. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:59 | |
It was probably the most emotional day of my life | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
and there was certainly a tear in me eye at the end of the day | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
when some of me nicest pets left the farm. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:15 | |
The situation has become so dire that the average dairy farmer today makes just £20,000 a year | 0:34:23 | 0:34:29 | |
while working a 60-hour week. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
Just one of the reasons why many have finally called it a day. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
Now, sadly, stories like Michael's are commonplace throughout the UK and the farming community. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
In a bid to stop that happening to producers right on Scarborough's doorstep, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
the best way is to get the guys out of the kitchen | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
and to experience what it's like to produce and taste the produce right on their doorstep. | 0:34:50 | 0:34:55 | |
And I think by bringing them to a farm, they'll really understand how good and how cheap | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
and how local produce can really be. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
Pat, her deputy catering manager Dawn, and chef Josie | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
are stuck within the four walls of the hospital | 0:35:09 | 0:35:11 | |
day in and day out, so I've brought them to the Acorn Dairy Farm in Darlington. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:17 | |
The farm has been run by the Tweddle family since 1928 | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
and the only way they've survived this long is by adapting their farming methods. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:26 | |
Unable to compete with larger mass-producing dairy farms, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:30 | |
in the late 1990s, they decided to move away from intensive farming and go into the organic milk market. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:36 | |
The family set up their own processing plant, | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
and it's here that I want Pat and her team to have a look round first. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
At the moment, Pat's milk comes from a large consortium of dairies and travels around 120 miles. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:56 | |
How long is it between, obviously, coming from the cow, from milking, | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
to in the container, out to the customers? | 0:36:01 | 0:36:06 | |
The milk that the guys are packing here today was in the cow last night. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:11 | |
OK? | 0:36:11 | 0:36:12 | |
What volume of milk do you process in a day? | 0:36:12 | 0:36:17 | |
Here, we are a small-scale dairy, OK? There are dairies out there | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
doing in an hour what we're doing in a week. A typical run in here would be about 20,000 litres. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:28 | |
That's still an awful lot, isn't it, yeah? | 0:36:28 | 0:36:31 | |
Now, one thing that I've found fascinating about this - | 0:36:31 | 0:36:35 | |
I've learnt something, the girls have learnt something | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
and I think it strikes a chord in Pat's mind that she's buying milk | 0:36:37 | 0:36:41 | |
and it's from 120 miles away, and it's a consortium. It's that mixture of all these different farms. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:47 | |
However, you've got somebody right on her doorstep who above all else is willing to cut their prices | 0:36:47 | 0:36:53 | |
to support the NHS and we get a better product. A win-win for everybody. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:59 | |
If we cut out the middle man, we're going to reduce the cost to a certain extent | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
and by reducing the cost in that way, by knocking out the middle man, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
we might be able to improve the quality of what we're actually going to be using in the department. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:19 | |
-And what we're putting on the menus. -Yeah, and that can only be good all the way round. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
And keeping these people in business as well. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
Yeah, I mean, why should they be importing milk in | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
from other countries? | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
When we've got farmers here who are going out of business, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
that's absolutely ridiculous. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
Having spent some time at Scarborough General Hospital, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
I've now come up with a five-point plan | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
which I hope will lead to change. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:47 | |
But for my campaign | 0:38:01 | 0:38:03 | |
to be able to get off the ground, I need some investment from the Hospital Trust. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
I've waited three weeks for this meeting | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
and I'm just about to meet the big boss of the Trust behind me, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
and he's in charge of all the purse strings in the whole hospital, | 0:38:13 | 0:38:17 | |
so he dictates where all the money is spent and to be honest, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
over the last 20 years, not a lot has been spent in that kitchen. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
Hi there, Mike. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
-Good to see you. -Good to see you. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
Now, Mike, you're the big boss here, would that be right? | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
-Allegedly, yeah. -Allegedly. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
-You haven't been here very long. -No, about eight weeks. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
Now, in terms of food, I've been round several hospitals. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:47 | |
Some are very positive when it comes to food, | 0:38:47 | 0:38:49 | |
some, dare I say, are last on the list when it comes to food. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
I get the feeling that the front services get the lion's share, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
the back services don't get any, to be honest. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
And I think that's often the case | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
and one of the great things about you being here | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
is making us focus on food. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
Cos it's very tempting as a chief executive of an organisation | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
just to simply think about clinical services | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
There's always something else you can spend your money on. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
-I've not got a massive list here, and I'm not going to... -OK. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
Pat wants a new kitchen. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:23 | |
You can say yes or no. That'll be a no! OK... | 0:39:23 | 0:39:26 | |
She was promised one 19 years ago and she's still here - | 0:39:26 | 0:39:30 | |
I think she'll be here for another 19 years before it arrives. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:33 | |
What I propose to do is have a look at the restaurant. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
I see that as a revenue stream that comes back into the catering budget. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
Absolutely, yeah. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:41 | |
To help you, not go into your kitties, to help us fund | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
-in terms of equipment and everything else, it benefits everybody. -Sure. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
So first of all, do I have any money, | 0:39:47 | 0:39:50 | |
or am I fighting a losing battle in terms of blackboards, signage | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
to draw people into the restaurant? | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
Because at the moment, you walk round the hospital | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
-and there's nothing to say you've got a restaurant. -OK. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
But in terms of that, I see the only way we're going to do that | 0:40:01 | 0:40:05 | |
is to make it a bit more of an appealing place for people to go. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
I don't think... Part of the problem is, | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
the financial problems in the organisation, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
there's been a stasis about decisions about things like that | 0:40:13 | 0:40:16 | |
and I want to change that atmosphere. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
I want to treat it like a business and if I can justify | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
-spending that money and bring you it in income, through feeding people... -I'll be happy. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:26 | |
-Thank you very much. -You're welcome. -Deal done. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
Hopefully I've given the hospital's new chief executive | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
plenty to think about. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:34 | |
I understand that Pat can't have a new kitchen, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
but with the best will in the world, we won't able to improve the food here at Scarborough | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
unless they do something about the equipment, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
which I reckon wouldn't look out of place on an Antiques Roadshow. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:49 | |
It's a defrosting cabinet | 0:40:49 | 0:40:50 | |
and instead of defrosting my fish, it actually cooked it. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
-So we had to dispose of it. -It cooked it?! -It cooked it. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
So this 16 years old. This was replaced in 1995. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:03 | |
When I came in this morning, the handle on the brack pan had come loose, so that they couldn't tilt it. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:09 | |
They couldn't twist it to tilt it. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
-So, what happens if this thing breaks? -We have one of two options. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
You either take the dish off the menu, | 0:41:15 | 0:41:17 | |
or we have to cook food sooner, so we can cook it all in the one brack pan. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:22 | |
But then if we do that, | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
we'll get criticised by the environmental health officer | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
because we're cooking food too soon. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
'I can't believe what I'm hearing, and it doesn't end there.' | 0:41:29 | 0:41:33 | |
So, the other thing, this is one of our large combination ovens | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
and if we were cooking joints in here | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
we would use an integral probe. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
And once the centre... | 0:41:42 | 0:41:44 | |
How long has that been like that? | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
Two or three months. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
-Months? -Months. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
Scarborough has an internal maintenance department, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
but they look after the whole hospital, and, unfortunately, | 0:41:55 | 0:41:59 | |
the kitchen is way down on their list of priorities. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:01 | |
On my first visit, I discovered that the steamer hadn't worked for years. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:05 | |
But rather than get it repaired, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
the maintenance team just condemned it and took it away. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
That's the thing that happens in the health service. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
You don't have, like, every five or ten years you have a refit. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
Our things get replaced, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:20 | |
well, basically, when they come to the end of their working life. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:24 | |
To me, it's kind of common sense | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
-that the maintenance of it is the most crucial thing. -Mm-hmm. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
Because if you don't maintain it... | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
it's never going to work, is it? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
It does amaze me, to be honest. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:38 | |
I mean, it is actually no wonder | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
they had a report and the environmental health gave them a demand | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
that they had to fix the floor. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
And that's why they're in the situation that they're in at the moment. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
Because otherwise, they were going to shut the hospital kitchen down. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
It's just... | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
I'm astonished that head chef Sharon and her team of chefs | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
are currently able to provide 1,000 meals every day from this kitchen. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
So, what changes have you seen over the years, Sharon? | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
Erm...changes? | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
The hospital's got bigger, but the kitchen's the same size, you know? | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
This kitchen was built in 1930, | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
when the hospital was doing 150 patients a day. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:29 | |
But since then, the hospital has doubled in size | 0:43:29 | 0:43:33 | |
and they now have to feed around 300 patients every day. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
I feel sorry for them. If this is all they've got to work with, | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
then it's kind of fighting a losing battle, isn't it? | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
How old is this? | 0:43:44 | 0:43:45 | |
Again, that's been here before I arrived, which is, er... | 0:43:45 | 0:43:49 | |
-Before you arrived?! -Yeah, a few years, yeah! | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
It's my favourite piece of equipment. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
It's your favourite piece of equipment? | 0:43:54 | 0:43:56 | |
It's like a poop scoop! | 0:43:57 | 0:43:59 | |
Up to now, spending money on the hospital kitchen hasn't been seen as crucial, | 0:44:01 | 0:44:05 | |
so I'm pleased that after my initial meeting, | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
Mike Proctor is now due to meet the catering team | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
for the very first time. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
Well, I think you'd need... | 0:44:13 | 0:44:14 | |
To do what they want to do - | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
particularly to do what the Trust want to do upstairs - | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
you're probably looking at 20, 30 grand, I have to say. | 0:44:19 | 0:44:23 | |
So, fingers crossed. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
How are you doing, matey? | 0:44:29 | 0:44:30 | |
-Hi, nice to see you again. -Are you all right? -I'm good thanks. How are you? -Very good. -Good morning? | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
Very good. Shall I get... Is this good news or is this bad news? | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
Shall we gather people around? | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
Do you want to gather the troops? | 0:44:39 | 0:44:41 | |
Hi there. Hi there. Hi. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
Hi, everybody. Pleased to meet you. My name's Mike Proctor, I'm chief executive here. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:49 | |
I've been involved in, and really interested in the work that James has been talking to you about. | 0:44:49 | 0:44:55 | |
He came to see me last week | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
and had lots of ideas about how to make things better. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:00 | |
But one of the things he needed from us is for us to spend a little bit of money on that | 0:45:00 | 0:45:04 | |
to actually improve that. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:06 | |
So, myself and James Haywood, who's director of facilities, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
have been to see the director of finance. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
We've turned him upside down, picked his back pocket and we've been able to put together £5,000 | 0:45:12 | 0:45:17 | |
for you to actually use on this project, OK? | 0:45:17 | 0:45:22 | |
Great stuff. Let's use it wisely, eh? | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
-Yeah. -Let's see what we can do, OK? Thanks. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:28 | |
-Thank you very much. -Cheers. No problem. Thank you. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:31 | |
Thank you. Right, back to work, troops. | 0:45:31 | 0:45:34 | |
Could have put another zero on the end of it! | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
That's next... But, you never know, we'll do our best. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:40 | |
We'll do our best. It's a start. It is a start. | 0:45:40 | 0:45:42 | |
It's kind of made my job a whole lot harder, hasn't it, really? | 0:45:44 | 0:45:47 | |
Five grand? | 0:45:49 | 0:45:50 | |
I know you've only been here eight weeks, but I want you to understand what these guys go through. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:09 | |
I'm gobsmacked that they do this for 26 years, day in, day out, | 0:46:09 | 0:46:15 | |
constantly, and they've still got a smile on their face. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
It's just, any one of my guys would just go... | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
"Get stuffed." And walk out. | 0:46:22 | 0:46:24 | |
The five grand is a starter, right? | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
I know it's a starter, but it ain't going to switch a switch in there. | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
And it's to do the stuff that you came and asked me about doing. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:33 | |
-Yeah. -Absolutely happy about that. -Well, what I'm proposing is, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
if we're going to spend that five-grand budget... | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
This is what happens in a hospital down south that I think works. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:44 | |
If we spend that five-grand budget upstairs, | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
it's only fair for us, we're working out to make that work, | 0:46:47 | 0:46:51 | |
that the money from that and the proceeds from it | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
-go back into here to make this work. -Yes. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
I've got good reason to believe this funding model can work. | 0:46:56 | 0:47:00 | |
Despite having a similar patient food budget, the Royal Brompton Hospital in London | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
provides high-quality, nutritious food | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
and pays for this by reinvesting profits from their restaurant into the kitchen. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:12 | |
And I'm hoping Mike will let us use any of the profits we make in the same way. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
In principle, in terms of the profits that are made, | 0:47:17 | 0:47:21 | |
the increased profits certainly that are made, but the overall... | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
-No, not the increased profits. -Well... -The only way that this would work. -Yeah. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
And to make it beneficial for these guys and everything, and the whole project to work... | 0:47:28 | 0:47:33 | |
That is how I envisaged it to work, because it works at Brompton Hospital. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:37 | |
You get better. The whole ethos of the food at Scarborough General Hospital gets better - everything. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:44 | |
But to be able to afford to do that, | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
I have to have a revenue stream coming in elsewhere | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
from the £3.49 we get at the moment. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
'Without proper investment, | 0:47:52 | 0:47:53 | |
'this campaign could fall at the first hurdle.' | 0:47:53 | 0:47:56 | |
What can you do with five grand in a commercial kitchen? | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
Apart from buy a few ladles and... | 0:48:04 | 0:48:06 | |
..and get one of the machines fixed? But it's... | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
..certainly not made my life any easier. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:17 | |
HOLDING BACK TEARS We'll get there | 0:48:24 | 0:48:26 | |
and we'll implement those menus if it's the last thing that we do. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:30 | |
With only limited funds available from the Hospital Trust, | 0:48:36 | 0:48:39 | |
it becomes vital for us to crack on with the new menus. | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
They don't only need to appeal to the patients on the wards, | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
but also the paying public and the hospital staff | 0:48:47 | 0:48:49 | |
as generating a profit from the restaurant | 0:48:49 | 0:48:52 | |
is key to making my plan work. | 0:48:52 | 0:48:55 | |
I've got lots of ideas, so I've gathered together Pat, head chef Sharon, | 0:48:55 | 0:49:00 | |
dietician Rachael Bumby | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
and Denis Smith, who's responsible for liaising with all the hospital's suppliers | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
to work out exactly which dishes we should go for. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
I don't think veg chilli and an omelette is a good combination. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:15 | |
-It would have to go down here. -Yeah, I think you ought to mix it. -Bolognese, we do that one. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:20 | |
-We've got lasagne on Thursday. Where's the other one? We've got... -Bolognese here and then do a pasta. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:25 | |
Pasta on Saturday. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
A vegetable penne pasta. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
-Cheese and mushroom quiche flies out. -We've got baked gammon, so that's relatively low-fat. | 0:49:29 | 0:49:33 | |
-Yeah, that's what I was going to say. -I'd like to see creamed mash potato, I'd like to see carrots. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:38 | |
I'd like to see beans, but I'd like to see fresh carrots and beans. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:41 | |
We've had to come up with 14 soups and 35 main dishes | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
that all meet the dietician's strict nutritional criteria. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
They have to appeal to a wide range of patients | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
and contain the right blend of vitamins and minerals. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
It's been a challenge replacing all that packet soup, | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
but we're managed to do it with fresh homemade ones like butternut squash and lime, | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
and cauliflower and apple. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
For the main courses, I'm opting for dishes that will endure the journey from the kitchen to the ward | 0:50:07 | 0:50:13 | |
and still be nutritious and palatable. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
They'll have to withstand sitting for hours in hot cabinets and being superheated. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:20 | |
So I've replaced dishes like chicken pasta and lamb stew | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
with my chicken and leek bake, and a healthy, tasty Mediterranean roasted vegetable couscous. | 0:50:23 | 0:50:30 | |
I'm enhancing the dessert menu by adding more homemade comfort dishes, | 0:50:30 | 0:50:35 | |
like my signature dish, sticky toffee pudding. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:37 | |
Also on the list is treacle tart, and scones with jam and cream. | 0:50:37 | 0:50:43 | |
Today's been a mixed day of highs and lows. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
The highs - I'm really pleased we've got the menu done. Thank God, to be honest! | 0:50:51 | 0:50:55 | |
It's now seven days, | 0:50:55 | 0:50:56 | |
because it took long enough just to get the seven days of dishes on the menu, | 0:50:56 | 0:51:02 | |
let alone three weeks. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
I think they've finally come round to the fact that that's going well. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
The lows have been Mike. I was very, very surprised that all we got was five grand. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:11 | |
It's a month into the project, and we've finally agreed | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
which dishes to put on to the menus. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
But before we can we can get down to the serious business | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
of cooking good, tasty, healthy and nutritious food, | 0:51:23 | 0:51:26 | |
there's just one last hurdle to get over - | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
the Hospital Trust. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:30 | |
Without their support, it could still all come to nothing, | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
so I've decided to invite the key players along to Scarborough Catering College | 0:51:34 | 0:51:38 | |
so they can taste my new dishes alongside | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
what is currently served to the patients. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
For starters, it's soup, a vital part of my plan | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
for the new menus. Served up for lunch and dinner, | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
it's one food that patients are likely to eat when they're not feeling well, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
so I think it needs to be as nutritious and tasty as possible. | 0:51:56 | 0:52:00 | |
'From the current hospital menu, we have packet vegetable soup, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
'which is high in additives and salt, | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
'but low in protein and vitamins.' | 0:52:12 | 0:52:13 | |
OK, you can take that out, please? | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
'I'm proposing we swap it for a homemade version. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
'Today, I've made butternut squash soup, which is low in fat, | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
'high in fibre and packed full of antioxidants.' | 0:52:22 | 0:52:26 | |
Up for the taste challenge are Mike Proctor, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
the hospital's chief executive, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:33 | |
James Hayward, director of facilities, | 0:52:33 | 0:52:35 | |
ultimately responsible for the catering department. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:38 | |
Leo McGrory, who lobbies on behalf of the patients | 0:52:38 | 0:52:43 | |
and hospital dietician Rachel Bumby. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:46 | |
'First up is the packet soup.' | 0:52:52 | 0:52:55 | |
What does it taste of? | 0:53:01 | 0:53:03 | |
-It tastes floury. -It's very floury. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
It looks like porridge. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:07 | |
'Next it's the turn of my butternut squash soup.' | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
-It's really nice. -Very nice. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:21 | |
How do the two dishes compare in costing? | 0:53:21 | 0:53:24 | |
'My fresh soups are more expensive.' | 0:53:24 | 0:53:26 | |
On average, 25p rather than 9p per person | 0:53:26 | 0:53:30 | |
but by cutting down on menu options and buying in bulk, | 0:53:30 | 0:53:34 | |
I think we'll be able to find the extra money. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:37 | |
'Moving onto the main course, from the hospital menu, | 0:53:37 | 0:53:40 | |
'we have chicken and tomato pasta, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
'which has a tendency to dry out after it's been held | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
'in a hot cabinet for hours and then superheated.' | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
'There's silence. I don't think it's a big hit with the panel. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:54 | |
'Hopefully my roasted vegetable couscous with chicken | 0:53:54 | 0:53:58 | |
'will fare better with the critics.' | 0:53:58 | 0:54:00 | |
I think that main course is delicious. | 0:54:05 | 0:54:08 | |
If you were eating out some evening and you had that, | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
-you would say that was very, very nice. -If you could get that for £3 | 0:54:12 | 0:54:15 | |
-in the dining room... -You'd jump at it. -There'd be a queue. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
Absolutely. And I think that to a patient, | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
there's no comparison to me between the two dishes. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:25 | |
But quality does cost. My couscous with chicken is 90p | 0:54:25 | 0:54:29 | |
whereas the chicken pasta | 0:54:29 | 0:54:31 | |
works out at only 46p per portion. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
I mean, from a chef's point of view, I came to this college myself, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:39 | |
so we've all got the skills and we'd love to cook | 0:54:39 | 0:54:42 | |
with ingredients like this, but it's always been down to budget. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:46 | |
'Someone had to bring it up. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
'It's time to tackle the real reason for this dinner.' | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
James has got to pressurise the chief exec | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
and the director of facilities | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
for that extra funding, and we need to get a commitment out of them. | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
Well, there's going to be some mileage in what they say | 0:55:00 | 0:55:03 | |
-if we reduce the number of... -Yeah. -..menus and we reduce the menu cycle, | 0:55:03 | 0:55:07 | |
buy bigger in bulk, there's got to be some cost... | 0:55:07 | 0:55:10 | |
There is, but the only way that this works | 0:55:10 | 0:55:12 | |
and has worked anywhere else is this self-funding itself. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
And at the moment, I just feel | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
for too long it's been left. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
If we don't get the commitment and they're not willing to put the money | 0:55:21 | 0:55:25 | |
back into the department, | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
then the whole project could just fall flat on its face. | 0:55:27 | 0:55:31 | |
At the end of the day, this is why I came on board. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
The only way we'll change stuff is if you get off your backside | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
and do something about it. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
The next step, the next level we want to get is great food, not good food. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:41 | |
Yeah, and the only way that they can achieve it | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
is by having a little bit more money in the kitty. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:46 | |
-I mean, with... -Yeah, well that needs a discussion between you two. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
It does, actually. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
I feel I've really put everything I possibly can... No, don't start now. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:57 | |
I get upset because | 0:56:01 | 0:56:03 | |
we've all put our heart and souls into this project, | 0:56:03 | 0:56:07 | |
but I know deep down if we all pull together, | 0:56:07 | 0:56:09 | |
we can do this. | 0:56:09 | 0:56:12 | |
All of it, all comes back into the kitty. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:15 | |
-Well, what we've got to be careful of... -I've put you on the spot here. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:19 | |
What you've got to remember is the disagreement between me and you | 0:56:19 | 0:56:23 | |
is not whether this is a good idea, it's how much we can plough back in. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:27 | |
-I understand that. -And that's where I'm with you on it. | 0:56:27 | 0:56:30 | |
I want to plough as much of it back, | 0:56:30 | 0:56:32 | |
but I don't want to do it on the basis | 0:56:32 | 0:56:33 | |
that then, looking at the books, I've got to go and find | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
somebody else to sack to do it. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:38 | |
But I do agree that, | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
certainly in the next 12 months for starters, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
any underspend that you've got in the budget ought to be retained with you | 0:56:45 | 0:56:48 | |
-to plough back into this. -And the restaurant. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
I'm leaving! | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
I never, ever thought, | 0:56:53 | 0:56:55 | |
ever in my life, I would sit here and hear a chief exec say to me | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
that any underspend I make on my budget | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
will stay within my department. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:03 | |
Well, I think at the moment... | 0:57:03 | 0:57:05 | |
I'd come over and kiss you if I wasn't so far away, Mike. | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
We can't afford to ignore this stuff and I'm really keen to do something. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
I think today was a positive step and a massive step forward. | 0:57:15 | 0:57:20 | |
To get the chief exec to actually commit to bring some money | 0:57:21 | 0:57:25 | |
back into the catering department, rather than put it | 0:57:25 | 0:57:28 | |
in the central pot, I think is just absolutely amazing. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:31 | |
I just can't believe that he's managed that. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
I've said from the start, he's got an amazing way | 0:57:33 | 0:57:35 | |
of persuading people to do what he wants, | 0:57:35 | 0:57:38 | |
even though we don't always agree with it. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
Don't tell him I said that, will you? | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
'Next time, as we fine tune the recipes, | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
'Pat keeps putting obstacles in my way.' | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
Pork tenderloin, that's way over. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:56 | |
I'm not even putting it on. | 0:57:56 | 0:57:58 | |
'And she finds my dishes are not up to her exacting standards.' | 0:57:58 | 0:58:02 | |
I think that's a bit wet for moussaka? | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
Well, isn't it too thin, though? | 0:58:05 | 0:58:06 | |
'As the big day finally arrives, stress levels hit their peak.' | 0:58:06 | 0:58:11 | |
What we're doing is for the benefit of the patients, | 0:58:11 | 0:58:14 | |
and that's what I set my heart to do | 0:58:14 | 0:58:16 | |
when I started with this job 30 years ago. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
So I hope we succeed. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:20 | |
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