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There's something about a curry that's all pervading.

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Just the thought of it ignites a longing deep inside us.

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It is the only food I can think of where the sense of smell works

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so wonderfully well with memory and imagination.

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At the mere mention of the word, I sense turmeric,

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coriander, garlic and cumin.

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No other food I know gives the taste buds such a roller-coaster ride.

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For nearly three months,

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I travelled all over India, tasting curries

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and watching cooks, trying to find out their secrets,

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because curry is full of complexities

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and it's taken very seriously here and I wanted to show that there's

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more to curry than three pints of lager and a prawn vindaloo.

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First-class curry, Ricky.

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That's a mind-blasting curry, Ricky.

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Well, I was sitting on the plane this morning reading my notes

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coming into Bombay, Mumbai,

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and I was really interested to see that 500 years ago there was

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nothing here but a series of fishing communities on a string of islands.

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The Portuguese came along and they saw what a fabulous harbour

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this was, so they built a series of forts to protect it

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from other greedy European nations.

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Well, in time, the British took over

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and they reclaimed a lot of land from the sea

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and they built a railway down the coast and Bombay flourished

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and it became the most successful

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and opulent city in the subcontinent - the Gateway to India.

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I'm pretty glad I'm not a historian, actually,

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doing this programme,

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because I could be a bit flippant about the Gateway to India

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because I can't help feeling it sort of looks like something

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on a tin of curry powder, you know, because it's so imposing.

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Of course, it was supposed to be imposing

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because it was a bit like the British Raj's front door -

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you sort of arrived here perhaps off a P&O steamer

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and quite ironically and quite sort of romantically, I think,

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it was the gateway where the last British troops marched

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through ceremonially just after independence in 1947.

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It was built to commemorate the landing of King George V

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and Queen Mary when they arrived here in 1911

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and it became the proscenium arch where the great and the good,

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bedecked in their ostrich feathers

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and gold braid, entered the rich, colourful stage which is India.

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And talking of rich, colourful stages,

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it doesn't get much better than this.

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It almost has a biblical feel to it, Sassoon Docks -

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the main fish market in Bombay.

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Well, I must say, I'm always at my happiest in a fish market,

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my most exuberant.

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My wife Sarah says I am a fish cos I love my fish so much.

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I don't know why it is, but fish and boats and open air scenes like this

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at dawn are what really, really makes me excited.

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I mean, look at it! I think in a sense we're all

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excited by sights like this because it sort of takes us

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back to a time when things were simpler,

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when people got on with each other much more closely.

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I mean, the great thing I always find in scenes like this in India

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is that you never feel people have got it in for you

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cos they're too busy doing their own thing, doing their own work.

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I think in the West somehow because everything's tidy and clean,

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we've just lost that sense of kinship.

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PEOPLE CHATTER

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Well, I've been able to talk to a few people

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about what the fish sells for here

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and some of the really big fish like tuna, sailfish, swordfish...

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I've just seen some fish sold for 38,000 for export, but also there's

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lots of little fish which people make a small living out of.

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I was talking to the driver that brought us here.

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He said his dad used to come here with a bucket

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and just buy lots of little fish and take them

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out to the neighbourhood around here and he'd make about 300 rupees,

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which is nothing but was enough to keep his family in food.

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Also, what I've noticed... and I hate waste, OK?

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Being a chef, I hate waste - there is no waste here.

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Nothing gets thrown away.

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Even the little fish that fall out of boxes, all the stuff that's

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thrown onto the quay cos it is too small to sell, is picked

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up by children and taken and sold.

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Fantastic.

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I've finally found it.

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This is one of the most important fish in the whole series.

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Doesn't look much but it's called bombil and it's what we used to know

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in the UK as Bombay duck, but can I find it any more? No way.

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Apparently, it's salted and dried, but it's not hygienic,

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they tell me in the EEC, but I suspect it's because it smells

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and people don't like the smell, but this IS my childhood.

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We always used to have Bombay duck sprinkled on curries.

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I'm determined to find it.

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The fishing boats here are all the same design, a stocky triangle

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of thick teak with a broad stern - clearly a design to be trusted.

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I found it a little disconcerting to see the swastika

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emblazoned on the side of wheelhouses.

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It's strange how over here, it means a sign of good fortune,

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whereas in Europe, it became the most sinister

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symbol in the whole of the Western world.

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Well, as the Australians would say,

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I'm like a kid in a lolly shop here, but it's not just really

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about the fish here, it's about the curries that's really exciting me.

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Because being the most populous city in the whole of India, Bombay

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has fish curries from everywhere - Mangalore, Maharashtra,

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Madras, Kerala, Goa - you name it,

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and I can't wait to get out there and try them all.

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So, the overall effect is that this place inspires you to cook.

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My little house at the edge of the lagoon is a perfect place

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to cook a curry resonant of that vibrant fish market.

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So I'm just slicing up my squid here and just cutting it into rings.

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It's been prepared apart from that with my trusty Indian blue knife

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which cost me 40 rupees. Not a lot of money.

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Now I'm going to make a masala.

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Into my masala grinder I'm going to put some coriander seeds,

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cumin seeds, some black mustard seeds and then some garlic

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and red chilli and some turmeric and finally some fenugreek.

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Turn it on, whiz it up.

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And there we go, only takes seconds.

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Now I'm just going to turn that out into...on top of my coconut,

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just to remind me to put both into my trusty karahi or chatti,

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with quite a good quantity

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of just ordinary vegetable oil in there.

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I'm going to fry off some sliced onions.

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Just stir those around a little.

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Then I've got some garlic and chilli...

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green chilli and sliced ginger.

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There we go.

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Just stir that around to cook it and next,

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while it's still very hot, I add my squid.

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OK, there we go, in goes my masala now

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and the ground, grated coconut.

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I just think it could do with a little bit more colour

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and probably thinking about the amount of chilli in there,

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a bit more oomph, so I'm just going to add some chilli powder,

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about a British teaspoonful, I should think.

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And now add some tomato... There we go. ..just chopped up.

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In this hot country, tomatoes all taste deliciously sweet

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so that's looking good.

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Just going to add a little bit of water

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because I want a bit of sauce happening here.

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I always keep a water bottle near me whenever I'm cooking Indian dishes.

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You never know when you might need it.

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Quite often just if the spices are burning a bit or you

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the want a little bit more liquid for a sauce.

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Now I'm going to add a very important

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ingredient in Mangalorean cooking - tamarind.

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Lovely, sour note, but sometimes I find them a little bit too sour,

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so I'm a bit apt to put a little bit of sugar in there as well.

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I'm using jaggery, which is cane sugar. It's very, very unrefined.

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Tastes wonderful. It tastes like fudge.

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I'm just going to add now a little bit of coriander.

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You know, I love curries like this,

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because it's not all about long, thoughtful cooking, Indian curries -

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sometimes you can do it in minutes like this one

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and very good it is too.

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I had this in a little restaurant...

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Well, it wasn't really a restaurant, it was just a gap in the wall where

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they served really good fish dishes. This took barely 10 minutes to make.

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It's cheap, no-fuss cooking and I love it.

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On my trail for the elusive Bombay duck,

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it looks like I've missed the boat, because all that's left

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on these drying racks is a fish called a snakefish,

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inferior to the famous bombil that I saw earlier in the market.

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But I was invited to go to a fisherman's house in Versova

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and offered a taste of the famous, much-loved Bombay duck, an offer

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I couldn't turn down because I hadn't tasted it since my early 20s.

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I think it's fair to point out that the reason it's hard to get

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in Bombay, this dried, salted Bombay duck, is that restaurant owners

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can't stand it cos of the smell in their restaurants.

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You can appreciate that.

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I mean, back in Padstow, I think I'd be a little bit

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worried about sending hot Bombay duck out like this.

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It is a bit strong, but what I like is fried,

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let go cold and then crumbled over a curry.

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Well, I've just been watching and they're going to bring it now.

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I have to say it's a vegetarian day for them,

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so they're not going to try it.

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They've just done especially for me

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and also they normally do it with a masala,

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but I just wanted to try it plain, just like a snack, because it's

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more like what I remember having sprinkled over my curry.

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It's very good. I mean, I don't know why people get

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so nervous about things that are a bit smelly.

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This is wonderfully salty and savoury,

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be great with a glass of beer.

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Lovely. Thank you very much.

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RICK LAUGHS

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I think we all know in the West that Bombay or Mumbai is

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really on the move.

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There's serious money here and there are

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so many Indians who, having left their mother country to find fortune

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elsewhere, are coming back because the economy here is so buoyant.

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I think that this place has always, since the days of the Arabs

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and the Portuguese, been very cosmopolitan.

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-So this is Britannia?

-This is Britannia.

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'I met a food blogger, Purva Mehra, who took me

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'to a well-established restaurant. It's a Parsi restaurant.

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'Now, the Parsis escaped Muslim persecution in Iran

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'nearly 1,000 years ago and came to the western coast of India.

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'The British loved them because they spoke English and I think the Parsis

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'really liked the British

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'because this restaurant is called Britannia.'

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I notice you've got a picture of the Queen up there on the wall.

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-You want a picture?

-No, no, no.

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-Do you remember the days of the British Raj?

-Yes, I remember.

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How was it?

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I was, at that time, a young man, about 25 years old

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when the British left.

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If you're going back

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to London,

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please give all my love to Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth.

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Well, I've met her a couple of times.

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Please tell her we want her back and we will all be very happy again.

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-Thank you very much.

-I'll do my best.

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-Thank you. We're going to have...

-Can we have the...?

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-We're going to have the berry pulao.

-The berry pulao?

-Yes, please.

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You want to have with chicken or with mutton?

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-We'd like... Chicken is good for you?

-Yes, fine.

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-The chicken berry pulao, please.

-One chicken berry pulao.

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-One chicken berry pulao. Thank you very much.

-OK, thank you very much.

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'So Purva ordered berry pulao, one of the most popular dishes here

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'and it's made with rice and barberries.

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'They are deliciously sour and gleam like rubies and they come from Iran.

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'The whole dish is made with chicken and fried onions,

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'lots of fried onions.'

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Purva, I can't actually tell what's in here

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-and they won't give us a recipe.

-They won't.

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It's a family recipe. It's actually developed by Mr Kohinoor's wife.

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No chilli, is there?

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No...maybe just a hint of it

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but the whole idea is the fragrance because a pulao has

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to be aromatic, otherwise it fails as a pulao.

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In Australia, I got hold of dried sour fruit,

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mostly cherries, from Iran, I think it's a speciality.

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-It is a speciality.

-So who are the Parsis, then?

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They actually fled the Muslim invasion.

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They did not want to be a conquered people,

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so they came and they settled in Gujarat.

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They brought with them

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dishes like chicken dhansak or dhansak in general.

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So that's where dhansak came from?

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Dhansak came from the Parsis and they were excellent tradesmen.

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-They still run the top businesses in the country.

-Well, I mean, I love it.

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It's a little bit sort of moth-eaten

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but presumably they're keeping it the way it always was.

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Yes, Britannia, for instance, was set up in 1923

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and Mr Boman Kohinoor who owns the place is now 91.

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-That's who we've just been talking to?

-Yes.

-Fabulous.

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-Yes, he's managed the place for 75 years now.

-Good Lord.

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-The Queen might watch this.

-He is, he is a loyalist...

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-to his last days.

-Well, let's tuck in.

-Thank you.

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I have a strong feeling that Indians, not all,

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but certainly the ones I've met, regard the British with affection.

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Of course, nobody knows who I am over here and nor should they,

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but when I say I'm from the UK, their faces light up.

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It's as simple as that and this is just one of the legacies

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we left behind.

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This has become as much part of the country as Royal Enfield motorbikes

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and Austin Cambridge cars - so British and yet so Indian.

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I was just wondering how many games of cricket

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there are going on here, about 100, I'd imagine,

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and just looking round, I don't really want to get

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clocked by a ball but it's only a tennis ball, but I was just

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thinking if we were back in the UK, how many games would be allowed?

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Well, maybe two per field, so you'd probably get four games here.

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If you wanted five, you'd have to come back on Thursday.

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No wonder the Indians are so good at cricket.

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I need something a bit faster than that.

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I never was any good at it.

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Kipling, in his poem to Bombay, talks of the people here who traffic

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up and down but cling to the city's hem

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as a child to their mother's gown.

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Maybe people have always come here to the water's edge to get

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away from the dynamo of the city.

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And this is where lovers go to hold hands but never kiss.

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It's not allowed.

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I'm told by my guide Krishna that most young couples have nowhere

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to go in this very expensive, overpopulated city,

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except here to gaze out over the sea,

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away from the noise of clogged streets

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and their parents' tiny apartment.

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Here, they can talk about their dreams until the sun goes down

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and beyond, but they can't kiss - it's not allowed.

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Whilst on the subject of the love,

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this is what the people who come from here absolutely adore.

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It's called pav bhaji.

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It is, I'm told by Purva, my foodie guide,

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the quintessential Bombay dish.

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It's made with loads of butter, chopped onions -

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and the onions are always red in India,

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unless anyone knows better -

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then cumin seeds, mashed potatoes,

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loads of freshly chopped tomatoes and marrowfat peas.

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To me, the indulgence of eating a cracking pav bhaji

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is similar to a great hamburger.

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It's all about the combination, in this case, the vegetables,

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the freshly baked bread and loads of butter.

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Next, pav bhaji masala mix - chilli and coriander powder,

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salt and lots of chopped coriander.

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It smells lovely.

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It's a funny thing to say,

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but it's sort of like a very exotic bubble and squeak.

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The masala is the most crucial part,

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and as you can see, it's burning our eyes.

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So you can imagine how potent it is.

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But that's where all the flavour is.

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It seems to have an awful lot of butter in at the beginning.

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-A lot of butter.

-A lot of butter.

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I mean, there was like a pound, in old measurement, to start with!

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Precisely. Butter is indispensable to the dish. It's what lends it...

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It's greasy, that sort of fat taste, unapologetic.

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If you don't have butter, you can't have pav bhaji.

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You can't call it pav bhaji without the butter.

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Well, I can't wait to try it.

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It's dishes like this that are the most memorable.

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Well, if you come to Bombay and you don't eat pav bhaji,

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-you've missed out.

-Well, I haven't eaten it yet.

-You're about to.

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I'm glad you're doing this

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because this is quintessential Bombay street food.

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So what do we do now?

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-All right, you have to get your hands dirty, Rick.

-Fine.

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You break the bread and you scoop up the butter.

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Break a piece, or you can ladle it on there.

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-That's fine.

-What would you do? You do it.

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-I'll show you how it's done.

-This is so exciting.

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-We break a piece...

-Oh, I see.

-And we just scoop it up, butter and all.

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And voila!

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-Wow!

-What do you think?

0:21:520:21:54

This is...superb!

0:21:560:21:59

I mean, this is the sort of, like... Who cares about the diet?

0:22:020:22:06

-I'm going to have some fun!

-Precisely!

0:22:060:22:09

-Unbelievably lovely!

-You can taste the butter, can't you?

-Mmm!

0:22:110:22:15

It's all butter.

0:22:150:22:17

I got this dish, which is chicken with apricots, from Bombay,

0:22:210:22:24

Mumbai, whichever you prefer.

0:22:240:22:27

I went to the same restaurant twice, because it was that good,

0:22:270:22:29

and this is one of the dishes I had.

0:22:290:22:32

I asked the manager there where it came from and he said he thought

0:22:320:22:35

it was from Gujarat, but that originally it was a Parsi dish.

0:22:350:22:39

But, like so much in Bombay, there's 20 million-plus population there

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and most of them come from other parts of India.

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So, for me, it's a Bombay dish.

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So first I'm going to put into my hot chatti or karahi, some oil.

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And now I'm going to temper some spices.

0:22:530:22:56

And I really enjoy doing this now.

0:22:560:22:57

It's something I've learnt in India.

0:22:570:22:59

You put whole spices in hot oil

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and it just infuses the hot oil with the flavour of those spices.

0:23:010:23:06

First of all, some peppercorns and now some cloves,

0:23:060:23:10

some bruised cardamom, so that means the seeds are popping out.

0:23:100:23:14

A couple of chillies...

0:23:140:23:16

I should have taken the stalk off that one. It doesn't matter.

0:23:190:23:23

And now just break up a bit of cinnamon.

0:23:230:23:26

Stir those around for about 30 seconds. Lovely smell!

0:23:260:23:33

Now I'm just going to add some onions. Not a lot.

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And just brown those.

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So, there we go.

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Time now for some roughly chopped garlic and ginger.

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Just let that brown a little bit.

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I love the smell of garlic and ginger.

0:23:490:23:51

Right, that's browning quite nicely,

0:23:520:23:54

so now I'm going to add some tomatoes.

0:23:540:23:56

And the recipe says to cook it down until it's syrupy, so I'll

0:23:560:24:00

just let those tomatoes come down nicely,

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just giving off all their moisture.

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And now I'm going to add some salt.

0:24:070:24:10

Excuse me if I add a bit more than you think is healthy.

0:24:110:24:15

A teaspoon and a half. A generous teaspoon and a half.

0:24:150:24:20

And now to add my dry spices.

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First of all some turmeric, probably only half a teaspoon.

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And next, some chilli...

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Probably I'm getting a bit keen on my chilli.

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I think I'd have written this recipe was just one teaspoon before,

0:24:340:24:37

but now I've made it two.

0:24:370:24:39

Now some ground coriander, a teaspoon.

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And some ground cumin, a teaspoon.

0:24:420:24:45

And some garam masala. Let's say a teaspoon and a half.

0:24:460:24:50

I love my garam masala. Let's stir that around.

0:24:500:24:54

It's getting quite hot now.

0:24:540:24:56

I don't want those powdered spices to burn at all,

0:24:560:25:00

so I'm just going to add a little bit of water, just to take...

0:25:000:25:02

HE COUGHS

0:25:020:25:04

Sorry! Too much chilli!

0:25:040:25:06

There we go. That's very nice. And now I'm going to add the chicken.

0:25:070:25:11

Cook that a little bit, not brown it,

0:25:120:25:15

but just take the pink colour off it.

0:25:150:25:17

Now I'm putting jaggery in, which is very, very raw cane sugar.

0:25:180:25:24

Very nice. I just love eating it on its own. So in goes that.

0:25:240:25:29

But here are the dried apricots, lots of them.

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And that gives the dish a lovely sweetness,

0:25:330:25:37

contrasted with the next ingredient, which is vinegar.

0:25:370:25:42

Now, this is toddy vinegar, which is

0:25:420:25:44

actually made from the sap of the coconut flower.

0:25:440:25:48

You can use white wine vinegar, of course.

0:25:480:25:50

A couple of tablespoons of that.

0:25:520:25:54

So it's that sort of sweet and sourness

0:25:550:25:57

this is the real beguilingness of this dish.

0:25:570:26:01

And finally, we need to add, at this stage in the cooking,

0:26:010:26:06

some water, just to barely cover that.

0:26:060:26:10

Just stir that in. And that is now going to cook for about 30 minutes.

0:26:100:26:15

First covered, to really cook the chicken, and then, for

0:26:150:26:20

the last 5-10 minutes, I'll uncover it to reduce it a little bit.

0:26:200:26:24

I can't find my bleeding lid! Oh, there it is, where I left it.

0:26:260:26:30

See you later.

0:26:330:26:35

While that's bubbling away, I talked about chilli powder earlier,

0:26:450:26:49

so you've got to see this.

0:26:490:26:51

This, to me, sums up everything that's so ingenious about the Indians.

0:26:510:26:56

I call this the spice pistons. It sounds like a band!

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If you get your spice ground in a large factory,

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they are doing hundreds and hundreds of kilos at a time.

0:27:070:27:11

They grind it really fast and it gets hot and it starts to burn

0:27:110:27:15

and that actually burns off part of the flavour.

0:27:150:27:18

The real joy of this machine is it stays cool

0:27:180:27:21

and you get all the fragrance of the chilli.

0:27:210:27:24

Thank you very much!

0:27:290:27:31

Well, that's what two kilos of whole chillies looks like as powder.

0:27:310:27:35

Smells... Smells absolutely fruity and fragrant.

0:27:350:27:41

And it tastes... I mean, don't use spice powder.

0:27:450:27:50

Try and grind your own. Even if you're using a coffee grinder,

0:27:500:27:53

you'll get something like this taste. There is so much more to it.

0:27:530:27:57

I would actually say that one of the main things

0:27:570:28:01

I'm learning in India is go for fresh spices all the time.

0:28:010:28:05

It's just transforms every curry you're ever going to make.

0:28:050:28:09

So, after 30 minutes or so, that's perfect.

0:28:130:28:16

The right consistency - rich and velvety.

0:28:160:28:19

And notice I'm leaving the whole spices in.

0:28:190:28:22

That's what they do here, as well as leave the chicken on the bone.

0:28:220:28:25

More flavour, they say.

0:28:250:28:27

That looks so nice. Lovely colour, this one.

0:28:280:28:31

I'm just going to sprinkle on this some coriander.

0:28:330:28:35

But now these chips, which is quite unusual in India, but it's so nice.

0:28:350:28:41

Just put them on the top like that, and when you eat your curry

0:28:410:28:44

and you got these crisp, crunchy matchstick potatoes - fab!

0:28:440:28:48

So, we're going to your favourite restaurant?

0:28:570:29:00

This is my new friend, Krishna,

0:29:000:29:02

who is also our translator and guide.

0:29:020:29:04

-Yeah, like this. Like that.

-OK, right.

0:29:070:29:11

And he assures me

0:29:110:29:12

that feeding the cow will bring me an abundance of good luck.

0:29:120:29:15

Ah, got the tongue. That's good luck!

0:29:170:29:20

We're going to his favourite restaurant in the whole of Bombay.

0:29:200:29:24

I don't think it's even got a name,

0:29:240:29:25

but the food is supposed to be really good.

0:29:250:29:28

-Are you feeling nice, Rick?

-Feeling wonderful!

0:29:280:29:31

Well, this is just a little bit frustrating.

0:29:360:29:39

No disrespect to Krishna, because we asked him where his favourite

0:29:390:29:43

restaurant was in all of Bombay, and he's chosen this tiny restaurant.

0:29:430:29:48

So small, that only the cameraman can get in.

0:29:480:29:51

Basically, I've asked for fish masala

0:29:510:29:53

and, as far as I can work out, they've taken a whole lot of spices,

0:29:530:29:58

whole chilli, coriander, cumin, coconut, and dry-fried them,

0:29:580:30:03

then ground them, then put that in a pan with water

0:30:030:30:07

and then they've added wet ingredients - ginger, garlic,

0:30:070:30:11

tamarind, tomatoes and lots of green chillies,

0:30:110:30:15

and boiled that together, and now they are ready to put

0:30:150:30:18

the fish in, which I think is going to be shark.

0:30:180:30:21

He says it's just the best, and I don't doubt it.

0:30:250:30:29

But I'm slightly irritated with David, the director,

0:30:290:30:31

because he likes making things difficult for me.

0:30:310:30:35

I feel a bit like Keith Floyd in a way.

0:30:350:30:38

Remember those programmes where he used to complain about

0:30:380:30:41

the director making him go up in balloons and all this sort of thing? Same guy.

0:30:410:30:45

The portions are not what I'd call gargantuan.

0:30:460:30:49

It's mostly rice flavoured with this spicy, hot tamarind sauce

0:30:490:30:53

and just the merest amount of fish. Well, that's how it is here.

0:30:530:30:58

-What do you think about it? You got...

-Tamarind seed!

0:30:580:31:01

Tamarind seed, yeah.

0:31:010:31:02

It's lovely!

0:31:040:31:05

I mean, it's incredibly economical, for a start,

0:31:050:31:08

because you've got not a lot of fish, but you don't need it.

0:31:080:31:11

Lots of rice, and the masala is exquisite, it tastes really fresh.

0:31:110:31:17

I'm sorry I'm so bad at eating with my fingers,

0:31:170:31:19

but it's just devilish difficult to get used to.

0:31:190:31:21

-I know, you have to learn.

-Could you pass me a napkin?

0:31:210:31:24

I just want to have some of that rice.

0:31:240:31:27

Special napkin, designed for the canteen.

0:31:270:31:33

-You finished?

-No, no, no. My hands get so dirty.

0:31:330:31:36

I just want to try some of this, which is rice water?

0:31:360:31:39

Rice water, yeah. They don't give you water, they give you rice water.

0:31:390:31:43

-It's very nice.

-You have all the energy of the rice here.

0:31:430:31:46

You don't miss it. Like, another four, five hours, you know?

0:31:460:31:51

I always feel it when you burp, you know?

0:31:510:31:54

That rice flavour comes out and it is so nice. I really enjoy this.

0:31:540:31:59

This is how my mum cooks at home.

0:31:590:32:01

So if somebody asks me, "Which is your favourite food?"

0:32:030:32:06

I say, "The fish curry which my mum cooks."

0:32:060:32:10

So, for me, this is kind of my home.

0:32:100:32:13

I think that's really what eating out is all about.

0:32:130:32:18

I suddenly realised this is why I've never really run

0:32:180:32:21

a Michelin-starred restaurant myself,

0:32:210:32:23

because I can't stand all that, you know - we call it ... really -

0:32:230:32:27

all that over-the-topness.

0:32:270:32:29

-All I really want...

-Yeah.

0:32:290:32:32

The director is now going to say, "What about your prices, Rick?"

0:32:330:32:37

Yeah!

0:32:390:32:42

When I knew I was coming to Bombay,

0:32:520:32:54

I naturally wanted to visit the slums.

0:32:540:32:56

The vast, sprawling,

0:32:560:32:58

corrugated shantytown I'd seen in Slumdog Millionaire.

0:32:580:33:01

And I'm not alone, because many visitors, holidaymakers

0:33:070:33:10

and businesspeople, make a beeline here.

0:33:100:33:14

Not out of any morbid curiosity,

0:33:140:33:16

more as a genuine interest in how so many people get along,

0:33:160:33:20

run a business, raise a family and educate their kids.

0:33:200:33:25

It's a marvel.

0:33:250:33:27

-So, yeah, a lot of industry is happening here.

-Really?

0:33:390:33:43

-Recycling, you know...

-Because it looks a bit shocking.

0:33:430:33:46

That's true, but I'll show you something.

0:33:460:33:49

Good Lord! Unbelievable! That...

0:33:500:33:54

-I mean, the contrast! What are they doing?

-That's embroidery.

0:33:560:33:59

-They make the logos?

-T-shirts?

-Yeah, they can be anything.

0:33:590:34:03

If you want, you can make your own logo.

0:34:030:34:05

So really, it's a question of attitude.

0:34:050:34:08

You can either say this is a frightful slum...or it's...

0:34:080:34:13

you know, it's testimony to people's ingenuity

0:34:130:34:16

-to do things...

-Yeah, yeah.

0:34:160:34:18

For me, it's kind of possibilities.

0:34:180:34:21

It's a shame in a way that it's called a slum, isn't it?

0:34:210:34:24

-Maybe it's because there's not any other name.

-Yeah!

-To say.

0:34:240:34:27

So a lot of work going on here, a lot of people live here,

0:34:340:34:37

a lot of migrant community.

0:34:370:34:39

-Just have a look here, all making something.

-Some cooking.

-Please come.

0:34:390:34:43

-Excuse me.

-Please come see.

-I feel a bit like we're imposing.

0:34:450:34:49

-That is beautiful!

-That's chapatti. You can see, no oil.

0:34:490:34:52

-It's healthy!

-Does he mind me touching it?

-No, no, it's OK.

0:34:520:34:57

-I'll buy it off him anyway.

-If you want you can eat it.

-I'd love to eat it.

0:34:570:35:00

-We believe in sharing the food, so...

-The best chapatti I've ever eaten!

0:35:020:35:08

-He's asking, do you want some vegetables?

-I'd love some vegetables.

0:35:080:35:12

What's he got in there then?

0:35:120:35:14

Green chilli, salt. You like it?

0:35:140:35:17

-I love it!

-Finish it, eat.

-I will!

-You taste it.

-Really good!

0:35:170:35:23

All it was was courgettes, green chillies, onions, garlic and salt.

0:35:240:35:30

It felt strange walking down these alleyways

0:35:300:35:32

because I never knew what was behind each door we passed.

0:35:320:35:36

Krishna wanted me to see

0:35:360:35:37

a blast furnace right in the middle of this township.

0:35:370:35:41

Imagine you're a health and safety officer - where would you start?

0:35:410:35:46

You see they're melting the aluminium there.

0:35:460:35:48

-It can't be very healthy for them.

-That's true.

0:35:480:35:50

You can see the working conditions, right?

0:35:500:35:52

It's a small place and they don't even wear proper gloves and masks.

0:35:520:35:57

But if you tell them, "Why can't you wear gloves and a mask?"

0:35:570:36:01

They say, "It's hot, and we don't want it. It's OK, no problem."

0:36:010:36:05

It's kind of... They are very proud of their work.

0:36:050:36:08

Just as well! Can we get out of here? I'm beginning to choke.

0:36:080:36:12

Krishna tells me that people like lawyers and doctors live here

0:36:150:36:18

because they choose to.

0:36:180:36:20

Bombay is so expensive

0:36:200:36:22

and the alternative is to move miles away and commute.

0:36:220:36:26

So they prefer to stay here in the centre of things.

0:36:260:36:29

Noticing, walking around,

0:36:300:36:32

and of course lots of other people have said this - you can think of a

0:36:320:36:36

slum as being depressing or you can think of it as being ingenious...

0:36:360:36:41

Once you're inside, you see it is really organised.

0:36:410:36:45

But if you see the...the... infrastructure, it is really poor.

0:36:450:36:52

For example, there are open drainages,

0:36:520:36:54

electricity wires hanging everywhere, the working condition is poor.

0:36:540:36:58

But despite of that, you see the sense of community, huge,

0:36:580:37:02

and that people are doing something,

0:37:020:37:03

there's some kind of positive stuff happening.

0:37:030:37:06

One of my literary heroes,

0:37:110:37:13

who incidentally was born in Bombay, is Rudyard Kipling.

0:37:130:37:17

If this slum had been in existence in his time,

0:37:170:37:19

I know he would have come here

0:37:190:37:21

because he said in this piece about Bombay, "The smell of oil

0:37:210:37:25

"and spices and puffs of incense and sweat and darkness and dirt

0:37:250:37:31

"and lust and cruelty.

0:37:310:37:34

"But above all, things wonderful and fascinatingly innumerable."

0:37:340:37:39

There are certain places you go to that you're not absolutely sure

0:38:010:38:04

where you are.

0:38:040:38:05

Well, I know I'm in India,

0:38:050:38:07

but I feel I've been transported somewhere,

0:38:070:38:10

maybe on the French Riviera.

0:38:100:38:12

And I'm warming to the idea of a nice cold glass of rose

0:38:120:38:16

and maybe a bouillabaisse.

0:38:160:38:19

MUSIC: "La Marseillaise" by Claude Joseph Rouget de Lisle

0:38:220:38:26

This is the town of Pondicherry,

0:38:370:38:40

three hours' drive along the East Coast Road south of Madras,

0:38:400:38:44

now known as Chennai.

0:38:440:38:45

It used to be the jewel in France's Indian crown.

0:38:450:38:49

The churches twinkle in the sunshine.

0:38:500:38:53

They look as though they were freshly built, almost edible.

0:38:530:38:57

The roads are wide

0:38:570:38:58

and the street signs acknowledge three centuries of French rule.

0:38:580:39:02

This little corner on the romantic Coromandel Coast will for ever be

0:39:040:39:09

La Belle France.

0:39:090:39:10

The language remains

0:39:170:39:18

and so do the smart kepis worn by the local policemen.

0:39:180:39:22

And so does the patisserie.

0:39:220:39:24

'This could be anywhere in France and, tradition aside,

0:39:270:39:30

'it's such a great idea.

0:39:300:39:32

'All these tourists that come here from Europe

0:39:320:39:34

'dreaming of coffee, freshly-baked bread and apricot jam,

0:39:340:39:38

'they can't go wrong.'

0:39:380:39:40

Historically, France's grip on the subcontinent

0:39:410:39:44

wasn't so assured as the British.

0:39:440:39:46

It quite simply came down to British sea power.

0:39:470:39:51

Britain had the bigger navy, the stronger navy, and took over India.

0:39:510:39:56

Otherwise, I suspect places like Kolkata and Mumbai would have French architecture -

0:39:560:40:01

wide boulevards, lovely, graceful, white buildings...

0:40:010:40:05

Not so austere as the British ones.

0:40:050:40:07

And, of course, I'd be sitting having a coffee and a croissant anywhere

0:40:070:40:11

and probably looking forward to steak frites

0:40:110:40:15

and a glass of red wine for dinner.

0:40:150:40:17

They can't make enough baguettes here and they're authentic.

0:40:190:40:24

The name Baker Street reeks of French humour, it's very obvious.

0:40:240:40:28

The manager is Ezhilmathi.

0:40:280:40:31

I had your baguettes for my breakfast this morning

0:40:310:40:35

and I could have been back in Paris. They were that good.

0:40:350:40:38

We try to make it, each and every time,

0:40:380:40:41

exactly proper French baguettes.

0:40:410:40:44

So you've lived in France, then?

0:40:440:40:46

-I lived, I've been 25 years in France.

-25 years?

0:40:460:40:50

Ten years in production, 15 years in sales.

0:40:500:40:54

-Your cafe downstairs is filled with French people.

-Yeah.

0:40:540:40:58

-But do Indians like this bread too?

-Surely, surely.

0:40:580:41:01

There are now, each and every time, there are lot of French...Indian people

0:41:010:41:06

from Bangalore and...Chennai, many local people, Pondicherry people,

0:41:060:41:12

when they try these baguettes and now, many Indian people,

0:41:120:41:15

they love our French baguettes.

0:41:150:41:18

'I wanted to taste a fusion of French and Tamil cuisine.

0:41:270:41:31

'They call it Creole here.'

0:41:310:41:32

A friend of mine suggested this place -

0:41:390:41:41

quite a posh hotel that prides itself in this fusion of taste.

0:41:410:41:46

And so, the speciality on the menu du jour is...

0:41:480:41:52

BOTH: Sauteed lemon pickle prawn.

0:41:520:41:55

Aran and Ashok - Ashok's the one in the chef's whites -

0:41:550:41:58

show me how it's done.

0:41:580:42:00

After sauteing ginger, garlic and shallots,

0:42:000:42:04

they add some sliced courgettes.

0:42:040:42:07

And then, some plumptious prawns,

0:42:070:42:11

which I imagine came off the fishing boat

0:42:110:42:13

only hours ago on a beach nearby.

0:42:130:42:15

Next, a pinch of pickled lemons,

0:42:160:42:20

an influence that spreads all the way form North Africa,

0:42:200:42:23

where the French dominated.

0:42:230:42:25

And then, some garam masala.

0:42:250:42:28

And now, the dried, almost Provencal herbs - rosemary and thyme.

0:42:300:42:36

Finished off with fresh basil, coriander and some seasoning.

0:42:360:42:40

This looks really good. I mean, I can see the French ingredients.

0:42:400:42:44

There you got the thyme and the rosemary and the olive oil.

0:42:440:42:46

-Yes, sir.

-But then, you put garam masala in as well, which is...

0:42:460:42:50

Because this is supposed to be Creole cuisine.

0:42:500:42:53

But Creole, you know, Pondicherry Creole,

0:42:530:42:56

which means when the French came to India,

0:42:560:42:58

they brought their own ingredients, but it did not last for long.

0:42:580:43:02

As a result, they started using our ingredients also.

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But this is still recognisably a French sort of dish,

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albeit with local flavours.

0:43:090:43:11

-Yes, that's right, sir.

-Perfect fusion.

-Yes, sir.

0:43:110:43:13

-I'm very keen to try these shallots.

-Please.

0:43:160:43:19

-I mean, I can taste the olive oil.

-Yes.

0:43:200:43:23

-And taste the garam masala.

-Yes.

0:43:230:43:24

-It's a very nice dish.

-It's a real fusion, actually.

-It really is.

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I think it's fair to say that Gandhi's peaceful mission

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to boycott all things British in the early 1900s

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would have gone down extremely well with the French in Pondicherry.

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Maybe that's why the people here erected this massive statue in his honour.

0:43:450:43:51

Gandhi actually came

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from an upper-middle class family in Gujarat,

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he was an intellectual.

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And before his famous passive resistance,

0:43:580:44:00

where he inspired the independence movement,

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he actually went to the UK to study law

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and, as a strict vegetarian,

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couldn't really find anything to eat.

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Apart from what he had at his landlady's,

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which was boiled cabbage, potatoes, bread, cake and jam and cups of tea.

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He did finally discover

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that he could cook, from Indian shops in London, for himself, vegetarian food,

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but the only British dish he really liked was porridge.

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There was a time when even HE had his doubts about vegetarianism,

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simply because all of India's powerful invaders,

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the Moguls, the Portuguese, the Arabs

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and, of course, the British,

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all ate lots of meat.

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So, therefore, the young Mahatma thought, "Hang on a tick,

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"if all the Indians could eat meat,

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"they'd be strong enough to kick the British out!"

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Apparently, he tried a bit of roast goat

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and found it a dreadful experience and never again to be repeated.

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All thoughts in that area were soon forgotten.

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In honour of Gandhi's passion for all things veggie,

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back at my house on the edge of the lagoon,

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I'm going to cook my favourite vegetable curry,

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a curry I could eat for breakfast every day.

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I'm now going to make aloo dum, or, in this case, actually,

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I'm going to call it aloo mattar,

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because it contains peas as well as potatoes.

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But aloo dum is probably the most common vegetable dish

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all over India.

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You get it everywhere

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and I think it's a bit like chips with everything,

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you have aloo dum with everything.

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So, first of all, I saute some parboiled potatoes in mustard oil.

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You don't need any longer than five minutes.

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Then, a sprinkle of turmeric to give it a nice, golden glow.

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Stir that in and put to one side.

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Add a bit more oil, mustard oil,

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and now, some Indian bay leaves,

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just not worth using European bay leaves.

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If you haven't got these, don't bother about it.

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I often think they've got a slight flavour of cinnamon,

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so if you haven't got them,

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it might be an idea just to put an inch or so of cinnamon in here.

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Just a tiny bit of asafoetida,

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which is very pungent,

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but, as the Indians say, if it's not there, you notice it.

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And to complement the asafoetida and enhance the dish even further,

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I add freshly-made paste of onion, garlic and ginger.

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And now, some powders.

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Now, I say powders, but I have actually ground these up.

0:46:410:46:45

Well, not me, I got them done, actually, it wasn't actually me.

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Teaspoon of chilli powder.

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A teaspoon of coriander

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and a teaspoon of cumin powdered.

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And now, quite an unusual ingredient,

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which is called amchoor,

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which is actually dried mango.

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And not too much, about half a teaspoon, it's very concentrated.

0:47:070:47:11

So now, a little bit more turmeric.

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And then, some salt.

0:47:170:47:19

Now, quite a lot of tomato.

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I've just bought tomatoes and whizzed them up in a food processor.

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They're so good here that you don't really need to buy tinned tomatoes.

0:47:240:47:27

You probably couldn't buy them anyway.

0:47:270:47:30

Next, some sliced green chillies.

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I like a bit of heat in my food, so I've kept the seeds in.

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And I splash more water to keep it moist.

0:47:350:47:39

And now, the potatoes.

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That is looking so nice

0:47:440:47:46

and may I suggest that next time you go down to your local Indian,

0:47:460:47:50

if you don't do this already,

0:47:500:47:52

make sure you order aloo dum,

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which is just the potatoes,

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or aloo mattar, which is with the peas.

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You'll be so glad you did.

0:47:580:47:59

And finally, I'm going to put in some garam masala. About a teaspoon.

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Very often in Indian dishes you end the dish with some garam masala.

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But you might start it with garam masala as well.

0:48:130:48:16

But the point of it going in at the end is it just gives all that spiciness a real lift.

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Finish off with a sprinkle of freshly chopped coriander.

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And by the way, that amchoor gives it a real sour zest.

0:48:260:48:31

There it is. What do you think of that?

0:48:310:48:35

I met up with a cookery writer, Lourdes Louis,

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who comes from an eclectic family of Tamil, French and Vietnamese.

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To her, Pondicherry is a place like no other.

0:48:480:48:51

So what would it have been like here in the colonial times, in the '40s, '50s?

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We had a lot of French people, European French, living here.

0:48:570:49:01

And, of course, the local Pondicherrians, who had French nationality.

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And we had also the schooling in French.

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-Wow!

-And many in Pondicherry, many Pondicherrians, speak French at home.

0:49:080:49:14

-Really?

-French is like our mother tongue.

0:49:140:49:16

Lourdes lives on the outskirts of the French Quarter.

0:49:200:49:23

And she's offered to cook me

0:49:230:49:24

a typical dish from Pondicherry, chicken vindaye.

0:49:240:49:27

She starts off with oil.

0:49:310:49:33

And it's sunflower oil she's using. Then a bay leaf.

0:49:330:49:37

They do taste different, these Indian bay leaves.

0:49:370:49:40

Cinnamon, the merest hint.

0:49:400:49:43

Just one clove, and a little bit of star anise.

0:49:430:49:48

Next, onion.

0:49:480:49:50

-So you're starting with some whole spices?

-Yes.

0:49:540:49:57

The whole spices - don't pound, powder them. Leave it as such.

0:49:570:50:02

And I notice you've got star anise in there,

0:50:020:50:05

which is quite rare in India, isn't it?

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But in Pondicherry cuisine, we have a lot of star anise.

0:50:070:50:12

But very little because of its medicinal value. You know?

0:50:120:50:15

We value a lot, the balance of the food, not only for the taste,

0:50:150:50:20

but also for the medicinal value.

0:50:200:50:23

And most of the food we cook is based on ayurveda.

0:50:230:50:26

Ayurveda is, er... Ayur is life, veda is science. Science of life.

0:50:270:50:32

And we believe very much that we are what we eat, which is true.

0:50:320:50:37

-You are a chef. You know it very well.

-Yes, yeah.

-Try.

0:50:370:50:40

Mind, mind, it's very hot.

0:50:410:50:44

That's beautiful. There's a really sort of plumptiousness,

0:50:440:50:48

to use English, about it. And it's sweet, thoroughly cooked.

0:50:480:50:52

And I can even - you only put a tiny bit of star anise in there, but I can taste it.

0:50:520:50:56

-You can taste it. Very subtle. Very, very subtle.

-Lovely.

0:50:560:50:59

-And it's not overpowering.

-No.

0:50:590:51:01

This is garlic with cumin and a vee bit of fenugreek.

0:51:010:51:07

-A vee bit?

-A little bit.

-A vee bit, I see!

0:51:070:51:11

I love the word vee bit. I really like that word.

0:51:110:51:13

-I shall use it from now on. It just means a little pinch.

-Yes.

-Good.

0:51:130:51:18

Chilli powder. Turmeric powder.

0:51:220:51:27

Stir it a bit. Be very careful not to burn the spices.

0:51:270:51:31

And now the tomato.

0:51:310:51:34

Now we have to cover it and allow the tomato to cook.

0:51:370:51:41

You know why we use the spices, it's just to, you know,

0:51:410:51:44

we believe in India that the meat, or fish, have a kind of smell.

0:51:440:51:49

It disturbs the palate that is being used to vegetarian food.

0:51:490:51:54

Really? So is there a word for that?

0:51:540:51:58

We call in the south, cauchee. Smelly.

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The meat smell and the fish smell.

0:52:020:52:05

In the same way the Chinese put ginger with fish, I think.

0:52:050:52:08

Exactly. Exactly.

0:52:080:52:10

Once the tomatoes have cooked right down,

0:52:100:52:12

Lourdes adds the chicken pieces and white wine vinegar,

0:52:120:52:16

the ingredient that gives this dish its name, vindaye.

0:52:160:52:22

This dish is called vindaye.

0:52:220:52:24

It's a deformation of the French dish, vin d'ail.

0:52:240:52:28

They have stuck it together, called it vindaye.

0:52:280:52:31

-So, this is unique to Pondicherry, is it?

-Very typical.

0:52:310:52:35

-Nowhere else you'll get it.

-Actually, I do remember in Goa, vindaloo.

0:52:350:52:40

Mm. Nothing to do with this. Nothing to do with this.

0:52:400:52:43

-Vindaloo is nothing to do with this.

-Yeah, but they do use vinegar there.

0:52:430:52:47

They do use vinegar, but not white vinegar.

0:52:470:52:49

They use a kind of vinegar

0:52:490:52:52

made out of the cashew nut fruit. And...sorry.

0:52:520:52:56

-You don't like it?

-No. Sorry. The smell is very yucky.

0:52:560:53:00

-It spoils the curry, in fact.

-Fine.

0:53:000:53:03

I bet if I went to Goa and said, "Do you know they use vinegar

0:53:030:53:06

-"over in Pondicherry..."

-Tell them, tell them.

0:53:060:53:08

It's different vinegar, different taste, you know? Now we'll taste.

0:53:080:53:11

Tell me, Craig. Taste and tell me.

0:53:110:53:13

I'll give you a different spoon, sorry.

0:53:130:53:16

It's Rick.

0:53:160:53:18

'After about 15 minutes, the dish is ready to serve.

0:53:180:53:22

'I must say, it smells really good,

0:53:220:53:24

'and I'm rather looking forward to tasting it.'

0:53:240:53:27

Bon appetit, Rick.

0:53:280:53:30

Merci!

0:53:300:53:32

-That's very nice.

-Like it?

-Mmm.

-Not too hot for you?

-No, not too hot.

0:53:360:53:42

-It's very...

-Subtle?

-Subtle, yeah. Mild.

-Yes.

-I love the tomato in it.

0:53:420:53:49

Personally, of course, I love the vinegar in it,

0:53:490:53:52

because I like that sort of tartness in it, tanginess.

0:53:520:53:54

Using curry in the generic sense of being Indian food generally, I'm

0:53:540:53:58

looking for my top ten, and I think this might well be in that top ten.

0:53:580:54:03

Thank you, thank you.

0:54:030:54:04

'Talking of top dishes, I have to tell you about this place.

0:54:100:54:14

'Actually, I stopped here on my way down to Pondicherry from Chennai.

0:54:140:54:18

'I was told about an ancient 8th century

0:54:180:54:21

'temple in the town of Mamallapuram.

0:54:210:54:24

'But always being a bit peckish,

0:54:240:54:25

'I headed straight to the little restaurants on the beach instead.'

0:54:250:54:29

'It's funny, but when I see a sign like this roughly

0:54:320:54:36

'stencilled on a wall in such delightful Indian colours,

0:54:360:54:40

'I just know that the food is going to be really good.'

0:54:400:54:43

'And if you're in Southern India,

0:54:440:54:46

'then fish curry should be the top of your list.

0:54:460:54:50

'The folks here at the Seashore Garden restaurant make,

0:54:500:54:53

'I think, one of the very best.'

0:54:530:54:55

'The ingredients are fresh as can be, and the cooking time is minimal.

0:54:560:55:01

'What seems like an enormous amount of chilli powder is fried

0:55:010:55:05

'with shallots, green chillies, curry leaves and garlic.

0:55:050:55:09

'And here's the star ingredient, a beautiful snapper,

0:55:120:55:16

'firm and absolutely fresh,

0:55:160:55:18

'caught just a few miles off this very beach on the Coromandel Coast.

0:55:180:55:24

'To finish the masala sauce, in goes the tomato paste,

0:55:240:55:28

'and what makes this curry undeniably South Indian - tamarind.

0:55:280:55:33

'A few more whole green chillies for added heat and it's time,

0:55:330:55:37

'time to taste.'

0:55:370:55:39

Like this.

0:55:400:55:42

Like this. Yeah.

0:55:420:55:44

Just watching him put some of the sauce on his hand then tasting it.

0:55:460:55:52

It's cos the Hindus just will not taste anything.

0:55:520:55:56

It's all about hygiene.

0:55:560:55:58

You put a spoon in something and you taste it, it's unhygienic.

0:55:580:56:03

-Am I right?

-Yes.

-I'm right.

0:56:030:56:05

I actually tried, when I was back in the UK, one of these what

0:56:090:56:13

I like to call Madras fish curries, rather than Chennai fish curries.

0:56:130:56:16

It was made exactly like that.

0:56:160:56:19

Seriously, it's a very good fish curry.

0:56:190:56:21

It's the best fish curry I've ever tasted.

0:56:210:56:23

Want to get it back home in the restaurant,

0:56:230:56:26

and I know it's going to be superb.

0:56:260:56:29

'This, to me, is a seafood chef's nirvana,

0:56:330:56:37

'sitting feet away from the water's edge in balmy sunshine

0:56:370:56:41

'enjoying a mind-blowing fish curry cooked in hardly any time at all.

0:56:410:56:47

'This place is a great find, and life can't possibly get any better.

0:56:470:56:52

'Can it?'

0:56:520:56:53

That is just simply perfect.

0:56:560:56:59

I mean, the fish is so fresh, you can taste the sea.

0:56:590:57:02

You know, when it's dead fresh fish like that, oh, heaven.

0:57:020:57:05

And the tamarind just gives it such a zest, and the curry leaves,

0:57:060:57:10

and of course, the green chillies in it. It is superb.

0:57:100:57:13

-So, would you put that on your list of best curries?

-Would I?

0:57:130:57:17

I mean, seriously, for me, and I think I'm a bit biased,

0:57:170:57:20

I have to say, but fish curry like this...

0:57:200:57:24

..could be the one. I know.

0:57:270:57:30

I've got to be thinking of this cos some of those chicken

0:57:300:57:33

ones are really good. We haven't had any beef ones yet.

0:57:330:57:36

We've got to go to Kerala where there's lots of Christians

0:57:360:57:38

that have beef, and the goat, the mutton curry's fantastic.

0:57:380:57:42

But fish, a big piece of snapper like this, oh! Heaven.

0:57:420:57:46

'I know there are other curries out there that maybe could

0:57:510:57:54

'possibly eclipse that moment,

0:57:540:57:56

'but what a joy of a journey to find out if that's true.'

0:57:560:58:02

BUS HORN HONKS

0:58:020:58:03

We've been travelling now for three weeks,

0:58:060:58:08

and I have to find the perfect curry.

0:58:080:58:11

The crew are trying to tempt me with things like egg and chips, pork

0:58:110:58:15

chops, green beans, roast beef, all those things that remind me of home,

0:58:150:58:20

but no, I shall continue in this quest to find the perfect curry.

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