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Good morning.

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We're taking a culinary trip around the world today, with dishes

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from Korea, Thailand, and Italy all set to make your taste buds tingle.

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So forget about the hoovering, grab yourself a cuppa,

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and enjoy another helping of Saturday Kitchen Best Bites.

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Welcome to the show. Now, over the next hour and a half,

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we'll be bringing you the best moments from the Saturday Kitchen

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archives, featuring your favourite chefs, celebrity guests,

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and a whole host of tasty treats.

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Coming up, James Martin serves up Thai green curry

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with seared scallops for actor Kris Marshall.

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Matt Gillan is here with an unusual mix of sweet and savoury.

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He serves pan-fried salmon with a crab fregola,

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topped with sour cherry and puffed rice granola and lemon curd.

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And then it's over to Gennaro Contaldo,

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who's causing quite a storm in the kitchen, as usual.

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He wraps fillets of sole in prosciutto,

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stuffed with garlic and capers before roasting,

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and serving with boiled potatoes and a bayleaf sauce.

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Kenny Atkinson takes on Shaun Rankin

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in the Saturday Kitchen Omelette Challenge.

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Judy Joo is here with fried chicken Korean style.

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She deep fries chicken drumsticks in a spicy vodka batter,

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and serves alongside two delicious dipping sauces and pickled radishes.

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And finally, Al Murray faces his food heaven or his food hell.

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Will he be getting food heaven, warm treacle tart with soft whipped

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cream, or his food hell, baked rice pudding with raspberry sauce?

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Two tasty desserts, but which one did he get? You're going to have to

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keep watching till the end of the show to find out.

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But first up, our favourite Brummie, Glynn Purnell,

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is here to kick-start your day with breakfast.

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Now we've got breakfast on the menu, or rather, deconstructed breakfast.

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Morning, James, how are you? Have you missed me?

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Anyway, moving on!

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-I'll take that as a yes.

-I have, yeah, go on.

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Not in that way, mind, but, yeah, go on.

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First up for you, we're going to do the poached duck egg yolk.

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We're going to be using duck egg yolk,

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-nice and rich and sort of glossy, so we're going to do that.

-OK.

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-If you want to...

-The black pudding.

-Yeah.

-So you dry this out, do you?

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Yeah, so basically... Cos this one, this is an Irish one.

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I can never pronounce it. Col...? Colcanny? Col...?

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Don't look at me, I'm a Yorkshireman!

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-So this has got less fat...

-Between me and a Brummie, we've got no idea!

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Can we have subtitles on the bottom?

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Basically, it's got less fat in it, and there's more sort of,

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like, barley and sort of slightly more meaty.

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So basically, I dry it through the oven and make a crumble out of it,

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so there's more of the texture

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-as well as the flavour of black pudding.

-Right.

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So we've got this. So you basically just peel this and then dry it out.

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It doesn't take very long to dry out in the oven, no?

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No, just crumble it down with your fingers once it comes out the oven.

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You don't have to do very much when it comes out.

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And I'm making a smoked bacon...

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-Yeah.

-..and cauliflower puree.

-Right.

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-To go underneath it.

-Now, congratulations, first of all,

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because everybody seems to be talking about Michelin.

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-Michelin's everywhere at the moment.

-Yeah.

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The reason being the guide's just been announced.

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Yes, it has, and it was the 100th...

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It was the centenary, so we got treated to a little

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-glass of champagne last week at the Michelin house as well...

-Yeah.

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..which was great.

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And obviously, a few of the guys that have been on the show,

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like Nathan, rose from one to two, which is fantastic.

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Fantastic, well done, Nathan, yeah.

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And a few of the guys retained their stars and stuff, so it was good.

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-Good feel-good factor, and good for business as well, so...

-Exactly.

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Right, so we've got that, and then just pop that in the oven.

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Pop that in the oven for me, James.

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Low oven. There you go.

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So do you want me to take this one out that we've got in here?

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-Grab that.

-There we are.

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Now, I'm going to chop the...

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People who are just waking up - it's not cat litter!

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Do you know what?

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I come on here with the best intentions, can't wait to see

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me mate James, and then you just throw it at me, don't you? Eh?

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So, once the cat litter's dry...

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Do you want to make me a little bit of sage oil, please, James?

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Sage oil. I can do that, yeah.

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-So just a few sage leaves, and...

-Right.

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I use vegetable oil or rapeseed oil because it hasn't got, like...

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To make a flavoured oil, like sage or rosemary,

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I use a really sort of non-tasting oil, so the flavour comes out more.

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So if you used a really good olive oil,

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you'd be wasting the olive oil, really.

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I didn't want to upset you, Theo, when I started saying...

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Oh, he's over there!

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-I didn't see him behind that wooden door!

-Trying to blend in.

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Did you go shopping with Lucy at the same place?

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Lucky I haven't got MY fake tan on.

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It's the spray-on thing, that's what it is.

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It'll soon start dripping when he stands over this stove!

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Right, so, cauliflower in. Crack on with the sage oil there, Chef.

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-Yep.

-And then...

-So that's sage, bit of salt you want in there?

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Yes, please.

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And you want to use some veg oil for this, yeah?

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Yeah, little bit of veg oil or sunflower oil or rapeseed oil.

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Bit of veg oil there.

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-So, the...

-Not olive oil, that's the key to this.

-Not olive oil, no.

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-So we're going to make our puree.

-Yep.

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We've got the cauliflower, the bacon. We put that in milk.

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-Get that going.

-Right.

-And we're going to blend that afterwards.

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-Now, you put something else in here, which...

-Needs some.

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So once the cauliflower starts to break down,

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pour a little bit of bicarb in...

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-Right.

-..which makes it a smoother puree.

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So by putting the bicarb in, it attacks the cauliflower,

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and makes it instantly soft. So once it starts...

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That's going.

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But don't put this when you're doing boiled cauliflower...

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No, no, no, because it would just fall apart.

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So I'm using bicarb just to help it along.

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So do you have to chuck that out first before you put it in there?

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Start it off.

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-Once it starts boiling away, then we'll pour a little bit in.

-Yeah.

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So we pour that in.

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-About that much.

-OK. And is this baking powder, or bicarb?

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-Yep, bicarb.

-Bicarb, OK.

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-And then...

-Right, so we've got our oil.

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Got the oil, so we'll pass that off as well. We've got the...

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Got the black pudding. And once this starts going...

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And then, if you want, James, we need to do a little salad also,

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-of raw cauliflower.

-OK.

-To go with the...

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So that's the bicarb making it fizz like that?

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Yeah, making it fizz up like that.

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Now, for anybody that hasn't been to your restaurant, tell us about it.

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-Cos you've got two, haven't you?

-We've got two restaurants.

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-We've got one called Purnell's, named after myself.

-Yep.

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Not that I've got an ego problem or anything!

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And then I've got another one called The Asquith,

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which has been open since September.

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I've got a young team,

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and it was an idea to employ people that have worked for me before,

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and give them a chance to run an independent restaurant,

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because I think there's too many chain restaurants. And I think...

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-So I thought we'd have a go, and it's working really well.

-Good.

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So, I mean, I've got two restaurants,

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two children, one on the way as well,

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-so it's not just cooking I'm good at, James.

-Busy!

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So I've got Oliver and Esme, and I've got another on the way.

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And I've got two cats, a dog, a wife, which actually...

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I'm not asking for your life story!

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I was just being nice, I was! Do you know what I mean?

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Have you got any animals, James?

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Moving on... Right, anyway...

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So I'm busy at the minute, you can tell that.

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So this is breaking down. Pass the oil off, chef.

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It's off, it's there. So it's all in there ready.

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Keen commis. Just pop that over there.

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And then we'll start dropping the...

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What do you want doing with these florets?

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Er, mandoline's at the back. Do you want me to do that?

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Cos I know you're frightened of those.

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-The mandoline. Do you want me to do it?

-No, no, I'll do it.

-You sure?

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I'll do it, but I'll use a knife.

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I'll do it with the mandoline, and we'll see whose is thinner.

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It's when you do that, you hear a s...

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-Same.

-One second, one second!

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-Hello, James!

-The same!

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OK, so we need a little bowl for that.

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-And it saves on washing up.

-It does save on washing up.

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-Right, once we've done that...

-Yeah.

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-There you go.

-Right. Leave them there.

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-Put a few watercress leaves in that bowl for me.

-OK.

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I'll clean them down, I'll drop the egg yolks, and if you want to...

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Now, tell us about these egg yolks, then.

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-Leave that with me, you do the egg yolks.

-Right.

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The egg yolks, we're using duck eggs.

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See, my way, you don't get this much washing up, you see.

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-There you go, right.

-True.

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-Just clean down.

-Right.

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Can't work in these conditions, James.

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Where's my assistant?

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-Where's my commis?

-Just get the eggs in!

-I'm getting them in!

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-You do the puree!

-Right.

-Right, so...

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That's reading around about 80-odd degrees.

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You want it slightly cooler.

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And what we do is, normally,

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if you put your finger in, and count to about eight, nine,

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then you pull it out, that's when you know it's ready.

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I think it's better off to use a thermometer, really.

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Use a thermometer, really, yeah. I think you're right there.

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Normally they're a lot bigger than these, the duck eggs.

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OK. So duck eggs is, what, for size?

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Yeah, size, cos they use it as a starter.

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It's also just the flavour of them - they're lovely, and nice and rich.

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But these ones look like Orville gave birth to these, so...

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Do you remember Orville?

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I went to see a pantomime the other week, and he was on.

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LAUGHTER

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-So you're just doing the yolk?

-Just the yolk,

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cos I'm not a big fan of the whites, to be honest with you.

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-OK.

-So just the yolk, and you'll see...

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We'll drop another one in for luck.

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And they're just sitting in there.

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-Can you make those beforehand, or not? No?

-No, best thing to do...

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You can do them in slightly cooler water, and you can leave them, and

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they won't go. If they're about 68- 70 degrees, they'll sit for a while.

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Getting there, yeah.

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-You've got this here.

-Yep.

-This here is, erm...

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This here is basically, erm...

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..an artist's palette.

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I've started using these in the kitchen.

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Is that too thick, or does it need a little splash of water in there?

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-A little bit of water, probably.

-That's good. Here.

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-There you are.

-Bit of water, lovely.

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We've got our black pudding crumble.

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And this gets... You want this passing through a sieve, yeah?

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Yeah, just... Yeah. We only need two portions, Chef, so...

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And then we'll start to dress. Do you like black pudding, Jimi?

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I've never, ever had it before.

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-Really?

-Well, this is an interesting way to have it!

-Yeah!

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-Have you ever had parsed cauliflower before?

-Erm...

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No, it's new to me!

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Don't start whingeing, or else it'll be aubergine for you!

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-Do you know what I mean?

-Yeah!

-Goat's cheese, oh, that's worse.

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Right, you ready? That'll do, James.

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I think you've got enough there, Chef.

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-Yeah, OK?

-Lovely.

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-And then...

-There you go.

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It's lovely smooth, smoky cauliflower puree.

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You like this bit, James, don't you?

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-You always look forward to this bit, don't you?

-Yeah.

-So we just...

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Like that.

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That's Michelin star, you see?

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And then we drop the egg...

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-That's...

-Ah, you make it look like an egg!

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Yeah, so it looks like a fried egg, but it's not a fried egg.

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-Can I put the watercress on it?

-Not yet, Chef.

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What about the cauliflower?

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We need to season the yolk first, don't we?

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There you go.

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The reason that I'm helping you is that Football Focus is going

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to be on in a minute, if you don't hurry up!

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Do you think they'll talk about Birmingham City on there? Doubt it.

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Right, and so, black pudding crumble.

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-Can I put the watercress on?

-Go for it, Chef.

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Like service, this is. Service!

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-Is that it? Bit of watercress.

-Cauliflower.

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Cauliflower, watercress.

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-Cauliflower.

-Cauliflower.

-And then...

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I'll use my thin ones.

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Pick out the thin ones.

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-There you go.

-And then final flurry...

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A little bit more black pudding.

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So remind us what that is again.

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This is poached duck egg yolk, with cauliflower and bacon puree,

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black pudding crumble, and sage oil.

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Have a go at that!

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There you go. It looks pretty, but does it taste as good as it looks?

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-There you go, you get to dive into that one.

-Use your spoons.

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-Look at that!

-Dive into that.

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-I'll put that in the middle.

-Use your spoons.

-Dive in.

-Oh, yeah!

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-Use your spoon, so you can scoop it up.

-Yeah, the idea is...

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-I mean, the dressing is mainly the egg yolk.

-Yeah, basically, yeah.

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You do a lot of that.

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-You use egg yolks quite a lot, in a lot of dishes as well.

-Wow!

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Yeah, I use it on certain main course, like for instance,

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say, Theo's steak, I would poach the egg yolk in a little bit of

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white wine vinegar and tarragon,

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-and it almost tastes like a bearnaise on top of it.

-Right.

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So using the yolk as a sauce, cos it's so sticky and viscous, you see.

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It's perfect.

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-It's fantastic!

-Happy with that?

-Yeah, I'm very happy with that.

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-Never had anything like it.

-Guys?

-Really good.

-Everybody's happy.

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-The black pudding?

-It's great.

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-There you go.

-Really good.

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Certainly no Mistry that Jimi enjoyed Glynn Purnell's

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Michelin-starred breakfast there. Now, coming up,

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Kris Marshall enjoys Thai green curry with seared scallops,

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but first, it's over to Rick Stein,

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who's cooking his version of a beef madras.

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Remember this for a long, healthy life - rice, vegetables, and fish.

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I really think so.

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I'm going to a restaurant that specialises in Bengali cuisine.

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In fact, it was one of the first restaurants to specialise.

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It's called Kewpie's,

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and anyone who's been to Calcutta more than once will know about it.

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It's fairly upmarket,

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and the rui fish will be one of the top things on the menu.

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The owner is Rakhi Dasgupta.

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This is rui, and it's dressed like this

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when it goes from the girl's family to the groom's family.

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It's called bou bhat. She is going to cook for her in-laws.

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-So it's very symbolic, that she is a good cook.

-Good idea.

-Yeah.

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-Very important!

-Very good idea.

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So, Rakhi, I'm told that we start with turmeric.

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With all fish in Bengal, we normally put turmeric and salt.

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-It's like an antiseptic.

-Yes.

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And then I rub it nicely into the fish.

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-I'm going to now heat some oil in a pan.

-What sort of oil?

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It's mustard oil. Just a little.

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This is the heart of Bengali cuisine -

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making these mustard seeds into a paste with the chilli.

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And this is called a shil nora. It's like a mortar and pestle.

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Shil is the flat stone, nora is the roller.

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The process, just adding water, is very gentle,

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and eventually, you end up with this - a creamy, pungent paste.

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That's really interesting. It's like...

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I've never seen that, sort of frying a liquid before,

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-but presumably it'll thicken up now.

-Yeah.

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-And I return my fish.

-Well, that is fascinating.

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I've never seen a dish cooked like that before.

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Twice cooked like that.

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Wow!

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How do you like it?

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I like it well.

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It's very... It's got a lot of flavour.

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And the sauce - love the coriander in it,

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love the lemon, like the mustard.

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-Straight in the book!

-Absolutely.

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I thought I'd cook a curry similar in style and taste

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to the one my mother made all those years ago.

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That Anglo-Indian cooking is a bit sort of looked down on these days,

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but those curries were a great source of affection to me

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and lots of people, and of course, during the British Raj period,

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you couldn't go on a railway journey,

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or you couldn't go into an officers' mess,

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without getting a menu that contained dishes like this.

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But, as I said, I'm going to make my own.

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So I thought it had to be beef, and it had to have onions in it,

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but then I would make up my own Madras curry powder.

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So, first of all, I'm going to put some butter -

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ordinary butter - in a very hot pan.

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I'm browning this braising steak,

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which is how we start a stew back home,

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but not the way Indians would start a curry.

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They wouldn't bother browning the meat first.

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Just thinking how curry caught on back home in Britain.

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It took a while, because in the 18th century, stews were regarded as

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lower orders' dishes, and therefore a curry, which was seen as a stew,

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didn't really catch on till the 19th century.

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And there's a very, I think, quite amusing piece in Vanity Fair,

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where the infamous heroine, Becky Sharp,

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tries to ingratiate herself with an Anglo-Indian family

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by saying, "Yes, I like curry," and then it describes how

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she suffered the tortures of cayenne pepper.

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Of course, she knew nothing about curries,

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so they give her a chilli to cool her down,

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and because it's called a chilli, she thinks it's a cooling vegetable,

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which, of course, it's not.

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Well, there was much laughter around the table at poor Becky's expense.

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And let's face it, we've all done it in Indian restaurants -

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suffered from too much chilli.

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Now, onions, and all the onions over here are red,

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unless anyone tells me otherwise.

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Garlic, three to four cloves, roughly chopped.

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So now the spices, and here, it gets interesting,

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because, of course, I'm not using a rather old curry powder.

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First of all, lovely, bright reddy-orange chilli,

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about a teaspoon of that.

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And now some also lovely bright yellow turmeric, teaspoon of that.

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And now I'm going to put a lot of garam masala in,

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about a tablespoon and a half. This is my own garam masala.

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We've got black pepper, we've got coriander, we've got cumin,

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we've got cloves, we've got cardamom,

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and we've also got - let me remember -

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nutmeg and cinnamon.

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Smells delicious, that. This is the difference -

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this is what makes my British Raj curry a bit better than, I suspect,

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you might have had in the 19th, or indeed early 20th, century.

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Salt - two teaspoonfuls - and then water.

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And now we're going to add two very important ingredients,

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which really bring it back to my mother's curry.

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First of all, not desiccated coconut that she would have used,

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but freshly grated coconut.

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And secondly, some lovely plumptious sultanas.

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But this is now going to have to cook for an hour and a half,

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so see you later.

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If I can find the lid, I'll put that on.

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All those years the British were in India

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played a big part in our gastronomic life at home.

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Kedgeree is still a great breakfast dish, and there wouldn't be

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Worcester sauce without the Raj, or chutney, for that matter,

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mulligatawny soup, or piccalilli. Christmas without piccalilli?!

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Meanwhile, back to my curry.

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That is lovely. Wow!

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I'm very happy with that.

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And this sort of reminds me of going out to pubs in the '60s and '70s

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and ordering it. And you'd always get desiccated coconut,

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very important, slices of banana.

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But most important, most exotic, your poppadoms.

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Lovely.

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I have to agree, it's not a proper curry without poppadoms.

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Now, Rick's curry search is in India, but one of my favourite

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all-time curries actually comes from further east, in Thailand.

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It's a green curry, Thai green curry,

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and it's actually really simple when you know and you've got

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all the ingredients that I've got there to make your own curry paste.

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And that's what we're going to do now.

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-I know you love your scallops as well, Kris.

-Love scallops.

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So we're going to serve that with a little scallops.

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First thing I'm going to do is get the puree on, or the paste

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for this. And to do that, we take a little bit of shallot,

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just a touch, and then we use this stuff, which is galangal,

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which is like a... It's almost like a fragrant ginger.

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You can get this in the supermarkets nowadays.

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But you basically just thinly slice it,

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and what we're going to do is puree all these ingredients.

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Have a smell of that.

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-It's like ginger, but a bit more fragrant, really.

-Mm!

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Now, these are called kaffir lime leaves.

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You can get these dried or frozen nowadays.

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A lot of the time in the supermarkets, they're dried,

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but you can still use them exactly the same.

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They look like that, little lime leaf, and you break them.

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It's got a beautiful smell of sort of lime mixed together.

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-It's like a kaffir lime.

-Yeah, kaffir lime, that's what they are.

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And then we're going to put in some chilli, little bit of chilli.

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And then some lemon grass. Now, the thing is, with this lemon grass,

0:22:140:22:17

you've got to chop it quite sort of fine, really,

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to start off with, although we're going to blend it.

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We're going to make a puree out of it, so chop all that up

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quite fine, and the whole lot's going to get thrown in the blender.

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Now, you're used to ingredients like this cos you were brought up

0:22:270:22:30

in Hong Kong for part of your childhood, weren't you?

0:22:300:22:33

Well, yeah, my father was in the RAF,

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so we got to travel quite a bit when I was younger.

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It was more my teenage years, so I was schooled in England,

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but then I would go out there for holidays.

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And then, after I left school, I worked out there for a bit as well.

0:22:430:22:45

I worked at the old airport, Kai Tak Airport,

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that stretches out into the harbour.

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It is a crazy place. I went there for the first time last year.

0:22:500:22:53

It's a fascinating place, but crazy place, isn't it?

0:22:530:22:55

Yeah, I mean, it's an amazing place.

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It's such a melting pot of China and western influences and...

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I'd love to go back, actually.

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-I haven't been back since the handover...

-Yeah.

0:23:030:23:07

..in '97, so it would be amazing to go back and see it again.

0:23:070:23:10

Now, what I'm going to do is basically just make a little

0:23:100:23:12

paste out of this. Little bit of oil going in here.

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And we start off by making this paste.

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We just blend it all up, really. You can add some of this.

0:23:170:23:19

This is the little Thai fish sauce going in there,

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just a tiny little bit.

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But really, you can make this in advance,

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and that's your simple little paste.

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And then what we're going to do is fry this just in a touch of oil,

0:23:280:23:31

just to get this started.

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And really, it's quite quick from then on, really.

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Grab some of this paste. This will keep really nicely as well.

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There you go.

0:23:400:23:42

So all that goes into our little pot here.

0:23:420:23:45

Fry this only for about 30 seconds, and then we can start to

0:23:450:23:48

add the rest of it. Obviously, we've got our coconut milk.

0:23:480:23:53

That can go in. And then we're going to put in the palm sugar

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and everything else, the coriander and the lime.

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And just gently simmer this to cook out the spices.

0:23:590:24:02

But, of course, coming back to the UK, fell in love with acting.

0:24:020:24:06

But there isn't... I don't think there is an actor or actress

0:24:060:24:09

who has been on the show that hasn't been in The Bill.

0:24:090:24:11

Yeah, I think if you're an English actor...

0:24:110:24:14

I was looking through the bio - you've been in it!

0:24:140:24:16

I've been in it twice.

0:24:160:24:17

Twice. What did you play?

0:24:170:24:19

First time, I played a 16-year-old jewel thief,

0:24:190:24:22

who had a congenital kidney complaint. Which was...

0:24:220:24:27

I'm 6'3", and the arresting policeman was about

0:24:270:24:31

5'2", trying to pass myself off as a 16-year-old.

0:24:310:24:35

It looked ridiculous!

0:24:350:24:36

And the second time, I played...

0:24:370:24:40

I played someone who was obsessed with a part of ladies' anatomy.

0:24:400:24:45

Right.

0:24:450:24:47

Moving on, moving on!

0:24:470:24:50

We're going to put these little pea aubergines in,

0:24:500:24:52

these little tiny aubergines, they go in there as well.

0:24:520:24:55

But it was in 2000 that we saw you in... Was it My Family,

0:24:550:24:58

that was the one that really launched your career, would you say?

0:24:580:25:01

To a wider audience?

0:25:010:25:03

Yeah, that was my sort of breakthrough on TV.

0:25:030:25:05

I had already been doing a lot of theatre,

0:25:050:25:08

and worked for the National and stuff.

0:25:080:25:10

I had also done a couple of low-budget films.

0:25:100:25:14

-But that was my real breakthrough, yeah.

-That was the one.

0:25:140:25:16

But, I mean, films as well. You're one of these actors

0:25:160:25:19

that manages to do a little bit of both, really.

0:25:190:25:21

Quite lucky to get sort of a...

0:25:210:25:22

Because often you get compiled into television and sort of ignore film,

0:25:220:25:25

but you kind of do a little bit of everything.

0:25:250:25:28

Still doing a little bit of everything.

0:25:280:25:29

Yeah, yeah, I love to do films, I love to do theatre.

0:25:290:25:33

Because theatre is like gigging for a musician.

0:25:330:25:35

If you don't do it...

0:25:350:25:36

I haven't done it for six years, and I really need to get back on stage.

0:25:360:25:39

Because if you don't do it, you get a bit lazy, a bit flabby.

0:25:390:25:41

Would you say that helps you in all the things that you're doing now,

0:25:410:25:44

really? Because you're doing acting, of course, on television.

0:25:440:25:47

But it's very different.

0:25:470:25:48

Would you say that's really the key to it, theatre?

0:25:480:25:51

I think mixing it up generally is just the key to it.

0:25:510:25:53

Try and do as many different things as possible.

0:25:530:25:55

So what's next for you, then?

0:25:570:25:59

Because obviously Death In Paradise,

0:25:590:26:00

you've taken over from Ben Miller now.

0:26:000:26:02

Where were you in the programme?

0:26:020:26:04

It was sort of very transitional.

0:26:040:26:06

I've never joined an existing show before,

0:26:060:26:09

so it was a new experience for me. And also quite a different

0:26:090:26:12

sort of pressure, because it was already a very popular show,

0:26:120:26:15

and that was massively, in large part, thanks to Ben.

0:26:150:26:19

-Yeah.

-And to sort of take Ben out of that and put this new guy in,

0:26:190:26:25

it was not without its pressures.

0:26:250:26:27

It could only really go south.

0:26:280:26:30

But so far, at least, it seems to have been doing really well.

0:26:300:26:32

But we had Ben on the show.

0:26:320:26:33

He doesn't really like the sun, he was saying, really.

0:26:330:26:36

Yeah, he's not great with the sun, or the heat.

0:26:360:26:39

LAUGHTER

0:26:390:26:42

What, did he take it for the money?

0:26:420:26:44

-I think he spent a lot of time in air-conditioned cars.

-Right.

0:26:460:26:49

He would just run out, do a shot,

0:26:490:26:51

and then get back in the air-conditioned car.

0:26:510:26:53

-I'm a bit better with the heat.

-Because where do you film?

0:26:530:26:55

I know obviously Caribbean, but whereabouts do you film it?

0:26:550:26:58

We film on the island of Guadeloupe, sort of in the French West Indies.

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It's a French department, so it's ostensibly a part of France,

0:27:010:27:05

and they use the Euro, and that's the currency.

0:27:050:27:08

-It's a hard life, isn't it?

-It is, it is tough.

0:27:080:27:11

But they...

0:27:110:27:13

It's a lot different from the sort of English West Indies islands.

0:27:130:27:18

It's very French, a lot of people walking around with baguettes

0:27:180:27:21

and drinking espressos.

0:27:210:27:22

It's a beautiful island.

0:27:240:27:26

It is split into two, it's in the shape of a butterfly.

0:27:260:27:29

And one side is very arid and flat,

0:27:290:27:32

almost like a sort of Sahara... Sort of Savannah side area.

0:27:320:27:35

Yeah.

0:27:350:27:37

And the other side is volcanic and mountainous.

0:27:370:27:40

You know, full of rainforest, and that's the side we film on.

0:27:400:27:43

It's not... It's not very populated either, so...

0:27:430:27:47

So you're spending your life all over the place at the moment,

0:27:470:27:49

because you've got... I mean, the film as well.

0:27:490:27:51

You've got a new film out, Sparks And Embers, which is out later on

0:27:510:27:54

-this year.

-Yeah, November, I think, it'll be out.

0:27:540:27:56

Tells about that, then. What does that involve?

0:27:560:27:58

That's a two-hander, which is a sort of different thing in itself.

0:27:580:28:02

Just two actors on film for 90 minutes.

0:28:020:28:04

It's quite... Yeah.

0:28:040:28:06

But it's a story about a record A&R man who gets fired from his company,

0:28:060:28:13

and on his way out the building, he gets into the lift,

0:28:130:28:16

and the woman who has just fired him get in the lift as well,

0:28:160:28:19

and the lift gets stuck.

0:28:190:28:20

-Awkward!

-Bit awkward.

0:28:200:28:22

And then it cuts to five years later, and they meet in a bar,

0:28:220:28:26

and she says, "I'm leaving you for another man in France".

0:28:260:28:29

-Awkward!

-Also awkward.

0:28:290:28:32

A French actress, Annelise Hesme, plays the girl.

0:28:320:28:35

She's a wonderful French actress.

0:28:350:28:38

So you know they got together, and you know they broke up,

0:28:380:28:41

but you don't know how.

0:28:410:28:42

And the rest of the film sort of intercuts between the two storylines

0:28:420:28:45

and unravels the story as it goes along.

0:28:450:28:47

So sort of almost like a story backwards, in reverse.

0:28:470:28:50

It must be great getting a script like that, just two actors.

0:28:500:28:53

It was amazing. It was almost like a play.

0:28:530:28:56

We shot one scene that was 17 pages long, and we did it in one shot.

0:28:560:29:01

And a lot of that is retained in the film,

0:29:010:29:04

so it's kind of almost like a sort of play on celluloid.

0:29:040:29:08

Fantastic. Well, there's your little Thai curry. For you.

0:29:080:29:12

And seeing as we've got all these fancy chefs in here...

0:29:120:29:15

That just sets it off.

0:29:210:29:22

And now it's another 12 quid.

0:29:220:29:24

You get to dive into this.

0:29:240:29:26

-You've got a knife there, if you want to slice it.

-Oh, OK.

0:29:260:29:30

-Literally, the scallops, you pan-fry for about 30 seconds.

-OK.

0:29:300:29:32

And just poach them in the liquid as well.

0:29:320:29:34

But that's the Thai curry paste that we made as well, just blended.

0:29:340:29:37

And you can have it as hot as you want just by putting more chillies.

0:29:370:29:40

-Right.

-You've got cumin and coriander in there.

0:29:400:29:43

Oh, wow.

0:29:430:29:44

And done in about seven minutes.

0:29:440:29:46

-That's amazing.

-Easy as that.

0:29:460:29:48

I think that was more Food In Paradise than Death In Paradise

0:29:520:29:55

for Kris there.

0:29:550:29:56

So, an Asian-inspired start to the show,

0:29:560:29:58

and now it's over to Matt Gillan, who's making -

0:29:580:30:01

bear with me on this - salmon with lemon curd.

0:30:010:30:03

-Great to have you on the show again, Matt.

-Thanks for having me.

0:30:030:30:06

Good to have you on the show.

0:30:060:30:07

-Now, I know you want to get that salmon on now, so...

-Yes, I do.

0:30:070:30:10

We get that on and then we're going to talk about the dish, really,

0:30:100:30:12

because this is quite an unusual one, really.

0:30:120:30:14

Yes, it is, I suppose on the surface,

0:30:140:30:17

-but it's quite normal for me.

-Quite normal for you.

-Yeah.

0:30:170:30:20

But for viewers watching this, you wouldn't normally put all these

0:30:200:30:23

sort of ingredients together but you are, so the fish goes straight in.

0:30:230:30:27

-Straight in.

-OK. Do you want that...?

0:30:270:30:29

That just cooks on a really low heat?

0:30:290:30:31

Yeah, so we're going to just cook it on the skin side

0:30:310:30:33

-really kind of slowly.

-OK.

-And the skin's just going to protect it

0:30:330:30:36

-and it's going to stay nice and moist.

-OK.

0:30:360:30:38

Now, you want me to do this, this is lemon curd.

0:30:380:30:40

-I think you'll be all right with this.

-I'm all right with lemon curd.

0:30:400:30:43

When's the last time you made a lemon curd, James?

0:30:430:30:45

It was probably about 22 years ago.

0:30:450:30:48

Yeah, so we take six egg yolks, one whole egg

0:30:480:30:51

-and then we'll mix that with the lemon juice.

-OK.

0:30:510:30:53

The juice of two lemons, erm...

0:30:530:30:55

-..the demerara sugar. Sorry, muscovado sugar...

-OK.

0:30:550:30:59

-I can do that, there you go. OK.

-..rather than caster sugar.

0:30:590:31:02

-Yep.

-And so that will just give a nice earthy kind of flavour,

0:31:030:31:07

just, you know, take away a lot of the sweetness

0:31:070:31:10

-of the lemon curd because we're putting it with the salmon.

-Yep, OK.

0:31:100:31:13

But it's quite unusual putting these two ingredients,

0:31:130:31:16

that's what I said, you say it's normal for you

0:31:160:31:18

but for people watching this, you just think,

0:31:180:31:20

how on earth is that going to work, really? But...

0:31:200:31:23

Well, it's more the... More the lemon, you know, lemon and salmon,

0:31:230:31:27

lemon fish. It's...

0:31:270:31:29

-..quite normal, really.

-So, where does this idea...?

0:31:300:31:33

Where do you get your ideas from anyway, really?

0:31:330:31:36

I look at... I tend to look at flavours and tastes,

0:31:360:31:40

not necessarily the final products, as it were.

0:31:400:31:45

-So, hence why...

-There's a sink if you want to wash your hands there,

0:31:450:31:48

cos your mother will be on if she's watching this.

0:31:480:31:51

There you go. Now she'll stop phoning in.

0:31:530:31:55

Right. Right, so we've got lemon and we've got egg yolks, whole eggs

0:31:550:31:58

and I've got sugar and butter, so I'm going to get that on first.

0:31:580:32:01

-Yep.

-OK. So, what are you doing now, then?

0:32:010:32:03

-Tell us what you're up to now with this.

-What we've got here is

0:32:030:32:06

-the fregola.

-Yep.

-So, it comes from Sicily,

0:32:060:32:09

it originates from Sicily and it's like a toasted pasta dough.

0:32:090:32:14

Erm...

0:32:150:32:17

I'm just going simmer it in plain water, you can do it in stock...

0:32:170:32:21

-Yeah.

-..straightaway.

-You cook it like pasta as well, don't you?

0:32:210:32:23

-Yeah, yeah, but it's much, much chewier than a pasta.

-Right.

0:32:230:32:27

I think it kind of stems from the flour in Sicily

0:32:270:32:30

was just a lot more glutinous, so they couldn't actually make pasta

0:32:300:32:34

as the Italians would.

0:32:340:32:36

So, how has it been for you since the Great British Menu?

0:32:360:32:38

Cos that must be a great platform for you, you guys, wasn't it?

0:32:380:32:41

-Oh, it's been really quiet.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

0:32:410:32:43

No, it's been mental. We've been full since October,

0:32:430:32:47

lunch and dinner since it went out, so it's unbelievable.

0:32:470:32:50

But not just for me but for, like, the goat as well, you know,

0:32:500:32:54

-that we did.

-Yeah.

-Just the interest in that product.

0:32:540:33:00

Why that in particular? Cos of all of the things you could've cooked,

0:33:000:33:03

cos this was for the WI, why that in particular?

0:33:030:33:07

Well, there was a lot of researching the Women's Institute,

0:33:070:33:10

and just kind of a lot of information that they had,

0:33:100:33:15

and what the Women's Institute stands for,

0:33:150:33:17

with local sourcing, making the best of a resource, you know,

0:33:170:33:20

campaigns and things like that, the goat just...

0:33:200:33:24

-..just, it just worked, you know?

-Yep.

0:33:250:33:28

Like the billy kid so just culled,

0:33:280:33:31

-can we talk about that at the moment?

-Yep.

0:33:310:33:33

But, yeah, you know, they're just sent to slaughter

0:33:330:33:36

and it's just a real waste, so just, yeah,

0:33:360:33:39

really resonated with myself and I grew up on goat

0:33:390:33:43

and the WI's ethos on waste not, want not.

0:33:430:33:46

Cos you and Paul are not far from each other,

0:33:460:33:48

you were brought up not far from each other.

0:33:480:33:50

You're a Portsmouth kid?

0:33:500:33:51

-Yeah, I'm a Port boy.

-Southampton.

0:33:510:33:54

-We don't get on.

-Technically we shouldn't like each other!

0:33:540:33:57

-Right, the idea that we cook the pasta, as you call it.

-Yeah.

0:33:580:34:01

And then you're cooking that... So this is the risotto, basically.

0:34:010:34:04

So I'm going to make a risotto style but with a fregola

0:34:040:34:06

-and it's a lot kind of safer...

-OK.

0:34:060:34:09

..than just doing a straight-up pasta.

0:34:090:34:11

-Now, you say safer...

-Er, risotto.

-Do you want me to take that?

0:34:110:34:14

Well, as in to overcook it, you know, if you take a risotto

0:34:140:34:17

a little bit too far, it just goes really stodgy,

0:34:170:34:20

the rice just breaks down whereas this holds its shape and texture.

0:34:200:34:23

Right. So you can cook it, cool it down and then you can finish it off?

0:34:230:34:27

-Exactly.

-This is a much quicker way of making something like this.

0:34:270:34:30

-Yeah.

-OK. Right, so that's the rice straight in?

-Yep.

0:34:300:34:33

So, it's a granola but with a twist.

0:34:330:34:37

-So, rather than oats, we're using puffed rice.

-Right.

0:34:370:34:42

So that's just super hot oil, it's about 210 degrees.

0:34:430:34:47

-Really, really hot.

-Really, really hot.

-OK.

0:34:470:34:49

-Puffs up straight away so it's like Rice Krispies.

-Yeah.

0:34:490:34:52

It looks quite... Yeah, straightaway like that.

0:34:530:34:56

-So this is the base of your granola?

-This is the base.

-OK.

0:34:560:34:59

And then into that there's going to be pumpkin seeds.

0:34:590:35:02

Which you're going to toast up.

0:35:020:35:03

-Which we're going to fry as well.

-OK.

0:35:030:35:05

I'll just remove the remaining bits out of there as well

0:35:050:35:08

so it doesn't burn. There you go, it's ready when you are.

0:35:080:35:12

Right, I've got the sugar in here, the lemon and the eggs

0:35:120:35:15

and then you thicken it and then we're going to add the butter

0:35:150:35:18

-to finish it off.

-Add some butter at the end, yeah.

-OK.

0:35:180:35:20

And then you've got the spices to go with it. All the while,

0:35:200:35:23

-that salmon is just ticking away nicely.

-It's just ticking over,

0:35:230:35:26

you know, we don't need to worry about this too much,

0:35:260:35:28

-that skin's going to protect it.

-OK. It'll stay...

0:35:280:35:31

-..lovely.

-Now, tell us about your restaurant, then, because that's...

0:35:310:35:33

We didn't talk about it for much time when you were on,

0:35:330:35:36

it's quite a small restaurant, only 28 seats?

0:35:360:35:39

Yeah, there's only 28 seats, I mean, there's only so many seats

0:35:390:35:42

you can fit into a kitchen.

0:35:420:35:43

-It's in the actual kitchen.

-Yeah.

-It's part of the kitchen,

0:35:430:35:46

it doesn't stand alone. It's not an open-plan kitchen,

0:35:460:35:49

-it's dominated by the kitchen.

-Right.

0:35:490:35:53

And it's intimate, you know, it's only 28 covers but...

0:35:530:35:57

-..you know, it's still a lot of work.

-And the menu reflects that

0:35:590:36:02

cos you do, like, a tasting menu? You've got your own...

0:36:020:36:05

Yeah, so we run from six to ten courses, all fairly different.

0:36:050:36:10

-There's a lot of flex between dishes, you know, you can...

-Right.

0:36:100:36:14

If you don't like something, then swap it out.

0:36:140:36:17

-I don't want to dictate that much.

-OK.

0:36:170:36:20

I still want the element of choice.

0:36:200:36:21

It's a restaurant at the end of the day, so...

0:36:210:36:24

I'm keeping my eye on this cos it's ages since I've made this.

0:36:240:36:27

Cos you don't want to boil it, do you? Cos it goes...

0:36:270:36:29

-Will it curdle, James?

-Looking all right.

0:36:290:36:31

-Could it curdle?

-It can curdle, yes!

0:36:310:36:33

But that's what it should look like.

0:36:330:36:34

It's kind of like this thickened mixture

0:36:340:36:36

and then you add butter to it.

0:36:360:36:38

So lemon curd or orange curd is done the same sort of way, really.

0:36:380:36:41

-But what would make it curdle? I mean, what's...?

-Heat.

0:36:410:36:44

You boil it. Cos it's got the egg yolks in there and everything else,

0:36:440:36:47

the lemon will actually start to thicken it as well

0:36:470:36:50

-before it actually thickens too much but...

-Right.

0:36:500:36:52

..you certainly don't want to boil it

0:36:520:36:54

otherwise it will definitely separate. There you go.

0:36:540:36:56

-Right, I've got my lemon curd there.

-Perfect.

0:36:560:36:59

So if you can do the spices, so grind down the spices,

0:36:590:37:03

it's going to add a bit of a seasoning to the granola.

0:37:030:37:06

-So you've got...

-Star anise.

-..loads of star anise.

-Yeah.

0:37:060:37:10

OK. How many are we catering?

0:37:100:37:11

Is this for you for the restaurant for tonight or something?

0:37:110:37:14

-Yeah, well, not for tonight.

-Right.

-I'm actually on a holiday today.

0:37:140:37:17

So you've got loads of star anise

0:37:170:37:19

and then what else have you got in here?

0:37:190:37:21

We've got ground coriander, ground cumin

0:37:210:37:23

-and madras curry powder.

-OK.

0:37:230:37:27

Matt, the muscovado in the curd, is that to make it less sweet?

0:37:270:37:31

Yeah, to make it less sweet and also you know

0:37:310:37:33

when you eat muscovado, it's just earthy, it's just a little bitter.

0:37:330:37:36

-Yeah, lovely.

-So it works much nicer with, you know,

0:37:360:37:38

trying to put a sweet element with a savoury dish.

0:37:380:37:41

And would you always do an oily fish with this dish

0:37:410:37:44

or could you use another type of fish?

0:37:440:37:46

-Yeah, like turbot would be really nice with this dish.

-Yeah.

0:37:460:37:50

Right, there's your spices.

0:37:500:37:53

So we've got about a minute left.

0:37:530:37:54

And then you want me to grate the Parmesan cheese

0:37:540:37:58

-and finish that in the risotto as well.

-Yeah.

0:37:580:38:01

-OK.

-So just reduce that fish stock down with the fregola.

0:38:010:38:05

Yeah, and this is where we can just finish off.

0:38:050:38:07

In you go with the crab.

0:38:070:38:09

You've got the Parmesan cheese going in.

0:38:110:38:13

Have you turned the salmon over yet?

0:38:130:38:15

-Just now.

-I've just turned it over now.

0:38:150:38:17

So do you do more on the side, you cook more on the side

0:38:170:38:19

-with the skin than the other side?

-Yeah, so that offers the protection,

0:38:190:38:22

you know, if you cook it skinless, it tends to...

0:38:220:38:24

-It can overcook very easily.

-Yeah.

-The skin just protects it.

0:38:240:38:29

See, this is the power of the internet, somebody says

0:38:290:38:31

fregola's from Sardinia, not Sicily.

0:38:310:38:34

-It's that way.

-Yeah.

-There you go.

0:38:350:38:37

-Italy.

-Yeah.

0:38:370:38:39

Right, anyway, so we've got the cherries.

0:38:390:38:41

They're going to go in there, chopped up.

0:38:410:38:43

Into our mixture here?

0:38:430:38:45

-Yep.

-Cherries go in. And then you've got...

0:38:450:38:48

-So chives can go in too.

-Chives can go in the risotto.

0:38:480:38:52

-I'll season that risotto up.

-Little bit of spice.

0:38:520:38:54

And then we're ready to plate. So, salt and pepper.

0:38:540:38:57

Salt, a little bit of onion powder as well.

0:38:570:38:59

-What have you put in there?

-So, salt, onion powder

0:38:590:39:02

-and a good pinch of the spice.

-Onion powder?

-Onion powder, yeah.

0:39:020:39:05

-What is that?

-Dried onions and then powdered.

0:39:050:39:10

-Stock cube.

-Sounds handy.

-JAMES LAUGHS

0:39:100:39:14

Right, we've got the risotto there, that's seasoned already for you.

0:39:140:39:18

-And I put some lime juice in there so that's ready to go.

-Lovely.

0:39:180:39:22

So, ready when you are.

0:39:220:39:25

So we don't want too much lemon curd, it's just to kind of

0:39:250:39:28

break up the savoury element and just add a little bit of sweetness,

0:39:280:39:32

a little bit of citrus.

0:39:320:39:33

Is that it? Is that all you're using after all that stuff I've just made?

0:39:350:39:39

Just grind up enough spice for about 600 people here but...

0:39:390:39:44

-The crew said they were hungry.

-Yeah. OK.

0:39:440:39:47

This is the nice little bit of, well, risotto-style dish as well.

0:39:490:39:52

Yeah.

0:39:520:39:54

It's just a little bit different and a little bit safer as well.

0:39:540:39:58

The salmon is nicely cooked, like you said,

0:39:590:40:01

all the way through on one side.

0:40:010:40:03

So the granola just adds a nice bit of texture to this.

0:40:060:40:09

And you've put the spice that I've made into there?

0:40:090:40:11

Spices all through that and then just to finish...

0:40:110:40:14

..just a little bit of raw samphire. It's had nothing done it,

0:40:140:40:17

it just adds another texture, a little bit of saltiness to the dish.

0:40:170:40:21

So give us the name of the dish, then?

0:40:210:40:23

So this is pan-fried salmon with crab fregola,

0:40:230:40:26

sour cherry and puffed rice granola and lemon curd.

0:40:260:40:30

How good does that look?

0:40:300:40:31

I have to say, that granola smells fantastic.

0:40:350:40:38

-You get to dive into this!

-Yes.

-Looking forward to it.

-Wow!

0:40:390:40:42

It's such a great way to cook that salmon, don't you think,

0:40:420:40:45

all the way through? So many times people overcomplicate stuff,

0:40:450:40:47

-moving it around too much.

-It smells incredible.

0:40:470:40:49

-Try that lovely risotto.

-It's fish every day.

-Well, exactly, yeah.

0:40:490:40:53

I feel like you've got to start with one bit just to be sure

0:40:530:40:55

you get all the different flavours.

0:40:550:40:57

What I love is that curd with the muscovado.

0:40:570:41:01

Is the lemon curd at the...?

0:41:010:41:03

-Yeah, it's in amongst all that as well.

-That is amazing.

0:41:030:41:05

It's quite unusual putting all those flavours together.

0:41:050:41:07

-The crab and the - what did you say? It's called fregola?

-Fregola, yeah.

0:41:070:41:10

You can buy it, there you go. And the salmon's perfectly cooked.

0:41:100:41:13

Only Matt Gillan could make fish, pasta, lemon curd

0:41:180:41:20

and sour cherry granola taste that good and everyone was won over

0:41:200:41:24

in the studio.

0:41:240:41:25

Now next up, Keith Floyd is on his travels once again.

0:41:250:41:29

KEITH FLOYD: You all might think I'm shopping,

0:41:320:41:34

but I'm not going shopping.

0:41:340:41:35

I'm making the groceries, as they say here in New Orleans,

0:41:350:41:38

in this French market established in the late 1700s

0:41:380:41:40

where the French immigrants brought their own typical produce

0:41:400:41:43

to make the kind of wonderful American dishes you can get.

0:41:430:41:46

There are yams and sugar canes, wonderful plump tomatoes,

0:41:460:41:49

garlic, peppers, courgettes... You could be in Provence.

0:41:490:41:52

And I'm making the groceries

0:41:520:41:54

for the classic New Orleans signature dish, shellfish gumbo.

0:41:540:41:57

Shellfish gumbo was invented by the people who lived here

0:41:570:42:00

when they tried to sort out how to make a French bouillabaisse

0:42:000:42:02

but they didn't in fact have the proper spices.

0:42:020:42:04

But the West Indians did - they had a spice called ngumbo,

0:42:040:42:07

so they stuffed that into their shellfish stuff

0:42:070:42:10

and eventually it became called gumbo, file gumbo.

0:42:100:42:13

To make the perfect shellfish gumbo, you need a fistful of dollars...

0:42:160:42:20

-Thank you.

-How are you doing, sir?

-How are you doing?

0:42:200:42:22

What do I need for a really good shellfish gumbo?

0:42:220:42:25

Well, first of all, sir,

0:42:250:42:26

we have some lovely shrimps here good for the gumbo.

0:42:260:42:28

-OK, I'm cooking for 12, so whack them in there, if you would.

-OK.

0:42:280:42:32

Brilliant. Beautiful, beautiful shrimps. What's next?

0:42:320:42:35

First of all we have some gumbo file.

0:42:350:42:37

-Right, now what exactly is this spice?

-OK, it's just like...

0:42:370:42:40

It's ground-up sassafras leaves.

0:42:400:42:42

Right, ground-up sassafras leaves, I've got that sussed at last.

0:42:420:42:45

OK, we have some Cajun andouille sausage.

0:42:450:42:46

-Excellent, so that's a spicy sausage?

-Yes, sir.

-In it goes.

0:42:460:42:49

-We have some tasso.

-And that's, what, smoked pork?

0:42:490:42:51

-Yes, sir.

-Good-oh.

-And we have the crabs here to go with it.

0:42:510:42:54

Great, chuck in some crabs.

0:42:540:42:55

How many of those do I need?

0:42:570:42:58

-About a half-dozen there.

-OK, good-oh.

0:42:580:43:02

-We also have some of our Creole seasoning.

-Right, that's spicy too.

0:43:020:43:06

-In that goes.

-How about some oysters?

0:43:060:43:08

Oysters, you bet. Brilliant.

0:43:080:43:10

-How about some crawfish to go with that?

-Some crawfish, I like it.

0:43:100:43:13

-And this thing here, now, what is this?

-OK, this is Cajun boudin.

0:43:130:43:16

-Cajun boudin?

-Crawfish boudin.

-That's very stylish.

0:43:160:43:18

This is the sort of thing the French nouvelle cuisine chefs

0:43:180:43:20

are making these days. Really brilliant.

0:43:200:43:22

Anyway, jambalaya and a crawfish pie and file gumbo,

0:43:220:43:24

we're going to have some fun on the bayou.

0:43:240:43:27

Well, not exactly,

0:43:270:43:28

but at the New Orleans Cookery School run by Joe Cahn.

0:43:280:43:31

There it is at the bottom of your picture on the corner

0:43:310:43:33

of that big building where the pink car is.

0:43:330:43:35

Food to this day is more important than just sticking something

0:43:350:43:37

in your mouth and chewing and swallowing.

0:43:370:43:39

Food is what social is about, food is what family is about.

0:43:390:43:42

Food is such a passion with local people, be it Creole or Cajun,

0:43:420:43:46

that people will say that their mother is the greatest cook

0:43:460:43:49

in the world, their grandmother is the greatest cook in the world.

0:43:490:43:52

And that's one of the things about Louisiana restaurants -

0:43:520:43:55

it is hard for a restaurateur to compete

0:43:550:43:58

against somebody's home cooking because as you taste it,

0:43:580:44:02

the people will say about a gumbo,

0:44:020:44:04

"My grandmother did better than this," or, "I did better than this."

0:44:040:44:08

And that's the fun part about it, but all of our food...

0:44:080:44:10

We have a passion for eating.

0:44:100:44:11

-We've a passion for life.

-That's grand, but I tell you what, I...

0:44:110:44:15

I mean, this actually is my show, my viewers expect me

0:44:150:44:18

-to cook something...

-Wait, this isn't MY show?!

0:44:180:44:20

No, this is not your show, and as Fats Domino said,

0:44:200:44:22

"Big bad Joe, you gotta go, me on my own." Thank you.

0:44:220:44:26

-But wait, wait, I want to say...

-Go, out.

0:44:260:44:28

I'm going to get out of the kitchen, but here's the thing

0:44:280:44:30

about the English - you have a beer in front of you. Is that true?

0:44:300:44:33

-What have you got?

-I have a beer, but you have learned to only cook

0:44:330:44:36

with one hand because you have to drink with one hand.

0:44:360:44:38

In Louisiana, we're probably the only people

0:44:380:44:42

who have a beer holster.

0:44:420:44:44

So what I've got to say is,

0:44:440:44:46

"Goodbye, Joe, we've got to go down the bayou."

0:44:460:44:50

You have been watching, or just missed, Big Bad Joe.

0:44:520:44:56

That's great, but we have actually got to get down to the business.

0:44:560:44:59

I've asked Joe, I've asked old ladies in the street,

0:44:590:45:02

I've asked every kind of person how I make a file gumbo.

0:45:020:45:05

This is going to be my interpretation of it.

0:45:050:45:07

I'm going to try very hard

0:45:070:45:08

and I'm going to give it to Big Bad Joe afterwards.

0:45:080:45:11

So, no further...more ado, as we say, and Clive,

0:45:110:45:14

the routine spin round the ingredients.

0:45:140:45:16

This is going to be a shrimp gumbo, OK?

0:45:160:45:18

So we've got fresh shrimp - lovely, lovely prawns,

0:45:180:45:21

we call them in Britain - we've got oysters, we've got gumbo crab meat

0:45:210:45:26

taken from the shelves,

0:45:260:45:27

these are the actual gumbo crabs here, we've got crawfish...

0:45:270:45:30

Remember the Elvis Presley thing, Crawfish, Crawfish? These are they.

0:45:300:45:34

In fact, they're crayfish, as we would call them. OK.

0:45:340:45:37

We have got the Cajun spices, Louisiana spices,

0:45:370:45:41

we've got the tomato sauce, we've got rice,

0:45:410:45:45

we've got this wonderful sausage

0:45:450:45:47

which I'm going to speak about much later, just check it out for now.

0:45:470:45:50

We've got peppers and onions and parsley

0:45:500:45:53

and the dish takes its name from the okra, OK? Or lady's fingers.

0:45:530:45:59

This is the gumbo. In fact, ngumbo from the West Africans...

0:45:590:46:04

..West Indians who were imported here in those dreadful years

0:46:040:46:07

of slavery, they brought this kind of stuff with them.

0:46:070:46:09

But, in fact, a gumbo doesn't have to have okra in it

0:46:090:46:12

and mine is not going to have it in.

0:46:120:46:14

So that's the beginning of it all,

0:46:140:46:16

but before we can even start to cook,

0:46:160:46:18

we need some fish stock which, Clive,

0:46:180:46:20

if you can zoom over here, I've got a regular fish stock of carrots,

0:46:200:46:24

leeks, onions and stuff like that and a fish head.

0:46:240:46:27

Also, of course, I'm going to put in all of the shells

0:46:270:46:29

from the prawns. We'll let that simmer

0:46:290:46:31

and bubble away there for a second

0:46:310:46:33

and we get on with the real, real business.

0:46:330:46:35

So a cookery school and he'd be waving at the people up there,

0:46:350:46:37

I suppose. Anyway, fat in the pan, oil.

0:46:370:46:40

Some people say you should use margarine and oil.

0:46:400:46:43

Right, no problem.

0:46:430:46:44

So, into our hot fat, the very first thing that I believe we should do

0:46:440:46:48

is throw some onions.

0:46:480:46:49

You might get a bit of smoke in your eyes here, but don't worry about it.

0:46:490:46:52

We then need a few of these peppers,

0:46:520:46:55

they call them bell peppers here, I just call them green peppers.

0:46:550:46:58

But they do like to take the whole thing to the maximum.

0:46:580:47:01

Then I need some chopped celery.

0:47:010:47:03

It's a very unbalanced knife,

0:47:030:47:05

so I'm not going to do it quite as fast as I normally do.

0:47:050:47:07

We have some chopped celery.

0:47:070:47:10

OK.

0:47:100:47:11

And we sweat all these vegetables down for a second or two.

0:47:120:47:15

Right, the next thing I'm going to do is put in Joe's mix,

0:47:150:47:18

I mean, this is a mixture of - and here I have to refer to my notes

0:47:180:47:22

because I told you I don't know all of these things -

0:47:220:47:24

this is, you could be looking at that while I'm reading it out, OK?

0:47:240:47:27

It's a mixture of freshly ground red pepper, sweet paprika, salt,

0:47:270:47:31

white pepper, black pepper, dried thyme leaves, o-REG-ano leaves -

0:47:310:47:35

I'm getting American, I mean oreg-ano, I'm terribly sorry -

0:47:350:47:38

and a bay leaf all stuffed into there.

0:47:380:47:40

And this goes now... We've sweated these vegetables down a bit.

0:47:400:47:44

That goes in there as well.

0:47:440:47:47

And this is going to help us to make a bit of a roux.

0:47:470:47:51

OK, we've got that.

0:47:510:47:52

Then something brought to the gumbo by the Indians,

0:47:520:47:57

the indigenous American Indians, is the "file".

0:47:570:48:00

This is a sassafras seed...

0:48:000:48:03

Sassafras leaves pounded up, OK?

0:48:030:48:06

So we have to put some of that in.

0:48:060:48:07

There's a school of thought here, some say it goes in later at the end

0:48:070:48:11

and in which case, excuse me - up - file means string

0:48:110:48:14

and it turns into a kind of stringy thing in the pot

0:48:140:48:16

and that goes in at the end.

0:48:160:48:18

Another school of thought says put it in right at the beginning.

0:48:180:48:20

I'm putting it in right at the beginning.

0:48:200:48:22

That feels more comfortable to my European way of cooking things. OK?

0:48:220:48:27

Then we also need, because they like things a little hot,

0:48:270:48:30

but not too hot, and don't forget, Cajun, New Orleans,

0:48:300:48:34

Louisiana cooking is not just a question of chucking in

0:48:340:48:37

a great handful of spice onto something

0:48:370:48:39

which hasn't been properly prepared. The same rules still apply.

0:48:390:48:42

Freshness, honesty, integrity in the ingredients

0:48:420:48:45

and all that kind of thing.

0:48:450:48:46

So a bit of Tabasco or chilli sauce into there.

0:48:460:48:49

OK? And like all sunshine cooking,

0:48:520:48:56

we need some tomato sauce.

0:48:560:48:58

Now this is just simply pureed fresh tomatoes strained through,

0:48:580:49:02

so there's no pips, no skin in them.

0:49:020:49:03

So we'll put a bit of that in.

0:49:030:49:05

Right.

0:49:100:49:12

Now, you'll hear it said the whole time in this programme,

0:49:120:49:16

this Louisiana programme, this New Orleans programme,

0:49:160:49:18

that anything for a gumbo goes. You put in what you like.

0:49:180:49:22

And we're making this for a party, so there are no precise ingredients.

0:49:220:49:25

You can buy my book, if I can be bothered to write it,

0:49:250:49:28

for the exact quantities,

0:49:280:49:29

but it's a party dish, so you just chuck things in.

0:49:290:49:31

Stay there, Clive, I need the fish stock now.

0:49:310:49:34

Right, sorry about this.

0:49:360:49:38

You might get some steam on your lens, I hope you can cope with that.

0:49:380:49:41

The fish stock goes into there.

0:49:410:49:43

You can see the lovely ingredients I've used to make that stock.

0:49:470:49:50

That's trout heads.

0:49:500:49:51

Trout are quite different here from other parts of the world,

0:49:510:49:54

but it is trout for sure.

0:49:540:49:56

And then we have now our basic...

0:49:560:50:00

..our basic gumbo mix.

0:50:000:50:03

You have to take a close-up on that.

0:50:030:50:05

The director has to dream up a lovely cutaway,

0:50:050:50:08

because that must now most simmer for at least 45 minutes

0:50:080:50:11

before I can continue the process.

0:50:110:50:14

Now, 45 minutes has in fact gone by.

0:50:140:50:16

At least 45 minutes has gone by and it's given me time

0:50:160:50:19

for a few arriere-pensees as they say, a few second thoughts.

0:50:190:50:22

What I forgot about was this wonderful chopped

0:50:220:50:25

and smoked Louisiana ham, which they think should go

0:50:250:50:28

into a file gumbo, even if it is basically a fish one.

0:50:280:50:32

Also I forgot this lovely andouille,

0:50:320:50:35

which is a kind of spicy smoked sausage.

0:50:350:50:37

We'll pop a bit of that in as well. OK? That's for sure.

0:50:370:50:40

The other thing is we can put these now...

0:50:400:50:43

We can actually put just the shells of the gumbo crabs in

0:50:430:50:47

cos they're going to add more fish flavour to the stew, to the soup,

0:50:470:50:50

so in they go. They're a beautiful colour, aren't they?

0:50:500:50:53

They go in. They will be left in the plate just as a kind of signature.

0:50:530:50:57

You wouldn't actually eat that bit, that's just for flavouring it.

0:50:570:51:00

Then we've got the magnificent shrimps. OK?

0:51:000:51:04

Or prawns, as we call them. Lovely, fat, plumptious fresh crawns...

0:51:040:51:08

Prawns, sorry!

0:51:080:51:09

Oysters, taken out with their juice. In they go. That's the oysters.

0:51:090:51:15

The wonderful crab meat from the Cajun crabs, OK?

0:51:150:51:18

Cos the Americans don't like particularly to eat shells

0:51:180:51:22

and bones and stuff like that,

0:51:220:51:24

so all this stuff is taken out of the shell.

0:51:240:51:26

Then finally we have our crawfish, our crayfish. And in that goes.

0:51:260:51:31

This is a feast for the heart.

0:51:310:51:33

Hold that for a moment while I get the spoon. Stir that in.

0:51:330:51:36

Now we're cooking on gas, as they say.

0:51:370:51:40

But what was it, those of you who were paying attention

0:51:400:51:43

at the beginning of this cooking sketch

0:51:430:51:45

have realised I haven't talked about?

0:51:450:51:48

It is the crawfish boudin.

0:51:480:51:50

This is so stylish, this is a real skin

0:51:500:51:53

and inside is minced-up crawfish, spices, bread and stuff like that.

0:51:530:51:58

And it's really classically French modern cooking.

0:51:580:52:02

But here it is, right in Louisiana.

0:52:020:52:03

So to make this dish absolutely sumptuous

0:52:030:52:06

and really a rock 'n' roll dish, in they go.

0:52:060:52:10

They simmer and poach in there for about another,

0:52:100:52:14

the whole lot, about another 10 minutes.

0:52:140:52:16

The lid goes on.

0:52:160:52:17

The lid goes on and the beat goes on.

0:52:180:52:21

And the next time you see that, we'll be eating it.

0:52:210:52:23

-OK.

-Right.

-We take the top off, put the top down on the floor there.

0:52:250:52:30

And I give you some. Do you want to have this with rice or not?

0:52:300:52:33

-With rice is the traditional way.

-OK.

0:52:330:52:34

With rice was the traditional way for one reason.

0:52:340:52:37

It was a traditional way and rice was a filler.

0:52:370:52:40

Now...

0:52:420:52:44

..you know, one of the things is, with all the shrimp and the prawns

0:52:440:52:48

and the crawfish and everything else,

0:52:480:52:51

it's hard to imagine that anything like this could not taste good.

0:52:510:52:54

-Right.

-So, for yourself, sir.

0:52:540:52:57

VOICEOVER: You see, he couldn't bring himself

0:52:570:52:59

to say that it was absolutely brilliant.

0:52:590:53:00

He was wittering on so much about the American War of Independence

0:53:000:53:03

and stuff like that, he didn't realise

0:53:030:53:05

that my thing was rich and delicious and wonderful.

0:53:050:53:08

He doesn't know that he's free to be edited out.

0:53:110:53:16

And this is a biggie.

0:53:160:53:18

You know, this is a biggie. Here I am. The Queen, I understand...

0:53:180:53:22

VOICEOVER: Here we go again.

0:53:220:53:23

The Queen is watching him in New Orleans.

0:53:230:53:25

He gets this all muddled as well.

0:53:250:53:26

He's talking about New Orleans, not America.

0:53:260:53:29

Who cares about America? We lost the war.

0:53:290:53:30

But they're watching America because we're not part of America,

0:53:300:53:35

you know, and who cares about Andrew Jackson and Pakenham?

0:53:350:53:39

We've forgotten those little things.

0:53:390:53:41

VOICEOVER: Come on, out with it.

0:53:410:53:42

This is good.

0:53:440:53:46

CAJUN MUSIC

0:53:460:53:49

Anyway, back to the bayou where we started

0:53:520:53:55

for a well-deserved glass of fresh air

0:53:550:53:57

and to do a bit of catfish fishing with my crazy chum

0:53:570:53:59

Powerful Pierre, who, by the way, is a real Cajun.

0:53:590:54:01

And also you should know that "Cajun" is

0:54:010:54:04

a corruption of Arcadia, the name given to the French

0:54:040:54:06

who settled in Louisiana after being booted out of Canada by the Brits.

0:54:060:54:10

So there.

0:54:100:54:11

-There is something here, I can feel it.

-Can you feel it?

-Yes.

0:54:170:54:20

That's good. This will be our supper for tonight.

0:54:200:54:22

Yeah. What does "Cajun" really mean?

0:54:220:54:24

Oh, as close as I can tell you about, you know, my family,

0:54:240:54:28

my grandfather... Let's see what you got there.

0:54:280:54:30

Raise it up, let's see how nice it is. Yeah, that's a nice one.

0:54:300:54:35

-Uh-huh!

-A little catfish on a pole.

-Look at that one, huh?

0:54:350:54:38

That looks like a good one there. You see, this one's a nice one.

0:54:380:54:42

What we're going to do, we're going to take the hook out of his mouth.

0:54:420:54:46

We're going to cut the line off and I'm going to clean him

0:54:460:54:49

this afternoon.

0:54:490:54:51

-See?

-That's good.

-About two or three pounds.

-Yeah, yeah.

0:54:510:54:55

That's a little blue cat. It's going to be very tasty.

0:54:550:54:58

CAJUN MUSIC PLAYS

0:55:030:55:06

Hey!

0:55:110:55:12

HE SINGS IN OWN DIALECT

0:55:210:55:24

Pierre likes to dredge bits of catfish in cornmeal,

0:55:430:55:45

season with Cajun spices and then fry them till they're crispy.

0:55:450:55:48

It's delicious.

0:55:480:55:49

Jim, you know, so my people at home can really understand

0:55:540:55:56

what's going on here, I mean, you've got lemons, you've got oranges,

0:55:560:55:59

you've got sausage, celery, sweetcorn. I mean, bell peppers...

0:55:590:56:03

-Bell peppers, garlic...

-Garlic, spices, I mean, crabs.

0:56:030:56:07

Cajuns never throw nothing away.

0:56:070:56:09

Whatever we got left in the refrigerator,

0:56:090:56:11

in the deep freezer,

0:56:110:56:13

or in the cupboard, or in the garden, or whatever.

0:56:130:56:17

Some of them oranges we have left over from Christmas -

0:56:170:56:20

you know, we don't want to throw that away.

0:56:200:56:22

So we'll put it all in the pot and cook it.

0:56:220:56:24

It all adds seasoning.

0:56:240:56:26

Yeah, I mean, that's good, putting it in the pot,

0:56:260:56:28

you can't really call this a pot. You could cook people in this thing.

0:56:280:56:31

I mean, what's the excuse for cooking on this vast scale?

0:56:310:56:34

Oh, that's when have parties down here, we cook big like that.

0:56:340:56:37

We might have boil 500, 600 pounds, 1,000 pounds of crawfish,

0:56:370:56:42

shrimp, some crab, you know? We party hearty.

0:56:420:56:46

You know, we work hard and we play hard.

0:56:460:56:48

MUSIC CONTINUES

0:56:480:56:53

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

0:56:590:57:01

Shake them a little bit there, you know?

0:57:020:57:05

Yes, you can do this at home.

0:57:050:57:07

All you need is a hundredweight of fresh crawfish,

0:57:070:57:09

half of Sainsbury's fruit-and-veg department

0:57:090:57:12

and a 50-gallon oil drum, preferably unused.

0:57:120:57:15

It's just like hee-haw, all the dancing.

0:57:170:57:20

Hey!

0:57:220:57:24

I hate to think how much this lot cost,

0:57:270:57:29

but I was really impressed by the serving arrangements.

0:57:290:57:32

Good, solid serious newspapers are essential for a crawfish boil,

0:57:320:57:35

as is a truck load of iced Dixie beer,

0:57:350:57:38

for this is a traditional Cajun way of making newcomers feel welcome,

0:57:380:57:41

and we didn't set this little party up -

0:57:410:57:43

it was just typically spontaneous Cajun hospitality.

0:57:430:57:46

It's the one place in the world where I DO like to see

0:57:460:57:49

the evening sun go down because that's when your parties begin.

0:57:490:57:53

HE SINGS INDISTINCTLY

0:57:560:57:58

But you know, the other thing about this place is it has really touched

0:58:000:58:03

my heart because despite, you know, my flash approach sometimes,

0:58:030:58:06

I do have one, and things do touch me.

0:58:060:58:08

This does remind me of the Dordogne,

0:58:080:58:10

it does remind me of the Somerset levels,

0:58:100:58:13

it does remind me of Provence.

0:58:130:58:14

I mean, it's not brash and crazy and over the top - it is

0:58:140:58:18

inhabited by people who love the Bayou,

0:58:180:58:21

who care about it, its culture and its food.

0:58:210:58:24

I mean, that's right, isn't it? This is a real, real place.

0:58:240:58:27

Keith, you have to remember...

0:58:290:58:30

..generation after generation of people who come up on

0:58:320:58:35

this bayou and never leave.

0:58:350:58:37

This is a dish of the area.

0:58:370:58:38

Just like you eating this jambalaya today, that's

0:58:380:58:41

how the people feel about their area, you put your heart

0:58:410:58:43

and your soul into it.

0:58:430:58:45

The people you met today in the little while you've been here,

0:58:450:58:49

they consider this their home.

0:58:490:58:51

You know, one thing I've learned about South Louisiana,

0:58:510:58:53

you come in here as a friend, you leave with a friend,

0:58:530:58:57

you come in here as an enemy, you leave as an enemy.

0:58:570:59:01

The people here are real people.

0:59:010:59:04

They do what they can for you,

0:59:040:59:05

they'll give you the shirt off their back.

0:59:050:59:08

The only thing they will ask is one thing -

0:59:080:59:11

that you respect them when you leave.

0:59:110:59:13

Our culture is different,

0:59:130:59:15

we know it's different from anywhere else in the world

0:59:150:59:17

and we thank the good Lord he gave that to us,

0:59:170:59:19

because we are Cajuns - we were born and raised that way.

0:59:190:59:23

I think it is superb, isn't it? I mean, doesn't it say it all?

0:59:230:59:26

I've been around, I am a cynical old fool sometimes.

0:59:260:59:29

This is, you know, Louisiana, this is jambalaya on the bayou -

0:59:290:59:35

it's good.

0:59:350:59:36

Wonderful stuff from Keith there.

0:59:400:59:42

Now, don't go anywhere just yet as there's plenty more still to come

0:59:420:59:45

on today's Saturday Kitchen Best Bites. Coming up...

0:59:450:59:48

Two Michelin-starred heavyweights battle it out in the Omelette

0:59:480:59:51

Challenge, as Kenny Atkinson takes on Shauna Rankin.

0:59:510:59:54

Judy Joo serves the ultimate Korean comfort food -

0:59:540:59:57

she deep-fries chicken drumsticks in a spicy vodka batter

0:59:571:00:00

and serves alongside two delicious dipping sauces and pickled relishes.

1:00:001:00:05

And Al Murray faces his food heaven or his food hell.

1:00:051:00:07

Did he get his food heaven -

1:00:071:00:08

warm treacle tart with soft whipped cream?

1:00:081:00:11

Or his food hell - baked rice pudding with raspberry sauce?

1:00:111:00:14

You're going to have to keep watching to find out.

1:00:141:00:16

Next up is Gennaro Contaldo, who is serving up

1:00:161:00:19

fillets of sole wrapped in prosciutto -

1:00:191:00:21

if he can fillet the sole, that is.

1:00:211:00:23

Welcome to the show. You are a legend.

1:00:231:00:25

Thank you very much indeed.

1:00:251:00:26

I only do it cos you're a legend. What are we cooking?

1:00:261:00:28

We're going to cook this beautiful fillet of sole

1:00:281:00:32

wrapped in prosciutto,

1:00:321:00:33

filled with capers and garlic, and then we're going to cook...

1:00:331:00:36

You're going to do this. ..beautiful sauce of bay leaves.

1:00:361:00:39

Bay leaf sauce? So in the sauce there's bay leaves, white wine,

1:00:391:00:42

-a bit of shallot.

-..a bit of shallot to put it all inside.

1:00:421:00:44

A touch of garlic. If it's not thick enough,

1:00:441:00:47

you just put a little bit of cornflour inside. You'll love it.

1:00:471:00:49

This is the main thing that we need to get on with, to fillet this.

1:00:491:00:52

-I need to fillet the fish... I do that.

-OK.

1:00:521:00:55

Now, for the filling for this, do you want me to do that? Which is...

1:00:551:00:58

-Nah. If you put me half a clove of garlic there...

-Yeah.

1:00:581:01:02

-OK, put all those capers inside.

-Yeah.

-A little bit of salt...

1:01:021:01:05

No, don't put any salt. A little bit of olive oil.

1:01:051:01:08

Let's me do this one. Let me do it.

1:01:081:01:11

To do a nice fish, what you have to do, cut them on the side first.

1:01:111:01:15

You can see. One side. And then you do the other side.

1:01:151:01:20

Now you wait for me, to say, "You can't do it."

1:01:211:01:24

Perhaps you were right. That's it, there you go.

1:01:241:01:27

LAUGHTER

1:01:271:01:29

-Cos in rehearsals he couldn't do it!

-But now...

-Watch your hands.

1:01:291:01:34

Yeah?

1:01:341:01:35

-I'm a chef.

-Yeah, I know.

-I still can't do it!

1:01:351:01:38

LAUGHTER

1:01:381:01:42

That's all right, that's all right,

1:01:421:01:43

you laugh at it, it's already almost there.

1:01:431:01:45

It's OK, almost there.

1:01:451:01:47

-Have you ever tried this recipe before?

-Yes!

1:01:471:01:49

Yes, I have tried this recipe before.

1:01:491:01:52

My God, look at all the stuff there. It's one side first. Come on!

1:01:521:01:58

Come on! Come on! Come on!

1:01:581:02:03

Why you do that to me? Oh, my God.

1:02:031:02:06

You can get your fishmonger to do this, wouldn't you?

1:02:071:02:09

-Oh, yes, I would do that.

-I would, to be honest.

-You obviously do.

1:02:091:02:12

Look at that, the fish is still in one piece. I haven't touched it yet.

1:02:121:02:17

-Oh, look, it's coming out.

-Is it?

1:02:191:02:21

HE SINGS OPENING OF BEETHOVEN'S FIFTH SYMPHONY

1:02:211:02:25

Look, it's fillet! What do you expect? It's a lovely fish.

1:02:251:02:27

There's one. Now you're going to do the other one.

1:02:271:02:29

Oh, you've got to do the other side now!

1:02:291:02:31

The other side - easy-peasy. Again, cut 'em a little bit on the side.

1:02:311:02:35

-Oh, come on!

-I'm scared.

1:02:351:02:38

No, no, don't be scared. I do my way.

1:02:381:02:43

-So, in here, we've got, what, capers...?

-Yeah.

1:02:431:02:45

-..just the garlic, olive oil, and that's it?

-That's it. Oh, God.

1:02:451:02:48

I've got this. The other fillet is done.

1:02:481:02:51

No trouble with all the roe, everything, gone.

1:02:511:02:53

-Mashed all up...

-Yeah.

-..this one.

1:02:531:02:55

Let me just put this one in the dustbin. That's all right.

1:02:551:02:58

-That's that. That's all right.

-That's all right, yeah.

1:02:581:03:01

I'm going to move all of those, look at that, with all the bones out.

1:03:011:03:04

Because then...you skin it as well, don't you?

1:03:041:03:06

Yes, all right, I skin them as well.

1:03:061:03:08

-You wait for me to make a mistake.

-No, no...

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Trust me - we don't have to wait.

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LAUGHTER

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There you are. Got it. Look, look at the way... Pull the skin.

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Oh, fantastic. Out. You just make...

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-This one is done.

-Yeah.

-Don't worry.

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Then I'm going to do... Kevin, we are the best.

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We call that butchering the fish.

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This is...

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-Oh, my God.

-Don't try this at home.

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-I've nearly done it, it's nearly there. Look, it's one more.

-Yeah.

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-Get under it. Come on.

-No, you've done it the other way...

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-I know how to do the other way!

-OK.

-All right, in it goes.

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So, what day do you teach at Fifteen?

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Not when I actually cut a fillet of sole.

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We do it almost, well, about four times a week, sometimes a month.

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It all depends.

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We are very busy for the project with Jamie, Jamie's Italians.

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Yeah, cos you're busy doing those as well at the moment.

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Yeah, it is indeed. We are very, very... Look at that butchering.

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My goodness me. I thought I was the best cleaning fish,

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and look at that.

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-It's done. Now, can you pull one slice of prosciutto there?

-OK.

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Just put them on the side.

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-Because we're going to do one without, for Mel, yeah?

-Yeah.

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-Aw, lovely!

-A nice one there. Look - it's beautiful.

-Thank you.

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Right, you turn this one upside down.

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I get a slice of prosciutto out. Lovely. This is a nice one.

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Then you put them on top easy.

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Just a little bit of one.

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Remove this little bit of roe. The other one.

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Then you go another slice.

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-Can you cook for me?

-You've got the paste that's already in there...

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-Yeah.

-..which is the... which has got the capers.

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You don't need any salt in this cos the capers are quite salty anyway,

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-do you?

-No, no, you don't need it.

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Just put a little bit on top.

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OK, a little blanch of parsley.

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You want a lovely flavour of the sea.

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Can you imagine, the capers, they are growing by the sea.

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-Mel, this is for you - a nice bit without.

-Lovely. Thank you.

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You roll it easy-peasy, you roll it.

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I'll blanch the chives for you,

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which you're just going to use to roll these up.

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-So just literally just the chives go in.

-That's it, do that.

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So, what's 2009 hold for you?

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Cos it started off, didn't it, as a little bit of a disaster?

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-It was indeed.

-In Spain, you went on holiday to Spain for Christmas.

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I was on holiday in Spain,

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and we went out to a beautiful restaurant for lunch...

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-This was Christmas Day, yeah?

-This is Christmas Day.

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We finished about nine o'clock, 10 o'clock at night.

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Couldn't wait to go home.

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By then, we start, I walked through the door,

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and I find that I've forgot my key the other side of the door.

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So we had to call the firemen. So he couldn't come.

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So luckily enough, I find this person in the street to ask

1:06:041:06:08

-if I can find a locksmith...

-On Christmas Day?

-On Christmas Day.

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He said, "My son is a locksmith." I don't believe he was a locksmith.

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Because he come along, he use his credit card...

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-..and he opened the door...

-That's not a locksmith, mate.

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-Is it not a locksmith?

-That's a burglar.

-Oh, my God.

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Yeah, then you put a little bit of olive oil...

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..on top of that.

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-Then...

-So you've tied them up with a little bit of chive.

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With a little bit of chive.

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-Just looks nice.

-OK.

-You put them inside. And...

-In the oven.

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Have you done this one yet?!

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I'm going to do it now, I'm doing it now.

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Can you do me a favour - can you do this one?

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OK, I've got in here.... While I do that, I'll put...

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You've got in there the onions, the bay leaf, the garlic...

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-And the garlic.

-Saute the white wine.

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I can put my hands on top.

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-And this goes straight in the oven for how long, 12 minutes?

-It's cool.

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Anyway, it goes in the oven for about 10-12 minutes.

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-The sole's almost ready.

-And don't forget, all the recipes cooked

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in the studio, including this one from Gennaro, are on our website.

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Go to bbc.co.uk/food.

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So, what's going in the sauce, then?

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Well, inside the sauce is shallot, garlic and the bay leaves.

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Bay leaves, you don't want too much,

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but you want them lovely and fresh.

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-There's the plate.

-Right.

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-And roughly, the fish, what, 10, 11 minutes?

-About 15 minutes.

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-50?

-1-5, 15.

-15.

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Yeah. Just remove it. Oh, my goodness me.

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I am going to go very slowly because this is so wonderful.

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-Mel, this is for you.

-Aw...

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And this one here.

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That lovely bit of sauce and stock.

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Do you want any chopped parsley in the sauce, or not?

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Uh...

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Yeah, why not? Yeah, just put a little bit, a chop, in the sauce.

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What a dish. What a dish!

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Not one that James Martin makes.

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My one is wonderful, it's beautiful.

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Can I just ask, is there a benefit to learning to fillet your own fish?

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Cos when I go to the fish counter, they offer to fillet it...

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As Genaro has just said, really, when it comes to filleting fish,

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-it's practice.

-It's practice.

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It means, you know, I don't fillet fish!

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You didn't see this morning.

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You know, I had all the studio laughing.

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A little bit of olive...

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And then they ask me, "Can I do it for you?"

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-I said, "No, I do it!"

-So remind us what this is again.

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It's fillet of sole wrapped in prosciutto

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and served with a lovely sauce of bay leaves with nice boiled potato.

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Kicking off 2009 with a legend.

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Absolutely superb. Right, over here, come on over, Gennaro.

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-You get to dive into this.

-Lovely.

-Dive into that.

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You get a nice little portion on the side there.

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I know, I've got my own personal one right there.

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-The capers are really nice in there.

-It is indeed.

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Cos you see, the capers and the fish...

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The caper's growing by the sea, on rocks, you know, it is fantastic.

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It's called a sea flavour as well.

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That's why you don't need any salt in there.

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No, you don't need any salt in it.

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-What do we think?

-So good. Oh, I've just dropped it.

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But it's a great dinner party dish, that,

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-cos you can actually prepare it in advance.

-Well in advance,

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you could prepare it well in advance, you know?

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Wrap the sole in prosciutto, leave them inside the fridge, and when

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you're ready, it doesn't take very long cos you only have to bake it.

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-Literally, 10, 11... Happy with that?

-That's my kind of dish.

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-That's your kind of dish?

-Yeah. Oh, lovely.

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Gennaro had nothing to be scared of with Mel B in the studio,

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but that filleting was like something out of a horror film.

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Anyway, now it's time for another classic Saturday Kitchen

1:09:581:10:00

Omelette Challenge, as Kenny Atkinson tries to make it

1:10:001:10:03

onto the leaderboard, and Shaun Rankin tries to make it to the top.

1:10:031:10:07

It's the Omelette Challenge.

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Kenny, there's no point looking at the board

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-cos you're not on it, mate.

-I know...

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And Shaun, pretty respectable time - 24.6 seconds.

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I think you can go quicker in this. Let's put the clocks on the screens.

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You know the story by now - omelette cooked as fast as you can.

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-We need some butter.

-Hold on a minute, I'll get you some butter.

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Right, put the clocks on the screen.

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Are you ready?

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I'll get you some butter. There you go.

1:10:271:10:29

There's no shortage of this stuff here. Are you ready?

1:10:291:10:32

Three, two, one, go.

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Kenny, the idea is not to get disqualified, mate.

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Shaun's doing well.

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He's quick, he's quick. GONG

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That's not an omelette!

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CHUCKLING

1:11:001:11:02

Don't worry, Kenny, just get on the board.

1:11:061:11:09

GONG Yes, we're on it there.

1:11:091:11:10

There we go. Right. Let's have a taste of this sort of stuff.

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It's an omelette - look, it's set.

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It's an omelette and it's still got shell in it - it's lovely.

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Yeah, it's all right. Kenny, a little bit more of an omelette.

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Right, Kenny first.

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-You're on the board, mate.

-Thank you very much.

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You did it in 34.76 seconds,

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which...is about...there. There.

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Shaun Hill, right next to Shaun Hill.

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Pretty respectable time.

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Right, Shaun...

1:11:551:11:57

-Do you think you were quicker?

-Hmm...

1:12:001:12:02

-Maybe.

-You were.

-Fantastic.

-A lot quicker.

1:12:041:12:07

Well, not that much quicker. You did 20.8...

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22.08 seconds,

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so you are just about there, which is a very good time.

1:12:161:12:20

pretty good time.

1:12:201:12:21

Shaun Rankin coming out on top there,

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as Kenny played it safe just to make sure he made it onto the board.

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Now it's over to Judy Joo,

1:12:311:12:33

who's spicing up fried chicken Korean style.

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-Great to have you on the show.

-Thank you.

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-Your first time on.

-Yes.

-Not your first time on television, though -

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-we'll get onto that a little bit later.

-Yeah.

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But your trademark dish, what are you going to do?

1:12:421:12:44

I am making the ultimate Korean fried chicken, and Korean fried

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chicken is not like any other you've ever had.

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It's not like southern fried chicken, it's not like

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Thai chicken wings - it's its own unique dish.

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Right, we've got a lot of people with pens and paper ready

1:12:531:12:56

for this who have been tweeting.

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Why on Earth they've got pens and paper and don't use the internet,

1:12:571:13:00

as they're tweeting, I've got no idea.

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But what does it involve, first of all?

1:13:021:13:04

-Um...

-It's different stages?

-There's many different stages,

1:13:041:13:06

and each stage has a very specific purpose.

1:13:061:13:08

So there's a bit of science going on here, so you have to kind of pay

1:13:081:13:11

attention because the thing about Korean fried chicken is you want

1:13:111:13:14

that deep crack and that kind of stained-glass shell on it -

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that's what makes it different.

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You've got a daikon, or a mooli, which is an Asian radish,

1:13:181:13:21

and that's going to be our little pickle on the side.

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It's a classic pickling liquid, just a bit of tart sweetness

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to cut through the grease when you're eating fried chicken.

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Now, I'm going to use wings.

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-I know in this country you don't eat wings as much as Americans.

-Yeah.

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But in America, we love our wings,

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and it's a big kind of like football thing, a bit of a game-day thing.

1:13:351:13:39

Now, I'm doing a pre-coat, and this starts with some cornflour,

1:13:391:13:42

some salts, some pepper for some flavour,

1:13:421:13:45

and this is really just to dry out the chicken.

1:13:451:13:47

Because you want your chicken to be dry in order to get

1:13:471:13:50

a really nice crispy coating on there and some good browning.

1:13:501:13:54

-So we're going to do this...

-You say that you use the wings.

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Cos last time I was over in America, they deep-fried a whole chicken.

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-Yes!

-A whole chicken!

-Yes, yes, I do that at my restaurant.

1:14:001:14:05

It's amazing.

1:14:051:14:06

It's the best way to cook a turkey too, frying an entire...

1:14:061:14:10

It was for me, I only wanted one portion,

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-and they deep-fried the whole chicken.

-Yeah.

1:14:121:14:14

-It's actually really good because it seals in all that juice...

-Right.

1:14:141:14:18

..which is fantastic, so, anyway...

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The longer you can let this chicken rest, with all this coating on it,

1:14:211:14:25

-the better, so at least an hour. Overnight is probably the best.

-OK.

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And that's going to just make it nice and dry,

1:14:301:14:32

and that also helps the batter stick.

1:14:321:14:34

So, how does Korean food differ from other Asian food?

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Cos, to be honest, I've never tasted Korean food ever.

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-Ever?

-Ever.

-Ever? So this is an education for you.

1:14:421:14:45

-It very much is, yeah.

-Gosh.

-How does it differ?

1:14:451:14:49

Well, it shares the same kind of geography as China and Japan

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because it is a neighbour of China and Japan

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and we have a lot of the same ingredients,

1:14:561:14:58

but we really execute everything in our own way.

1:14:581:15:02

One thing that Korea does love is the chilli, garlic, ginger,

1:15:021:15:06

all these things, but it's not a tropical country, so get away from

1:15:061:15:09

lemon grass, get away from citrus, get away from anything in Thailand.

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-It's north of the equator.

-OK.

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So... Actually, I'm going to go on with my recipe here.

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One of the ingredients that Korea is known for is gochujang.

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This is a fermented chilli paste which is...

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And absolutely fantastic. Do you want to try some?

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Is it like harissa? It's not spicy, is it?

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It's spicy, but it's got a deep earthiness, there's a complexity,

1:15:271:15:30

it's got this, like, umami taste to it which is really nice.

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It's thick, so you can use it in dressings...

1:15:331:15:35

JAMES COUGHS What do you mean, it's not hot?!

1:15:351:15:37

-It's not that...!

-LAUGHTER

1:15:371:15:39

-It's heat with flavour.

-What?

-It's heat with flavour.

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-It's fermented, though - you can taste that.

-It is fermented, yeah.

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And so now I'm making my batter for the fried chicken...

1:15:471:15:50

That's a lot hotter than the one in rehearsal - I'm telling you.

1:15:501:15:53

And I've got some secret ingredients.

1:15:531:15:55

-Do you know what matzo meal is?

-Don't give me any more stuff.

-No?

1:15:551:15:58

What have you got now?

1:15:581:15:59

I'm using matzo meal, which is a Jewish unleavened bread.

1:15:591:16:04

-Now, you guys don't cook with that much in this country.

-Not so much.

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-I don't know...

-Do you guys cook with it?

-You...

1:16:071:16:10

But I'm a New Yorker, so...

1:16:101:16:11

You were talking about kosher salt,

1:16:111:16:13

or you mentioned kosher salt in a recipe.

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Yes, in America we use a lot of kosher ingredients.

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It's got a great grain to it and everything.

1:16:171:16:20

-And I'm just mixing also some...

-Now, although you're a New Yorker...

1:16:211:16:25

-Yes.

-..your restaurant, which has been open, what, 13 days in the UK?

1:16:251:16:28

-Yes!

-You are now officially a UK resident as well.

1:16:281:16:32

I am a UK citizen, yes. I just got sworn in.

1:16:321:16:36

What does that involve? Sorry, but what does that involve?

1:16:361:16:40

-It involves taking a test.

-A test?

-A test. I had to take a test.

1:16:401:16:45

-And I had to study a lot for it.

-What's in the test?

1:16:451:16:50

The test asks you all kinds of questions,

1:16:501:16:53

like, how old do you have to be to deliver milk in the country?

1:16:531:16:57

How many people are in the Welsh Parliament?

1:16:571:16:59

Who are all the patron saints? Et cetera. So it's... Yeah...

1:16:591:17:02

How many people are in the Welsh Parliament?

1:17:021:17:04

I don't really remember.

1:17:041:17:06

I memorised everything and then I kind of forgot it.

1:17:061:17:09

It's kind of gone in that part of your brain

1:17:091:17:11

where you just cram, yeah.

1:17:111:17:13

Did I see you put a different liquid in? What was that?

1:17:131:17:17

-Was it alcohol?

-So, you've made the batter...

1:17:171:17:19

I made the batter and then I've used vodka.

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So vodka, as you know, is an alcohol

1:17:211:17:24

and it kind of prevents gluten from developing so much,

1:17:241:17:28

so that gives you an extra crispy crust.

1:17:281:17:30

And also, because vodka evaporates quite quickly,

1:17:301:17:33

you get a bit more of a drier crust,

1:17:331:17:37

-which is what you really want in Korean fried chicken.

-OK.

1:17:371:17:40

Now, you're going to deep-fry this.

1:17:401:17:42

We've got some already deep-fried in batches,

1:17:421:17:43

-so this gets deep-fried, then.

-Yeah.

1:17:431:17:45

-But the drying of the chicken's quite crucial first.

-Yes.

1:17:451:17:48

Yes, you have to dry it out.

1:17:481:17:50

And I'm deep-frying it.

1:17:511:17:53

OK. Now, tell us about the restaurant, then,

1:17:531:17:54

because it's, well, based in London. Tell us about it.

1:17:541:17:58

It's in Soho on Kingly Street.

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It's a pedestrian-only street

1:18:001:18:02

so there's a lot of people hanging outside, it's got a good vibe,

1:18:021:18:05

we have got a DJ going on on certain nights.

1:18:051:18:08

It's a lot of fun, you know.

1:18:081:18:10

It's been killing me, I'd have to say.

1:18:101:18:13

I feel like I'm half dead. But it's fun.

1:18:131:18:18

I'm going to add a little bit more water here.

1:18:181:18:20

And of course, I said, at the top of this, you were familiar with

1:18:221:18:25

television, because you've got your Korean TV show as well.

1:18:251:18:28

Yes, I do, it's Korean Food Made Simple.

1:18:281:18:30

It's 10 episodes and I'm travelling all around Korea,

1:18:301:18:33

doing a travelogue as well as cooking back in my home kitchen

1:18:331:18:37

and teaching everybody about Korean ingredients

1:18:371:18:39

and how to make things at home in a simple way.

1:18:391:18:43

So, what's the key to it, then?

1:18:431:18:44

Cos this is the first time I have ever cooked Korean food...

1:18:441:18:46

Yeah. You know what, I would say the key is

1:18:461:18:51

really not to take it too seriously.

1:18:511:18:54

There are no rules in cooking

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and if it tastes good, it's fine, just go with it,

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and you could really just make up your own things.

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And I don't care if it's not entirely authentic.

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You know, you can really just...

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So, explain to me, I've got two sauces -

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one I'm about to start and this one.

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So this is the one that I've got with the majority of soy in here,

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which I'm just thickening with a bit of cornflour in there as well.

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We've got ginger, garlic...

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-What else have we got in there? Is that soy sauce?

-Soy sauce.

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You've got some cornflour to thicken things up.

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-And a lot of sugar.

-A lot of sugar.

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Korean food always has a bit of sugar and sweetness to it.

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I'm just trying to...

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So, tell me about this one that I'm about to do now, then.

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This one is the gochujang glaze. This adds a bit of heat.

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I'm glad you said that and not me.

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And the gochujang is the Korean fermented chilli paste.

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-Right, OK, so that's all about...

-So just mix it all together.

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..this harissa sort of paste.

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It's kind of like harissa, but it's a bit thicker.

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-Mix it all together.

-I'll get more out of it.

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More to get out of that, yeah, with a spatula.

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A bit of soy sauce.

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-There we go. Sugar.

-Yeah.

-Ooh! Bubbling away.

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What's that you've got in there?

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That is rice vinegar and some sesame oil.

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We're working an appetite up over here.

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Yeah, you've got the garlic and the ginger going in here.

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-I'll pop that in there.

-Yeah.

-That's gone in.

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These are the classic ingredients.

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What is that paste made out of? Is it tomato-based?

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No, no, no, there's no tomato.

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This is made from Korean chillies, which are their own chillies.

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The Portuguese missionaries came over with them

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when they were travelling with Japanese troops, and they stuck

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with a vengeance, and Koreans just fell in love with the chillies.

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And it's one of the staple ingredients.

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So these are really classic, classic Korean ingredients here.

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We have ginger, garlic, we've got chillies, we've got mirin,

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we've got a bit of sugar,

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-so it's very, very, very balanced, which is great.

-OK.

1:20:471:20:50

Right, I'll put the sesame seeds over the top.

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Dark sesame seeds in this one.

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You've got the chicken we were about to...

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I'll leave that one frying because that's going to...

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Yeah, that one's going to take a little bit longer.

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-So we've got the sauces, one of each, in here.

-Yeah.

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-And that's the thick and spicy one.

-And...

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-So when you're ready with the chicken...

-Yeah.

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..it'll be good to go.

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I take it this is a big sort of sharing dish,

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then, is it, in the restaurant?

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It is a big sharing dish, which is fun.

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-We've got some chives on the plate also.

-I'll do that.

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This one's thickened with the little bit of cornflour as well.

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-This is a little bit... That's almost ready.

-Chives on there.

-Yeah.

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There you go. Now, if people have run out of pen and paper,

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cos there's a lot of ingredients go in there,

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-the recipe is, of course, on our website, so...

-There we go.

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It's a bit stuck on the bottom there, but that's fine.

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I'll pop a few of these on. I'll bring them across for you.

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-That's good.

-There you go.

1:21:491:21:50

-Right, so these go on.

-So, give us the name of this dish, then.

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This is the ultimate Korean fried chicken with two sauces,

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the red and the black, and the pickled daikon on the side.

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Sounds pretty good to me.

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Right, you get to dive into this one as well. So...

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-..have a taste of that.

-Whoa.

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-Michael, go.

-Yeah.

-So that's the hot...?

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-Well, it doesn't matter, does it?

-Yeah, take those ones, yeah.

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Dive into those.

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This batter's immense, isn't it?

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It's that hard kind of batter that you get the good crunch into.

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And it's nice and moist inside as well.

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That's what kind of seals it, so, yeah.

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-And dive into the sauce as well.

-Those sauces are just fantastic.

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I like to mix the two sauces together.

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It's a great dish. There you go.

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The ultimate comfort food there

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and the perfect dish to warm those cold winter nights.

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Now, when the pub landlord Al Murray came into the studio to

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face his food heaven or food hell, he told us

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he was giddy for golden syrup but repulsed at the thought of rice.

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Two sweet treats on the menu,

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but which one will it be - heaven or hell?

1:23:051:23:08

Right, it's time to find out whether you sent Al

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to food heaven or food hell.

1:23:101:23:11

Al, just to remind you, your version of food heaven would be this.

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Yeah, Golden syrup. Look at that. Phwoar.

1:23:141:23:16

Which I could turn into treacle tart.

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A beautiful British pint of golden syrup.

1:23:181:23:19

-Alternatively it could be this stuff over here - the dreaded rice.

-Err...

1:23:191:23:23

-Rice pudding?

-Rice pudding, though...

1:23:231:23:25

How do you think the viewers have done?

1:23:251:23:27

-Well, I don't know, I've no idea. Do the public love me?

-Uh...

1:23:271:23:32

-No.

-Ah!

1:23:331:23:35

No, they love you, but don't love golden syrup,

1:23:351:23:37

so get rid of that, guys. They've gone for food hell.

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Rice, rice, baby. OK, right.

1:23:401:23:42

-With 58%, so it was quite close.

-Oh, it was close.

1:23:421:23:45

Raymond, if you can get on and do the raspberries,

1:23:451:23:47

-that would be great.

-OK, tres bien.

-If you can saute them.

1:23:471:23:49

We're just going to do a quick and simple warm raspberries.

1:23:491:23:52

We've got some raspberries, icing sugar,

1:23:521:23:54

a touch of water there, warm them up.

1:23:541:23:55

Now, for our rice pudding, what I've got here -

1:23:551:23:57

-I've got some Thai jasmine rice.

-Ooh, get you.

-Oh, yes.

1:23:571:24:01

Well, you were coming, though we'd blow the budget and all that.

1:24:011:24:04

Instead of pudding rice, we've got some Thai jasmine rice.

1:24:041:24:06

Now, the secret, I think, with rice pudding,

1:24:061:24:08

is just gently wash the rice first.

1:24:081:24:10

-See how much starch is coming out there?

-Incredible.

1:24:101:24:12

With pudding rice in particular,

1:24:121:24:13

it can be very, very thick and stodgy for rice pudding.

1:24:131:24:16

To stop that, just wash it slightly,

1:24:161:24:18

then into there now we're going to put some double cream.

1:24:181:24:21

-Just a small amount.

-Yeah.

-The sort of low-fat food, you know?

1:24:211:24:24

After I've had that broccoli soup with the cream...

1:24:241:24:27

-You can give that a quick stir.

-Yeah, OK.

-That's light and healthy.

1:24:271:24:30

Mark's buttered our dish there.

1:24:301:24:32

And Raymond is just sauteing off the fruit.

1:24:321:24:35

A little bit of icing sugar, a touch of berries, some raspberries.

1:24:351:24:38

Raspberries are really good anyway, aren't they?

1:24:381:24:40

A bit of Kirsch would be very nice with that.

1:24:401:24:42

We haven't got Kirsch, Raymond, so you'll have to use water.

1:24:421:24:45

There you go. You've blown the budget with your black truffle.

1:24:451:24:48

And then we've got some sugar.

1:24:481:24:50

What sort of a man has a black truffle in his pocket permanently?

1:24:501:24:52

Don't ask him, don't ask him. I don't know.

1:24:521:24:55

-A touch of that. If you can split me a vanilla pod as well.

-Yeah.

1:24:551:24:58

So, Mark's got a vanilla pod there.

1:24:581:24:59

It's important to buy Bourbon vanilla pod.

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Bends without it snapping, you see? Nice and fat one.

1:25:011:25:04

That's an unusual name, Bourbon vanilla pod, isn't it?

1:25:041:25:07

Comes from Madagascar, vanilla pods. There we go.

1:25:071:25:09

-We've got some nutmeg.

-Yeah.

-Freshly grated nutmeg, which I love.

1:25:091:25:13

Do you like rice pudding, Raymond, are you a big fan?

1:25:131:25:15

I love it completely.

1:25:151:25:17

Mine is the best in the world, OK? I cook it for about six hours.

1:25:171:25:20

Oh, of course it is.

1:25:201:25:22

It's absolutely amazing, I love it completely.

1:25:221:25:24

There we go. Straight in there.

1:25:241:25:26

Including the pod, throw the whole lot in.

1:25:261:25:28

-Now all we're doing is taking...

-I will give you a good recipe

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because I found that completely wasteful - you know that?

1:25:301:25:33

No, you can stick that in there and take it out afterwards.

1:25:331:25:35

You can cure it with a bit of syrup, you've got to use 100%...

1:25:351:25:39

That's terrible.

1:25:391:25:40

Raymond, put that in your pocket with the truffle and take it home.

1:25:401:25:43

Right, we're just going to...

1:25:441:25:46

Basically, what you want to do is just warm this up.

1:25:461:25:48

So don't allow it to boil too much.

1:25:481:25:50

Just warm it up, and then Mark's there, got a butter dish

1:25:501:25:53

and we take the whole lot.

1:25:531:25:54

See, there's quite a small amount of rice...

1:25:541:25:56

-There's not very much.

-..for that liquid,

1:25:561:25:58

-But it will absorb in nicely.

-You want...?

-No, no, no, no.

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But the secret of this is to gently cook it, I find,

1:26:021:26:06

so gently cook it in an oven.

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I always find, rice pudding, when it's cooked on the stove,

1:26:081:26:10

can be quite thick and heavy.

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I always think rice pudding's better in the oven

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cos you've got that skin on the top, which I love, the skin over the top.

1:26:141:26:17

But pop it in the oven, which we've got over here.

1:26:171:26:20

Now, this goes in about 350 Fahrenheit,

1:26:201:26:22

so about 160 degrees centigrade,

1:26:221:26:24

and it needs to cook for about 30-40 minutes, something like that.

1:26:241:26:28

-And you end up with this really rich...

-Mine cooks for three hours.

1:26:281:26:32

Wait a minute - you put that in the oven

1:26:321:26:34

long before the phone vote was...

1:26:341:26:35

You get up in the morning, the first thing you do is your rice pudding,

1:26:351:26:38

come back for lunch and it's ready.

1:26:381:26:40

And I've got the vanilla pod... There you go.

1:26:401:26:43

And Raymond, you can take that home as well. There you go.

1:26:431:26:46

Look at that, what a waste. You should be shot, James.

1:26:461:26:48

-Come on! It's delicious.

-Completely.

1:26:481:26:50

If you were in my kitchen, you wouldn't last two minutes.

1:26:501:26:52

LAUGHTER

1:26:521:26:54

I applied for a job but you didn't have me when I was 16.

1:26:541:26:57

Well, I knew something, definitely.

1:26:571:26:59

What about him and his omelette, though? There we go, right.

1:26:591:27:02

So, icing sugar rather than brown sugar.

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And icing sugar, if you caramelise it with icing sugar,

1:27:051:27:07

you almost get this sort of mottled-y sort of texture to it.

1:27:071:27:13

But also, with icing sugar, the great thing about this, when

1:27:131:27:15

you caramelise anything, like on a lemon tart or anything like that,

1:27:151:27:18

you don't taste the grains -

1:27:181:27:19

you just taste the sugary-ness and the caramel.

1:27:191:27:22

So just over the top of there. Look at that!

1:27:221:27:26

Delicious. There we go.

1:27:271:27:29

We've got a spoon there. And all we do now is...

1:27:291:27:32

-That looks lovely.

-It does looks good.

1:27:321:27:34

That looks creamy and delicious.

1:27:341:27:36

Creamy. Delicious. There you go.

1:27:361:27:39

Dolloped on the side of there.

1:27:401:27:42

A little bit more on there.

1:27:421:27:45

And then we've got some of these lovely warm raspberries.

1:27:451:27:47

-I will just do them whole...

-Yeah, yeah, delicious.

1:27:471:27:50

Again, just nice and simple like that.

1:27:501:27:52

You can do a strawberry sauce with it, if you want, but that,

1:27:521:27:54

I just think, is delicious.

1:27:541:27:56

Girls? Look at them, they're all ready.

1:27:561:27:58

Bring over the glasses. Dive in.

1:27:581:28:00

-That's your idea of food hell, would you believe.

-Eating irons.

1:28:001:28:03

-I can't believe it, but there you go.

-Well, yeah...

1:28:031:28:06

Girls, have you got some irons there? Raymond, dive in.

1:28:061:28:10

We've got some wine to go with this, as always.

1:28:101:28:14

-But James, I'm quite amazed...

-Cheers!

1:28:141:28:17

LAUGHTER

1:28:171:28:19

What are you quite amazed about?

1:28:211:28:23

The recipes are so simple, they are so accessible,

1:28:231:28:27

yet there's some many of these wonderful cookery shows,

1:28:271:28:30

yet nobody cooks at home - can you tell us why?

1:28:301:28:33

-Cos they're all watching television.

-Exactly!

1:28:331:28:37

-Has it changed your mind about rice, Al?

-Absolutely.

1:28:371:28:40

That.. That is the best rice pudding I've ever eaten.

1:28:401:28:43

-"Best rice pudding I've ever eaten"!

-That is unbelievably good.

1:28:431:28:46

But it's nice with the raspberries.

1:28:461:28:47

The raspberries just cut through, adds a little bit of sharpness.

1:28:471:28:50

-Raymond's raspberries, I think, are the clincher.

-Oh, they would be!

1:28:501:28:53

I don't think rice was really Al's food hell.

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After proclaiming that was the best rice pudding he'd ever eaten,

1:29:001:29:02

I think, to be honest, he would've been happy with any pudding.

1:29:021:29:05

Anyway, I'm afraid that's all we've got time for this week.

1:29:051:29:08

I hope you've enjoyed taking a look back through

1:29:081:29:10

the Saturday Kitchen archives and, as always, if you want to give

1:29:101:29:12

any of the studio dishes a go, head over to the BBC website.

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Enjoy the rest of your weekend, and I'll see you next time.

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