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Host Matt Tebbutt is joined by chefs Tonia Buxton and Fernando Stovell, plus Silent Witness actress Liz Carr. There are also great moments from the BBC food archive.


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It's time for 90 minutes of sizzling hot sensational food!

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I'm Matt Tebbutt and this is Saturday Kitchen Live.

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We've got some absolutely outstanding dishes

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Making her debut on the show, Tonia Buxton is creating a fantastic

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Greek feast and Fernando Stovell is dishing up his take

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on contemporary European cuisine with a Mexican twist.

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Your first time here, are you nervous? A little.

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What are you making for us? It is lamb kofta with spicy tahini dip.

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Nice. Is that party food? Finger food? You can make it into finger

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food or burgers. It is versatile. And Fernando? I am making

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char-grilled, grain fed Lake District beef fillet, brassicas,

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truffle marsh and ox tail jus. Is it a Mexican take? No, it is 100%

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British. That looks very British? I am half British half Mexican.

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So looking forward to celebrating both.

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And we've got some brilliant clips from some of the BBC's biggest

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food stars: Rick Stein, Nigel Slater, The Hairy

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Our special guest today is an actress, award winning

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She's currently starring in the hit BBC series Silent Witness, please

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welcome the hugely talented Liz Carr!

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Liz, good to have you here! Liz, hugely talented! Nice to have you

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here. Good to be here.

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Now, we are talking about all things Silent Witness. You have been there

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a long time? Five years. But, importantly, you are going to face

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your food heaven and food hell? Yes. What is your food heaven? It is the

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crab. I become a different person when eating it. It is like a craft

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and activity. I like doing something! But always a bit risky

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but I Reich that. Also an excuse to have hot butter. I like that, pretty

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much any seafood, apart from oysters.

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My hell is keen war. Why? I mean the word for a start is

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enough. It is already up itself! So it already knows, it's an arrogant

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food. -- Quinoa. I didn't like it for that

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reason. Plus, it is healthy. I don't like superfoods or raw foods. I like

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foods, I know I possibly don't look it! But let's get it out there, I do

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love a good meal but I can't put weight on.

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Some people think that is a blessing.

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So, for your food heaven I am making crab claws.

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For your food heaven I am going to make deep fried crab claws

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I'll mix prawns, ginger and garlic together and then wrap this mix

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around the crab claws and deep fry, and serve with ravioli filled

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with crab meat and Nduja paste in a crab stock with coriander.

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Nduja piece is a spicy sausage. You like that? Sounds great.

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But if you get hell, then it will be quinoa.

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A 'healthy eating' dish of quinoa, raw kale, chickpeas,

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which I'll dress with a peri-peri sauce and serve with slices

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of chargrilled pork shoulder and scatter over fresh nuts,

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But you'll have to wait until the end of the show to find

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If you'd like the chance to ask any of us a question today then call:

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If I get to speak to you, I'll also ask you if Liz should

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face her food heaven or her food hell.

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You can also get in touch with social media using

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What can we do? I will get you to do shopping.

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Can you chop the herbs for me. Sure I am making a simple kofta

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recipe. You can use any meat but lamb is very Greek. To that I am

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adding a sweet potato. Is this a traditional recipe? It is

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quite traditional. But the way I look at thing, you have to keep

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traditional but use the ingredients that you have in the country you are

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in. So maybe in Greece we don't use sweet potato so much as we can't get

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it there but I like sweet potato, so I decided to Serb it up a little

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bit! Great. I do like coriander.

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So this is very Hershey? You want lots of herbs, and spice and

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flavour. If you imagine in Greece, the taste of the herbs, it is

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amazing. They are grown in sun light, unlike the herbs you grow on

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your window sill here. They do taste well but not the same.

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Are you in Greece a lot? Yes. I cook at a real The Real Greek restaurant.

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We have been sourcing produce from small producers. So we have been

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using wines from Greece, from Santorini, looking at herb producers

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and bean producers. It is a very exciting time. Go think Greek food

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is well represented in London? Or getting there? It's getting there.

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It's getting there. I'm using a garlic marsher. Don't look! Is that

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a favourite of yours? It is because it is fast. When you are cooking at

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home, I'm a mum, I cook for four, this is easier than chopping. Not

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that I have anything against the way you do it but I prefer my moment.

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That is fine. It is your moment. Instead of using meat can you use

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fish? You can, tuna, white fish, which I sometimes steam off.

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You can do it all very quickly and throw whatever you want in.

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Sometimes if I have left over broccoli, I even add that in.

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Greek yoghurt? Seriously, now, is there another type of yoghurt that

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is worthy apart from Greek yoghurt?! It is high in nutrients, it is the

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best flavour in the world. Is that your stance on Greek food?

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The thing is that the Greeks have been here since 1600 BC, and

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anything you do, it is all Greek, even from the Italians, it has all

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been copied from the Greeks. I could have an argument with that?

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I have fantastic arguments with the Italians.

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The Italians are very good at that. During the classical Greek empire,

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the Romans came after, they stole our recipes and ideas, that is where

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a lot of their cocking comes from. You see yourself as the dad on My

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Big Greek Wedding. You are the dad, Gus. Do you

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remember the line? Don't worry, I cook lamb! I have a story about

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that. My brother brought a friend back. She insisted that she feed

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him. I said, did you like the ribs, that he had there but he had been

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vegan for five years. Right, I need favour, I need you to

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make these up while I make the Tahini.

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And you also rot a book that claimed that Greek food was good for your

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sex life? I knew that would come up! I wrote a book all about healthy

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eating and how to improve your lives through eating healthy. One of the

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chapters, was to eat Greek for a week to improve your libido! And it

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can! So, what went into this? We have sweet potato, parsley,

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coriander, mint, dried cumin and fresh coriander and cumin, salt,

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purpose and pork and no, lamb! Lamb! My goodness! So, in here I am making

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a Tahini sauce. We have three tablespoons of Tahini, a pinch of

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salt and garlic and lemon juice. I almost also adding Greek yoghurt and

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chilli to pimp it up a bit. Greek food in Britain now has such a

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good name, don't you think? Yes. Every single one of the chefs in

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every single restaurant has a Greek style of something. So I think we

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have done a good job of getting Greek food out there.

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It is becoming more widespread? Yes, and appreciated. Before you would

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think of a greasy kebab with garlic sauce and chips on top but actually

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Greek food has a lot of vegan and vegetarian recipes. We are working

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on lots of vegetarian recipes, at The Real Greek, because of the Greek

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fast that is coming up. You told me of this earlier, I

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thought Greek was a meat-based diet? It is now that they are wealthier,

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in my mother's day, they could not afford it, it would be a very

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vegetarian style cooking. If you'd like the chance to ask any

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of us a question today then call: Calls are charged at your

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standard network rate. There are lots of people on social

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media are saying that pronunciationst of kofta is pretty

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terrible. Well, to see it in the Greek way it

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is said... And apparently Nduge is wrong as well.

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How do you say it? Nd you cans uge... I don't know, I'm from Wales!

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Now, I just need to taste this before I serve it.

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OK, did you put chilli in the Tahini as well? Yes, sir, I'm putting

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chilli in. How long are these in for, Tonia? 20

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minutes in a hot oven. That should do them. Depending on the size. If

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they are burger size a little more, if they are smaller a little bit

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less. Shall I start to plate them up?

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Could you, I will add some more lemon juice to my Tahini sauce.

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These are so simple, versatile but what makes them is the Tahini sauce.

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I like the idea of calamari. Calamari, you can use the egg to

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bind it. I want to go back to the pronounce

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air strikes Fernando... Calamari! Yes, with the hands! I am my

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mother's daughter, what can I say! -- pronounciation We have done this

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in fancy way with the lettuce but you can put them in a wrap or a

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burger. Whatever you fancy.

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Right, beautiful. Remind us of what this is? In your best Greek... Lamb

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kofta with spicy tahini dip! Very nice, very nice! Right, let's see

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what Liz thinks. Right, here we are, Liz.

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After telling me before going on air, you were not massively keen on

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meat. But, lamb is my Sunday lunch.

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Oh, is it? Yes, I do love it. Knife and fork or fingers? I think

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if you are doing it the Greek way, it would be with the fingers. Well,

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I will do it the Greek way. This is what the Mexicans copied the

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Greeks to make! Everything stems from the Greek! Susie Barrie is

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picking up the wine this week, she's in Hayesle mere.

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She's in Haslemere, but before she made her choice she visited

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Today I'm at the incredible sculpture Park in the rolling Surrey

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Hills. Before I choose this week's winds and going to get my culture

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fix and check out some of the 600 sculptures on display.

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In the depths of January, what could be better than a taste of summer,

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which is exactly what Tania has dished up for us with her delicious

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lamb kofta. And if we are talking summer, one option surely has to be

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a glass of rose, something like this Peter O'Dwyer which works

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brilliantly with lime. But there's much more to this day stand just

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lamb. With the tangy dip and the crunchy lettuce and not to mention

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the lovely fresh herbs, we are actually in white wine territory.

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And so I've chosen the thoroughly Mediterranean 2015 Atlantis

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Santorini. A little-known secret that the beautiful Greek island of

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Santorini produces stunning white wines, largely based on the local

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grape variety. These are world-class white wines. Ooh, that's a wonderful

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combination of white peach fruit with lemon zest and then heady wild

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herbs. It really is summer in a glass. There's plenty of sun ripened

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fruit here to balance the savoury lamb and the spicy dip. But it's

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also fresh and dry and pithy enough to cut through the rich elements of

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the recipe. And finally a salty, sea breeze tang, very typical of this

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grape variety. If you close your mind for a moment it almost

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transports you to that island in the sun. Thank you, Tonya, for bringing

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a flavour of Simon Marcil to this chilly January morning, and for

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giving me an excuse to do exactly the same. STUDIO: How are you liking

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that? I really liked this wine and I love the fact she got a great

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variety indigenous to Greece. And Santorini is renowned for its wine.

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In order to grow vines, it is so harsh, they have to grow them in a

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basket so the grapes grow inside and the vines are outside and the leaves

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are on top protecting from the winds and harsh conditions. Really? Can

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you get hold of Greek wine quite easily? It's difficult, but we are

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starting to bring more and more over and that's one of the things I'm

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interested in doing, supporting local suppliers. You can get it in

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some of the larger supermarkets. Have you tried that? I have. How is

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it? It's nice. I'm not really a big wine drinker. You're not really a

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big wine drinker? Yeah, the red meat thing, now the wine. All wine tastes

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a bit the same to me. Sacrilege! Cuts the acidity and the fact must,

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delicious. Impressed with that. What are you doing later? My take on beef

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Wellington. How are you with pastry? The pastry sounds great! I'm joking.

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And there's still time for you to ask us a question.

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We're going to need your calls by 11am, please.

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Time now to join Rick Stein, on his trip around the Far East.

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He's in Cambodia visiting a coconut farm to before whipping up

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Marco Polo said he preferred coconut milk to wine. I wouldn't go as far

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as that but I recall a saying from the South Pacific, a man who plans

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coconut plants food and treat, vessels and clothing, home for his

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family and heritage for his children. Coconut is also the

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foundation of this lovely dish made predominantly with pork and

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pineapple. First I chopped some shots. This is fresh turmeric and I

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must say it's a bit of a revelation to me. I'm just used to using the

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powdered stuff, but it's so wonderfully fragrant. And it's the

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main constituent of the Cambodian curry paste, the other being lemon

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grass. One of the things I've really learnt about my journey through the

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far east is that these pastes are so important. You've got various

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different pastes in Cambodia, Thailand, red curry paste, green

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curry paste, in Indonesia you've got the basic curry paste the use

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everywhere, and in Malaysia, they are all different. The trouble with

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turmeric of course is that you walk around for days with yellow fingers,

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it looks like you are a chain smoker. So all this lemongrass, lime

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zest, can feel lime leaves, turmeric, all go into my trusty food

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processor along with a drop of water, some salt and of course the

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all-important shrimp paste. In Cambodia they use a mortar and

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pestle but that would take a long time to pound down into a paste. And

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this, after all we are in the West, is the quick way of going about

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things. Oh well, plainly taking your time is the best thing, and cooking

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should never be rushed. I have to admit I made a bit of a mistake,

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apart from burning out my grinder, and also cut the lemongrass too

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long, and it's really woody. The reason I did that is because in

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Cambodia they use the whole thing but it's not as dry, I think. But we

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all live and learn, even me. Now I great the fresh coconut which is so

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important to this dish. You get a lovely subtle background flavour and

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it sickens me sauce. I fry off the pork which is very lean. People

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don't like the idea of pork stew but when you come to pork curry,

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anything with lots of spice in it, it's a whole different manner. They

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use pork a lot in south-east Asia. I think the point is, because there is

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so much aromatic flavour going with it, it works a treat. Also anything

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sharp works really well with pork. The fact we've got pineapple in this

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makes it very satisfying. And I'm using grated coconut to thicken the

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curry at the end. The secret to all this cooking in this part of the

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world is the curry paste. It transfers any cut of meat or fish

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into something exotic. I must say I'm very happy about this because I

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was a bit worried about that lemongrass, it hadn't sort of been

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pulverised enough with the mortar and pestle, but I think it looks

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quite rugged. There I say it it looks a bit bloke-y. I don't like

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things too neat and tidy. After one hour the pork should be nice and

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tender. Looks extremely nice and it's smelling wonderful. Now I'm

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going to add the grated coconut. You don't need a lot of it but as I said

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earlier you can see how it binds the dish together and it tastes so good.

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These are tiny aubergines, but they are still quite unusual in the UK. I

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have to say I got these in Saint Austell, of all places. Things are

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changing. The little tiny ones, you might have seen them, they are

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called pea aubergines, partly because they are so small, and they

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are a little firmer than normal. I'm going to put them in the curry and

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they'll be done in about ten minutes. These little aubergines are

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really nutty and they stay firm in contrast to the pineapple which

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softens and gives so much sweetness to the dish. I suppose you could use

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pins but they are so easy to buy fresh and they make the kitchen

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smell so good. And now coconut milk. People often ask me what the

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difference in Cambodian food, what makes it so special? I think this

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dish says it all. It's incredibly fragrant, it's really rich, with the

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yellow turmeric colour it's lovely. And actually it's not particularly

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hot, and that is a typical characteristic of Cambodian food.

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They always serve lots of Chile of course, but the dishes themselves

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are not searingly hot. At its very fragrant, and if you compare this

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with something like a sort of curry from northern India, this is sort of

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light and floury. And the other ingredients, the coconut, those

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little aubergines, and the pineapple. And I'm going to finish

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off with some tamarind, fish sauce and palm sugar, everything that

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actually grows in Cambodia. Take a little bit more. It's very

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concentrated, fish sauce. I don't need to put much in, probably about

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another teaspoon. And now for some palm sugar. You always get that

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combination of sweet and sour in both Thai, Vietnamese and Cambodian

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cooking. Teaspoon, maybe a bit more, I'm just guessing. The tamarind has

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an acid flavour which adds so much fresh tartness to the dish. I'm

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using BCF to pulp without the seeds. It's such an important part of the

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cooking -- I'm using the sieived pulp without the seeds. It's a

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combination of the fish sauce, tamarind and sugar, it's easy.

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That's what's so nice about south-east Asian food, it is so

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easily put together. Get the basil in and we are done. All that's left

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now is to allow these fresh leaves to wilt into the dish. There's an

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old saying that you should always tear basil and never cut it. I think

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it's because steel blackens the cut edges. I'm using holy basil here,

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with its incense like smell, many people consider it to have religious

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significance. Finally, because it's a mildly spiced and fruity curry, I

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had a few little red jewels of finely chopped chilli. And that's

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it. He's back next week with more foodie

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stories from the far east! Rick cooked a very traditional

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coconut and pineapple curry and I'm now going to use coconut

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and pineapple in a very I'm going to make coconut tart. I

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resurrected this from a dish I used to make a long time ago, from the

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90s, from the sugar club, and I've forgotten his name, it's gone

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completely out of my head but I'll come back to you in a minute. That's

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terrible. Recapture. I'm going to make coconut tart and a little

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caramel with some pineapple and some chilli, star anise and vanilla.

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Peter Gordon, there you go. That's live for you. Let's make this

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caramel. Now, Liz, tell me about Silent Witness. I've been in it for

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five years, the character is good at forensics, quite sarcastic, as you

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might gather. Very cutting. It's not a massive acting leap. It's not a

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big stretch? It's not, to be fair. I'm kind of gauging that. She made

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perfect sense to me. I find her a little bit terrifying? Are you

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finding the terrifying? No, no. You seem slightly on edge. This is not

:27:39.:27:49.

that easy! I've noticed. Although I make it look easy, yes, thank you, I

:27:50.:27:53.

think that's what you meant. But she really knows her stuff and she takes

:27:54.:27:57.

apart all the rest of the characters? She does. How do you

:27:58.:28:02.

swot up on that? You just learn the script, really. And if you really

:28:03.:28:09.

need to know how something works, you do your work, you do your

:28:10.:28:11.

investigation, get your own forensics and do it. You have a lot

:28:12.:28:18.

of experts? We do, everything is checked and verified as much as

:28:19.:28:22.

possible. But it is not a documentary, sometimes there is

:28:23.:28:26.

artistic license. You'll notice we don't always wear the latex gloves,

:28:27.:28:30.

we rarely wear the white coats, and that is for the camera's point of

:28:31.:28:35.

view, it looks more interesting. But in terms of doing the forensics it

:28:36.:28:40.

is all real and research and we have them on set advising us at all

:28:41.:28:45.

times. I spoke to my wife last night, very interesting that there

:28:46.:28:47.

has been a huge rise in the number of young girls and women studying

:28:48.:28:52.

forensics and pathology because of these role models they see on TV?

:28:53.:28:58.

Apparently Silent Witness is the longest-running crime drama anywhere

:28:59.:29:01.

in the world, 20th anniversary this year. In that time these programmes

:29:02.:29:12.

like CSI, we are fascinated by forensics. Yes. I can understand

:29:13.:29:17.

that, I think it's brilliant getting more women into science, into

:29:18.:29:20.

universities, absolutely. Got to be a good thing. What can you tell us

:29:21.:29:25.

about the next storyline? I'm so excited. What is always said on the

:29:26.:29:30.

Silent Witness website is, very little is known about Clarissa's

:29:31.:29:33.

past life, and I think that's because they did not know what to

:29:34.:29:38.

say, think they were just being a bit lazy. I just thought they had no

:29:39.:29:42.

imagination, I'll be quite honest, and they weren't very creative.

:29:43.:29:46.

Let's hope they're not watching! I think they are. After five years,

:29:47.:29:54.

come on, she does have a life. So I sort of pushed a bit. So in Monday

:29:55.:30:00.

and Tuesday's episodes we get to meet Clarissa's long-term husband,

:30:01.:30:05.

Max. And will he play a big part going forward? He is, actually. And

:30:06.:30:12.

what's great, through somebody else, we see her different meat, because

:30:13.:30:15.

you are always different with a partner. A softer side? I think you

:30:16.:30:25.

do. A more fun side. She is sarcastic but he makes her laugh in

:30:26.:30:29.

a way the others do, and I think you see a more vulnerable side we have

:30:30.:30:31.

not seen before and that's important. But he comes in as part

:30:32.:30:34.

of a case. Are you all right, there? OK! Normally, they say I'm the fire

:30:35.:30:54.

hazard! Nervous laughter! That will be on the front of the Mail now!

:30:55.:30:58.

Relax, it's fine. OK. Recap. In here is sugar, lemon

:30:59.:31:06.

zest, lemon juice, grated coconut. In here is sugar, a bit of Chinay, a

:31:07.:31:11.

star anise, and vanilla. Beautiful. Looking forward to it.

:31:12.:31:17.

Good. I'm glad you're paying attention.

:31:18.:31:22.

Forensic detail in everything I do! Now, tell bus this, when I read

:31:23.:31:27.

about it, I did chuckle but it is quite dark. Your musical? I have

:31:28.:31:36.

rained am performing in a musical, assisted suicide. It sounds a riot!

:31:37.:31:41.

It is. The most controversial part is probably the title but I have the

:31:42.:31:47.

view whereby I'm opposed to assisted suicide, I have decided I'm a

:31:48.:31:53.

campaigner but Lts I'm a performer and a committeeda, could I combine

:31:54.:32:00.

them? We were at the Royal Albert Hall, oh, my goodness, it went a

:32:01.:32:04.

little wrong technically. Then I was on stage, trying to make it work but

:32:05.:32:09.

we got a standing ovation. It was amazing.

:32:10.:32:12.

Do you prefer the stage stuff to the TV stuff? There is something amazing

:32:13.:32:20.

about getting that immediate feedback. And if you are an extrow

:32:21.:32:28.

verity, it is incredible. If you can make a connection with an audience,

:32:29.:32:32.

either on TV, or live, that is what you aim to do, to impact on people.

:32:33.:32:39.

Are you all right? There is a little bit of stuff on there. Quite a lot

:32:40.:32:49.

down there on your shoes! Have you always enjoyed come Eddy, or did

:32:50.:32:53.

that come from a place where you have to laugh through adversity? I

:32:54.:32:57.

think it's a bit of everything. My mum and dad are very funny. They are

:32:58.:33:07.

a bit Morecambe and Wise. But then my mum is quiet and mild-mannered

:33:08.:33:12.

but comes out with killer lines. So I grew up, I think, with a lot of

:33:13.:33:17.

come Eddy. But you are right, putting people at ease. People are

:33:18.:33:21.

scared around disability. They are not quite sure. There is a lot of

:33:22.:33:26.

ignorance, because we don't see it quite so much or come into contact

:33:27.:33:32.

with it but for me, if you have a joke or whatever, it really does put

:33:33.:33:39.

people at ease. It breaks down barriers? It really

:33:40.:33:43.

does. Just a slice for me. It looks gorgeous.

:33:44.:33:49.

Right, this went in, I shall stop waving this knife around! It's like

:33:50.:33:54.

an episode... But I think we know who did it! Bake in in the oven for

:33:55.:34:01.

40 minutes. Bring it out, let it cool.

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In here is the sauce, the chilli, star anise, vanilla, the aniseed

:34:10.:34:17.

taste, and that's it, right, let's see if you like it.

:34:18.:34:23.

You are funny, you are nervous! Well, I have a sense you are going

:34:24.:34:28.

to be brutally honest, which is never a great thing on live telly!

:34:29.:34:34.

We are just going to go for this. This is really hot. I'm not going to

:34:35.:34:38.

use this one. This is the stuff, it really is.

:34:39.:34:43.

I don't want to scare you but I'm going to stand up. It's not a

:34:44.:34:48.

miracle! She's cured! I'm good but I'm not that good! Oh, my God, she's

:34:49.:34:56.

cured. It's the power of food. Or the power of you, you touched me and

:34:57.:34:59.

I stood. I stood up! Right, OK. It's what I

:35:00.:35:04.

do. There we go. Right, try that.

:35:05.:35:13.

Can I get a drink! Anyone got any more rum?! I really like it.

:35:14.:35:22.

Is it properly nice? I promise you. It is full of sugar and caramel it

:35:23.:35:30.

is breakfast pudding. I'm eating breakfast pudding and drinking wine.

:35:31.:35:35.

I am really happy. Everybody is loving you this morning

:35:36.:35:38.

on social media. Are they? It is quite nice, as

:35:39.:35:42.

everyone thinks I'm Clarissa! It is quite nice, as everyone

:35:43.:35:47.

thinks I'm Clarissa! So what will I be making for Liz

:35:48.:35:49.

at the end of the show? For your food heaven I am

:35:50.:35:52.

going to make deep fried crab claws I'll mix prawns, ginger and garlic

:35:53.:35:55.

together and then wrap this mix around the crab claws and deep fry,

:35:56.:35:58.

and serve with ravioli filled with crab meat and Nduja paste

:35:59.:36:01.

in a crab stock with coriander. But if you get hell,

:36:02.:36:04.

then it will be quinoa. A 'healthy eating' dish of quinoa,

:36:05.:36:06.

raw kale, chickpeas, which I'll dress with a peri peri

:36:07.:36:10.

sauce and serve with slices of chargrilled pork shoulder

:36:11.:36:13.

and scatter over fresh nuts, But you'll have to wait

:36:14.:36:15.

until the end of the show to find And what is happening on the

:36:16.:36:27.

subtitling for quinoa? Apparently they've been coming out as "keen

:36:28.:36:37.

wire"! Now is that good? That was really bad timing.

:36:38.:36:42.

Now it's time to catch up with Nigel Slater who's using up

:36:43.:36:46.

left overs in a chicken and cous cous salad and some

:36:47.:36:49.

Better than quinoa, do you think? Yes! Let's take a look.

:36:50.:37:07.

Heaven is opening the fridge and finding the remains of somebody's

:37:08.:37:11.

roast chicken. In my book, leftovers should be a joy, not a core.

:37:12.:37:20.

With all this chicken, I'm going to make a salad for Monday night. But

:37:21.:37:25.

not just one of those salads that is a bit of left over meat and a few

:37:26.:37:29.

leaf but something really interesting. I wanted to have

:37:30.:37:35.

substance to it. I could use rice, lentil, or cracked wheat but I'm

:37:36.:37:40.

going to use couscous. So my Monday night supper is a warm chicken salad

:37:41.:37:47.

with couscous. As my main grant is the left over chicking, it will need

:37:48.:37:54.

help to make it into a tasty dish. Now these are leftover but it is

:37:55.:37:59.

very important that they don't taste like leftovers. I want something

:38:00.:38:05.

vibrant and bright to shake them up. So I'm making a dressing with citrus

:38:06.:38:12.

juice. Squeeze into a new bowl the juice of two lemons and two oranges.

:38:13.:38:18.

Add some oil and season with salt and pepper. Then I put the dressing

:38:19.:38:23.

on to the couscous and let it soak up. To compliment the tangy dressing

:38:24.:38:29.

add some good-sized chunks of orange. When you use leftovers, the

:38:30.:38:34.

whole generosity thing is important. Otherwise it looks mean, and you're

:38:35.:38:38.

aware it is something you found lurking in the fridge. I want them

:38:39.:38:43.

to be juicy pieces when I'm eating my salad. I always grow fresh herbs.

:38:44.:38:49.

It's really easy to do and it makes such a difference. Chives and basil

:38:50.:38:54.

are ideal for this dish. If you like lots of basil, or you

:38:55.:39:00.

like lots of coriander, then put lots in - it's your supper, it's up

:39:01.:39:06.

to you. Put everything into the same bowl and mix gently, it's that easy.

:39:07.:39:12.

But don't overmix! It's all about the lightness of touch. I'm quite

:39:13.:39:18.

happy with that but I just feel it needs something very lush, and green

:39:19.:39:23.

and fresh-tasting. I have some pea shoots outside. You can grow all

:39:24.:39:28.

sorts of fresh ingredients in pots, that can make a real difference to

:39:29.:39:34.

your dinner, sprouted seeds are one of my favourites. There has always

:39:35.:39:40.

been bean shoots, as well as peas but no-one thought to grow them.

:39:41.:39:48.

They are so easy, pop them in dry soil, water them and a couple of

:39:49.:39:52.

weeks later, you have these wonderful pea shoots. When you eat

:39:53.:39:58.

the pea shoot it is like eating the lovely, fresh, garden pea. It's a

:39:59.:40:04.

wonderful flavour. I could milk them up with the salad but I think it is

:40:05.:40:10.

nice to have them as a bed for the chicken and the couscous, so you

:40:11.:40:14.

find them at the bottom. It is just about adding something really green,

:40:15.:40:25.

and fresh and vibrant. Then add that to the chicken you

:40:26.:40:31.

found in the fridge. You know I really don't mind

:40:32.:40:35.

spending money on food. I'm happy to pay for good food. But I do like to

:40:36.:40:40.

use every little bit of it. I heat the idea of wasting things. There's

:40:41.:40:44.

always something in the fridge that needs using up.

:40:45.:40:49.

I know there's a mashed potato in the fridge. I could put anything in

:40:50.:40:55.

that. I could make them into spicy cakes with just a few onions and

:40:56.:41:00.

some spices. I always seem to have left over marsh in the fridge. So

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tonight I'm going to make bubble and squeak cakes.

:41:06.:41:10.

I want some sort of savoury base for my mashed potato.

:41:11.:41:17.

Simply add spring onions to a hot pan with a good wedge of butter and

:41:18.:41:21.

a drop of olive oil to stop the butter from burning.

:41:22.:41:27.

I want something spicy to off-set the sweet, Buriness of the onions.

:41:28.:41:33.

Not hot, just something warm and aromatic. First up is cardamom.

:41:34.:41:38.

Break out the black seeds and grind them finally. I'm using a pestle and

:41:39.:41:44.

mortar but you could use a plastic bag and a rolling pin. Then follow

:41:45.:41:51.

it with coriander seeds and cumin. I don't want these to be too fine. I

:41:52.:41:56.

don't want them ground to a complete powder. I want the nuttiness and

:41:57.:42:02.

texture in there. I love coming across a bit of coarsely ground

:42:03.:42:06.

spice. I'm just going to pop those in.

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Cook everything together until the onion is a pale golden brown but

:42:16.:42:20.

before they start to burn and crisp up. Mix in the mashed potato and

:42:21.:42:30.

make some little potato cakes. I want them a bit crisps on the

:42:31.:42:35.

outside, so they are going back in the pan. These are wonderful with

:42:36.:42:44.

bacon. So grilled bacon rashers or even gammon steaks with these on the

:42:45.:42:56.

side. Cook the cakes until crisp and brown on each side. I could serve

:42:57.:43:01.

them as they are but I fancy a little extra something. I would like

:43:02.:43:06.

a sauce with those-something that goes with the spices. Sometimes you

:43:07.:43:11.

go to so much trouble to make a sauce and other times you want

:43:12.:43:16.

something that is just so simple... So I'm going to put freshly chopped

:43:17.:43:22.

coriander and some cream into a hot pan. That's pretty much all there is

:43:23.:43:29.

too it. Some herbs, some cream, some salt, some purpose.

:43:30.:43:35.

It's almost a cheek to call it a sauce.

:43:36.:43:50.

-- some pepper. The warm aromatic spices in these

:43:51.:43:55.

cakes are what makes this dish so delicious. Don't short cut the

:43:56.:43:57.

spices! Thanks Nigel and there's more

:43:58.:44:05.

of his fabulous recipes from Nigel next week

:44:06.:44:07.

Still to come on today's show: Tom Kerridge is busy in the kitchen

:44:08.:44:09.

He's making another one of his best ever dishes,

:44:10.:44:12.

spicing up a Barnsley chop and served with

:44:13.:44:14.

a courgette and feta salad And it's almost omelette challenge

:44:15.:44:16.

time, and today's puns are in honour of our

:44:17.:44:21.

guest Liz, so here goes. The EVIDENCE will be in the tasting,

:44:22.:44:26.

when I EXAMINE DISSECT them - Will your omelettes prove to be

:44:27.:44:38.

POSITIVE or NEGATIVE? Oh! That's over.

:44:39.:44:52.

You didn't write those jokes? No, you wouldn't have done that?!

:44:53.:44:55.

And will Liz get her food heaven, crab claws or food hell, quinoa!

:44:56.:44:59.

We'll find out at the end of the show!

:45:00.:45:01.

Beef Wellington, cabbage on the bottom, on top, puff pastry,

:45:02.:45:15.

mushrooms on the site. And then grilled beef fill it. If you don't

:45:16.:45:23.

mind, first things first, we brushed the puff pastry. I like your

:45:24.:45:32.

glasses. They are made out of wood. They are quite Joe 90. The beef is

:45:33.:45:40.

already cooked. I don't think we've got enough time to get it medium

:45:41.:45:44.

rare cooked. We are going to cook both of them. One of them is three

:45:45.:45:55.

quarters there. We always season the beef a la minute. Use one dry hand

:45:56.:46:00.

so you do not have cross contamination from raw to cooked,

:46:01.:46:05.

and then you wash your hands. This one is three quarters cooked. And

:46:06.:46:20.

I'm doing the cabbage? Please. Just julienne it. This has been kicking

:46:21.:46:29.

around quite a long time? 17 years. I started taking care of kitchens in

:46:30.:46:38.

two private members club's. I've always liked classic dishes. This

:46:39.:46:49.

beef Wellington, a mixture between a classic beef fillet with a very

:46:50.:46:54.

heavy jus, and what else does he have? And obviously beef Wellington

:46:55.:47:04.

has a crust. But no foie gras? Just chicken liver pate. I was under the

:47:05.:47:09.

assumption that you made Mexican food? I am very proud to be 50%

:47:10.:47:18.

Mexican, 50% British. We need mushrooms as well. The garnish,

:47:19.:47:25.

mashed potato, same quantities of butter, potatoes, cream. That is a

:47:26.:47:35.

very famous chef's recipe. Very rich mash. This is a very unhealthy dish

:47:36.:47:41.

but very tasty. Liz will like that you had me at butter! You are a big

:47:42.:47:47.

fan of Mexican food? Absolutely, loved it. My wedding was Mexican day

:47:48.:47:55.

of the dead inspired, so the food was all Mexican. And five years on

:47:56.:48:07.

we went to Wahaca and learnt to make mole and tamales, and is it

:48:08.:48:12.

grasshoppers estimate they were gorgeous. I think it is the food of

:48:13.:48:19.

the future. I don't think I will have a lot of you as if I cook that.

:48:20.:48:26.

But they are delicious. With the cabbage, if we can put some cream

:48:27.:48:32.

and cover it, that would be great. OK, so do you want these mushrooms

:48:33.:48:38.

sauteed? Please. And just to finish, salt, pepper, and a little bit of

:48:39.:48:44.

mustard with it. Very important with meat, after its cooked, just to

:48:45.:48:49.

rest. Depending on the size, it's always very good to rest your meat

:48:50.:48:56.

nicely. So going back to what you asked about Mexico and the style of

:48:57.:49:08.

food that we cook. The style food is 90% onward, we use five different

:49:09.:49:16.

types. Type of wood has a lot of sugar content. People would think

:49:17.:49:20.

wood just cooks at at the same time it seasons. With fish, citrus wood

:49:21.:49:27.

and a little bit of olive wood. That is all the rage now but you've been

:49:28.:49:31.

doing it quite some time. One of my closest friends, his restaurant is

:49:32.:49:37.

supposed to be one of the best in the world, and he cooks 100% in

:49:38.:49:45.

wood, so I learnt most of the skills with wood with him. We do our own

:49:46.:49:51.

charcoal. That is quite hard going. It is. That's a total sort of

:49:52.:49:57.

different disciplines. It is. My head chef, the first one to arrive

:49:58.:50:03.

to the kitchen actually makes the charcoal himself. One of the first

:50:04.:50:08.

things we have to do in the kitchen. I am resting the meat now. A very

:50:09.:50:16.

good trick is to use aromatic, a mix of Thai, rosemary and garlic. Put

:50:17.:50:22.

your herbs on top. Is that just for resting? Correct. It's just finishes

:50:23.:50:28.

the flavour nicely. And just crush some garlic on top. And pour a

:50:29.:50:35.

little bit of olive oil. In your restaurant, our people readily

:50:36.:50:38.

accepting of those Mexican inspired flavours? Lot of people were

:50:39.:50:45.

confused that we were a Mexican restaurant, but we are not. I love

:50:46.:50:50.

to bring a lot of my background. My mother is English, my grandmother is

:50:51.:50:55.

Austrian, on my dad's side, Cuban, and my dad was Mexican, so I have a

:50:56.:50:59.

massive combination of so many different flavours. But the food

:51:00.:51:06.

that we cook is modern European with some indigenous ingredients from

:51:07.:51:10.

Mexico. I think Mexico this year worldwide is going to get stronger

:51:11.:51:14.

and stronger. I've had the privilege of getting over there a couple of

:51:15.:51:17.

times in the last couple of years and it's a fascinating place. It's

:51:18.:51:22.

amazing. The real grassroots cooking is just brilliant. It's amazing.

:51:23.:51:27.

Very regional, like great French food, all the areas you go in

:51:28.:51:31.

Mexico, very fascinating. The further north you go, the more

:51:32.:51:38.

earthy, and the more Southee go, you get the tam that you mentioned --

:51:39.:51:47.

tamales. In the south we cook with corn husks. And we use a fungi that

:51:48.:51:57.

grows on the corn itself, and it is delicious. We've got a ravioli on

:51:58.:52:02.

the menu which has been rated very highly by reviewer to. I'm stepping

:52:03.:52:06.

in and doing quite a lot of your cooking. I'm so sorry.

:52:07.:52:12.

And if you'd like to try Fernando's or any of our studio recipes

:52:13.:52:17.

then visit our website: bbc.co.uk/saturdaykitchen

:52:18.:52:19.

So to recapture on equal quantities of cream and butter. Pretty much

:52:20.:52:25.

saying for the mashed. The mushrooms have a spoonful of English mustard?

:52:26.:52:33.

Correct. Sauteed cabbage off. Do you want to finish that with a little

:52:34.:52:36.

bit of cream? Tiny bit of cream just to steam it. Perfect. We will take

:52:37.:52:46.

that off the heat. Mushrooms are done, seasoning on the mushrooms.

:52:47.:52:51.

Mash is ready. We are ready to plate, really. What do you think

:52:52.:52:57.

will be the hero Mexican ingredient that will make it over here? Well,

:52:58.:53:06.

chipotle is already the hero. There is a lovely, earthy ingredient. It's

:53:07.:53:11.

a seed and you can marinate wonderful things with it. I think

:53:12.:53:15.

it's a lovely ingredient. You can mix that with orange juice, goes

:53:16.:53:20.

really well with pork. So that could be the next big thing. I actually

:53:21.:53:27.

found that in the wild in a Mexican forest, and it's brilliant stuff.

:53:28.:53:35.

Just delicious. A lot of people use it with chocolate which is really

:53:36.:53:38.

unusual. It's kind of an earthy, savoury thing. In the puff pastry we

:53:39.:53:45.

make a little hole. Do you want me to fill that? Thank you. You do the

:53:46.:53:52.

rest. I'll start plating the dish. I need a spoon. I'm trying to help.

:53:53.:54:00.

Thank you, chef. You put the oxtail jus on. That the cabbage, then the

:54:01.:54:13.

oxtail jus, then the puff pastry. This is sort of quite fiddly, I

:54:14.:54:18.

didn't expect this from your kind of cooking. It's also very French. It

:54:19.:54:22.

is very French. But we've got a little bit of everything. Today we

:54:23.:54:30.

celebrating 100% British. Good, good. And we sliced this. And you

:54:31.:54:41.

want the truffles on as well? Yes. Thank you, chef. How generous are

:54:42.:54:51.

you with your truffles? Very. That's enough! Do you like truffles? You

:54:52.:55:00.

know the red meat and wine thing... No, I do like trouble is. Beef

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Wellington, sad void cabbage, black truffles.

:55:06.:55:12.

OK, let's go, you bring the match. Ayew ready? Ready.

:55:13.:55:19.

I'm ready for the first incision. See what I did there? Oh, come on.

:55:20.:55:30.

Let me give that a try. That looks delicious. It is sort of

:55:31.:55:37.

deconstructed. A lot of people call it deconstructed beef Wellington.

:55:38.:55:42.

And the meat is cooked to order. It is popular for a reason? I take it

:55:43.:55:47.

off the menu and they ask me to put it back. Pate, truffles and beef,

:55:48.:55:54.

what's not to like. How is it, nice? Yes.

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Okay, let's head back to Haslemere to find out which wine Susie Barrie

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has picked to go with Fernando's fabulous fillet of beef!

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Fernando's dish is like the most spectacular deconstructed beef

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Wellington I've ever tasted. And it need a really top notch red wine to

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drink with it. Now, it's tempting to think with such ahead and mystic

:56:31.:56:33.

plate of food we are going to think a powerful, full throttle red such

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as this one with a dense, creamy texture and quite a lot of alcohol.

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Although the Fergus is a terrific wine, when you have a dish with this

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much richness, you need less weight and more acidity to refresh your

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palate between mouthfuls. Debt up Lava Aglianico. If you want to try

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something exciting and different that is great value for money, then

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a little Aglianico from the ancient volcanic soils is hard to beat. When

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you smell it, it's a mix of dark fruit with savoury, leafy aromas.

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Although I've chosen this one specifically because it is not too

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heavy or powerful, it certainly has enough weight to stand up to

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everything on Fernando's plate. The right, black cherry fruit, and hint

:57:33.:57:37.

of almond, are ideal for the beef and mushrooms. The freshness of the

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wine will help to cut through the richness of the pastry, the chicken

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liver pate and the jus. On the finish there's just a leafy note

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that ties in perfectly with that crisp time. Fernando, I hope you

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enjoy this wind just as much as I enjoyed tasting your incredible

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dish, Cheers. STUDIO: How are you finding the wine? Delicious, ten out

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of ten. A little bit chilly, but that is the studio. This one is red,

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isn't it? Nice combination? Red wine and beef? Yeah, apparently that's

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what you have, isn't it? It's now time to catch up

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with The Hairy Bikers, Si and Dave. They're delivering us some more feel

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good food with their take on the Escoffier classic dish sole

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Veronique! Now with the best of British kitchen

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we are going to be cooking up an old-fashioned culinary classic using

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two ingredients guaranteed, whitefish and grapes. It's sole

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Veronique, and we think it's time to revive this simple but beautiful

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recipe. Sole Veronique, the epitome of feel-good food. It's one of those

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dishes that you want to recuperate with, isn't it? It is. Poached fish

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is easy to die just, it's delicious, and grapes, everybody knows they

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make you feel better. Dover sole, not just the King of fish, it's the

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absolute emperor. These Dover Sole fillets need skilling. But they are

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splendiferous. To skin a fill it, put its skin side down, grab the

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tail, get your knife underneath it, and just put the knife down there,

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and just jiggle it to the end. And the last thing we want is any of the

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meat to be left on the skin. That is beautiful. What we do very simply is

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fold like that. And the thing about this dish, a feel-good dish, it is

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very easy to eat. There's no bones, no skin. There's just lovely sweet

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fish. You tuck into it, it digests easy, it's just so special. And the

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grapes go together superbly with the fish.

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On to your gently folded fish, pour some vermouth and 200 millitres of

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stock. And a dot of butter and a bay leaf.

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I have a couple of these Escoffies are recipes at home.

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You think of this type of food as using lots of cream and brandy but

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it wasn't. You have this very mouth, the fish

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stock, the broth from the Dover sole, that will go with the cream,

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the grapes and it will make a wonderful Dover sole sauce.

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Cover the fish with buttered tin foil and put into an oven for 160

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degrees in a fan oven and cook for 15 to 20 minutes.

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Half the grapes and deseed them, unless you are able to get seedless

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grapes, as we did. What should we serve this with? It

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should be something clean and comfy? Potatoes. New potatoes.

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And asparagus. Yes! When the fish is done, remove

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it tonne a plate and cover it in tin foil to keep warm.

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That is just goodness. No mystery, no skin, no surprise, no bones. Just

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abject yum factor. Now pour in the cooking liquor. All of that lovely

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fish stock and vermouth and the Bury juices in a pan. It is a good tip to

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do this in the frying pan, base, the stock will reduce quickly.

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We have to reduce the stock by half. It's a beautiful thing to watch. You

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never know, if we stair into it long enough, we may become refined as

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sole Veronique! I feel that the sole Veronique, it's a fine classic dish

:02:32.:02:35.

but its flavours, they're not overpowering. It's simple,

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classical, and the flavours they enhance the Dover sole without

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overpowering or strangling it. In fact, I would say it's a perfect

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balance! Good! I'm chuffed for you! That's reduced by about half.

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Looking nice. Lovely.

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I'm stirring in double cream. A little bit of tarragon chopped up in

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the sauce is really nice. Tarragon is lovely with fish, isn't it? It?

:03:10.:03:14.

Beautiful. Now, there is a scout teaspoon

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there. Put that in there. Then we add our grapes and we cook those for

:03:20.:03:23.

about a minute in the sauce. That's going to release the sugars in the

:03:24.:03:28.

grapes. Check for the seasoning eh?

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Absolutely. That's amazing.

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It is so good. Escoffier, God love him. That is beautiful. I had

:03:39.:03:45.

forgotten how nice it is. Wouldn't it be vulgar to have black pepper in

:03:46.:03:50.

that sauce... White purpose! It is gothic.

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Beautiful. The fish is done.

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Let's plate it up. I have some new potatoes and

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asparagus here. I think centre stage, do you? Oh,

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without a doubt. Absolutely superb. Over the top. And some on those. Oh,

:04:11.:04:19.

look at that. Now look at that plate of food. If

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you would deliver that to somebody who's in their bed, or a bit poorly

:04:25.:04:30.

sat in the chair, that's going to make you feel better straightaway.

:04:31.:04:36.

That instant emotion of "that looks great."

:04:37.:04:42.

That plate of food would lift the most morose of spirits. It would

:04:43.:04:47.

make you want to dance with joy. It would make the apathetic want to do

:04:48.:04:49.

stuff. Yep.

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It is positivity on a plate. It feels so good! Can I add that?

:04:55.:05:01.

You should. Oh, yeah, our sole Veronique,

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whoever Veronique was, she is living immortal on a plate.

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What's so lovely is the grape with the fish, it just cuts through the

:05:14.:05:22.

buttery, creamy sauce. You're dead right, mate. And it

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would work with place and if you're a bit skint, it would liven up a

:05:28.:05:34.

piece of haddock as well. You don't get Dover sole every day of the

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And there's more from Si and Dave next week.

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First up it is Elaine from the to some of you at home.

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First up it is Elaine from the Wirral. What is your question? I

:05:54.:05:58.

have a rib of beef. I would like the best way to cook it.

:05:59.:06:04.

Fernando? I would marinade your rib of beef with a little bit of

:06:05.:06:12.

oregano, olive oil and lemon zest. A little bit of pepper and then grill

:06:13.:06:18.

it. Cut it into slices, about 120 grams and cook it on each side.

:06:19.:06:24.

Not as a whole piece? There are many ways to do it but grilling the way I

:06:25.:06:31.

like it the most. Good luck. Elaine, what would you like to see, heaven

:06:32.:06:36.

or hell? Heaven, please. That's because I'm from the Wirral as well.

:06:37.:06:46.

You have a tweet for us? Please ask Tonia for a good recipe for

:06:47.:06:58.

skordiala? It is a Greece sauce? It is, using lots of garlic and olive

:06:59.:07:06.

oil, and just beat it until it becomes really, really creamy.

:07:07.:07:15.

Another one? Yes, can you do something for curry using chicken,

:07:16.:07:18.

please. What would you do with that? I would

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usually mix ketchup, mustard, honey, a little stock and leave the skins

:07:27.:07:35.

of the chicken on. Put it in the oven and cook that gently.

:07:36.:07:41.

Is this for the staff, this food? Yes, why not. It's very nice! And

:07:42.:07:50.

now another question. From Nicola fr.

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I would like to know the best recipe for a Greek salad. I have tried many

:07:57.:08:01.

but it does not taste the way it does in Greece.

:08:02.:08:07.

Fernando?! The main thing is vegetables. Getting them grown in

:08:08.:08:13.

the sun. It gives it a different flavour. But chunks of tomato, feta,

:08:14.:08:30.

olives. Chillies? No chillies. That trilogy of salt, lemon juice, and on

:08:31.:08:36.

you go. What time of tomatoes? My

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grandmother picked whatever tomato is growing in the garden. Whichever

:08:43.:08:48.

have the most flavour. Those are the ones you need.

:08:49.:08:52.

Heaven or hell? Heaven, please. Zara from Cambridge. I would like a

:08:53.:08:59.

recipe for loin steaks. When I cook them they tend to be hard.

:09:00.:09:06.

Pork loin steaks? I would make a Greek wine and coriander dish.

:09:07.:09:13.

Marinade it over night with red wine, olive oil, salt, coriander

:09:14.:09:17.

seeds that have been crushed and marinade it overnight. Then cook it

:09:18.:09:24.

slowly. Nice. I would try that one. And heaven or hell? Heaven, please.

:09:25.:09:27.

Excellent. Going well! Fernando you're on 21.16, Tonia,

:09:28.:09:30.

how's your omelette making skills - Your first time? It is. Nervous? Yes

:09:31.:09:49.

but can I tell you that Greeks do things slowly.

:09:50.:09:50.

You both know the rules - You must use three eggs but feel free

:09:51.:09:55.

to use anything else from the ingredients

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in front of you to make them as tasty as possible.

:09:57.:09:59.

The clocks stop when your omelette hits the plates.

:10:00.:10:01.

Let's put the clocks on the screen for everyone at home please.

:10:02.:10:04.

Fernando, you are very competitive. . He is so competitive! Oh, look,

:10:05.:10:14.

the shell is on. Do you want to try one of these, Liz? You know what,

:10:15.:10:25.

no! That looks terrible, Fernando! I don't think it is going on the

:10:26.:10:28.

board. Are you kidding me! You can keep

:10:29.:10:33.

that music going for a while! We can have a chat.

:10:34.:10:35.

There we go. Very nice.

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Right, let's turn that off. OK. I don't know why I'm doing this, I am

:10:43.:10:47.

going through the motions. We are going to charge you for that pan.

:10:48.:10:53.

You have taken the nonstick off it. I can't taste that. It has shell on

:10:54.:10:57.

it. It's not cooked. That ain't going on. Right, this looks

:10:58.:11:04.

lovely... Oh, no! That's really nice! Very good.

:11:05.:11:13.

Yeah but how long?! Tonia... Oh, dear. Am I the longest? 40.40. So

:11:14.:11:20.

that is going right down here somewhere. Ferrando, that was a

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shocker. That is not going anywhere. What's the music today?

:11:27.:11:35.

# When the going gets tough... It's Billy Ocean's birthday, it is happy

:11:36.:11:40.

So will Liz get her food heaven, crab claws or Food Hell, Quinoa?

:11:41.:11:44.

We'll find out the result after Tom Kerridge treats us

:11:45.:11:47.

to his brilliant take on a Barnsley chop recipe!

:11:48.:12:00.

For a great mid-week meal, lamb chops are hard to beat. If you're

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like me and want a proper manly cut of meat for tea, then the famous

:12:08.:12:11.

Barnsley chop is one of the best. To turn this northern cut of meat

:12:12.:12:15.

into something a little more exotic, I'm using a couple of my favourite

:12:16.:12:22.

spices - coriander seeds, and to go with the coriander seeds, cumin

:12:23.:12:27.

seeds, whole. This gives it a kind of Indian, north African feel that

:12:28.:12:32.

goes with lamb so, so well. Toast it on a medium heat. When they have a

:12:33.:12:38.

nice even brown colour, I pour them on to a plate and leave them to

:12:39.:12:43.

cool. Now time for the lamb. Which I've tied together like a little

:12:44.:12:47.

present. To get the most out of this cut, you have to render out the fat.

:12:48.:12:53.

Just keep the chop fat side down. Once it's crispy all the way around,

:12:54.:12:58.

lift out this bad boy to cool for a couple of minutes. Smells delicious.

:12:59.:13:02.

Save the left over lamb fat for something special later. Now back to

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your spices. These guys have cooled down. I'm

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going to stick them in the heaviest pestle and mortar in the world. It's

:13:14.:13:18.

the spicy crust that's going to take this chop a whole new level. Give it

:13:19.:13:27.

a good bash. Just get rid of the husks. Look at the lovely spices on

:13:28.:13:33.

the plate. Give your Barnsley chop a gorgeous spicy coating on one side.

:13:34.:13:39.

You can see it already, it is giving it a lovely crust it almost looks

:13:40.:13:45.

cooed but it ain't, though, you have to cook it. Pop the chop in the hot

:13:46.:13:56.

pan, after ten minutes turn it over. Then turn it over and leave it for

:13:57.:14:00.

another two. OK, look at the lovely colour on

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that! Add a knob of butter. That foam will give it another nutty

:14:09.:14:13.

flavour going on to the lamb. And a good squeeze of lemon juice.

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Then all you need to do is love it and care for it. Massage it, and add

:14:19.:14:24.

a little bit of foaming butter. And that's it. Cooked. Just pour over

:14:25.:14:29.

some of those nutty spices juices. Look at that. Cooking don't get much

:14:30.:14:36.

better than that. Just give it ten minutes to relax and right before

:14:37.:14:40.

serving add a touch of orange zest. That is going to make that, the

:14:41.:14:43.

Barnsley chop beauty. grapes go together superbly with the

:14:44.:14:49.

fish. Now, I'm not really a salad kind of

:14:50.:15:00.

guy, but I've got a recipe that a great partner for your lamb chop.

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This is going to be the ultimate salad to go with my LAN. A little

:15:06.:15:12.

bit like Nicoise using black olives, salty kick from using some feta, bit

:15:13.:15:17.

of a chilly spice using red and green chilies. Here's what makes

:15:18.:15:25.

this the best salad ever. This is the land fat from the Barnsley chop.

:15:26.:15:32.

This is full of lamby flavour. Perfect for frying courgettes in.

:15:33.:15:36.

Sliced courgettes nice and thick, so when you fry them they will stay

:15:37.:15:40.

quite firm and not go all soft and floppy. I know it might seem a bit

:15:41.:15:47.

odd but using this lamb fat will make all the difference. They will

:15:48.:15:54.

fry and take on all that lamb fat flavour. All they need is a couple

:15:55.:15:58.

of minutes on each side. There you go, just getting a nice brown

:15:59.:16:02.

caramelised Asian on top of the courgette. Just about soft enough to

:16:03.:16:13.

eat -- Laurent Miquel Vendanges Nocturnes Viognier. Give them a

:16:14.:16:15.

pinch of sea salt and whilst the next batches on the go you can give

:16:16.:16:21.

them a pinch salad. This gem lettuce has a nice crunchy snap to it which

:16:22.:16:27.

comes from the court in the middle. I'm going to build those layers of

:16:28.:16:31.

flavour and texture. Just dice up some crisp green pepper. Not too

:16:32.:16:37.

fine. You still want crunchy texture in your mouth. Now for some heat if

:16:38.:16:42.

you can handle it. Don't just go them on without knowing how hot they

:16:43.:16:47.

are, you've got to taste it. That way you know how hot it is and how

:16:48.:16:53.

much to use. In this case, I'm only going to use one Laurent Miquel

:16:54.:16:56.

Vendanges Nocturnes -- I'm only going to use one chilli

:16:57.:17:06.

because it's hot. Perhaps I will tone it down a bit. The red is never

:17:07.:17:12.

normally as spicy as the green, but you've still got to try it. This one

:17:13.:17:20.

is not as hot. Just scattered the chilli over the top and for a taste

:17:21.:17:24.

of the mad at some black olives and feta cheese. The great thing about

:17:25.:17:31.

feta, it has a fantastic salt content, you don't really need to

:17:32.:17:34.

seize on this salad. Add some coriander and mint leaves and you

:17:35.:17:38.

are ready for your courgettes. The heat that is coming from them will

:17:39.:17:42.

just slowly wheeled the lettuce leaves and the mint leaves around

:17:43.:17:49.

them. -- slowly wilt. Not hot, but warm, and it will slowly bring

:17:50.:17:53.

everything together. A little bit like being in a steam room. Pour

:17:54.:17:59.

over a bit of sherry vinegar to turn this into a really tasty dinner.

:18:00.:18:05.

Grab those precious meat juices. Just going to drizzle some of this

:18:06.:18:09.

flavoursome oil all over the salad. I know it's not your normal olive

:18:10.:18:14.

oil dressing but using that lamb fat and that flavour takes it to the

:18:15.:18:16.

next level. Do it, people. Right, time to find out

:18:17.:18:29.

whether Liz is getting her food I'm quite nervous... Not. This was

:18:30.:18:44.

your idea of heaven, crab claws, prawns. A little bit of the spicy

:18:45.:18:51.

sausage, some ravioli. Here is the superfood hell, clean eating health.

:18:52.:18:59.

What is this thing? What is this. We've got quinoa, here. We've also

:19:00.:19:09.

got some raw kale, and the pork chop as well. So listen, we'll go through

:19:10.:19:15.

the motions but basically everyone, all our callers went for heaven.

:19:16.:19:21.

Guys, you can't change it. It's heaven. Definitely heaven. Which is

:19:22.:19:28.

great because we all want to eat this. 5-0 heaven. Clear that. Get

:19:29.:19:37.

the healthy stuff away. Wedded distrust of healthy food come from?

:19:38.:19:42.

Just life. I think life is too short, we should eat nice food. I'm

:19:43.:19:47.

not saying healthy food isn't bad. Partly it's because I don't trust

:19:48.:19:53.

the name of something, and so when things suddenly appear and I get a

:19:54.:19:59.

bit suspicious of them, they are a bit faddy. I like good food. There

:20:00.:20:06.

was just something about the quinoa, the raw food. I like but and I like

:20:07.:20:19.

carbs. -- I like butter. What is food like onset of the Silent

:20:20.:20:23.

Witness? It's really good. You get your main meal that at lunchtime and

:20:24.:20:26.

then you've got another six hours to film. So you've got to be really

:20:27.:20:34.

careful. I do love carbs, but if you go too carb-heavy, you fall asleep.

:20:35.:20:40.

You are just doing some high-tech sluicing that everything is a bit

:20:41.:20:47.

slow and difficult. Something we did not talk about earlier, you did a

:20:48.:20:55.

law degree? Yes, I did. I'm not sure what you want me to tell you about

:20:56.:20:58.

that. I just find it quite interesting, really. Do you know

:20:59.:21:08.

what? I did the law degree and then went out and started to break the

:21:09.:21:12.

law. So you know how to get away with it? It's very useful for that.

:21:13.:21:18.

I did quite a lot of direct action. I'm going on the women's march

:21:19.:21:23.

today. I saw that on Twitter earlier. I'm heading there after

:21:24.:21:29.

this. You are a big activist? I am, I like a bit of a protest. We've got

:21:30.:21:34.

a voice, we have democracy, we should use it and speak out. There's

:21:35.:21:38.

lots of people that can't soak if we can I think we should use that. Are

:21:39.:21:44.

you marching along with a lot of women in Washington as well? That's

:21:45.:21:50.

where it began, the day after the inauguration, I know we might not

:21:51.:21:54.

want to talk about that, but the inauguration yesterday. Women are

:21:55.:21:57.

really concerned that under Trump women's rights aren't going to get

:21:58.:22:00.

represented, they are going to be diminished. And so there is a march

:22:01.:22:06.

in DC today and all over the States and actually all over the world,

:22:07.:22:11.

something like 62 countries. All over the UK. Central London, loads

:22:12.:22:17.

of women. And you don't have to be a woman, anyone can go. Just to say

:22:18.:22:23.

that we are here, don't ignore us. So you are going to need your

:22:24.:22:27.

calories. I need filling up. How long is it? I think it kicks off

:22:28.:22:34.

around the American Embassy at noon and then I think there is a rally at

:22:35.:22:39.

Trafalgar Square at around 2pm. So I will be there. Quite some time,

:22:40.:22:45.

then. Yes. So going back to Silent witness, why do you think it has had

:22:46.:22:50.

such longevity? Is it the writing? It has been going for 20 odd years.

:22:51.:22:56.

Good stories, great stories. I think the two hours, what it is now, two

:22:57.:23:01.

one-hour episodes, we think that's kind of a film now. It's not just

:23:02.:23:06.

one hour and you know where it is going. There are real cliffhangers.

:23:07.:23:10.

Even if you watched the first one you probably never going to know who

:23:11.:23:13.

it is until the very end of the second one. I've got the script and

:23:14.:23:17.

I don't always know who it is! So I watch them and kind of get surprised

:23:18.:23:24.

by them every time to be honest. But do you read things and go, Clarissa

:23:25.:23:31.

would never do this? Absolutely. The great one coming up that I really

:23:32.:23:37.

like, in the second episode on Tuesday there is a bit of a

:23:38.:23:42.

heart-to-heart between Clarissa and Jack. We have a real great bond and

:23:43.:23:48.

friendship. And we've managed to shoehorn in a Pretty Woman film

:23:49.:23:52.

reference into the script. I don't think they knew what it was. So I'm

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just putting it out there. We were just, let say that. I'm trying to

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think of them now. And this is on Tuesday? This is Tuesday night. So

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we do have fun with that. Sometimes you think, Clarissa would never say

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that, or let's just make it more real. The way Clarissa and Jack talk

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is very much how real people do and that's how we want it. So when you

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take on a character like that for so long, how much does that cross over?

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When you are in their filming it quite a lot it is quite weird. I

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don't think it is for all actors but I find it, because you are thinking

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in a certain way, acting in a certain way, and you look different.

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She has different hair, different clothes, different sensibilities. So

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I think some people find it easy to jump in and out. I didn't,

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necessarily. But I do find her quite easy to play, she is a joy. When

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filming is it back-to-back, week on week? Clarissa, as people have often

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messaged in order to eat it, it does feel like she never leaves the Lyell

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Centre. If they ever take me on to location it's sort of a miracle. I

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tend to do one or two weeks out of five weeks. The other guys out and

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about will do about five weeks but I normally do two. We film from April

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to November. It's pretty intense. Personally I get enough time to do

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all the other stuff. Can you tell us if there is a new series on the way?

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I think there is. After your comment earlier, maybe there won't be? Can

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you imagine? It's popular. I did think it was like, we'll get to the

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20th series and that will be it. It is popular enough that I think the

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demand is there to bring it back. Whether I come back is another

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question. Well, we'll wait and see. After Max turns up. You might swap

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out. That might be it. Let's recap this. We've all done things very

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quickly. So this is the heaven dish. I've got some white crab meat. We

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made three little ravioli with someone torn papers which are a good

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cheat -- with some wonton papers. Some brown crab meat, white crab

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meat, sealed together. This is crab and prawn stock with a little bit of

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chicken stock or fish stock boiled together. Little bit of brandy as

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well. Over here is a deep-fried crabs claw. Which Fernando lovingly

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put together here. Remind me, minced prawns, little bit of soy sauce,

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garlic, ginger in there. Bit of sherry. That was pretty much it,

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wasn't it? Soya sauce. Couple of the ravioli. I was going to say, do you

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want me to do anything to help? Just stand there and relax. You've got a

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big old much later. That's right, I've got to keep my energy up. Is it

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almost ready question mark I'm quite hungry. It is. I've got places to

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go, marches to do. Excuse me, I'm marching. I'm really glad you went

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offending at saying marching. Some people think, can't say marching,

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she is in a wheelchair, might get offended. I just find it's better to

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bluster my way through. I've noticed. And you didn't call me

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funny bones. I'm going to get some wine to go

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with this. So, what have we got here? To go with this crab, this is

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a reasoning from Baily and Baily, ?8.49 from Waitrose. Don't drink too

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much otherwise you'll be swerving all over your March. Are you working

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tonight? I am. It's got a lovely kick to it. Is that OK? It's

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beautiful. Really? Good, you like that? I'm happy at last. Good.

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Well that's all from us today on Saturday Kitchen Live.

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Thanks to our fantastic studio chefs, Fernando Stovell

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and Tonia Buxton, the delightful Liz Carr and the wonderful Susie

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All the recipes from the show are on the website,

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Next week Angela Hartnett's in charge and I'm back next month!

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But don't forget Best Bites tomorrow morning at 10am

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Host Matt Tebbutt is joined by chefs Tonia Buxton and Fernando Stovell, plus Silent Witness actress Liz Carr.

There are also great moments from the BBC food archive, including clips from Rick Stein, Tom Kerridge, Nigel Slater and the Hairy Bikers.

Susie Barrie is the wine expert and picks the wines to go with the studio dishes.