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Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital has helped develop cures

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for many conditions which just a few years ago were untreatable.

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But for medical science to move forward,

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doctors must be able to experiment.

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We've done a very small number of patients with this condition in England.

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If you sign the consent form, you're basically signing a contract with uncertainty.

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Experimental surgery on children raises difficult ethical dilemmas.

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Whenever you have any patient, it's trying to make the right decision

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and when they are so severe,

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possibly the right decision is not to operate on them.

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For children with conditions which have no known cure,

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these experiments are their only hope.

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This is basically our only option to give him a better life, otherwise...

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he'll die.

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Surgeons are constantly forced to question how far

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they should push the boundaries in the hope of finding a cure.

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Sometimes we've got the technology, we can do all kinds of things,

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but we have to also ask the question,

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is it the right thing to do?

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Just because we CAN do it, OUGHT we be doing it?

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15-year-old Shauna has spent her entire life in and out of hospital.

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She was born with one lung, a major heart defect

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and her windpipe is slowly closing.

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So I have to ring the doorbell now, because I lost my badge.

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Do you want to ring the doorbell?

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Recently, her ability to breathe has deteriorated

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and she is at risk of suffocation.

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'They can't give it a name, cos she has that many problems.

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'She had a heart attack ten weeks ago...'

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I nearly lost her that day. It took them seven minutes to get her back.

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If they don't do anything pretty quick,

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I won't have her much longer.

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They've told me that.

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State-of-the-art equipment, huh? You've got a telly in here as well.

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Shauna is at Great Ormond Street to see if she is eligible for

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experimental surgery that has only been performed on one other child.

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Surgeons want to offer her a donor trachea

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which will be modified with Shauna's own stem cells.

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If they go ahead, she will be given a new windpipe made of her own DNA.

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We've only done one tracheal transplant before

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and we learned a lot of things in a very short period of time

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and there are no long-term data.

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The balance between is this appropriate or ethical,

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right or wrong, is a scenario in which there are no correct answers.

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There's just best judgement and so that's what we'll try to achieve

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between us all and get a lot of input into getting to that decision.

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Colin Wallace is a respiratory consultant at Great Ormond Street.

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Hi.

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He's part of the team weighing up the risks of the transplant

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and her current quality of life.

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Are you Shauna? How're you doing? I've heard lots about you.

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-We haven't met before, have we?

-No.

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If I was to ask you for three things that you would like to have better

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after an operation on your trachea, what would they be?

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There's a lot of things she would like, aren't there?

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Name one of them - what would you like?

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-Be better.

-Be better.

-And in what way would you like to be better?

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What do you miss? You like to do?

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-You go with the carers, but you can't do it.

-Swimming.

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-Swimming.

-Yes?

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You'd like to try swimming? And you go to school? Normal school?

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-Do you have to have someone with you?

-Yes.

-What's that like?

-All right.

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-Hm?

-All right.

-It's OK, yes? And at home?

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She has night carers.

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They come in at 8.00 on a night and finish at 6.00 in the morning,

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so that I can have some rest.

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Yes. And you have a friend at school?

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-What's your best friend's name?

-Courtney.

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What did she think about your tracheostomy?

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-She's all right with it.

-She's used to it now, is she?

-Yes.

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And what about other things you'd like to do

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that you can't do at the moment?

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-Like, on the bus.

-On the bus? You don't go on the bus?

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-I do, but...

-But you and Courtney could go by yourselves on the bus.

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-Yes.

-You think so? Would that be quite an adventure, hey?

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What would you need to know will happen

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to be able to go ahead and say yes, we'll have the surgery?

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Well, it's stupid really,

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cos I'd want to know if it was going to be a success.

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-But you can't give me that guarantee.

-Yes.

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So, because her life is good at the moment,

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she has got a good quality of life.

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Mm, mm.

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It's a slightly unpredictable one though, isn't it?

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Yes, because of the arrest, ten weeks ago.

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It shows there's a vulnerability here on the narrowing of the trachea

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and the lack of reserve of only just having one lung.

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Yes.

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Shauna is in charge. You in charge? Yay!

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What's quite interesting is that mother does perceive

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the current quality of life as being good.

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In other words, this is not a situation where we've got

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nothing to lose by going ahead - they've got quite a bit to lose

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and this is going to make for a difficult decision.

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She's got a reasonable quality of life, she's got her good friend,

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she clearly has a sense of humour and enjoying herself -

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it makes it harder.

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Before surgery becomes an option, doctors examine Shauna's airway

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and her lung to see if they are healthy enough to support a transplant.

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OK, then?

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If you plug it on... Got it? Well done.

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I'll turn the juice up slowly - some laughing gas to begin with, OK?

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Try and think of something nice.

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Some nice place to go when you're asleep.

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I think we'll lie you back now, just...

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Why don't you lie back gently?

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-We'll take care of her.

-See you soon.

-We'll see you later.

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-Thanks very much.

-Down we go.

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SUCTION

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Until now, a metal cage called a stent has been keeping

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Shauna's trachea open.

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Surgeons must adjust it every ten weeks,

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but this causes scar tissue to build up and is blocking her airway.

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It's extraordinary imaging, this -

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the trachea has got this metalwork all round it

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that's supporting it, but inside the trachea, it's very narrow.

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There's a lot of tissue here that's grown into this stenting process.

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It's lying perilously close to very big vessels

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and then you've got the only lung, which has overblown and

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extended right across the midline, so it's a huge, single lung.

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Encouragingly,

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the airways from the trachea onwards are of good calibre

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and nicely open.

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But my feeling is that on these scans,

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we've got enough good lung structure here...

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This lung could cope.

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As tracheal transplants in children are so new,

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surgeon Martin Elliott must consult with the hospital's ethics committee

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before offering surgery.

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It is made up of professionals from a variety of backgrounds,

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from both inside and outside the hospital.

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'It's an extra check on the validity of what we're proposing.'

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Frankly, we are so focused on trying to make her better that we

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need a more cool and detached intellectual discussion.

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I want to show you what we did to another patient last year.

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We took a donor trachea and that trachea was then washed

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until all the cells were removed from it,

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so detergent enzymatic washes.

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So you're left with what is essentially a scaffold

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of largely collagen and just a few proteins,

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but no active... immunologically active cells.

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That graft was marinaded with stem cells

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and then locally we injected a drug called TGF beta,

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which is supposed to trigger it to become cartilage.

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So after it's been marinaded, the graft returned in a motorbike

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to Great Ormond Street and we were able to stitch the trachea into Kieron.

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So what we want to do for Shauna is to use the same basic principles

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of allowing a skeleton of tissue to be populated

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by the child's own stem cells, so that there's no rejection,

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and to get more rapid cellularisation of the child

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than we had time for in Kieron.

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I'd just like to know, if you don't do the procedure,

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what is likely to be the manner of her death?

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What happens as the winter emerges is that the airway,

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the trachea is very like your nose,

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so as you imagine your nose blocking up when you have a cold,

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if you've ever...just remember breathing through a snorkel

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for the first time, the sense of not being able to breathe is...

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One of the greatest fears that you can have,

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so I can't imagine that it would be a pleasant demise.

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But she's going to die anyway, even if you do the procedure -

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what would be the nature of her death if you've done the procedure?

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Um...

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Well, I think that's saying more than I'm prepared to say.

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I don't think she will die if we do the procedure. Um...

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We're trying to do the procedure so that she doesn't.

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Or at least we prolong her life

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and her quality of life for as long as possible.

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In terms of the timing of the decision-making,

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would there be any advantages in deferring?

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Would it give better outcomes or whatever?

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No, I think there'd be a disadvantage to deferment.

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The section here is only 2mm across.

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That's the tip of a Biro.

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At that point, you have to really consider how much

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swelling of the mucosa you can tolerate

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before it becomes a critical narrowing.

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You haven't mentioned palliative care as an option.

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Is that because you think it's inappropriate?

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No, I think if I thought the treatment was really horrific,

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and we hadn't got the experience that we have had,

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I wouldn't have any hesitation in offering that.

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I don't not offer palliative care for complex patients.

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So it's not really just a choice between a horrible death

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and the chance of improved quality of life?

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There is a third option, which is a less horrible death?

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Yes, that's true.

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Palliative care may still become necessary,

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but at the moment I'm not sure that the technical solution

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does not indeed trump the palliative care.

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But only for the willing participant in uncertainty.

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Do we have any further questions?

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The committee debated for another hour

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and found no ethical objections to Shauna's surgery.

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Shauna will return to Middlesbrough

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and may have to wait up to four months

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for the new trachea to be grown.

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Three-month-old Muhammed has just arrived

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on the cardiac intensive care unit.

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At birth, he was diagnosed with Jeune's Syndrome,

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a very rare condition with only 125 recorded cases worldwide.

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Muhammed's rib cage doesn't grow.

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It is trapping his lungs and eventually,

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he will be unable to produce enough oxygen to stay alive.

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Can we drop these lights now?

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The width of the abdomen is normal width for a child

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and if you just imagine where the soft tissue ends on the right with the vague,

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grey things on either side, that would be the normal width.

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So that's baby size.

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If you come up towards the chest,

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the chest narrows right in and then comes out again in the armpits.

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This is characteristic of Jeune's Syndrome.

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So this chest here is squeezing in

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and the heart in the middle and the lungs are actually squashed,

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so the child's chest is going to stay the same size.

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So as the baby gets bigger, the chest doesn't grow and the lungs get smashed up.

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Muhammed's parents were told by their hospital in Birmingham that they could offer no treatment.

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After searching on the Internet, Muhammed's father

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read about an experimental trial at Great Ormond Street,

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where they expand the rib cage in the hope that the lungs will grow.

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Already approved by the ethics committee, it's the only treatment for Jeune's in Europe

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and has been performed on just six children before now.

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-Hello, hi.

-Hi.

-My name is Martin Elliott.

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Hi, very nice to meet you.

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-Martin Elliott. Neil Bulstrode.

-Nice to meet you.

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The operation is really very simple and the principle is simple,

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so we're going to try and show you what it is - we've worked out a way

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of doing this using Neil's hands.

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we cut the ribs in the front and the back and bring them out

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and reconnect them...

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with plates and screws,

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so effectively,

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we're going from four ribs, to two ribs, which are longer.

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We would cut the third one in the middle,

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then we would cut the other ones, front and back, front and back,

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so that we could make them longer

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but leave the third and the bottom one loose.

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So, it's just stretching it out.

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And at some stage in the future we can do the next stage

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and make his chest wall even bigger.

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We've done a very small number of patients with this condition

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in England and they've all got back home off a ventilator.

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All got back home.

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One of them has sadly died later

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and we don't know what's going to happen to the others.

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No-one's going to force you to do something to Muhammed like this,

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which is so uncertain.

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Erm...if you sign a consent form, you're basically signing

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a contract with uncertainty.

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We don't know what is going to happen and neither can you.

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If it does go well and he needs surgeries in the future,

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how often would he need surgeries?

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Well, the follow-up would be lifelong.

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We will always keep a close eye.

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People in Birmingham will keep a close eye on him

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and then phone us when things change. That's what we would expect.

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Basically, the way I feel is...

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We've got no other option, basically.

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Even, whatever happens, erm...

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..I think, we both need to give it a try.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Are you sure you're happy with that too?

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We don't want to cause Muhammed or you any suffering.

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That's not what we're trying to do. But that might happen.

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At least in our minds, we will know we have tried.

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What we can do as parents.

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I think that's the main thing.

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OK, well, we'll do our best as well.

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And...

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we'd look after him as though he was our own

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and make sure he's all right.

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It is not compulsory to have treatment for this

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because no-one knows what the future is.

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We certainly wouldn't pressurise a family into doing this.

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Absolutely the opposite, we would very much explain to them -

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and have explained to them - that this wouldn't be the only choice.

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The option is to accept that death is inevitable.

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I know the Birmingham team have even put that in a more explicit way

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because they said, "We wouldn't do this."

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And a significant proportion of doctors

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and parents around the world would reasonably take that option.

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But the family have been much more on the side of giving it a whirl

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to see if we can help.

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24 hours later and Muhammed is ready for surgery.

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Until surgeons open him up and see the state of his ribs,

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they won't know exactly how many they can expand.

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Big vessel.

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-We cut four at the back.

-Four at the back.

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Five at the front, that's what we've done before.

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But it doesn't really matter where we start, does it?

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So I'm just going to move a little bit down towards you.

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May I have a blade on here now?

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Let's find out where we're going to cut across here.

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-We think there, probably, don't we?

-Yep.

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Down to eight.

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There won't be much room, will there?

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Gosh, it's tight.

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It's amazing they can breathe at all when you put so much force on here.

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Diathermy, please.

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Go ahead.

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So, we've just, having cut those ribs,

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and now we've brought them forwards, so this is one rib up

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and one rib down, joined together, so if I let it go, it forms an arch.

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So it's lifted the whole chest wall by a good two centimetres.

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Once Neil Bulstrode can see the expanded ribs,

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he can then shape the titanium plates which will hold them together.

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That's good. That's going to be great. OK, the clamps, please.

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That one, yep. And we need a syringe of saline.

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The drill didn't go all the way through the...

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This is the eight, please.

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DRILL WHIRRS

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Eight, please.

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Great.

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Just check for any...

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The titanium plate has screwed in beautifully.

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So you can see now, with the four ribs cut in a staggered fashion,

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they've now been rejoined to lengthen the rib.

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I'd like to do the other ribs, but these are too small. You can't expand everything.

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So we get them to stage two and then,

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yeah, later on we come back and do the lower ribs

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through a separate incision and see how we get on.

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And the top ones, we may never be able to do.

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I think that's all right.

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-If we just stitch the other stuff up, it'll be OK, won't it?

-Yeah, yeah.

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It has taken one and a half hours to break and expand

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the left side of Muhammed's rib cage.

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They now have to do the same to the right.

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The ribs are very short and small, as you can perhaps see,

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so there's not really very much space and it's also rather fragile,

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so we basically want to get it right first time.

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But it went very well and as soon as we had enlarged both those ribs,

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Anne, the anaesthetist, said that the ventilation

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had got enormously better instantly.

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So when we double that effect by doing the other side,

0:22:340:22:38

it should be greatly improved.

0:22:380:22:41

After three hours of surgery,

0:22:490:22:51

Muhammed is taken back to intensive care.

0:22:510:22:54

He will remain on a ventilator and sedated for the next few days.

0:22:550:22:59

His lungs will be monitored round-the-clock

0:22:590:23:02

to see if they adapt to his expanded rib cage.

0:23:020:23:05

The expansion on both sides went according to plan

0:23:070:23:11

and immediately the anaesthetist said there was an improvement

0:23:110:23:15

in the ability to ventilate Muhammed,

0:23:150:23:18

-so we were really pleased with that.

-Yeah, yeah.

0:23:180:23:21

-He's doing really well.

-That's a really good news, yeah.

0:23:210:23:25

-I was really concerned.

-Of course.

0:23:250:23:27

-But thank God that's gone good, yeah?

-Exactly. Exactly.

0:23:270:23:32

Do you have any other questions?

0:23:320:23:34

SHE SPEAKS IN OWN LANGUAGE

0:23:340:23:36

Yeah, when we tried feeding him with a bottle, he wouldn't drink before.

0:23:380:23:42

-He was coughing a lot.

-Right.

-Would he still have the same issues?

0:23:420:23:46

We'll have to see exactly how that goes.

0:23:460:23:50

Sometimes we can put another little tube in through his nose

0:23:500:23:53

which goes into the stomach and, if necessary,

0:23:530:23:56

we can feed him through there temporarily.

0:23:560:23:59

-You can tell the difference with the chest already.

-Chest, yeah.

0:24:120:24:14

You can already see the increase in the size.

0:24:140:24:17

And now we just want his lungs to grow into that extra space.

0:24:200:24:24

Three days after surgery,

0:24:560:24:58

Muhammad's lungs are struggling to expand in his new rib cage.

0:24:580:25:01

The ventilation's still not perfect, you know, so there's still

0:25:030:25:06

some episodes where the SATs fall and some episodes where it's a bit hard to get air into the lungs,

0:25:060:25:12

and also, I guess, he's not quite moving as much air yet

0:25:120:25:15

as we thought, but it's only a few days since he had a big operation

0:25:150:25:19

and we broke quite a lot of ribs,

0:25:190:25:21

so if you can imagine what that would feel like for you or I -

0:25:210:25:25

we probably wouldn't want to move much air anyway.

0:25:250:25:28

But is that a concern?

0:25:280:25:31

I think we are still within the window

0:25:310:25:33

of what we, kind of, expect after this.

0:25:330:25:36

It does take a while for the lung to spring open

0:25:360:25:39

and get used to that new way of having to work.

0:25:390:25:41

I think more time has to go by before we can say for sure

0:25:410:25:46

how much of a success it's been and what happens now.

0:25:460:25:49

What families in this position have to get to grips with

0:25:530:25:56

is that they are part of an experiment

0:25:560:25:59

and that we don't know enough to be able to give

0:25:590:26:02

the kind of reassurance that we'd be able to give to someone

0:26:020:26:05

if we done 100 or 200 or 400 operations which were always the same.

0:26:050:26:08

Here we have to make modifications each time we do it

0:26:080:26:11

based on what we learned last time and what science has been going on in the background elsewhere.

0:26:110:26:16

Everything is subtly different and I can't really give guarantees.

0:26:160:26:22

What we have to have is an understanding of uncertainty.

0:26:220:26:26

A week after his surgery, Muhammed is transferred back to his Birmingham hospital to recover.

0:26:330:26:39

Three months later, his lungs are showing no signs of growth

0:26:430:26:47

and his breathing is becoming increasingly difficult.

0:26:470:26:51

We've probably got to the end of the road

0:26:530:26:56

as far as what we can do for him.

0:26:560:26:59

I don't think there's any point in putting him through

0:26:590:27:02

another operation to enlarge his chest in any other way

0:27:020:27:05

because the lungs have had a trial of survival and failed it.

0:27:050:27:08

Doctors in Birmingham have told Muhammed's father

0:27:100:27:14

they want to take him off life support.

0:27:140:27:16

He has asked to speak to Martin Elliott before he can agree

0:27:160:27:20

and a conference call has been arranged.

0:27:200:27:23

It's very difficult to know how to help the family through this.

0:27:240:27:28

There isn't a way.

0:27:280:27:30

It's just painful.

0:27:300:27:33

-Um, hi, Professor.

-Hello.

0:27:350:27:37

Yeah.

0:27:400:27:41

Well, um, what I said to you was

0:27:490:27:52

I didn't know whether the lungs would grow at all

0:27:520:27:55

and, to be certain that there's going to be some improvement,

0:27:550:27:58

you need a long period of time, but if there's been deterioration in between times

0:27:580:28:02

I think that really gives us the answer

0:28:020:28:05

that there just simply isn't enough lung

0:28:050:28:08

for Muhammed to be able to survive on his own.

0:28:080:28:11

OK.

0:28:130:28:15

OK.

0:28:150:28:16

I'm obviously very sorry that we haven't been able to do more for Muhammed and...

0:29:240:29:28

Yeah.

0:29:430:29:44

OK, well...

0:29:460:29:48

We all send you our best wishes from here.

0:29:490:29:53

-Thank you.

-Thank you.

0:29:530:29:54

-Bye.

-Thanks a lot. Cheers. Bye.

0:29:540:29:58

HE SIGHS

0:30:000:30:03

OK.

0:30:040:30:06

Would we do it again?

0:30:120:30:15

For the time being, if we accumulate enough patients in this category

0:30:150:30:19

to say, "Look, this is never going to work.

0:30:190:30:21

"This category of patients are inappropriate for this therapy because of X or Y",

0:30:210:30:27

then clearly that would be relevant, but I don't think we're there yet.

0:30:270:30:31

We're still trying to find out what X and Y are

0:30:310:30:34

that would stop you doing something.

0:30:340:30:36

A few months later and another case of Jeune's syndrome

0:30:420:30:46

has been transferred from Stepping Hill Hospital to Great Ormond Street.

0:30:460:30:49

Joshua Burns Adair, he's five months old now

0:30:500:30:53

and has come down for another expansion tomorrow.

0:30:530:30:56

He's got Jeune's thoracic dystrophy, a chronic lung disease.

0:30:560:31:00

been up to a maximum of 90% oxygen

0:31:000:31:02

and he was in 45% when we picked him up.

0:31:020:31:05

That's about that, really, isn't it?

0:31:050:31:08

Joshua's condition is critical and despite the dangers,

0:31:100:31:13

his parents are eager for the chest expansion.

0:31:130:31:16

Surgery is scheduled for tomorrow morning.

0:31:160:31:19

After doing everything on the internet,

0:31:200:31:22

I brought it up with the doctors and I pushed them to look into it

0:31:220:31:26

and it was via, basically, our consultant finding out

0:31:260:31:30

that there was actually a surgeon down here

0:31:300:31:34

that can do this operation.

0:31:340:31:36

-We decided that we wanted to go down every avenue, didn't we?

-Yeah.

0:31:360:31:40

To see that we knew if anything did happen to Joshua,

0:31:400:31:44

we'd done everything we could.

0:31:440:31:46

So this is basically our only option to give him a better life,

0:31:460:31:51

otherwise...he'll die.

0:31:510:31:55

ALARM WAILS

0:31:550:31:57

Whilst Joshua is being transferred from the ambulance ventilator

0:31:570:32:02

to one on intensive care, his heart stops beating.

0:32:020:32:05

It takes two minutes to revive him.

0:32:050:32:07

The operation is cancelled

0:32:100:32:12

and his parents are left waiting for the surgery to be rescheduled.

0:32:120:32:16

The way they've been speaking for the last month when we had telephone conversations,

0:32:190:32:23

their hopes are very high we can fix him, even though

0:32:230:32:27

they have been spoken to and they know that this is experimental.

0:32:270:32:30

But Joshua is different now than he was two days ago and I think

0:32:300:32:33

if he doesn't get back to his transfer settings

0:32:330:32:38

then the surgery is not an option and we have to go down that avenue.

0:32:380:32:43

The issue for us and the reason that we're isolated

0:32:430:32:47

is that the CO2 is all over the place

0:32:470:32:49

and ultimately that's not good for the lungs

0:32:490:32:51

and it's not going to be good for multiple procedures

0:32:510:32:54

so I would think it would be daft to operate in the next day.

0:32:540:32:59

Yeah, I mean, I would just say do we,

0:32:590:33:01

after we've got through this next 48 hours,

0:33:010:33:03

see if we can optimise him as much as we can

0:33:030:33:06

and then we know where we are.

0:33:060:33:08

We should then reappraise whether we should actually offer surgery or not.

0:33:080:33:12

I think we just need to wait until we've got that.

0:33:120:33:14

When he's ready for a general anaesthetic.

0:33:140:33:16

I'm not sure what we can do at this stage.

0:33:160:33:18

He's at the same ventilation as when he came over to us here.

0:33:260:33:32

If he can achieve that then there's a possibility that he could do the surgery,

0:33:320:33:37

but if not, surgery may not be his best option.

0:33:370:33:41

Yeah.

0:33:440:33:46

So what would that mean then? It would just be a matter of him...

0:33:500:33:54

-Being left to his own, sort of, agenda, as such?

-Yes.

-Until they...?

0:33:560:34:02

Until, yes, he can't sustain himself any more.

0:34:020:34:05

You know, whenever you have any patient,

0:34:130:34:16

it's trying to make the right decision

0:34:160:34:18

and when they are so severe...

0:34:180:34:21

..it... Possibly the right decision is not to operate on them

0:34:230:34:27

and I think if Joshua stays in his current state

0:34:270:34:31

that that'll be our answer.

0:34:310:34:34

However, we're all optimistic people

0:34:340:34:37

that want to do things to try and help,

0:34:370:34:40

but sometimes we have to step back

0:34:400:34:43

and admit that maybe we cannot help them.

0:34:430:34:47

Always wore a red cloak with a warm hood

0:34:470:34:50

and so she was called Little Red Riding Hood.

0:34:500:34:53

One day she decided to visit her granny who lived some way

0:34:530:34:56

from the woodcutter's cottage.

0:34:560:34:58

She took a basket with a cake her mother had baked and set off.

0:34:580:35:02

Now, the last thing her mother had said to Little Red Riding Hood was,

0:35:020:35:06

"Don't leave the path and don't talk to any strangers."

0:35:060:35:10

I'm afraid Little Red Riding Hood was not really listening.

0:35:100:35:14

48 hours later and Joshua's oxygen levels have improved.

0:35:210:35:25

I guess the key discussion for us is

0:35:290:35:32

he's improved, has he improved to the point we can do surgery?

0:35:320:35:36

Is this our window for surgery and if we wait are going to miss that?

0:35:360:35:40

I am not convinced that there's potential to improve an awful lot further,

0:35:400:35:45

so if we are going to wait a few more days,

0:35:450:35:48

it's not clear to me exactly what we are waiting for,

0:35:480:35:51

because things may not get much better.

0:35:510:35:53

I completely agree that this may be the window

0:35:530:35:56

that we are actually getting

0:35:560:35:57

for treating Joshua in the right direction,

0:35:570:35:59

but if anything can be done, probably,

0:35:590:36:02

this is the window we need to look at for doing this expansion.

0:36:020:36:05

I think, you know, we would have to have some serious discussion

0:36:050:36:09

with the family that the risk is he could die on the table, couldn't he?

0:36:090:36:14

That is a very real possibility as well.

0:36:140:36:16

You know, we should continue to also say

0:36:160:36:19

that if they felt that they didn't want to go down this route

0:36:190:36:23

given the risks now that we would fully support them in that decision as well.

0:36:230:36:27

They have to know that he has about a one in two chance of coming through.

0:36:270:36:32

You're semi-detached from this, Ruth.

0:36:320:36:35

-Well, I am.

-Are you disturbed by it?

-Yes, to be honest.

0:36:350:36:37

I've just come into this and don't really know the case,

0:36:370:36:42

but I have to say I am kind of taken aback about going forward

0:36:420:36:46

for such dramatic surgery with a risk of 50%.

0:36:460:36:49

That's... And I am detached. You know, I don't know the child.

0:36:490:36:53

It's a good point. On the other side of the coin is, sort of,

0:36:530:36:58

the alternative is 100% chance of death within a year probably.

0:36:580:37:02

I'd be very surprised if this child was alive in six months, even,

0:37:030:37:06

if he didn't have surgery.

0:37:060:37:09

And so that's the... The risk is in that context.

0:37:090:37:15

That, sort of, to me... On the one hand, is this whole thing crazy?

0:37:150:37:21

This is right at the edge of what I feel we're fully comfortable with doing.

0:37:220:37:27

Really right at the edge of it and...

0:37:270:37:30

I've brought Ruth, our trainee, along today - it's clear you feel exactly the same.

0:37:310:37:34

Or maybe it's over your edge. So, I'll be honest about it,

0:37:340:37:37

but as long as the parents are absolutely clear

0:37:370:37:40

that this is as far as, ethically, we feel able to go

0:37:400:37:43

and they understand how big the risks are, then...well, OK.

0:37:430:37:48

In the last 24 hours, we've turned the ventilator down some more

0:37:530:37:58

and so that's quite a lot more encouraging

0:37:580:38:01

and I personally feel a lot more comforted seeing that coming down.

0:38:010:38:05

Now, that doesn't by any means mean

0:38:050:38:07

that means we're going to sail through this procedure, but I think...

0:38:070:38:13

I get the feeling we're at the level,

0:38:130:38:15

the best we could have hoped for

0:38:150:38:17

So I think we've got to a point

0:38:170:38:20

where if we're going to do it,

0:38:200:38:22

probably now is the best time we can.

0:38:220:38:25

There are some risks that we do not know.

0:38:260:38:29

As I said, the experience on the surgery's quite dangerous.

0:38:290:38:32

The known risks are there are chances which are very high

0:38:320:38:35

that he will not come through, or he will not make it after surgery alive.

0:38:350:38:40

Other risks, which we know definitely,

0:38:400:38:42

are Joshua will need multiple surgeries

0:38:420:38:45

and at any stage he may fail to cope with all these interventions. We need to be aware of that.

0:38:450:38:50

Our own experience, we have lost two children.

0:38:510:38:55

When we say 50%, what we're saying is it's very high, you know?

0:38:550:38:59

It means if you took two children into the operating theatre,

0:38:590:39:03

only one of the children would come back out,

0:39:030:39:06

but the other thing that people felt we should also just discuss

0:39:060:39:11

is if things sadly go wrong in theatre,

0:39:110:39:14

would you want to come into theatre at that point?

0:39:140:39:17

We would talk to you at that time. But...

0:39:170:39:20

I'd rather... I don't want to see... I mean, obviously...

0:39:200:39:23

Well, I don't know. I don't know. Ask me that question, "If."

0:39:230:39:27

It's one to think about. I probably would.

0:39:270:39:30

Yeah, I don't know. I can't say.

0:39:300:39:32

On one hand, I don't want to take you there

0:39:320:39:34

because we hope we're going to get through,

0:39:340:39:36

but it's just something to think about.

0:39:360:39:39

All I can say... We'll cross that bridge if we come to it.

0:39:390:39:43

Yeah. Fair enough.

0:39:430:39:45

It was extremely difficult for me to put this in words to them, but it's my duty to.

0:39:560:40:01

You'll really be able to transfer your humane abilities

0:40:010:40:05

in the discussion process, convey them to parents,

0:40:050:40:08

help them to make a decision, but once the decision's made,

0:40:080:40:11

you should be strong enough to carry on.

0:40:110:40:13

There's no backing out.

0:40:130:40:15

My brave little soldier. Aren't you?

0:40:210:40:24

You know, to your mother, you're everything in the world.

0:40:240:40:27

You show them. Yeah? You show 'em.

0:40:320:40:37

This is Joshua Burns Adair.

0:40:440:40:47

Consented for lateral chest-expansion on both sides with metallic implants.

0:40:470:40:51

15.

0:40:530:40:55

Bone cutter.

0:40:590:41:01

Uh, the guide. The drill.

0:41:070:41:10

DRILL WHINES

0:41:140:41:17

-Everything has gone on well.

-It has?

0:41:500:41:51

Everything has gone on well and he is better.

0:41:510:41:55

Come. Joshua is here.

0:41:550:41:58

SHE SOBS

0:42:030:42:05

-Thank you very much.

-Thank you, don't worry.

0:42:080:42:12

-Thank you.

-A pleasure.

0:42:120:42:14

You can see that the chest is slightly wider

0:42:220:42:25

than how it was before. So far, so good.

0:42:250:42:27

We have crossed the major part of the bridge,

0:42:270:42:31

we still have some more time to go, but at least so far, we're OK.

0:42:310:42:34

A little fighter, right enough.

0:42:490:42:51

Well, touch wood, wherever there is any,

0:42:540:42:57

that everything's going OK at the moment

0:42:570:43:01

and hopefully going home today.

0:43:010:43:05

To Manchester. How does that sound, Mister?

0:43:050:43:09

A little fighter, right enough.

0:43:090:43:10

It's not over yet, so we've still got a long, long way to go with him, but...

0:43:100:43:14

Yeah, there is a long way, but he's here at the moment, he's doing OK

0:43:140:43:19

and just fingers crossed and just hope and pray every day

0:43:190:43:21

and just take each day as it comes, cos it is going to be

0:43:210:43:25

a long journey, but that's what we're prepared for.

0:43:250:43:29

-He's sneaking about.

-Hey, what's up?

0:43:290:43:32

Sh.

0:43:320:43:34

Joshua is being transferred back to his local hospital

0:43:430:43:46

where he will stay to recuperate.

0:43:460:43:48

His lungs are adapting well and growing into the space surgeons created in his chest,

0:43:500:43:55

but they will have to monitor him closely over the months to come.

0:43:550:43:58

Shauna is returning to Great Ormond Street from Middlesbrough.

0:44:200:44:23

It's four months since the ethics committee's discussion about Shauna's operation.

0:44:250:44:30

Her new windpipe is ready and surgery is scheduled for tomorrow.

0:44:300:44:35

So the two primary risks are getting in

0:44:370:44:40

and then sorting out how well the graft takes.

0:44:400:44:45

That does include a risk to life, as you know.

0:44:450:44:48

But I think she's at greater risk not having it done than having it done.

0:44:500:44:54

It's really difficult to put numbers on this

0:44:540:44:56

when we've only done such a small amount,

0:44:560:44:58

but, again, I think you said you understand that before.

0:44:580:45:01

I do, yeah.

0:45:010:45:03

I know you've thought about this a lot, Shauna, as well. You...

0:45:030:45:08

You know that we think we can help you with this, but we're not 100 per cent sure.

0:45:080:45:12

We think we can make it better. Last time we spoke you are up for that.

0:45:120:45:16

-Yeah.

-Is that still the case?

-Yeah.

0:45:160:45:20

OK. I'm sure you've talked about it a lot.

0:45:220:45:24

-Are you looking forward to it?

-I think she got a bit scared at the weekend and that,

0:45:260:45:30

but we've talked, haven't we?

0:45:300:45:33

-You're a brave girl.

-Very brave.

0:45:330:45:37

Tomorrow will be dreadful.

0:45:460:45:48

It will, it'll be dreadful, but she'll get through it.

0:45:500:45:53

I know she will.

0:45:530:45:55

She's been through a lot, so I know she'll get through -

0:45:550:45:58

well, I'm hoping she'll get through it, but I think she will.

0:45:580:46:03

It's the day of Shauna's operation.

0:46:090:46:11

A new trachea is being grown in a controlled environment

0:46:110:46:14

called a bio reactor, three miles away at the Royal Free Hospital.

0:46:140:46:18

It can only survive outside of the laboratory for an hour.

0:46:190:46:24

Its arrival at Great Ormond Street must be timed with the removal of her old trachea.

0:46:240:46:28

When someone's had as many operations as Shauna's had before,

0:46:300:46:33

all the surfaces stick together and it's very...

0:46:330:46:38

You have to do a bit of work to separate those surfaces

0:46:380:46:41

to make sure you can see all the bits that you need.

0:46:410:46:43

The other thing that makes getting into her chest difficult

0:46:430:46:47

is that she only has one lung,

0:46:470:46:49

so everything... Her heart is shifted over to the side without the lung,

0:46:490:46:55

so all the blood vessels which would normally be coming up

0:46:550:46:58

in nice, neat little arcs in the middle of the chest

0:46:580:47:00

are actually off to one side and curved in the wrong place,

0:47:000:47:03

but the point of no return will be when we remove the airway.

0:47:030:47:07

We have to put something in its place to get air to go

0:47:070:47:11

from the upper part of her body to the lung.

0:47:110:47:14

And if, for any reason, there's a disaster at that point,

0:47:140:47:17

then we would be in trouble.

0:47:170:47:19

We're going to have to move this lung

0:47:480:47:50

-to get to the trachea, aren't we?

-Yes, exactly.

0:47:500:47:53

-That's the trachea, is it?

-Yes.

0:47:530:47:56

-You can see right down to the trachea.

-Feel it. It's like...

-Rock.

0:47:560:48:00

If that's the trachea... Jesus Christ.

0:48:000:48:02

-Martin, the trachea is like a rock. It's like...

-Is it?

0:48:030:48:07

-Well, it feels like the spine.

-Really? My god.

0:48:090:48:12

-I thought we were on the spine.

-My god.

0:48:120:48:14

We've also got to free up the top

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and there's a whole other area stuck down here under the aorta,

0:48:190:48:23

so the more of that we can free, maybe we can get a better go at it.

0:48:230:48:26

-Scissors, please.

-Hand them back to me.

0:48:260:48:29

It's just not very visible what we're doing.

0:48:290:48:33

Scissors, please.

0:48:350:48:36

The Royal Free Hospital is on stand-by to transfer the new trachea,

0:48:430:48:47

but surgery is already running two hours behind.

0:48:470:48:51

Oh, hi, Mark. Yeah, it's Martin here.

0:48:550:48:57

Martin Elliott's struggling a little bit, well, quite a lot really.

0:48:570:49:02

He says it's the most difficult dissection he's ever done,

0:49:020:49:05

which is saying something for a man of his experience

0:49:050:49:09

and the lumen is absolutely minuscule.

0:49:090:49:11

It's a miracle she's been able to breathe.

0:49:110:49:14

He thinks we're not going to be sending for the graft

0:49:150:49:18

for another hour or so, I'm afraid.

0:49:180:49:20

That should be the track for the tracheostomy there.

0:49:230:49:26

-Can you feel it?

-Well, I can see it, actually.

-Oh.

0:49:260:49:28

After three hours of dissection, Martin has finally exposed

0:49:300:49:33

the narrow section of trachea which needs to be replaced.

0:49:330:49:37

I think we have to go into bypass next.

0:49:380:49:41

The vein is open, Nigel.

0:49:410:49:44

Drain. Thank you. There's a little bubble.

0:49:440:49:48

A bypass machine will pump oxygenated blood round Shauna's body.

0:49:490:49:55

As surgeons remove the trachea, she will not be able to breathe.

0:49:550:49:58

Hold those, please.

0:50:000:50:03

Somebody hold... Colin? Colin? That's it.

0:50:030:50:06

Hold both together, hold both. Really important.

0:50:060:50:09

Lift up the suture.

0:50:090:50:11

No, keep the suture tense.

0:50:110:50:13

Ah. Cramp.

0:50:140:50:15

OK. Right, let's get our breath back and have a little stretch

0:50:180:50:21

and calm down and we'll be OK.

0:50:210:50:23

-Full flow, did you say?

-Four hours into the operation

0:50:250:50:28

and Martin has removed most of the old trachea.

0:50:280:50:31

I think we need to call them.

0:50:340:50:35

OK, we have the call, please, to the Royal Free.

0:50:370:50:41

The new trachea can only survive outside the bio reactor

0:51:000:51:03

for an hour before it will start to degrade.

0:51:030:51:06

This is probably the best bit of her trachea.

0:51:420:51:45

You can see that it's really, really, really thick

0:51:450:51:48

and there's lots of calcium, and this is the widest part of it.

0:51:480:51:53

It should be much thinner-walled

0:51:530:51:55

and the hole, the lumen inside,

0:51:550:51:58

should be as big as the outside of this.

0:51:580:52:01

And this is the best bit. It was very, very stuck.

0:52:010:52:03

SIREN WAILS

0:52:190:52:22

So now we want to make sure there's nothing sharp

0:52:350:52:38

on the back of there and that there's room for the new graft.

0:52:380:52:43

If you put your finger behind the aorta

0:52:430:52:44

and you will feel masses of dense, fibrous tissue.

0:52:440:52:48

We have to make sure there's enough space.

0:52:490:52:51

What we can't have is the thing kinked by rigid tissue.

0:52:510:52:54

'Arriving at destination on right.'

0:53:060:53:09

It takes half an hour for the trachea to arrive at Great Ormond Street.

0:53:130:53:18

They now have another 30 minutes to transplant it in an optimum condition.

0:53:180:53:22

We are ready for the graft.

0:53:440:53:47

This is the top. Yeah?

0:53:470:53:51

It's just beautiful.

0:53:580:54:00

The lungs are coming up beautifully and there's no air leak at all.

0:54:140:54:19

Can you see inside? There's a join there we've made with stitches.

0:54:190:54:22

After eight hours of surgery, Shauna is off bypass

0:54:250:54:28

and breathing through her new trachea.

0:54:280:54:31

Can I just say while everybody's having a quiet moment,

0:54:330:54:36

thank you very much, everybody - you've worked your butts off today

0:54:360:54:39

and it's been really appreciated. Really, really nice. Thank you.

0:54:390:54:42

Oh, you're brave, Shauna.

0:55:020:55:04

-Thank you.

-Thank you very much.

-Take care. Sleep well.

-Thank you.

0:55:100:55:16

Two weeks after her surgery, and Shauna is well enough

0:55:320:55:36

to go back to Leeds hospital where she will begin her rehabilitation.

0:55:360:55:39

More emergency stuff.

0:55:390:55:41

Can you take care of that, Shauna? For the way down, yeah?

0:55:410:55:45

OK.

0:55:450:55:47

Let's rock and roll it, OK?

0:55:470:55:50

Bye, Richie.

0:55:540:55:56

Whilst her transplant has so far been successful,

0:55:580:56:01

the next few weeks will be critical.

0:56:010:56:04

It's just a tragedy.

0:56:370:56:39

I've feel so sorry for Shauna's family and for her.

0:56:390:56:42

Do you regret doing it?

0:56:420:56:45

Um, no, I don't regret doing it

0:56:460:56:47

because we knew from what was happening to Shauna beforehand

0:56:470:56:51

that she'd reached the end of conventional therapy.

0:56:510:56:54

You ask yourself this sort of thing all the time if something bad happens,

0:56:560:57:00

but if you don't try for that individual patient,

0:57:000:57:04

then you can make no progress.

0:57:040:57:06

Every patient who survives is standing on the shoulders of people who didn't.

0:57:060:57:12

Every operation we do learns from the experience of the previous one.

0:57:120:57:16

The more you do, the better you get.

0:57:160:57:19

Each of those sounds like a soundbite,

0:57:200:57:24

but they are all true.

0:57:240:57:27

The fundamental core principle of this is

0:57:270:57:31

is this the right general strategy to develop?

0:57:310:57:35

I don't think we have any doubts of that. We've talked about it a lot.

0:57:350:57:39

Should we abandon the sort of therapy or carry on?

0:57:390:57:43

And we are, as a group, convinced that we should carry on.

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