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In the Victorian era, Britain changed as never before.

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It was the time of great inventors, great engineers,

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but above all, great businessmen and entrepreneurs,

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and one of the best examples was the pioneer photographer Francis Frith.

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It was in the 1860s

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that Francis Frith embarked upon a monumental mission

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using the newly-invented photographic camera.

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He wanted to document every city, every town

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and every village in the land.

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I'm tracing the footsteps of this remarkable man

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and his team of photographers.

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Using their pictures as my guide,

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I'll be travelling the length and breadth of the country,

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finding out what has altered

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and what has stayed the same.

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Along the way, I'll be taking my own photos,

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to try and capture the mood of the place as it is now.

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That's great.

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Welcome to Britain's First Photo Album.

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Francis Frith founded the first

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successful photographic printing business.

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He had an eye for a good picture

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and for a business opportunity.

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A popular target for Frith

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and his photographers

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were the places people went to on holiday.

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Places they might want to remember with a photographic memento.

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I'm going to some of these

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Victorian resorts today,

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tracing the North East coastline

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from Hartlepool onto Saltburn,

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and finally, down to Whitby.

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I'll be seeing how gunpowder

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adds a blast from the past...

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-Is it very loud?

-Yes.

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-You might want to step a little further back.

-OK.

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..what miners thought about rats...

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So you looked at them, well, in a sort of friendly way.

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Yes, they were a man's friend.

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..and discover the choice ingredients of Whitby stews.

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-Sheep heads?

-Sheep heads, they used to put sheep heads,

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and they used to run a mile when she used to say the dinner was ready.

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My first stop is at one of the most famous

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industrial ports and shipyards

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of the North East.

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You don't expect to see tourist attractions in Hartlepool,

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but look at these splendid restored ships.

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They are a reminder that in Victorian times,

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this was a major seaside resort. And whenever a town had visitors,

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you can be sure the Frith photographers weren't far behind.

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And in 1886, when our photograph was taken,

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the Frith team headed straight for the shoreline.

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They came here for one reason only.

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My first photo today

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is of a most unusual Hartlepool attraction.

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It was known, for obvious reasons,

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as the Elephant Rock.

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A weird and wonderful formation that drew

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the crowds, as well as the early photographers.

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I've come to the same shoreline to meet Hartlepool archaeologist

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Mark Simmons.

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We expect the incessant beating of the waves to change the landscape,

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but for modern followers of Frith like me,

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there's a major disappointment in store.

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Now, you're going to tell me the bad news.

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The bad news is, you can't take a photograph of the Elephant Rock

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because it was washed away by a storm in 1891.

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-So I'm a bit late for that. 1891.

-Just a little bit late.

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But we can still go down onto the foreshore

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-and have a look at where Frith took the photograph from.

-OK.

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Part of the Elephant Rock's mystery

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was that it existed for no more than a few decades.

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A blink of an eye in geological time.

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So, unlike me, Frith's team were lucky enough

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to be in the right place at the right time.

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But can I solve the mystery of the missing elephant?

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Mark is going to show me

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how much this coastline has altered in the last couple of centuries.

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The original coastline, 150 years ago,

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was beyond where the waves are breaking against the shoreline now.

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All this area in front of us was originally solid rock,

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going out as far as about 100 metres that way.

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But interestingly, it wasn't only natural forces that created

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and then destroyed the Elephant Rock.

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This is a drawing from 1847,

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and you can see where quarrying,

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to get hold of the limestone for building work in local buildings,

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has pushed into the side of the coastline, into the cliff face.

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You can see the stacks left here, behind.

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Probably this is the Elephant Rock, just in here.

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This earlier stack is starting to disappear.

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So you can see it's partly because of the quarrying

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and partly because of the movement of the waves.

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So this is where the elephant would have been.

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Yes, and you can see from the background

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the shape of the rock behind us.

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Just the feet and the very tip of the trunk left behind by the sea.

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Why would the Frith photographer have taken this picture?

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What's getting him excited?

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I think he knew that this would sell

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and in the ten years after he took that photograph,

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it was turned into numerous postcards.

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It was sold here on the promenade

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from the ice-cream shop and the bandstand.

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So profits on a photograph as a souvenir are almost limitless.

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It wasn't only Elephant Rock that vanished from Hartlepool.

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As the town became more industrial in the 20th century,

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holidaymakers too disappeared,

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choosing elsewhere for their seaside fun.

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Hartlepool's tourist industry all but died out.

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Recently, however,

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things have picked up, with the opening of a dockyard attraction.

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Here, you can be drawn back

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into the town's history,

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and experience the seaport

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as it might have been when Britain and France

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were fighting for control of the high seas.

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While the Frith photograph was of

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what the Victorian's were flocking to see,

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my photo is going to be of what 21st-century folk are keen on.

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Although it's a place where you can easily get distracted,

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especially by a mock-Georgian gentleman firing his cannon.

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What would it have fired?

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Cannon were rated by the size of the ball they fired.

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So this one was a three-pounder.

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That would be a three-pound shell?

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Yeah. It also... There's another one called chain shot,

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two cannonballs chained together.

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If you wanted to take down the rigging on a ship,

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you might not want to sink the ship,

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especially if you were going to take it as a prize.

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I can imagine being all at sea with that.

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I need some training.

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When you feel there's nothing in the barrel, you know it's safe.

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Nowadays, re-enactments are a must

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at any attraction worthy of its name.

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-The cartridge goes in there.

-Right.

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Here in Hartlepool, they go off with a bang.

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-Is it very loud?

-Yes.

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-You might want to step a little bit further back.

-OK, all right.

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We'll go after three. One, two, three.

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Oh, terrific.

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In modern Britain, elephant-shaped rocks aren't that much of a draw,

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but re-enactors Stuart and Nina do pull in the crowds,

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so they're going to be the inspiration for my photo.

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The first time I've used professional models.

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That's great.

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Frith's photo was of Hartlepool's top tourist attraction,

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and over 120 years later, so too is mine.

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What's interesting is that Hartlepool

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and this museum gets lots of tourism awards.

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So although it looked for a time as if

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it would never be a seaside resort any more,

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never attract visitors, it now really does.

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To find the subject of my next Frith photo,

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I'm heading a few miles down the coast to Saltburn-by-the-Sea,

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a spot that was transformed during Frith's career.

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One of Hartlepool's problems

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was the growing popularity of bathing in the sea.

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To do that and enjoy it, you need sand

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and Hartlepool didn't have any sand.

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And there were other resorts on the Cleveland coast

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that could do better than that. They did have sand.

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Saltburn-by-the-Sea cut the mustard.

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It had, and still has, long sandy beaches and dramatic views.

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And, of course, that other great Victorian asset - a pier,

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but that wasn't all, it even had a water-balanced funicular railway

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to take the visitors to and from the beach.

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Here, it's perfectly captured by the Frith photographer.

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In short, Saltburn was a sure-fire hit

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with even the most discerning of Victorian holidaymakers.

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I'm arriving over 120 years after the Frith photo was taken,

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but it would appear Victorian values haven't entirely disappeared.

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This is just the perfect way to get to the beach.

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Past, present and future.

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The modern surfers are out there with their wet suits,

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and the old Victorian tramway is still working.

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It is just the perfect way for people to keep up the past

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and keep history alive.

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But Saltburn didn't simply evolve into a seaside resort.

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It was carefully planned, the dream of one family.

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I'm heading to the beach to meet industrial historian

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Steve Sherlock to find out more.

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The vision for Saltburn was from the Pease family of Darlington,

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who were Quakers, and had a vision of how the town should grow.

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They decided what should be built and what shouldn't be built.

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So, for example, as Quakers,

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they were teetotal and not wanting any pubs to be in the town.

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So they were more interested in reading rooms.

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So when was the first new pub built here?

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-Well, the first new pub was only built in 1986.

-Good heavens.

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That's a Quaker tradition, isn't it, in this town?

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Entrepreneur and politician Henry Pease was a visionary,

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but first and foremost, he was a businessman

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and two ventures occupied him above all others.

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Iron mining and railways.

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His family had been directors

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of the famous Stockton-Darlington railway line,

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the world's first passenger railway.

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And in 1861, he built an extension around the coast

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all the way to Saltburn.

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But is he concerned, at that stage,

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in getting as many visitors here as possible?

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No, in the first instance,

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he's thinking about it being an economic thing, a mineral railway.

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The visitors are secondary and a spin-off from that.

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-What, so he wants the mineral rights?

-Yes, indeed.

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On both sides of the railway, or near the railway?

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He had spoken with the landowners

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and had secured royalties for tramways to bring iron ore,

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which is the mineral we are looking at, back to furnaces on Teesside.

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So when we get to this and what we're looking at,

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it's the great businessman, but also the person who wants

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to build a town he can be proud of?

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Yes, leaving a legacy, if you wish.

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I suppose the biggest legacy here is the funicular railway

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which we see in the Frith photograph?

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Yes, indeed, that's just ahead of us here.

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Why did it matter so much to have this railway,

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this splendid construction?

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There's no point taking people to the seaside

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and leaving them at the top of the cliff.

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You've got to get them to the beach to enjoy the facilities you offer.

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-That's where this comes into play?

-Yes.

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-And it is a wonderful construction, isn't it?

-It is, it's fantastic.

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The cliff lift really is incredibly simple.

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It relies on little more than gravity.

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Both cars have water tanks

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and as water is poured into the top car,

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it becomes heavier than the other car,

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so down the hill it goes, pulling the lighter car up at the same time.

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I can't wait to enjoy this special experience.

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Why do you think people like this so much? They still do, don't they?

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The views are fantastic and it's just a bit of Victoriana, really.

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It is, it's also nice that it's run by water, isn't it?

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It seems sort of natural.

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-Yeah, and not polluting or anything.

-Yeah. So it's modern.

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-It's really lazy.

-Yes, it is a lazy way to get up, but it's beautiful.

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There you go, folks. Thank you very much.

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Well, lazy or not, this is one form of public transport

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that is quite rightly cherished.

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It's not just a matter of nostalgia.

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Everybody likes it, don't they?

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Yeah, they seem to, yeah.

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It's just one of those things... I've never heard any complaints.

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-And how difficult is it to work?

-Typical Victorian, it's very simple.

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-Are you going to show me how it works?

-Certainly, yes.

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-I press the bell.

-Yeah.

-Reset the brakes.

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And then I start to put water in the tram.

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-We let the brake off slightly.

-Right.

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Then we wait for the car to start to move.

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All I do now is control the speed.

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-It's wonderfully simple, isn't it?

-It's very simple.

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It's coming into land,

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it's coming through the speed trap, so I'm slowing it down.

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-Right.

-Here we go, we're coming into land now at the top.

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-Unfortunately, the brakes are binding a bit.

-That's all right.

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-There it is. Into land.

-OK.

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We make sure the brake's off, put the main brake on.

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-And you open the door?

-And I open the door.

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The original 1880s design of the funicular was so good

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that aside from modern safety brakes,

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remarkably little has changed.

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There we go, folks, thank you very much now.

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Happy customers.

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Happy customers, yes.

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For Frith, this cliff railway

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was part of the reason for

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Saltburn's success as a seaside destination.

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Today, it's an historic attraction in its own right

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and it will make a perfect addition to my album.

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Right, that's really good.

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We've got the top of the tramway,

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we've got our driver, Bob.

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And we've got a couple on the side who look happy.

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The thing is, this is the kind of thing that cheers people up,

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and why not?

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My picture compares with Frith's photo quite well, I think.

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His was taken from below, mine is from above.

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With a bicycle,

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Bob at his station

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and a couple enjoying a walk by the sea,

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there's just enough of the modern world

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to remind us that this isn't the 19th century.

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We've also captured the enthusiasm of it. That's what I've tried to do.

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These people are enjoying themselves.

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Bob admits he's got one of the best jobs in the world.

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I'm on a trip to tell the story of Britain's First Photo Album,

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tracing the footsteps of Francis Frith and his team,

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using the photographs they took

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in order to discover how life has changed.

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Having moved south from the Port of Hartlepool

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to the resort of Saltburn-by-the-Sea,

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I don't have far to find my next Frith photo.

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In fact, I'm only taking a short walk out of the town

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to a place called Cat Nab,

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and this is what I'm looking for.

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A view that the Frith team captured in 1885.

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It shows the clash between the old rural way of life,

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represented by this farm which once would have stood here alone,

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and the new bustling Saltburn,

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with its great Victorian homes dominating the top of the cliff.

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The building boom was financed from the fast developing mining industry.

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Here, we can see exactly where he took the photograph.

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There's the farm, which we can still see here, the farm buildings.

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There's the road coming round the corner, there.

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What do we see here on the horizon?

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We see the new Saltburn, the seaside resort.

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What we're seeing along here are the poorer houses,

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these are the houses for the workers.

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What are the workers doing?

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They are going across this bridge to the mine

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because the whole of Saltburn's prosperity in the Victorian period

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is based upon the mineral rights.

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It looks a rather odd picture,

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but it's an odd picture with a very interesting story.

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The way mining transformed the local landscape

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can be fully appreciated here at the Skinningrove iron mine,

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one of the main employers in the area.

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In Frith's time, the mine was owned by, yes, you've guessed it,

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the Pease family.

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It's now a museum

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and I'm being shown around by retired miner Alan Richardson.

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This illustrates our mine in its heyday.

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It was one of the largest mines in the area.

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We employed about 860 people.

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On the picture here, we see the railway.

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You know that Pease and partners were big railway people.

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They were very moral people, being Quakers.

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Safety standards weren't high, but they weren't anywhere in those days.

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Their excuse for people dying was that it was probably an act of God,

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rather than anything to do with them,

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but other than that, they did try to look after the employees.

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Despite the dangers in the mid-19th century,

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thousands of people came from all over the country

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to find work here in Cleveland.

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With 82 different mines,

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it was one of the global centres of the iron industry.

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When Skinningrove mine opened in 1848,

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Britain was producing more iron than the rest of the world put together.

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Railways, bridges, great iron and glass buildings,

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these were being constructed at a staggering rate.

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The splendour of the finished product was in sharp contrast

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to the grim conditions in the mines.

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Conditions in those days weren't very good.

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First of all, it was very wet, there was always water drips.

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They used to say - if it rains on the surface on a Monday,

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it rains underground on a Tuesday.

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It took a day for the water to percolate through.

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We're walking down the access shaft that leads into the mine,

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a long sloping tunnel that runs for hundreds of metres

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all the way down to the rock face.

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Every tunnel grew by at least a metre a day,

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but the Pease family were organised.

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They protected the major tunnels with up to three layers of bricks,

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and where did the bricks come from?

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From one of their own brickworks.

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They owned everything, didn't they?

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-Absolutely.

-They could be very tough employers, couldn't they?

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Oh, yes, very exacting, John.

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For instance, in those early days, having large families was common,

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but if a miner actually went to work and got killed,

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the clerk would go to the house as soon as it was known

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and inform the widow that her husband had been killed

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and she would get 14 days' notice.

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What, to leave the house?

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To vacate the house, because there was no longer a miner in there.

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-Well, you can't get tougher than that, can you?

-Not really.

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-We would regard that as pretty well inhuman, wouldn't we?

-Indeed, yes.

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Today, the deeper tunnels at Skinningrove are flooded with water,

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but to get a feel of what life was like at the rock face,

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the museum has cleverly recreated the original scene.

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What do they do?

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Both sides are mining, or are they mining from the front?

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Using one of these, which is called a jumper drill...

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-Right. Oh, it's heavy, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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They would punch that at the face.

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Chop a hole,

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until they had got the thing in about one yard,

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and then they would put in gunpowder

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and explode it.

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You're moving the ironstone?

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Yes, it's been moved out.

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I notice that we have got here...

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The miner's friend, the rat.

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Miners were very conscious of having rats.

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They were an aid to us because they are extremely sensitive,

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especially to foul air and gas.

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They seemed as if they had a sixth sense about the instability of rock.

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So when you were a miner, how often would you come across a rat?

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Every day. All the time.

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So you looked at them, well, in a sort of friendly way?

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Yes, indeed, they were a miner's friend.

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If it had not been for the vast profits of the mining industry,

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the grand new houses in our Frith photo would not have been built

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and Saltburn would not have emerged from a sleepy rural backwater

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into a thriving Victorian seaside resort.

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Although it was the Pease family who had the vision,

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it was Alan's predecessors down the mine who made it all possible.

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That's why, in my photo, I'm giving ex-miner Alan pride of place.

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Your life's work as a miner. OK? That's what we must think about.

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Frith captured the new world above ground,

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I wanted to go below, to tell the story behind the story.

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That's my picture, because that's Alan, a real miner,

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in what is now just a mining museum.

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It does capture that period,

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and you think of how splendid Saltburn-by-the-Sea is,

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but built on the backs

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and the hard work of the miners.

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So we come to the last Frith photo for today.

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For that, I'm moving further south, but sticking firmly to the coast,

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to Whitby.

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This beautiful fishing town has enjoyed a long and proud history

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dating back to the Middle Ages and beyond.

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My mission in Whitby is very specific

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and it concerns an intriguing Frith photo.

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It's set close to the port

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and shows the children of one of Whitby's fishing families.

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For once, it's not the location

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of the photo that concerns me,

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but who's in it and who took it.

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That photograph is unusual for a number of reasons.

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We don't normally get so many people in the picture,

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and this is one of those rare occasions

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when we can identify

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which of the Frith photographers took the picture.

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He is an interesting character in his own right.

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Frith's company became so successful that Frith alone

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couldn't possibly keep up with the workload.

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He soon employed an army of photographers across the country.

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Most of them are long forgotten,

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but one of his agents, based in Whitby,

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was a distinguished photographer - Frank Sutcliffe.

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Many of his original photos have survived to this day

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and are now in the possession of gallery owner Mike Shaw.

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One of his first commissions,

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actually, was by Francis Frith,

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to take some photographs of the abbeys

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-and ruins round Whitby.

-So he got a break with Frith?

-Indeed.

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In amongst the photos that Sutcliffe took for Frith

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is the picture of the children on the beach

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that I find so fascinating.

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Why do you know that that's a Sutcliffe photograph?

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The style is Sutcliffe's.

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It's not the type of photograph

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that's normally in the Francis Frith collection.

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You normally expect street scenes with the Francis Frith ones.

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So that again leads to the fact that it's by Frank Sutcliffe.

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Where do you think it was taken?

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By the look of the rocks and everything,

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I would say pretty much over there. Where those rocks are.

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Right, just over there.

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Quite a few of Sutcliffe photographs were taken of people on rocks.

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It was obviously at low tide.

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That's right, yes. This is the Peart family.

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Quite a well-known family.

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It's a good Whitby name, is Peart.

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Your father bought the whole Sutcliffe collection, is that right?

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My father bought the collection when I was born.

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There are about 1,600 glass negatives which,

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in the terms of the Francis Frith collection,

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is small, but it is a superb collection.

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Mike helped me find out where our photo was taken but there's more -

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a direct connection to the family in the picture.

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We've managed to track down the descendants of the Peart family

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from that Frith photograph.

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I wonder if we'll recognise them from the photograph?

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I'm going to meet Susan Storr,

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who is still very much part of the Whitby fishing community.

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It is 120 years after her young grandmother

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was photographed on the rocks.

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Ginny, my grandmother,

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this is her, look.

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This is her as well.

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-Oh, that's nice, yes.

-She was the youngest girl.

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She looks a bit, well, she doesn't look very happy, does she?

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She doesn't. Maybe because they had a very hard life,

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life was very hard in them days.

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Did she talk about the difficulties they had, the hard times they had?

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-Yes, they were fisher folk.

-Yeah.

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Same as what we are now.

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What happened to her in later life?

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-She had three daughters and she outlived all her daughters.

-Really?

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-This is Ginny celebrating her Diamond wedding.

-Oh, yes.

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-How old would she have been then?

-Ginny was about 85 there.

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-How old was she when she died?

-92, she lived until she was 92.

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So although she looks as though she could do with a square meal,

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she survived, she must have been strong.

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-She was only about four foot ten, actually.

-Was she?

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She was a very hard worker and she worked until she was 76.

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-It's maybe all that sheep head soup she used to cook.

-Sheep head soup?

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They used to put sheep heads and make a stew out of that.

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Do you remember that?

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I can't, but my brothers can and they used to run a mile

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when she used to say dinner was ready.

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Well, something Ginny did certainly worked,

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because the Peart family has continued to thrive in Whitby.

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With Susan's help, I've been able to assemble a fascinating line-up

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for what I hope will be a special addition to our photo album.

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Right, thank you very much for coming.

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We can't take the photograph exactly where it was

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because if we do, we'll be all in the sea, won't we?

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We don't want to do that.

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So let's meet the current family.

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There's Susan's brother, David.

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Second cousins Leslie and Robert.

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First cousin once-removed Dave.

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Grandson Travis. And not forgetting

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Sue herself and her daughter Lisa.

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All direct descendants from the Pearts of our Frith photo.

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That's marvellous, and you're on the rocks where your ancestors were.

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Extra happiness, yeah, that looks good.

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So there it is, the Pearts of Whitby,

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but this time, 21st-century Pearts in a 21st-century Whitby.

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It is extraordinary, isn't it?

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The rocks are the same,

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some of the people look the same,

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a sort of family resemblance.

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But, of course,

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there's more than 100 years separating these two photographs.

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But times were hard then, times are pretty hard now.

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I can see what the photographer was doing here.

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I've tried to replicate it there.

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If you want to find out more about Britain's First Photo Album, go to:

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Join me next time, when I'll be heading to the Peak District

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and the final stretch of my journey.

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I'll be paying homage to Frith in the town where he was born.

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I'll be visiting one of Britain's most romantic stately homes.

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-And I must say...

-It is absolutely stunning, isn't it?

-It's wonderful.

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And I'll be having a flutter on the horses.

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-Are you a bit worried?

-Not really!

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