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'Just over a century ago, the motion camera was invented | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
'and changed forever the way we record our history. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
'For the first time, we saw life through the eyes of ordinary people. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
'Across this series, we bring these rare archive films back to life, | 0:00:18 | 0:00:23 | |
'with the help of our vintage mobile cinema. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
'We'll be inviting people with a story to tell to step on board | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
'and relive moments they thought were gone for ever. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
'They'll see relatives on screen for the first time, | 0:00:39 | 0:00:43 | |
'come face-to-face with their younger selves | 0:00:43 | 0:00:46 | |
'and celebrate our amazing 20th-century past.' | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
This is the people's story - our story. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
'Our vintage mobile cinema was originally commissioned in 1967 | 0:01:19 | 0:01:24 | |
'to show training films to workers. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
'It's been lovingly restored and loaded up with remarkable footage, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:31 | |
'preserved for us by the British Film Institute | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
'and other national and regional film archives. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
'In this series, we're travelling to towns and cities across the country, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
'showing films from the 20th century | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
'that give us the "reel" history of Britain. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
'Today, we're going back to school in the '60s...' | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
# Multiplication # | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
'..to capture the spirit of secondary modern education.' | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
# ..Multiplication That's the name of the game | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
# And each generation... # | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
We're in the Francis Combe Academy in Watford | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
to find out whether the eleven-plus in the '60s hindered or helped pupils. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
'Coming up, a former pupil who comes face-to-face with his younger self.' | 0:02:35 | 0:02:41 | |
I look at that pimply, untidy child | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
and think, "I could be outside playing rather than in here." | 0:02:43 | 0:02:48 | |
'The TV presenter who fell foul of the eleven-plus.' | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
I failed - and it was shock horror. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
'And I hear what secondary modern schools meant for children.' | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
It was considered to be one of the more pioneering aspects | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
of the education system. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
'We've come to the Francis Combe Academy in Watford | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
'because this school was chosen to be the subject of a 1962 film | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
'about a day in the life of a secondary modern school. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
'Today, it's a thriving comprehensive with over 1,000 pupils. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
'But we're winding the clock back | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
'to capture the spirit of secondary modern education. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
'We all have schoolday memories, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
'but if you were a ten-year-old in the '50s and '60s, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
'one memory might be stronger than most. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
'Your future rested on the outcome of a single exam, the eleven-plus. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
'In 1944, the Butler Education Act brought educational reform, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
'designed to break down class barriers in England and Wales. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
'Scotland followed in 1945. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
'It made secondary education free and compulsory for all children. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:26 | |
'The Act also created the eleven-plus exam, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
'to select pupils for the right school. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
'Passing granted you access to grammar school and university. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
'Those who failed received a vocational education, occasionally at a technical school, | 0:04:41 | 0:04:47 | |
'but usually at a secondary modern. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
'Supporters of the eleven-plus argued it gave working-class kids | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
'a fairer chance of success. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
'Critics said it meant failing one exam at 11 doomed you for life. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:00 | |
'On Reel History, we'll be hearing how this exam affected the lives | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
'of all those pupils who sat it. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
'Joining me today are former pupils from the '60s | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
'who've come from all over the country to tell me their experience of secondary school life. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:25 | |
'Many of them will be seeing our films for the first time. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
'Some will be watching themselves on our silver screen. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
'Marylyn Mason has travelled here today from Lincolnshire. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
'She is among three out of four pupils to fail the eleven-plus in the 1960s. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:44 | |
'That didn't stop her from carving out a career in television. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
'She was the face of Calendar TV in Yorkshire, | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
'and co-presented a programme with Richard Whiteley for 20 years.' | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
-You failed to pass your scholarship. -I did. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
-I used the word "fail", which people don't use nowadays. -You're right. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
-You felt that you failed. -Yes, because all through primary school, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
through junior school, I'd been in the top three. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
There was never any doubt | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
that I was going to pass and go to grammar school. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
-I failed, and it was shock horror. -Did you enjoy being at the secondary modern? -Oh, yes. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:26 | |
I had a marvellous headmaster, because when I went there, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
he said, "You're better being a big fish in a small pool, than a small fish in a big pool." | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
I thought, "Oh, yeah." | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
The people who'd gone on to grammar school thought they were the elite. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:44 | |
They had everything in front of them. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
My father actually said to me, "This will make you fight harder. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
"You will work harder to achieve more." I suppose I did, in a way. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:56 | |
'Today, we're taking this former TV presenter back to her schooldays. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
'What memories will these films evoke for Marylyn?' | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
I thought I was back there. It was absolutely amazing. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
I knew that we were going to see film from the '60s, | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
but you actually see yourself. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
It's so true that you think, "Oh! That could have been me!" | 0:07:29 | 0:07:32 | |
And the school looked exactly like my school. So yes, amazing! | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
Transports you right back there. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
'Marylyn sat her eleven-plus in 1958. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:44 | |
'Her mother was a teacher, so there were high expectations.' | 0:07:44 | 0:07:49 | |
My mother was absolutely devastated. It was the end of the world. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
It had shamed her in front of the family. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
I'd let her down. She was SO upset. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
I cannot tell you how upset she was. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
It was awful. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
She blamed my father for moving his job so that I had to move school. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
'The eleven-plus tested pupils in three areas - writing, arithmetic | 0:08:11 | 0:08:17 | |
'and general problem solving. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:19 | |
'Critics believed the exam was elitist and put young children under stress, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:25 | |
'according to this BBC Panorama programme.' | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
Mummy and Daddy want me to pass. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
-Yes. -Daddy said if I don't, I'll get a thick ear. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
-Did he? -Yes. -Are you frightened of that? -No. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
I'm sure he didn't mean it... | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
'Marylyn thrived at her secondary modern, Ribbleton Hall in Preston, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:43 | |
'and passed eight O-Levels, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
'but the stigma of failing her eleven-plus was difficult to shake off.' | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
You do feel a failure. I'd felt a real failure | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
throughout my time at secondary school. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
You think the people at the grammar school are the clever people. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
I felt I had a lot to achieve. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
I had to prove myself, so I did work hard at school. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
'Secondary modern schools didn't have sixth forms so Marylyn's headmaster helped her transfer | 0:09:11 | 0:09:17 | |
'to Chorley Grammar School to take A-levels. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
'She later became deputy head girl.' | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
I found it daunting, thinking, "How am I going to manage at A-level | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
"with all these clever grammar school people?" | 0:09:27 | 0:09:31 | |
I fitted in very well and found that I was just as good as they were. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
I really enjoyed my time there. There were some good teachers there. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:41 | |
Had I always gone to the grammar school, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
I probably would have, inevitably, gone to university. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
'Like many other former secondary school pupils, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
'Marylyn went on to achieve success.' | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
Because I felt I'd let my mother down so badly, I had to prove that I could achieve things in life. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:02 | |
I suppose my A-levels were the next big thing. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
So I felt I'd achieved something. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
Made amends! LAUGHS | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
'My next guest also failed the eleven-plus. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
'58-year-old Barbara Lee from Twickenham suffered all her life | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
'from a lack of confidence. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
'She believes that being told she wasn't good enough at a young age | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
'had a long-term effect.' | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
The word "failure" sticks in your mind. It's the word, isn't it? | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
'Barbara came from a traditional background in Hendon, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
'and was expected to raise a family rather than have a career.' | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
This is a diary from 1963, all the things we did when we were younger. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:59 | |
We'd better keep that private. Had enough in the newspapers. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:03 | |
'We're going to transport Barbara back | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
'to the days when she was an 11-year-old schoolgirl. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
'Will this BBC documentary made in 1962 | 0:11:16 | 0:11:20 | |
'about secondary modern education bring back difficult memories?' | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
Well, Janet, you're 11 years of age now. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
You've left the primary school and come to the secondary school. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
'It shows an 11-year-old girl at her new secondary modern school.' | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
We were rather sorry Janet failed the eleven-plus. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
Well, I hardly think that "failed" is the right word, Mrs Kitchen. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
'When that teacher mentioned about failing the eleven-plus,' | 0:11:46 | 0:11:52 | |
it got a weakness in me because that's what I did, I failed the eleven-plus. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
What happened was that Janet took a test so that we could find out | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
exactly which school would suit her best. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
You were pigeon-holed. They saw you as having that ability for the rest of your life. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:11 | |
She would have failed had she been selected for the wrong school. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:15 | |
If she's been selected for the right school, then she's passed the test. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:20 | |
That's quite damaging for children to think at that age | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
that is going to be them for the rest of their life. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
'Barbara remembers how the two sexes were typecast. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
'Boys got metalwork and woodwork. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
'The girls were steered towards typing and cooking.' | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
We were doing domestic science. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:44 | |
If you went to grammar school, you might have been doing a language | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
or literature or more academic subjects. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
So you were very much put in that "womanly" subject area. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
For us, it was either be a secretary | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
or teacher's training college if you got the qualifications. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
But really, it was a stop-gap before getting married and having a family. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
'At 22, Barbara embarked on seven years of night school, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
'obtained a degree in social science | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
'and today she's an adult education lecturer.' | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
How many quarters do we need to make a whole one? | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
I haven't gone round in my life saying, "I failed the eleven-plus." | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
The word "failure" carries such a powerful message, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
if you get it when you're younger it's difficult to shake it off, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
whatever you do as you mature. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
'So what was the thinking behind an education system | 0:13:48 | 0:13:52 | |
'that gave many children like Barbara a sense of failure? | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
'The Francis Combe Academy was one of the new secondary modern schools | 0:13:56 | 0:14:01 | |
'built to accommodate the 75% of children who failed the eleven-plus. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:07 | |
'I'm off to the woodwork room to find out more from educational historian Kathy Burke.' | 0:14:07 | 0:14:13 | |
What did the eleven-plus do? | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
In shorthand terms, it sorted children. It sorted them. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
Whether it tested or measured their intelligence is subject to debate. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
And it was a fierce debate that occurred in the 1950s. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
But it effectively sorted children so they could be slotted in, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
and it would fit them, then, on a route for life in general. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:40 | |
'The secondary modern schools that sprung up in the 1950s were light, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
'airy and modern in design. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
'Free from the constraints of preparing children for exams, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
'teachers could afford to be experimental.' | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
Teachers could have freedom to experiment | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
and to teach the way they wanted to, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
design an education within an atmosphere of freedom. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
That was quite a progressive idea. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
-Words. -Snap. -"Snap", not bad. Let's put "snap" down... | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
And so, for the first ten years, the secondary modern school | 0:15:14 | 0:15:19 | |
was considered to be one of the more pioneering aspects of the education system. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
'Kathy herself remembers passing her eleven-plus, | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
'but it's a memory full of trepidation.' | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
I was acutely aware that, um... | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
there was a chance of failing or passing. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
And if you passed, you were somehow safe. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
I knew the physical space I was going to, the school I was going to, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
the grammar school. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
Those who failed, who went to the modern school, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
seemed to go into an abyss, you never saw them again. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
I was aware of that. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
We were all told that this was THE most important thing in our lives. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:02 | |
'Initially, secondary moderns weren't expected to offer O-levels. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
'Pupils received a School Leaving Certificate instead. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
'As the '50s marched on, teachers realised their pupils were capable of more.' | 0:16:13 | 0:16:19 | |
Some teachers started to put children through examinations | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
in these schools, and, lo and behold, they passed. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:27 | |
So this was a crisis for the idea of the modern school, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
which was to avoid those sorts of things. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
It seemed to be not distinctly different from the lower end of the grammar school. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:40 | |
'By 1963, one in ten secondary modern pupils were sitting O-levels, | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
'and some got very good results. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
'The writing was on the wall for the two-tier educational system.' | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
Don't throw them, Brenda. There's a good girl. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
'On Reel History today, we're at the Francis Combe Academy in Watford, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
'to hear some remarkable stories of how the eleven-plus exam | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
'affected the lives of children who sat it in the 1960s. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:18 | |
'This school was thrust into the limelight in 1962, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
'in a documentary about a day in the life of a secondary modern. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
'Paid for by the National Union of Teachers, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:29 | |
'the aim was to show parents what goes on during the school day.' | 0:17:29 | 0:17:34 | |
..For ever and ever, amen. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
'We've organised a school reunion for former pupils who appeared in the film, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:43 | |
'and invited along the film-maker, 87-year-old John Krish. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:50 | |
Did you have a sense that people felt they'd failed because they'd not passed their eleven-plus? | 0:17:50 | 0:17:55 | |
Not for one moment. I felt that they were at home. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
They were pleased to be here and they were succeeding. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
'63-year-old Bernie Bachelor was one of the stars of John's film. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:09 | |
'Bernie was the class clown. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
'He left school without being able to read or write.' | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
Did you feel you were well-taught at this school? | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
Um...from my perspective, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
in the early days of the school, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
not really - I left school not being able to read and write properly. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
I never got round to it till I started long-distance lorry driving. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
I had to read the place names | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
and road signs to get to where I was going. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
I feel that I learnt quite a lot in life skills, having left school. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
'Someone else who starred in the film was Yvonne Shaw from London. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
'She suffered from dyslexia | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
'and was a bit of a rebel during her time at Francis Combe.' | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
-Did you enjoy it here? -It was an experience. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
Also, coming from any infants school to a big school like this - | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
it's big now, it was big then - | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
was a cultural change, big shock. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
The company was great. The school clubs were great. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
But any authority that you have to deal with, students have to rebel against. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
I was quite rebellious. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
'Now they're all about to step on board | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
'and travel back in time to 1962, and come face-to-face | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
'with their younger selves. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
'The documentary featuring Bernie, Yvonne and the others is Our School. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:41 | |
'It's a fascinating record of teaching styles in postwar Britain, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
'and was shown on the BBC to millions of viewers in the 1960s.' | 0:19:46 | 0:19:51 | |
Come on. Get a move on. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Sit down and get your homework out. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
'Yvonne, now a medical therapist, has never seen the film before. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
'How will she feel now, watching her 15-year-old self?' | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
When the solution is pumped in, we pick up current through this brush | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
and transfer it onto the copper cylinder, revolving in the solution. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
We can set up a similar arrangement in the lab... | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
It was like being back at school. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
You could remember physically being there, so I found it quite moving | 0:20:27 | 0:20:32 | |
to see that and then see the people around me. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
'Yvonne appeared when the film followed her class on a school trip | 0:20:35 | 0:20:40 | |
'to a local paper mill.' | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
I think the school represented a place of change. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
Seeing very young beings, which I was, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
reminds you so much of those tender feelings which you forget, | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
and it was just nice to see them again. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
Just remembering who you were and who one is now, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
makes one feel more complete, brings your childhood back. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
'Yvonne passed 11 O-levels at 16, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
'but until 1972, secondary modern pupils could leave school at 15 | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
'without taking any exams, and many of them were girls.' | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
-Who made the decision that you leave school at 15? -I did. -Me mother. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
-Susan? -My mum and dad asked me and I said I wanted to leave. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
-NEW SPEAKER: -On the word go, up and down the wall bars twice. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
Two backward rolls, touch each of the four walls. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
Ready? Go! | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
It's inexplicable. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
Coming back to a physical place where you almost feel the history. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:51 | |
I don't know. It's something that will take me a while to think about. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
You seem to be finding some difficulty in speaking, Keith. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
-What were you eating? -Chewing gum, sir. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
-Will you kindly remove it? -LAUGHTER | 0:22:06 | 0:22:10 | |
-And don't stick it under the table! -LAUGHTER | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
'The making of this documentary | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
'left an indelible mark on Yvonne's memory.' | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
It was the outside world coming in. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
There weren't very many instances of being valued. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
That was someone coming in and valuing people, so it was exciting. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
'For Bernie, schoolwork was a necessary evil. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
'What memories does he have of the film being made?' | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
I remember the film taking place. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
We're walking along the corridor, me and my mate Terry, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
it was a great time, like. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
We got out of some lessons, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
but I don't think our lessons were disrupted that much. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
I think we found it all as an interesting thing. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
We didn't realise, really, that we were being filmed. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
At least that's my memory of it. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
It was done so well and so natural, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
that it just became part of what we were doing every day. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
This is the sort of scene when you went into London in mediaeval times. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
My part was in the classroom. There are several classroom lessons. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:20 | |
One of them was where I had to spell the word "people". | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
And I think I got it wrong at first attempt, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
but I think I got it right in the film in the end. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
I've never really forgot how to spell it. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
-Bernard, tell them how to spell "people". -P-E-O-P-L-E. -Yes. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
You learned it. Too many of you spell "people" with P-E-E-P-L-E. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
It's not necessary. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
'Bernie had trouble reading and writing and was placed in the bottom stream with Mrs Peacock. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
'But he enjoyed school and got a reputation as "the funny one".' | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
When I look at that pimply, untidy child | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
going through a spelling test, I think to myself, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
"What am I doing here? I could be outside playing rather than in here." | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
'Bernie loved the practical skills he was taught at school.' | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
I remember going into the metalwork lessons, | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
good lessons where you could get to grips with some materials. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
I always felt I wasn't great an academic, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
but I always liked practical things, engineering, machinery. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:32 | |
'Bernie left Francis Combe without any qualifications, | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
'but he didn't let it hinder him in life. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
'He went on to manage a logistics company | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
'and is now a driving instructor.' | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
-You could have done a little more than this. -I did this part wrong. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
I had to rub it out and do it again. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
'I enjoyed myself at school. I must say I enjoyed myself. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
'My worst memory is the fact that I didn't do as well' | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
as I could have done academically. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
'Although I didn't leave really being able to spell' | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
and read properly, I did have the ways and means to learn it later on. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
Wait a minute. Take a breath. Don't rush it. Say it properly. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:15 | |
What do you think they might be selling? | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
-Some banjos. -Well... -They do sell banjos. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
-The old musicians would go la la la. -A sort of banjo in the Middle Ages. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:27 | |
'When the documentary was shown on BBC television, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
'for a short time, Bernard became a bit of a celebrity.' | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
For a while, I was a film star. For about a month, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
people kept spotting you and talking to you cos it was a good thing. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
'The man who made Bernie a star, John Krish, | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
'hasn't watched this film for many years. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
'What memories does he have of making it?' | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
My job was to bring back the atmosphere of the school on film. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:04 | |
You said, "Relax, like." Why "like"? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
Don't know. It just...just came out. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:10 | |
Before I started shooting, I came every day for six weeks | 0:26:10 | 0:26:14 | |
and sat in every classroom. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
And in that time, decided which teachers I would use | 0:26:17 | 0:26:22 | |
and which pupils I would use. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:25 | |
What do you feel about this...? | 0:26:25 | 0:26:26 | |
'John made his film look like what we now call | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
'"fly on the wall" documentary, | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
'but in fact, he spent days constructing every scene.' | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
I turn each classroom into a studio. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
Nothing is snatched. Everything is rehearsed. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
If there's a spontaneous moment, then we have caught it, of course. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
Speech is like quicksand. It drags down, it doesn't push up. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
It's a good analogy. If you don't know the meaning of "analogy", you know what to do. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:56 | |
Look it up in a dictionary. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:57 | |
The spirit of this school is what I set out to capture. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
'By 1963, with one in ten secondary modern students obtaining O-levels, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:16 | |
'the idea of dividing young people using the eleven-plus exam started to fall from favour. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:24 | |
'Two years later, in 1965, the government announced plans | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
'to switch to the non-selective comprehensive system. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
'Selective education was finally abolished | 0:27:32 | 0:27:36 | |
'in 1976. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
'The eleven-plus exam still exists in a few education authorities, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
'but for most of us, it's passed into history.' | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
Everybody I've spoken to | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
really liked their secondary modern schools. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
They liked the teachers, the lessons, the learning processes. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
But almost everyone felt that they'd failed by not passing this eleven-plus test. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:04 | |
'Which is why I'm delighted to have marked their considerable achievements | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
'and add their stories to the National Archive. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
'Next time on Reel History, we're on Horse Guards Parade in London, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
'to recall the Queen's coronation in 1953, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
'the first royal event live on television.' | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
Everybody was wearing their best clothes. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
We were in the presence of the Queen! | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
Subtitles by Red Bee Media Ltd | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
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