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Hello! Look who it is! | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
It's the old judge from Strictly, Len Goodman, and welcome to my decade, the 1950s. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
I'll give it top marks. It's not a seven! | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
It's a ten from Len, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
for change, challenge, possibilities and promise. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:18 | |
Welcome to the 1952 Show. Why 1952? | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
Well, whizz back 60 years, | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
and young Elizabeth had just become the new Queen. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
And she found the whole country taking their first steps | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
into a brighter Britain. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
So every day this week we'll be hearing what you remember | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
about some of the most exciting years in our history. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
Here's how the telly lines up today. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
Short trousers, skipping, conkers, catapults and the cane. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
What it was really like to be a nipper in the '50s. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
Was '50s marriage all it was cracked up to be? | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
We reveal the secret ways | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
disgruntled housewives let off steam. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
And the new towns, | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
built to solve the housing crisis in our bombed-out cities. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:30 | |
The pioneers spill the beans on their early days. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
Fabulous stories, wonderful archive | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
and some great guests on our 1950s sofa. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
-And today, it's the fabulous Pam Ayres! -Hello, Len. -Hello, Pam. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:47 | |
-I've got to say, you look great. -Thank you very much. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
-Yes, I'm in the pink. -You are in the pink | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
and I hope you've got plenty of memories of the '50s? | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
I've got lots of vivid memories of my childhood, yes, I have. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:59 | |
-Well, keep them to yourself and reveal all presently. -OK! | 0:01:59 | 0:02:04 | |
So what memories do other people have of their childhood? | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
We take a look at a day in the life for four '50s kids. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
MUSIC: "Memories Are Made Of This" | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
# Memories are made of this...# | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
Every childhood is unique. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
And what we remember gives us a vivid snapshot of times gone by. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
So meet Eastender Barry, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
Pat from Newcastle, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
country boy Tim, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
and Home Counties Julia. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
All different backgrounds, all different memories. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Let them take us back 60 years to see what childhood in the '50s | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
was really like. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
My mum used to come in, I think she was coming home from | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
early morning office cleaning, get me out of bed. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
A quick cat's lick as she called it, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
like a wipe round the face with a flannel, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
get the tide marks off from the night before | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
and then walk through to school. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:07 | |
Get up, put on our uniforms, which were all very '50s, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
all wearing shorts and ties and even school caps and blazers. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
I had a little green pleated skirt white socks and sandals, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
sort of T-strap sandals. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
Obviously, a green cardigan to match and green knickers! | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
Home breakfast would be porridge, boiled eggs or some sort of cereal. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:31 | |
Just a slice of bread and butter, dip it in the sugar bowl, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
what we call a sugar butty. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
Not very healthy by today's standards, I know, but things like that. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
And usually my father would drive us to school, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
dropped off at the school gates and the day began. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
And I can remember some of the boys getting | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
a ruler across the backs of their legs. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
I suffered that quite a bit. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Then you had to sign a book, as if it was an honour! | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
You had to sign a punishment book. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
Playtime never came quick enough, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
and for those not interested in the ruckus, there was always romance. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
# Young love, first love | 0:04:11 | 0:04:17 | |
# Filled with true devotion...# | 0:04:17 | 0:04:23 | |
Girls, who were much the stronger group used to insist | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
on playing kiss chase. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:27 | |
Oh, yes, we did play kiss chase, yes! | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
I can remember being the victim of that a couple of times, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
cornered in, it was a bike shed! | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
We just felt that that was really naughty and when they found us | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
we had to give them a kiss, yes! | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
At the end of the school day, obviously, the bell rang. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
We put our chairs on the desk and we had to stand up and sing... | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
# Now the day is over night is drawing near. # | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
And all the kids went mad, yeah, rushing out the door, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
not orderly fashion. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
Along the street, making plans, for when we were going to meet up after tea. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Right behind where we used to live there used to be a council estate | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
and all the children used to play in the streets there | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
but we weren't allowed to mix with them. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:28 | |
I just played at home with my brother. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
-PAT: -We played a lot in the street then | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
because we didn't have a back garden. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
-BARRY: -The mischievous ones, there was knock down ginger, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
everyone played that. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:43 | |
That when you knocked on someone's door and ran away. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
When someone got used to it, if you did it too much, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
they'd be waiting for you behind the door | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
and they chase you up the streets. Some of them men was fast runners. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
We to be outside as much as possible. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
I remember having a friend round and we had a competition to see who could jump highest off a haystack. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:02 | |
We would progressively climb higher and higher until eventually | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
someone stuck his teeth through his kneecap and it all came to an end. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
Yes, we called the bomb sites debris. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
Let's go and play on the big debris or the little debris. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
Every debris had a name. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
The water tank debris, because that filled up with water. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
But, as I say, we had a lot of fun on the bomb sites. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
It could be quite dangerous at times but luckily enough, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
most of us survived it all. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:26 | |
When we were playing, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
we quite often used to play with skipping ropes and hopscotch. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
We even played in cardboard boxes. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
It's a bit of a cliche, but we did. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
Cardboard boxes could be racing cars, fire engines, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
anything the imagination wanted. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:45 | |
I didn't really spend a lot of time in the bedroom | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
because today children don't mind being sent to their bedroom | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
because they got everything there, TVs, computers, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
but we spent most of the time in the street rather than our bedrooms. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
# You're full of sugar you're full of spice | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
# You're kind of naughty But you're naughty and nice. # | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
But after all the fun and games, it was indoors for something to eat. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
As far as I remember for supper, it was all good wholesome stuff. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:14 | |
Spam and chips! | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
Banana sandwiches. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
Egg and chips. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:18 | |
Meat and two veg. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:19 | |
Jam and bread and cakes. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
Sausage and mash. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:23 | |
When we came home from school, because we'd had lunch, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:26 | |
it was literally bread and jam. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
And this is really funny, if I was really hungry, which I was | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
most of the time, I used to go and eat the dog biscuits in the larder. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
They were the little tiny Bonio biscuits. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
We use to have a Labrador called Rufus | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
and I used to go and eat the biscuits. Isn't that terrible? | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
You'd get fish and chips for about a shilling. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
We used to put the salt and vinegar on, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
and we used to loosen the lid right to the last thread so the next | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
person would come in and put the salt on their chips, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
cos the lid would come off and they've got half a pound of salt | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
all over their fish and chips! | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
That was quite a common occurrence, that was. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:03 | |
A terrible thing when I think back! | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
# Hopalong Cassidy here we come! # | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
And if you were lucky enough, you got to sit in front of the gogglebox. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:16 | |
Television was only a couple of hours a day | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
and that was always a must. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
There were the Woodentops, there was Andy Pandy. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Bill and Ben. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
"Loblob, Little Weed" and the Little Weed used to go, "Weed!" | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
Hopalong Cassidy. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:34 | |
Loads of cowboys, yeah. Loads of cowboys. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
And there was Muffin The Mule. "Here comes Muffin, Muffin the mule." | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
And on Saturday nights it was Dixon Of Dock Green. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
And the Billy Cotton Band Show. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
'Wakey wakey!' | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
So it was no education at all, it was purely fun. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
And then it was supper time, bath and bed. It was fairly routine. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
Mum always used to say, have you wiped that tide mark off? | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
Because we were only bathing once a week and we dodged the flannel. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
It was bath and good stripy winceyette pyjamas | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
with a drawstring. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:15 | |
I think we used to sometimes have a story read to us. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
# Magic moments...# | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
I remember my childhood as being a very peaceful, settled, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
safe childhood. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
I don't think at the time I realised how lucky | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
we were to have the childhood we had. It certainly was a lovely time. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
Back in the '50s, I think children were, on the whole, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
a lot happier in those days. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
When you're little, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:50 | |
all you are really interested in is that you feel safe and that | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
you are fed and warm and I can remember being all of those things. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
-BARRY: -Maybe children today do have as much fun, I don't know. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
But I think no one had as much fun as we did in those days. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
Always something to do. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
They were great days, really great days. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
# Filled with love... # | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
-What a marvellous little film. -A gorgeous film. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
I like the salt cellar, brilliant! | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
And we have one of its stars, Barry! Let me ask you this, Barry. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:29 | |
What would be your overall impression | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
of growing up as a kid in the '50s? | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
Well, I suppose the main thing would be the freedom we had. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
Not like today, there is too much traffic. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
We went out in the mornings and never came back till late at night. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
Our mums didn't have to worry about us. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
We used to play on the Underground. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
We used to bunk into the Underground and go off to Epping | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
or anywhere on the Underground. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
Yes, we've all done that. A Red Rover on the buses. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
-I didn't, I didn't go on the Underground. -Well, there weren't too many of them down in Somerset! | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
You could dig a long way but you wouldn't come to the Underground. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
-Now, you were a country girl. -I was a country girl. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
I grew up in the village of Stafford in the Vale, Len, | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
which was then in Berkshire. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
And my memories are very seasonal, really. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
In the winter, when we had snow, | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
which we were very excited about, you had to cower out of the way | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
because the country boys used to have snowball fights. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
And in the middle of the snowball they would embed a rock, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
so if you got one of those in the temple, it was curtains, really. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
That is my overwhelming wintry sort of memory. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
But in the summer, I can smell the hay because we used to be a pest, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
I am sure, and we'd go all round the hay fields when | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
they had been baled and they were the little bales and you could build | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
all sorts of fantastic structures, bale houses and dens and that. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
The older kids used to go in for a snog. Absolutely, yes! | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
-We never had that, Barry? -No! -What, no snogging at Bethnal Green? | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
No, we had to do it in the bombed houses. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
-That wasn't so fragrant, Barry. -They were wonderful, wonderful days. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:08 | |
I really enjoyed myself. Now, back to those early '50s. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
If you wanted to see the news and you didn't have a television, | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
cinema newsreels were the thing. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
I remember happy days at the pictures. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
They put the newsreel between the A and the B movie | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
and threw in a cartoon for good measure. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
How about that for about 9p? Value for money! | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
All this week we'll be looking at events that made the '50s | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
and how you remember the first decade fully captured on film. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
Let's start with the defining moment of 1952 itself. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:49 | |
The day a princess, who had lost her dad, turned into a queen. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:55 | |
NEWSREEL: It is with the greatest sorrow that we make the following | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
announcement, that the King passed peacefully away in his sleep. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
It made me personally very sad | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
because I thought he was a great man. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
He did his share. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:11 | |
Groups of people from the houses in our road, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
in small circles all talking about it all the way up the road. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
The announcement of the death was a shock. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
It was a feeling 23-year-old Terence Gallagher shared with others | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
who had heard the news that February morning. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
But Terence's interest in the story was not simply personal. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:36 | |
At the time, he was a runner at Movietone, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
Britain's largest newsreel company, and he knew this was | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
the biggest story their cameras had covered in years. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
While the coronation was not happen for another year, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
the cameras were there to capture the extraordinary moment | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
the new Queen was proclaimed, two days after her father's death. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
'I proclaim that the high and mighty Princess Elizabeth Alexandra Mary | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
'is now, by the death of our late sovereign of happy memory, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:05 | |
'become Queen Elizabeth II.' | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
The scene could have been out of a period movie. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
Everyone's in their regalia. It was most impressive. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
At the Movietone offices, Terence and the team | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
were counting down to their biggest challenge, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
filming the funeral of the British monarch. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
Here was a job that had to be done. It had to be done properly. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
It had to be done quickly. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
And people, somehow, welcomed the opportunity to do this work. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:37 | |
Rather than risk the crowds the next morning, | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
Terence stayed at work on the eve of the funeral. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
I spent the night in the Movietone theatre | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
using my raincoat as a pillow. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Got up, it must have been six o'clock, and as I walked, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
masses of people, all over the road, walking down the road, | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
silence, except for the shuffle of feet. It was quite eerie. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
My job that day was to ferry the film. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
There weren't enough of us | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
so there were people like Boy Scouts were used. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:15 | |
It was all hands to the pump, as it were. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:16 | |
As fast as the footage got back, | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
the film processors were turning it into newsreel. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
They would then have produced 200 copies. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
The first ones coming off going to the London cinemas, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
and the rest going on the night train all over the country. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
Terence has never seen the remarkable footage | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
he helped to capture that day, more than 60 years ago. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
This is the camera position I was in | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
as the cortege passes into St James's Street. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
Lots of people with handkerchiefs, including men. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
Because it was a sorrowful sight, the actual funeral. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:55 | |
Oh, it brought a lump to your throat, as soon as you saw it. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
And pride, in fact. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
The pride that the British can do this sort of thing. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
And I still think it was a terrific job | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
and I was proud to be part of it. However small. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
I tell you what, that is interesting. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
Very nice to have an inside view. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
Now, I don't know about you, | 0:16:21 | 0:16:22 | |
but I don't remember the death of the King. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
-No, I don't. -But I do remember the Coronation. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
-What are your memories of it? -They are momentous, Len. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
It was the first time I ever saw the television, because in the pub | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
up the road from us, which was called the Cottage of Content, | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
they had a TV. And so we sat cross-legged on the carpet | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
and watched this little tiny figure of the Queen and heard the music. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
Not only was it the Coronation | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
but it was the first time we had ever seen the TV so I remember it. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
-My mum bought a telly. -Oh, she bought a telly. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
I had never seen a telly. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:01 | |
-She bought a telly for the Coronation. -Oh, I say! | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
And we had the whole street in there. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
We had the street party and we got the five bob bit, as we called it, | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
the ceremonial five shilling piece. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
-We didn't have one of those. I feel deprived. -But I got rid of mine. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
I swapped it for some fag cards and then I got whacked for that. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
But anyway. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Now, housing was the biggest issue facing the country after the war. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:29 | |
Not only was there dreadful overcrowding, | 0:17:29 | 0:17:32 | |
but we had also had five years of bombing to contend with. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
So, come peacetime and the '50s, | 0:17:36 | 0:17:38 | |
Britain had to rebuild itself quite literally from the ground up. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:44 | |
And the solution? | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
A mix of prefabs, council flats, council houses, council estates! | 0:17:46 | 0:17:52 | |
And even, whole new towns! | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
To be offered a big four-bedroom house for something like | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
five shillings a week was fantastic. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
We were all young architects, recently qualified, | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
so everything was new. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
It was a very, very exciting time. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
And the new towns were providing both houses and jobs | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
and that was what decided me to go to Stevenage. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
Stevenage in Hertfordshire, Britain's first new town. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
A bold social experiment sold mainly to Londoners, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
whose city had been ravaged by war, plagued with overcrowding | 0:18:30 | 0:18:35 | |
and often without basic amenities. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
Then, in 1951, the dream of paying an affordable rent for modern, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
spacious houses, all set in beautiful countryside | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
came true for some, as Stevenage's first neighbourhood was completed. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Percy Weston and his wife, May, were two of Stevenage's pioneers. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:58 | |
I thought, if we want a house, | 0:18:58 | 0:18:59 | |
we have to go where they are being built. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
And that's when I wrote to the general manager | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
and ultimately got an interview. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
And I was offered a job in the engineer's wing. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:14 | |
And I was going to get a house into the bargain. So, I accepted. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
Percy and May still live in the house they came to in 1951. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
It looked enormous, actually, because we had been living | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
with my mum and dad and we'd had really no privacy, | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
you know, for newlyweds, | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
so that was the big thing that we could be alone together. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
We literally arrived in the middle of a building site. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
As they were finishing their houses one at a time, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
they were letting them out. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
They weren't completing the whole estate to start with. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
And I thought, we have arrived in one of those American | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
or Australian outback towns, you know. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:00 | |
Like Percy, Maureen Wilderspoon's dad had been drawn to Stevenage | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
by the promise of work and a fresh start. | 0:20:06 | 0:20:08 | |
We came from a very working-class family, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
you know, my father was a carpenter and my mother was a seamstress. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
What life could we have had in London, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
because we didn't have the money ever to better ourselves. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:21 | |
The only way he saw of getting out, we were a family of four, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:26 | |
was to emigrate to Australia. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
And then this job in Stevenage came up building the new houses | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
and all the builders that came to Stevenage were promised a house. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
So they talked about it | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
and they decided that Stevenage was a little bit closer than Australia! | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
So they went for Stevenage. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
Like many Londoners, Maureen's family had been attracted to the new towns | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
by the Government PR campaign which, over the years, did the hard sell. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:57 | |
'Apart from the improved design of commonplace sights like bus shelters, | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
'notice the refreshing absence of traffic congestion.' | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
It succeeded, with thousands of families attracted by the idea of a bright new future. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:10 | |
Each new town had a master plan for shops, schools, churches, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
even theatres to entertain the new residents. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
On the drawing board, whole communities were planned, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
spanning all classes and all ages. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
But coming from a cramped two-bed in Tottenham, | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
for most ordinary people like Maureen, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:28 | |
the biggest boon was space. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
As we walked in to this rather large council house, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
my brother was heard to say, "Who's living upstairs?" | 0:21:35 | 0:21:39 | |
Because we had always shared a house and here we were with four bedrooms, | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
a lounge, dining room, kitchen, garden, everything. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
It was just so big, for a six-year-old. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
Not much furniture in it, so it looked big. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
Houses like this would be made affordable | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
at roughly under £2 a week rent to the local authority. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
But there were teething problems. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
Roads and pavements were unfinished, and that's not all. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
I'd never had a pair of Wellington boots in my life. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
I didn't know what Wellington boots were. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
And the first thing we did was buy wellingtons. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
We would go out and we would play on building sites. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
And you'd come home, covered in brick dust, scraped fingers, mud. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
But everything took a long time. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:27 | |
If you went shopping, it took a long time because you had to walk there. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
You had to shop and then you had to walk back. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
We didn't have a car in those days. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
Transport was not the only problem there. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
Plans for 60,000 new residents meant tensions were running high with the locals. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
We found a certain hostility in the old town about the newcomers. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:53 | |
They were "Those folk from London. You know what they're like!" That sort of attitude. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:59 | |
Simon Bennett, one of Stevenage's architects, remembers the threats. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:04 | |
Certain people were active. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
They said, I'm going to lie down in front of the diggers to stop | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
the new towns being built. But in point of fact, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
they all realised that it was a great success. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
But for some, the utopian dream did not last long. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
Many Londoners missed their friends and family, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
the hustle and bustle of the city. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
The new town blues set in and quite a few drifted back to London. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
London seemed an awful long way away. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
It's 20 minutes on the train now, it was an hour and a half in those days on a steam train. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
I suppose for some people, who had always lived in London, old people, | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
it was too big a change. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
For us, it was an exciting adventure. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:49 | |
So, for those who stayed, was it all worthwhile? | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
On the whole, I think it has been a success. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
Architects from all around the world have been to visit | 0:23:55 | 0:23:58 | |
to see what an example it was in the early days. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:03 | |
And I think most of the people here now have not regretted it. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
I was very happy to come to Stevenage. I had a great life here. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:13 | |
I have no regrets. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
How fantastic it must have been to come out of those overcrowded tenement buildings, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:24 | |
with people upstairs and down, | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
-and then suddenly you are in your own home. -Yes. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
-The idea that it could be all yours. -Yes. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
What about you, how was domesticity in your house? | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
Well, in the house where I was born, it was a bit basic. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
We had two tin baths on the wall outside, a long one and a short one. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:46 | |
My sister and I would be done first. So you'd be in the bath of cooling water | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
and you'd make yourself small at one end | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
and then Mum would pour in a kettle of boiling water at the back | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
-and you frantically splash it... -Push it along. -..so it didn't burn your bottom. | 0:24:55 | 0:25:00 | |
And as every person got out, the silt was diluted | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
by the addition of another kettle of boiling water. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
For me, it was slightly different. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
-My nan and grandad had a greengrocers. -Oh, right. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
My nan's job was to boil up the beetroots. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
There was this big beetroot boiler which | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
they put this gas ring underneath. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
And as it got tepid, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
my nan used to put me in it. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
And I'd have a jolly good scrub over by my nan and all this. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
-I probably would have a pee in it. -In the beetroot boiler? | 0:25:28 | 0:25:33 | |
And then out I'd come, and then in would go the beetroot. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:38 | |
Oh no! I shall never eat another beetroot. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
-People used to queue up for them. They were delicious. -Well, | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
-they had that added extra ingredient. -Yeah. But you know what I loved about Stevenage, | 0:25:46 | 0:25:51 | |
is those people have never regretted the move | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
and they are just so happy that they did it and they are there. | 0:25:54 | 0:26:00 | |
-Yeah. -So, getting a house got easier, making it a home was the next task. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:05 | |
And along came the national obsession called do-it-yourself. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
The '50s was the year the Black & Decker and Dulux emulsion. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:15 | |
Proud new householders couldn't get enough of putty, paint and pelmets | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
to help turn their homes and into the proverbial castle. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
# This old house once knew its children | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
# This old house once knew its wife... # | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
Ah, DIY. That great Saturday afternoon activity. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
Responsible for more domestic rows than who does the washing up. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
And where can we lay the blame? The '50s. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
That's when DIY became a boom home hobby. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
It even had its own TV show, the DIY SOS of the '50s, with Barry Bucknell. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:51 | |
And then square this across with a pencil, on both sides, there and there. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:58 | |
With a bit more cash to spend and loads of new homes just asking to be given the personal touch, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:05 | |
we became a nation of Barry Bucknells. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
And one of the best was Terence Dickens. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
Terence has DIY in his DNA. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
His family have been running DIY stores for four generations | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
and during the '50s, they opened a third shop in Stockton, Lancashire. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:24 | |
The first day, we only had about one customer. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
And then word got around and then the customers started to come | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
and there was, honestly, no stopping them. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
# Ain't gonna need this house no longer... # | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
We used to do paint... | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
# Ain't got time to fix the shingles... # | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
..Curtain rails. We did miles, and I mean miles. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
We were one of the biggest sellers of curtain rails in the country. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
High employment in the '50s, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
coupled with the possibility of paying on the never-never | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
put some extra cash in the back pocket of the ordinary man, | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
which benefited Dickens DIY. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
The ordinary person would walk in, and say, I'm doing a job, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:06 | |
I'd like to do a job, and I want to do so-and-so and so-and-so and so-and-so. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:11 | |
So we would offer them the tools that they could use to do that job. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:17 | |
And usually, they would get them, or get them on credit. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:22 | |
And they'd pay two shillings a week - 10p - and they would build up... | 0:28:22 | 0:28:27 | |
That is the way it all started off. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:30 | |
In the post-war years, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
ingrained deep in people's psyche was the message to get on with things and do it yourself. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:37 | |
So people did. Or at least, they tried to. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
A lot of them had no idea but with a little bit of help from such as us, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
we could show them where they were going wrong. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
And by showing them where they were going wrong, they came back, and back, and back. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
And in the end, they would do all the house up. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
Suddenly, a wealth of new DIY products were flooding the shelves | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
ready for the eager home improver to snap up. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
'Quicker and better with Black & Decker.' | 0:29:04 | 0:29:08 | |
I can remember when Black & Decker drills came in and they were quite basic. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
And that would be in about 1955, 1956, around there. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:19 | |
And they were five pounds nine shillings and sixpence. I remember that. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
'Take the Black & Decker, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
'add one of the many attachments and put power into your hands.' | 0:29:25 | 0:29:30 | |
People, when they got one of those, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
they were like somebody with a new toy. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
Amateur craftsmen of all ages flock to Olympia | 0:29:36 | 0:29:39 | |
for the do-it-yourself exhibition in search of ideas. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
And by 1956, annual DIY exhibitions were held at Olympia in London | 0:29:42 | 0:29:47 | |
designed to inspire people for even more ambitious DIY projects. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:52 | |
-Pardon me, sir, do you do much for yourself? -Well, a fair amount. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
I see, what kind of things do you build? | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
Well, I have done some cabinets, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
I've put a new sink unit in. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:04 | |
So was Terence pleased with the part he played in the DIY boom of the 1950s? | 0:30:04 | 0:30:09 | |
I'd say it was the era that we created. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
We weren't the only ones in the country, but we made an episode of it. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:22 | |
So people could come in, ask questions, get an answer, | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
and go home and do it all. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:28 | |
Goodbye now. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
What about you or your family, any good at do-it-yourself? | 0:30:32 | 0:30:37 | |
The only time Father did any what you might call DIY | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
was when he decorated the lavatory, which he did with a bucket of green distemper and a stirrup pump. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:45 | |
-You know one of these jobs? -Oh, yeah. And it squirted out. -Yeah. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
It just squirted it out and after it dried, there were all these dribbles, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:54 | |
Len, all down the walls in this horrible nauseous shade of green. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
Well, the only time I really had a go at any DIY was when my son was being born. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:06 | |
We decided to turn one of the bedrooms into his nursery. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:10 | |
And my wife said, "Don't paint it, you'll mess it up." I said, "I won't miss it up." | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
So I was sort of on a challenge. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
So I got clear plastic paper | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
and covered every conceivable thing that could possibly get splashed. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:23 | |
And we had these louvred door wardrobes, which my wife kept all her clothes in. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:29 | |
And I thought, they are all right, they're behind those louvres. I went in in my underpants and socks... | 0:31:29 | 0:31:35 | |
-This is quite an erotic image. -It is! In I walked. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
-I slipped over. -Oh, no! | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
The paint flew over my head, went into these louvred wardrobes, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
covered all her clothes in Dulux. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:48 | |
And that is the one and only time I've ever tried to do do-it-yourself. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:54 | |
I thought, that's it. Never again. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
-No... Well, you've got other strengths! -Yes. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
But putting up shelves and stuff is not one of them. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
-No. -And I'm glad, in a way. Now, call me nosey, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
but I always want to know what makes couples tick, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:10 | |
especially 60 years ago, when we were all a bit reserved | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
and didn't talk so much about... stuff. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
Today, we write blogs about the most intimate things, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
but back then, couples were told, "You've made your bed, now lie on it." | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
But was marriage in the '50s really that simple? | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
# When I fall in love... # | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
The '50s weren't all that long ago. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
# ..It will be forever... # | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
She had to do as she was told. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:44 | |
But it was an age of innocence in the relationship between men and women. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
He said, "Aren't you happy?" and I said, "Well, no, not very." | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
But he couldn't understand it. He was baffled. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
Jean and Dennis, and Joan, now widowed, | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
were all young marrieds in the '50s. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:01 | |
Dennis and Jean came from just outside Bristol. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
Dennis was a postman, Jean a shop girl. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
They had been courting for three years. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
Sex was taboo. You didn't talk about it. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
Nobody said anything about it. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
The first thing I learnt about sex was when I was in the Army. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
"Just you be careful, my girl, and you behave yourself! | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
"Don't you dare bring anything home to this door | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
"because I don't want to know it!" That was my sex education. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
# Do you remember | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
# The first time that we kissed? # | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
Joan came from a different background. She'd studied at Oxford, | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
but the same moral attitudes cut across all classes. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
Oh, heavens above! | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Absolute virginity! So, of course, you went into marriage | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
totally inexperienced, both of you. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
There's this virgin man, this virgin woman, jumping into bed... | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
Well, not even jumping. Falling into bed together and making a mess of it. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
But a '50s marriage had other unwritten rules, which were hard to break. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:21 | |
Women had to stop in those days to see to their man. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
If I was washing, I'd have to stop. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
You didn't do that when they came in. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
I mean, that stopped. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:31 | |
And you made them a cup of tea and a sandwich and you were nice and everything. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:37 | |
I think their role was to earn the money | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
that produced food on the table. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:42 | |
They didn't really expect to do very much in the home. The job came first, always. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
In every way, I was the number two wife, I think. The work was the number one wife. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:52 | |
-DENNIS: -They came home, they sat down. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
They expected their tea on the table in front of them. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:59 | |
They read the paper and that was it. They didn't do anything else. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:03 | |
The meals were on the table on time. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
-The children were always... -Clean and tidy. -..clean and tidy. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
The house was always clean and tidy. You had everything ready for him when he came home from work, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:18 | |
and when he got up in the morning, you were there to see to everything. That was the perfect housewife. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
I remember him trying to put a nappy on one of the babies | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
and he'd got the nappy on and it was all over the place | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
and totally useless. He hadn't got any clue at all. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
He did try, I suppose, but he just hadn't got the skills that way. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
I was pleased about the birth of my children because I did enjoy all my children very much. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:43 | |
And my job was to run the children, really. But we were living in the middle of nowhere | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
and I missed adult conversation. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
I suppose, emotionally, he wasn't very great. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
I knew that for the children it was important that we stayed together, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
so I thought, "Well, I suppose that's how it's got to be." | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
But again, I'm very much aware of how typical that was for women of my generation. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
Married women then still felt they were essentially their husbands' property. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:12 | |
Jean encountered her husband's claim on her when popping out to a Women's Institute gathering. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:18 | |
I said, "Oh, can I go?" | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
"Please yourself." | 0:36:21 | 0:36:23 | |
And he used the attitude. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
It was just jealously. He didn't want me to go. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
So I said, "I won't go, then." | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
"Hmph!" he went, like this. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
I thought, "Yes, I will go." So I put my coat on and went. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:38 | |
Two days he didn't speak to me, because of that, for going out. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
But that was the attitude all the time. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
If you wanted to go out, you asked permission to go out. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
But that was the normal thing. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
To stop feeling so hemmed in, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
Jean found more practical ways to get out of the house. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
The local farmer up the road used to grow potatoes. | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
He had fields and fields of potatoes. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
When it was picking-potato-time, they'd ask for all the local women to go. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
We'd all take the children, all get onto the back of the lorry, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
and off we'd go to pick potatoes all day. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
Yeah, it was lovely. We used to thoroughly enjoy that. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
That was great. £1 a day. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
-You didn't really like it, did you? -I didn't really like it, but it was a necessity. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:23 | |
For housebound Joan there was a more radical, almost subversive answer. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
-Here we are, Joan. Here are your letters from the Correspondence Club. -Thank you very much. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
She signed up to contribute to an extraordinary secret magazine | 0:37:32 | 0:37:35 | |
called the Co-operative Correspondence Club. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
Now held at the Mass Observation Archive, | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
the club's letters were written by disgruntled housewives like Joan, | 0:37:42 | 0:37:46 | |
letting off steam about their lot. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
Compiled by an editor into a hand-stitched book, | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
each new edition was circulated among members twice a month. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
"Remaining at home with the children day after day, | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
"seeing very few people, | 0:37:59 | 0:38:01 | |
"I gradually lost my self-confidence and felt it ebbing | 0:38:01 | 0:38:04 | |
"and a devastating shyness descending | 0:38:04 | 0:38:07 | |
"until it would have been an effort to speak to a stray cat." | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
So this was salvation when this came. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
You could actually write down what you were feeling! | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
And it was so sacred. Nobody was ever allowed to look at it. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:19 | |
So husbands couldn't possibly get anywhere near it. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
You kept it hidden in a drawer until you posted it on the next day. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
You had to be a mother to join. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:28 | |
But once you were in, you could write about anything on your mind - | 0:38:28 | 0:38:32 | |
the equivalent of a modern-day blog. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
" 'Mummy, where's my so and so? | 0:38:35 | 0:38:37 | |
" 'Mummy, Alfie's doing that so I can't get on and dress properly. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
" 'Mummy, he's locked the door and I can't get in to clean my teeth. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:45 | |
"Lucky, lucky Daddy, who dresses placidly and half-asleep, | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
"unconscious of the turmoil around him, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
"and unmolested by the throng." | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
It was companionship of a sort, I think. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
The sort of thing that, if you'd known anybody locally, | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
you'd have gossiped around a cup of coffee with. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
Reading this after so many years is a strange experience, | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
a mixture of sadness and surprise, in a way, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
because fortunately, with the passage of time, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
one tends to forget a little bit how acute some of these feelings were. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:15 | |
The Co-operative Correspondence Club was Joan's release, | 0:39:15 | 0:39:20 | |
but did marriage for women get better as the decade wore on? | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
In those days, if one got married, one stayed married, and that was it. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
Your fate was assured. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
The '60s, you see, were the time when people started saying, "Hey, nonny, nonny," you know. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:37 | |
The '50s was still fairly stick-in-the-mud, I think. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
For Jean, though, as the children came along, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
and with her contribution to the family purse increased with a regular job, | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
Dennis's attitude started to change. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:51 | |
I helped bathe them, I helped wash them and clean them, | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
I put them to bed and, em... | 0:39:54 | 0:39:59 | |
I mean, they were there. It had to be done. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
We got closer. It kept us together, more or less. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
And here we are together 65 years later! | 0:40:08 | 0:40:10 | |
-It's lovely to meet you, Jean, I've got to say. -Thank you. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
But 61 years of marriage, so did you find that when you first got married | 0:40:18 | 0:40:24 | |
there were conflicts and things, I suppose? | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
Yes. Sometimes it was hard trying to find out things you didn't know | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
-and you didn't have anybody to ask. -Yeah. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
My dad was hopeless, Len. This will illustrate how hopeless my dad was. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
My brother chucked me in the river once. He didn't mean to. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
He said, "I'm going to chuck you in, Pam." And he got hold of me and he went, "Ah-one, ah-two," | 0:40:42 | 0:40:48 | |
and on "three" we fell and he lost his footing. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
My brother took me home and Mum had gone out on the bus. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
And my dad, he had not a clue what to do, | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
so he gave my brother a good hiding | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
and then he stood me in the washing-up bowl, to wash the river water off me, | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
and at three o'clock in the afternoon, although I was perfectly all right, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
he put me to bed with a jam tart! THEY LAUGH | 0:41:07 | 0:41:12 | |
When Mum came home, she got me up and said, "What are you doing there, lying about in bed? Get up | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
"and don't be so stupid and go near the river in the future." | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
I think it was a very commendable thing. A bit of comfort food! | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
-Yeah. -So, Jean, how many children did you wind up with? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
-Five. -Five? -I had four in the '50s and then I had a boy in the '60s. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
-Four girls. -And grandchildren? | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
I've got 12 grandchildren and 14 great grandchildren. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
-Wow! -How lovely! | 0:41:39 | 0:41:40 | |
-And 61 years so it all worked out in the end. -Very impressive. -It's been well worth it, yes. -Well done. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:46 | |
Well, after all those lovely stories and chats with our guests, | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
it's time to go home. But come sit on my sofa again tomorrow. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
We're going to do '50s television stars, '50s teddy boys. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
You name it, we've got it. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
I always like a bit of jive! | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
So until then, see you later, alligator, from me, | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
Pam Ayres, the lovely Jean, and The 1952 Show. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
Go on! See you later! | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
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