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There are nearly a million homes lying abandoned in the UK,

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just waiting for someone to breathe life back into them.

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Whether it's a tired semi or a rambling mansion, we're on the search for Britain's Empty Homes.

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All across the country, properties are lying empty

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with no-one to call them home.

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But it doesn't have to be that way. And we are going to show you how.

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'I'll be taking a couple of first-time buyers

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'around two vacant houses in the hope of finding them the perfect family home.'

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It's looking good so far,

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and I'm just starting to picture knocking walls down.

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We're finding out why some of these places are lying empty and meet the

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people on a mission to change all that.

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This probably wins the prize for being the worst I've been in.

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And we'll be showing how once neglected houses have been turned into stunning homes.

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Now, the idea of taking on an empty property, in fairness,

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may not immediately appeal, but they are worth considering,

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because you can get a lot more for your money

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and it can be a fantastically rewarding experience.

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Mike and Helen Turner have lived in several rental properties

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since they met 20 years ago.

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They're currently living in Sussex with their three daughters -

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15-year-old Alice, 12-year-old Nancy and six-year-old Phoebe.

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Although they love the area, Mike and Helen can't wait

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to finally buy a house they can truly call their own.

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Because we've been renting for a number of years,

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we have had the letter come through the door where, with no notice,

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we've got to vacate the property within four to six weeks.

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And being a mother and having three children, that gives us

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no security whatsoever and I want to do away with that once and for all.

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Empty properties are often in need of some serious renovation, so is Mike up for the challenge?

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Certainly I'm happy to start from scratch.

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If it's a property that needs a lot of work, that's fine.

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It really depends - each property on its own merit.

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The two oldest girls are also keen to put their mark on a home of their own.

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Yeah, I'm looking forward to changing it so it suits me and making it my own place.

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We want to paint it and have furniture to actually fit it.

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But the girls better be prepared to get their hands dirty.

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We are, between us, very creative.

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I think we'd really embrace the opportunity, and the girls

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are usually in agreement with what we think and what we want to do.

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They do a good job. They are very handy with a paintbrush.

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Helen and Mike run a successful business from home,

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teaching music to pre-school kids.

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That, plus three kids of their own, means they need a lot of space.

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They've got a budget of £500,000,

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but in an expensive area like Sussex, that won't go far.

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So a cheaper house in need of renovation could be perfect.

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Helen and Mike, very nice to see you down here.

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Quite an interesting endeavour that you're undertaking.

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What are we looking for?

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Ideally for us, our dream would be somewhere on the edge of a village

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or more rural than that, that would be fantastic.

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We're looking for a four-bedroom house and some good living space downstairs.

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We do both actually need a good size office because we do work from home.

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It's interesting that you are buying for the first time.

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Quite unusual, I'd say, for a couple like you with such an established family.

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When Helen and I first got together,

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we rented a house and we fell in love with the place we were in and

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we fell in love with the village, and the whole sort of country thing.

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More recently, we've decided that we want

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to have a property that we can call our own and put our own stamp on it.

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That's the joy of an empty property - you can get a lot

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more for your money and you do, of course, end up making it your own.

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So the Turners are looking for a minimum of four bedrooms.

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Lots of downstairs space, including ample office space for them both.

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And the more rural, the better.

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Even with £500,000 to spend,

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Helen and Mike would be hard pushed to find a newly renovated house that fits their bill.

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So, first up, we're at a vacant home right in the heart of the historical

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Sussex village of Robertsbridge.

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This cottage was originally a two-up,

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two-down Victorian house which was extended around 20 years ago.

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The village location isn't quite as rural as they wanted,

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but it does tick all of Helen and Mike's other boxes.

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There are two bedrooms on the ground floor,

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as well as two bedrooms

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upstairs and a separate outbuilding that could be used as office space.

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And, better still, there is heaps of potential to extend further,

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with planning permission already in place.

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No one has been living here for eight months now, and it's

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on the market for £430,000, so it's well within budget.

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But will its potential win over our first-time buyers?

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Now then. What do you think?

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I like the character.

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The fact that it's not just a square box of a room.

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As you can see, this is essentially the Victorian heart of the building.

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And that wall, in history, has been pushed out

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and the whole thing extended again

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to give you that area with a fireplace and so on and so forth.

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But there is that stud wall in between that and the kitchen.

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So, imagine the wall going.

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That would be great, wouldn't it?

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Well, one of the things we talked about was this whole idea

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of having an open space, where we have a space

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while we are cooking and eating, and the kids are all in one room.

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Let's explore the kitchen, because you'll get an idea of how it's going to work.

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There is currently a little downstairs WC in there,

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but the whole thing could be really opened up.

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I think that's the sort of thing we would want to do

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straight away, really, is to start knocking it about.

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I love your face, Mike. You can't wait to get into this, can you?

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No, it's looking good so far,

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and I'm just starting to picture knocking walls down.

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Let's go through there.

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'The original Victorian part of the house also has a dining room,

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'which leads on to the start of the more recent extension.

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'And now to those two downstairs bedrooms.'

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Yes, it's not really ideal.

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I really would like them all on one level upstairs.

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We will have a fight, I think.

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About having to go through one bedroom into the next.

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That's the problem. That's the only access to this room here.

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So in terms of what it offers you

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potentially, is another big living room, if this wall here

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were to go. Now, two bedrooms are upstairs.

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However, you could potentially put it all on one level.

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That's quite a big bit of work.

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But it would free up all of this for whatever you want it to be.

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Well, I think that would be ideal.

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That would make sense, it really would. And this can be quite a big family area.

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It would make a great family room.

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After a whistle-stop tour of the two upstairs bedrooms and family

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bathroom, we are off to see another great selling point of this house, the outbuilding.

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This separate structure houses a double garage, flexible downstairs

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space, and a 24 ft studio room

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that could make an ideal office for Mike and Helen.

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-OK, Helen.

-Wow!

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God!

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That's amazing.

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Well, I think this is our eldest daughter's house.

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But what about you, as a kind of workshop in which to work?

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-To have people round to do your courses?

-It would be fabulous.

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I've never had my own area for my music classes.

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-This would be fantastic.

-Yes, easily doable.

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-Especially the big windows.

-This ticks lots of boxes.

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-It gives us office space, storage space.

-It's fabulous. It's great.

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We like this.

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They are already approved plans to build on top of the current extension.

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This would give Mike and Helen the four upstairs bedrooms they're

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looking for, leaving them with a very large downstairs space to arrange however they want.

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A four-bedroom renovated house in the same area could cost up to £600,000.

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So we asked a local builder to give us an estimate for the proposed work

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and see how much Mike and Helen could save by choosing a home lying empty.

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And don't forget, whenever you're buying a house,

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it's always advisable to have a survey done

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to find out if there are any hidden problems.

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So, cost wise, that's going to be the rub, isn't it?

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Bearing in mind, £430,000 to buy it and you have £500,000 to spend.

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Coincidentally, a very basic job on getting the structure as proposed in the plans - £70,000.

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-So that comes in...

-That is bang on your 500 grand.

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I thought you were going to say more, actually.

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And I think you'd end up with a property that you would easily resell if you needed to.

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Yes, I think it makes it a lot more attractive as a property, certainly.

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These days, we don't tend to talk in terms of investment.

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We tend to talk in terms of "can we move it on?"

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We're not looking at it as an investment, we're looking at it as a family home.

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And the difference that these plans made and the fact they're already approved,

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makes it substantially better than it is currently in the state it's in.

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I'm glad Mike and Helen seem keen on this house,

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in spite of all the work it would take to make it their dream home.

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It may seem like a huge mountain to climb, but restoring an old house

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can be incredibly rewarding and cost-effective.

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As we'll see from this north London home.

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Just a few years ago, this double-fronted

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three-storey Victorian villa housed 11 dilapidated bedsits.

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They were in desperate need of care and attention.

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But in spite of its poor state, its owner knew

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the house was for her as soon as she walked through the door.

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He just showed me two rooms, basically, but I could tell

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it was an amazing house just from that, really.

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And we said, "That's all right, that's fine. We'll buy it".

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She'll never forget how she felt

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when this run-down old building finally became her family home.

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When we got the key, we thought, "Let's get on with this and make this how we want it to be."

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So it was very exciting, yeah.

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But as exciting as it was, the project was not all smooth sailing.

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The worst thing was we had a bit of a fire.

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It was quite dramatic, just here in the kitchen,

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so that was quite hard because we had to start that corner again.

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Now, instead of 11 bedsits,

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she has created a successful and stylish five-bedroom family home.

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And by being brave enough to resuscitate a neglected house,

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she's also reaped the financial benefits.

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She paid 30% less than she would have done if the house had been newly renovated.

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It is the perfect family home now, really.

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It's absolutely perfect. It's a really beautiful house.

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We are all very settled here.

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Turning unloved and uninhabitable buildings back into homes again

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benefits more than just the owners.

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As abandoned buildings deteriorate, they become unsafe

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and can spoil the rest of the neighbourhood.

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Luckily, most local authorities have an empty property officer, whose job

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it is to get them lived in again. Sue Lee works for Amber Valley in Derbyshire.

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'I love the fact that what I do has a direct impact on somebody's neighbourhood.'

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Amber Valley covers about 100 square miles, and Sue has approximately

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1,000 empty buildings under her watch at any one time.

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I'm off to a property where I've been working with a couple,

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trying to negotiate with the owner to persuade him to sell it to them.

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The house Sue is visiting today has been slowly deteriorating since

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the owner just upped sticks 24 years ago and never came back.

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John and Elaine Burton own a rental home next door to the place in question.

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It's really been a nightmare, because as we rent the property,

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people are no longer wanting to rent it, because of the state of the property next door.

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And also we couldn't possibly sell it.

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Because, again, who would want to buy a property with a derelict next door?

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As John has lived in the village all his life,

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he knew the owner by sight,

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but because he left without a trace, John had no idea of his whereabouts.

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After spending years trying to find him, in January 2007, Elaine

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got lucky after typing the owner's name into an internet search engine.

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And lo and behold, he came up.

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He lived in Austria.

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She came running down, "I found him, I found him."

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I said, "No, it can't be true".

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Anyway, she printed a photo off, and I said, "That's him".

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Be it 24 years on, that's him.

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And so, the door's opened from there.

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John gave the information to Sue Lee,

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and although the process has been a slow one, now, two years on,

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the Burtons have finally taken possession of the house next door.

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I can't praise the council enough for helping to get this thing sorted out. We've got three parties happy.

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We've got the council people happy, we've got the man who was selling it happy, and ourselves.

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Sue has joined John on site today for an inspection.

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Well, I must say, this probably wins the prize for being the worst I've been in.

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-Internally.

-Damp, it's beginning to crack open.

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It wouldn't be long before it started caving in.

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The next step is for John to submit his plans to the council planning department.

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And providing they are approved, this little cottage will finally

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be given a new lease of life.

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I'm only glad we were able to help negotiate with the previous owner for you.

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But until the house is finished,

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Sue will be keeping her watchful eye on it.

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I'm really hoping that things are going to move forward now.

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Obviously, what we don't want is for it now to sit with another owner remaining empty.

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I don't think John would have pursued this if he weren't really interested

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in doing something with this property. I'm just really keen to see what's going to happen.

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So, if you think you've spotted an empty property lying unloved

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and abandoned near you, why not call your local property officer who can investigate further?

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After renting for 20 years in Sussex,

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Helen and Mike have decided it's high time to have a family house they can call their own.

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They're after four bedrooms in rural Sussex,

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with lots of downstairs space, including an office.

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Our first time buyers have got £500,000 to spend

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and I think an empty home is their best bet

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for finding the space they need within budget.

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They really like the first house I show them, priced at £430,000.

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Spend an extra 70,000 to give them the space they are looking for,

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but this could add up to £170,000 to its value.

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Well, this ticks lots of boxes.

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It gives as office space, gives us storage space.

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Now, I want to show Mike and Helen another home

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that's just waiting for new, loving owners.

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No one has lived in this place for over a year now.

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It's a Victorian gatehouse, set in gardens of approximately three-quarters of an acre,

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which gives it the rural setting on Helen and Mike's wish-list.

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This quirky building is currently much smaller than Helen and Mike are looking for with only three bedrooms

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and limited ground floor space, but the big plus is that the very

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large plot means there is loads of potential to extend.

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The downside of being a gatehouse, of course - it's by the road.

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Which we can hear there.

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That is, of course, however, reflected in the price.

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It is currently on the market at £325,000.

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So £175,000 under your proposed maximum spend. What do you reckon?

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First impressions, if you were to knock the back end off here and maybe try and mirror what is on

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the other side, it starts to make it look more attractive.

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What's interesting about this is that it's not listed.

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-Right.

-So the sky's the limit.

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Let's see our imagination go wild.

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-Well, why not?

-Come and have a look inside, because it's unbelievable.

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Great.

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The whole interior of this unique house is in need of modernisation,

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but our first stop is the triple-aspect sitting room.

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What can I tell you about this?

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1840, classic mid-Victorian, really.

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As a result, it was built to kind of show off the estate to which it was attached.

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It's all tall ceilings, as you would have expected at the time,

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big windows looking out onto the drive.

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So that the guys living here could keep an eye

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on what was happening, who was coming and going and so forth.

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But traditionally they would have been quite small families, so it's not a massive building.

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It's light and airy.

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As you say, lots of windows so lots of light coming in!

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That's about the best you can say about it.

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I can't see how you'd open the windows.

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The only escape I can offer you is that,

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for what its asking price is - 325 -

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you have 175 grand to play with, so let's get creative. Let's see

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what we can do.

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Here on the ground floor are two bedrooms.

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There's also a bathroom with a separate loo and a small kitchen.

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Have a think and start teasing out some of the ideas about how we might extend it.

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-How about going that way with the kitchen.

-Yeah?

-Right out.

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It's a lot of building work for this place to make it into a family

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home, but, yeah, think of it going that way.

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There's a little toilet there and a little utility thing, a boot room.

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A door out to the back garden and all that could be opened up.

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Down in the basement is a reasonable sized cellar.

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And upstairs is a very quirky bedroom three.

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I mean, it goes on, beyond that huge chimney breast which dominates

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the central spine of the building.

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So you've got all these weird angles and gables running off that central axis, hence these crazy roof lines.

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So it's pretty difficult, to be fair, to see

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this space as it currently is being in any way practical.

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So, in many ways, it's about where it is, about the plot that it's in

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and what you do outside.

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Now, a four-bedroom place in this area on the same size plot

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would cost in excess of £650,000.

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As this house has so much extension potential, we asked a local

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architect to estimate the cost of making it into a four-bedroom home.

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Our architect is saying something in the region of about £150,000,

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which, in the context of the spend on the building at £325,000,

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plus the 175 left over, that is in the right realms of possibility.

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It's a lot to take on.

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-Yes.

-It is.

-Yeah. There are some great things about it.

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The view is just fantastic.

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But it's spoiled by the road.

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I'm glad you've seen it, because I think it is an interesting comparative example.

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And it just goes to show what you can achieve for 325 in terms of plot size, but it's still within budget.

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So Mike and Helen have seen two very different empty homes,

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but will they be putting in any offers?

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Find out later on.

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Finding bargain homes that aren't being lived in can take a bit of effort.

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Empty property officer Sue Lee, whose beat takes in Amber Valley in Derbyshire,

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is continuing her mission to turn disused buildings back into homes again.

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There's various reasons why properties are left empty.

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You meet owners from all walks of life.

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Some of them are really amicable and we sort things out straight away with them.

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Others cause me a complete headache, but this one today is quite different.

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We are hopefully here today to try and find a good solution.

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This neglected four-bedroom detached house became run-down

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as its owners were elderly and unable to look after it properly.

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When they passed away, the family decided to sell it to a developer,

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but complications with the sale meant the developer pulled out two years ago.

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Since then, it has continued to go downhill,

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and has attracted vandals and the neighbours have complained.

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Today, Sue is meeting with an auctioneer to see whether he thinks he can sell it.

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-So somewhere behind here there is a house.

-Mm-hm.

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I don't think we'll go that way.

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I'm glad I put my old suit on. Invariably, in every auction I do

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I have a property which is totally neglected.

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It might be boarded up, it might be abandoned, gardens overgrown,

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and it is very, very auctionable.

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-That's rather nice, isn't it?

-It is, yeah.

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The good news is that all the issues

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that could have prevented a sale on the house have been resolved.

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Planning permission has also been secured to develop it further.

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Now that's good, because from an auction point of view, that adds another dimension to the sale.

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So you may get your people who will want to renovate what's here and

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make a fabulous garden out of it, but you'll also get developers and builders who'll say,

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"I'll renovate the house and build something else in the grounds."

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So, is there hope for this empty home?

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It's a lovely old 1930s detached house.

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It's a crying shame it's as it is, but it's going to do really, really well at auction.

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Sue recently had a similar place in the same area sell at auction for £166,000.

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So it looks like this could be another case closed very soon.

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I'm really pleased. I think this will be a great solution and I hope the owner thinks so too.

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Renovating an empty house is one thing. But when you've bought

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a forgotten building that's barely got a roof, you really do need to use your imagination.

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When Susie Askew bought this derelict outbuilding as part of her

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North Devon farm, she knew she could turn it into something incredible.

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It was potentially a very beautiful place.

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Looking at the photographs, we must have had an enormous

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amount of vision, but I think we've now achieved it.

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As it was just a shell when they bought it, Susie and her husband

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faced a mammoth task trying to turn it into the two-bedroom country cottage they'd imagined.

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The structure was quite difficult, because we had to raise the roof.

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None of the floor levels were straight.

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All the walls had to be redone.

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We were starting with virtually nothing.

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11 years ago, this old barn was worth no more than £20,000.

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Susie spent £100,000 transforming it into a cosy cottage, and now she's almost doubled her money.

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It's much more satisfying to make good something that is old.

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You've just got to have vision and guts, and go for it. I would do it every time.

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So, if you'd like to buy an empty property, let your local estate agents know exactly what you're

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looking for, and to inform you the moment one comes on to their books.

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And if you spy a house near you which you think may be abandoned,

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contact your council's empty property officer.

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If the owner is known to them, they may be willing to

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approach them on your behalf to see if they'd like to sell up.

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Back in rural Sussex, I've been showing Mike and Helen some options that could be

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transformed into a family home.

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They want four bedrooms with office space, as they work from home,

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and they also want to be in the countryside.

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I've shown them two very different properties,

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both with bags of potential to renovate and extend.

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But have I convinced them a home lying empty might be for them?

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-How have you found it?

-All in all, a very good day,

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and we've really learnt a great deal from it.

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If nothing else, we've learnt that you have to take your time

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when you're looking at a property.

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Rather than just rushing in and out with an agent,

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because the more that we were at both properties,

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the more inspired we became.

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-Let's have a think about the first one.

-We did start off saying we

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wanted rural, or on the end of the village, and the garden cottage is in a more central village location.

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But I have to say that, as Mike said, the more time we spent there

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and actually talked about it, it just had so much of what we need.

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And obviously it was great to be able to see the plans

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that have been approved, because then you can actually picture it.

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And to know it's affordable, that's the interesting thing.

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It's not a black hole. OK, so then we took you to something very different.

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We talk about projects in this game, but, my goodness me, there was a project!

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The old gate house.

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What were your initial thoughts as you walked through the gate with me?

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In a different location, it could have lots of potential.

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Yes, the outlook, if you look across the fields,

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the path there, that was lovely.

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Pretty, nice and quiet, except for that very busy road.

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Yes, a very busy road.

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The girls aren't here, but what do you think they would say if you took them to that first house?

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I think we would certainly have the children wanting to move into the annex!

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I think if they would go outside,

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go in the garden and see all the space, the lovely, pretty garden

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-and the annex, that would just do it for them. They would love it.

-Yeah.

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But I'm dying to ask now, the half a million pound question

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of your hard-earned cash - have we inspired you

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to buy an empty property and have we found you the right property?

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You've inspired us enormously.

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I think we need to go away and have a really serious think

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about the Robertsbridge house.

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We just have to make sure that this is the right house for us,

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in the right village, and that we could feel comfortable and set down some roots here.

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I have to say, it's been a real pleasure showing you around some properties in Sussex.

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Just do let us know how you get on.

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We will do. It's been a lovely day. Thank you.

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Exploring the potential of empty buildings like the two we have seen today can,

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I think, with the right amount of vision, inspire buyers and encourage them

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to take on these unloved properties

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and hopefully turn one of them into their dream home.

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