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Across the UK, there are nearly a million homes lying unloved and unlived in,

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ready for someone to come along and give them a bright new future.

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So whether it's a tired semi or a rambling mansion,

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we're on a mission to rescue Britain's empty homes.

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Now, in buying a new home, there is nothing more rewarding

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than taking on an empty building and breathing new life into it.

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Tackling a major renovation allows you to tailor the property

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to your individual needs and, with any luck,

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you could both save and make money along the way.

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On the show today, I'm giving the benefit of my experience

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renovating a disused house to a couple who are looking for their next home.

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And introducing them to other homeowners

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who have done amazing things with formerly vacant houses.

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It's absolutely superb. I'd never have thought of doing something like this.

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We'll also be joining an empty property officer

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on a mission to bring dilapidated buildings back into use.

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I don't like boarding properties up,

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cos it advertises the fact that this is an empty house,

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but it's something we've been forced to do.

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The decision to take on an empty property

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is not one to be taken lightly, but there's no two ways about it,

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transforming something that's unloved and unlived in

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into your new home can be incredibly rewarding -

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but you do have to be up for something of a challenge.

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Finance director Suki Cavendish and banker Carl Newman

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are expecting their first baby and want to move from London to Godalming in Surrey.

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Ah, that's really cute.

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They want to find a house they can feather into a perfect family nest.

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We're looking to move because we've got a baby on the way in a couple of months,

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and we don't want to raise our baby in London,

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so we're trying to move out into the sticks.

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A bit of fresh air and find a house rather than a flat.

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The pair have decided they want to buy an abandoned house

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they can breathe new life into and for Suki, it's a lifelong ambition.

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I've always wanted to do some kind of property renovation work

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and an empty property, you've got the ability to do that.

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Something that is an empty shell and a blank canvas

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is something that I think will be ideal.

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But where they're looking, even with their £450,000 budget,

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they'll struggle to tick all their boxes,

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which could be why they've looked at a whopping 40 properties

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and are yet to see one they like.

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Now sometimes when people can't find a house they're happy with,

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it's because they're looking at the wrong type of property,

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so to find out where they've been going wrong,

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I sent Carl and Suki to have a look at a classic empty building

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to try and highlight some of the issues they've been grappling with.

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I want to see if Suki and Carl can spot the potential

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in this 19th century, semi-detached house in the village of Compton.

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Looks lovely.

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With two bedrooms and the potential to add a third in the loft,

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there's a good-size garden and plenty of period features.

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Lots of character, lots of charm. Can't discount anything yet.

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The previous owners relocated for work six months ago,

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so it's been empty ever since and it's on the market for £365,000.

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This would leave Suki and Carl 85 grand

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to make any alterations.

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And, with a bit of imagination, this place could be fantastic.

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-It's small though, isn't it?

-Yeah.

-It is a bit small.

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Oh, dear! It looks like these two have spotted a problem

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within seconds of stepping inside.

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I'm a bit concerned about coming straight in,

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no real hallway or anything, straight into the lounge.

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-There's nowhere to put...

-Coats or wellies or...buggies.

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Well, let's hope things improve in the kitchen.

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May be able to get a washing machine or something in there, at a squeeze.

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I don't think there's much space, though.

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If you take out the units, there's only about three cupboard spaces.

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Not a tremendous amount of space, with the stuff we've got.

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-Yeah. Not big enough.

-Not big enough on the storage.

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But there's plenty of square footage in here

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and potentially, it could be a great family kitchen.

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Let's see if the upstairs can fire up their imagination.

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They'll find a reasonable-size bathroom and two bedrooms,

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with plenty of room to extend into the loft.

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-I don't know whether you could go into the loft.

-If you put stairs in,

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-you'd lose half a room.

-That's even if you get planning permission.

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It's a shame, cos it's a lovely house, but slightly too small.

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The house is what it is. It's six rooms in total.

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With clever planning, they could get a staircase in,

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but I don't think they yet have the vision

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to see what big changes can be made to an empty house.

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Suki, very nice to see you. Carl.

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'So let's convince them to look beyond any negative first impressions

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'to see what they can achieve with an empty property.'

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We sent you off to look at what I thought

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was a very interesting empty property,

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full of period charm and character. What did you make of that one?

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It was very, very pretty and exactly the type of character we wanted,

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but ultimately, it was a bit too small

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and there didn't seem the opportunity to extend into a third bedroom.

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What about going up into the loft?

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It would be too difficult.

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The space is big enough, but we'd have to chop into the bathroom

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and build the stairs and we'd lose some space on the first floor.

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You'll lose space with stairs,

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but that's where your architect comes in to do that

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as creatively as possible

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to minimise the impact on the existing floor plan.

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But my worry with you two is that you've looked at 40-odd houses and not one of them you've signed up to.

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We've been looking at lots and lots of houses to see what styles we like and where the locations are.

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-40's a lot though!

-40 is a lot.

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-We've had some pretty busy weekends.

-I bet you have. Indeed.

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I mean, what is it that you think you haven't found?

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Quite a few have been done up to someone else's specifications.

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We walk in and go, "Oh, I wouldn't have put the bathroom there",

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or, "I don't like the way they've done the kitchen", or we want to move rooms around.

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So there's always one or two things that don't quite tick all the boxes.

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So what can we do for you, do you think, to inspire you to take this on?

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What do you need to know and learn?

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Just to see what's possible.

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And the space. A lot of the properties we've looked at are in really good locations -

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obviously more expensive - and don't have the space and that worries us a bit.

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-So if we can do something in a smaller space...

-Get creative with the space.

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What we're trying to do, I think, is to give you

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some ideas and some confidence to take on something that's empty, to give you what you want precisely.

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Because I suspect that only if you two create it, will it work.

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Right. It's the bespoke nature that we want.

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I think you've come to the right place.

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We can introduce you to some interesting builds and

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some interesting owners who can share their experience with you

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and, hopefully, give you a few key pointers as to how you can make an empty property your new dream home.

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-Excellent.

-That sounds fantastic.

-They shouldn't be put off by a lack of space or a building's appearance.

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Great things can be achieved with a little imagination.

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When Dominique Brown and William Walsh bought their narrow boat in Bath in 2009,

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they saw beyond its rundown state and cramped proportions.

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We drove for two hours to get there to have a look at it.

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-Fell in love with it.

-I don't know how, cos it was a state.

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Yeah, we fell in love with the dream of having that...

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-I think that's what it was.

-..that boat.

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Although they paid a mere £11,000 for the boat, things weren't all plain sailing.

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We had a survey done on it after we'd bought it, which wasn't the best idea.

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-We should have done that before.

-Yeah.

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And found that the entire bottom, the hull of the boat,

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-needed completely re-plating, which was a lot of money.

-Yeah.

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Looking back on it, we should have done a bit more research than we actually did.

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-We should have done, yes.

-This may not be a conventional property, but Dominique

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and William's vision meant they created their perfect home.

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The design, the things in a small space, was so much fun

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because everything has to be multi-functional, multi-purpose.

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The dining table and desk folds away.

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Folding the bed up and putting it as a sofa, it's nice because

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you instantly change from one room to another.

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That's what we love, having the same space but it changes.

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In the evening, we'll be having dinner

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and think, "We quite fancy a change of scenery."

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And so we literally move our entire home, our entire belongings, and then off we go. There you go, then.

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We wanted the city centre lifestyle and we've got that,

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but we've managed to have it on a very inexpensive budget.

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We don't have a huge mortgage, which is very nice.

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They've achieved all this for £45,000

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and it's giving them the passion to do more renovations in the future.

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The investment that we've put into this, we'll take into other boats.

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So everything we've learned from here will then go on and we can do

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another boat a lot quicker and a lot more efficiently.

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-Cos funnily enough, we haven't been put off, for some odd reason!

-No.

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It just makes you want to do it more.

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And it's so nice to bring an older boat back to life as well.

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Yeah. It's really sad to see one rusting away.

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And it's quite an emotional thing doing a boat,

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because it's not like a house. It feels like it has more personality.

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Yeah, and history within it.

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And it's constantly moving by itself, so I think it's nice to bring it back to life.

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All over the country, there are teams of empty property officers

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whose job it is to spot unoccupied homes and, hopefully, get somebody living in them again.

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And in Enfield, north-east London, it's Dave Carter who deals with the borough's vacant buildings.

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You've got to use your housing skills, your surveying skills, your investigation skills.

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There's so many aspects to the job which appeal to me.

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His patch covers an area of 30 square miles in the capital

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and in the last five years he's brought 250 properties back into use.

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Today we're off to a property which has been on my books for at least eight years.

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The house, which has attracted antisocial behaviour,

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was eventually the subject of a compulsory purchase order by Enfield Council.

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Now it will be sold at auction, but before it is, Dave needs to make sure it's secure.

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-Hi, there.

-All right.

-How are you doing?

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Re-nailing this window at the moment.

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-All right.

-Just to put the board back on and that.

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I don't like boarding properties up cos it advertises

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the fact that this is an empty house, but in this case we've been forced to

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cos there's the chance squatters may attempt to break in.

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So until we dispose of the house at auction, this is a temporary measure.

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Hopefully, it won't put off too many buyers.

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After eight years of work on this case, it's a crucial time for Dave.

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It's the day of the auction, but several lots haven't met their reserve.

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Third and final time.

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All three of you are just a margin away on that one.

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I'm always worried before the sale.

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You know, you always think the worst.

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Fingers crossed.

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Lot number 14. So vacant property here, requires modernisation.

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Being sold by Enfield Council. I'd invite your bids.

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Where would you like to start me on this?

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Where do you want to be?

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I can see you, sir. What's that?

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That's £300,000.

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Fortunately, the empty house Dave's dealing with has attracted some keen bidding.

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-375.

-375. Thank you.

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At 375,000 for the second,

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third and final time. At £375,000.

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Your house, sir, at 375.

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The successful bidder is called Mr Kann.

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Dave's eager to meet him and find out his intentions for one of his most problematic properties.

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-Hello there. Nice to meet you.

-I'm fine thank you. How are you doing?

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-Not too bad at all. So you were the successful bidder then?

-I am.

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-How do you feel?

-I feel great.

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I would have gone a little bit more than what I already bid.

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Don't tell me that! DAVE LAUGHS

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So the big question is, what are you going to do with it?

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I'm not sure yet. I haven't made my mind up yet, because obviously it depends on the background...

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You'll need advice from builders and surveyors?

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-Usually, I take my advice from my wife.

-THEY LAUGH

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Don't we all? I'm just pleased that it's gone to somebody who we can work with.

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-Cheers.

-Thank you very much for your help.

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I'm very, very pleased. The sale went through, that was the main thing.

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It's not the end. It's sort of the beginning of the end.

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But I can see light at the end of the tunnel

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and, hopefully, in another three to six months, somebody will be living there.

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Although it's been sold, Dave will keep his eye on the house to make sure it comes back into use.

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We'll catch up with him later as he hands over the keys.

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Suki Cavendish and Carl Newman's plans to renovate an empty home are on ice,

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as they keep rejecting properties on the basis of things like cupboard space.

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-Yeah. It's not big enough.

-Not big enough on the storage.

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I want them to realise all these things can be changed if they use their imagination.

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We've come here to something you probably wouldn't have considered -

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classic, post-war, 1950s housing estate.

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The great thing about these kind of builds is that they are absolutely blank.

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-You can do pretty much whatever you like to them.

-Mm.

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So we're going to introduce you to one of these properties

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that is halfway through a very extensive rebuild

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and let's see if that gives you a few ideas

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as to what to do with a property that, on the face of it, may not be full of charm,

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but could still be turned into a really interesting family home for you two.

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-Great.

-Yeah.

-Come on.

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From the front this three-bed house looks like a small, uninspiring box

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and that's exactly what it was when owners Alistair and Alison Alexander

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found it after it had been standing empty for months.

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It was a bit shabby. Decor wasn't very good, I must admit.

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Really old-fashioned, needed a good tidy up, needed a good clean.

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But it had just that something about it that we knew... Well, I knew...

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it could be a nice family home.

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They're now halfway through a dramatic transformation,

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having knocked down almost every wall

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and added a large extension to the rear,

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providing more space for them and their three children.

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Alistair's doing an amazing job with a house most people wouldn't have given a second look

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and he's creating a stunning five-bedroom family home.

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-As you can see, still very much kind of work in progress, but that's the neighbour...

-Yeah.

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-Yeah.

-And that is the new addition.

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-It's a big extension, isn't it?

-It's quite a big extension. That's really impressive.

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-In terms of scope and size, this is a different property from the back.

-Yeah.

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-Very much so.

-You wouldn't expect this from the front.

-No.

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'It's an ambitious project with builder Alistair doing most of the work himself.'

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-It's amazing.

-It's a nice house, isn't it?

-It's got good space

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-for a table and family living.

-Absolutely.

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How did you go about creating this space,

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because I presume most of these internal walls were not like this?

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You're right. None of them were like this.

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We knocked down this wall here through the brick.

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So you've completely transformed the floor plan.

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Absolutely taken everything out. Gutted it.

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Is there anything in here that survives from the original house?

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There is only one wall that survives.

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The original exterior wall.

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So presumably then, above us there are several steel beams taking all the load?

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-About ten different steel beams...

-Ten steel beams?

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-Gosh.

-Wow.

-..holding it up.

-You make it sound very straightforward.

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Just give us a sense of some of the challenges that you've had to overcome.

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Well, number one, living in it while doing it. That was a challenge in its own right.

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The dust was absolutely horrendous.

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When the kitchen went, it was a case of, "Right, OK, a few takeaways."

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This has been a major job, which required a lot of careful planning.

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What would be your top tips in terms of easing the passage of an application through the planners?

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-I would always go larger than what you want to go.

-Yeah.

-So if you want to go two metres out,

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go bigger, cos if you do get knocked back by the council,

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you know, you've already got in mind what your minimum would be.

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-That's a great tip - a very, very sensible way of doing it.

-Yeah.

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It is a rewarding process rebuilding your own home. I think it is. I've done it.

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It's really nice to know at the end of the day, you're just going to sit down,

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just go, "Oh, just what I wanted! Just what I wanted!"

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See, that's the trick.

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What we've got to get you guys to do

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is to see similar sorts of potential in a wide range of buildings.

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They've looked at 40 properties and not been persuaded to buy one yet.

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This is what we're thinking. This is what you need to do.

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-You need to create your own space in exactly the same way that Alistair's done.

-Exactly.

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'Later, I'll be showing Suki and Carl

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'an outstanding finished project that I hope will blow them away.'

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But first, we're heading back to north-east London,

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where empty property officer Dave Carter is meeting up with

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the gentleman who successfully bid at auction for the vacant house

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which had been empty for eight years.

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It's been a month now since we went to the auction, so I'm going to see what plans he's got for the house.

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Before Dave can hand over the keys to Mr Kann, there's just one final check for him to make.

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Hi, Elizabeth. Has the money gone through?

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Right, lovely.

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How are you doing?

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-Fine, thank you.

-Are you all set?

-Yes, I am.

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-Your big adventure.

-Yes.

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-Thank you very much.

-All right.

-Shall we have a look inside?

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By all means. I believe you've had an architect round.

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A condition of the sale is that Mr Kann,

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as the new owner, has to bring this four-bedroom house back into use within 12 months.

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What have you sold me?

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-I've sold you a nice four-bed family house.

-Well...

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-It's all yours now.

-A lot to do.

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Having been home to squatters, the house is now in a terrible state,

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so there's a lot of work to be done before it's back to a liveable standard.

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First thing we have to do is clear up. I've ordered a skip for tomorrow.

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Take all the rubbish out from the rooms.

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Four skips, five skips.

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Yeah. A fresh start completely.

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, to be honest, no shortcuttings.

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Just do everything properly.

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Any thoughts about the boarding?

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-Are you leaving the boarding up for now?

-I'll put security cameras in.

-Good. And then take the boards down?

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Eventually I will take the boards down, but I won't rush taking the boards down immediately...

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Given the history, I think it would be...

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It would be silly to do that.

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Any thoughts about what you're going to do with it once it's all fixed up?

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I think we'll live here for a little while ourselves.

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-That's the plan.

-We won't ask for the boards back. You can keep them.

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-Oh, thank you very much!

-THEY LAUGH

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Still a lot of work to do.

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Obviously I've got to monitor it for the next 12 months,

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but I'm confident it will be occupied well before that.

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Since Dave handed over ownership of the house to Mr Kann, work has been under way to renovate it

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and it should be lived in again within six months.

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If you think you've got what it takes to transform an empty property,

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there are various ways to find one.

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You can contact your local estate agent and see if they've got anything vacant,

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or try your local auction house. You might even find a bargain of a repossession.

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Or, of course, you can also contact your local empty property officer.

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Adventurous buyers looking to pick up a piece of history

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should look at the English Heritage website.

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Here you'll find a list of buildings registered as "at risk", some of which may be up for sale.

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Suki Cavendish and Carl Newman have rejected 40 properties

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in their hunt for a home for them and their soon-to-be-born baby.

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They think an empty place may be the answer,

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but so far this 19th-century semi just didn't have the right layout for them.

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A bit concerned about coming straight in the front door and there's no hallway.

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'I'm trying to persuade them to be more open-minded about the kind of properties they look at.

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'They were impressed by what the owners were doing to this formerly empty house.'

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It's a big extension, really impressive.

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But now I've shown them what CAN be done,

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I want to show them a transformation that I think will really amaze them.

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-Well, it's not that one.

-Mm-hm.

-OK.

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-It's not that one.

-Yeah.

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-It's that one.

-Blimey!

-That is amazing.

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-Well, it used to...

-Did they knock it down and start again?

-Almost.

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That looks nothing like it!

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But the core of that building is still within

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that seemingly brand-new, very contemporary structure.

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-It's amazing.

-That looks really good.

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Hugo and Jude Tugman bought this three-bedroom, one-bathroom,

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detached house in Twickenham back in 2003.

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When I first walked into the house,

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it was pretty ordinary in all sorts of ways.

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It was really shabby and dog-eared and the kitchen was really grotty.

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But the moment we saw it I got really excited

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because I could see instantly the possibilities that we could do to change this.

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Both architects by trade, they've taken a 1970s carbuncle

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that had been empty for more than a year

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and given it an 18-month extreme face-lift.

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In you come.

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-Wow!

-How about that for a staircase?

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Yeah, that's nice, isn't it?

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The Tugmans have managed to transform their abandoned house into a contemporary home

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with three bedrooms on the first floor

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and a master suite in a newly created loft conversion.

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-Hi. How are you?

-Hi.

-Now we are all rightly wowed by this property.

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-Good.

-Congratulations.

-Thank you.

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-It is quite something.

-It's superb.

-Amazing.

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When you first saw this place, before you tackled it, what did you think?

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-Because it's a pretty uninspiring picture.

-No, I thought, "Spot-oh!"

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I thought this is absolutely...

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Immediately I could see loads of opportunity to do things.

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I mean, I look around me and I cannot recognise the building that you bought.

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There are some original features. Some external walls are there, aren't they?

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The four outside walls are the same four walls.

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The windows are in different positions, there's been extensions,

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but the four walls are basically the same.

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Even though it's not a massive square footage, footprint, it actually looks much bigger.

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Essentially it was a 7.5 metre square plan

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and we've still got that plus a couple of extensions.

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It's not a huge footprint, but you have created this illusion

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of a much bigger property. How have you done it?

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What we've tried to do here

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is create zones, create clear zones, so it's open.

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We've got a study zone, kitchen zone, living zone, dining zone.

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The dining room, if it were surrounded by walls,

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would feel like a dining room, but because it overlaps into there and there, it feels bigger.

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We've talked about your search for a period property and storage is a problem.

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No, storage is absolutely key. Everyone has loads of stuff, there's no getting away from it.

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If you want a clutter-free environment, you need loads of storage.

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This is inspirational. Whether we modernise a period property like this is another matter,

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but we do need to get creative and create storage in a period property if we ever went that way.

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Perhaps the most incredible thing about this building is that Hugo

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has achieved all of it without having to get planning permission.

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Instead, he's done all the work using something called Permitted Development.

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Tell us a bit about Permitted Development,

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because it's a black art to some people, but, clearly, everyday to you.

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Yeah, it's an incredibly useful thing.

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Every house has Permitted Development rights -

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automatic planning permission for things up to certain limits

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without needing a planning application.

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-For example?

-You can do a ground-floor extension

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up to a certain number of metres from the back wall.

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You can do loft dormers as long as you don't go higher than

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the highest point of the roof. All these sorts of limits.

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If you know the limits, you can go TO the limits and we pretty much did here.

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Potentially now worth £1.1 million,

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Hugo and Jude have maximised the space available,

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creating a cutting-edge, four-bedroom family home.

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-This is terrific!

-Wow! That's pretty good!

-It's amazing, isn't it?

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An en suite with a difference, Hugo.

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What an earth gave you the idea for that? I have to say, I love it.

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Well, essentially, it is just a loft conversion and it's not all that big.

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So trying to maximise the effect of the space, it made sense

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-not to sub-divide the bathroom from the bedroom space and just have them all as one.

-It's superb!

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-It's very different.

-I'd never have thought of something like this.

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We met a builder today. Now we've introduced you to an architect.

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This is all stacking up to really facilitate your next project,

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but what would be your parting words of advice to Carl and Suki?

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Well, first of all, I'd say don't think anything's impossible.

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You can do pretty much anything.

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Yes, of course, there are realities. There are limitations to budgets,

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limitations in practical terms left, right and centre,

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but don't restrict your thinking.

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I guess it's a sign of the physical and creative ambition that you've brought to this property

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that you've been able to tear up the assumptions that most of make about buildings?

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That's right. It's important to be free with the way you think about what's possible.

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I really hope the Tugman's place has finally convinced Suki and Carl

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that regardless of a property's appearance, anything can be turned into a unique home.

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So, you two, we've shown you two quite different properties -

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-one in progress, one spectacularly finished, I think we'd agree.

-Yeah.

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What are the key lessons that you'll take away from today's experience?

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That you don't need to keep the look of the house.

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What you buy doesn't have to look the same once you've done it up.

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It can look completely different and overhaul the whole property.

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Well, for me, I think it would be the confidence to actually give something a go.

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Beforehand, you might have had a crazy idea

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but not necessarily the confidence to speak to people and see how feasible it was.

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So do you think we've been able to help unlock your imagination, Suki?

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I think so, definitely. Particularly with the last property,

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because what they purchased doesn't look anything like what's there at the end of the whole process.

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So what happens next?

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My parting question for you.

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Well, we have to have a baby first! THEY LAUGH

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I think initially we wanted to try and do something before the baby arrived,

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but it was taking time and I think we'll have to wait until after the baby's arrived and reassess.

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-But it hasn't put me off, personally, or I think you either...

-No.

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..to tackle this in the near future.

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Let us know how you get on, but in the meantime,

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very best of luck with the birth and here's to your new home and new family.

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-Cheers!

-Cheers!

-Thank you.

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You know, I'm always surprised at the range and number of empty properties that are out there

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and, of course, by what people are able to do with them.

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We've had the chance to show Carl and Suki two very inspiring properties

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at differing ends of the financial and creative spectrum,

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but, importantly, I think they've armed them with a new sense of confidence

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to tackle a project of their own.

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And when eventually they do, I think they're going to go about it with a great sense of fun.

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