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Up and down the country, there are empty properties waiting to be brought back to life.

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I'll be discovering why and how you can turn a diamond in the rough into a gem of a home.

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We'll be following the Empty Property Officers,

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whose job it is to track down the owners of these forgotten houses and get them back into use.

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And I'll be finding out about our housing stock, our history,

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and why we should be both preserving and reinventing

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Britain's empty homes.

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Renovating an empty home can seem like a risk,

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and of course there are many pitfalls to watch out for -

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out of control budgets, unforeseen structural issues

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and planning restrictions.

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But if you can navigate through these inherent dangers,

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then the rewards of taking on a once-empty home

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can be truly life-changing.

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'On today's show, I'll be meeting a couple who want to leave city living behind

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'and think an empty property may be the answer to a life by the sea.'

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We don't want to take on anything mammoth,

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like completely rebuilding something as an empty shell.

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'We'll be finding out about an innovative scheme to turn disused shops into homes.'

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If we can encourage owners to think about developing their shops,

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not only will it help sustain their business, but it could help give affordable homes for people.

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'We'll follow one of Britain's Empty Property Officers on his mission

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'to get derelict buildings lived in again.'

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It's one property in one hell of a state. Very, very bad indeed.

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'John and Jackie White currently live in Wanstead, east London,

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'and have been in their three-bedroom Edwardian terrace for eight years.

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'With the arrival of their first grandchild,

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'they're keen to be near their daughter in Leigh-on-Sea in Essex.'

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It's not a million miles away, but it's still, you know, a 70-mile round trip.

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You think twice about popping in for a cup of tea.

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'Jackie's due to retire soon and the couple feel now is the perfect time

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'to leave London for a life by the sea.'

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We always take every opportunity to get out of London,

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-weekends and holidays, so it just seems the right time.

-Yeah.

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'They've around £350,000 for both the purchase and renovation of a property.

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'They want something they can modernise to create their ideal home.'

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By taking on an empty property,

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we can put our own stamp on it, start afresh.

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We don't want to take on anything mammoth, like completely rebuilding something as an empty shell.

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'The couple have never tackled a big renovation before,

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'so they'll need to get professionals in for major work.

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'And with John still employed full time, it'll be Jackie taking on the role of project manager.'

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It is a bit scary. Sometimes you see people saying "we can do it for 40,000" and it ends up being 100.

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There's no way we can be going over budget.

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'So, I'm meeting up with John and Jackie in Thorpe Bay, Essex,

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'an area close to their daughter.

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'I'm showing them an empty house within their budget that could be transformed into a fabulous home.'

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Here we are in Thorpe Bay. Do you know Thorpe Bay?

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We often go to Leigh, but we do know Thorpe Bay.

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-You've got family in Leigh?

-That's right, daughter and son-in-law, baby.

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Baby! Very exciting! And you still work in London?

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-Yes, I do, and I'll be commuting from here.

-OK.

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Well, you are not even a minute from a railway station.

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-I noticed that.

-It's easy to get to the other side of Southend and into London as well.

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It's a very good hub to get around from, in terms of transport.

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This is the property - 1930s semi-detached chalet style bungalow.

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The point of today is, this is an exercise.

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This is typical of the sort of empty property on the market.

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We're going to have a look. It won't all be to your taste.

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-But keep an open mind and try and see the potential in it, OK?

-OK.

-Let's go and have a look.

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'This bungalow has been empty for more than a year.

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'It's on the market at £299,000.

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'Although there was a previous offer on it, the chain collapsed

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'so it went back up for sale.'

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What do you think of these types of 1930s properties?

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We don't know much about 1930s properties. I don't know anyone who's lived in one.

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They're quite well proportioned.

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This was the beginning of modern home building. There was a big boom through the '30s.

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You've got garages built into the house for the first time. You've got big hallways.

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The kitchens aren't just the narrow galleys the Victorian kitchens were.

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People were shut away to cook.

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There's a bit more of a sense of living with a garden and having a nice base with a family.

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What do you want to create? What is your home going to look like?

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We would have a kitchen knocked in with a dining room, so you have this big open space.

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We have friends and family around quite a lot.

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It would be nice to not be tucked in the kitchen by yourself.

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How much building work would you be prepared to take on?

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Is it just a case of decorating, or would you knock through, extend?

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To get the space we want, we're expecting we would be knocking walls through, making different spaces.

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Plus it gives you your stamp on the place.

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Would there be one of you that would oversee the build?

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Well, I'm probably going to finish work in six months.

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-So once I finish work, I'll be the one...

-Taking it on.

-Yeah.

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-There has to be a lot of trust there.

-Oh, yeah. That'll be fine. Yeah, I trust her.

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Excellent!

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Well, kitchen-diner, possibly the most important place in the house.

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-Let's go and have a look, shall we?

-OK.

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Right, here we have kitchen-diner. What do you make of the space?

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-Well, it's too small for what we want, isn't it?

-Yeah.

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Maybe knock that wall down and go that way,

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so we've got the full width of the house.

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That'll give us more space.

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-Mm. I think you could go that way, couldn't you?

-Yeah.

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Or even that way. LAUGHTER

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-Spread out!

-Any way you like!

-You can make this into one room.

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I think this is the main back wall of the house,

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so not one you'd take on with a sledgehammer.

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But here you've got the back of the garage. There's a lot of space on that side of the house.

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So, yeah, you could open up quite a bit.

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I don't know how far you've got, but if you took on something like this, where would you live?

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-If things move quickly, we could be living in London while the major work's happening.

-Hopefully.

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Ideal. And if it couldn't happen that quickly?

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-Would you be tempted to live in?

-We'd have to live in the mess.

-Yeah.

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So lots of potential here, whichever way you end up going.

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It could create the diner you're after.

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Let's continue our look around.

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'Upstairs are two double bedrooms... and a family bathroom.

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'But it's in the 50-foot back garden

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'that this property offers John and Jackie room to extend the living space.'

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As we come out, we can see the kitchen kind of juts out

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and you've got room to extend.

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Having looked round, how do you feel about this empty home?

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There's space downstairs to work. I'm not sure about upstairs.

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-Yeah.

-Just two bedrooms.

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I can't see where you could go for the space.

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-What would be your big worries, if you have any at all?

-Cost.

-Yeah.

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-JACKIE LAUGHS

-Basically, yeah.

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-You don't want to start on something that escalates out of control.

-No.

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No. We've got to be sure on that when we take it on.

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-This is a big move for you, isn't it?

-Yeah. It'll probably be our last move.

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-Not planning on going anywhere after this.

-No.

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-Um...

-Got to get it right. Got to pay off the mortgage.

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-Got to spend what you've got left wisely and keep it within budget.

-Yes.

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Later, we're going to see a couple who have made the move you're talking about.

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They've done some renovations. It's a property similar to this.

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So even if you don't end up in a property like this,

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it's going to be really good to see empty to completed, see that jump,

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see that progress and visualise what can be done with it.

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And I think they'll have some good tips, having been through it all,

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-on how you stay in control of the budget.

-That'll be good.

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Great to meet John and Jackie, because they know what they want.

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They're after this large open-plan kitchen-diner,

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but they're also very open minded about taking on an empty property.

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They see the benefits.

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I'm not sure this place is for them, but I'm excited about showing them a completed place.

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It's a great example of just what you can do

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when you transform a place like this.

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'Homes can become unoccupied for many different reasons.

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'With hundreds and thousands left vacant across the country,

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'it's the job of our Empty Property Officers to find out why, and bring them back into use.

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'On the Kent coast, Mike Thompson has spent five years

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'working to get derelict buildings on his patch lived in again.

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'He's on his way to a property that's been on his radar for some time.

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'It's attracted antisocial behaviour

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'and is now a real problem case for Mike.'

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It's a long time since I've been at this property. It's deteriorated a lot since I was last here.

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'With the owner not complying with requests to improve the condition of the house,

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'Mike wants to check on its current state.'

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We've got rotten wood on the sills.

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We've got doors missing. We've got broken windows.

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It is a lot worse than I thought. Rubbish dumped in the front garden.

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As soon as people start seeing that,

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that will increase, there'll be more rubbish dumped here.

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I think the talking's finished. The broken promises, I've had enough of those.

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It's time we got to grips with this.

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The property's just as dilapidated at the back as it is at the front.

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That balcony is hanging off there.

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The timbers are rotted away. That wouldn't carry any weight at all.

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So here we have the remains of an attached garage.

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The chipboard roof has failed, due to being soaked with water.

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There's nothing left of it now.

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All in all, it's one property in one hell of a state.

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Very, very bad indeed.

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But plenty of material for us to serve a notice upon.

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'The next-door neighbour has reported seeing foxes in the garden.'

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You can see how overgrown the garden is.

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Perfect, really, isn't it? I quite believe there's foxes living here.

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It's also good for rats, I would think, as well.

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But I'll need to take issue with the owner on that.

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I've seen enough, really.

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'Mike calls on the owner of the house next door

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'to find out if they can shed light on what's going on with the place.'

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I wonder if you could tell me what you know about next door.

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People have broken in there.

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I believe they have stolen stuff out of there. We have had the police round a couple of times.

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It's not a very nice environment to let the children out, when we've had foxes doing their business,

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-which could be quite dangerous.

-Yes, yes.

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They used to have a lean-to against the side of our property.

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That did completely collapse and we had glass all over our property.

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That's when the children were very young.

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We have to agree with you that that's not good enough.

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They really have to do something about it.

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We've played out the rope to such a length there's no more left.

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-We will now have to serve notice.

-Lovely. Thank you.

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-We'll get there, I'm sure.

-Thank you very much.

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Thank you very much indeed.

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Vacant homes are often riddled with damp, crumbling and covered with cobwebs.

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Sounds like a nightmare to some, but to others,

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challenges that can be overcome in order to create a dream home.

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'When James and Fabien took on this abandoned Victorian schoolhouse in Warwickshire in 2009,

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'they certainly needed vision.

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'Dating back to 1886, the school had stood empty for 12 years

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'and was far from being a comfortable, contemporary home.'

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I wanted to do something properly and sympathetically.

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I wanted to save something,

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so I wanted something that was falling down

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and at the brink of death, ideally.

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The windows were boarded up so it was pitch dark inside.

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-We had to try and view this place with a torch!

-Yeah.

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But it was...just what we were looking for. It ticked all of our boxes. It was in a nice village.

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Yes, I was very seduced by the fact that it was an open space,

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so that we could create the space that we want to live in.

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'Having bought the school for £240,000,

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'they set out on a renovation that would take them just over a year.

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'While Fabien stayed in their current home,

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'James took the bold step of moving into the derelict school and project managing the build.'

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I moved into the outbuilding here, which was the old canteen.

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Yeah, with, basically, camp bed and sleeping bag and a fridge.

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We rigged a shower up over the boys' toilets in the back,

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which meant walking from the outbuilding round in the snow

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to have a shower before I get into a suit and go to work.

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'As the building had never been a dwelling,

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'James and Fabien needed to put in everything to make it a home,

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'including a bathroom and a kitchen.

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'They eventually spent £210,000 on the transformation.'

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It's not compared to other projects where you could move into one room

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and then from that room you expand and do all the other rooms.

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You can't here because you've got all the electricity,

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all the water connections, everything will be done on the day.

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It was a bit more like a barn conversion,

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in that what you're dealing with is an empty shell,

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which is a lot more flexible, rather than buying a Victorian farmhouse, where you've got 20 rooms.

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'By taking on an abandoned building,

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'James and Fabien have created a bespoke home for much less

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'than if they'd bought it already renovated.'

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This place is perfect for our needs.

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We can see ourselves living here for 20 years.

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I thoroughly enjoyed the whole experience.

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'Britain is facing a housing crisis.

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'The National Housing Federation is warning that the chronic lack of affordable homes is creating

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'a steep rise in demand in the private rental sector and long social housing waiting lists.

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'But with 48,000 shops standing empty in the UK,

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'there could be a solution.'

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Large numbers of empty shops on British high streets are, sadly, an all-too-familiar sight.

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But are there alternative ways of breathing new life

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into commercial properties that have been empty for a long time?

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'I've come to Tonbridge in Kent to meet Hazel Dawe,

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'who's campaigning to turn disused shops into affordable homes.'

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So, Hazel, this is Tonbridge High Street.

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Is this a one-off? How many of these empty shops are there?

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We've counted Tonbridge High Street has 17 empty shops.

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Margate in Kent has the highest proportion of empty shops in the country of any high street.

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Margate has 37% empty shops.

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'Right across the country, the demand for new housing

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'is outstripping supply by two to one,

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'so it's clear that something needs to be done.

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'A number of councils are looking at transforming unoccupied shops into homes,

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'which could help reduce their housing waiting lists.

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'In Lewisham in southeast London,

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'the council is working to increase its housing stock in this way.'

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There are some localities where there is an over-supply of shops.

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In those cases, a residential change of use is very appropriate,

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particularly if you can do it in a managed way

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to keep the right number of shops for the community.

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'Nick Long from Lewisham Council housing team believes there's a real need for this type of scheme.'

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We've got well over 16,000 people on the housing register.

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We've got families in temporary accommodation.

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If we can encourage owners to think about developing their shops,

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not only will it sustain their business, it will help give affordable homes for people.

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When we've got empty shops it leads to a general impression of decline.

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What we want to see as a council

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are as many of these empty shops coming back into use.

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'It's not just a case of turning every empty shop into a home.

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'Councils need to consider the make-up of retail areas

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'so that businesses can still thrive

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'while providing accommodation for people on housing waiting lists.'

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I think this is very important. It's a significant source of new homes

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for London and for other areas of the country.

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It is important, though, to make sure that you still have an appropriate stock of local shops.

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They do meet local needs, particularly for elderly people

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or others who don't find accessibility to town centres and further away so easy.

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With an alarming shortage of housing in this area for local people,

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it makes sense to consider using each and every empty property.

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Maybe even empty shops like this one

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could provide much needed affordable housing.

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'Back in Essex, I'm taking John and Jackie to meet a couple

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'who've taken on a disused house and completed an impressive renovation.'

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Right, guys, this is the property. Clearly, it's a bungalow.

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Like the one earlier, it has an upstairs. The loft has been converted.

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I think it had been half converted, then these guys came in and finished it off.

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They fell in love with the area.

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The area was important to them, like it's important to you.

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I think you'll be interested in what they've done to it.

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It will suit some of what you were talking about.

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-So shall we go have a look?

-Looking forward to it.

-Let's say hello.

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'Don and Annette from Shoeburyness

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'bought this once-dilapidated bungalow in 2005.

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'While structurally sound, it was in a terrible state,

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'having laid empty since the previous owner passed away.

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'The inside had not been updated for at least 30 years,

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'but Don and Annette saw the raw potential in the basic shell.'

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Initially, when I took the project on,

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I stood down the bottom of the garden and looked back, and I did think to myself,

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"At my time of life, have I taken on more than I can chew?"

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'Don and Annette bought the bungalow for £230,000,

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'with a budget of just £30,000 to renovate.

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'Luckily for them, their son Darren is a builder,

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'so father and son set about redesigning the layout,

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'creating the spacious home they were after.'

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It was good that the builder is our son!

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And to know that his work is of a...is excellent.

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We've got no faults with what he's done.

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-Hello.

-Hi.

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-Hello, guys. Can we come in?

-Certainly. Please come in.

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It's big! So, what was this place like when you first saw it?

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Well, it was 1950s dated wallpaper, carpets, fittings.

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Filthy dirty, alive with spiders, dust everywhere,

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smashed glass in the porchway.

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Exactly what the estate agent said - "a real pig's ear".

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Clearly, it's now very homely, lots of light coming in.

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-Did you know you wanted this open-plan round the back of the house?

-Yes, definitely.

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Because, as you say, it's light and airy.

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I didn't want dark rooms. Sometimes, with bungalows, that's what you get.

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JACKIE: We're hoping to achieve something similar.

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Big open kitchen-dining living space.

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Did you get involved? How much did you do yourselves?

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I did the second fixings - the doors, skirting boards, architrave.

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Depending how soon you guys find a property,

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you may or may not have the luxury of living in the place you are now.

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-That's right.

-Where did you live? Did you live here?

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No. The first six weeks, we lived with our daughter,

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who lived in Thorpe Bay, at the time.

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-And it worked out really well.

-How important was it for you

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to be on site and to make decisions as they came up?

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Sometimes, you think you want something doing.

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Then when they start to do it, you think, "That's not going to work."

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-It's not just a question of trust, is it?

-No.

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-They might be trustworthy, but it's misinterpretation of ideas.

-Exactly.

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'Don and Annette extended to the rear of their bungalow

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'to create an open-plan kitchen living space that John and Jackie want in their next home.'

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The first thing you notice is it's not fully open-plan.

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-I suppose you've compromised here.

-Yes.

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Well, I didn't want to be in the kitchen on my own

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when everyone's sitting in there enjoying themselves.

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Is it cosy enough in the winter?

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We were thinking, if we had a big open space, we might want a smaller place to retreat to in the winter.

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-Or do you find it's...

-I don't find it a problem being open plan.

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Mainly because, with the fire,

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it can get quite hot in here, especially cooking.

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Put it in perspective, then. How much did this all cost?

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I budgeted, originally, about £30,00.

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I probably ended up spending about £40,000 with the extension

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and the renovation. I think that's what we thought.

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Thank you so much for letting us look round your house.

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-You're welcome.

-It's been a pleasure.

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-I'm pleased it's worked out so well and you're so happy with it.

-Yes.

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-Thanks very much.

-OK. Good luck!

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'In Thanet, Kent, Empty Property Officer Mike Thompson

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'is returning to a building he's been trying to get back into use for almost two years.'

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I'm off to Cliftonville, to the former Embassy Hotel.

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The owner retired and the building became available, so the council have bought it.

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The aim is to turn it back into two houses, which is how it started life.

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'This former hotel has been the subject of antisocial behaviour.

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'It's a particularly testing case for Mike.'

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I came here yesterday, just to do an inspection

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prior to meeting Cheryl the planner here today.

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As I got out of the car, the smell of gas hit you!

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It was absolutely incredible. How the whole street hadn't gone up, I don't know.

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It was a case of rushing round, getting emergency services in.

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We had the gas capped off and had to ventilate the entire property.

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If anybody had struck a match in this street, I shudder to think.

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Yet another implication of leaving a property unattended for a long time.

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'Meeting Mike at the property today is Cheryl Macer

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'from the planning department,

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'here to discuss the plans for redevelopment of the hotel.'

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-Hello, Cheryl.

-Hi, Mike.

-Glad you're here.

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-Got some dramas to tell you about. Come through.

-OK.

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It's a bit of a mess, isn't it, really?

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Something that obviously needs to be sorted out pretty quickly, I'd say.

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'Mike wants to check the schedule of works for converting the hotel back into two family homes.'

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I did have some concerns in the first place.

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You were proposing a large dormer window, which I thought might cause overlooking.

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But the plans have been amended.

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It involves the loss of a large extension,

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which is a bit of an eyesore, really,

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and does cause a sense of enclosure to neighbouring properties.

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It restores the back and creates a single-storey extension,

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which looks really quite good.

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The creation of two family houses and the loss of lots of bedsits

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is brilliant for the area, as well.

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How soon do you think we can have a recommendation?

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Because I'm really happy with the scheme,

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my recommendation is going to be a positive one.

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It should go to planning committee in three weeks.

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-It's a planning gain, isn't it?

-Absolutely.

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Two new houses of good quality, good back gardens, is what we need in this area.

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'At the rear of the building is a large extension

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'which will be demolished, allowing the creation of gardens for the new homes.'

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A bit of an eyesore, to say the least.

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'Cheryl was very positive about planning consent being forthcoming.'

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Within three months, we'll have contractors in here

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turning this into two beautiful family houses with gardens.

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'This is one case which should have a successful outcome for Mike and the housing team.

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'Back in Thorpe Bay, Jackie and John have been getting a valuable insight

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'from a couple who've tackled the renovation of an empty house.'

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Has seeing the empty property, then seeing this,

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-helped you visualise what can be done with empty homes?

-Definitely.

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Downstairs, especially, is the sort of thing we were after.

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The space, and not losing too much space in the garden, like they haven't.

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It's good. It's great.

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Money. Budget. That was the big worry before we came here.

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Has this helped you get a handle on what things cost?

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It's helped, talking to Don,

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realising hidden costs as well.

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You've got to make sure you've got everything covered.

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It is within our budget, what he's done there. It's the sort of things we wanted done.

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Some practical advice about when to move in and how to manage that.

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Yeah, I think that is a hard one to juggle.

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The advice we've been given is if you can, leave it empty

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for six to eight weeks for those major things to happen.

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At the same time, it was "never be far away" because major decisions need to be made on a daily basis.

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You'd have to think about that one really carefully.

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Give them space to get on cos it'd be quicker.

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-But you can't be far away.

-Loads of ideas there.

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I'm pleased that you're still after an empty property.

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-I think you'd do a great job and make it your own.

-Hopefully.

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-Best of luck with the property hunt.

-Thank you.

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Don and Jackie have their heart set on moving to be closer to the family.

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They want to create a social space where they can have friends and family over.

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I think that's brilliant, when you consider it could be transformed

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from a sad, neglected, empty home.

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I am sure they'll make a great job of it and I wish them all the best.

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