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Hello. Welcome to Gardeners' World.

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for really well made gardening tools and implements.

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At this time of year, of course, there's an awful lot of pruning

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going on so it's a chance, maybe this is a boy thing, I don't know,

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a chance to really relish good shears and secateurs

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If it's sharp, it will do the job so much better.

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If you look under a magnifying glass at a leaf or a stem

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that has been cut by a blunt tool of any kind,

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and that is much more liable to be infected

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and to let fungal spores in and also going to be much slower to heal,

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whereas a really clean cut will form a scar quickly

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and will heal, and the plant will recover.

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and, I have to be honest, I like the ritual of it.

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but however much you enjoy looking after your garden tools,

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and I do, a lot - it gives a lot of pleasure,

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it's a means to the end, not the end itself,

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which is, of course, all the pruning and shaping and the cutting

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On tonight's programme, Carol visits gardens

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created by not one but two of her gardening heroes,

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father and son Alan and Adrian Bloom.

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Flo Headlam and Joe Swift return to Wiltshire

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to see how the community garden there is developing...

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..and the renowned plantswoman Helen Dillon

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I love this wonderful square you have,

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because then you have this wonderful wilderness around the side. Exactly.

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Sorry to refer to it as wilderness. I think it's beautiful.

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One of the rituals of the gardening year

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You cut them back and you cut them to an outward facing bud

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and you cut them at an angle, and then they will flower.

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because that really stems from the growing of hybrid teas,

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and their dominance in the late 19th and early 20th century -

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you can cut them any time, and you certainly can prune them back now -

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and if you've got shrub roses like I have,

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they grow like mad and they are literally blocking the way.

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So now, in September, is a good time to trim them back,

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and the way you do it is very simple because you just use shears.

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Forget about outward facing buds and slanting cuts

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in June and early July, but it's not going to flower again,

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so I just need to trim it back at this stage -

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If you're not sure whether your rose is a shrub one or not...

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The first one is that it looks like a shrub.

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It makes a shrubby shape with lots of new growth.

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The second is it tends, not always, to flower once,

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whereas hybrid teas will go on flowering all summer -

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and there are some modern shrub roses that will too,

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but by and large they tend to flower once or maybe twice.

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They can take an awful lot of hard treatment

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..and that applies to treatment that nature might give them, too,

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because this year has been a bad one for black spot

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as well as covering the leaves with this chocolaty brown stain

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that can spread, it can totally defoliate a plant.

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but it certainly won't kill the plant.

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The worst thing is it looks unsightly.

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It's a fungal problem, and there's not a lot you can do about it

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particularly slightly later on in the summer,

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then I'm afraid black spot is almost inevitable...

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..but what it does mean is that I will burn these trimmings

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just so we don't spread it any more than we have to.

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Right, I'm beginning to be able to see in here.

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That has done no harm at all to the rose,

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and for the first time for weeks has let me go down this path

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and has given me access to the border -

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and this is all part of a plan to add a little bit to the border.

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Borders like these, it doesn't matter what I'm growing in them,

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are symmetrical, they're formal, they're edged with box,

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they are of a particular style of gardening

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and one which has pretty much predominated

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and he and his father were responsible

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for a brand-new style of gardening that was incredibly influential.

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The plantswomen and men and garden designers

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who've shaped the way we garden and, in many cases, changed the way

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we think about our gardens are few and far between -

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but today we've got two for the price of one.

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Bressingham Gardens was the home of Alan Bloom until he died in 2005.

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His son Adrian started his own garden, Foggy Bottom,

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that makes them titans of the gardening world.

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Together, they have introduced more than 170 different plants

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and developed a form of garden design

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which we might never have used without them.

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Gardening is in the Bloom family's blood.

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Alan's father always took a keen interest in plants

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and when Alan was 20, he helped him start his first nursery

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In 1946, Alan bought Bressingham Hall and its six acres.

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This was where his new ideas began to take shape.

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Until the advent of Alan's ground-breaking ideas,

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in a very staid and static kind of way.

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There were grand herbaceous borders at all the British stately homes.

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Tall plants at the back, short ones at the front...

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but Alan could see something marvellous about these plants

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and think of wonderful ways to use them

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and want to introduce all sorts of marvellous new plants.

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..but as well as sharing his excitement

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he also wanted to share an idea about how to grow them.

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instead of a static affair that you walked along

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With these, not only were the plants happy

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because they had light, air and sunshine,

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and they were designed for all seasons,

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right the way through from spring to late summer and autumn,

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and around every curb there was a new surprise.

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It was a novel idea that gripped the British gardener.

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Perennial island beds became the new vogue

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and they started popping up in gardens and parks

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putting Alan and Bressingham Nursery

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firmly on the gardening map of Britain.

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Alan's son Adrian remembers his father's all-consuming passion

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I mean, he was very, very innovative really, wasn't he?

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He was a true pioneer. Well, I think he was.

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Of course, the islands in front of the beds

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were just the first ones he did, so he was then determined

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to carry on and do all the rest of them, ending up with 48 islands

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and 4,500 different varieties of plant,

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so he was really determined and passionate about plants.

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I think that's what really comes across, isn't it?

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That passion for plants and wanting to share that with people. Exactly.

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As a young man, Adrian travelled widely.

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Then one day he got the call from his father

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to come back and join the family business.

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So you didn't just want to follow in your father's footsteps?

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and he was obviously an expert in the perennials

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and I obviously had to fight my corner

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and try and add something else to the business.

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Adrian developed a fascination for conifers

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Very soon they were to make their way into gardens

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I mean, this bed is a collection of conifers, really, isn't it?

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I've got various things in here that are waiting their turn

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One or two are more established, like this pine here.

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That's beautiful. Yes, it is nice, isn't it?

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Gradually, with many of these pines, I've pruned away the lower branches,

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lift it up, so you've got almost a canopy,

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but then you can plant underneath, you can get views through,

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But the wonderful thing is not just extolling their virtues

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but also the way in which you use them with other plants.

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They have year-round interest and colour,

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particularly important in winter time.

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I want to see a few of these examples.

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I love these little rivulets of festuca

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that you've got here and there. Actually, festuca works very well.

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Maybe not for many years but at the front of the border

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and it blends and mixes in and it looks a really good contrast.

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But despite all the interest in here,

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it's these conifers that really draw your eye into here.

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They're almost like statues, aren't they? Yes, they are.

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They're narrow, green, upright forms that are there winter and summer.

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They form an architectural continuity, if you like,

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if you want to use some highfalutin stuff here -

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but the plants can weave in and out of them.

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It's a mix of plants that really give me -

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and give what I think many gardeners would like -

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more pleasure through the seasons. Yes. Hear, hear.

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The Blooms have influenced our gardening in the past,

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in the present, and with so many members of the family

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involved in horticulture, they will continue to do so into the future.

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Without the Blooms and all they've given us,

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our gardens would be much poorer places.

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Well, my Irish yews here in the Cottage Garden are conifers.

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When I planted them about 22 or 23 years ago,

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they were about two to three foot tall.

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They've grown hugely over the years -

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this is Foggy Bottom's 50th anniversary

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and they are having a big celebration this weekend

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and you can get all the details for that on our website.

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and I can fill it with one of my favourite

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and very old-fashioned herbaceous perennials, and that's a phlox.

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I've got a couple here that are going to add shades of blue

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You can see they're not large versions, but they will bulk out.

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And it's Phlox paniculata, and you'll find that Phlox paniculata

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has, I think, all the best varieties -

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They are plants that as long as they get enough moisture

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If you've got very sandy soil, you need to add lots of compost,

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but if you got clay like I have, they're at home.

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So I'm going to plant a little group of three in the front here

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and then I've got a larger phlox, and this one is called Prospero.

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You can see it's got quite a delicate lavender colour -

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and remember, here in the Cottage Garden nothing is disallowed

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but there is a tendency, an inclination,

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Remember, these beds were vegetable beds for nearly 20 years.

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They are rich, they hold the moisture

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They won't mind anything that a British winter can throw at them.

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Buy some now, get them in between now and October,

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and you will have a really good display

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Now, remember, with phlox, the key thing is that they don't dry out.

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That doesn't mean to say that they like boggy conditions

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but it does mean that they like a regular supply of water.

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Phlox are never going to be the main stars in a border.

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There's a kind of very attractive modesty about them -

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but they are really good, reliable plants.

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They're not ephemeral, they don't get bashed,

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they hardly need staking or supporting,

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and they give colour at a time of year

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when all around them colour is falling away.

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So I certainly shall be looking to add more to this garden

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and I treasure the ones that I have -

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but they're not really likely to attract the kind of fanaticism

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that for some reason some plants seem to do...

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who are drawn to the point of obsession

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For this week's visit, she's headed up to Scotland.

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Most of us love gardening and we all have our favourite plants.

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They might be perennials or trees or evergreens,

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but for some of us, it might even be a humble vegetable.

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John Marshall is a Scottish gardener who has built his career

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on a plant that most of us eat almost every day.

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Empires have been built on it, armies have marched on it

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and nations have been brought to their knees by it.

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So we all know this is the potato and it's these, the stem tubers,

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that is the bit we eat. Yes, they're underground stems.

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They'll grow under the ground, and they'll suddenly start swelling,

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and over a period of time we get what we know as a tuber or potato.

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And they're from a huge family, the Solanaceae family,

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which stretches from a very poisonous Deadly Nightshade

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And how did this become such a staple part of the British diet,

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because it's not a native plant, is it? That's right.

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400 or 500 years ago it wasn't heard of -

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it wasn't even mentioned in the Bible -

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but the Europeans went looking for gold and silver

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that Sir Walter Raleigh brought them from Virginia,

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but that's largely been discredited by today's scientists. Really?

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They think they came in through the Canary Islands

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and spread out across Europe and came to Britain.

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And quickly they've become something we can't live without. That's right.

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These are the early potatoes, Sharpe's Express.

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They are an old variety bred in Lincoln

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and, actually, is a favourite in the Western Isles,

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and the salt spray from the Atlantic rollers and seaweed.

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That's what I think of when I'm eating them.

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If the growing conditions are right, you could get a crop within 60 days.

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And how long would a main crop take? The main crop might take 180 days.

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Growing potatoes has taken you all over the world, hasn't it?

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Some countries you wouldn't expect, like Saudi Arabia, a huge desert.

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The temperatures are really high, 45 degrees,

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They're using the pivot irrigation, bringing the water up

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and the pivot takes about a day to go around

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it would probably kill the crop because of the high temperatures.

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because they're such an important crop?

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The potato is probably the fourth most important crop in the world.

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We've got wheat, rice, maize and then potatoes.

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So what would be the ideal conditions to grow potatoes?

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You want to take a look at your garden and think about a rotation

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and planting your potatoes in sequence after other crops.

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So you'd never plant two potatoes year-on-year

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The next most important decision to make

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is to go to a garden centre and buy classified seed -

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seed that's passed the government health standards -

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and then earthing up is very important

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because you want to prevent greening.

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We've got this potato here, you can see there's green.

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If it's poking above the drill, it'll go green.

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My understanding is root vegetables need high phosphates...

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This is a stem, technically, so nitrogen or phosphates?

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You are quite correct. Phosphate. High phosphate. OK.

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So, although technically it's a stem,

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One question people always ask about growing potatoes is chitting them.

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Do you find the same thing? Yes, always.

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and it means you've got more flexibility with planting.

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You want to plant when the soil temperatures are 10 degrees

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and you've got a nice firm chit like that,

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Now, that's very important if blight's in the area. Yeah.

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Because your crop might be decimated.

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You've got ten days worth of growth in that potato.

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Plenty of light, so a greenhouse or porch is ideal -

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because that could spoil your chances of having a good crop.

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And if you didn't put that in the light, what would happen?

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If they don't get enough light, you could end up with this.

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All too often, people take their potatoes home

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and, as you can see, the tuber is completely shrivelled.

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I've often had things like this in the cupboard

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so if you don't eat your potatoes quickly enough,

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could you plant that if you bought it from a supermarket?

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You don't know where that potato was grown,

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you don't know the disease content, it's not classified seed.

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And I can see that when you do grow them correctly,

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you can have a huge range and the colours of these are incredible.

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Is that something that you're very passionate about? Yes.

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That's almost unnatural looking, isn't it?

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So would this taste different from a white potato?

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Every potato tastes slightly different

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but they don't taste purple, or they don't taste red.

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I'd love to try one. Would that be all right?

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Yes, you're certainly welcome. Fantastic.

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Well, I've never tasted one of these so I'm going to taste it now

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but I'm going to close my eyes and see if I can tell the difference.

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You hand it to me. Don't tell me which one it is. I won't.

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That tastes really nice. OK, next one.

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What do you think? Is that the purple one?

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I think that has a really amazing flavour, the white one, doesn't it?

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Really nice. Which one's that? That is Arran Pilot.

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That is so nice. Is that your favourite? Yes, it is.

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You just can't buy it now. It's the gardener's favourite.

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Arran Pilot, I'll be growing that one. That's amazing.

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Thank you so much for showing me these. It's been brilliant.

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It's a shame we don't grow a wide enough range of varieties, really,

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because there are so many delicious potatoes.

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I think one of the secrets of happiness as a gardener

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is to find your favourite potato variety

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and then grow it every year with relish.

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which is such a good all-round potato.

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I have not got any Charlotte left in the ground

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but I have got a few first earlies called Orla in this bed.

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Now, as a rule with first earlies, you dig them as you go,

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but I want to harvest these as one lot now

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because it's important that I use the bed at this time of year

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so something can get growing and established before winter -

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By the way, this dieback is not due to blight.

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This is just the tops naturally dying down.

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so these were ready at least a month if not six weeks ago.

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as anybody who's ever grown them knows,

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is to try and not spear them as you go.

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..and normally I reckon to harvest my first potatoes

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and there's a kind of family tradition

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that we celebrate my birthday with the first new potatoes of the year

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This has not been a good year for potato blight.

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The blight is dependent upon very high humidity and high temperatures

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at the same time, and we've had that this August.

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If you've got it, you'll know it, because the first indications

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are a kind of brown stain, usually in amongst the foliage.

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Very quickly that becomes grey and black

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and the leaves rot and collapse in on themselves

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and the stain spreads until all of them are affected -

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and that will happen in a day, two days.

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It's not, though, a total disaster for your spuds.

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The thing to do is to remove all that blighted foliage,

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and if you can't burn it, bag it up to be taken away

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and then leave the potatoes in the ground.

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That gives a chance for the spores to die off on the surface.

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There are some with holes like that in.

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So, as soon as they're big enough to eat, or they stop growing,

:26:41.:26:46.

they can only get worse, because slugs will find them and eat them,

:26:47.:26:50.

so get them out of the ground and store them.

:26:51.:26:52.

The best way to store them is to dry them.

:26:53.:26:54.

If it was a really lovely day, what I would do is spread them out

:26:55.:26:58.

over the soil and leave them on the ground

:26:59.:27:00.

and that will dry them up and then take them indoors.

:27:01.:27:06.

There's just a hint there might be rain around

:27:07.:27:09.

so what I'll do is keep these in the basket,

:27:10.:27:11.

and this wild basket is good because there's air,

:27:12.:27:14.

and then when they're as dry as I think they're going to get,

:27:15.:27:17.

Potatoes should be stored somewhere cool and dark but frost-free,

:27:18.:27:27.

We go to quite a lot of trouble to store flower tubers and bulbs

:27:28.:27:50.

but we do sometimes lose labels or even get them mixed up,

:27:51.:27:56.

and that's happened here in the Cottage Garden,

:27:57.:27:58.

because these brilliant burgundy-coloured gladioli

:27:59.:28:03.

and we've got a pale lavender gladioli

:28:04.:28:08.

The labels got lost and these corms that looked identical

:28:09.:28:13.

went into the wrong part of the garden,

:28:14.:28:16.

so I must make sure that I label them this time

:28:17.:28:18.

so when they get dug up in a month or so,

:28:19.:28:21.

they can be stored and get in the right place next year.

:28:22.:28:25.

which is not the normal delphinium colour,

:28:26.:28:30.

and it's a good example how that when delphiniums of all colours

:28:31.:28:41.

have finished flowering in June or early July,

:28:42.:28:44.

they will regrow and, as often as not,

:28:45.:28:52.

flower just as well the second time around, well into September.

:28:53.:28:57.

Now, coming up on tonight's programme,

:28:58.:29:00.

the celebrated plantswoman Helen Dillon joins me here at Longmeadow.

:29:01.:29:05.

I think that's the story of what gardening is.

:29:06.:29:08.

The more you develop, the more you have to control what you've done.

:29:09.:29:13.

Adam Frost shares some design ideas for creating an exotic garden...

:29:14.:29:20.

..but first, Flo and Joe go back to Potterne in Wiltshire

:29:21.:29:25.

to make their final visit to the community garden

:29:26.:29:29.

that has been developing there over the summer

:29:30.:29:31.

Potterne's a wonderful rural village with one thing missing -

:29:32.:29:39.

somewhere for neighbours just to meet up

:29:40.:29:41.

Hidden up this narrow lane is a large green space

:29:42.:29:49.

so, frankly, no-one wanted to spend any time there.

:29:50.:29:57.

A few had made efforts to make something of the garden,

:29:58.:30:00.

but they just didn't get the support they needed.

:30:01.:30:03.

But local youth worker Steve Dewar wanted to give it another big push.

:30:04.:30:07.

So, to help celebrate our 50th anniversary

:30:08.:30:11.

and regional news programme BBC Points West's 60th anniversary,

:30:12.:30:15.

Flo and I came along to share our knowledge

:30:16.:30:17.

..but has Steve managed to capitalise on this burst of energy?

:30:18.:30:30.

Wow. This is really exciting. Oh, my gosh, it's changed so much.

:30:31.:30:34.

We've put more plants in, we've raised some of this space here.

:30:35.:30:38.

This is the mound, isn't it? It's a mound.

:30:39.:30:40.

You've mounded it all because of all the excavations, I guess.

:30:41.:30:43.

It's like a snake coming around the curve. The Potterne snake! Yeah -

:30:44.:30:46.

They've been filling the raised beds with winter veg

:30:47.:30:51.

and started planting an area for quiet contemplation -

:30:52.:30:55.

and the beds that were filled with wildlife attracting flowers

:30:56.:30:58.

have been extended with plants donated by neighbours.

:30:59.:31:02.

And then you just come in and you're really in the heart of the garden

:31:03.:31:05.

So when I was here last time we were talking about the decking.

:31:06.:31:12.

So we've got the decking in now, and this little rockery and stream.

:31:13.:31:16.

So we've got a slate stream just running through under the decking

:31:17.:31:21.

and we're going to build up the plants around that

:31:22.:31:23.

so, actually, you can walk in amongst the growth.

:31:24.:31:26.

Putting in some more rocks there and a slate path.

:31:27.:31:28.

Hang on, that wasn't on the drawing, that bit! No, we adapted it.

:31:29.:31:31.

You've started interpreting the whole thing!

:31:32.:31:34.

I love it. I feel like a proud teacher...

:31:35.:31:39.

..and despite the ongoing downpour, volunteers have dropped in

:31:40.:31:43.

to plant up the snake mound with more wild flowers

:31:44.:31:45.

and sow native seeds to create a meadow effect...

:31:46.:31:49.

They just need one important thing - some more seating.

:31:50.:31:57.

Their award-winning design at Gardeners' World Live

:31:58.:32:02.

showed off their talents for turning recycled materials into furniture.

:32:03.:32:06.

I thought they could inspire this community to do the same.

:32:07.:32:11.

is good for community gardens, in particular?

:32:12.:32:15.

I think it's about bringing everyone together.

:32:16.:32:18.

I think lots of people can bring different materials

:32:19.:32:20.

that they maybe have lying around the house

:32:21.:32:22.

that they hadn't thought could be used in a garden before,

:32:23.:32:25.

and they can bring them down and everyone can join in.

:32:26.:32:27.

and lots of different people with different skill sets,

:32:28.:32:32.

you may not know how to do the whole bench but you may know how to do

:32:33.:32:35.

a bit and someone else can come and show you how to do another bit -

:32:36.:32:37.

and everyone gets that bit more knowledge.

:32:38.:32:39.

You've got one pretty much ready to go, it looks.

:32:40.:32:43.

Yes, so this one is an example that has already been done.

:32:44.:32:46.

So, this is just using scaffold boards.

:32:47.:32:50.

We went to the local scaffold company for them. These were free.

:32:51.:32:53.

Sometimes you might have to pay a few pounds for them.

:32:54.:32:56.

Once it's sanded down it's perfect for a bench.

:32:57.:33:02.

As Steve helps finish off a bench made out of old boards,

:33:03.:33:06.

Flo's catching up with local headteacher Mel and mum Lorraine

:33:07.:33:10.

who are already seeing the rewards of the garden.

:33:11.:33:15.

So have you seen changes in the children that have been coming here?

:33:16.:33:18.

It's not a great day today, but there's more children up here.

:33:19.:33:23.

There's a real cross generation of elderly, young...

:33:24.:33:27.

young, and we're all getting in there together.

:33:28.:33:31.

It feels more of like a hub, I think, now. Yes.

:33:32.:33:34.

Jake has been over here every single day at eight o'clock,

:33:35.:33:37.

with a spade at the gate, waiting to go.

:33:38.:33:39.

He absolutely loves it in here. So, it's good -

:33:40.:33:41.

and, of course, they'll bring their friends, won't they?

:33:42.:33:44.

So, it's sort of a place for the children to meet,

:33:45.:33:46.

be with their friends and get involved.

:33:47.:33:51.

For me, one of the best things is seeing how different groups

:33:52.:33:53.

are taking ownership of different parts of the garden,

:33:54.:33:57.

including Roz and Keith from the local gardening club

:33:58.:34:00.

who have been designing some planting schemes.

:34:01.:34:02.

The idea being, when the leaves are dying down the green is coming up

:34:03.:34:06.

and then someone can just come with some shears later in the year

:34:07.:34:09.

and cut it all down and we'll get a second flush,

:34:10.:34:12.

rather than having things that have got to be dealt with separately.

:34:13.:34:14.

What are you hoping this community garden brings to the local area?

:34:15.:34:19.

I think it will strengthen the community.

:34:20.:34:22.

Because I think there's nothing quite like knowing people

:34:23.:34:25.

and getting to know people in the village.

:34:26.:34:28.

Whereas, you know, if this wasn't here, I think it would be harder.

:34:29.:34:35.

Mid-afternoon and the upcycle seating is being positioned.

:34:36.:34:38.

Perfect time for a well-deserved cup of tea and cake

:34:39.:34:45.

to celebrate the end of the first phase.

:34:46.:34:50.

From me personally, thank you so much.

:34:51.:34:53.

My heart and my vision and my hope is that this place is used by anyone

:34:54.:34:58.

and everyone in the community and the surrounding areas, as well.

:34:59.:35:02.

I actually do get quite emotional looking at the garden

:35:03.:35:10.

and just seeing people around, because I know it's not always easy.

:35:11.:35:14.

It's not always easy to bring lots of different people together,

:35:15.:35:18.

but it just warms my heart when I see everybody digging in,

:35:19.:35:22.

everybody getting involved and everybody with that sense of purpose

:35:23.:35:27.

"because this is where I live and this is what I want to do,"

:35:28.:35:34.

and, actually, this brings joy to my heart.

:35:35.:35:40.

It's not exactly as I imagined it at all. It's better.

:35:41.:35:43.

It feels just waiting to be inhabited by the local community -

:35:44.:35:47.

There are many more projects to do here,

:35:48.:35:52.

and this garden's got a great future ahead of it, I have no doubt.

:35:53.:36:18.

The great thing about any community garden is that it invents itself.

:36:19.:36:23.

There's no prototype, there's no right way, there's no wrong way.

:36:24.:36:27.

There's what any particular community wants to work for itself

:36:28.:36:32.

I hope that goes on to work and give pleasure for years to come.

:36:33.:36:42.

Now, these sweet peas were grown very specifically

:36:43.:36:45.

for my son's wedding, which was the end of July,

:36:46.:36:48.

and the idea being is they would reach

:36:49.:36:51.

but that doesn't mean to say that they can't go on flowering.

:36:52.:36:57.

and I see no reason why we shouldn't let them flower

:36:58.:37:04.

You will notice the stems are very much shorter,

:37:05.:37:09.

and they're much quicker to form pea pods.

:37:10.:37:16.

Once they form seeds, that severely restricts flower production.

:37:17.:37:21.

Pick any you have and keep them well watered.

:37:22.:37:30.

It's strange to think, of this quintessentially English flower,

:37:31.:37:35.

that in the 1670s and 1680s this was an exotic

:37:36.:37:39.

introduced as a wonderful and strange plant from Sicily -

:37:40.:37:46.

but I guess most plants when they're introduced seem unusual

:37:47.:37:50.

and most get absorbed into our gardens.

:37:51.:37:52.

However, some retain that sense of the strange and the exotic

:37:53.:37:58.

and spread that magic, whichever garden they are planted in.=,

:37:59.:38:02.

and Adam Frost has been to see one garden

:38:03.:38:06.

gives little clue to what lies beyond.

:38:07.:38:17.

Behind the door is a tropical paradise

:38:18.:38:20.

filled with lush exotic plants that bombard the senses.

:38:21.:38:27.

I'm hit by this wall of plant and its real height,

:38:28.:38:31.

which gives me a sort of room-like feel,

:38:32.:38:34.

and then the path starts to draw me up the garden.

:38:35.:38:39.

Then the planting comes together and creates this -

:38:40.:38:42.

and there's a focal point that I can see, which is a cauldron...

:38:43.:38:50.

and everything's got room to breathe again,

:38:51.:38:55.

and the sound of water, so I slow down,

:38:56.:38:58.

and there is a beautiful little pool that's tucked away...

:38:59.:39:02.

..that runs across the garden and disappears,

:39:03.:39:05.

The two lawns are bridged by just a simple piece of stone.

:39:06.:39:11.

and a lot of gardens, you more or less know where to go,

:39:12.:39:15.

Do I go one way or do I go the other?

:39:16.:39:19.

Lovely little detail, here, is just a simple stone

:39:20.:39:22.

and a change of level which then starts to lead me into another area.

:39:23.:39:28.

that I suppose just says sit down and enjoy,

:39:29.:39:33.

that was going across the garden drops into this beautiful pool,

:39:34.:39:39.

and you remember that water is a fantastic reflective surface

:39:40.:39:43.

and I can sit here and enjoy the big shaped bold leaves just reflecting,

:39:44.:39:47.

with the dahlias even being picked up in there.

:39:48.:39:53.

It's the work of owner Steve Moody, and you would not believe

:39:54.:39:57.

that it's the first serious garden he has ever created.

:39:58.:40:02.

Steve, this really is a beautiful garden,

:40:03.:40:04.

but how long ago did you actually start?

:40:05.:40:06.

We moved in and there was literally nothing here.

:40:07.:40:11.

So I started by clearing it down completely and started from scratch.

:40:12.:40:17.

For me, it actually feels like we could be in the tropics -

:40:18.:40:20.

but give me an idea where that first piece of inspiration came from.

:40:21.:40:24.

That was probably from Christopher Lloyd's garden in Great Dixter,

:40:25.:40:27.

and from there, when I could see what you could grow,

:40:28.:40:30.

and the heights of things, that's where it all stems from, really.

:40:31.:40:33.

He more or less gave people permission to break the rules.

:40:34.:40:35.

Give me an idea of how you first went about setting the garden out.

:40:36.:40:40.

I drew it on paper first, but laid it all out,

:40:41.:40:43.

and I'd look from the upstairs window down at the garden

:40:44.:40:47.

and just tweak it slightly until I got the effect I wanted.

:40:48.:40:50.

So you literally laid the stone out in a shape,

:40:51.:40:53.

ran back upstairs and then ran back down and adjust a little bit.

:40:54.:40:56.

I'd move a stone an inch if I had to,

:40:57.:41:00.

It amazes me, really, because you're an amateur,

:41:01.:41:06.

but some of these planting combinations

:41:07.:41:08.

How did you first sort of start putting plants together?

:41:09.:41:12.

To keep your eye moving through the garden

:41:13.:41:15.

I try and keep the same colours, not necessarily the same shaped flowers.

:41:16.:41:19.

So you might have lots of reds going through and also leaf shape,

:41:20.:41:22.

getting big leaves with small leaves just so the bigger leaves stand out.

:41:23.:41:26.

If we had all big leaves, the big leaves wouldn't look as good.

:41:27.:41:29.

Do you know what, mate? I think the garden is not only peaceful,

:41:30.:41:32.

but, actually, it's exotic, it's exciting,

:41:33.:41:34.

it nails so many different atmospheres.

:41:35.:41:36.

What Steve's achieved as an amateur gardener is incredible.

:41:37.:41:44.

I think it's a subject that people find probably quite scary at times

:41:45.:41:56.

and even complicated - and you look at this garden

:41:57.:41:58.

and you just think, "Wow, I could not do that."

:41:59.:42:01.

When you really think about it, all it is is a series of layers,

:42:02.:42:04.

and all of a sudden people think about it as an English woodland.

:42:05.:42:07.

I know that sounds a little bit bizarre stood in the tropics,

:42:08.:42:11.

but if you think about an English woodland, and the layers,

:42:12.:42:14.

you've got that first upper storey, your big trees.

:42:15.:42:17.

That's the first level. After that, the saplings push up -

:42:18.:42:21.

that maybe could be the mid and small trees in your garden -

:42:22.:42:24.

and then, after that, you've got your bracken going through,

:42:25.:42:27.

and, for me, that's my herbaceous layer.

:42:28.:42:29.

Then you look at the snowdrops, the bluebells.

:42:30.:42:31.

That's exactly what Steve has actually done here,

:42:32.:42:37.

apart from he's used tropical-based plants.

:42:38.:42:39.

He's used his palms and even catalpa at the end, there,

:42:40.:42:42.

and they work their way all the way through the space

:42:43.:42:45.

After that, the next layer he's used bananas, he's used phormiums,

:42:46.:42:51.

and they start to work shrubs, and they bounce through, as well,

:42:52.:42:55.

and then we've got things like dahlias and crocosmia

:42:56.:42:59.

and the herbaceous plants that give those little pockets of colour

:43:00.:43:02.

Then you come down to the real detail,

:43:03.:43:06.

and, here, Steve's used some little begonias and nasturtiums

:43:07.:43:10.

and they're the things that just sort of catch your eye

:43:11.:43:15.

So, I suppose, really, in design - and especially planting design -

:43:16.:43:20.

Ultimately, it's about building up those layers,

:43:21.:43:24.

and you can do that over quite a long period of time.

:43:25.:43:27.

and then slowly build your garden up.

:43:28.:43:31.

That's how you end up with those sorts of spaces

:43:32.:43:34.

It may seem a little daunting to try and emulate this at home,

:43:35.:43:40.

you really can take inspiration from this garden

:43:41.:43:45.

Another thing I like is Steve's use of focal points.

:43:46.:43:51.

He's used small water features and bird baths

:43:52.:43:54.

and even little sculptures that sort of pull you from space to space.

:43:55.:43:58.

he's used wonderfully this structure.

:43:59.:44:05.

Cheap and cheerful, just wooden posts -

:44:06.:44:08.

but it helps create a real sort of intimate space.

:44:09.:44:12.

I really can see why this is calm. It's peaceful.

:44:13.:44:15.

He's used green. He's used leaf shape. He's used texture.

:44:16.:44:21.

It's a lovely space to spend 10 minutes.

:44:22.:44:28.

All in all, I think he really has created

:44:29.:44:30.

The key thing with any garden is to find the thing that inspires

:44:31.:44:48.

and in the end that's all that matters.

:44:49.:44:56.

As I say that, I realise that's not entirely true,

:44:57.:44:59.

because you always want other people to like your garden -

:45:00.:45:03.

and I've spent the last few days really rather anxiously going round

:45:04.:45:08.

fine-tuning and pruning and titivating the garden here,

:45:09.:45:12.

Helen Dillon is going to come to Longmeadow,

:45:13.:45:17.

Helen Dillon is an acclaimed plantswoman and writer

:45:18.:45:24.

who over 40 years created one of Ireland's most iconic gardens...

:45:25.:45:30.

..and, having visited that in Dublin,

:45:31.:45:32.

I wanted now to extend a return invitation

:45:33.:45:36.

but I must admit, I am feeling a little nervous.

:45:37.:45:44.

Do you want to have a look around? Yes, please.

:45:45.:45:47.

This is the new bit we're making. The new herb garden.

:45:48.:45:53.

This is very nice. This is all doing well.

:45:54.:45:55.

And where did you get the lovely manure? That is mushroom compost.

:45:56.:46:01.

The reason I use that is because the yews and the box,

:46:02.:46:07.

it's just to give it a bit of alkalinity.

:46:08.:46:09.

Is that that very good rose which is difficult there? Is that that one?

:46:10.:46:12.

It's dead easy. It's Souvenir du Docteur Jamain.

:46:13.:46:15.

No, I find it terribly difficult. Do you? Why?

:46:16.:46:17.

Because it didn't think the soil was good enough.

:46:18.:46:19.

..but it is just as Vita Sackville-West described it.

:46:20.:46:24.

The first thing we did was to make this path.

:46:25.:46:37.

This is my 40th birthday path, and the limes down here -

:46:38.:46:41.

which we put in, really, as an under story, have become the main story.

:46:42.:46:50.

The spring garden, of course, is empty now. I mean, it's sleeping.

:46:51.:46:53.

I know, but this is a cool, green interim now, which is lovely.

:46:54.:46:59.

And then in here we have what we call the cottage garden.

:47:00.:47:04.

And we call it this because it's become a mixed bag.

:47:05.:47:10.

We planted a lot of roses about three years ago.

:47:11.:47:13.

And you manage them without spraying? We never spray anything.

:47:14.:47:15.

For non-sprayed, I think they look very good.

:47:16.:47:17.

I'm very much of the school.... Of the green department.

:47:18.:47:21.

I'm of the green department. Quite right too.

:47:22.:47:23.

My philosophy is if a plant is healthy

:47:24.:47:26.

and the garden is healthy, i.e. it has a balanced ecosystem,

:47:27.:47:30.

I love the length and I love the way this points out the length.

:47:31.:47:46.

The planting here is based around the grasses,

:47:47.:47:48.

What is that? It's a tree dahlia. A tree dahlia. You lucky stinker!

:47:49.:47:55.

Even if they don't flower I think that's smashing.

:47:56.:48:00.

They are smashing. The problem is they are absolutely not hardy,

:48:01.:48:03.

and they're very big things to store. Obviously we cut them down.

:48:04.:48:06.

So you've got great big roots to dig up. Huge roots like that.

:48:07.:48:10.

You're dying to plant them just to get rid of them,

:48:11.:48:13.

but we daren't until mid May because, you know...

:48:14.:48:16.

Early May. We wait until early May...

:48:17.:48:21.

and I have to mention it, I love this wonderful square you have.

:48:22.:48:24.

These were four left-over trees that we had...

:48:25.:48:31.

They are lime, they're Tilia platyphyllos.

:48:32.:48:35.

Yeah, it works. Because then you can have this wonderful wilderness

:48:36.:48:39.

around the side. Exactly. Sorry to refer to it as wilderness.

:48:40.:48:42.

I think it's beautiful! It is a wilderness, you're absolutely right.

:48:43.:48:45.

and then you come into the Jewel Garden, which is all colour.

:48:46.:48:57.

There's no white in here at all. Just gorgeous.

:48:58.:49:01.

So things like the zinnias and tithonias and dahlias

:49:02.:49:04.

all come into their own. Wonderful! Wonderful!

:49:05.:49:06.

The other thing I have to remark on is the size of all your cannas.

:49:07.:49:09.

For instance, this buddleia, there was a storm

:49:10.:49:12.

and it was like a bomb had been dropped on it. It was just broken.

:49:13.:49:15.

but you see, I've got it in for buddleias, anyway,

:49:16.:49:18.

which is terribly mean to say, but buddleias all die badly,

:49:19.:49:22.

and I think dying badly is one of the greatest sins a plant can have.

:49:23.:49:26.

It's a very good point. Don't have plants that die badly.

:49:27.:49:29.

The Jewel Garden, I like looking across it, as much as anything.

:49:30.:49:33.

What we try and do, as I say, I like things like that crocosmia.

:49:34.:49:39.

Absolutely heavenly. This year the tithonias have done really well.

:49:40.:49:47.

They're terribly good. And dahlias are always happy in this garden.

:49:48.:49:51.

We never have trouble growing dahlias.

:49:52.:49:55.

We took down nine trees this winter to let a bit more light in.

:49:56.:49:58.

I think that's the story of what gardening is.

:49:59.:50:00.

the more you have to control what you've done. Yeah.

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I want to ask your advice, because I get the impression

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in Dublin, meconopsis grows like a weed. I want to tell you,

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meconopsis is a terrible struggle to grow in Dublin.

:50:24.:50:26.

Really? A terrible struggle, because it's too warm and too dry.

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You're cooler. But I'm slightly worried

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It looks as if they're rotting a bit, some of them.

:50:32.:50:34.

Did you get that as a plant or a seed? I grew them as seed,

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and they flowered beautifully for the last two years.

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Really well - but I want to keep them. I want to keep them going.

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Well, I think you're going to have to make a new area

:50:44.:50:45.

and move them on to a different area. Right.

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They want their space and they want the light.

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They don't want hot sun and that soil looks deliciously rich,

:50:51.:50:53.

just what they want, and it's not a hot garden.

:50:54.:50:56.

and this big bed was dug from grass two and a half years ago.

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Can we be boring for a moment about...?

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From grass two years ago means it's that lovely virgin soil.

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You get better growth that first year or two

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And people don't believe that, but I think that is the main magic.

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Yeah. I can remember two wonderful gardeners came to my garden

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and they looked at some gentians that were growing...

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They didn't bother to explain it to me,

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they just said, "Ah", they said, "virgin soil, virgin soil!"

:51:29.:51:31.

And I think these chaps like virgin soil.

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I can't understand, Monty, how you managed to do all this.

:51:36.:51:38.

Garden after garden after garden, each more exciting than the last,

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Well, I have help. Is that why you're rather slim?

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And we spend most of our lives out in the garden.

:51:46.:51:50.

It's lovely to walk around the garden with Helen,

:51:51.:52:01.

but it doesn't mean to say there aren't jobs to do,

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so here are your jobs for the weekend.

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to see if any fruit have got brown rot.

:52:14.:52:17.

and you can notice it because you get brown, rotten areas of fruit

:52:18.:52:23.

with very distinctive white pustules.

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Don't drop this on the floor, but bin or burn them

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as they can contaminate the rest of the fruit

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and even spread to next year's harvest.

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Unless you intend to collect the seed,

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by cutting them off right at the base.

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This will preserve the energy in the roots for next year's plants.

:52:51.:52:55.

When you're finished, give them one final feed of the year

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using a high-potash feed such as liquid seaweed or a tomato feed.

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and this is particularly true of apple mint,

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so remove most of the flower on the stems,

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leaving a few for use in the kitchen,

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and encourage fresh regrowth as you go into autumn.

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just in the last five years or so here at Longmeadow,

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and which we never used to have to deal with, are pigeons and rabbits -

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are particularly difficult with vegetables

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but they also damage flowering plants, too,

:53:56.:53:58.

whereas the rabbits, they cause havoc.

:53:59.:54:01.

They eat all our crocus, they eat the ammis

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and they really nibble trees and shrubs, and you can see here...

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..this fruit tree that I've planted in spring

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has been chewed all the way up, and if they ring it,

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which is to say they ring, they eat right around the bark,

:54:15.:54:18.

So I'm going to have to resort to putting on tree guards,

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if you're planting young trees anywhere near where rabbits might be

:54:24.:54:29.

or if you know rabbits are around, put a tree guard on,

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but to do it, I'm going to have to cut off these lower branches.

:54:33.:54:41.

You only need a tree guard on young trees

:54:42.:54:48.

because that's what rabbits are attracted to,

:54:49.:54:51.

in which case they may be driven to nibbling at older trees,

:54:52.:54:58.

how good or bad the weather's going to be for us gardeners this weekend.

:54:59.:55:16.

It is more bad than good this weekend with low pressure in control

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F your beds and pots are looking sorry for themselves, nothing in the

:55:24.:55:25.

weather will change that this weekend. Wet at times though not all

:55:26.:55:30.

the time. A cool weekend ahead. A blustery weekend too. From the word

:55:31.:55:34.

go on Saturday morning, showers around western parts. They'll

:55:35.:55:37.

develop elsewhere as we go through the day. If you catch one, it could

:55:38.:55:42.

be heavy, possibly thundery with a risk of hail. Some bright or sunny

:55:43.:55:46.

spells around, but a lot of cloud during Saturday. The windiest

:55:47.:55:50.

weather in the west and south of the UK. Lots of western Scotland and

:55:51.:55:55.

Northern Ireland will see the showers easing later in the

:55:56.:55:59.

afternoon. A rash as cross England and Wales. Across eastern parts

:56:00.:56:05.

those showers should arrive as the afternoon goes on. Blustery across

:56:06.:56:07.

the coast of Wales and the south-west of England. The wind will

:56:08.:56:12.

ease for a time. On Saturday night, mainly dry and clear. Temperatures

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will drop away. Some rural spots into single figures. Perhaps

:56:17.:56:22.

sheltered glens in Scotland low single figures. More rain on Sunday

:56:23.:56:26.

spreading over Scotland and Northern Ireland. Edging eastwards across the

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rest of the day. Eastern England staying largely dry until late on. A

:56:34.:56:37.

risk of gales on the south-west on Sunday night into Monday. A weekend

:56:38.:56:39.

of low pressure. Changeable. created by not one but two

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of her gardening heroes, This is a Longmeadow special. This

:56:41.:56:45.

is lemon verbena tea. Hen's teeth! It's such a lovely colour that

:56:46.:56:50.

even if you don't like to drink it, I'm sure it's very good

:56:51.:56:54.

for you, as well. Yeah, I guess so,

:56:55.:57:00.

but it shouldn't be like medicine. Monty, I cannot tell you

:57:01.:57:03.

what a wonderful time I've had. It's been lovely having you here.

:57:04.:57:08.

I feel completely spoilt and it is such a treat.

:57:09.:57:11.

It's a thrilling garden. This little bit is probably less

:57:12.:57:14.

exciting. It's coming into... It's only young, isn't it?

:57:15.:57:21.

It's very young. and this is going to be

:57:22.:57:22.

our little Officinalis Garden, they were the chemist

:57:23.:57:28.

or they were the pharmacy. Officinalis sounds very grand, but

:57:29.:57:36.

as you know, it just means basic, you know? It just means... It just

:57:37.:57:42.

means very ordinary, the common one. Yeah. The common one.

:57:43.:57:45.

The common, basic, so, you know, and Rosmarinus officinalis

:57:46.:57:48.

is a basic rosemary, it's nothing fancy

:57:49.:57:53.

done to it at all, so it's all part of the herb theme

:57:54.:57:56.

that this will come into being, and I'm delighted

:57:57.:57:59.

you had a good time. It's been a great honour, and I have

:58:00.:58:01.

to say, quite scary. Oh, shut up! Shut up! I want to tell you it's

:58:02.:58:05.

a great honour for me to be here. and I'm afraid that's all

:58:06.:58:09.

we've got time for today. I'm afraid Helen won't,

:58:10.:58:17.

but I hope you come back soon, and you can join me

:58:18.:58:21.

here at Longmeadow at the same time next week -

:58:22.:58:23.

so from Helen and myself, bye-bye.

:58:24.:58:29.

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