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Hello, welcome to Gardeners' World.

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It's almost a sad moment when the tulips finish.

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Not that they all have,

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but certainly these ones have done their stuff.

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But you can't stay sad too long at this time of year

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because as one set of flowers finishes

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another comes bursting gloriously through.

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And of course, here in the Jewel Garden, it's the alliums.

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This is the Allium Purple Sensation,

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and it's never so purple as it is at this moment,

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just as it's about to open fully,

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and then you get this incredible, dazzling display,

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like purple stars in a night sky.

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And also, right across the garden, everywhere you look,

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there are new flowers venturing out into the spring sunshine.

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Now, on tonight's programme, which of course is a full hour long,

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we shall be venturing to the RHS Malvern Spring Festival

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as well as doing lots of gardening here.

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And we'll be bringing you the very best from the show.

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In tonight's show, Carol will be scouring

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Malvern's impressive marquee to discover what new floral delights

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are on display this year.

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And Joe and Frances will be exploring the showground,

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taking a close look at the very best of the gardens and exhibits.

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A couple of months ago,

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I cut back the grass borders right down to the ground,

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clearing all last year's growth.

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And I said at the time that you don't want to move or divide grasses

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until they're growing vigorously.

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The first grass I want to reposition is a calamagrostis.

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Now, this is Calamagrostis Karl Foerster

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and calamagrostis is one of the first of the grasses to grow.

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It has really deep green, lush growth early on,

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and it then develops very upright stems

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which can hold nice and firm in any weather.

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So it's a really good grass to add vertical lines to a border.

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But it is being crowded out by this cardoon

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and I don't want to move the cardoon,

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so what I'm going to do is lift all or some of that.

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The garden here at Longmeadow...

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..has been very dry.

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It's been really the driest in May I've ever known it.

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Obviously a lot of things suffer,

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but most grasses cope very well if it's dry.

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There we go, I think that's coming. Out you come.

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I'm bringing it over here because

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I don't have any calamagrostis in here.

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It is a plant that does much better in full sun.

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If you position Calamagrostis in shade, it'll grow, but it flops.

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But as far as soil goes it's pretty adaptable.

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It's worth saying that at this stage I could divide this.

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Obviously now is the time to do it,

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and it's a good way of propagating grasses.

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However, when you divide it and replant it,

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it won't grow much for the first year

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and then will gradually take off.

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This pheasant grass seeded itself in here

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and I never got round to moving it last year.

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Pheasant grass has got a new name.

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I know it as Stipa arundinacea.

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The new name, I always mispronounce.

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But effectively, it is part of the Stipa family in growth habit,

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if not literally in name.

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And all the stipas like really good drainage.

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Bright sunshine, good drainage.

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And I want to use it as an architectural plant.

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They're the exact opposite of calamagrostis,

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which is very upright -

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this needs space to flop.

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It's not wholly hardy.

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It's good down to about minus ten.

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The plan is to put that there.

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So you can see that it immediately creates an architectural feature.

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The big difference with this pheasant grass

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is that it is short lived,

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but because they seed themselves so freely, you just replace it.

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Now, even though this needs really good drainage and loves hot sun,

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it does need a good soak when you plant it.

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The same for any plant that you transplant.

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Ideally, soak it the day before you move it

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and definitely give it a good water after you move it,

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and then water it again once a week until you see it growing strongly.

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Come on.

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Now, this may not look like much, but this is our new herb garden.

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Focusing on culinary herbs.

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It's near the kitchen and the idea is to give us masses of herbs,

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have generous quantities for cooking.

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Today, I just want to start by planting

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some of the Mediterranean herbs that need extreme conditions.

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And I've already dug out three pits because I want these to have

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the best possible drainage and very poor soil,

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because herbs like thyme thrive in poor conditions.

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Think where they come from - baking-hot Mediterranean hillsides,

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it may not rain for months,

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the soil will be all stony, and that is what they like,

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so that is what I'm going to give them.

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Now, to that end...

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..I've got a load of rubbish!

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Think of this like a pot where you're putting lots of crocks

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in the bottom. That's just to ensure that when the roots go down,

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they don't find a pool of water.

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Now we add a bit of soil onto there.

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This is horticultural grit.

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But any grit will do, and you can use sand if you like.

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A little bit more soil.

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If you're mixing up to do this in a container,

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put a quarter of the pot with crocks or stones in the bottom then mix up

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some potting compost with at least its own volume of grit.

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Now I can start planting.

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And what I'm going to put in here is lemon thyme.

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Lemon thyme is particularly good for cooking,

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but I like to have lemon thyme, normal thyme, silver thyme.

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But the one thing I've learnt over the years with thyme...

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..is that it cannot take any shade.

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It gets very twiggy and the result is that it starts to die back.

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Just because these are Mediterranean plants that love sun,

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it doesn't mean to say they don't need watering in.

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But never feed them.

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Don't mulch them with compost.

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You could put gravel on if you wanted to, but let them grow hard.

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And apart from anything else, as well as lasting longer

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and being happy, they will taste much better.

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OK, it's a small start, but it's beginning!

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The herb garden is up and running.

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I've got three bags like this of fennel

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that we dug out of the borders there.

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I want to just recycle them because fennel,

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not only does it taste really good, both the foliage and the seeds,

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but it looks wonderful.

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Topped by umbels of flower and then the dried seedheads,

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absolutely lovely.

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Like that.

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You can see I'm not trying to space these out, I want clumps.

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These will need watering until they're nice and upright.

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Now, the idea of these is they will grow tall,

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up to about the first tier of the pleached limes,

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and then in between them I'm going to put some sage,

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which will give me a shrubby mid-layer, and then underneath,

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lots of oregano, marjoram, which will spread and create ground cover.

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The whole point about this is we've got lots of room,

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but I'm building it as a garden.

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I am creating the beds, which have rhythm and texture and colour.

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A herb garden is not just a little adjunct,

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it can be a really beautiful place.

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Right, that's a start,

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and in a month's time this will be full of herbs,

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and it will be a nice herby replacement to the box balls.

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Now, this week saw the beginning of the RHS's Malvern Spring Festival

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and Carol, Joe and Frances went along to see the show gardens

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and the plant displays, all set on this remarkable showground

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beneath the spectacular backdrop of the Malvern Hills.

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The medicinal qualities of Malvern's local spring water

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has been well documented since medieval times

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and brought to the area the great and the good,

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including Charles Darwin, Charles Dickens and Florence Nightingale.

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And it's this spa heritage that has created the theme

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for this year's show - it's all about health and wellbeing.

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If there's one place that really gets me buzzing

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it's the Floral Marquee.

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It's packed with plants, lots of them new, and new exhibitors too.

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This is my very first RHS Malvern Spring Festival and I'm looking for

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plants that have a purpose as well as being good for your health.

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There are six large show gardens here this year

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and all are striving for a really good RHS medal,

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and ideally a nice shiny gold one.

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This garden is called The Retreat. It's designed by Villaggio Verde

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and it's for a retired couple who have moved to France

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and created their dream garden.

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It's sort of wellbeing with wedge.

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There's a lot of money been thrown at this garden

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and there's plenty of structure that I really like,

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these huge olives and these wonderful terracotta pots,

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and then there's this outdoor kitchen.

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We've got this wonderful outdoor shower as well.

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Which works, nicely.

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And right in the middle,

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dominating the space entirely, we have this hot tub.

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That is a tempting temperature, there,

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which is fired by this wood-burning stove.

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This garden is seductive.

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Once you're in it you feel good, no doubt about it,

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like you might if you're in a posh hotel.

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But really, the garden is over here.

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I like the bleached deck boards and

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this sort of garden is achievable at home.

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A lot of these plants will grow outdoors,

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even the olives, and we've got those aromatic plants,

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things like the lavenders, the sage, the thyme.

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They love the sun beating down on them as they release

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those aromatic oils and make you feel even better.

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Well, the judges liked this garden - they gave it a Silver-Gilt -

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but I just think they thought perhaps it was

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a little bit too much jacuzzi and not enough garden.

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This is The Refuge Garden,

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it's designed by Sue Jollans and it highlights the plight of refugees

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searching for a safe place to live.

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And this boardwalk that leads you in is all part of the journey,

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all part of the narrative of the garden.

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It's not straight, it's not easy,

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it's really quite difficult and kinked,

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and it's quite trepidacious, walking down here, and that's the idea.

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But there is beauty too, because we look over

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this wonderful wildflower meadow that's sunken,

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and then these water features which represent travelling over water

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but make great garden features in themselves.

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And when you reach the other side,

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you do feel as if you've made it, you've got to the sanctuary.

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And this is a community space, it's a safe place.

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Now, what I like about this garden is it works on different levels,

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as art forms should.

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One level, you look at it and you think, "Yeah, lovely garden,

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"packed full of beautiful plants," but if you start digging deeper,

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the meaning and the narrative become more and more relevant.

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And that, to me,

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is an example of a really good and interesting show garden,

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and the judges really liked it too.

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They gave it a Gold Medal, and it's really well-deserved.

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Well done, Sue.

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This is the Molecular Garden, designed by a Russian design duo.

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Now, they were brought over as part of an exchange that Malvern have

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with the Moscow Flower Show, so they exhibited there last year

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and one of the spa gardens' exhibitors

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will go to Moscow this year,

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so that's exciting.

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Now, they literally took the meaning of a spa garden to heart.

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They've created a garden where you come out of a spa

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and it's a place to relax and chill out in, surrounded by nature.

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And they have done an astounding job.

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The level of detail in this garden is fabulous.

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I like the light paving surrounded by the lush green planting,

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and then these wonderful sculptural benches that just look great.

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They don't look that comfortable, do they?

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But you know what? They really are.

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They are flat-pack, they brought them over from Moscow with them.

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And from here you can see the planting,

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you feel in amongst it, and it's very relaxing.

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And that molecular theme runs through the alliums, the angelica,

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to the sculpture at the back.

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So it's a really nice, cohesive design,

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and I think they've done a fantastic job.

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But it's not only me, because the judges loved this garden.

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They gave it a Gold,

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they gave it Best In Show in the Spa Garden category.

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So, watch out, everybody, the Russians are coming.

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One of the country's leading designers, Peter Dowle,

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is no stranger to the show.

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He's supplied plants, built gardens for others

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and designed many himself too.

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Now, this year his design is called At One With,

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a meditation garden, and a few weeks ago

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Frances visited him at his nursery in Ross-on-Wye

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as he prepared for the show.

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We're used to hearing gardens described as nice or pretty,

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but the reality is that there's often a much deeper significance

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that goes beyond the aesthetic.

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At this year's show, Peter Dowle has been exploring the deep connection

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that we have with our gardens.

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So, Peter, your garden is called At One With.

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What's the thinking behind that?

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It's exploring the idea of a garden space having a meditative

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-or contemplative feel about it.

-Mm-hmm.

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That when you're within the garden or viewing the garden,

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that you have a feeling of serenity, and that's the real challenge.

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It sounds like an amazing idea, but how do you kind of begin

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that design process and really put it into practice?

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We know the site at Malvern.

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We've got the lovely hills as the backdrop, of course,

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and that in itself is an inspiration.

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And then you start playing with the idea of reflection, with water,

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the earthy elements, with rock,

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and then obviously the muted palette of plants.

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Exploring ranges of greens, textures and forms,

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with the Malvern Hills in the background...

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-Incredible.

-..is the idea.

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And when choosing your plants,

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I'm guessing that you use the nursery round here for inspiration.

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Yeah, we've got some fabulous ones in the tunnel, actually.

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-Want to have a look?

-I'd love to see them.

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-Yes, please!

-Let's have a look.

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So, this is one of your polytunnels.

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-Yes.

-And I can see an amazing array of plants.

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Can you tell me what these plants are

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and how you'll be using them in the Malvern Show?

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The selection we see here really just goes to show

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the variations in green.

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And then, if you start looking at textures,

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we've got the lovely hakon grass, the Hakonechloa macra.

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The best way that I like to use them

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is en masse, so that when you get the breeze running through,

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the whole thing moves and shimmers.

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They're also very soft and they're also very understated,

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so if a plant could be described as calm,

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I think the hakonechloa is absolutely on the calm list.

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I agree with that.

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And then plants that people will want to know about

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because they've not seen before.

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So things like the wollemi pine being just a talking point.

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Have you ever seen one as big as that?

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I haven't, actually.

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It's an impressive specimen.

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I mean, it's an impressive story and a tree in itself.

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Cos it was one of the most recent discoveries.

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I think it was 1996, wasn't it, in New South Wales?

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But it's a plant that was thought to be extinct,

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-and it dates right back to the Jurassic.

-Yeah.

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And here we are, 2017, and it's headlining in a show garden.

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-It's great, isn't it?

-Absolutely.

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I see you have some very large gunnera there.

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-Certainly do.

-Will you be using them at the show?

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Yes, we will, yes.

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Because obviously it can take over a space,

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it's got a bit of a reputation as a thug, and it grows so fast -

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what, two centimetres a day, something like that?

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In absolute ideal conditions it can become a bit of a thug,

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but you just need to contain it.

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We've had one growing at home in a large tub for the last five years.

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It will make two metres by two metres at the end of the season

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as part of a tropical corner, and it's fabulous.

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It produces this prehistoric-looking flower in the centre,

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and the sound of rain water on it, and seeing it rush down the veins,

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it's just awesome.

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This is an amazing grove of acers, isn't it, Peter?

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And obviously something you're well known for.

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So will acers be featuring very heavily in your Malvern garden?

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We've got a couple of gems which will be used as highlight plants.

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-This is the Acer japonicum Vitifolium...

-Yes.

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..but the spring flush, you see the range of greens

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and see how the shadows work as you look through

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-and the sun is coming through.

-With that red background as well,

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it's an incredible variety, isn't it?

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It's lovely, isn't it? It's got a good, solid look about it, you know?

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Unlike this fella, which is...

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It looks so delicate, but a lot tougher than you credit it for.

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This one definitely will be going to Malvern,

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it's one of my favourite varieties.

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It's a palmatum Koto-no-ito.

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Very tactile, and I think it's such a lovely contrasting plant

0:21:450:21:49

for bolder foliage as well as having a great green presence about it.

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Wow, that's an amazing specimen, isn't it?

0:21:580:22:01

Isn't it gorgeous?

0:22:010:22:02

It's the variety Acer palmatum Kashima.

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It's naturally a dwarf, or a slow-growing one,

0:22:040:22:07

-and it's about 25 years old.

-That's beautiful.

0:22:070:22:10

It's got such a characterful form.

0:22:100:22:12

Well, Peter, the garden is a triumph.

0:22:250:22:28

It is, it's just absolutely breathtaking, I think.

0:22:280:22:33

It just feels like it's been here forever.

0:22:330:22:35

You got a Gold, you won Best in Show,

0:22:400:22:43

-how are you feeling?

-Absolutely delighted.

0:22:430:22:47

The thought of just coming down and seeing life,

0:22:470:22:49

all the world at a different perspective was the idea of

0:22:490:22:52

bringing it in as a sunken garden, and then opting, really,

0:22:520:22:55

for a very soft palette of plants, so not putting in too many colours

0:22:550:23:00

and just trying to make it as restful as possible.

0:23:000:23:02

I just love the way you've embraced the Malvern Hills.

0:23:020:23:05

It's just the most fabulous backdrop.

0:23:050:23:07

It's a term I use often in design,

0:23:070:23:09

and it's a Japanese form of design called shakai,

0:23:090:23:13

which is the borrowed landscape.

0:23:130:23:14

By picking out the profile of the hills

0:23:140:23:17

you can control the foreground and miss out the mid ground

0:23:170:23:20

and, if you do that, you get the two to connect.

0:23:200:23:23

But we just see the finished garden.

0:23:230:23:25

We saw the plants at your nursery with Frances,

0:23:250:23:27

but actually getting them here and keeping them looking so good

0:23:270:23:31

-is quite a feat.

-It is, yeah.

0:23:310:23:33

We've had one of our guys on watering

0:23:330:23:36

for pretty much nine hours a day,

0:23:360:23:38

just keeping the plants at peak perfection.

0:23:380:23:41

It really is special.

0:23:410:23:42

This garden, within the setting, I feel...

0:23:420:23:45

You know that sense of wellbeing

0:23:450:23:47

and gardens being really good for your soul?

0:23:470:23:50

-Yeah.

-I'm feeling it right now.

0:23:500:23:52

To be able to slow down and hear the birds, the sun,

0:23:520:23:56

the sound of water...

0:23:560:23:57

..I think it's fabulous. I think it's why we garden, isn't it?

0:23:590:24:02

This year at Malvern, the marquee is absolutely massive.

0:24:110:24:16

It's almost 200 metres long

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and it's packed with nursery people from all over the country,

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and full to the gunwales with the wonderful plants

0:24:240:24:27

that they've brought for our delectation.

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And I'm really privileged to be in here before everybody else

0:24:300:24:35

to see exactly what's new.

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Brand-new exhibitors at Malvern are Gail and David.

0:24:520:24:55

-Hi, Gail.

-Hello.

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It is just out of this world, this stand.

0:24:570:25:00

It's full of woodland plants,

0:25:000:25:02

and a few auriculas if you've got a sunny place,

0:25:020:25:05

full of plants that anybody could grow,

0:25:050:25:07

but right in the centre of the stand

0:25:070:25:09

is something which is almost mythical.

0:25:090:25:12

It's a meconopsis, but instead of those blue ones,

0:25:120:25:16

this is red.

0:25:160:25:18

It's Meconopsis punicea,

0:25:180:25:20

it's from Sichuan and Tibet,

0:25:200:25:22

and it's got this exotica, with these languid red petals.

0:25:220:25:27

Almost look as though they're made out of silk.

0:25:270:25:30

And right here is another exotic-looking plant,

0:25:310:25:34

a dactylorhiza.

0:25:340:25:36

This is a hardy orchid. And you'd think at first,

0:25:360:25:39

"Yeah, it's all very well for them,"

0:25:390:25:42

but you can grow this too.

0:25:420:25:44

Given some shade, a lot of care and some patience,

0:25:440:25:48

you too could have a fine dactylorhiza in your shady bits.

0:25:480:25:53

And then, look at that, as the centrepiece, an anemone.

0:25:530:25:57

This is trullifolia,

0:25:570:25:59

and it looks as though it knew it was coming to the show.

0:25:590:26:03

Each of these petals is perfect.

0:26:030:26:05

Each of these round flowers looks out symmetrically

0:26:050:26:09

from this clump in the centre.

0:26:090:26:11

It really is exquisite.

0:26:110:26:15

I think it's a beautiful stand.

0:26:150:26:17

No, your eyes are not deceiving you -

0:26:270:26:29

it's a dandelion at Malvern!

0:26:290:26:33

This is Taraxacum pseudoroseum, but whatever its Latin is,

0:26:330:26:37

it's definitely a dandelion.

0:26:370:26:40

Pretty in pink, but I don't know whether I'd have it in my garden.

0:26:400:26:43

Everybody's intrigued by cacti.

0:26:500:26:54

Some people love them, some people hate them,

0:26:540:26:57

but who could resist this kaleidoscopic display

0:26:570:27:01

from Southfield Nursery?

0:27:010:27:03

Nearly every plant on the stand is in flower and

0:27:030:27:07

over the last 30 years, Southfield have been working towards

0:27:070:27:10

increasing the flowering capacity of their new hybrids.

0:27:100:27:14

And this year they've introduced this new plant, Matucana Festival.

0:27:140:27:19

It's almost fluorescent in its colouring.

0:27:190:27:22

How about this?

0:27:280:27:30

This is a brand-new epimedium called Rhubarb And Custard -

0:27:300:27:35

obviously because of the combination of colour within its flowers

0:27:350:27:38

and the combination between the flowers and these lovely new leaves.

0:27:380:27:43

There's nothing like the new leaves of epimedium.

0:27:430:27:46

They're almost translucent, they're delicate and delightful,

0:27:460:27:51

and they really just epitomise the spring.

0:27:510:27:54

They are the go-to plant for dry shade.

0:27:540:27:58

They're tremendously easy to grow

0:27:580:28:00

and they'll compete even with tree roots.

0:28:000:28:03

Splendid plants all round, and I think this is a real winner.

0:28:030:28:07

This is the Grow Zone, and it's been designed to show you

0:28:150:28:18

what's achievable even in a really tiny space.

0:28:180:28:21

Each of these plots is two by two metres and absolutely crammed

0:28:210:28:24

full of not only beautiful but really usable plants.

0:28:240:28:28

Things like foxgloves, which are great for pollinators

0:28:280:28:30

but also really good medicinally, and edibles.

0:28:300:28:34

Dahlias you don't think of as edible,

0:28:340:28:36

but this is called Malvern Spring and it's bred especially

0:28:360:28:39

for the festival. You can eat the tubers, as with all dahlias,

0:28:390:28:42

though they may not taste great.

0:28:420:28:44

But if you want great-tasting veg,

0:28:440:28:46

through here it's absolutely crammed with it.

0:28:460:28:49

These are the edible beds.

0:28:570:28:59

They're a brand-new feature at this year's festival and they showcase

0:28:590:29:02

food-growing projects from all around the country

0:29:020:29:04

that aim to improve the environment and enhance people's lives.

0:29:040:29:07

There are some farming sisters that I've been told I have to meet.

0:29:110:29:14

-Hello.

-Hello!

-Hello.

0:29:140:29:16

Tell me about what you do.

0:29:160:29:18

We want to sort of give children the opportunity to find out

0:29:180:29:20

where their food comes from, so back to grassroots

0:29:200:29:23

and thinking that actually a carrot doesn't come in a packet

0:29:230:29:25

in a supermarket, we can go and dig it out of the garden.

0:29:250:29:29

So, what have you put in your bed?

0:29:290:29:30

We've got... These are the things that we plant

0:29:300:29:33

-in the fields on the farm.

-OK.

0:29:330:29:35

We've got some wheat at the end and we've got barley.

0:29:350:29:39

We've got beans, which are your broad beans.

0:29:390:29:42

We've got some peas, haven't we, Josh?

0:29:420:29:44

And then this is some of the wild flowers that we have in the borders

0:29:440:29:46

to encourage bees, butterflies, the pollinators for the crops.

0:29:460:29:49

Fantastic. Love your beds, they're absolutely crammed full of bees.

0:29:490:29:52

-Thank you!

-Always good for edibles.

-Lovely.

-Thank you.

-Thank you.

0:29:520:29:55

We'll be returning to the show later on.

0:30:080:30:11

Now, I said last week that it was time to start

0:30:110:30:14

hardening off plants and get them out.

0:30:140:30:17

And certainly now you can safely put out citrus.

0:30:170:30:20

I've taken one lemon to the mound, where they spend their summer.

0:30:220:30:25

Let's take this one.

0:30:260:30:27

HE GROANS

0:30:420:30:44

Now, the first thing to do is to set these up on blocks...

0:30:530:30:58

..to improve the drainage.

0:30:590:31:00

Now, when you get them out, have a chance to look at them,

0:31:030:31:06

it's a good time to prune. All citrus will take hard pruning,

0:31:060:31:10

so don't be shy about it.

0:31:100:31:12

The worst that can happen is you'll get masses of regrowth.

0:31:120:31:15

And what you want is a nice, open centre.

0:31:150:31:18

Now, this is growing too much inwards,

0:31:180:31:21

it's shading out that at the back, so I can take this off right back...

0:31:210:31:25

..like that.

0:31:270:31:28

Now, immediately that's more open.

0:31:280:31:30

I've got an inward-growing branch there

0:31:300:31:32

so I'm going to take that right off.

0:31:320:31:34

Like that.

0:31:390:31:40

OK, what I must do now is reinvigorate it,

0:31:400:31:43

because these are quite hungry plants.

0:31:430:31:46

Rather than just top-dress it,

0:31:470:31:49

I'm going to scrape off the top inch or so of soil.

0:31:490:31:52

So I'm making room here to add some garden compost.

0:31:540:31:58

And actually, what I'm taking off

0:32:000:32:02

is last year's dressing of garden compost.

0:32:020:32:04

Don't want to damage the roots,

0:32:040:32:06

so as soon as I see roots appear under the trowel I'll stop digging.

0:32:060:32:11

Now I'm going to top-dress that with fresh compost.

0:32:130:32:16

It wants to be watered so it's drenched,

0:32:250:32:27

so the water is running through the bottom.

0:32:270:32:30

On top of that I'm going to add some seaweed every time I water it.

0:32:300:32:33

As with all feeds,

0:32:360:32:39

don't be tempted to make a stronger mixture than it needs.

0:32:390:32:44

The plant simply can't take up too much, you won't be helping it.

0:32:440:32:47

Now, that should start to appear out of the bottom.

0:32:550:32:58

If it doesn't, it means the drainage isn't good enough.

0:32:580:33:01

I shall feed this every week right through till October.

0:33:010:33:05

A big water once a week is far better than a sprinkle every day,

0:33:050:33:10

or every other day.

0:33:100:33:12

Well, with any luck, the lemons will not only grow successfully

0:33:200:33:23

but also avoid the predations of the local rabbit population,

0:33:230:33:27

because they have become a real problem.

0:33:270:33:29

All Miami I planted here on the mound a few weeks ago

0:33:290:33:32

were eaten to a stub overnight.

0:33:320:33:34

They've eaten sweet peas, roses - they are becoming a real pest!

0:33:340:33:40

I asked you to send in ideas on how to control them

0:33:400:33:43

and we got a few serious answers, and we also got other ones

0:33:430:33:47

that included playing Bright Eyes on a loop,

0:33:470:33:50

keeping a pet fox, having wind chimes,

0:33:500:33:52

having Nigel sitting up all night on guard -

0:33:520:33:55

you obviously haven't seen him chasing rabbits,

0:33:550:33:57

or failing to chase rabbits!

0:33:570:33:59

However, it's a serious problem and lots of us are sharing it,

0:33:590:34:03

increasingly so, and we will be looking at serious ways

0:34:030:34:06

of dealing with it in a few programmes' time.

0:34:060:34:09

Now, moving onto happier things, because it is Adam Frost's turn

0:34:090:34:16

to put forward the plant that he thinks has had most influence

0:34:160:34:20

on our gardens over the last 50 years.

0:34:200:34:22

The plant I want to champion is the rose.

0:34:260:34:29

For me, it sits head and shoulders above all the other plants.

0:34:290:34:33

When you think about it,

0:34:330:34:35

over the last 50 years this plant has travelled

0:34:350:34:37

and it's changed with us.

0:34:370:34:38

Whatever style you wish to garden in,

0:34:380:34:41

whether that's formal, informal, these plants sit comfortably.

0:34:410:34:45

On top of that, we mark these important occasions in our lives

0:34:450:34:48

with this plant, and you can get one for any conditions - shady, sunny.

0:34:480:34:53

The flowers, the array of them, the scent, just beautiful.

0:34:530:34:56

Fantastic hips - what else could you want from a plant?

0:34:560:35:00

And if I had to pick one,

0:35:000:35:02

it would be Rosa Gertrude Jekyll,

0:35:020:35:04

my go-to rose.

0:35:040:35:06

For me, the flower is fantastic,

0:35:060:35:08

it'll grow as a climber, it will work in the border.

0:35:080:35:11

Stunning.

0:35:110:35:13

So, there you go, my plant for the Golden Jubilee

0:35:130:35:16

has got to be the rose.

0:35:160:35:17

We have just one more Golden Jubilee plant to reveal which, next week,

0:35:230:35:28

will be Carol.

0:35:280:35:29

Then you get the chance to vote for the plant that you think

0:35:290:35:33

has had the most impact on our gardens over the last 50 years.

0:35:330:35:36

We'll let you know how to do that next week and we'll be announcing

0:35:360:35:39

the Golden Jubilee plant at Gardeners' World Live in June.

0:35:390:35:43

Well, at this time of year it's hard not to love any kind of rose,

0:35:530:35:59

although my favourites, in May, are the species roses.

0:35:590:36:04

This is Rosa hugonis,

0:36:040:36:06

which has this delicate primrose, very simple flower.

0:36:060:36:10

Covering the shrub, which is tall and arched,

0:36:100:36:13

for about three weeks, and then that's it,

0:36:130:36:15

that's its performance.

0:36:150:36:17

But worth waiting 49 weeks of the year for.

0:36:170:36:20

And the whole of the spring garden now changes.

0:36:200:36:23

At the beginning of the year it's quite an ordered place

0:36:230:36:26

and the colours carefully controlled with the bulbs appearing,

0:36:260:36:28

but by May the cow parsley has swept in

0:36:280:36:32

and we just have this simple froth that takes over,

0:36:320:36:35

and the whole of this part of the garden

0:36:350:36:37

feels like it's slipping back to nature.

0:36:370:36:41

The wildlife garden here at Longmeadow...

0:36:530:36:55

..has become one of my favourite places, actually.

0:36:560:36:59

I come up here at least once or twice a day.

0:36:590:37:01

And the key to any wildlife garden is not just to make it good

0:37:030:37:07

for wildlife but also good for you, the gardener.

0:37:070:37:10

It's got to look good, and that's the balance.

0:37:100:37:13

By the way, the pond I have not touched,

0:37:130:37:16

but it's packed full of beetles and frogs,

0:37:160:37:19

and I've seen hedgehogs come down to drink.

0:37:190:37:22

Whatever it's doing, it's doing right.

0:37:220:37:25

Now, a plant that we all grow you won't find

0:37:250:37:28

in the average wildlife garden is a sweet pea.

0:37:280:37:30

However, they do make the perfect show plant,

0:37:300:37:35

and we visit an exhibitor at Malvern who has been growing

0:37:350:37:39

show sweet peas for the last 70 years.

0:37:390:37:42

Mind you, he needs to draw upon the experience of all those 70 years

0:37:420:37:47

to get them ready this early.

0:37:470:37:49

There's no question about it, I like sweet peas,

0:37:580:38:01

but I wouldn't say I love sweet peas.

0:38:010:38:04

I wasn't going to be a gardener.

0:38:070:38:09

My father rented a large allotment from the local farm

0:38:110:38:15

and by that time I was seven years old,

0:38:150:38:17

the eldest of three children and big enough to move a barrel

0:38:170:38:21

and big enough to handle garden tools,

0:38:210:38:24

so it was my job to assist in this.

0:38:240:38:27

And I can't truthfully say I liked it because my mates in the street

0:38:270:38:30

didn't have the same privilege of having an allotment

0:38:300:38:33

and therefore they got more time to play.

0:38:330:38:35

So I swore I would never have a garden.

0:38:350:38:37

In this property that we're in now,

0:38:440:38:46

we moved in in 1966 and my father came along and said,

0:38:460:38:51

"Why don't you grow some sweet peas?" he said.

0:38:510:38:54

This was the fatal words, of course.

0:38:540:38:56

He said, "I'll sew you some seeds, you prepare that trench."

0:38:560:39:00

Anyway, they started to flower.

0:39:000:39:02

I was cutting probably 10,000 flowers a week

0:39:020:39:04

but I wasn't going to be a gardener, I was never going to be a gardener.

0:39:040:39:07

I would suffer this, but that would be it, you see.

0:39:070:39:09

I thought, "Next year, I could enter a flower show."

0:39:120:39:15

In the middle of town, a banner appeared.

0:39:170:39:19

The local show rules said you could enter up to nine o'clock

0:39:190:39:23

on the morning of the show.

0:39:230:39:24

There was only three entries in the class,

0:39:240:39:27

so because there were only three entries

0:39:270:39:29

I could get a prize because you never know,

0:39:290:39:31

some of the others might even get disqualified,

0:39:310:39:33

and I could see they were better than mine.

0:39:330:39:35

Anyway, the prizes had been awarded, first, second and mine.

0:39:350:39:39

Not even a third prize out of three.

0:39:390:39:42

And I looked in the mirror and I said,

0:39:420:39:44

"Tom, if you're not good enough to get third out of three,

0:39:440:39:47

"you need to do something.

0:39:470:39:48

"Either forget it altogether or do something about it."

0:39:480:39:52

So I went to the library and I borrowed a book on sweet peas.

0:39:520:39:57

I became really hooked.

0:39:570:39:59

I grow 1,300 cordon plants,

0:40:070:40:11

essentially for personal exhibition,

0:40:110:40:13

but I do grow them in next door's garden as a kind of overspill.

0:40:130:40:17

He just popped around one day and went,

0:40:170:40:19

"You're not using the bottom of your garden, can I just borrow it?"

0:40:190:40:22

I've got some in the local park

0:40:220:40:23

planted by some of the local children.

0:40:230:40:25

Also, I've got some planted in the local hospital.

0:40:270:40:30

He's the Chorley Mafia for sweet peas!

0:40:320:40:34

I never planned it to be that way and I never said,

0:40:380:40:40

"I'm going to do this," it just evolved.

0:40:400:40:43

I have no passion for the flower.

0:40:430:40:46

To me, it is a means to an end

0:40:460:40:49

of occupying time and interest and socialising with other people.

0:40:490:40:55

The sweet pea is the catalyst that allows all this to happen.

0:40:550:40:58

I don't have anxieties about Malvern, just terror,

0:41:030:41:07

because obviously it's not the sweet pea season

0:41:070:41:10

and to do something out of season is a lot of special preparation.

0:41:100:41:14

In the fridge we've got three plants at this moment,

0:41:140:41:18

two rather straggly ones that we might get a few cut flowers off

0:41:180:41:21

to put in a vase and another one that's been in now

0:41:210:41:24

for nearly four weeks which we've christened Nell

0:41:240:41:27

after Eskimo Nell because it's spent most of the four weeks

0:41:270:41:29

in the fridge - it gets an airing for an hour or two.

0:41:290:41:32

I'm not sure that she's going to make it

0:41:320:41:34

because it's still a week off the show or so at the moment,

0:41:340:41:37

so we are hoping this year

0:41:370:41:41

the season appears to be a little earlier.

0:41:410:41:44

It is a little bit a wing and a prayer.

0:41:440:41:45

We will, I'm sure, have a stand together.

0:41:450:41:48

Unfortunately, I do realise I'm not a young person

0:41:490:41:52

and I do have certain infirmities.

0:41:520:41:54

But I would like to think I can keep on growing something,

0:41:540:41:56

if it's only some of the dwarf ones or some of the species.

0:41:560:41:59

I don't know whether that's a retirement from sweet peas

0:41:590:42:02

or burial to put under the sweet peas

0:42:020:42:04

to get plenty body in the ground!

0:42:040:42:07

But I've bequeathed my ashes already to them, you see,

0:42:070:42:09

because it's good for them, you know.

0:42:090:42:11

So, Eskimo Nell made it!

0:42:220:42:25

Yes, we didn't think she was going to but she's here.

0:42:250:42:28

Perhaps she's not shivering now in this heat

0:42:280:42:31

that we've got here, it's a change for her, so she's enjoying it.

0:42:310:42:34

But she's obviously absolutely perfect

0:42:340:42:37

because you've won a Gold Medal.

0:42:370:42:39

Yes, and we've placed it on top of Nell.

0:42:390:42:41

We decided that that was only fair, you see.

0:42:410:42:44

It is for the whole stand, it's not just really for Nell.

0:42:440:42:46

And I think what's so marvellous is that this is a joint effort -

0:42:460:42:51

you've had sweet peas and people helping from all over the country

0:42:510:42:54

from the National Sweet Pea Society.

0:42:540:42:56

Yes, it was Tuesday afternoon before we knew exactly

0:42:560:42:59

what we were going to get. We had telephone calls,

0:42:590:43:01

"I'm stuck at traffic lights at such a point and I've got such a thing

0:43:010:43:04

"in the car," and we're trying to find a space on the stand for it.

0:43:040:43:07

We've changed the design at least six times, but it's here,

0:43:070:43:10

it's wonderful and, yes, a lot of contributions from everywhere.

0:43:100:43:14

But people would never believe it, seeing this.

0:43:140:43:16

It all looks so cool, calm, collected and absolutely perfect.

0:43:160:43:21

One of the aims of the National Sweet Pea Society

0:43:220:43:25

is to draw in young people too, isn't it?

0:43:250:43:27

And get them growing these wonderful flowers.

0:43:270:43:30

Yes, in any society it's necessary to keep continuity.

0:43:300:43:33

You've got to have succession and if you're not careful,

0:43:330:43:36

you get too many people with my colour of hair

0:43:360:43:38

and we do need to think that we'll be here into the future.

0:43:380:43:41

Well, with such a superb display,

0:43:410:43:44

I'm sure you're going to be pulling lots of young people into growing

0:43:440:43:47

these beautiful flowers.

0:43:470:43:48

I don't feel quite safe here, Matt.

0:44:020:44:04

You'll be all right, Carol, don't get too close!

0:44:040:44:07

So, you've won Best Exhibit in the Floral Marquee and no wonder,

0:44:080:44:13

-it's marvellous.

-Oh, it's brilliant.

0:44:130:44:15

This is our 20th year at the Malvern Spring Flower Show

0:44:150:44:19

and this is the first time we've ever had Best In Show,

0:44:190:44:21

so it's fantastic. Really, really pleased.

0:44:210:44:24

Tell us a bit about them.

0:44:240:44:25

I mean, all these plants look as though they're closely related.

0:44:250:44:29

They do, and they all look very tropical and exotic,

0:44:290:44:32

but the only thing they've got in common is that they've all gained

0:44:320:44:35

their nourishment from insects,

0:44:350:44:36

or in some cases small mammals, rather than from the soil.

0:44:360:44:39

So they all grow in areas which are very low in nutrition,

0:44:390:44:41

they've adapted these unusual-shaped leaves to capture their prey

0:44:410:44:44

or their food.

0:44:440:44:45

But how about hardiness? Can we grow them in our gardens?

0:44:450:44:48

There are a wide range of plants here.

0:44:480:44:50

This one here, Sarracenia, North American pitcher plant, very hardy.

0:44:500:44:54

They can be grown outside in a peat bog garden quite easily.

0:44:540:44:57

Whereas the tropical pitcher plant here, nepenthes, or monkey cup

0:44:570:45:01

as they're known, these need to be very warm and humid

0:45:010:45:03

-and grown with orchids in a tropical heated greenhouse.

-Yeah.

0:45:030:45:07

So, any of us could grow it,

0:45:070:45:08

provided we've got the right conditions.

0:45:080:45:10

Put it in the right place, it's going to survive.

0:45:100:45:13

Exactly, no problem at all.

0:45:130:45:14

And look beautiful, but not quite as lovely as this.

0:45:140:45:17

-You never know!

-Well done.

-Thank you. Thanks, Carol.

0:45:170:45:20

Now, here at the Malvern Spring Festival this year

0:45:250:45:27

we have horticultural royalty.

0:45:270:45:30

We have the queen of herbs herself, Jekka McVicar.

0:45:300:45:33

Now, this year she's taken on the task

0:45:330:45:36

of creating a permanent display garden here

0:45:360:45:38

that can be visited all year round.

0:45:380:45:41

One there, please.

0:45:490:45:50

Every time I come on-site,

0:45:510:45:52

doesn't matter whether it's a show or not a show, I really feel ill.

0:45:520:45:56

It's like a performance.

0:45:560:45:58

Sort of mound in the middle there.

0:45:580:46:01

'Will my vision work? Is it possible?'

0:46:010:46:04

Because each garden is a bit of you going on show.

0:46:040:46:08

Foxglove, one.

0:46:080:46:10

Just there. Lovely.

0:46:100:46:12

Yeah, perfect, yeah.

0:46:120:46:14

Quite a lot to get on with today,

0:46:150:46:17

because we've got to get bed one and two finished today

0:46:170:46:21

so that then tomorrow we can do three and four,

0:46:210:46:23

and then we top-dress and leave it and come back in two weeks' time.

0:46:230:46:29

A bit beyond.

0:46:310:46:32

Perfect.

0:46:320:46:33

In triangles, so you go like that, one, up, down,

0:46:340:46:38

so it will go there.

0:46:380:46:39

Same depth. That's it, lovely.

0:46:390:46:41

'The Three Counties Showground invited me to revitalise

0:46:420:46:47

'this garden here on site, which is a permanent garden

0:46:470:46:52

'which is used by a charity for adults with learning difficulties

0:46:520:46:56

'and for the local schoolchildren.'

0:46:560:46:58

The very first time I approached this garden

0:47:000:47:03

was down this cherry walk,

0:47:030:47:05

and there was a polytunnel, and it was all fragmented little rooms,

0:47:050:47:11

and it wasn't inviting.

0:47:110:47:13

So, when I designed it,

0:47:130:47:16

I designed it so that there was a centre that you could sit,

0:47:160:47:20

because in Ayurvedic medicine you sit in the middle of the garden

0:47:200:47:24

because that is healing.

0:47:240:47:26

The idea of the ellipse is, when you're in a low mood,

0:47:260:47:30

you always look at your feet.

0:47:300:47:32

You don't actually walk in straight lines

0:47:330:47:35

because you walk like this,

0:47:350:47:37

you walk as you go and you just follow your feet.

0:47:370:47:40

Now, if you've got an ellipse

0:47:400:47:41

you will just follow it all the way round

0:47:410:47:44

and it's very soothing.

0:47:440:47:45

The balance of the garden, it's all about health and wellbeing.

0:47:500:47:53

All the plants in it are all about health and wellbeing.

0:47:530:47:56

This corner of this bed is a seating area,

0:47:590:48:02

and I wanted the rosemary to sort of embrace the people

0:48:020:48:06

when they're sitting down

0:48:060:48:07

because rosemary is all about memory

0:48:070:48:10

and the actual scent of it promotes memory.

0:48:100:48:13

Everybody knows parsley, but parsley is so beneficial.

0:48:190:48:23

It makes your mouth water and it makes you feel hungry,

0:48:230:48:27

so if you've got someone who's lost their appetite,

0:48:270:48:30

all you've got to do is have fresh parsley mushed up with some eggs

0:48:300:48:34

or with mashed potato and then they get eating again.

0:48:340:48:37

And it's very high in iron and very high in minerals,

0:48:370:48:40

because it's got a long tap root which goes down into the soil

0:48:400:48:43

and brings it all back up into the leaf.

0:48:430:48:46

My love and passion for herbs started from childhood.

0:48:480:48:53

My grandmother was the most fantastic cook,

0:48:530:48:56

my mother had the most fantastic garden,

0:48:560:48:58

and I could tell the difference between apple mint and spearmint

0:48:580:49:01

before I went to school.

0:49:010:49:03

Every day, I'm learning something new.

0:49:070:49:09

I don't know of any other world where every day

0:49:090:49:14

you can have something given to you for free like gardening.

0:49:140:49:20

You've got cardoon, which is a bitter herb,

0:49:210:49:25

and it's the leaf ribs that are eaten

0:49:250:49:27

and that helps your digestion.

0:49:270:49:29

You've got lemon balm, and lemon balm relieves tiredness,

0:49:310:49:35

headaches and tension.

0:49:350:49:36

You've got woad.

0:49:380:49:39

That was used traditionally as a dye plant.

0:49:390:49:43

Now it's under research in Italy for its natural antibiotic properties.

0:49:430:49:48

There's so much, and there's so much in here that can be of use to man.

0:49:480:49:52

Well, we've nearly finished bed one.

0:49:570:50:00

Wonderful! It looks amazing, better than I imagined,

0:50:010:50:06

and I'm really chuffed.

0:50:060:50:07

I'm hoping that when people come into this garden at the show

0:50:100:50:13

they'll be able to sit down for five minutes,

0:50:130:50:16

breathe and relax,

0:50:160:50:20

have a cup of tea,

0:50:200:50:21

and then be able to go and face the show again.

0:50:210:50:24

Well, Jekka, this is fabulous!

0:50:370:50:40

We've even got a bluetit nesting in the box over there.

0:50:400:50:43

-Oh, really?

-Yeah.

0:50:430:50:45

And she's been flying in and out while I was tidying the place up.

0:50:450:50:49

Oh, this is wonderful. What a great space!

0:50:490:50:52

I love the way the heart of it is the seating area here.

0:50:520:50:55

You're just looking through your fantastic planting,

0:50:550:50:58

I have to say.

0:50:580:51:00

It's planted to grow, not for show.

0:51:000:51:02

Spacing of plants is very important,

0:51:020:51:05

and people see show gardens and think, "Pack them all in,

0:51:050:51:07

"don't leave any soil on show at all,"

0:51:070:51:09

but, you know, within six months you're taking plants out.

0:51:090:51:12

If you do give them space to grow

0:51:120:51:14

you'll actually get the shape of the plant,

0:51:140:51:16

and that's what's so beautiful.

0:51:160:51:18

And so they then kiss like that, and you've got the mounds.

0:51:180:51:21

But if you cram them together,

0:51:210:51:23

they all go up like that and you don't get that lovely flow.

0:51:230:51:27

And to see that it's already giving pleasure to so many people is magic.

0:51:270:51:32

Yeah. Well, I'm going to really look forward to coming back

0:51:320:51:35

-to this garden year-on-year.

-In two years' time, yes.

0:51:350:51:37

Yeah, and watching it grow and develop,

0:51:370:51:39

as a real gardener should.

0:51:390:51:41

-Well done, Jekka, it's beautiful.

-Thank you very much.

0:51:410:51:44

What a great show! I think this is the best show ever at Malvern.

0:51:520:51:55

Yeah, and that big marquee is splendid, isn't it?

0:51:550:51:58

I think it's superb.

0:51:580:51:59

What's your favourite bit, then, Carol?

0:51:590:52:01

I think it's got to be that Master Growers display.

0:52:010:52:04

The RHS are running this scheme, so at every show

0:52:040:52:07

one nursery is being asked to do a really big, wonderful exhibit,

0:52:070:52:13

and this time it's just out of this world.

0:52:130:52:16

They've got ferns, pelargoniums and ivies,

0:52:160:52:19

and the quality is just... It's utterly superb.

0:52:190:52:22

What about you?

0:52:220:52:24

Well, it's kind of overwhelming because it's my first Malvern,

0:52:240:52:27

so everything! But I think if I had to pick,

0:52:270:52:29

some of the alpines on the stands. I've got loads of succulents

0:52:290:52:32

and now I've just bought loads of alpines too,

0:52:320:52:34

because you can grow them everywhere,

0:52:340:52:36

just a bit of light, not much water.

0:52:360:52:37

-Good for me!

-Bit of grit.

-Yeah, exactly!

0:52:370:52:40

And the great thing about them is you can have lots, can't you?

0:52:400:52:42

Exactly, really cram them onto the window still.

0:52:420:52:45

Yeah, that sounds great.

0:52:450:52:46

My bit... This sounds a bit self-indulgent, this,

0:52:460:52:49

but I came up with the concept for a Plant Finder's Parlour

0:52:490:52:53

in the floor marquee. The idea is it's sort of Victoriana,

0:52:530:52:56

and the team here just picked up the idea and ran with it,

0:52:560:52:59

and so over the weekends there's going to be talks

0:52:590:53:01

and we're going to get nursery men and women up there

0:53:010:53:03

who are going to talk about the history of the plants and how those

0:53:030:53:07

Victorian plant-hunters travelled round the world,

0:53:070:53:09

those intrepid plant-hunters.

0:53:090:53:11

Yeah, and gave us all the plants that we grow in our gardens.

0:53:110:53:14

Yeah, exactly. How's that swing?

0:53:140:53:16

-I want a go!

-THEY LAUGH

0:53:160:53:18

You have a go, Carol. Go on, I'll push her.

0:53:180:53:21

-Go on.

-Can we both fit on?

0:53:210:53:22

And then we'll get an ice cream later.

0:53:220:53:25

Now, this is a proper day out.

0:53:250:53:26

I'm just giving this Clematis gouriana a little bit of support

0:53:420:53:45

so it can clamber into this Rosa Complicata

0:53:450:53:48

rather than sprawling all over the border.

0:53:480:53:51

Now, if what you've seen makes you feel you would like to

0:53:510:53:55

go along to Malvern, do. It's open till Sunday night

0:53:550:53:57

and if you go to the RHS website,

0:53:570:53:59

you'll get all the details about tickets and directions

0:53:590:54:02

and opening hours.

0:54:020:54:04

But there's no doubt about it,

0:54:040:54:06

the show is a lot more pleasant if the weather is good,

0:54:060:54:09

so let's go and see what the weather for the weekend has in store.

0:54:090:54:13

Well, whatever the weather,

0:55:130:55:14

and even if you're going to the show,

0:55:140:55:16

I'm sure you'll find time to do some jobs this weekend.

0:55:160:55:20

Here are some ideas.

0:55:200:55:21

If you grow peas they will need supporting,

0:55:310:55:34

otherwise they become a tangled heap.

0:55:340:55:36

Traditionally you use pea sticks,

0:55:370:55:39

which is the brushwood top part of bean sticks.

0:55:390:55:43

However, netting of any kind will do the job just as well,

0:55:430:55:46

but make sure it is firmly supported.

0:55:460:55:49

If you've got plenty of dahlias

0:55:550:55:57

it's a good idea to spread the flowering,

0:55:570:56:00

and you can do this by reducing them by a third or even a half,

0:56:000:56:04

cutting above a pair of leaves.

0:56:040:56:06

This will stimulate more side shoots,

0:56:060:56:09

which will carry more flowers,

0:56:090:56:11

albeit a little bit later than if you'd left them uncut.

0:56:110:56:14

At the beginning of the programme I was taking spent tulips

0:56:230:56:26

and their pots, and the idea is to lift them out the pot and dry them,

0:56:260:56:31

leaves, stems and all, and then keep the bulbs.

0:56:310:56:35

And in fact, I plant those in a nursery bed

0:56:350:56:38

and use them for cut flowers.

0:56:380:56:40

But if you grow tulips in the border,

0:56:400:56:42

as I have here in the Writing Garden, this is spring green,

0:56:420:56:45

you want them to reflower in the same place next year

0:56:450:56:48

as well as possible.

0:56:480:56:49

And a little job that will help that is to break off the seedheads,

0:56:490:56:53

because the formation of seed is taking energy away from

0:56:530:56:57

the formation of next year's bulb.

0:56:570:56:59

Don't take off the stem and certainly don't cut back the leaves,

0:56:590:57:03

let those die back naturally.

0:57:030:57:05

The goodness will go into the bulb and there's a fighting chance

0:57:050:57:08

you'll get a really good display next year.

0:57:080:57:10

I'm afraid there's no chance that we'll continue further on

0:57:100:57:13

today's programme because that's it, we've run out of time.

0:57:130:57:16

If you go to Malvern, have a fabulous time.

0:57:160:57:19

If you can't get there, well, enjoy your garden

0:57:190:57:22

and I look forward to seeing you back here at the same time next week

0:57:220:57:26

for another full one hour's programme.

0:57:260:57:28

Until then, bye-bye.

0:57:280:57:30

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