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If you turn your back on the town, if you take that village track up an unmade road | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
you'll find something absolutely extraordinary - Wales's hidden houses. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
In this series I'll be stepping back in time, | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
going over the threshold of some extraordinary places. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
I will be revealing secrets | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
and I'll be seeking out scandal-packed histories. Bricks and mortar? | 0:00:21 | 0:00:26 | |
They will never seem the same again. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
Today we are on the Isle of Anglesey | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
and the birthplace of the House of Tudor. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
Every Tudor house, every Tudor fireplace, every Tudor thing | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
really originated in this house, and the fact that Owain's surname, | 0:00:36 | 0:00:42 | |
as it was taken to be later was "Tudur" - Tudor. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
It has been a consolation prize for spurned love. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
The Marquis did actually propose to her and she turned him down. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
It has been a hovel, near rack and ruin | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
and now it is the home of a mountaineering magnate. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
It was a huge commitment, but from my point of view, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
it was a labour of love and it was a labour of love | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
for the family to live in and enjoy. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
I'm on Anglesey, ancient island of myths and mist. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
Everywhere you are surrounded by hints back to its dark past | 0:01:35 | 0:01:41 | |
and secretive links to the ancient Princes of Wales. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
But I am coming to this house, Plas Penmynydd because it has | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
the extraordinary distinction of being the family home | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
to one of the big-hitter royal brands of British history. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:00 | |
For the past 800 years, it has stood in the heart of rural Anglesey. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
It is a country house without grand pretensions, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
but for such a modest building, it has got a massive history. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
From the 13th century, these lands were home to one clan | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
who first ruled Anglesey as warriors and nobles, | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
then they ruled the world as kings and queens of England. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
This is very much a family home and is the ancestral family home of the Tudors. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:35 | |
You may know them better as Henry VII, Henry VIII and Elizabeth I. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:40 | |
Today it is the home of Richard Cuthbertson, the owner of a global climbing equipment business. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:47 | |
Richard bought the house 30 years ago | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
and together with his former wife, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
this is where they raised their family. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
Hello. You look wonderful, very baronial. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
Very "lord of the manor" there. Nice to see you. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
Nice to meet you too, Laurence. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
How old is what I am looking at now then? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
1576. We think it was rebuilt from an earlier house at that period. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
Why do suddenly, you turn a corner in a little overgrown path, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
see this rather random collection of rocks. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
What makes you suddenly fall in love with that and make this long-term commitment to it? | 0:03:17 | 0:03:22 | |
First of all it is in such a beautiful situation. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:25 | |
The history of the house is to die for. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
So many interesting people have lived here | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
and I was aware of that when I came to see it, of course. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Also, it is so quiet and peaceful. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
There is something about it that people have lived here for so long | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
they've obviously thought it a good place to be. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:42 | |
Structurally, did it have a roof, did it have windows? | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
Believe it or not, it was so overgrown here, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
that the outbuildings you see here, we didn't even know were there. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
They were completely covered by undergrowth, etc. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
The front of the house was covered in slates which were bedded in lime mortar. | 0:03:54 | 0:04:00 | |
A lot of what you have done here has a real sense | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
of liberating the original building from this rather... | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
..mealy-mouthed suburbanisation that happened under the Victorians. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:15 | |
I think, from the middle of the 1800s, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
maybe the late 1800s, the Tudors didn't have a very good press, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
for one reason, particularly here in Wales. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
Maybe the pride that you would have imagined people would have felt for their ancestral home | 0:04:27 | 0:04:35 | |
was somewhat suppressed and the consequence was | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
that their decorative schemes they used did not really | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
emphasise the fact that it is the ancestral home. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
How do the royal family today feel about it? | 0:04:46 | 0:04:48 | |
I have certainly spoken to Prince Charles about it and he is interested. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:54 | |
I think one day he may well want to come here. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
-Do you keep a nice full cake tin just in case? -Just in case. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
The best biscuits just in case he should drop by? | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
-I have to keep HIS biscuits, in that case. -Absolutely! -I can't quite afford those! | 0:05:03 | 0:05:08 | |
Let me have a look. I am intrigued by this... | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
by this history and this cast of characters. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
Did you just pitch up here with your toothbrush, sit down and think, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
look at this, this is all done or was there a lot to do in here? | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
There was a huge amount to do. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:49 | |
To be honest, you could not even think about doing all the work. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
You just had to take it task by task. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
Admiring Richard's handiwork, what is striking is how he has managed to | 0:05:55 | 0:06:00 | |
evoke medieval Wales while giving a cheeky nod to his own personality. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:06 | |
Unbelievably, the Plas looked like this 30 years ago. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
But following decades of neglect, Richard spent six years | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
lovingly restoring the house and outbuildings. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
It was a huge commitment, but from my point of view, it was a labour of love. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
It was a labour of love for the family to live in and enjoy. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
This is an emotional thing for you, this is a sort of real historical link. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:35 | |
Yes, it was saving a very important piece of heritage from my point of view. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
It's dominated by the fireplace. That is a real eye-catcher. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
When it was built, it would have been probably | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
something that people would have come from miles around to have a peek at. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
-Just to check out the fireplace. -Check out the fireplace. -Come and look at my inglenook. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
An inglenook doesn't go halfway, actually. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
It's big enough to have a reasonably sized party in, I think. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:59 | |
This must have been a jaw dropper when you walked through the door | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
to see a fireplace like this. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
When I came, in fact, there was a wall in the front here and just a small hearth in the middle. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:09 | |
-Really? -So you couldn't really tell what was behind at all. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
So part of the excitement was wondering what was behind that wall. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
So you started picking away at it. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
We sure did. On either side, we found these very interesting niches. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:23 | |
It really is quite special because there is a bit of moulding around the outside, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
then above you can see the fleur-de-lys which is, of course, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
the badge of Catherine of Valois, Queen of France and Queen of England. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
And that links the house to Catherine of Valois and therefore, it is a very important find. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:42 | |
A lovely house, but it is not dead posh, it is not dead grand, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
it is not terribly royal feeling, why on earth is there an emblem of | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
Queen of France/Queen of England? | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
The person who was born and lived here, Owain Tudur, married her | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
after the death of her husband, her first husband, Henry V. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
That, of course, is the connection of the Tudor line with this house | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
and with its famous ancestry afterwards. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
-This is Tudor central? -Absolutely. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
This is the absolute starting point from which anything Tudor comes? | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
Nothing would have been called Tudor if it hadn't been for Owain Tudur | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
living here and having that very romantic liaison with Catherine. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
Every Tudor house, every Tudor fireplace, every Tudor thing | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
really originated in this house, and the fact that Owain's surname, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
as it was taken to be later was Tudur, Tudor. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
Fascinating. Let's have a talk about Owain. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
Owain Tudur anglicised his name to Owen Tudor, | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
later becoming the grandfather of Henry VII, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
great-grandfather of Henry VIII, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
and great-great-grandfather of Elizabeth I. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
We know that Owain left Anglesey behind round about 1425 | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
to make a name for himself at the English court | 0:08:59 | 0:09:02 | |
and he managed that all right. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
The swaggering Anglesey lad caught the eye of the attractive young widowed queen of Henry V. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:10 | |
During a marriage that scandalised society, Catherine and Owain had five children. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
Amazingly, within 60 years of Owain's arrival in London, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
his grandson was crowned Henry VII, and a new world order had begun. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
But, just how did the young Welsh warrior Owain become the godfather of the Tudor dynasty? | 0:09:25 | 0:09:32 | |
We do have some descriptions of him. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
We know he was tall, that is for sure. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
More than one description describes him as handsome, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
we know that he was a good dancer, he was brave, a good swordsman, | 0:09:39 | 0:09:44 | |
so I think he would be a very fine figure. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
And there is the wonderful legend of the dowager Queen Catherine | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
looking out of her window one day at the river and seeing him | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
go down there and bathe and thinking what a fine figure of a man he was. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:59 | |
He was appointed as Keeper of the Wardrobe in the Queen's entourage. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:06 | |
-He was her Gok? -Well, not quite! | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
I think it was more of a name for a position. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
-He wasn't re-accessorising her and bringing in a cinched-in waist there. -I don't believe so. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:17 | |
But it was a high position in court, so he must have been well thought of | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
and I think that gave him access to the body of the Queen, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
as they would say, not literally, of course. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
But moving in those circles did mean they would see each other | 0:10:28 | 0:10:33 | |
and, of course, the famous scene in Shakespeare where he stumbles and falls into her lap | 0:10:33 | 0:10:39 | |
is often seen as the beginning of their romance. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
Tudor is such an incredibly big name to deal with | 0:10:41 | 0:10:46 | |
in historical terms, it is the big royal brand. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
and to think that these two world-changing monarchs | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
actually derive from your fireplace is extraordinary? | 0:10:57 | 0:11:03 | |
It is extraordinary, but somehow it encapsulates the energy, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
the bravery and the self-reliance that Owain had. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:11 | |
It almost feels as if this is one of the great moments | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
where a bit of energy and a bit of ability | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
is let into the British royal line by, you know, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:27 | |
taking this guy that could survive on his wits | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
rather than on his inheritance, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
-and it's like opening a door and letting the light in. -Absolutely. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
Then, through Henry VII, and obviously Henry VIII | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
and Elizabeth I, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
you get these intelligent, decisive, charismatic monarchs. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
Well, I think the Tudor monarchy brought about the Renaissance within Britain. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
And they brought a completely new style. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
The old order really died with Richard III | 0:11:55 | 0:11:59 | |
and the new order came with Henry VII. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
It seems that there is a very defined sort of Welshman | 0:12:03 | 0:12:08 | |
that can survive very well in England | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
with very little material resource, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
but through charm and mercurial tact and energy. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
-Somewhat like yourself! -I'm beginning to see myself in all of this, | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
exactly, in a foreign court! | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
But, long before the House of Tudor was making its royal mark on the world, | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
Plas Penmynydd was the local power base for Owain's ancestors. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
As you come out of the house, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:40 | |
you suddenly realise that it's almost like a little village here. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
You would expect outbuildings, but these are quite regular little hutches, almost. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:52 | |
The palace of a nobleman would have seven buildings. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
It was quite usual, certainly in medieval times, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
for the household offices - bakery, dairy, kennels, stable - | 0:12:58 | 0:13:04 | |
all to be in separate buildings, and the kitchen, too. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
So the likelihood is that the hall would have been used for feasting and sleeping | 0:13:07 | 0:13:13 | |
and then each of the outbuildings might have been used | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
for a particular domestic purpose. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
Back then, you were the top of a community. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
Without you, nobody got fed, nobody got watered. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
I think that is exactly right. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
They actually ran the court system as well, | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
-so even justice was dispensed by... -Well, there was no real centralised power | 0:13:30 | 0:13:34 | |
other than the disembodied concept of a royal family many, many hundreds of miles away. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:41 | |
But actually, on a day-to-day basis, | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
you or I, at the top of our tree, would have been him. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:48 | |
Yes. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:49 | |
What is becoming obvious to me | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
is that Owain's Welsh blood acted as rocket fuel to the English crown. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:03 | |
Owain himself was descended from ancient Welsh princes and nobles. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
Some of them are buried here at the Tudor family church up the road. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
Everywhere you look there are signs of brand Tudor, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
from the coat of arms to Henry VII's Tudor rose insignia. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
I'm hoping that historian Anthony Carr will shed a bit of light on | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
how the Tudor's Welsh pedigree helped Owain's grandson, Henry, secure the English crown. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:32 | |
Where does the Tudor dynasty start? | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
Well, as the ruling house, it starts, of course, with Henry VII's victory | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
And then, once Henry is proclaimed King of England, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
then that is the start of the Tudor age. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
Actually, Henry VII didn't really have anything like | 0:14:51 | 0:14:57 | |
the right kind of claim to be King of England, did he? | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
No, he was lucky. Henry was the right man in the right place. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
He had the credibility in Wales | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
because he is connected to all these people, he is related to so many of them. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
To the Welsh gentry, he was one of them. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
-They could see in him what could be open to them all. -Perfect. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
And then, once you get the Tudors on the throne, there is a feeling that all doors are open for Welshmen. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:25 | |
The thing about Henry VII is that actually, his son and heir, Henry VIII, | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
his terrible insecurity about not having a son, | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
which leads him to kill wives and divorce wives and goodness knows what, | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
is very much down to the fact that he knows it is a parvenu dynasty. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
It is, yes, and there are threats to it. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
You can understand Henry, really, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
that he is driven by this need for a male heir | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
because of the fear that if he doesn't, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:55 | |
then the civil war of a generation earlier might be repeated, | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
and that was the worst thing that could possibly happen. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
I have a certain amount of sympathy for Henry VIII in that. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
Owen Tudor wasn't just an Anglesey lad made good. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
He was an Anglesey lad made extremely good. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
What he didn't know that his grandson Henry | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
would end up at the very top of that ladder, as English king. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
And after Henry, Henry VIII, Elizabeth I, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
two of the most iconic monarchs the British throne would ever see. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
But what was wonderful was that the House of Tudor made sure they repaid that debt to the Welsh. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:39 | |
For the first and only time in history, a badge of Wales, the dragon of Cadwallader, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
becomes absorbed into the national insignia and symbology of Britain | 0:16:44 | 0:16:50 | |
for the first and only time. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
It clear to me now that the Tudors' dynamism and resourcefulness is down to their Welsh roots. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:03 | |
Their rule lasted 118 years from 1485 to 1603, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
and Tudor genes are an important ingredient of today's Royal Family. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
Thanks to Richard's restoration, Plas Penmynydd now proudly bears | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
the Tudor coat of arms once again, and reminders of their blood link to this house are everywhere. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:23 | |
Rather reluctantly, I am going to have to say goodbye | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
and move on from the lover, the legend that was Owen Tudor. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
But history in this house didn't stop with him. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
For a start, there was the extraordinary week when Oliver Cromwell came to stay. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:48 | |
Not that I'm claiming he left his helmet behind. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
One thing is for sure, I am going to have to go downstairs and find out more about the rest of the house. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
This is a very snug snug. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
-It is the snuggest of snugs, isn't it? -Is this your lair? | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
It sort of is, to tell you the truth, because I can come in here | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
and start looking through books and never stop, really. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
This is extraordinary. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
The last Tudor to live here of the direct line, Angharad, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
died as an only child, childless herself, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
in about 1680, and the then house went by reversion | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
to the Buckley family, who were a great landowning family from Beaumaris. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:31 | |
And that is the Buckley coat of arms. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
There seems to be an insertion there? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
-Well, of course... -Who is this RCK? | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
RC is supposed to be me. K is Kerry, my ex-wife. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
C and E are my two daughters, Cara and Estelle. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
1979 was when the house was bought. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
So it was put there is a bit of fun. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:50 | |
But of course, it started just as a bit of fun, but 1979 now sounds like quite a long time ago. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:56 | |
It is quite a decent history as it is. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
I think that doesn't feel like an intrusion, and it shouldn't feel | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
like an intrusion, because you do seem to fit very, very naturally. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
Just what you have done in here is absolutely perfect for a space like this. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:14 | |
I am imagining that you have put in the bookcases and the panelling. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
Strangely enough, the only thing really that there was | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
in this room were the ceiling beams and the panelled wall. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:25 | |
-And so all of the outside panelling and everything else, the floor etc, is all new work, so, yes. -Marvellous. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:31 | |
Well, I think it is a wonderful, very clubby, gentlemen's retreat. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
We have actually only travelled a few feet physically, but it feels like time-travel, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
because we are suddenly in a completely different century. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
And when is this from, because it has a very, very characteristic feel to it? | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
Yes. There was a date in the torching of the plasterwork of 1811, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
and that would fit, architecturally, with the features that we see here, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
the bigger window, the higher ceilings and the feel of a Georgian comfortable dining room. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:12 | |
You have got a very impressive piano full of royalty here. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
Inch for inch, there is probably more regality than I have seen on any piano before. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
And look, you are in all of them, friends in very high places. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
But these are interesting, because we are very used to you | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
as a sort of relaxed surfer squire in your shorts | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
and everything, but actually, you have been very involved | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
in a lot of very specific, very high-profile heritage work, almost. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:44 | |
-How long were you chairman of the National Trust here in Wales? -For 10 years, or nearly 11 years. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
It was a wonderful job for me, because it was so close to my heart. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:55 | |
Looking at the beautiful places, I'm a keen mountaineer, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
a keen surfer, so the beaches and the mountains were absolutely... | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
If only you were interested in old houses as well. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
And there you go! You have got the three in one. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
There are bits of this place that are making me think that that you probably pre-haunt it. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
I think you have been here for many, many, many lifetimes. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:14 | |
I have been here in another life. I like that idea. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
But you came here by a very, very odd route in many respects, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:21 | |
because you started off as an executive for Heinz. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
Let's keep the parents happy, let's get a nice, straightforward job... | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
-A proper career. -In beans. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
Live in London, and do those things. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Exactly. But then it goes a bit Reggie Perrin. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
-Well... -A little bit, you're not the corporate fella. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
Some strange insect must have bitten me and brought me to North Wales rock-climbing. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
And I just fell in love with the mountains. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
I am a Scot originally, so I've always liked mountains. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
And I had the Reggie Perrin moment of thinking, is the rest of my life going to be working as an executive | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
in London, or am I going to do something physical | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
and indulge my real joy of climbing? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
What was it like for the family? This is a moment of total empathy. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
Because I'm constantly insisting that they live | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
in virtually Iron Age conditions whilst the roof comes off our home or something is being redone. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
But did you get a lot of moaning, "oh, Dad, please can I have a carpet in my bedroom?" | 0:22:22 | 0:22:27 | |
No, I don't think I got that sort of reaction. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
And of course, the situation and the grounds around the house were just a perfect playground. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:37 | |
Very early in their lives, they fell in love with horses, and so that was very helpful to me, too. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:42 | |
But I can always remember my youngest daughter's biggest complaint about | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
when we went out was, are we going to see another field of stones, Daddy? | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
I'm sure this house is very relieved to be owned by you. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
Because it does, as I say, have a very real sense of attracting strong | 0:22:53 | 0:22:58 | |
personalities, of attracting people that like the big brush strokes. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:04 | |
But it was a bit of a competitive tender in the early days. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
You were against a quite major player. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:09 | |
That's right. Anglesey Council, obviously realising the historical significance of the house, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
were very keen that they should have it, and in a way, I supported them too. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:19 | |
But that didn't come through for one reason or another, and it is just simply gave me the chance | 0:23:19 | 0:23:25 | |
to buy it, and the situation was difficult, | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
because it was a trust fund that owned it at that time. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
But the majority of the members obviously thought | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
that I looked like a suitable person to have it, and I am very grateful to them. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:43 | |
It is safe to say that if Richard hadn't come along, this place would | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
have been a museum rather than a home. It is the only Tudor family house still in private ownership. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:54 | |
But I am also intrigued by the story of one of the last big characters to live here before Richard. | 0:23:54 | 0:24:00 | |
80 years ago, the very fearsome Maggie Rowlands was a tenant farmer | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
who rather suddenly ended up owning the lands and house. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
I have been told that she had a very close relationship | 0:24:11 | 0:24:16 | |
with the son of the then Lord Anglesey, | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
but for some reason, they couldn't actually agree to go forward to marriage. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:25 | |
Do think that might have been the shower cap holding them back? | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
I suspect that if I were him, I would be worried about someone wearing a shower cap. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:34 | |
Anyway, as a result of that, if there was a forthcoming marriage, it was called off. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:40 | |
But they didn't buy the freehold. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
They were given the freehold. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
And I rather think that must have been as compensation for perhaps not continuing. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
I wonder whether any of Maggie Rowlands' family can confirm any of these romantic rumours. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:56 | |
Now, ah. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
I have got a posse here. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:01 | |
You will probably be extremely interested to see this. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:06 | |
-Wow! -Way-hey! What a shirt! | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
Look at her! | 0:25:09 | 0:25:10 | |
I think this sheds a lot more light | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
on to the stories of her and Lord Anglesey. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
They were courting. They used to go riding. She was a great horsewoman. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
The story goes that the Marquis did actually propose to her, and she turned him down. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:28 | |
-So it was her? -Silly woman! | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
Well, she certainly looks like a woman that really knows her own mind. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
She is not going to be blinded by the glamour of aristocracy. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
Nobody messed about with Maggie, apparently. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
It is wonderful to feel that we have got a little bit of a resolution there. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
If you were given an opportunity to do all this again, would you do it? | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
Don't think about it. Would you do it? | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
Yes. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
I haven't enough years left, probably, but if the challenge presented itself, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
particularly if the feeling was that if I didn't do it, that bit of history might disappear forever, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:26 | |
-I don't think I could resist that challenge. -The lure of history. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
The lure of history, and the lure of feeling that you have saved | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
a little bit of it, I have to say, is quite a strong motivator. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
And you enjoy living with history? | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
Completely. I sort of live in a dream world, in a way, where travelling across Anglesey, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:44 | |
I think of the Druids, of the people before the Druids, of the history. I think of all those things. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:49 | |
-Some bloke called Tudor lived here. -I sometimes think of him too. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
I was slightly surprised when I first met you that Henry the dog | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
had such an ordinary Henry the dog-type name, | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
but I am beginning to understand now that Henry is only half the story. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
Well, when he was young, he used to take our shoes, which he still does now. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
But he doesn't do what he did then, which was to chew them to pieces, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
and so his nickname became Henry Chewed-Up. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
So, from Henry Chewed-Up, it was a very small | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
move to get him to be Henry Tudor. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
Does the house have the last word, though? | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
Is it true to say that that the inscription on the outside, which is...? | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
"Peractus est opus, laus deo." "Praise the Lord, at last the work is finished." | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
-Is the work finished for you here? -Well, no. I don't think the work ever would finish, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
because the grounds are very nice, you can always do more work there. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
And people will come after me, and they will have different ideas about how the house should look. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:47 | |
So I think it is something that will go on for a long time yet. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
I will agree with you there. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
No, you know what? I don't think Richard's work is done here at all. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
Like most of the people that have lived here, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
most of the people that have loved this place, his energy | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
and sheer bloody-minded individuality appear to be boundless, | 0:28:13 | 0:28:17 | |
and I think it is wonderful | 0:28:17 | 0:28:19 | |
that today's chapter in the history of Penmynydd includes a surfing squire, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
a former head of the National Trust of Wales, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
who has done so much to restore the history, the craggy Tudor royalty of this place. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:33 |