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Television costs money.

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So much money, it would make your head spin around.

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Even a programme like this, which is low budget in telly terms, costs around £47,667 per episode.

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£47,667, per episode.

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Well, it does.

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And stop interrupting me.

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Still, 47 grand, eh?

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Imagine what you could do with that.

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-It's not enough to do something sensible with, but it easy enough to do something silly with.

-Buy a car.

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Clothes.

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-I'd definitely give some money to charity.

-Pay off my debts.

-Clothes.

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-Book a nice holiday.

-Get out of this country.

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We should probably just have let them have it, to be honest.

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Anyway, outside the world of telly, that figure might seem astronomically high.

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How does it break down?

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Well, even this sequence, in which all that's happening is

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I'm talking to you, this costs more than you might think.

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For starters, there's the camera guy.

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He's hired together with all his equipment from a facilities house.

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Furthermore, he's shooting on Digi Beta, because it looks nicer than this.

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This is DV, which is cheaper and simpler to operate, but looks a bit bleary and grim by comparison.

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That's better! Anyway, the camera guy, the camera itself, and the sound man cost around £850 a day.

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-Here you go you fleecing

-BLEEP!

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Then, there's the rest of the production team to consider.

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We've got a series producer, who keeps things all together.

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An assistant producer, who assists him.

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Two archive researchers, who dig up old clips.

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Another researcher who researches whatever it is that he does.

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A runner, who has to fetch me coffee every time I clap my hands. Run!

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A production manager, who balances the books.

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A production co-ordinator, who co-ordinates shit, and this man,

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who we pay to stand in a corner of the office feeding bank notes into a shredder. Not now!

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And then finally, there's me - the talent. Amazingly, this lot costs around £1,900 a day.

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-Here you go, you useless, sponging

-BLEEP!

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Then, there's the cost of post-production,

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ie an edit suite, where we chop everything visual together.

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And add filters like this, or this...

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Make the picture do things like this, or add graphics like this...

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There's also an audio dub, so we can add voice-overs

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and mix it all together properly so it doesn't sound rubbish like this.

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Next, there's clearance. Let's say I want to show you a clip from an old episode of Clopper Castle.

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I say, I say, I say, what goes up when the rain comes down?

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I don't know. What does go up when the rain comes down?

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An umbrella!

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That's copyrighted material, which has to be paid for.

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Unless actually, you're showing it for the purposes of

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criticism and review, in which case you can often use it for nothing.

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Unfortunately, I'm not criticising or reviewing that at all,

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which means that old puppet nonsense has just cost the production £500.

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And it's not just moving images we have to pay for.

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Simply by holding up his copyrighted photo of former Environment Secretary John Selwyn Gummer,

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I've cost the production another £50.

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I don't even want to.

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Every time you see a photo like this in the background of a TV show, chances are someone has had to pay

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to clear it. And these are just the things you can see.

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There are loads of other costs, which are on your screen now if you're that bothered.

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Given how much our modest half hour sets the world back,

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imagine how much it costs to make something like this.

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Horses are notoriously expensive.

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They insist on being driven to the set every day in individual carts.

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Madness.

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That's a court room. They had to build that 10,000 times actual size apparently.

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That judge's wig, that's not a wig, that's a rare orchid.

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Telly is a terrifyingly expensive business.

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It's not surprising some shows try to claw back some of that cash any which way they can.

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From bomb blast to barrage balloons, Spitfires to spaceships, the Blitz has never been seen like this before.

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It's getting away from us!

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Doctor Who Confidential is about to track down the men in the firing line, who have brought

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these special effects to life.

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OK, maybe not this T-shirt.

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As soon as the scripts are there, we've broken it down into a schedule.

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We go to a tone meeting, which is the first time where

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the design team, the CGI team, make-up and costume come together.

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We talk about what's at the heart of the episode.

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Every scene is night. It's a blackout.

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I also think we've got to think about bursts of colour and energy.

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It's a great episode to look at effect.

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There's a number of physical effects

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that have post-production effects added.

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Particularly things like Rose, flying over London, is extraordinarily difficult to do.

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I remember these two episodes landing on my desk. Page 4, Rose's flies across London

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on a barrage balloon, during a Blitz air raid.

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It's a really easy thing for Stephen to have typed.

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It's even easier to read.

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But to try and translate into reality is a nightmare.

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I assumed I'd be reined in and I have to say, they did not rein in.

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They let me do whatever I liked.

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Meantime, Rose is climbing up the cable.

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I'm assuming what we've got here is a fire escape that takes you to the

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top of a roof, and then there's another bit, which she couldn't otherwise access but for this cable.

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We can then on location get her up to that, and maybe find another

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location for the last bit of the climb, which might make it a bit more controllable.

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-More shootable.

-Yes.

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Which brings me to barrage balloons.

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The problem with Rose flying over London is that you're talking about 360-degree effects.

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The CGI team's feeling is that doing it against a green screen and

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somehow moving or the background is going to look considerably pony.

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She could have been completely in the studio, against green screen.

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She's got to be hanging there, for real.

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In a certain shot, she's actually in the open air.

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It's on a very cheap hill, just outside Cardiff.

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A very cheap hill!

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And then, you have her against a night sky.

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Green screen on the floor, on to which you can put anything you like.

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Practical smoke.

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Practical couple of searchlights.

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What you get are some of the textures and effects on her, and the close-ups.

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There's a real wind blowing on her.

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You can see bits of rain.

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The whole picture is a different texture because of that.

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How much has the mill got to do? How much have you guys got to do?

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I'm not worried about what we've got to do, I'm just worried about Rose

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hanging on the hillside, in the cold, in a T-shirt, in December.

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Purely that, really.

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It took us two separate days to film.

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We filmed part of it with Billie Piper, who's completely game

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and completely up for doing things like this, suspended from a crane,

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inside our warehouse, against a green screen, with a huge wind machine underneath her.

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Guys!

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I find when acting with a green screen,

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you have to think twice as hard.

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It can be taxing, it can be quite exhausting.

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Then we went to a different hangar, that was even bigger,

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it was an aeroplane hangar, actually, and got an even bigger crane.

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And this time,

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we filmed her against the night sky, with another huge wind machine,

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moving and all that flying stuff, and the flying around.

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And the big fall from the barrage balloon.

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SHE SCREAMS

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She's not very high up, but she's more higher up than I'd care to be.

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There's a real drop, there's a real physical danger with the

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CGI elements that makes her look hundreds of feet in the air.

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And then, the mill come along and add the CGI London and the view of

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the streets, and the beautiful romantic shots of London at night.

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The main problem is

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getting reference for top shots of London.

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We've employed a technique, photogrammetry. What we've done is taken a top shot reference of London.

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We have then, in the computer, created the geometry for the

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buildings, so that there's this kind of rough and crude 3D model.

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We have a sort of starting map painting and an end map painting,

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to project the picture on to the geometry of London, which means we can move the camera.

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Around the world, advertising has always been the biggest source of funding for TV.

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Now, it's under threat. The amount of advertising revenue

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coming into British TV

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is in steep decline.

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It's down £100 million in the last eight years.

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One of the reasons is that TV is now competing against the internet for advertising.

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That's a particularly bad problem here in the UK.

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We now find the internet has a share of total advertising of about 25%,

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and Google 2009, will be a media player almost the same size as ITV.

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As digital technology now allows viewers to choose from hundreds of channels, and even skip

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the commercial breaks, broadcasters are having to cut the fees they charge advertisers for airtime.

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The cost of reaching say 1000 adults is roughly now about £4.50.

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The average price about eight or nine years ago was nearly £7.

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There's no other market anywhere in the world who has

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seen the cost of their television advertising fall at that rate.

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It's not just the commercial channels feeling the pain.

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Public service broadcasters everywhere, such as the BBC,

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are having to find new sources of funding, to meet the demands of the rapidly-changing media landscape.

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Wayne Garvie's role is to find ways to supplement the income the BBC receives from licence fee payers.

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The economics of the television industry

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have changed fundamentally in the last few years.

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Now, it's all about can you access funding from around the world?

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You have to have an international strategy, and you have to be out networking internationally.

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Over the past decade, Britain has come to lead the world in

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the export of one particular type of television programme - the format.

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-What are you here for today, Paul?

-To sing opera.

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Some of the most successful in recent years are made by Freemantle Media.

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All format really is is an emotional journey. It's a story.

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HE SINGS OPERA

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CHEERING

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It has tears, it has laughter, it has everything, and a great resolution.

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That can apply to a game show, to a talent show, it can apply to a drama.

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They can all be formats.

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HE SINGS OPERA

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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So, you work at Carphone Warehouse...

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LAUGHTER

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..And you did that.

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From a business point of view, a format is something that

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can be repeated every single day for decades.

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53% of the world's formats now originate in the UK.

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One reason is that in the past, we've been able to spend more on

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our programmes than virtually any other country,

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due to the strength of our public service broadcasters.

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We're used to a lot of original, new programmes and short series,

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commissioned every year by many channels.

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Whereas in many other countries, they don't commission original ideas off paper.

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This home market and its propensity by broadcasters to buy original ideas

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has given us a terrific platform to become a world class exporter.

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Strictly Come Dancing has been the BBC's most commercially successful formatted show.

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Versions have been screened in over 40 countries,

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including in America, where it's known as Dancing With The Stars.

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This is a dance competition, and as much as you were lighter

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on your feet, more so this week than ever,

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you were still very heavy. Your shoulders were hunched.

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-Bruno Tonioli?

-Four.

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The media knows that it's a format has originated in the UK.

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I think, every territory makes it their own.

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It's their show.

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Each country has their own celebrities, their own dancers, their own judges.

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HE SPEAKS IN HIS NATIVE TONGUE

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And it becomes part of the national consciousness.

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The British show was fully funded by the TV licence fee.

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But, a very different funding model for television dramas

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and big factual series is envisaged by one of the show's creators.

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We're going to see a future which is very similar to the film industry.

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People are often puzzled, aren't they, by the credits that appear at the beginning of movies.

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There seems to be 101 people involved.

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Films are financed by a patchwork of money, collected from various places around the world.

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We're now beginning to see this in television.

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You only have to look at the credits at the end of a production to realise that, actually, shows that appear to

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be British have actually also been part-funded by European distributors, American distributors.

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That's going to be the model moving forward.

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One of the biggest challenges facing the forest team was how to bring a static tree to life on the screen.

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The solution is usually to move the camera but how did they do it?

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The team's favourite tool was the cinebulle or film balloon,

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here being readied by pilot and inventor Danny.

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With Danny, Planet Earth took the cinebulle to all corners of the

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globe but it was the trip to film the baobab trees in Madagascar

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that was to prove the most memorable.

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I have never ever been in anything like this before.

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I am

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slightly nervous of it,

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partly because it is, basically, a deck chair with

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a balloon on top and partly because I can see where my head is going to be.

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It is going to be incredibly close to that burner.

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I do have a fear of heights.

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I mostly have a fear of falling through them on to the ground.

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I think I am happy with this.

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It has a little seat belt and

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the BBC health and safety is always very good.

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The boxes are always ticked, all signed off, the proper forms and everything.

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I am

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sure this will be fine.

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Puzzled locals take the ringside seats.

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Warwick takes the seat no-one else wants.

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Set for take off.

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FLAME ROARS

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Oh, my giddy aunt!

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CINEBULLE WHIRS

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Finally they are off.

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At last we've got the cinebulle here and we have got fuel.

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As long as the wind stays good and they don't land in Mozambique,

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we should be absolutely fine.

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The shots we are looking for are shots that rotate around

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baobab trees and show their three-dimensional structure.

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Warwick and Danny will need to communicate together really closely to pull off the shots like that,

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which will be interesting because you can hardly here over the fan and Danny's English isn't amazing.

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I think they will have some interesting time up there.

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-How much control do we have?

-What?

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-How much control do we have?

-Not very much.

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Danny is quite a flamboyant Frenchman and Warwick is reserved, sarcastic, rather English.

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They are either going to get on really well or it is going to be a disaster.

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Buoyed by assurances of Danny's exemplary safety record,

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Warwick frames up on his first baobab.

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Ooh!

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BRANCHES SNAP

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I go down. Sorry.

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Luckily, neither the tree nor the crew seemed too damaged.

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Stupid, I am stupid.

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-You OK?

-Yes, just.

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-OK?

-Just minor flesh wounds.

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-With half a propeller and a rigged exhaust, the cinebulle is harder to steer.

-This is a good area.

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We go straight through there?

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Undeterred, the pair hit their stride.

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That's nice.

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That's great.

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That's good, there's a nice constant speed.

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Lovely.

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Many of Planet Earth's finest images would have been impossible without

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passionate and devoted specialists like Danny.

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May they always be out there.

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Here we go again.

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Arghhh!

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Hi there, welcome to a very special Match Of The Day unplugged.

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Today, we have got an access all areas pass to take you behind the scenes on Football Focus.

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Just so you can see how hard we work of course.

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Welcome to the BBC sports studios in Vienna where we are rehearsing for Football Focus.

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We have four cameras here. Camera one is doing the main presenter camera.

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We have two cameras that cover the pundits,

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one of them does a two shot, this does a single.

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I operate this and pan between the two.

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Then we have the crane camera which is being operated by Phil at the moment.

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I can do nice little drops and moves in between the chat.

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I'm the prompt operator, we both are.

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Lisa is as well. I am doing it at the moment but we juggle the job between the two of us.

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Whatever Jake reads out, we prompt it for him so it makes him look

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fantastic and like he knows what he's talking about.

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This is the BBC's production office. We have loads of different desks.

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All the shows that we make out here, Football Focus, the highlights programme, Match of the Day,

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they all are created and scripted and prepared in this room.

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Through the door over there, we have the gallery which

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controls the live studio even though the studio is a couple of miles away.

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The gallery is here. Through there, behind you, are the edit areas. Go and have a look around.

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This is one of the edits.

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They are working hard at cutting a Dutch colour piece and I had better let them work.

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I'm Steve and I am the editor of Football Focus.

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It's Friday, just gone half past five in Vienna in the evening.

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I'm just trying to finalise the running order and what we want in the show tomorrow.

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The second half of the draw, the quarter-finals are yet be decided.

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We name check them...

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Typically in the job, what you have to do is take calls from the crews on the road.

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They'll be telling you what they can get, what they are trying to get and eventually what they have got.

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Then they have to try and put that together and feed it back to here in time for the show.

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You don't normally know exactly what you have got until quite close to when you are going on air.

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Sometimes not even then. That's part of the fun of it.

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I'm Ian, the producer of the show.

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I direct the programme as well.

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My job is to take what Steve has put down on paper and try and make it into a TV show

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and make it will happen with the graphics, VTs, cameras, light, sound, all that stuff.

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Hopefully, everything will go OK, fingers crossed. Show should be a good one.

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Computers shutting down, scripts have been written,

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VTs have been watched, the show is about as prepped as it can be.

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I probably need some make-up so I now have a very glamorous three-stop tube journey across Vienna to the studio.

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What is it now? Quarter past 10 so we are live in less than two hours.

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12, 11,

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-10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, one.

-BBC ANNOUNCER SPEAKS

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On air.

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The sun went down on Croatia's campaign last night.

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..the stadium nicknamed the bathtub....

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After torrential downpour which led to UEFA having to relay the pitch...

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It's going well. Just trying to work out the timings now.

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We've to get off air at the right time so hopefully we'll be able to do that successfully.

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7, 6, 5, 4,

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3, 2, one, stop talking. 15.

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Two more quarter-finals to get our teeth into this weekend but no more for Croatia as they become

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the 10th and latest team to bid the tournament farewell.

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These competitions aren't good for the nerves, you know.

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Perfect, thank you.

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Mustoe Merriman Herring Levy, a London-based advertising agency,

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has over the last year been working

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on a new campaign to relaunch one of the most British of brands.

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Dr Martens.

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To do this, they are making a series of press advertisements

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for a campaign to be seen in Europe and America.

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With the concept agreed, all they have to do now is make them.

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If I said to you, Dr Martens, you will say a black boot.

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That's the danger. That is what we are facing.

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During the 1970s and 80s, Dr Martens enjoyed phenomenal success as a fashion icon,

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but by the mid-90s, with the arrival of trainer culture

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and an increasingly competitive marketplace,

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they could no longer rely on their previous cult status to shift their shoes.

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They hope this advertising campaign, called World of Feet,

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will redefine their brand and open it up to a much broader audience.

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The whole idea of this campaign is to change consumer perception of the brand.

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Understand we've got a wide range, we do sandals, we have kids, the fashion element,

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the traditional element, and keep people's perception going.

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From the boots the postman wears, the boots the guy on the London Underground wears,

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through to wow, that's a shoe that I want.

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That is really fashionable, that's me, I need to have.

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Basically, 18-24-year-olds, there is a hugely over-targeted group.

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That age group see so much advertising, they see straight through it.

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They know exactly what the message is so it is quite a tricky line to tread.

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# It's not class or ideology, colour, creed or roots

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# The only thing that unites us is Dr Marten's boots!

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# Dr Marten gave boots to the world

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# So that everybody could be free

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# They're classless, matchless, heat-resistant, waterproof and retail for only £19.99p. #

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Dr Martens is a brand that hasn't needed to carry out advertising.

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Sales have been phenomenally high.

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# Dr Martens,

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# Dr Martens, Dr Martens boots. #

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Bo-ring. Don't you has-beens ever read the NME?

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What happened to the revolution?

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God, you'd think Devil Woman had never been written!

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People perceive Dr Martens as the black boot brand.

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The product we were taking to them was very different.

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Open Air Wear which is not what you would expect of Dr Martin.

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It is a sandal.

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We had a need for a French, UK and USA advertising, so I went

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with them and said we want one brand advertising for these three markets.

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This is what it needs to do. It needs to change people's perception of the brand.

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It needs to make people stand back and say, "Wow, Dr Martens make them?"

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They came to us initially about a small project for sandals.

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We went back to them and said it is all very well

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looking at sandals and yes we can do some advertising for sandals,

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but there is a whole big picture going on here which is

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you cannot divorce the sandals from the rest of the range and the brand itself and the heritage behind it.

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Unless you address that issue,

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you are really wasting your time playing around at the edges with the sandals.

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The first thing they did which was part of the pitching process

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was they said, "There is no way which we can understand your brand

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"or respond to this brief without understanding your brand properly."

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They commissioned research into the brand.

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I used to love those shoes.

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I had to have a pair when I was in the 8th grade.

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"My first pair of boots, I was upset when they went out" and that really sums it up.

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She was upset when they went out because she likes them but they have gone out.

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I have some nice graffiti on my responses.

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The campaign we have got to is deliberately...

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bizarre.

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One of the problems with Dr Martens is as a consumer, I know what Dr Martens stands for,

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I have icons and history and images in my head that are readily associated with Dr Martens.

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Therefore, I ignore them.

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I know what they stand for, I don't need to find out more. I don't need to be told more.

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We needed a campaign that would shake people out of that complacency, those preconceptions.

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The agency team visits Dr Martens' Northampton base to present

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the four poster treatments to the American and British marketing directors

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to get their final approval before they discuss the forthcoming commercial treatment.

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The rule is you have about three seconds to capture somebody with a printed or press ad.

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People are turning through a magazine or going through a newspaper

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and they haven't bought that magazine or newspaper to look at the ads.

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They have bought it for the articles. You have to interrupt that process.

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You have to tell the whole story in a picture.

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It's really hard when you look at the layout pad and you have got

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a very bad drawing on it by an art director who can't draw.

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They are not paid to draw, they are paid to come up with ideas.

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You are looking at the scribble on a piece of paper.

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In this case, it's a foot, upside down at a dinner table,

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whatever the executions were. You are looking at that.

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The first thing is try and imagine what it would look like for real

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which in itself is quite a leap, particularly in this case.

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Then you have to imagine the impact of that on the consumer.

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There are lots of imaginative leaps

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along the way and it is quite hard to learn how to do.

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I remember when I first got into the industry,

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during meetings and seeing people saying, that is a brilliant ad.

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I'd look at it and think, is it?

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I can't tell. I don't know.

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I think if you don't please yourself with what you do,

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there's no point in doing it really. If you're doing stuff that

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makes everybody else happy and you're looking at it and thinking, I don't really like it, then it's a mistake.

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Obviously, you were doing advertising, so that's what it's about.

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It's not personal work.

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If it's personal work, you've got a different agenda.

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Creatively, it's a great job.

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It's probably a perfect job for me because I love photography, digital work and it's...

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it's this lovely

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surrealness to this brief.

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The bit that might possibly surprise to his how good it looks

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because we're all very excited about it.

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That shoe on the Jacuzzi was just fantastic.

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Yes. I'm not starting with that one.

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And starting with the men's power strap.

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In the CD store, the record store. Are you ready?

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-How about that?

-Wow.

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How about that?

0:31:220:31:23

Those feet are so less ugly than they were before.

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They've started putting in other touches but we want to get the basics right.

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Make sure you're happy with the basics before we spend more time on it.

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But there are some fantastic details already.

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You've got, if you look up here, the exit sign in the mirror.

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You've got... sandals, one there.

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One in here. They're dotted around so they're small features

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which actually, when you see the crops...

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Some of these things will come up in the landscape shot.

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Great attention to detail. It's lovely. Outside and...

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we're divided in the agency, which is our favourite.

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We're backing both of these horses but there's your Jacuzzi shot.

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-Wow.

-That's you, look at it.

-Boom.

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This ice is one thing they're not quite happy about.

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They're going to carry on working on that, make it look a bit wetter.

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-The attention to detail is absolutely amazing.

-Stunning, isn't it?

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The last one,

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ah yes, the garage.

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Coldest of all our venues.

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Which is just a lot of fun.

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It's another one which is just taking steps, leaps forward.

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But there's still things they want to work on here.

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A couple of errors like here.

0:32:510:32:54

Pipes coming out of nowhere at the moment because they've comped that in.

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They want to add some of the grease to this foot in the foreground, the same with this one in the background

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that's working on the cars.

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It's really funny because I thought these two were going to be the strongest.

0:33:090:33:12

-Did you?

-I prefer the other two.

-For me, the product is definitely less strong in that one.

0:33:120:33:17

Clearly, there's more work to be done on at least two of the four press advertisements.

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Often you have irrelevant images that then have a product bolted on the end.

0:33:280:33:34

Like you have a shoe in the corner and you think, I don't know why we've got the rest of the ad.

0:33:340:33:39

I don't know how it relates to it. I think what's great about these is they're different and relevant.

0:33:390:33:45

They're completely about the product.

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Also do something to get your attention and get you engaged.

0:33:490:33:54

People look at it and they aren't quite sure how to judge it.

0:33:540:33:58

I think that's a function of the fact that it's an advertiser coming in for a fashion brand.

0:33:580:34:03

That tends to be how fashion brands work.

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You don't explain yourself too much, and that's what a lot of those ads that you look at now and think,

0:34:060:34:13

I don't know what they're saying but I like it.

0:34:130:34:17

# What have we got? What have we got? #

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When the '60s arrived, the fashion image was transformed again.

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And pretty much thanks to one man, David Bailey.

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That's lovely. Hang about, that's marvellous.

0:34:420:34:45

Good, open your mouth, darling.

0:34:450:34:47

Before David Bailey, fashion photography in Britain was still a gentleman's trade.

0:34:470:34:52

Bailey broke through all that bringing an energy, charm and incredible life to his images.

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Let your eyes come down to me. No, keep that hand where it is.

0:34:580:35:01

And lean slightly... that's it.

0:35:010:35:03

Head back where it was, and just your eyes I'm interested in.

0:35:030:35:06

For me, Bailey is the perfect fashion photographer,

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combining technical brilliance with sheer force of personality

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to create pictures that have a sense of total spontaneity.

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He created some of the most iconic images of the '60s,

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and many of them were of his great muse and lover, Jean Shrimpton.

0:35:230:35:29

It's a picture of Jean Shrimpton that I'm going to

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recreate with my girlfriend under the watchful eye of the man himself.

0:35:310:35:35

I thought it would be a nice affinity between the two images if we use her,

0:35:350:35:38

even though she's got blonde hair and doesn't really have Jean's profile.

0:35:380:35:44

Yes, otherwise she's perfect. You could have got Naomi, I suppose.

0:35:440:35:47

That might have been closer.

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But a photograph of your girlfriend is a slightly different experience

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to photographing someone else's girlfriend.

0:35:540:35:58

Well, good luck, Rankin. Thank you.

0:35:580:36:01

There are plenty of Bailey photos I could have chosen but I went for this one

0:36:030:36:07

because you can see how it builds on Richard Avedon.

0:36:070:36:10

It's also got something new, a flirtatiousness that's

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so Bailey you can really feel the intimacy between the two of them.

0:36:130:36:18

No make-up artists...

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-Hairdressers?

-No hairdressers.

0:36:210:36:24

What would you do for the hair then?

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Just use a bit of wind, and that's wind made by a little bit of white card.

0:36:260:36:32

I wouldn't have used a wind machine because that would have

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blown too hard, so it's just a little whoof.

0:36:350:36:37

Probably now, they would put the light a bit more camera left so

0:36:370:36:40

that would have got rid of some of these shadows.

0:36:400:36:43

But I quite like that though.

0:36:430:36:45

I know, but...

0:36:450:36:47

it's not exacted perfect but as a magic moment and her profile, it's just beautiful, isn't she?

0:36:470:36:52

She just had a magic, this woman.

0:36:520:36:54

This was taken on a Rolly, Rolleiflex.

0:36:540:36:57

So we're going to have to borrow...

0:36:570:36:59

No, I've got one. That's the right one as well.

0:36:590:37:01

You've got problems. Just stand with your legs apart and face me.

0:37:010:37:04

That's good, like that. Good, Angel.

0:37:040:37:06

That's nearly right if that hand was nicer.

0:37:060:37:09

They're great, these cameras.

0:37:090:37:10

God, it's amazing, isn't it? And what do you reckon you shot that on a 135?

0:37:100:37:14

Know a shot this on that. Oh, fantastic.

0:37:140:37:16

So I've got no idea how to use this.

0:37:160:37:19

What can I say? I'll help you.

0:37:190:37:22

Before we started, Bailey dug out the prints from the original shoot.

0:37:260:37:30

That's beautiful.

0:37:300:37:32

There's three of them, I think.

0:37:320:37:34

How did you, would you tell her to do that?

0:37:340:37:35

-Yes.

-You'd have told her - I'm doing it wrong, actually!

0:37:350:37:38

It looks better on her!

0:37:380:37:42

Do you ever get that thing where you're shooting and you feel like it's quite a sexual experience?

0:37:420:37:48

I think photography is sexual anyway.

0:37:480:37:50

Unlike Mr Avedon, who thought it wasn't. Even with men.

0:37:500:37:54

I suppose I fall in love, when they're in front of the camera, they're everything to me.

0:37:540:37:59

They're the object of my love for that brief encounter.

0:37:590:38:03

How are you feeling about the shoot?

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-I'm feeling I've got a lot to live up to.

-And what else?

0:38:090:38:12

I'm a bit nervous. But that's OK.

0:38:130:38:15

Nervous of me, or nervous of him?

0:38:150:38:17

I think the combination is the most terrifying.

0:38:170:38:19

The two of us together.

0:38:190:38:22

How far do you think you were?

0:38:220:38:23

You should be here, shouldn't you?

0:38:230:38:25

Yes, I'm there. Are you?

0:38:250:38:27

I don't even know if I can get this in focus.

0:38:310:38:33

-It's not easy.

-It's really not.

0:38:330:38:36

-I'm left eyed too, isn't that weird?

-Are you?

0:38:360:38:39

-No Polaroid?

-No, I'm not going to.

0:38:390:38:41

-I'm going to do it just straight.

-Live on the edge, are you?

0:38:410:38:44

-Live right on the edge.

-Good for you.

0:38:440:38:46

I'm going to just try to do it the way you used to do it.

0:38:460:38:50

I was better looking than you.

0:38:500:38:52

I know that.

0:38:520:38:54

Got some make-up for him?

0:38:540:38:56

We need a bigger card.

0:39:040:39:05

Just give me your position?

0:39:060:39:08

-That's good.

-That's great.

0:39:100:39:14

Yes, that looks great.

0:39:160:39:17

OK, stretch your neck.

0:39:170:39:19

Your hands, more like this.

0:39:210:39:24

That's great.

0:39:250:39:26

Yes, got that one.

0:39:320:39:35

Mouth open a little. Good.

0:39:350:39:38

Go on then, knock us out, girl.

0:39:380:39:41

That's great.

0:39:410:39:42

That's it, that's it, that's it.

0:39:420:39:44

Go on, go on.

0:39:440:39:46

That's brilliant.

0:39:470:39:48

Great, that's great.

0:39:480:39:50

-What a great camera.

-I actually really like it.

0:39:500:39:54

It's cute, it feels, when you're looking through it, you feel good.

0:39:540:39:57

Yes, you get addicted.

0:39:570:39:59

That's good.

0:40:010:40:03

Put your arm higher up at the back.

0:40:060:40:09

Good.

0:40:090:40:10

So now we're shooting digitally,

0:40:100:40:13

just to quickly compare it

0:40:130:40:16

to the experience of shooting with the Rollei and also to show Bailey what we can do with it.

0:40:160:40:20

OK, go.

0:40:200:40:22

Good, that's good. That's exactly what we want.

0:40:220:40:25

He's good, isn't he?

0:40:250:40:27

That's good, again.

0:40:280:40:29

Go.

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Go much longer, the original's going to fade.

0:40:320:40:35

LAUGHTER

0:40:350:40:36

Chin down a little.

0:40:360:40:38

OK.

0:40:380:40:40

That's good, I'm happy with that one.

0:40:410:40:43

No cheating, no retouching afterwards.

0:40:430:40:46

-I'm not going to.

-That's very nice, Rankin.

0:40:460:40:48

Looks like a picture I did in the '60s.

0:40:480:40:51

LAUGHTER

0:40:510:40:52

And here is my version - shot on the Rollei.

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If you're watching, Bailey, I did manage to get it in focus.

0:40:590:41:02

In fact, I think it's not bad at all.

0:41:020:41:06

On Main Street in Pittsfield Massachusetts,

0:41:230:41:25

lights are being rigged, props are being positioned

0:41:250:41:28

and the talent are taking their places.

0:41:280:41:31

Let's get Larry...

0:41:390:41:42

Let's get Larry in the car.

0:41:420:41:45

OK, here we go...

0:41:450:41:47

OK, floor frame.

0:41:540:41:56

We got lights inside the car we can still guide.

0:41:590:42:02

It looks like a movie, sounds like a movie

0:42:080:42:11

and smells like a movie.

0:42:110:42:13

But it isn't.

0:42:130:42:15

All of this activity is to make a single photograph...

0:42:210:42:24

by Gregory Crewdson.

0:42:240:42:27

I work with a production crew that all come out of film.

0:42:310:42:35

We work with cinematic lighting...

0:42:350:42:39

But we're only after creating one single perfect moment.

0:42:390:42:44

Not the car track.

0:42:440:42:45

Try to clear all those tracks.

0:42:470:42:50

As much of those as you can.

0:42:500:42:52

Crewdson even has his own director of photography and his own camera operator.

0:42:530:42:58

In position...and hold.

0:42:580:43:00

Relax.

0:43:030:43:04

'I do have a strangely disconnected relationship to photography.'

0:43:040:43:08

I don't even like holding a camera.

0:43:100:43:13

Um, I don't take the actual picture.

0:43:130:43:17

'What I'm truly interested in is images.

0:43:170:43:21

'The camera is just a necessary instrument.'

0:43:210:43:26

Smack right in the middle of his side of the street.

0:43:260:43:31

Over an 11 day shoot in a variety of locations,

0:43:310:43:35

Crewdson's team will make a series of multiple exposures,

0:43:350:43:39

which will be digitally combined to make six final images.

0:43:390:43:44

He'll produce an addition of six prints of each image, priced at approximately 60,000.

0:43:440:43:51

There's already a list of prospective buyers.

0:43:510:43:53

Let's get everybody in position.

0:43:530:43:55

And hold.

0:43:550:43:57

With his striking tableaux, which combine Hollywood production values with suburbia's bad dreams,

0:44:020:44:09

Crewdson has become hot property,

0:44:090:44:11

confident that he has an audience who will appreciate and, if they can afford it, buy his work.

0:44:110:44:17

So, I feel like...

0:44:290:44:32

the fire hydrant here is a problem.

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Meanwhile, in his New York studio,

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Gregory Crewdson is pulling out all the digital stops with retoucher Kylie Wright.

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He's putting the finishing touches to the picture he began weeks before

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on snowy Main Street in Pittsfield.

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This is the earlier one where this building was really bright and kind of flat at the same time.

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So we really amped up the contrast and we darkened it a lot.

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Took the fire hydrant out in the final one.

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Another thing we do, in all the photographs where we're on streets,

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is we work with the electrical company to turn off all the streetlamps

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because they're the wrong colour temperature for our film.

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And then Kylie turns them all back on.

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What we're finished with at the end of the day is it's own thing.

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It's definitely photographic,

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but something that's also something other than a photograph.

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What I'm trying to do is create a world that feels subjective and recognisable.

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That's the thing that keeps me engaged.

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Final exposure.

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That is a wrap. Fantastic job, everyone. Perfect photograph.

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I'll start off by asking you both to say who you are and what you do.

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I'm Jesse Armstrong and I write on Peep Show.

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I'm Sam Bain, I write on Peep Show.

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How did you get into writing? And I guess it's best to ask how the pair of you got into writing together.

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We met on a creative writing course at university,

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and shared a flat and started writing together after we left.

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I ended up working in politics and I was awful at it. Terrible MP's researcher.

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You were working in a video shop and we were both looking for things we'd be better at than what we were doing.

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And how then did you graduate to actually writing for the TV?

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Our first proper job was doing links and jokes for The Jack Docherty Show, right?

0:47:130:47:18

-Yeah, or The Big Breakfast?

-The Big Breakfast.

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There's a lot of comedy writers come up through doing sketches on Radio 4 and a sort of comedy route...

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um, and then end up writing sitcoms later.

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The first thing we ever wrote was like a narrative, we always wanted to write narrative, and we ended up

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trying to make a bit of money by doing that kind of writing in a room, which we were never terribly good at,

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kind of...little zingers and that slightly tabloid, "I'll BLEEP top you, mate! I've got a better zinger!"

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And we'd be in the corner going, "Oh, haven't really got a zinger... Um..."

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The big thing I remember from early on of writing is that thing of assuming that everyone else

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knows better. There's all these people around, as there are in this room,

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camera folk and all the different departments and it's very impressive.

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And you assume that somehow somebody knows what the hell's going on and it's not you.

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And then later on you start thinking that maybe you have got some useful input to make.

0:48:110:48:17

We do all the storylining for episodes and...together,

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and we do a lot of detailed scene-by-scene breakdowns of everything we write.

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And then we go away and we write the dialogue separately and email each other chunks.

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Which is the most difficult bit, is it...?

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Plotting is by far the hardest bit. That's the bit where you really need someone else in the room

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cos you get an idea and it's no good and it's difficult to get to the next idea unless you've got someone else

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-to bounce off. So...

-It's like engineering or building a table,

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it's just making sure it all works, and it can be quite exhausting.

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When you were coming up with the characters for Peep Show, were those blank sheets of paper

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or were those moulded around the actors?

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Well, yeah, we knew that Dave and Rob would be in it, so we did design it for them.

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That is a huge bonus cos as soon as you get them in the room, you're kind of...

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the character's moulded to the actor much more tightly than if you're just casting it.

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'I act out the characters on the page.'

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I got it! I got one, I got one!

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Congratulations, you've killed a sentient being(!)

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I think it's sort of like being an actor in your own head.

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It's like you are sort of playing and messing around and, yeah, it's...

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-Channelling.

-A bit channelling, yeah!

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Often, new writers don't bear in mind how much something's going to cost

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and so they'll sort of write in, I don't know, a scene on a spaceship or something willy-nilly.

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Because you've got all this experience, to what extent are you

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bearing in mind the practicalities of actually shooting the thing?

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I think you try and write with two heads on in that regard.

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"Oh, let's totally disregard that, whatever is funniest."

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But you're always going, "Don't put it on a BLEEP aircraft carrier cos that's just not going to happen."

0:50:040:50:09

-Um...

-And it's also sometimes more like pity for the actors. You don't want to dump David Mitchell

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in a freezing lake in December

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cos everyone will be unhappy, especially him.

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That sort of stuff, it's almost a shame

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because one does become quite aware of that,

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of the physical endurance aspect, which is quite great for performers,

0:50:260:50:31

and it's probably not to the advantage of the comedy, but...

0:50:310:50:36

Shove him in the freezing lake! He deserves it!

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How long does it take you to write an episode?

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It takes about a month.

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Aggregated out, because we do it in these weird bits,

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like, we do a month of doing all our stories

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and at the end we're doing lots of rewrites,

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but the whole process takes six months to write six episodes.

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We do a lot of rewriting, is what it's all about for us, really.

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You have to pretend that you're writing the final script every time!

0:51:010:51:07

And it's a sort of mental game you play with yourself.

0:51:070:51:10

You can't think, "All of this will end up being binned, that I'm now spending hours writing."

0:51:100:51:16

You just can't do that. It's a kind of game you play, yeah.

0:51:160:51:20

And sometimes it stays, you know. And there will be stuff from the first draft, sometimes a whole scene,

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which just stays, so, you know, you have to keep on believing!

0:51:260:51:30

How much do you actually enjoy the process of writing itself?

0:51:300:51:35

Sometimes you sit down and there's a scene and you feel excited to write it but it's...

0:51:350:51:39

I feel like it should be more fun than it is.

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You know, the more fun the writing process is, probably the less good the show will be,

0:51:410:51:46

and the more hard work the writing is, the more funny the show will be.

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God, how depressing! What a disappointment you two are!

0:51:490:51:53

Depressing. It IS depressing.

0:51:530:51:56

Yeah, the secret... We've discovered the secret of comedy, which is lots of work, endless work.

0:51:560:52:01

OK, all right...

0:52:140:52:17

..surprise me.

0:52:190:52:22

What year is it supposed to be?

0:52:220:52:25

A word in your shell-like, pal.

0:52:260:52:28

Life On Mars sends modern detective Sam Tyler back in time

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to the politically incorrect era of 1970s policing.

0:52:360:52:39

-Who the hell are you?

-Gene Hunt, your DCI. And it's 1973,

0:52:390:52:43

almost dinner time. I'm having hoops.

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He is confronted by crime-busting methods that make his hair stand on end.

0:52:460:52:49

Where I come from, you'd be looking at suspension.

0:52:490:52:52

With flares and Ford Cortinas at the forefront of the action,

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Life On Mars is a brilliant pastiche of classic '70s cop shows

0:52:580:53:01

like The Sweeney. But it's a tale with a fantasy twist

0:53:010:53:05

that challenges our grasp on reality and offers a provocative take on recent social history.

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TYRES SQUEAL

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So what's behind the success of Life On Mars?

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Is it just a nostalgic romp for lovers of bad shirts and glam rock?

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Or does the show prove that British audiences are hungry for drama

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that pushes back the boundaries?

0:53:270:53:29

Let's go back to the very beginning of Life On Mars.

0:53:290:53:32

The first moment. Where are we? What happens?

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I remember we... I really remember the room, it was a chintz room,

0:53:350:53:39

a tiny little attic room in this hotel.

0:53:390:53:42

We sat there with our flip chart and said, "Right, where shall we start?

0:53:420:53:46

"We've got an empty canvas, blank canvas."

0:53:460:53:49

And a million ideas, I'm sure, went through these boys' heads

0:53:490:53:53

but the first thing that Tony said was,

0:53:530:53:56

"Look, come on, let's be realistic. Everyone wants cop shows."

0:53:560:53:59

We'd all just written City Central, a cop show for the BBC and we thought,

0:53:590:54:03

"No more cops." And we all agreed. "But...

0:54:030:54:06

"just before we move on, if there was a cop show in the world

0:54:060:54:09

"that we'd like to write, what would it be?" And, erm...

0:54:090:54:12

The Sweeney was the answer from all three of us.

0:54:120:54:14

"OK, let's do The Sweeney, let's just re-do it. Let's just re-do it."

0:54:140:54:17

"No, we can't re-do The Sweeney. They'll just...

0:54:170:54:21

"It'll...be pulled apart." Talk about standing on the shoulders of giants.

0:54:210:54:24

So, we said - what if we took somebody from our world and threw them into The Sweeney

0:54:240:54:28

and saw how they coped with the prejudices then?

0:54:280:54:31

And crudely, it was just that, wasn't it?

0:54:310:54:34

Then we had to work out how to do it.

0:54:340:54:35

And the only way that you could do it, to do a period piece,

0:54:350:54:39

was to obviously take someone back.

0:54:390:54:41

MUSIC: "Life On Mars" by David Bowie

0:54:430:54:46

HE SIGHS

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Phew...

0:54:500:54:52

TYRES SCREECH

0:54:540:54:55

We talked about the crash and how to show how it's done,

0:54:560:55:00

and we worked out there would be the song on the radio

0:55:000:55:02

that would be the same.

0:55:020:55:04

MUSIC "Life On Mars" by David Bowie

0:55:050:55:12

-We had that idea before iPods were invented, didn't we?

-Yeah.

0:55:120:55:17

-Because the actual shot is listening to his iPod in the car...

-Yeah.

-..and they didn't exist then.

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We pitched it to every single broadcaster in the country.

0:55:210:55:25

Some of them, more than once.

0:55:250:55:26

And some of the longest minutes of my life have been spent pitching Life On Mars to commissioners

0:55:260:55:31

-who just went...

-There's that great moment

0:55:310:55:33

where you'd sit down with them and they'd say,

0:55:330:55:35

"What have you got, boys?" And we'd say, "Right, it's a cop show."

0:55:350:55:38

"OK, good."

0:55:380:55:39

"OK, so, he has a car crash and he falls back in time."

0:55:390:55:42

-"Mm-hmm."

-THEY LAUGH

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And they'd be looking at their watches, looking out of the window,

0:55:440:55:47

looking at the ceiling, looking at their cufflinks.

0:55:470:55:50

Erm, yeah, it was tough, it was a tough sell.

0:55:500:55:53

There were seven years of enough very important people in suits telling you it was crap.

0:55:530:55:57

-It only got rejected six times, probably.

-Yeah.

-Six or seven times. And actually,

0:55:570:56:01

that was really healthy for it.

0:56:010:56:03

It was kind of - what does not defeat it makes it stronger.

0:56:030:56:06

It just kept getting better,

0:56:060:56:08

until Julie picked it up at the BBC, Julie Gardner,

0:56:080:56:11

and kind of, the final piece in the jigsaw slotted in, I think.

0:56:110:56:16

The 36 drafts I did of that script between 1998 and when we shot it...

0:56:160:56:23

-The first 35 were...

-BLEEP!

0:56:230:56:25

-I only came good in the last two days.

-You just pulled it out of the bag in the last one!

-Yeah.

0:56:250:56:29

It was waiting until all the stars were in the right place.

0:56:290:56:32

I think that's why the show took seven years before it was made.

0:56:320:56:35

If it had been picked up straightaway and made at that time,

0:56:350:56:38

-it wouldn't have been the hit that it was...

-No, that's true.

0:56:380:56:41

..and what we've done is, in a roundabout way, all the...

0:56:410:56:44

stars have converged and we were in the right place, at the right time,

0:56:440:56:47

and I think that's why it worked.

0:56:470:56:49

You know, obviously, people responded well to it

0:56:530:56:55

for all of the reasons that we've spoken about - the characters, the clash of cultures,

0:56:550:56:59

the fact that it's about one style of policing and another -

0:56:590:57:01

but I think it says an odd thing about a mainstream audience, doesn't it?

0:57:010:57:06

About a mainstream British television audience,

0:57:060:57:08

that they are more sophisticated, than not you think, but some people might think.

0:57:080:57:12

-You have a high opinion, I think.

-Yeah...

-Not everybody does.

0:57:120:57:16

For seven years, we said, "Let the audience be the judge of this idea."

0:57:160:57:19

And I think that almost the broadcasters caught up with the audience, to be honest with you.

0:57:190:57:25

And my personal response from friends, or people in the industry, has been astonishing really.

0:57:250:57:32

Much more than anything else I've ever written, I think.

0:57:320:57:35

And even though your programme was in development for many years,

0:57:350:57:40

Doctor Who came out and I think helped, do you agree?

0:57:400:57:45

It showed that there's a big audience for science fiction,

0:57:450:57:48

which is what that is, science fiction. Yours isn't quite science fiction, but it just proved again

0:57:480:57:52

-that there was an audience out there that was prepared to sit there and watch this.

-More relevant

0:57:520:57:56

was that Lost went out on Channel 4 and I think their first episode

0:57:560:58:00

got six million. So, you think, "Wow!

0:58:000:58:03

"There is that audience out there for an intelligent post-watershed."

0:58:030:58:06

What was - revelation is a big word - but what was different was that it was on BBC One

0:58:060:58:12

and I think for the first time, it was allowing...

0:58:120:58:18

a show with an American sensibility onto a primetime thing.

0:58:180:58:24

And I think it's shown that there is an appetite for that and you can do it.

0:58:240:58:28

What's pleasing about it is that it's a high-concept American pitch,

0:58:280:58:33

but it's an incredibly English-specific show, specific to our childhoods, you know?

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