Episode 15 A Matter of Life and Debt


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Every day, all over the country,

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millions of people are struggling to find the cash they need

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to make ends meet or to realise their dreams.

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40, 60, 80.

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Withdraw £500.

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-50, 60, five.

-Thank you, Lisa.

-OK?

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Many struggle to qualify for high-street borrowing,

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making them vulnerable to illegal loan sharks...

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That first £100 loan leads to another, leads to another.

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..but there are a growing number of community banks

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or credit unions that

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are offering a helping hand, whilst at the same time

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supporting the local area.

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We are looking to offer you a loan.

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20, 40, 60, 70, eight.

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We've had our ups and downs,

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like any other family would in a family business.

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They gave me the option of what I could afford.

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I could actually live again and actually save again.

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From household emergencies

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to kick-starting a new life or business.

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Organic veg boxes!

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I am a bit nervous, but I'm still excited.

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It's like I'm getting married, it's crazy!

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We're following some of these life-changing stories.

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It basically meant that something I never thought I would ever do in my

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life was actually going to happen.

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Without that help,

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the transformation to my life

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would have been impossible.

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So it's a win-win situation, really.

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Today, a loan helps a couple realise their sweet dreams...

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It's already thriving. It's standing on its own two feet within a year

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and there aren't that many businesses that can say that.

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..a young woman recovering

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after her credit card debt gets out of control...

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It's easy to get it,

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so I might as well...get it.

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..and a former teen mum gets help to start her own photography business.

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I'm going to risk all of what I've got

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and hopefully this is going to work.

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PHONE RINGS

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And you're a member of the credit union, yes?

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-PHONE RINGS

-Your membership number?

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Most people rely on some sort of credit.

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Can I please apply for a loan?

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Sure.

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With unsecured debt in the UK approaching £200 billion,

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whether it's credit cards or car finance,

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buy now and pay later has become the norm for many us.

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I thought, if I can get a loan,

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that'll tide us over and then I'd get a credit card,

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that would tide us over.

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And... Yeah, I just started growing the debt.

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Those on low incomes, or who have bad credit ratings,

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can't always borrow from traditional high-street lenders.

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Instead, they are sometimes forced

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to turn to high-interest payday loans, or illegal moneylenders.

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My mum passed away and then her funeral costs

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were quite a bit of money,

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so I went to a loan shark.

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I had no idea what APR meant at the time.

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Looking back now, I realise the APR

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for that loan was nearly 800%,

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which is...

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um...

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..an awful lot of money.

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But there is an alternative.

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A growing number of responsible lenders are trying to help.

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-So, do you have your benefit coming in here?

-Aye.

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-You do?

-Across the country,

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there are over 400 credit unions

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offering a lifeline to their local communities.

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Started in the 1960s by immigrants who couldn't borrow from traditional

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routes, these ethical lenders

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encourage people to save, as well as borrow responsibly.

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So maybe paying a payday loan 200 a month,

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they probably could get a loan from us for 1,000 for just £50 a month,

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so they're saving some money and it can cut back on their debts.

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Nationwide, they have almost two million members

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and £1.25 billion out on loan.

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It's about getting people to learn the habit of budgeting,

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taking control of their money,

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helping them help themselves.

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London Capital is one of Britain's oldest credit unions

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and serves those who live, work,

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study or worship in North London.

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Well, you can trace its roots back to 1962, when it was operated from a

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metal tin in the back of a church in Fern Park in Hornsey.

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They have just over £12 million in savings.

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Interestingly, 90% of our members said they had no savings before they

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joined us.

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Yeah, that was from our manager.

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Do you have a pen and paper handy when you're ready?

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HE HUMS

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47-year-old Alev has been a member for four years.

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-Hello.

-Today she's hoping for a loan to help her with a family emergency.

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Mum lost her brother.

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My mum's in her 70s and she can't travel alone.

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I needed a little bit of extra cash to be able to help my mum to

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travel abroad to visit her family,

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so it's to reconnect with the family and to go to a memorial service.

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I asked for £1,000,

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I needed the money to cover the cost

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of travel and the expenses, and to ensure

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that my expenses and my bills at home don't suffer.

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Cos it was an unexpected event and I just want to make sure that I

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can go comfortably without having that kind of worry and that concern

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about what's left behind.

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Whether or not Alev gets the loan she needs today

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is in the hands of manager Martin.

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Alev, would you like to come on over?

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Have a seat. How are we keeping?

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-Good, how are you?

-I'm very well, thank you.

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Long time no see.

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Just had a look through your loan, good record with us, obviously.

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I think I've been a member for about four years.

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Credit union actually have really helped me to learn how to save,

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so I've got considerable savings with the credit union now and

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I'm really pleased that it's the first time that I've been able

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to do that with their help.

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Was it for a holiday? You had a death in the family, wasn't it?

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Yes. It's to be able to travel to Cyprus with my mum.

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Whatever a loan is for, Martin needs to check it's affordable,

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so Alev will have a little wait.

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While credit unions mostly deal with personal finances,

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there are 55 responsible lenders

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across the UK who offer business start-up loans

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to people who would find it difficult to borrow elsewhere.

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Unlike with the traditional lenders,

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a poor credit history doesn't

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automatically exclude you from borrowing.

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37-year-old single mum Jo...

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..would have struggled to get a bank loan,

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but ethical lender Lancashire Community Finance

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helped Jo open her own professional photography company in Preston.

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When I'm setting up for a newborn shoot, I like to include...

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..what we call props.

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So here we have got like, a little romper,

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that we might put this little boy

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Lachlan in today, and a little hat.

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It's just to create obviously texture and...

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..bring in some more detail to the photograph, really.

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Jo's passion for photography began at a young age.

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I used to just run around with a camera constantly.

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I used to take pictures of the family dog

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and random other things in the house. I always take loads.

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I always take too many photographs, to be honest.

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It felt very natural and I enjoyed it, I loved it.

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So I'm just going through the final checks,

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just to make sure that everything is how it should be to hand over.

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I love doing the weddings. Um...

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It's hard work, you are on your feet

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for at least 10-12 hours a day.

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It gets me out and about. I've been to Italy.

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This one was up in Lancaster.

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I've got one up in Edinburgh soon,

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so I do get to travel around with my job as well,

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so I enjoy that part of it, too.

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Jo's successful business photographs around 20 weddings a year.

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But this morning, she's getting a visit

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from one of her younger clients.

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Twins born years apart.

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When you're working with couples and brides and grooms,

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they have got their own ideas of what they want for the day,

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and that's great cos you do kind of get the creative input

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from them as well.

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BABY CRIES

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That's the difference. They'll tell you when they're not happy!

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Some brides won't!

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I use the womb sound to relax the babies.

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Look at his little legs going!

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Are you having a little dream, there, buddy?

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Good boy. Turn my camera on, that'd help, wouldn't it?

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Like most businesses, Jo started small.

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I used to camp out at my mum's house,

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so I'd be setting up all of this stuff every day

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from my mum's, when I was working from there...

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inviting people in. And the environment was great,

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but it's not as professional as I wanted it to be.

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Oh, shhh.

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And I wanted something more welcoming

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and a specialised environment for

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what is that I was actually doing.

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There we go. All ready to go home.

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I think I just look the same.

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Hair colour's changed.

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That's about it.

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As a single mother with son Reece,

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Jo's dreams of professional photography

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were put on hold when she was a teenager.

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I became a mum shortly after my 16th birthday,

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so I was pregnant when I was 15,

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which had obviously a knock-on effect throughout my schooling.

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-Scotland.

-Yes.

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Cos that was where we went last time.

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People think, "Oh, she's ruined her life. What's she going to do?"

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But when I was 18, I decided, you know, I want to get a career.

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I don't want to just be a single mother.

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-How old was I? I was like...

-Nine.

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-Yeah.

-So, I went to college to...better myself,

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to get myself qualifications and

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kind of prove people wrong, really,

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that being a single parent was the worst decision

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that I could have ever made.

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-Look at them. Do you remember that?

-I do!

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When Reece left home for university,

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Jo was finally free to follow her dream.

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Financially, he wasn't reliant upon me any more.

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He had his own money,

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which then freed up some money for me to be able to be able to kind of

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say, "Yeah, that's what I'm going to do.

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"I'm going to risk all of what I've got and, hopefully,

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"this is going to work."

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To start up the photography business,

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Jo needed more than just a studio.

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You don't just have one camera, you have to have a backup camera.

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You have to have the best computers that you can find to edit well.

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It's very expensive.

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It's not a cheap hobby,

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so a lot of people will be an amateur photographer,

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but then transitioning over to a professional role

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is a lot harder if you don't have the finances.

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Money issues in her past meant Jo had a poor credit rating,

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so she was advised to seek help from a local responsible lender.

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She approached Lancashire Community Finance for a loan of £2,500.

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Elaine Rimmer is the charity's Chief Executive.

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Joanne had no adverse credit,

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however she had something called a debt management plan.

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This is a plan where your circumstances may change

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and you have to look at

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agreeing a low amount of repayment

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with all your creditors.

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That would normally exclude her from one of our loan products.

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However, she had tenacity,

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she had resilience and some of the issues

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in starting up a business that

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you will have day-to-day,

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she had the personality that would be able to overcome any of these

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-challenges.

-The Lancashire Community Finance sat down with me and looked

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at how much I'd earned and forecast for how much I would be earning

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the year after and for the year after that as well.

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So somebody was sat there helping me to do this,

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looking at how much I could afford

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to repay and whether it was, again, viable.

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The business of photography, it can be challenging.

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There are photographers

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in every town and city.

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However, with Joanne, in particular,

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we felt she knew a market.

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She had been trading part-time,

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so she had some evidence of what she'd done,

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who her client base were, all of these point to her

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being able to run and deliver a successful business.

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The feeling when I got the money into my account, it was great

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because somebody's actually looked at my business and gone, "Yes,

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"there's potential." You can move forward, you can build the business,

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get more clients and make more money,

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which is what I'm obviously here to do.

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So the couple are going to come and pick up their box tonight and on the

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USB are all their photographs for their album.

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And I've picked a selection of 6x4 prints to put into the box because I

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always feel it's nice for the couple to actually open the box as if they

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were opening a present, so that they

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can kind of relive their wedding day.

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At times in our lives,

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we all have bumpy periods and

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it's not about that bumpy period,

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it's about how we react to those

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and how we manage that situation.

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We try to look at the individual and where they are now.

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We are a responsible lender.

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We wouldn't increase the level of debt with somebody

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if it was clearly unaffordable.

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However, we think it's really important

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that everybody is given a choice

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and a chance to move forward.

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I borrowed £2,500 over four years

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from them and I paid for things like a new lens for my camera,

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some marketing equipment, and I also paid for a gentleman to help my

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presence upon the internet

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so that people could find me a lot more easily.

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-Hi!

-These are for you.

-Oh, thank you!

-Thank you for everything.

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You do feel like you're part of the family afterwards

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because you've spent their wedding day,

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which is the best day of their life,

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through to them having a child,

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which is possibly a better day than they ever imagined it to be.

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Don't cry!

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It's a really nice job.

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I do actually have the best job in the world, I think.

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Although Jo's photography business is thriving,

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she's got a side-line in mind, too.

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Within the next few years, I would like to get into more mentoring,

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training. A lot of people like the newborn photography

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and if I can pass on my tips when I feel that I'm at a good level,

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to be able to train people,

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then hopefully I'll be able to offer that as another service,

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as an add-on to what I'm doing now.

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So training, teaching, weddings and newborns, really.

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It's amazing!

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Jo had to be patient in order to achieve her dreams,

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but now she's been inspired to help others.

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It's not a natural thing to be confident all the time

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and believe in what you can do,

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but if you do have an idea, just believe in yourself,

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ask for help, find out what's available to you

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and take that idea forward.

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Thank you! See you soon.

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-Thank you.

-Bye!

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In Islington, north London...

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Can you confirm your address, please?

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OK, then. So if you just bear with me a moment.

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Thanks for calling. Bye.

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..Alev is awaiting a decision

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on a loan she urgently needs to pay for her to

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accompany her mother to a family funeral in Cyprus.

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I asked to borrow £1,000.

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If I don't get the loan, it may mean that I can't travel with her.

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This would be a really great help

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and ease my mind, and allow me to support my mum at this time.

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It's now up to Martin to decide

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if Alev gets the money to go to Cyprus or not.

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-Is that when most of your family are out there, now?

-Yeah.

-Very nice.

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But it's going to be hot!

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I know, I've heard it's in the 40s this week.

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The loan's been approved, anyway.

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-That's great.

-So we'll get the...

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We've got all the documentation ready for you.

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If you're happy with that, sign and date there, please.

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Any problems with money, just come and talk to us.

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-Thank you.

-As I say, that payment will come out.

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The money will go direct to your bank account and should be in your

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-account later today.

-Thanks again, Martin.

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Take care. Don't forget this.

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Ooh, gosh. Sorry!

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-There you go, my darling. Bye-bye.

-Thank you!

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They offered me the loan that I asked for...

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..and I'm really pleased cos it means now I can support my mum.

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I feel great. I feel good. I feel relieved, actually.

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That's probably, yes, probably the best way to describe how I feel.

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I feel relieved.

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Still to come...

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a Cornish couple with a sweet idea to expand their business.

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This is probably bigger than the

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first day we sat in Cornwall with all of our ideas, so this is huge.

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-This is massive.

-And the woman deep in debt who turned her life around.

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I would get quite agitated by it, but then I would think,

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"Well, it's my own fault for getting into this state,

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"so you need to sort it out."

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Most credit unions and responsible lenders offer loans to people from a

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specific geographical area...

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..but that's not always the case.

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-£75.

-What it does mean is that I

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-can actually tell you you've been agreed...

-OK.

-..your loan.

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-OK.

-I wanted to give you a nice surprise!

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So, that's a very good one!

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Some credit unions take their membership

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from a particular profession,

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like London taxi drivers, the Open University or the NHS.

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To be able to apply for the credit union,

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it obviously goes hand-in-hand with your job.

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You can speak to people and ask them

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advice and they've always just been very, very helpful.

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There is also an ethical lender

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specifically for former members of the Armed Forces

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looking to start up or expand their own business.

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In Penzance, in Cornwall...

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That's 116 grams, in old money, that's a quarter.

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So, there we go.

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Have you got aniseed sticks?

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Former soldier Phil and his wife Angela

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used all their savings to open a sweet shop.

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We've been here just over a year

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and it's been absolutely fantastic.

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-Look at that - bang on 116 grams!

-Thank you very much.

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It's already succeeding.

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It's already thriving.

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It's standing on its own two feet within a year

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and there aren't that many businesses that can say that.

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It's doing so well that the couple have decided it's time to expand

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and need a £29,000 loan to fund the lease and stock for a new premises.

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What we haven't got here is the coffee shop

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and that was the main premise of Ma Larkin's, right from the off.

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The coffee shop is where we can do everything that Ma Larkin's is all

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about, which is the cakes, the bakes

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and all of the coffee and the tea and the Cornish goods that we've

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-always wanted.

-It's to have a place where people can come and sit

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and enjoy and chill.

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You know, we can't think of better...

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Better place to do it, can we?

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Really? A little coffee shop by the sea.

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Yeah.

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These are two business owners who have a passion for their products.

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This is... These are more of an intense one.

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Do you want to try one of them, look?

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I always remember the trips to the sweet shop.

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I used to love it. I think it was on a Friday evening I used to get our

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penny and we were able to go there and so, yeah,

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I am a big kid in a sweet shop, to be fair!

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You like that now, you've got it now.

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It starts off really sort of like a mild...

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and then it comes through quite strong.

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Getting to where they are today has taken a lot of hard work.

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All that was here, basically, was just that one counter.

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So everything else, we've had to do.

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So we built the shelving, we've got these centrepieces in.

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So we've got dispensing from the jars there,

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we've got lots of old-fashioned sweets.

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There you are, look. The original liquorice stick.

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Years ago, your grandad probably used to talk to you about these.

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You used to chew those, that's the actual stick itself.

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Everybody... They can't believe

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you can actually still get that, but we can.

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We've got butter Brazils, butter Brazils,

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you can't buy them any more, so we make them now.

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Opening the sweet shop a year ago

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marked a turning point in the couple's lives.

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In December 2005, I was diagnosed with acute myeloid leukaemia...

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..and then spent the next eight months in hospital.

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At the time, the boys were very young -

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Max was 18 months and Ben was ten weeks -

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which was very, very difficult, very hard.

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And after four bouts of chemotherapy,

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came out and then was quite ill for a few years.

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I've lost my hearing, but part and parcel of that,

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I never believed I could have any more children,

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which was quite a difficult one to sort of get my head round.

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I'd missed quite a lot of their major development,

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so things like Max taking his first steps...

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Ben's first words, things like that.

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Before he met Angela, Phil's life had not been plain sailing either.

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I was 19 years old when I joined the Army.

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I got married at 19, my wife was 18 years old.

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I was married for 24 years

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and I had four lovely children.

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Sally died of cancer nine years ago, now.

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Yeah.

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I met Phil in 2012 and we got together properly

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in July of 2013.

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And lo and behold, in January 2014,

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I found out I'd fell pregnant with Teagan.

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She was born early.

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Apart from being diddy, she's absolutely perfect in every way.

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And very much we regard her as...

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She is our little miracle.

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THE GIRLS GIGGLE

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Together, the couple have gone from strength to strength.

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Now with the sweet shop established, they're ready for a new challenge.

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Ah, look how scrummy that is!

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Look, it's even got... It's even got the springiness you're looking for.

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Nice, crusty top...

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Raising the funds to open the tea shop hasn't been easy.

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We've had people turn round and say no

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when we've been looking for funding.

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Because all of our capital went into the shop in Penzance,

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we have something that now is freestanding and operating

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and paying its way and a little bit more now.

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But... But we didn't have the capital to be able to kind of grow

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Ma Larkin's and, you know, we had banks saying no.

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These doors kept closing and closing and closing.

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And then this day, we just picked up, didn't we...?

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The couple's luck changed when they were introduced to a responsible

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lender who specialises in helping people from the Armed Forces

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start up in business.

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Anthony took on Phil and Angela's application for a loan of £29,000.

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Obviously, when they leave the Armed Forces,

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they're very regimented in how they do things.

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And by actually helping them with their business plan,

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the financials, that gives them structure,

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so that they can transfer that structure to their business.

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We spoke to Anthony from ex-forces and he got the ball rolling,

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took the business plan, we showed him the model,

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we showed him the site and, within weeks, we were approved.

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I mean, it was amazing, really.

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The couple received the loan money, but the input from their

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-lender didn't stop there.

-Every business I support,

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I always follow them on social media and also try,

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if I can, to buy some of their products as well.

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On the back of that as well,

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we do give them a lot of mentoring and support

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and also further training if needed.

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It's that personal service I remember from banking years ago

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has all but disappeared now.

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With the finance in place and the plan of action ready to go,

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all that's left for Angela and Phil to do

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is sign the lease and pick up the keys.

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The bit that worries me is trying to put it all together in one go,

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like cooking a dinner,

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are you going to get everything on the plate at one time

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and it's all going to be warm enough?

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This is probably bigger than the first day we sat in Cornwall

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with all of our ideas, so this is huge.

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This is massive. If the phone call comes through tomorrow with the key,

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that's all we're waiting on now.

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And the minute we get the key, it's all hands to the deck.

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All Phil and Angela can do is wait for the phone to ring.

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With spending on credit cards in the UK at a record high,

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it's clear that many of us are used to borrowing on plastic.

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Young people aged 16 to 24

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have the highest level of debt compared to their income.

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And while much of the older generation still prefer not to take on credit,

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increases in the cost of living mean this is changing.

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I don't have credit cards.

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I wouldn't pay any interest on credit cards whatsoever.

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No, never. Never in my life.

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I think I'm of the generation that thinks that...

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..having credit is not the done thing.

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I think there's an economic pressure in their life.

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I think there's a social pressure

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for people to have things they probably can't afford

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and they kind of think it's on the never-never.

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For many people, the concept of buying now and paying later

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is a part of daily life.

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Buying something now and getting that instant gratification,

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but not having to worry about paying for it is really

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what everybody wants.

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The really important thing is when you are buying something now

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with the intention of paying for it later,

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start squirrelling away that money that you are going to need to pay

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off that debt, otherwise it's going to come to the day when you do need

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to pay and you are going to struggle.

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Right.

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CAT MEOWS

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One 29-year-old knows only too well the cost of a buy-now-pay-later

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attitude. She's willing to tell her story,

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but prefers we don't use her name.

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We haven't had a lot of money

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when I was growing up, but my mam always made sure

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that there was love within the family,

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and that we were provided for and we got everything that we needed.

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We never really wanted for anything, to be honest.

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Do you want some more?

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Despite this, she took out her first loan when she was just 19.

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I was working at McDonald's at the time and I was studying.

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I was training to be a car mechanic.

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And I just thought, "Oh, well, I'll see if I can get a loan."

0:28:430:28:47

I think it was for about 1,100.

0:28:470:28:53

I got it to buy a laptop.

0:28:530:28:54

I had a wage coming in, I could have saved up for what I needed...

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or what I wanted.

0:28:590:29:01

Just thought, "Well, I can get it, so it's easy to get it,

0:29:020:29:05

"so...I might as well...get it."

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Whilst living at home,

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she was earning enough to cover the repayments.

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But things changed when she moved in with a friend.

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I think I was about 22 when I moved out.

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I think I managed to pay the first loan back quite...

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..well, but then I got another loan, then I got a credit card.

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It was a full-time wage, but it wasn't enough to cover...

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..living costs. So, you know, I just...

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I just got a credit card and got a

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loan to try and cover us for day-to-day living.

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I knew what I was walking into.

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I knew what I was getting myself into.

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And I thought at that age,

0:29:530:29:55

when I look back, I thought that I knew it all

0:29:550:29:59

and that I could pay it back and...

0:29:590:30:01

You know, I could have the nice things for like my home,

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and stuff like that, and I could do it.

0:30:050:30:08

Within months, she was juggling credit cards to try and manage the debt that had built up.

0:30:100:30:15

I thought, if I get a credit card, I can pay my other credit card off.

0:30:170:30:20

Get the balance transfers.

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If I get a loan, I can pay that loan off.

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But then...

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I got other loans and stuff like that,

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so it just had a knock-on effect.

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Though the debts were racking up,

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there was little to show for all the spending

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and no items of value she could sell.

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I didn't have a car at the time, so I couldn't drive.

0:30:410:30:45

It was nothing to do with getting a loan to buy a car, or...

0:30:450:30:49

anything like that. So...

0:30:490:30:52

I don't really know, to be honest.

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I don't know if I've blocked it out of my mind because obviously I did

0:30:540:30:58

feel ashamed or I just genuinely can't remember.

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Despite the growing debt, she decided to get a flat on her own.

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It was lovely for the first six months.

0:31:090:31:12

I was working full-time. I'd changed my job at this point

0:31:120:31:15

and it was really, really good money.

0:31:150:31:18

But then obviously, with the cost of bills and everything,

0:31:180:31:21

I just couldn't afford to live by myself.

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When things became really difficult,

0:31:250:31:28

because I'd ignored the letters that came through at first,

0:31:280:31:33

I did ignore them, was thinking, "I'll deal with those later."

0:31:330:31:37

And then obviously, when I lived by myself,

0:31:370:31:39

everything just started catching up with us.

0:31:390:31:41

By her mid-20s, she had racked up over £4,000 of debt.

0:31:430:31:48

I think it's when I was starting getting these letters to the door

0:31:490:31:53

from different companies...

0:31:530:31:54

..that I realised that it was completely out of control.

0:31:550:31:59

They were piling up and mounting up and I just thought,

0:32:000:32:03

"I need to do something here."

0:32:030:32:05

I would panic, thinking, "Oh, goodness, they're coming to take things away from us"

0:32:070:32:10

or, "they want this money by this time,"

0:32:100:32:12

and you know, "I don't know how I'm going to be able to afford to pay it."

0:32:120:32:16

Some of them would be quite abrupt

0:32:160:32:19

on the phone and that used to get my

0:32:190:32:21

back up thinking, "They're there, they're meant to try and help us,

0:32:210:32:25

"but they're not."

0:32:250:32:26

So then, obviously, I would get quite...

0:32:260:32:30

..agitated by it and, yeah, sometimes I would get upset by it.

0:32:310:32:37

But then I would think, "Well, it's my own fault for getting into this state, so you need to sort it out."

0:32:370:32:42

I would worry that the bailiffs were going to come and take things away

0:32:460:32:50

because I didn't really have a lot.

0:32:500:32:52

Eventually, her debts reached £5,000.

0:32:530:32:57

Knowing now something had to change, she turned to her mum for help.

0:32:570:33:00

She couldn't understand how I'd gotten into the financial state I was in...

0:33:020:33:06

..but she helped us quite a lot.

0:33:070:33:10

Fred? Bella?

0:33:100:33:11

After coming clean, she contacted a debt management company,

0:33:120:33:16

who helped put her on the right track.

0:33:160:33:19

They just said that they could consolidate all of my debts

0:33:200:33:23

and could just sort it out for us, really.

0:33:230:33:25

And they contacted all the creditors on my behalf...

0:33:250:33:28

..to discuss what would be best to be paid

0:33:290:33:31

and then they come up with an amount every month that they wanted.

0:33:310:33:36

I think, at first, I was paying £100 a month,

0:33:360:33:39

which was more than manageable.

0:33:390:33:41

Every time I rang up and spoke to somebody,

0:33:430:33:46

they were absolutely lovely on the phone and that put me at ease.

0:33:460:33:50

That made me feel good. They would explain things.

0:33:500:33:52

If I didn't understand anything, like, on my statement or whatever,

0:33:520:33:56

they would explain it to us.

0:33:560:33:59

To help with managing her finances, she moved back in with her parents.

0:34:000:34:04

The £100 would go off my debt every month.

0:34:040:34:08

It was coming down, I could see it on bank statements,

0:34:080:34:12

on the statements from them, that it was coming down quite considerably.

0:34:120:34:16

So it just...

0:34:170:34:18

It worked. It was really good.

0:34:180:34:20

In February 2017, she made her final repayment.

0:34:200:34:25

I started getting letters through saying,

0:34:250:34:28

"Congratulations, you are now debt-free."

0:34:280:34:30

Now, I can go and get the things I want.

0:34:330:34:36

I can go for a mortgage.

0:34:360:34:38

Yes, it's going to be a bit of a longer slog,

0:34:380:34:41

but it'll give us time to save up.

0:34:410:34:43

If I could go back and talk to myself at 19,

0:34:450:34:47

I would be like, "Absolutely not, don't do it, don't be stupid.

0:34:470:34:51

"You'll get yourself into so much...

0:34:510:34:53

"So many problems.

0:34:540:34:56

"You will get out of it in the end, but just don't do it!"

0:34:560:34:58

This story is only too common,

0:35:050:35:07

as more and more people go in search of help when debt gets out of hand.

0:35:070:35:12

Experts like Hannah Maundrell from money.co.uk

0:35:140:35:18

say, when you borrow money,

0:35:180:35:20

it's critical to know exactly what you're letting yourself in for.

0:35:200:35:23

Buy-now-pay-later deals can be a good option

0:35:250:35:27

if you're not going to be charged any interest on them.

0:35:270:35:29

You simply just need to do a sense check to make sure that whatever

0:35:290:35:32

you're buying is going to be affordable

0:35:320:35:34

once you need to pay it back.

0:35:340:35:36

Do think about when you are going

0:35:360:35:37

to have to start making those repayments, as well?

0:35:370:35:39

Because it's possible that your situation may have changed by then,

0:35:390:35:42

so you need to consider whether it's going to be affordable and

0:35:420:35:45

whether you have got a bit of wiggle room

0:35:450:35:47

in case your situation does change.

0:35:470:35:49

In Cornwall, with their £29,000 loan secured,

0:35:510:35:55

sweet shop owners Phil and Angela's dreams of expanding their business

0:35:550:35:59

are now on hold...

0:35:590:36:00

..as they anxiously wait to find out if they've secured the lease

0:36:010:36:05

on their new premises.

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PHONE RINGS

0:36:080:36:09

Hello, there.

0:36:140:36:15

Yeah, yeah.

0:36:160:36:17

Oh, have we got green lights, have we?

0:36:180:36:21

Right, OK. Time frames for keys, please?

0:36:220:36:26

Thanks, bye then, bye-bye.

0:36:260:36:28

Yahey!

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With plans for the new shop approved,

0:36:320:36:35

it's all hands on deck to be ready

0:36:350:36:37

in time for the busy bank holiday weekend in Falmouth.

0:36:370:36:40

Right, this is the shop.

0:36:420:36:44

This is what all the heartache's been about.

0:36:440:36:47

The coffee machine is going to be sat there,

0:36:470:36:49

and we've got different types of cakes, which we're going to sell,

0:36:490:36:53

and different sundries.

0:36:530:36:55

In here will be the freezers,

0:36:550:36:57

coming around the back and then, coming along here,

0:36:570:37:00

we'll have ice cream machines,

0:37:000:37:02

a fudge counter...

0:37:020:37:04

coming a bit further along.

0:37:040:37:06

Then along the side of here, again, there will be more display units.

0:37:060:37:10

A £29,000 loan has helped get the new business this far.

0:37:100:37:15

Now the pressure is on the Larkins and their team to get the shop open.

0:37:210:37:25

Every day that it's closed is costing Phil and Angela money.

0:37:260:37:29

Just putting together the last few bits of construction that we're

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building, so shelving, units,

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waiting for some deliveries to come in.

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We've got fridges coming in today

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and hopefully the coffee machine, but that's not guaranteed.

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Waiting for our plumber to come to plumb in the sink.

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There's still hours of work left in here to go,

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so I'd better crack on with this one!

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With only one day left before their

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advertised opening and local interest stirring,

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Phil and Angela are concentrating all their efforts on being

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-ready on time.

-All of this.

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We'll clear all that out now.

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Lots of late nights.

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And then I need to pick up the sign for the front of the shop as well.

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-That's it.

-And lots of worrying

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about how we were going to juggle things financially,

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how we were going to do things practically.

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We're going to have to sort something out with that.

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Just leave it unplugged for a minute.

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Yeah, I want the slightly longer ones.

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It will be done. Yeah.

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The team are coming together.

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Tomorrow's the day. Tomorrow's the day.

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That's a good sign.

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It was a struggle, but we did it.

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With their deadline achieved,

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Ma Larkin's Falmouth Cafe has opened just in time for business.

0:38:520:38:57

Yay! It's going really well.

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We're getting lots of local support.

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It's really good and it's lovely to see it

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finally come to fruition and the business

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is kind of up and running,

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and we're just getting ready for our really busy summer season.

0:39:080:39:12

So...we're really excited!

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Really excited.

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Smells so nice!

0:39:170:39:18

Phil and Angela's dream is coming true,

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thanks to their hard work and a lender who believed in them enough

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to give them the money they needed.

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The loan has paid for obviously the lease, the...

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With the lease came a deposit and a very sizeable deposit,

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may I add...

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on that. It's paid for...

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..pretty much most that you can see.

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So everything down from the sweet jars to the fudge cabinet,

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to the till registers that we've got,

0:39:510:39:54

scales, our old-fashioned weighing scales.

0:39:540:39:57

It paid some way to the deposit on the lease on the coffee machine.

0:39:570:40:01

It's incredible. I kind of pinch myself. I walk in and I go, "Wow!

0:40:030:40:05

"We've done that!" But it's being

0:40:050:40:07

able to turn what's a figure in your bank account

0:40:070:40:10

into something that's actually tangible

0:40:100:40:12

and something that's going to help build the business,

0:40:120:40:15

build Ma Larkin's and build the brand and you know, help us,

0:40:150:40:20

give us a way of life, really.

0:40:200:40:22

At last, the couple can stand back and admire what they've achieved.

0:40:220:40:27

What you see in Falmouth is what we've done, so blood,

0:40:270:40:31

sweat and tears has got us to where we are.

0:40:310:40:34

But there's no looking back.

0:40:340:40:36

We just won't go down.

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The only way that we can go is up.

0:40:380:40:40

I do believe it. Sweets do make people happy!

0:40:410:40:43

THEY LAUGH

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Every day, credit unions and responsible lenders

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are changing the lives of millions of people.

0:40:520:40:55

The average size loan we do is 11,500.

0:40:550:40:58

Nationally, 50,000 of these loans have been approved.

0:40:580:41:01

That's created probably about 100,000 jobs.

0:41:020:41:06

We've had queues out the door and down the street.

0:41:060:41:09

This series, we've met people who have received

0:41:100:41:13

well over a quarter of a million pounds...

0:41:130:41:15

Hurray!

0:41:150:41:17

..money that saved the day...

0:41:170:41:20

We are going to offer you a loan.

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-OK.

-OK?

0:41:220:41:24

The credit union were there for us

0:41:240:41:26

at a really difficult time in our lives.

0:41:260:41:29

..helped people achieve their dreams...

0:41:290:41:31

I'm so thankful for the loan we had,

0:41:310:41:34

because it was enough to start an idea

0:41:340:41:37

and, without it, we couldn't be here today.

0:41:370:41:40

It's always good to put a smile on people's faces.

0:41:400:41:42

-Hi!

-Guess what, I got it!

0:41:420:41:45

Yay!

0:41:450:41:47

It will just be the beginning of very exciting things.

0:41:470:41:50

He was so chuffed, I think he even came in here to say,

0:41:500:41:52

-"So pleased I've got the loan."

-Somebody saying yes,

0:41:520:41:54

that's a very good feeling.

0:41:540:41:56

From sandwich bars...

0:41:560:41:59

Cheers!

0:41:590:42:00

..to dog spas.

0:42:010:42:03

From ice cream...

0:42:050:42:06

Is that the wickedest?

0:42:080:42:10

..to keeping warm.

0:42:100:42:11

Without that help,

0:42:110:42:13

the transformation to my life would have been impossible.

0:42:130:42:17

From £100...

0:42:180:42:20

..to 29,000...

0:42:210:42:23

..they're all grateful that someone believed in them.

0:42:260:42:29

Without the credit union's help,

0:42:290:42:31

I can't even say where I would be without them, really.

0:42:310:42:35

-It's brilliant.

-I'm elated.

0:42:350:42:37

Good day, good decision,

0:42:370:42:39

-and I'm quite excited.

-I'm pleased to tell you

0:42:390:42:41

your loan has been approved.

0:42:410:42:42

Portugal, here we come!

0:42:420:42:44

You know what? I'd love to think it is the start of an empire.

0:42:440:42:47

It's been worth it. Absolutely worth it.

0:42:470:42:50

So, bye-bye and thanks again.

0:42:500:42:52

-Bye-bye.

-See you.

0:42:520:42:53

Bye-bye. See you.

0:42:530:42:54

-How are you feeling?

-I'm feeling good!

0:42:540:42:57

I can boogie. I can boogie down!

0:42:570:43:00

Whoa! Look at that!

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