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-CROWD: -Put the guns down! Put the guns down! | 0:00:00 | 0:00:03 | |
Put the guns down! | 0:00:03 | 0:00:04 | |
Black Lives Matter. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:06 | |
Put the guns down! | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
It started as a hashtag in 2012 after 17-year-old Trayvon Martin | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
was shot dead by neighbourhood watchman George Zimmerman. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
-He killed my -BLEEP -boyfriend. His licence he's carried... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
Since then, iconic moments of police brutality captured on camera... | 0:00:19 | 0:00:24 | |
..meant the movement spread across America. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:30 | |
But now the Black Lives Matter brand has gone global, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
with marches in Australia, Canada and around the UK. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:37 | |
But why are people here marching? | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
I'm Nesta McGregor, I'm a journalist at BBC Radio 1 and 1Xtra. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
I was born in Jamaica but my family moved to South London | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
when I was nine. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:50 | |
I'm looking to find out what's causing | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
a rise in black activism in Britain... | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
They look at her and think, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
"She's a black little girl, she could be bad." | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
..and what it feels like to grow up black and British in 2016. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:04 | |
So I guess one of the primary reasons I wanted to make this | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
documentary was to highlight | 0:01:12 | 0:01:13 | |
what it's like being black in the UK in 2016. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
Even at work it happens on a daily basis - I'll have an e-mail | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
conversation or a phone conversation with someone, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
set up an interview, I'll go to their premises to meet them, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:26 | |
they'll come downstairs to reception, | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
look around, look around, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
go back upstairs and give me a call and went, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
"Nesta, you sure you're at the right place, mate? | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
"We've just been downstairs." | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
And then, like, there's a moment when you hear, like, | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
almost in their head, "Oh, you're the black guy that was at reception. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
"You're the BBC journalist." | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
It's only when I'm saying this now I realise, but it saddens me cos | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
I've sort of accepted it cos it's the way things have always been. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
And I know lots of people listening to this might feel the same. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
But there's gotta be a reason why now people want to take a stand | 0:01:56 | 0:02:01 | |
and show the rest of the world how they're feeling. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
I'm not really interested in hearing the same stats about black people | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
not being equal, four times more likely to be stopped and searched, | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
more likely to end up in prison. We've heard those numbers for years. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
What I really want to do is meet some of the people who've come out | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
to protest, and find out why they're here. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
For these protesters, obviously, trying to make their point, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
causing as much disruption as possible. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
Just in front me, traffic is at an absolute standstill. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
-What do we want? -CROWD: -Justice! | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
-When do we want it? -Now! | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
-What do we want? -Justice! | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
-When do we want it? -CROWD: -Now! | 0:02:43 | 0:02:44 | |
-What do we want? -Justice! -When do we want it? -Now! | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
-What do we want? -CROWD: -Justice! | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
-When do we want it? -Now! | 0:02:49 | 0:02:50 | |
One thing that's quite clear is it's pretty hard to find out | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
who's leading the march or if it does have a root. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
At the minute, the march has now gone back where it came from | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
and is now heading towards Suffolk. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
# All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us... # | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
It's pretty much trouble-free | 0:03:04 | 0:03:05 | |
but not everyone is here to show support. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
We come across a couple who should have been on holiday but missed | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
their flight because of a similar demonstration | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
-near Heathrow Airport yesterday. -This is important, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
something's happening here and we want you to address this... | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
-Of course it's important. -But it shouldn't be met with resistance. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
-It should be, "Yeah, that's true." -We paid £3,000 to go on our holiday. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:27 | |
We're pissed off with you. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:28 | |
..they're dead forever. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
Their family, everyone's gotta mourn them, everyone's gotta... | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
If you lot supported us before, we wouldn't have to do the airport. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
Don't shoot! Don't shoot! | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
Eventually, by luck, we come across one of the organisers - | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
19-year-old student Binati. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
It was to create as much, you know, awareness about Black Lives Matter | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
to the people that are here with us today, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
and to the people that didn't know the event was happening. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
And I feel like people who say that | 0:03:57 | 0:03:58 | |
what we're doing isn't going to change anything, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
they're just trying to silence us and we will not be silenced. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
There's things that annoy me, like comments about my hair not | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
being professional enough and I just feel like...instead of... | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
What I'd normally do, I'd change my hairstyle. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
To more of a suitable... Like, European suitable hairstyle. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
But, like, I've had enough of that and it used to, like, kind of | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
make me feel down but I've just learnt more to just embrace it. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
# All I wanna say is that they don't really care about us... # | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
As the march goes on, we come across this guy. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
..they're a fucking million immigrants. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
So what we've got is a gentleman here now being lead away | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
by the police who, during the march, actually came out of his shop, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
started shouting some abuse, telling people to go back home and how, | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
you know, they don't belong here. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
-..born and grown here. -Listen, I'm not... | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
They can't keep coming here, they can't keep coming here. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Don't talk over me. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:51 | |
I heard this gentleman say with my own ears that these people | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
need to go back home and stop coming here. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
Listen, my wife is a Jamaican woman, yeah? | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
I've got four half-caste children. I can't even say "half-caste" no more. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
I've gotta say "mixed race". | 0:05:03 | 0:05:04 | |
There's a thousand million immigrants coming, right? | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
-They can't come from France. -These people are marching... | 0:05:07 | 0:05:11 | |
-They can't get to the White Cliffs of Dover. -..for equality. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
If they don't feel equal in society what do you want them to do? | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Come here, come here. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:17 | |
So after the march I went to meet six of seven friends for a drink | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
and they were all white. And for the first time I was actually looking | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
at them and thinking, "What do they really think of me?" | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
And, "Are they being honest?" | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
And that was a little bit weird. And I also felt like... | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
after speaking to so many people at the march, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:37 | |
and now that I'm back at home... | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
And this is genuine as well, like, | 0:05:41 | 0:05:42 | |
it almost made me feel less black being at the march or that | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
I wasn't black enough because maybe if I hadn't been working | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
I wouldn't have been there, or I'm certainly not... | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
..as... | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
When I say "up for the fight" I mean up for marching. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:58 | |
Obviously I'm for equal rights but I don't think that I would have | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
got off my butt and went to a march. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:04 | |
A few days later, and I've arranged a catch-up with Craze 24. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
-'Hello.' -Hey, is that Craze? | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
-'Yeah.' -How you doing, man? It's Nesta from the BBC. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
'He tells me he's been pulled over countless times by police | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
'just because of the way he looks.' | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
How you doing? | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
'He was the one defending the protest to the couple who'd | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
missed their holiday, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
but he's also using his music to try and change things. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
# And when you hear me saying Black Lives Matter | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
# I ain't tryin' to say all lives don't | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
# I'm tryin' to make you pay attention to the facts | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
# You always say you got my back and then you leave me on my own | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
# If you're ready for the Black Lives Matter | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
# You wouldn't always try and criticise | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
# Instead of hatin' on the message, you would focus on the evidence | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
# The facts that we recorded on our phones... # | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
It's a lot cooler in here | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
than it was the last time I bumped into you at the weekend. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
Why were you at the march? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
I was there because I believe in the issues that they was marching for. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:09 | |
It's come to a point where we have to start talking and | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
addressing the issues before they go too far. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
So, it just come to that point where... | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
And everyone's gotta be responsible. I felt responsible myself. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
Black Lives Matter started in America and lots of people | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
can understand why Americans are marching on the street, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
but not why British people are marching on the streets. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
Black Lives Matter everywhere. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:32 | |
I'm not saying that we just march for Black Lives Matter, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
but Black Lives Matter does matter everywhere in the world. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
In Britain, black people are still affected by injustice. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
There was some people who'd come there because | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
-a previous march had disrupted their holiday. -Yeah. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
What did you get out of that conversation, if anything? | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
I got that they was upset because they was inconvenienced. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
I felt that they was enlightened briefly by us talking | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
so I felt positive that I touched someone | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
or there's a chance that I potentially touched someone | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
and made them see it from a different perspective. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
Again, we're all humans and it's not about black lives mattering | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
more than white lives or all lives or whatever, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:10 | |
it's all about us just realising we're all humans. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
If something happens that's wrong, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
we need to come together and deal with it. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
Craze admits, as a teenager, he was in trouble with the law, which | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
probably influenced his negative feelings towards the police. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
But what makes a 19-year-old from Manchester like Binati, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
who's never been in trouble, organise a march in London? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
I guess the first place to start is the obvious - the hair is | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
a little bit different than last time we spoke to you. What's new? | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
I got box braids. This is what you call box braids. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
It's like a protective hairstyle for my holiday. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
So I guess people's immediate thoughts would be, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
"So you changed your hair for a holiday but not for an employer." | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
For me, I can't keep up my hair for too long cos it'll start breaking. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
So this just helps it grow and stuff and obviously | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
me being on holiday and if it's getting wet every day it's going | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
to damage my natural hair, so that's the only reason I've put it on. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
Like, how would you measure the march, like, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:07 | |
whether it was a success or not? | 0:09:07 | 0:09:09 | |
I would have liked to have, like, thousands and thousand of people | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
but, you know, hundreds of people is better than no people at all, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
and because our voices are not being heard. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
So the reason that we're out on the streets is we want to stop you, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
like, from your daily activities, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
just to listen and feel our frustration. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
We're frustrated we're even having to protest. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
Do you remember the first time in your life that... | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
you felt you was treated a certain way cos of the colour of your skin? | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
I just went just to look for a job and over the phone I got it | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
and I got to the interview and the interview was fine, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
they said, "That's fine but your hair would have to be neat, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
"you have to wear your hair in a neat style." | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
And obviously I came with my hair out in my afro and I went home... | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
I was a bit disheartened but I didn't really think of it in-depth | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
like, "Oh, it's because of this," but it was just kind of like, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
"What am I supposed to do with my hair, like, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
"what way would be suitable for me to go into my workplace with | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
"hair that's suitable?" I didn't do anything, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
I didn't raise the issue with anybody, | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
I just said, "Onto the next one. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
"I'll just carry on looking for more jobs. It's not that big of a deal." | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
And that's kind of the mistake that I made for myself. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Cos it was a bigger deal. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
Binati's frustration is about people not accepting her for her natural | 0:10:22 | 0:10:27 | |
self, and it's that gut feeling of inequality or injustice that | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
is uniting black people. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
But everyone has their individual fight. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
Why when we're learning about black history in schools does it | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
start at slavery or civil rights movements? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
Why does my name stop me from getting a job? | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
Why is it an issue for me to wear my hair natural? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
We never learn about the kings and queens but, when we learn | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
about the Greeks and Romans, they go back hundreds of years. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
Why don't I see more people like myself on TV? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:58 | |
Why isn't there more black people in top jobs? | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
Why is it because I wear a do-rag and a tracksuit that I get | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
looked on as if I'm a drug dealer? | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
Why is it when people meet me they automatically think I'm black? | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
I'm not, I'm mixed race. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
Why do people take gangsta rap so literally? | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
Because half of the time it's not even what you think it is. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
Why don't we have a lot of black role models in life? | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
So why is it because I drive a nice car I get pulled over | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
four times in one year? | 0:11:25 | 0:11:27 | |
I question why we still don't have a black Prime Minister. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
At my school there's not many black people, so everybody just looks | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
at you differently like, "Oh, she's the only black person." | 0:11:33 | 0:11:37 | |
I'm always unsure why is it people assume I like hip-hop or why | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
it is people assume I'm good at basketball. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
I feel like I'm just the same as everybody else. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
There's a lot of young black people out there, | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
especially young black males, who lack aspiration in life | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
and the reason they do is because they've not got | 0:11:51 | 0:11:54 | |
a role model to help and support them. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
To try and understand why now more than ever before there's so much | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
momentum around the movement, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
I've come to meet Bee. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
Hi, thank you for coming to the exhibition. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
I'm going to need this cos this is when I pretend I know what | 0:12:07 | 0:12:09 | |
I'm talking about. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
'She's told me to come along to her exhibition which is about | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
'highlighting the voices of black women.' | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
And each layer is to show that black women are made up of multiple | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
different layers. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:21 | |
'Bee's been going to Black Lives Matter events for several years.' | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
So, talk to me then. What's your life like in Britain today? | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
I think life in Britain in 2016 as a black British woman is | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
actually really interesting. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:34 | |
Every single day I'm on social media talking about race and diversity | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
and that's really important for me. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
The reason why I mentioned 2016 and social media is because... | 0:12:40 | 0:12:45 | |
ten years ago there wasn't these platforms. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
So what happened in your life, then, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
why you wanted to get up and your voice to be heard? | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
My daughter - I have a seven-year-old - | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
and I want her to be herself, unapologetically. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
I don't want her to have to assimilate to | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
a culture that's never really going to be accepting of her. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
And, actually, there'll be people saying these marches did nothing | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
but make people lose support for a movement they perhaps believed | 0:13:07 | 0:13:11 | |
in but all you did was cause disruption. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
For me, it's like...the impact that had, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
now people know what Black Lives Matter is. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
People in Britain probably thought Black Lives Matter was just | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
an American issue, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:23 | |
but when that happened we were able then to insert our | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
conversation into how Black Lives Matter is also important in the UK. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
The UK has a different fight and that's why you're out there. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
The global face of blackness is American. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
So therefore when we do talk about anything to do with black people | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
we instantly think of America. We don't even think of Africa. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
Yeah, we're saying hands up, | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
don't shoot and we're not being shot in this country, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
but we want to show our brothers and sisters in America that we | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
are standing with them. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
In this county it's hands up, don't handcuff me, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
hands up, I'm not the suspect you thought that robbed that car. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
My child's life is at jeopardy if she went to America. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
My child is a black little girl growing up in this country, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
her life is also at jeopardy because people do not look at | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
her and view her the same as a white little girl. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:09 | |
They look and her and think, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
"She's a black little girl, she could be bad." | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
Craze 24, Binati and Bee - | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
three different experiences of life. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:18 | |
The sort of problems they spoke to me about might not seem as | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
dramatic in those in America, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
but don't forget this is on top of the fact that black people are... | 0:14:24 | 0:14:29 | |
They're underrepresented in jobs like judges, police chiefs or MPs. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
And a black graduate... | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
..with the same degree. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
Filming so far is interesting. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
I am surprised at this point because, when I started making this, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
I almost assumed what the story was and that I'll be able to easily | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
highlight how black people in the UK were victims of a racist system, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:04 | |
and I think there definitely is a large element of that. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
But I definitely am starting to believe that the people that | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
are complaining, me included, | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
we need to do more as individuals, as communities. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
Like, forget colour. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
If you keep telling people that they can't be something enough, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
slowly and surely they start to believe it. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
Very early on I knew that I wanted to escape growing up on | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
a council estate, never owning your own home, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
so I had a plan in place to do that. I'd go to school and college | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
and study hard and then I'll take it from there. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
The only we can change it, if we want more black teachers, | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
more black politicians, more black police officers, | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
if we're not qualifying for those positions in the first place | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
then it makes absolutely no sense. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
You say to people, "You want to be on TV?" They go, "Yeah, yeah, yeah." | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
OK, or you're on YouTube or you're making videos, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
"Are you applying for internships?" | 0:15:54 | 0:15:55 | |
"Oh, no, no, no." | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
Like, you can't just wait at the bottom of a ladder for something | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
to fall to you. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:01 | |
At least if you climbed halfway up that ladder and stuck up your hand, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
someone might have a better chance of actually reaching for you | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
because they see you genuinely want to be on there. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
Most of the people that we've spoken to have been stumped by one question | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
and it's, "OK, you've got a top politician | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
"or a leader right in front of you, and you want things to change. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
"What would you say to them?" | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
What would I say to Theresa May? | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
Um... | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
Oh. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
I don't know how to answer that. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
No-one knows the change they're asking for. It's like... | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
that change can only be, I think, within yourself. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
Like, if I've met someone who says, | 0:16:41 | 0:16:43 | |
"Every single time I go down the street | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
"in a do-rag and tracksuit bottoms, someone thinks I'm a drug dealer." | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
And I say to them, | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
"Well, don't wear the do-rag or the tracksuit bottoms." | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
It's like, "Oh, my God" Like... Like.... | 0:16:52 | 0:16:54 | |
"You want me to whiten up." But it's not whitening up. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
People are not going to change their perceptions but you can change. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
So if you had to take off the tracksuit bottoms and people | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
judge you differently and you might get further in life, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
like, what kind of a sacrifice is that? | 0:17:08 | 0:17:10 | |
# Right | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
# My eye just changed | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
# You just buzzed the front gate, I | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
# Thank God you came... # | 0:17:17 | 0:17:18 | |
Today I'm meeting Jen. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
She's a film-maker now but studied law at uni. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
-You all right? -How are you? Good to see you. -I'm good, I'm good. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
'She's been on Black Lives Matter marches before | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
'but knows first-hand the importance of getting a good education | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
'and equipping yourself | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
'with the right tools to deal with an unfair society.' | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
-I was in a class of, I think, there's 26 of us. -Yeah. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
And there was at least one child from every major ethnicity, | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
but for the most part it was a black school. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
But there were all races represented. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:47 | |
But we were all united by class. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:49 | |
Because we were all children of immigrants, basically, you know? | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
And you have a lot of kids who have this level of frustration | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
-who grow up thinking, "It's me." -Yeah. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
"There's something wrong with me." | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
And as an individual, and on a very kind of mental, psychological level, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
it's kind of like a recipe for disaster. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
If we say the system's not going to change and I'm for us | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
changing as people, lots of people say, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
"Why should I have to change? Why should I have to perform?" | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
Is that something you can relate to? | 0:18:16 | 0:18:17 | |
It's the whole idea of, like, | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
tracksuits and hoodies or wanting to dress down. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:22 | |
And some people can say, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:23 | |
"It's no different to a white man wearing a tracksuit and hoodie." | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
You're both going to have assumptions about who you are, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
based on what you're wearing. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
But I guess the point I'm trying to make is the fact that it's true, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:34 | |
you know, there will be an assumption of this white person | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
in terms of what they're wearing | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
and there will be an assumption on you in terms of what you're wearing. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
But as a black man there's an added assumption | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
on top of that general assumption. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
You've done everything you were told that you couldn't do. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
You're doing what I would consider, if not a dream job, | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
certainly a job that you love. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:54 | |
-So...fight's over. -Fight's just begun. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
So, as you can guess, I'm back at home, | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
about to make dinner for a few specially-invited guests. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
And part of the reason I'm doing this | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
is because I'm a tiny bit confused. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:14 | |
We have my good friend Adrian who I play football with. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
Have done for a few years. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:19 | |
And he works with disadvantaged children. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
We've got Bee, who you might remember from the art gallery. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
We have Brad, who is a friend of my girlfriend, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
and we've been out socially a few times as well. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
And me. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:33 | |
Obviously. Chef, host. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
You name it. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:36 | |
Chicken to start, lamb for main, let's hope there's not an argument | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
for dessert over my new thought that it's better to change tact | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
than wait for society to change. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
I think asking black people to change themselves is a reach. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
We can't change because we haven't done anything wrong. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
We live in a society... | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
Change doesn't always mean you're doing anything wrong, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
it just means a different approach. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:58 | |
I know, but I think... I don't know, though, like... | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
No-one is going to... | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
You're not going to jump into the top of a company, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
you have to start somewhere, that was my point. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
Yeah, I do think so, I'm not going to deny that you shouldn't start | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
somewhere. If you want to be part of the game, you get in the game, | 0:20:10 | 0:20:15 | |
you don't sit on the sidewalk. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
The key thing here - and this is where you come in - | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
in terms of...even if we're going to infiltrate the system and work, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:24 | |
we still need... | 0:20:24 | 0:20:25 | |
-White allies. -..white allies. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
-Of course. -We're not saying... | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
-But... -Do you guys... | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
I'm just... | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
Where you may see something, you've got the right to step in and say, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
-"Hey, that's not right." -Totally agree with you. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
But I think there's a generational difference, I really do. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
If I was in a position of power, it wouldn't bother me. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
Like, I do think it bothers people to employ black people. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
I think that's a generational thing. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:52 | |
'The night throws up a few surprises.' | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
-You've been stopped and searched. How old are you? -26. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:59 | |
Can you imagine? I know boys who are under 15 that get searched daily. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:04 | |
'Talk soon goes back to the marches.' | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
I don't think we have to look at every single protest in, like, | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
causing a change. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
You hope to get people to know what you're fighting for, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:15 | |
people know the issues. Just really bringing it to the agenda. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:19 | |
So, I mean, normally with a protest there is an end goal, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
so if it's just to highlight | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
the agenda do you think people are unaware? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
-That there is racism in Britain? -Yeah. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
Yeah, of course. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
Who's unaware? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
Um... | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
I think there's a lot of people will argue racism doesn't exist no more. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
So.. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:49 | |
As a black person I know there are a lot of cultures or races, | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
I'm bottom of the pile. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:54 | |
I'll speak to a friend and she's white, she prefers black guys. | 0:21:54 | 0:22:00 | |
But she's turned around and said, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
"My dad will never allow me to go out with a black person." | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
Brad, is that a feeling you can relate to? | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
Um, no, it's not. I don't know, it just... | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
I've never felt that way. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
And that probably is because I've gone through | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
a naive world where I've just kind of gone about my bit... | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
It's your experience, man, it's not naive, it's your reality. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
Don't you think that what you said about that girl, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
it goes back to the generational changes? | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Because I would never say that to my son or daughter. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:29 | |
I think that is ingrained in those people and I don't think that | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
will change. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
'With dinner over, there are some definite takeaways.' | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
It's an internal battle for me cos it's like certain people need | 0:22:36 | 0:22:40 | |
to be held accountable for their actions and their behaviour, | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
but we gotta play our role in this as well and create solutions. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
Tonight for me has been huge. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:48 | |
I mean, there's things that I've learnt which, as you said, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
the white saviours, you do need an ally. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
And you said, like, | 0:22:54 | 0:22:55 | |
and I'll be watching the news and I'll see the Black Lives Matter | 0:22:55 | 0:22:58 | |
on there but I wouldn't go on Facebook and post it, | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
I wouldn't go on Instagram. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:01 | |
And now that's kind of changed my attitude to think, "Yeah, I should." | 0:23:01 | 0:23:04 | |
And I should help and do something to help. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:08 | |
Cheers. Here's to dessert. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:10 | |
And washing up! | 0:23:10 | 0:23:11 | |
Binati's now back at uni and I wonder whether she still | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
has the same drive she had in the summer. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
When we spoke to you the plan was to definitely have another march. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
What are you guys actively doing? Apart from sharing stuff on Twitter. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
We've not...like, set a date for any marches, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:31 | |
just of yet. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Not that we're waiting for something big to happen, but... | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
we just don't think there's a particular reason just right now | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
to just go out on the streets and march. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
Which might please a lot of people who were saying marching's | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
never going to do anything, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:47 | |
"You guys were out in London cos it was a nice day." | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
But, you know, "Do this for 90 days in a row in the rain, | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
-"sleet and snow and I guarantee you wouldn't be there." -True. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
I mean, that would definitely, like, make a statement if we did it, like, | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
carried on every day. But, erm... | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
I, personally, couldn't do that. Not right now anyway. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
As filming comes to an end, I'm back where my life in the UK started. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
So we're back in Southeast London. This is the estate I grew up on. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
Got lots of new buildings. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:26 | |
Obviously some of the old stuff is still here as well. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
And I definitely say some of the best memories of my life | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
were made here. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
And this is where my attitude towards life in general, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
friendships, relationships, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
was definitely formed in this estate. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:41 | |
I lived here for maybe 15 years. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
It's where I met this man. Known him for over, what, 20 years in general? | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
-Yeah. -Do you remember over here playing when you could jump over | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
this easily? | 0:24:51 | 0:24:52 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
And I keep on telling people the craziest thing about growing up | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
in a place like this is so many people live here that there was | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
so many friends for you to have. You don't even need more. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
Don't need new friends, yeah. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:05 | |
I know lots of people are not council estate but it gives you | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
a certain character and a certain closeness and affinity to people. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
The only thing that was bad is...and I got no shame in admitting it... | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
-let's say that there was ten of us in total. -Mm. -I think me and you | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
are probably the only ones who weren't in trouble with the | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
law every week, or weren't going to prison and going to jail. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
What made you stay away from that side of things? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
Well, everyone dips in and dips out | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
but I just looked at the bigger picture. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
And also my home played a big part. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
Your foundation, yeah? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
My mum, sisters, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
they were doing well so you didn't want to drag everyone else down. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
Like, did you feel the system was against you and it wasn't | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
going to change so you had to give yourself the skills? | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
Maybe for the poor, working-class, it's harder, but that's general, | 0:25:55 | 0:26:00 | |
that'll be white, black, Indian, Chinese, you know, it's harder | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
than if I was coming from a middle-class family. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
It's a mind-set. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:08 | |
So, I never really tried to play the race card. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
I tried my best - it's too easy. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
It's because I'm black why I can't get that job? No. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
It's cos you didn't wear the right thing to the interview. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
Simple. You know what I mean? You didn't do your research beforehand. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:22 | |
I've got a lot of... | 0:26:22 | 0:26:24 | |
I don't like even talking about race but I've got | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
a lot of black friends that do quite well. But that's because... | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
I broadened my horizon, went to university, | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
met friends at university, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:34 | |
then the places I now go I meet a certain level of people, you know. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
So it's not a race thing cos I have black friends that are doing well. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:43 | |
-My thing is it's building blocks. -Mm. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
Me and you grew up on a council estate, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
so my one dream is that - and there's nothing wrong with | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
council estates - but my one thing is I want to leave my | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
son a home so that's one less thing he's gotta worry about. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
My thing is, my children have to go to private school. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
-I teach, yeah? -Mm. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:01 | |
So in school I'm saying, how old are you going to live for? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
Till you're 80, all right. So you want to be a "gangster". | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
More than likely, between the ages of 16 and 20 you'll go to jail, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
yeah? Get in trouble a numerous amount of times, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
and that's going to shape your life for the other 60 years. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
Look at the big picture. "No, but, sir, I need this, I need that." | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
Like, "This is what my bother does, this is what my uncle does." | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
I'm like, "But you don't need to do that." | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
Left. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:36 | |
'I couldn't leave here without saying hello to someone special.' | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
So we're just off to see my nan, who still lives on this estate. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
Hopefully she's in. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
SHE CHUCKLES | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
It's almost like you knew I was coming. How you doing? | 0:27:57 | 0:27:59 | |
Come give me a hug. You all right? | 0:27:59 | 0:28:01 | |
Would we get you to fix the hair...? | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
'When I started making this film it was to answer a simple question - | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
'why are black people in the UK marching? | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
'The answer's a simple one. It's that feeling -' | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
most, if not all, of the black people I've spoken to can relate to | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
the feeling you get when you don't feel equal. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:22 | |
All right, Nan, I'll see you later, yeah? | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
Yeah. Bye. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
I promise I'll come tomorrow. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
'Why now? Because, to be honest, from the time I arrived in the UK | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
'to my treatment now,' | 0:28:31 | 0:28:32 | |
nothing has changed. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
I think the only difference is, with the power of the | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Black Lives Matter movement, people are treating it like a brand. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:41 | |
It's something to jump on. | 0:28:41 | 0:28:42 | |
I describe it like it's a bus heading towards a journey | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
and at the minute the bus is travelling as fast as it's | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
probably ever going to travel, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
so why not jump on to get to your destination? | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
So after the dinner party at my house the other day, | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
I was thinking about it all night and I woke up with a thought - | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
bear with me, this is going somewhere - | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
in the old days houses were badly built so rats could come inside, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:05 | |
but over time... | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
we've reinforced the houses and they're built better so rats | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
no longer come inside, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:12 | |
and you can't change the rats, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:14 | |
they'll exist and they'll do what they want. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
But you can barricade your house, yourself, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
so that the rats don't affect you. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
I guess to me racism is the same. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
You can't eliminate it right now | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
but you can barricade yourself so that it | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
no longer affects you in the same way it did before. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
So, for me, the journey I've been on is very real | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
because back at the march in Suffolk I just wanted to hold hands | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
with all the other black people and take a stand about injustice. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
And I don't want to play down those struggles cos they're real | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
and it's what black people face every day, but my opinion | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
has definitely changed throughout making this film. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
He wants to play one touch. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
Because the thing for me is, if we want to escape this cycle and | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
we don't want this for our children or our children's children, | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
should we as black people stop waiting for a saviour, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
stop waiting for other people to help us, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:09 | |
stop waiting for the system to help us and take more responsibility? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:13 | |
Because if we do that then the rats of racism, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
they shouldn't really be able to affect us, should they? | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 |