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The nation's eyes are on George Osborne today as the Chancellor

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unveiled his plans to get Britain's Good afternoon and welcome to this

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BBC special on the Chancellor's Autumn Statement, broadcasting live

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on BBC Two, the BBC News Channel and BBC Online. Forecasters tell us

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the British economy is already back in recession. Unemployment is

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rising, inflation high, living standards squeezed. Today a --

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tomorrow will be the one-day nationwide strike, perhaps the

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first of many. The eurozone crisis moves from the periphery to the

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very core, threatening to engulf the Continent and also Britain in a

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long and deep recession. Some have even spoken of a lost decade. It

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would be hard to imagine a grimmer backdrop for the Chancellor, as he

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prepares an Autumn Statement designed to cushion the downturn

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and knows the economy back to health. Earlier this year George

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Osborne talked privately about doing away with the Autumn

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Statement altogether. It is a measure of the gravity of the

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situation that in just a few minutes he will stand up in the

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Commons to unveil something close to a full-blown Budget, the second

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of the year. We will bring it to you live and uninterrupted from

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12:30pm, including expert analysis from Stephanie Flanders, Nick

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Robinson and Robert Paxton. And we will have reaction from Westminster,

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the City and across the country. am on College Green opposite

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Westminster, where we will be talking to all MPs about what the

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Chancellor could and should do. am on this busy trading floor in

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Canary Wharf, gauging the mood among investors as they eagerly

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await the Chancellor's Autumn Statement and what it means for

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business, the market and growth. And I am at Cammell Laird shipyard

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in Birkenhead, where I will be finding out what it means for

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business and industry on Merseyside The coalition has been in power for

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only 18 months and already they are admitting that sorting out the

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economy is proving much harder than they originally thought. Today will

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be the Chancellor's latest response to its growing difficulties. In the

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next few minutes we are expecting George Osborne to leave the

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Treasury, make his way to the House of Commons. We are told he was

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working on his speech late into the evening last night at Number 11,

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Downing Street, as you would expect, and that it will last for about 45

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minutes. Much of what we are about to here has been judiciously

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announced or already leaked. Rarely has a budget or Autumn Statement

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been so prematurely and intentionally and bailed. I suspect

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to create the impression that the Government is doing all that it can

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to tackle the dark clouds. The darkest cloud is the threat to

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economic growth, which could derail the deficit reduction strategy.

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Since the last Autumn Statement of 2010, the economy has weakened,

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which is why so much of what the Chancellor will say today will be

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about reigniting growth. With a coalition determined to stick to

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deficit targets and the eurozone threatening to scupper everybody's

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growth plans, it is not clear how much of the difference Mr Osborne

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can make. This morning the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg and the

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leader of the Labour Party, Ed Miliband, well, they were at

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getting their messages across. This is what they had to say. We need to

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do absolutely everything we can to promote growth and support

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confidence in the economy at the time when self-evidently the

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economic circumstances in which we live have deteriorated compared to

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what we might have anticipated a year-and-a-half ago. And that is

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what we are doing. All we will see today will be a Chancellor

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announcing higher unemployment, lower growth and higher borrowing.

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The plans are hurting but they are not working. That is why he has to

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change course today, and accept that his plan has failed. And he

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has got to take action to get the economy moving. This is the age of

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the politics of debt and deficit. This is what dominates the economic

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exchanges between Government and opposition. There was a time when

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the coalition concentrated almost solely on his deficit reduction

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strategy. As growth faltered and opposition criticism began to bite,

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it has had to show that they are not just a one-trick pony. I

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suspect that is one of the reasons why they have been leaking like a

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sieve and we know so much already about what the Chancellor will say.

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The reason we know so much is simple, and that is because there

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will only be one headline tonight, which is the depth of a hole that

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Britain is in economically, and the depth of the pain that is still to

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be suffered by people, in addition to the spending cuts and tax rises

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that have already been announced. If you like, the good news, the

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measure designed to get growth going, has been dribbled out over

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the past week because the Chancellor knows that he simply

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cannot compete with the scale of, let's be honest, the awfulness of

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the economic news that we are going to get. Growth down, borrowing up,

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the size of the economic hole bigger, and therefore a series of

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measures, not just today but over the next months and indeed years,

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and crucially beyond the next election, needed to make people get

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less from the state, pay more to make the books balance. And worst

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of all politically for the Chancellor, having to meet the

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Prime Minister's words. He said the books would be balanced in five

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years and they will not be. A lot of what we are about to here will

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only be confirmation of what we already know, that Mr Osborne would

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not be Mr Osborne if he had not kept something juicy up his sleeve.

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He has been something of an early Father Christmas for first-time

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buyers, at rail travellers, construction workers ready for

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shovel-ready jobs, working mothers needing nursery care, young people

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needing a job. He has been trying to sweeten the bitter pill of the

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Autumn Statement. The latest economic forecast on growth, debt,

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and the deficit, from the Office for budget responsibility. I do not

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think there is any good news in any of that. I don't think there will

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be any good news. Cast your mind back to June, 2010. At the time, it

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seemed quite gloomy. We thought the coalition was talking about needing

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to come together, solving an emergency in public finances. That

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looks like the sunny uplands compared to the forecast we are

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looking at now. Going back then, the Independent Office for Budget

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Responsibility was expecting a return to growth, investment, as

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that the economy would be growing by 2.3% and next year by 2.8%. That

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would not actually be very high for a normal recovery, but we are not

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looking at a normal recovery and they had to reflect that in the

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Budget in March. Both of those went down to 1.7% for growth this year,

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and 2.5% for growth next year. But we know now that even those have

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turned out to be very optimistic. We do not know what the new figures

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will be but if you look at what the City is betting for growth, the

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average forecast is for growth this year of just 1% and next year, also

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just 1%. That many years into recovery. And then your forecasts

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are even gloomier than that. newer forecasts. Where does that

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leave a deficit reduction target? Well, not reducing it as fast as

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they wanted to. If you go back to 2010, the OBR thought that public

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sector net borrowing that you would peak at 155 billion. More than 10%

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of GDP and much more than we borrowed in any peacetime period.

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They said under George Osborne's plans that borrowing would fall to

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37 billion by the last year of the Parliament. We know that is going

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to go up because the growth forecasts have gone down. If you

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look at the City forecast, at the average of the forecasters surveyed

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by the Treasury itself, that number is expected to go up to close to a

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2 billion, 77 billion. That is an important number to remember as we

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go through. -- close to 80 billion. What was wrong with Labour's plans

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was that they were still going to be borrowing a 2 billion by the end

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of the Parliament, which was supposed to be a sign of their

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total lack of credibility. -- 80 billion. That gives a new meaning

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to divergence! We will be hearing more about investment in

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infrastructure projects, rails, roads, hospitals and maybe airports.

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The public and private sector is supposed to come up with the money.

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Will there be much of an immediate or short-term impact on growth?

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cannot have much of an immediate impact. Even though there is 5

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billion of spending all this Parliament on infrastructure that

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has been allocated for road projects and that kind of thing,

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you know that it takes a while to get these things going. And the

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weakness is right now. In the best case, we are talking once before

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people are hired, people start saying money in the economy. --

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months before people are hired. The majority of the money that will

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come from it will not come for years and years. 20 billion of it,

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provided by pension funds in theory, we do not know how that will in

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practice be delivered. Both sides had good intentions. Pension funds

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want to provide this money. But having observed pension funds in

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practice over many years, getting money out of them is not easy.

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most important audience for the Chancellor today is not you, me or

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the MPs in the Commons. It is the bond markets, the folks sat at home

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and abroad buy and sell our Government's debt. They have been

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prepared to accept very low yields and interest rates for British debt

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while the cost for other countries has gone through the roof. They

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will be worried that low or no growth could derail or delayed

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deficit reduction. Let's get a sense of what the markets are

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looking for. Maryam Moshiri is in Canary Wharf. The mood is one of

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great anticipation. The markets have been quite volatile in the

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last few months. They do not expect any handouts from the Chancellor

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whether or not he sticks to his fiscal rules, his austerity plans,

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with a plan for growth. In the last few months, we have seen gilt

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yields dropping down to 2.1%, a sign if ever one was needed that

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the markets are happy with what the Chancellor has filtered through

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over the last few days. What is the City looking for today? As you said,

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a lot of it has been leaked so that we know the Chancellor has plans

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for credit easing, to create opportunities for smaller companies

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to get access to credit. That has been leaked. Also the

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infrastructure spending, releasing money from pension funds for

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schools and hospitals and the infrastructure that the UK needs.

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Lots of it has been widely leaked. I imagine there will be some tricks

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up his sleeve to impress the market. We will have to wait and see what

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they will be at 12:30pm. Everybody is talking about the deficit and

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growth. Which is the most important to the City? Can both of them

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happen at the same time? That is the big question. There is pressure

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for the Government to try to stimulate growth. These are the

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measures that we will hear about today but it has to be within the

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confines of the deficit reduction plan. Going on in the background is

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the eurozone debt crisis and the Chancellor is very wary of the fact

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that the market will punish the gilt market if they move away from

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deficit reduction. He does not have much room for manoeuvre, does he?

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Certainly not. The markets will be watching this very closely indeed.

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Thank you very much indeed. It is clear from the mood in this City,

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that growth will be limited to a large degree, but they will have to

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work-out if the Chancellor has a plan to offset it.

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Thank you. We are also getting reactions from business men and

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women in Merseyside. Judith Moritz is at the Cammell Laird shipyard on

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the Mersey. If I had been speaking to you from

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here one decade ago, how different things would have looked, this

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place was in receivership. Now they have contracts here and plenty of

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work, not just in shipbuilding but wind farm production. They have

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diversified. This is a success story. I have brought some business

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people from around Merseyside with made who are waiting keenly to hear

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what the Chancellor has to say. We have the manager of a diesel

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engines company, the sea air of the Merseyside Maritime businesses, --

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and the manager of the Merseyside Maritime businesses. You have found

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it very difficult over the last few years, haven't you? Absolutely.

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Things have changed massively. In the last three years, there has

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been a dreadful decline. I have five staff that depend on me for

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What do you want George Osborne to say? You want to hear about credit

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easing and help for small companies like yours? I would like him to

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help with small business rates. For me employing five staff, business

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rates in the centre of Liverpool are horrendous. That would make a

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massive difference to me. quipped to me off air that you

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stocked some of his family's wallpaper. We do. We would like

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limb to maybe come to the store and purchase a few rolls. But on a

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serious note you feel he's been out of touch? He should come to

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Liverpool and support our businesses. Jim Teasdale, you speak

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for many small businesses like Elaine's. Have they all been

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finding the same problems, tough can credit and with banks helping

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them out, that kind of thing is This has always been a mercantile

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and maritime city. I represent 1,700 businesses and we aspire to

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develop a world class cluster of businesses. We are dealing with

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tough times economically and within that we have some real success

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stories. Cammell Laird is just one example, where it is a dynamo for

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growth, for jobs and creation. And it is diversifying. Although things

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are tough at present, the prospects are excellent. We are looking

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forward to building our strengths to develop and further grow this

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successful cluster. So put it together, world class cluster,

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world class brand and we are working together for business

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growth. But is this about getting back to what we do best, and roots.

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We are talking about a proud history of manufacturing and export

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is. This about rebalancing that between import and export and

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getting goods out overseas? We are a trading nation. 95 % of our goods

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comes by sea. There'll always be an import-export imbalance but there's

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a move towards more property- centric activity. There's move

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towards a recognition that the north of England can be fed by a

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major estuary, a major port this this part of the world. And there

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is support for manufacturing and manufacturing and logistics in a

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broad sense. You work for a company with a global reach but you spoke

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to me about the problem you are seeing in the UK is one of skills

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shortages, isn't it? What I'm looking for is real confidence,

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real bravery making decisions to attract younger people into the

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industry, into engineering, and incentivising employers to do that.

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That's one of the key messages we hope to hear from George Osborne

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later today. Like here at Cammell Laird you want to see apprentices

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for the future. Exactly. The area I come from, in Stockport, we have

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good connections with the education system and the council. We need to

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roll that out nationally. Thank you all for your time. We'll have at

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Cammell Laird a selection of business people watching what

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George Osborne has to say. They have their individual needs and

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requirements. We hope to speak to you later and see what they've made

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of it. Thank you Judith and a special

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thanks to our guests in Merseyside. They are freezing up there on the

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windy Mersey in late November. The Chancellor hasn't quite left

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the Treasury yet. There is the door he is expected to come through.

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Remember, on Budget days he leaves from number 11 Downing Street, his

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residence, with his famous red box. But on Autumn Statement days he

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leaves from the Treasury itself. He's running out of time. He only

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has 12 minutes. He had better get a move on! Maybe he is refusing to

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come out, the news is so grim. Jon Sopel is outside Parliament today.

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Andrew, thank you. As you have been mentioning, the Autumn Statement

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was supposed to be a low-key affair with the Chancellor updating the

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House of Commons on the latest economic forecasts. We can see now

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George Osborne has finally braved it. He is not going to miss it,

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Andrew. He is going to get there on time to deliver his Autumn

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Statement. It is probably only a 400 yard drive. No police escort.

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He leaves the Treasury. I guess he's going to be outside the Palace

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of Westminster in a very short order. So instead, the task of

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today has changed rather from what he originally thought. He's going

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to update the Commons on the Office for Budget Responsibility forecast.

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But a combination of weak growth and the crisis in the eurozone have

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persuaded the Chancellor that today he has to pull out all the stops. A

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reminder of the events leading to today.

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Tonight at ten the spectre of a return to recession in Europe, as

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growth collapses. So they're going through a

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financial crisis that is scaring the world. We could run the risk of

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what some commentators are already calling a lost decade. TRANSLATION:

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Europe is in the middle of what may be its toughest hour since World

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War II. Lower growth, higher unemployment,

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the troubling state of the British economy.

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The crisis in the eurozone is having a chilling effect, not just

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on eurozone economies, not just on market confidence but on the

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British economy, too. Britain will stick to the deficit

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plan we have set out. It is the rock or stability upon which our

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recovery is built, and it has delivered record low interest rates.

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Abandoning that plan would put What is happening in the economy

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now is a very large squeeze on We are trying to recover from a

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deep and difficult recession. Yet growth is slow, not just in Britain

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but in France and Germany too. But we are, frankly, well behind where

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And just as in Birkenhead I'm the only one wearing a coat. I've been

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joined by the former Conservative Chancellor, Nigel Lawson, the

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former Labour City leader minor moor minor and by -- Labour City

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leader Paul Myners and by Paddy Ashdown.

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It is still first and foremost about reducing the deficit and

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eliminating the terrible inheritance of public sector and

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public finance profligacy which the previous administration left this

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Government. Unfortunately because of the world economic situation,

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particularly the eurozone fiasco, it is going to take longer. But it

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has to be done and it will be done. And that is the core. Of course,

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this these difficult times George Osborne will want to do what he can

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to boost confidence. Confidence is such a, you can't measure it but it

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is such an important ingredient. We'll see a number of measures

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directed at that as well. Lord Myners is this just clearing up the

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that Labour left behind? No, the economy was recovering strongly in

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the 12 months from the third quarter of 2009 before it dipped

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back into a recession. We're back in recession in major parts of the

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country already. This austerity programme was meant to create space

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for private sector investment, for unemployment to come down, for

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inflation to come down and for growth. Hate achieved none of those.

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Plan A has failed as a credible plan. What we are going to see

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today is an Autumn Statement which has now become an increasingly

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panicly Budget. Lord Ashdown, I would think you are rather more

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comfortable about the things we've been hearing about over the past

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few days, the capping of rail first, the infrastructure projects, help

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for people on the housing ladder. Then you know me well. You have to

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cut the deficit. Labour left behind a debt of �963 billion. Now, that

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is a larger debt to GDP ratio than Italy's debt, yet we enjoy interest

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rates that are lower than the Germans. Why? Because we are

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serious about cutting the deficit. The idea that Labour's proposition

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is having borrowed so much and got ourselves into so much trouble is

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we borrow more is unbelievable. If interest rates went up by just 0.5%

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because we started to borrow more, the consequence would be �4 billion

:24:47.:24:51.

it this year. Extra on our repayments. This is nonsense. You

:24:51.:24:55.

have to do what you can do within the strategy to get growth going

:24:55.:24:59.

and ease the burden but you cannot break the strategy. The proposition

:24:59.:25:03.

that the answer to too high a level of borrowing in Britain is to

:25:03.:25:08.

borrow more is unbelievable. Lord Lawson, you've wrestled at the

:25:08.:25:12.

Treasury, how much room for manoeuvre does George Osborne have,

:25:12.:25:17.

given that he has said these ambitious targets in terms of the

:25:17.:25:21.

deficit reduction? As Paddy said, provided he sticks to his guns he

:25:21.:25:25.

does have a certain amount of room for manoeuvre, because he has

:25:26.:25:30.

market credibility. If you forfeit market credibility you have no room

:25:30.:25:34.

for manoeuvre at all. If I may respond to one thing ta Paul Myners

:25:34.:25:40.

said, he said this was meant to be a cut-back in public sector and the

:25:40.:25:46.

private sector would move ahead. That will happen. I remember this

:25:46.:25:50.

very well. In the early '80s we had to do. This the problem was not as

:25:50.:25:57.

great but we still had a huge deficit which was too big. It took

:25:57.:26:01.

time before the private sector moved forward and unemployment came

:26:01.:26:05.

down. But it did. Did Labour spend too much in Government? Labour took

:26:06.:26:10.

the right actions with a global crisis to keep the economy growing.

:26:10.:26:14.

We saw a smaller in all in unemployment... That wasn't the

:26:14.:26:18.

question. We took the right action at the right time and we have a

:26:18.:26:22.

strategy for reducing the deficit over a reasonable period of time

:26:23.:26:28.

without damaging prospects for the economy. I'm not sure that answered

:26:28.:26:31.

my question. Thank you all for being with us. Andrew, back to you

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in the studio. Thank you Jon. American Airlines

:26:35.:26:39.

has filed for what's called Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It sounds serious,

:26:39.:26:44.

probably is, but it has happened before, in fact several times

:26:44.:26:49.

before, so I wouldn't completely panic, unless you are flying on

:26:49.:26:54.

American Airlines. Bonds hit 2.8% of a yield, down from the close

:26:55.:26:58.

last night. The markets are looking kindly on what they think the

:26:58.:27:03.

Chancellor is going to say so far. If you want to comment, you can do

:27:04.:27:09.

so on our website - bbc.co.uk/news click on Have Your Say. If you are

:27:09.:27:14.

tweeting the, use @bbceconomy. Ahead of the statement the

:27:14.:27:18.

Government's been keen to get the message out. Ministers are trying

:27:18.:27:23.

to promote growth. They've given us a battery of measures already.

:27:23.:27:27.

Everything George Osborne said he wouldn't do, a long list of

:27:27.:27:33.

proposals. Sounds like Gordon Brown! Exactly. We've had that �5

:27:33.:27:36.

billion that Robert Peston mentioned, over the next three

:27:36.:27:40.

years for infrastructure investment. They are hoping to get another �20

:27:40.:27:44.

billion from the private sector for those schemes. That's very much

:27:44.:27:49.

what you think is blue sky thinking at this point. There is that credit

:27:49.:27:53.

easing plan, hoping to underwrite, guarantee, up to �20 billion of

:27:53.:27:57.

loans to small businesses. We know that's been such arch issue. They

:27:57.:28:01.

are saying that could rise to �40 billion and give quite a reduction

:28:01.:28:05.

in the during costs for firms. For young people, such a big problem

:28:05.:28:10.

the rise in youth unemployment. There is going to be a �1 billion

:28:10.:28:14.

scheme, we are told. We've heard a lot about it except how it is going

:28:14.:28:24.

to be paid form. And we had details as long ago as a week ago they were

:28:24.:28:25.

talking about housing and �400 million to kick-start the housing

:28:25.:28:35.
:28:35.:28:36.

market to help people buy homes, and a mortgage indem nitty schemes.

:28:36.:28:42.

Lower rail fares, and a 3p rise in fuel duty that was suppose to do so

:28:42.:28:45.

happen in January. We are expecting that to be frozen or delayed. But

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remember all of this needs to be paid for. Either that or it is

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going to be off-balance sheet, it doesn't count against the during.

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Even if it is off the balance sheet, we will find it, Stephanie. Let's

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look into the Commons now. It is Foreign Office questions.

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Nick. What is interesting about the figures is that it means that the

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Chancellor will have to tell us of pain now, pain in the future, pain

:29:14.:29:19.

beyond the election, beyond anything we've heard in his

:29:19.:29:23.

previous Budget or Autumn Statements. He has to. He is saying

:29:23.:29:30.

he won't increase spending, gauz would be to abandon plan A. He has

:29:30.:29:36.

to say today who pays the bills for that. The banks might feel a bit

:29:36.:29:40.

more pain. We might hear tax credits are going to be held down.

:29:40.:29:45.

You always look for public sector workforce. We don't know what he is

:29:45.:29:53.

going to do on pay in future. And the big one, what about long term,

:29:53.:30:00.

the big pensions billing? Pain, pain, pain, and you can't even

:30:00.:30:05.

escape on American Airlines! Gordon Brown used to go through all these

:30:05.:30:11.

measures and the Tories used to despise it. The Tory critique of

:30:11.:30:15.

Gordon Brown was too much meddling around the edges, and there are a

:30:15.:30:20.

lot of micromeasures. All designed to improve the productive potential

:30:20.:30:25.

of the British economy. I suppose, underlying the micromeasures

:30:26.:30:30.

there's a very big and important point we have to grasp - the

:30:30.:30:35.

British economy was run in an unsustainable way for many years

:30:35.:30:40.

during the boom. We with consumed more than we earned. The big task

:30:40.:30:43.

for any Government is to encourage companies to invest more and to

:30:44.:30:48.

make them leaner and fitter so they sell more around the world and we

:30:48.:30:51.

close that deficit, which has been at the heart of all our problems.

:30:51.:30:56.

What will I be looking at is whether there is any sign of a

:30:56.:31:02.

rebalancing of the economy, to use that cliche, such that we are

:31:02.:31:07.

seeing more of a contribution in the medium term from companies

:31:07.:31:11.

exporting and investing more. It will be interesting what the Office

:31:11.:31:20.

for Budget Responsibility makes of We know that the borrowing will be

:31:20.:31:30.
:31:30.:31:30.

more than they originally thought, even more fun than Budget. -- even

:31:30.:31:34.

more than the Budget. The markets seem to be relatively relaxed.

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is difficult to read the markets... We have to go straight to the

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Commons now. Let me put squarely before House of

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Commons and the British public the economic situation facing our

:31:49.:31:54.

country. Much of Europe seems to be heading into recession caused by a

:31:54.:31:58.

chronic lack of confidence in the ability of countries to deal with

:31:58.:32:02.

their debts. We will do whatever it takes to protect Britain from this

:32:02.:32:09.

debt storm while doing all we can, all we can to build the foundations

:32:09.:32:14.

of future growth. Today we set out how we will do that by

:32:14.:32:18.

demonstrating that this country has the will to live within its means

:32:18.:32:24.

and keep interest rates low. By acting to stimulate the supply of

:32:24.:32:28.

money and credit, to make sure those low interest rates are passed

:32:28.:32:33.

on to families and businesses. By matching our determination on the

:32:34.:32:38.

deficit, with an active enterprise policy for business, and with

:32:38.:32:42.

lasting investment in our infrastructure and education, so

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that Britain can pay its way in the future. And at every opportunity,

:32:46.:32:52.

helping families with the cost of living. The central forecasts that

:32:52.:32:57.

we published today from the Independent Office for Budget

:32:57.:33:04.

Responsibility do not predict recession here in Britain. But they

:33:04.:33:07.

have done surprisingly revised down their short-term growth prospects

:33:07.:33:14.

for our country, for Europe and for the world. They expect GDP in

:33:14.:33:23.

Britain to grow this year by 0.9%, and by 0.7% next year. They then

:33:23.:33:33.
:33:33.:33:35.

forecast 2.1% gross in 2013, do 0.7% in 2014, -- 2.7% in 2014, and

:33:35.:33:41.

3% in 2015 and in 2016. They are clear that this central forecast

:33:41.:33:45.

assumes in their words that the euro area finds a way through the

:33:45.:33:49.

current crisis and that the policy makers eventually find a solution

:33:49.:33:54.

that delivers sovereign debt and sustainability. -- sovereign debt

:33:54.:33:58.

sustainability. If not, there could be a much worse outcome for Britain

:33:58.:34:03.

and I believe they are right. We hope this can be averted, but if

:34:03.:34:06.

the rest of Europe heads into recession it may be hard to avoid

:34:07.:34:11.

one here in the UK. We are now undertaking extensive contingency

:34:11.:34:17.

planning to deal with all potential outcomes of the euro crisis. Like

:34:17.:34:26.

the Bank of England and the OECD yesterday, instability is one of

:34:26.:34:30.

the central reasons for the reduction in the growth forecast. I

:34:30.:34:34.

want to thank Robert Chote, Stephen Nickell and Graham Parker and their

:34:34.:34:39.

team for the rigorous work that they have done. I think they are

:34:39.:34:43.

forecast today demonstrates beyond any doubt their independence. --

:34:43.:34:49.

therefore cast. But if we accept their numbers... This is an

:34:49.:34:54.

important point. If we accept their numbers we must also pay heed to

:34:54.:34:59.

their analysis. In addition to the eurozone crisis, the OBR gives two

:34:59.:35:04.

further reasons for the weaker forecast. First, what they call the

:35:05.:35:09.

external inflation shock, the result in their words of unexpected

:35:09.:35:15.

rises in energy prices and global agricultural commodity prices.

:35:15.:35:19.

Their analysis, independent, is that this explains the slowdown in

:35:19.:35:29.
:35:29.:35:30.

growth in Britain over the past 18 months. Second, the...

:35:30.:35:33.

statement by the Chancellor must be heard and he should not have to

:35:33.:35:41.

fight to be heard. The Chancellor. Second, Mr Speaker, the OBR today

:35:41.:35:49.

show new evidence that an even bigger component of the growth that

:35:49.:35:52.

preceded the crisis was an unsustainable boom, that the bust

:35:52.:35:55.

was deeper and had an even greater impact on our economy than was

:35:55.:36:00.

previously thought. And the result of this analysis is that the OBR

:36:00.:36:04.

has significantly reduced their assumptions about spare capacity in

:36:04.:36:08.

our economy and the trend rate of growth. This increases their

:36:08.:36:11.

estimate of the proportion of the deficit that is structural, in

:36:11.:36:15.

other words the part of the deficit that does not disappear even when

:36:15.:36:19.

the economy recovers. Our debt challenge is even greater than we

:36:19.:36:25.

thought because the boom was even bigger, the bust even deeper, and

:36:25.:36:32.

the effects will last even longer. Britain has had the highest

:36:32.:36:37.

structural budget deficit of any major economy in the world, and the

:36:37.:36:43.

highest deficit in the entire history of our country outside of

:36:43.:36:47.

war, and the last Government left it to this Government to sort that

:36:47.:36:56.

mess out. Now, Mr Speaker, this OBR analysis feeds directly through to

:36:56.:36:59.

borrowing numbers that are falling but not at the rate that had been

:36:59.:37:06.

forecast. In 2009-10, the last Government was borrowing �156

:37:06.:37:11.

billion per year. During the first year of this Government that fell

:37:11.:37:16.

to �137 billion. This year the OBR expect it to fall again to 127

:37:16.:37:24.

billion, then 120 billion next year, 100 billion in 2013, 79 billion in

:37:24.:37:34.
:37:34.:37:34.

2014, then 53 billion in 2015, and 24 billion a year by 2016-17.

:37:34.:37:38.

However, I can report that because of the lower market interest rates

:37:38.:37:42.

that we have secured for Britain, debt interest rates over the

:37:42.:37:50.

Parliament of forecast to be �22 billion less than predicted. -- are

:37:50.:37:56.

forecast. Given the economic events described by the Office for Budget

:37:56.:38:00.

Responsibility, what would have happened to borrowing without the

:38:00.:38:03.

action this Government has taken? The Treasury estimates that

:38:03.:38:12.

borrowing by 2014-50 would have been... The Chancellor's statement

:38:12.:38:15.

must be heard. There are strong passions on the subject and there

:38:16.:38:19.

will be plenty of time to people to come in on the back of the state

:38:19.:38:23.

that but it must be heard with a degree of courtesy. -- the

:38:23.:38:32.

statement. Borrowing by 2014-2015 it would have been running at over

:38:33.:38:36.

�100 billion per year more and Britain would have borrowed an

:38:36.:38:39.

additional �100 billion in total over the period. If we have pursued

:38:39.:38:45.

that path, we would now be in the centre of the sovereign debt storm.

:38:45.:38:49.

The crisis that we see unfolding in Europe has not undermined the case

:38:49.:38:53.

for the difficult decisions that we have taken. It has made that case

:38:53.:39:02.

stronger. We held our deficit reduction Budget on our terms last

:39:02.:39:05.

year, not on the market turns this year as so many have been forced to

:39:06.:39:15.
:39:16.:39:17.

do. On that Budget we set out a tough fiscal mandate that we would

:39:17.:39:24.

eliminate the debt problem. To be cautious, I said plans to meet

:39:24.:39:29.

these Budget rules one year early. That hetero has now disappeared. I

:39:29.:39:36.

am clear that our rules must be Ed tier two and I am taking action to

:39:36.:39:40.

make sure that they are. As a result, the OBR's central

:39:40.:39:44.

projection is that we will meet the fiscal mandate and the debt target.

:39:44.:39:48.

The current structural deficit is forecast to fall from 4.6% of GDP

:39:48.:39:53.

this year to a structural surplus of 0.5% in five years' time. The

:39:53.:39:59.

debt to GDP ratio, which is forecast to stand at 67% this year,

:39:59.:40:06.

is now set to peak at 68 -- 78% in 20 14th and be falling by the end

:40:06.:40:10.

of the Parliament. So borrowing is falling and that will come down. It

:40:10.:40:14.

is not happening as quickly as we would have wished because of damage

:40:14.:40:19.

to our economy by the ongoing financial crisis. But we are set to

:40:19.:40:25.

meet our budget rules and we will see Britain through the debt storm.

:40:25.:40:30.

Mr Speaker, there is a suggestion from some in this house that if you

:40:30.:40:35.

spend more, you will borrow less. This is something for nothing

:40:35.:40:41.

economics. The House should know the risks that we would be running.

:40:41.:40:45.

Last April, the absence of a credible deficit plan meant that

:40:45.:40:48.

our credit rating was on a negative outlook and our market interest

:40:48.:40:53.

rates were higher than Italy's. 18 months later we are the only major

:40:53.:41:02.

Western country which has had its credit rating improve. Italy is at

:41:02.:41:07.

7.2% and we are at less than 2.5%. Yesterday we were even borrowing

:41:07.:41:13.

money more cheaply than Germany. And those that would put all of

:41:13.:41:17.

that at risk by deliberately adding to our deficit must explain this.

:41:17.:41:21.

Just a 1% rise in our market interest rates would add �10

:41:21.:41:25.

billion to mortgage bills every year. 1% would mean the average

:41:25.:41:30.

family with a mortgage would have to pay �1,000 more. 1% would

:41:30.:41:35.

increase the cost of business loans by �7 billion. 1% would force

:41:35.:41:39.

taxpayers to find an extra �21 billion in debt interest payments,

:41:39.:41:44.

much of it going to our foreign creditors. In other words, 1%

:41:44.:41:47.

dwarfs any extra Government spending or tax cut funded by

:41:47.:41:53.

borrowing that people proposed today. That is the cost of just a

:41:53.:41:58.

1% rise. Italy's rates have gone up by 3% in the last year alone. We

:41:58.:42:02.

will not take this risk with the solvency of the British economy and

:42:02.:42:10.

British families. Mr Speaker, the current environment requires we

:42:10.:42:13.

take further action on debt to ensure that Britain continues to

:42:13.:42:18.

live within its means. This is what we propose to do. First, there is

:42:18.:42:22.

no need to adjust the overall totals set out in the spending

:42:22.:42:27.

review, had taken all together measures that I will set out today

:42:27.:42:30.

require no extra borrowing and require no extra savings across the

:42:30.:42:35.

spending period. Second, I am announcing significant savings and

:42:35.:42:38.

current spending to make the fiscal position more sustainable in the

:42:38.:42:43.

medium and long-term. In the short term, over the next three years, we

:42:43.:42:46.

will use the savings to fund capital investment in

:42:46.:42:52.

infrastructure, in regional growth and education, as well as help for

:42:52.:42:57.

young people to find work. Every �1 spent in this way will be paid for

:42:57.:43:02.

by �1 saved permanently. This includes savings from a further

:43:02.:43:09.

restraint on public sector pay. For some workforces, the two year pay

:43:09.:43:15.

freeze will come to an end next spring. For most during 2013. In

:43:15.:43:19.

the current circumstances the country cannot afford the 2% rise

:43:19.:43:23.

assumed by some Government department thereafter. Instead we

:43:23.:43:27.

will set public-sector pay awards at an average of 1% for each of the

:43:27.:43:32.

two years after the pay freeze ends. Many are helped by pay progression.

:43:33.:43:36.

The annual increases in salary great that many are entitled to

:43:36.:43:42.

when pay is frozen. -- salary grades. It is one of the reasons

:43:42.:43:45.

why a public sector pay has risen at twice the rate of private sector

:43:45.:43:50.

pay over the last four years. I accept that a 1% average rise is

:43:50.:43:53.

tough but it is also fair to those that were to pay the taxes that

:43:53.:44:02.

fund it. -- that work to pay. I am also announcing that we are asking

:44:02.:44:06.

the independent pay review bodies to consider how public sector pay

:44:06.:44:10.

can be made more responsive to local labour markets, and we will

:44:11.:44:16.

ask them to report back by July next year. This is a significant

:44:16.:44:19.

step towards creating a more balanced economy in the regions of

:44:19.:44:29.

our country, that does not squeeze out the private sector. Mr Speaker,

:44:29.:44:36.

departmental... Mr Speaker, departmental budgets will, with the

:44:37.:44:44.

exception of the NHS and the school budgets, where the money saved will

:44:44.:44:49.

be used to protect their budgets in real terms. This will save �1

:44:49.:44:54.

billion of spending by 2014-15. The deal we will offer on public sector

:44:54.:45:00.

pensions is also fair to both taxpayers and public servants. The

:45:00.:45:05.

reforms are based on the independent report of John Hutton,

:45:05.:45:15.
:45:15.:45:19.

He says it is hard to imagine a better deal than this. I would once

:45:19.:45:23.

again ask the unions why they are damaging our economy at a time like

:45:23.:45:29.

this and putting jobs at risk. Call off the strikes tomorrow, come back

:45:29.:45:33.

to the table, complete the negotiations and let's agree

:45:33.:45:37.

generous pensions that are affordable to the taxpayer.

:45:37.:45:44.

Mr Speaker, let me turn to other areas of public spending, starting

:45:44.:45:47.

with overseas aid. This Government will stick by the commitments it

:45:47.:45:52.

has made to the poorest people in the world by increasing our

:45:52.:45:55.

international development Budget. The whole House should be proud of

:45:55.:46:00.

the help our country is providing to eradicate disease, save lives

:46:00.:46:05.

and eds Kate children. But the spending plans of the Department

:46:05.:46:09.

for International Development meant that the UK was on course to exceed

:46:09.:46:15.

0.7% of national income in 2013. That I don't think can be justified.

:46:15.:46:20.

Adjusting those plans so we don't overshoot the target.

:46:20.:46:26.

Turning to welfare payments. The annual increase in the basic state

:46:26.:46:32.

pension is protected by the triple lock introduced by this Government.

:46:32.:46:38.

This guarantees a rise either in line with earnings, prices or 2.5%,

:46:38.:46:42.

whichever is greater. It means that the basic state pension will next

:46:43.:46:50.

April rise by �5.30 to �107.45, the largest ever cash rise in the basic

:46:50.:46:54.

state pension and a commitment of fairness to those that have worked

:46:54.:47:00.

hard all their lives. I wanted to make sure that poorer

:47:00.:47:03.

pensioners did not see a smaller rise in their income, so I can

:47:03.:47:09.

confirm today we will uprate the pension credit by �5.35 and pay for

:47:09.:47:13.

this with an increase in the threshold of the savings credit. I

:47:13.:47:19.

also want to protect those who are not able to work because of their

:47:19.:47:23.

disabilities and those who through no fault of their own have lost

:47:23.:47:28.

jobs. We will uprate working age benefits in line with September's

:47:28.:47:32.

CPI inflation number of 5.2%. This will be a significant boost to the

:47:32.:47:36.

incomes of the poorest, especially when inflation is forecast to be

:47:36.:47:42.

considerably less than that by next April. We will also uprate with

:47:42.:47:46.

prices the disability elements elements of tax credits and

:47:46.:47:51.

increase the child element to have Child Tax Credit by �135 in line

:47:51.:47:54.

with inflation. But we will not uprate the other elements of the

:47:54.:47:58.

working tax credit this coming year. Given the size to have outrating

:47:58.:48:03.

this year we will no longer go ahead with the additional �110 rise

:48:03.:48:08.

of the child element over and above inflation planned. By April 2012

:48:08.:48:12.

the Child Tax Credit will have increased by �390 sings the

:48:12.:48:16.

coalition came into power. The best way to support low income working

:48:16.:48:21.

people is to take them out of tax altogether.

:48:21.:48:25.

Our increases in the income tax personal allowance this year and

:48:25.:48:32.

next will do that for over 1 million people. Let me turn to

:48:32.:48:36.

future public spending Mr Speaker. Today am setting spends ture totals

:48:36.:48:42.

for the two years following the ends of the Spending Review period,

:48:42.:48:48.

2015 -16 and 2016-17. Total managed expenditure will fall during that

:48:48.:48:54.

period by 0.9% a year in real terms. The same rate as set out existing

:48:54.:48:58.

period toof Spending Review, with a baseline that exlose the additional

:48:58.:49:02.

investment in infrastructure also announced today. These are large

:49:02.:49:07.

savings and we will set out in future how resources will will be

:49:07.:49:12.

allocated between difficulty areas of Government. I am also announcing

:49:12.:49:16.

a measure to control spending not for today, next year or the next

:49:16.:49:20.

decade, but it directly addressing the long-term challenge British and

:49:20.:49:24.

so many other countries face with an ageing population. Our

:49:24.:49:27.

generation has been warned that the cost of providing decent state

:49:27.:49:31.

pensions are going to become mother and more unaffordable unless we

:49:31.:49:35.

take further action. Let us not leave it to our children to take

:49:35.:49:39.

emergency action to rescue the public finances. Let's think ahead

:49:39.:49:44.

and take responsible, sensible steps now. So starting in the year

:49:44.:49:50.

2026 we will increase the state pension age from 66 to 67, so we

:49:50.:49:55.

can go on paying a decent pension to people who are living longer.

:49:55.:50:00.

Australia, America and Germany have all taken similar steps. This will

:50:00.:50:04.

not affect anyone within 14 years of receiving their state pension

:50:04.:50:10.

today. By saving a staggering �59 billion it will mean a long term

:50:10.:50:14.

future for the basic state pension. We are showing a world sceptical

:50:14.:50:17.

that democratic western Government can take tough decisions that

:50:17.:50:23.

Britain will pay its way in the world.

:50:23.:50:29.

Now, Mr Speaker. That is the first thing. The Government can do in the

:50:29.:50:32.

current environment. Keep our interest rates low and protect our

:50:32.:50:38.

country from if worst of the debt storm. But we need to make sure

:50:38.:50:42.

that those low interest rates are available to families and

:50:42.:50:46.

businesses. It is monetary and credit policy which is, in a debt

:50:46.:50:51.

crisis, the principal and most powerful tool for stimulating

:50:51.:50:58.

demand. Last month the Bank of England's monetary policy committee

:50:58.:51:04.

increased quantitative easing. �275 billion. This will support demand

:51:04.:51:09.

across the commitment we must do more to help small businesss who

:51:09.:51:13.

can't get access to credit at an affordable price. We've extended

:51:13.:51:16.

the last Government's enterprise finance guarantee scheme. We are

:51:16.:51:23.

expanding it to businesses with annual turnovers of up to �44

:51:23.:51:29.

million. This scheme is by itself not nearly ambitious enough and

:51:29.:51:34.

never will within the constraints of state aid rules. The Government

:51:34.:51:37.

is announcing credit easing to help small businesses. We've set a

:51:37.:51:41.

ceiling of �40 billion. At the same time I've agreed with Mervyn King

:51:41.:51:47.

we will reduce by �40 billion the asset purchase facility the

:51:47.:51:51.

previous Government gave the bank to buy business loans. Only a small

:51:51.:51:55.

proportion of that facility was ever used. I'm publishing my

:51:55.:51:58.

exchange of letters with the Governor today. So we are launching

:51:58.:52:02.

our national loan guarantee scheme. It will work on the simple

:52:02.:52:05.

principle that we use the hard-won low interest rates that the

:52:05.:52:08.

Government can borrow at to reduce the interest rates that small

:52:08.:52:12.

businesses can borrow at. We are using the credibility we've end in

:52:13.:52:17.

the international markets to help our domestic economy. New loans and

:52:17.:52:22.

over drafts to business with a turnover of less than �50 million

:52:22.:52:25.

will be eligible to the scheme, so it is focused on smaller companies.

:52:25.:52:29.

We expect it will lead to reductions of 1 percentage point in

:52:29.:52:35.

the rate of interest charged to these companies. A business facing

:52:36.:52:41.

a 7% interest rate could see their rate reduced to 6%. We've developed

:52:41.:52:44.

with the Bank of England a mechanism to allocate funding to

:52:44.:52:47.

different banks based on how much they increase both net and gross

:52:47.:52:52.

lending to firms. And there'll be a clear audit trail to ensure the

:52:52.:52:55.

banks comply, for we will use the experience of the European

:52:55.:52:59.

investment banks loans for SMEs Fulham the UK to ensure it works.

:52:59.:53:02.

We are getting state aid approval so the national loan guarantee

:53:02.:53:07.

scheme will be up and running in the next few months. Initially �20

:53:07.:53:11.

billion of these guarantees will be available over the next two years.

:53:11.:53:13.

Alongside it we are launching a �1 billion business finance

:53:13.:53:17.

partnership. This is aimed at Britain's mid-sized companies, a

:53:17.:53:21.

crucial part of our economy, effected for too long and now

:53:21.:53:28.

identified by the CBI director- general and others as a source of

:53:28.:53:31.

growth. The Government will lend droll these businesses, in

:53:31.:53:37.

partnership with investment pension funds and insurance companies. It

:53:37.:53:40.

will give a new source of investment outside the banks. If

:53:40.:53:44.

the business partnership takes off I stand ready to increase its size.

:53:44.:53:50.

We will help Britain's small and medium-sized companies no.

:53:50.:53:54.

Government has attempted anything as ambitious as this before. We

:53:54.:53:58.

will not get every detail perfect first time round but we don't want

:53:58.:54:05.

to make an enmoif the Government. The important thing is the get

:54:05.:54:07.

Croat flowing to Britain's small businesses.

:54:07.:54:10.

Mr Speaker, the Government can use the low interest rates we've

:54:10.:54:15.

secured to help young families too. Who want to buy a home but can't

:54:15.:54:20.

afford the very large deposits the banks are demanding. We will use

:54:20.:54:25.

mortgage indemities to help 100,000 such families buy newly built homes.

:54:26.:54:30.

We will help construction firms that can't get bank finance with a

:54:31.:54:34.

�400 million fund that will kick- start projects which already have

:54:34.:54:38.

planning permission. And we are going to reinvigorate the right to

:54:38.:54:44.

buy. This was one of the greatest social policies of all time. It

:54:45.:54:48.

brought home ownership within the reach of millions of aspiring

:54:48.:54:51.

families. It was slowly and stealthily strangled by the last

:54:51.:54:55.

Government, as discounts were cut and cut again. We will bring it

:54:55.:55:02.

back to life. Families in social house willing be able to buy their

:55:02.:55:07.

own homes at a discounts of up to 50%. We will use the receipts build

:55:07.:55:12.

for every home purchase ads new additional affordable home as well.

:55:12.:55:16.

So new homes for families that need them. New home ownership for

:55:16.:55:21.

families who aspire to it. New jobs in the construction industry so we

:55:21.:55:26.

get Britain building. That's what our new right to buy will bring.

:55:26.:55:34.

Mr Speaker, in the years leading up to the crash, our economy became

:55:34.:55:38.

dangerously overdependent on the success of a poorly regulated City

:55:38.:55:44.

of London. Meanwhile, employment by business in a region like the West

:55:44.:55:49.

Midlands fell during this period. So by 2007 the previous Government

:55:49.:55:56.

was relying on finance for one in every �8 it raised in taxation.

:55:56.:56:00.

That left Britain completely exposed when the banks failed. I

:56:00.:56:05.

can confirm that the next month we will publish our response to the

:56:05.:56:09.

report we commissioned from John Vicers to protect taxpayers better.

:56:09.:56:15.

It is there Government's policy to ensure that we remain the home of

:56:15.:56:19.

global banks, that London is the world's pre-eminent financial

:56:19.:56:24.

centre. That is why we will not agree to the introduction of an EU

:56:24.:56:29.

financial transaction tax. It is not a tax on bankers. It's a

:56:29.:56:35.

tax on people's pensions. Instead, we have introduced a permanent bank

:56:35.:56:40.

levy so make sure the banks pay their fair share. I've always said

:56:40.:56:46.

we wish to raise �2.5 billion each and every year from this levy. To

:56:46.:56:52.

ensure we do that, I need to raise the rate to have levy to 0.088%.

:56:52.:56:58.

This will be effective from the 1st January next year. And we will also

:56:58.:57:03.

take action to stop some large firms using complex asset-backed

:57:03.:57:06.

pension funding arrangements to claim double the amount of tax

:57:06.:57:11.

relief that was intended. This will save the exalmost half a bill

:57:11.:57:15.

pounds a year. Mr Speaker, financial services will

:57:15.:57:20.

always be a very important industry for the UK. But we have to help

:57:20.:57:28.

other parts of the private sector grow. That means uncongested roads

:57:28.:57:31.

and railways for business to move products that cannot be reduced to

:57:31.:57:35.

a screen on a City trading floor. It means providing secure power

:57:35.:57:40.

sources at reasonable prices. It means creating superfast digital

:57:40.:57:45.

networks for companies across our country. These do not exist today.

:57:45.:57:49.

See what countries like China or Brazil are building and you will

:57:49.:57:52.

see why we risk falling behind the rest of the world. So we are

:57:52.:57:57.

publishing the national infrastructure plan today. For the

:57:57.:58:02.

first time, we are identifying over 500 infrastructure projects we want

:58:02.:58:06.

to see built over the next decade and beyond. Roads, railways,

:58:06.:58:10.

airport compassity, power stations, waste facilities, broadband

:58:10.:58:15.

networks, and we are mobilising the finance need to do so deliver them

:58:15.:58:20.

too. The savings I've announced in the current but the have enabled me

:58:20.:58:25.

today to fund pound for found �5 billion of additional public

:58:25.:58:29.

spending on infrastructure over the next three years. New spending by

:58:29.:58:32.

Network Rail guaranteed by the Government will bring �1 billion

:58:32.:58:36.

more. And we are committing a further �5 billion to future

:58:36.:58:40.

projects in the next spending period so that planning can start

:58:40.:58:46.

now. This is public money. By exploring guarantees and letting

:58:46.:58:50.

City mayors borrow against attach receipts we are looking at new ways

:58:50.:58:54.

to deploy it. We need to put to work the many billions of pounds

:58:54.:58:59.

that British people save in British pension funds and invest in British

:58:59.:59:03.

projects. You could call it British savings for British jobs, Mr

:59:03.:59:08.

Speaker. And the Government has goerbltded an agreement with two

:59:08.:59:14.

groups of -- negotiated an agreement to unlock �20 billion of

:59:14.:59:18.

private investment in modern infrastructure. We can today give

:59:18.:59:22.

the go-ahead to 35 new road and rail schemes that support economic

:59:22.:59:30.

development. In the North-West we will electify the TransPennine

:59:30.:59:33.

Express between Manchester and Leeds and work with Merseyside to

:59:33.:59:38.

turn the vision of the Atlantic gait away a reality Yorkshire and

:59:38.:59:42.

the Humber there'll be new stations and tram capacity. We will halve

:59:42.:59:47.

the tolls on the Humber Bridge. I want to pay tribute to the members

:59:47.:59:53.

for Beverley and brigand ghoul and other MPs who've campaigned for

:59:53.:59:59.

years. Under this Government it has. We are bringing forward investment

:59:59.:00:09.
:00:09.:00:12.

on the Tyne and Metro. In the South West, the Bristol link road and the

:00:12.:00:16.

A380 bypass will go ahead. For families across the South West,

:00:16.:00:20.

facing the highest water charges in Britain, the Government will pick

:00:20.:00:26.

up the household bills of all South West Water companies by �50 a year.

:00:26.:00:33.

In the East of England, we're going to make immediate improvements to

:00:33.:00:38.

the A14. In the South East, we will build a new railway link between

:00:38.:00:43.

Oxford, Milton Keynes and Bedford, to create 12,000 new jobs. We are

:00:43.:00:47.

going to stop on a crossing of the lower Thames, and we will explore

:00:47.:00:52.

all the options for maintaining the aviation hub status, with the

:00:52.:00:57.

exception of a third runway at Heathrow. In London, we will work

:00:57.:01:02.

with the Mayor for options on a new river crossing, and the extension

:01:02.:01:06.

of the Northern Line to Battersea, which could bring 25,000 jobs to

:01:06.:01:09.

the area. The devolved administrations will get their

:01:09.:01:13.

share. We are working with them to improve the links between our

:01:13.:01:19.

nations, such as the M four in South Wales and the overnight

:01:19.:01:24.

railway services North of the border. This is a huge commitment

:01:24.:01:34.
:01:34.:01:36.

to overhauling the infrastructure of our nation. And we will match it

:01:36.:01:40.

by overhauling the digital infrastructure, too. The Government

:01:40.:01:45.

is funding plans to bring super- fast broadband to 90% of homes and

:01:45.:01:49.

businesses across the country, and to extend mobile phone coverage to

:01:49.:01:54.

99% of families. This will help create a living, economically

:01:54.:01:58.

vibrant countryside. But our great cities are at the heart of our

:01:58.:02:02.

regional economies, and we will help bring super-fast broadband

:02:02.:02:06.

connections to 10 of them, including the capitals of all Four

:02:06.:02:11.

Nations. We will go ahead with the 22 enterprise zones already

:02:11.:02:17.

announced, plus two zones in the Humber and Lancashire announced

:02:17.:02:23.

today. Capital will be available to encourage manufacturing in

:02:23.:02:27.

Liverpool, Sheffield, the Tees Valley, the Humber and the Black

:02:27.:02:31.

Country. Those allowances will also be available to the north-eastern

:02:31.:02:38.

enterprise zone. And we will consider extending to create new

:02:38.:02:48.
:02:48.:02:53.

private sector jobs in the port of Mr Speaker, this Government's new

:02:53.:03:00.

regional growth fund for England has already allocated �1.4 billion

:03:00.:03:04.

to 169 projects around the country. For every �1 we are putting in, we

:03:04.:03:10.

are attracting �6 of private sector money alongside it. I am putting in

:03:10.:03:13.

a further �1 billion over the course of this Parliament into the

:03:13.:03:16.

regional growth fund for England with support for the devolved

:03:16.:03:19.

administrations as well. If we don't get the private sector to

:03:19.:03:23.

take a greater share of economic activity in the regions, then our

:03:23.:03:26.

economy will become more and more unbalanced, as it did over the last

:03:26.:03:30.

10 years. Governments should not assume that this will happen by

:03:30.:03:35.

itself. We should help businesses to grow and succeed and we can do

:03:35.:03:40.

that at a national level, too. For example, with our commitment to

:03:40.:03:43.

British science. At a time of difficult choices, we made hours

:03:43.:03:48.

last year when they committed to protecting the science budget. We

:03:48.:03:52.

are committing half a billion pounds for science projects, from

:03:52.:03:57.

Super Computing the satellite technology and health laboratories.

:03:57.:04:01.

We will encourage our small firms to export overseas for the first

:04:01.:04:06.

time. We are doubling to 50,000 the number of SMEs that we are helping

:04:06.:04:13.

and we are extending our support to British companies that are overseen

:04:13.:04:17.

by the German counterparts. We will make it easier for UK-based firms

:04:17.:04:24.

to compete for Government contracts. We will provide funding for smaller

:04:24.:04:29.

technology firms in Britain who find it difficult to turn their

:04:29.:04:33.

innovations into commercial success. And we have listened to the ideas

:04:33.:04:35.

from business groups about encouraging innovation in larger

:04:35.:04:40.

companies, and we will introduce a new above-the-line research and

:04:40.:04:47.

development tax credit in 2013 which will increase in visibility

:04:47.:04:52.

and generosity. And we will give help to our energy intensive

:04:52.:04:56.

industries. I have not shied away from supporting sensible steps to

:04:56.:05:01.

reduce this country's dependency on volatile oil prices and reduce our

:05:01.:05:05.

carbon emissions. While the Chancellor who funded the first

:05:05.:05:10.

ever Green Investment Bank. Our Green Deal will help people

:05:10.:05:15.

insulate their homes and cut their heating bills. But I am worried

:05:15.:05:18.

about the combined impact of the green policies adopted not just in

:05:18.:05:24.

Britain, but also by the European Union, on some of our energy heavy

:05:24.:05:28.

intensive industries. We will not save the planet by shutting down

:05:28.:05:34.

our steel mills and aluminium smelters and paper manufacturers.

:05:34.:05:39.

All we will be doing is exporting valuable jobs from this country. So

:05:39.:05:44.

we will help them with the costs of the EU trading scheme and the

:05:44.:05:48.

carbon price floor, increase their climate change levy relief, and

:05:48.:05:54.

reduce the impact of reforms on these businesses. This amounts to a

:05:54.:05:57.

�250 million package over the Parliament, and it will keep

:05:57.:06:03.

industry and jobs here in Britain. Mr Speaker, it is a reminder to us

:06:03.:06:06.

all that we should not price British business out of the world

:06:06.:06:11.

economy. If we burden them up with endless social and environmental

:06:11.:06:16.

goals, however worthy in their own right, not only will we not achieve

:06:16.:06:20.

those goals, but the businesses will fail, jobs will be lost and

:06:20.:06:24.

our country will be poorer. Our planning reforms strike the right

:06:24.:06:31.

balance between protecting our countryside, while committing to

:06:31.:06:34.

economic development which creates jobs. We need to go further to

:06:34.:06:39.

avoid the lengthy delays of the current system, with the time limit

:06:39.:06:41.

on applications and responsibilities for statutory

:06:41.:06:48.

consultations. And we will make sure that the EU rules on things

:06:48.:06:51.

like Habitat are not placing ridiculous costs on British

:06:51.:06:57.

business. Planning laws need reform... Order. The house needs to

:06:57.:07:03.

calm down. One honourable member has probably shouted enough for one

:07:04.:07:13.
:07:14.:07:15.

day. The Chancellor of the Mr Speaker, planning laws need

:07:15.:07:22.

reforms, and so do the employment rules. We know that many firms are

:07:22.:07:30.

afraid to hire new staff because of the cost involved. We are doubling

:07:30.:07:34.

the period after which an employee can bring an unfair dismissal claim.

:07:34.:07:38.

We will call for evidence on further reforms to make it easier

:07:38.:07:43.

to hire people, including changing the cheapie regulations, reducing

:07:43.:07:48.

delay and uncertainty and a collective redundancy process, and

:07:48.:07:50.

introducing the idea of compensated though full dismissal for

:07:50.:07:56.

businesses with fewer than 10 employees. -- no fault dismissal.

:07:56.:08:01.

We will cut the burden of health and safety rules on small firms

:08:01.:08:04.

because we have a regard for the health and safety of the British

:08:04.:08:07.

economy. This Government has introduced flexible working

:08:07.:08:11.

practices. We are committed to fair rights for employees, but what

:08:11.:08:14.

about the right to get a job in the first place and the right to work

:08:14.:08:18.

all hours running a small business and not be sued out of existence by

:08:18.:08:28.
:08:28.:08:31.

the cost of unemployment tribunal? -- employment tribunal? It is no

:08:31.:08:36.

good comparing ourselves with other countries. The entire European

:08:36.:08:39.

Continent is pricing itself out of the world economy. The same is true

:08:39.:08:47.

on taxes on businesses. We have set as our ambition the goal of giving

:08:47.:08:52.

this country the most competitive tax regime in the G20. Our

:08:52.:08:56.

corporate tax rate has already fallen from 28% to 26% and I can

:08:56.:09:01.

confirm that it will fall next April the 25%. We are undertaking

:09:02.:09:07.

major simplification of the tax code for businesses, including

:09:07.:09:11.

consulting on ideas for merging the administration of income tax and

:09:11.:09:16.

national insurance. We are publishing next week rules on

:09:17.:09:19.

foreign profits so that multinationals stop leaving Britain

:09:19.:09:26.

and start coming here. And we will end low-value relief for goods from

:09:26.:09:29.

the Channel Islands which is used to undercut our High Street

:09:29.:09:34.

businesses. We will increase the generosity of the enterprise

:09:34.:09:37.

development scheme and we will extend it to help new start-up

:09:37.:09:41.

businesses get the investment that they need, because even at the best

:09:41.:09:45.

of times they can struggle to get finance. In the current conditions

:09:45.:09:50.

that struggle ends too often in failure. From April, 2012, anyone

:09:50.:09:54.

investing up to �120,000 in a qualifying you start a business

:09:54.:09:58.

will be eligible for income tax release of 50%, regardless of the

:09:58.:10:04.

rate at which they pay for tax. -- new start-up business. And for one

:10:04.:10:09.

year, we will waive tax on capital gains invested through the new

:10:09.:10:13.

scheme. We can afford this with a freeze on the capital gains tax

:10:13.:10:19.

threshold next year. I want to help small businesses that find the

:10:19.:10:22.

current conditions are tough. Business rates are

:10:22.:10:32.

disproportionately large part of fixed costs. In the Budget, I

:10:32.:10:35.

announced the rate relief holiday and today I am extending that until

:10:35.:10:41.

April, 2013. Over half a million small firms, including one third of

:10:41.:10:47.

all shops, will have reduced or no rate bills for the whole of the

:10:47.:10:52.

rest of the next financial year. And larger businesses will be

:10:52.:11:02.
:11:02.:11:02.

helped with the rise in business rates. I also want to help any

:11:03.:11:06.

business seeking to employed a young person who is out of work.

:11:06.:11:12.

The OBR forecasts that unemployment will rise by 8.1% this year to 8.7%

:11:12.:11:18.

next year, before falling to 6.2% by the end of the forecast. Youth

:11:18.:11:24.

unemployment has been rising for seven years and is now unacceptably

:11:24.:11:29.

high. It is little comfort that this problem is affecting all

:11:29.:11:33.

Western nations today. The problem is of course primarily a lack of

:11:34.:11:41.

jobs, but it is made worse by a lack of skills. Mr Speaker, too

:11:41.:11:46.

many children are leaving school after 11 years of compulsory

:11:46.:11:54.

education without the basics that they need for the world of work.

:11:54.:12:01.

Our new youth contract addresses both problems. With of of private

:12:01.:12:07.

sector work experience for every young person unemployed for three

:12:07.:12:14.

months, -- with the offer. We will pay for a job or apprenticeship

:12:14.:12:18.

after nine months in a private business. As the Deputy Prime

:12:18.:12:21.

Minister has said, this is a contract. Young people that do not

:12:21.:12:24.

engage with this offer will be considered for mandatory work

:12:24.:12:28.

activity. Those that drop out without good reason will lose their

:12:28.:12:32.

benefits. Are we really going to tackle the economic performance of

:12:32.:12:40.

this country and tackle the decade- long problems of productivity? Then

:12:40.:12:44.

we have to transform our school system, too, so children leave

:12:44.:12:49.

school prepared for the world of work. My honourable friend is doing

:12:49.:12:54.

more to make that happen than anybody that has had his job before.

:12:54.:12:59.

The last Government, Mr Speaker, took six years to create 200

:12:59.:13:08.

academies. He has created 1200 academies in just 18 months.

:13:08.:13:10.

Supporting his education reform as a central plank of my economic

:13:10.:13:19.

policy. I am providing an extra 1.2 billion as part of the additional

:13:19.:13:25.

investment in infrastructure to spend on our schools. Half of this

:13:25.:13:28.

will go to help local authorities with the greatest basic need for

:13:28.:13:33.

school places. The other 600 million will go to support my right

:13:33.:13:37.

honourable friend's reforms and will support 100 additional free

:13:37.:13:43.

schools. These schools will include new maths schools for 16 to 18

:13:43.:13:47.

year-olds, giving our most talented young mathematicians the chance to

:13:47.:13:53.

flourish. Like the university technical colleges, these maths

:13:53.:13:55.

free schools are exactly what Britain needs to match our

:13:55.:13:58.

competitors and produce more of the engineering and science graduates

:13:58.:14:03.

so important for our long-term economic success. And to ensure

:14:03.:14:07.

that children born into the poorest families have a real chance to

:14:07.:14:12.

become one of those graduates, we will take further steps to improve

:14:12.:14:16.

early education. Last year it was this coalition Government that not

:14:16.:14:21.

only expanded free nursery education for all three and four

:14:21.:14:24.

year olds, but also gave children from the poorest one-fifth of

:14:25.:14:27.

families then you write to 15 hours of free nursery care per week at

:14:28.:14:37.
:14:38.:14:43.

the age of two. -- a new right. Thousands of children from the most

:14:43.:14:46.

disadvantaged families will get the support in the early years.

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Education, early years learning, this is how you change the life

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chances of our least well off and generally live two children out of

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poverty. And that is how you build an economy ready to compete in the

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:15:08.:15:09.

world. -- genuinely lift children. People know how difficult things

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are, but where we can help with the rising cost of living, we will. I

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have announced another freeze in council tax to help millions of

:15:18.:15:28.
:15:28.:15:29.

Train fares are expensive and they are set to go up well above

:15:29.:15:33.

inflation to pay for the much- needed investment in the new rail

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and the new trains we need. But RPI plus 3% is too much. The Government

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will fund a reduction in the increase to RPI plus 1%. This will

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apply across National Rail- regulated fares, the London tubes

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and our buses. Mr Speaker, millions more use their cars to go to work

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and pick up their children from school. It is not a luxury for most

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people. It is a necessity. In the Budget, I cut fuel cuty by one

:16:09.:16:16.

penny. The plan was for fuel duty to be 3p higher in January and 5

:16:16.:16:21.

pence higher by August next year. That would be tough for working

:16:21.:16:26.

families. So despite all the constraints upon us we are able to

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cancel the increase in January. Taxes on pets roll will be a full

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10p lower than it would have been without our action in the Budget

:16:37.:16:43.

this autumn. Families will save �144 on filling

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up the average family car by the end of next year. In this tough

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time, we are helping where we can. Mr Speaker, all that we are doing

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today, sticking to our deficit plan to keep interest rates as low as

:16:58.:17:03.

possible, increasing the supply of credit to pass those low rates on

:17:03.:17:08.

the families and businesses. Rebalancing our economy with an

:17:08.:17:12.

active enterprise policy and new infrastructure. Help with the cost

:17:12.:17:16.

of living on fuel duty and rail fares. All this takes Britain in

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the right direction. It cannot... Mr Speaker, it cannot transform our

:17:23.:17:27.

economic situation overnight. People in this country understand

:17:27.:17:32.

the problems that Britain faces. They can watch the news any night

:17:32.:17:36.

of the week and see for themselves the crisis in the eurozone and the

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scale of the debt burden we carry. And people know, people know that

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the promises of quick fixings and more spending this country can't

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afford at times like this are like the promises of a quack doctor

:17:51.:17:56.

selling a miracle cure. We do not offer that today. What we offer is

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a Government that has a plan to deal with our nation's debts to

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keep interest rates low. A Government determined to support

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businesses and support jobs. A Government committed to take

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Britain safely through the storm. Leadership for tough times. That's

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what we offer and I commend this statement to the House.

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STUDIO: That was the Chancellor of the Exchequer of the Exchequer

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sitting down. We'll now hear from Ed Balls. Mr Speaker, let me start

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by thanking the Chancellor of the Exchequer... THE SPEAKER: Order. I

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ask the right honourable gentleman to resume his seat. I said very

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clearly that people shouldn't shout and yell at the Charlotte. He

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should be heard in respectful quiet, as the public would hope. The same

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goes for the reaction to the Shadow Chancellor. Let's try to operate at

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the level of events. Mr Ed Balls. Thank you Mr Speaker. Let me start

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by thanking the Chancellor of the Exchequer for advance notice of his

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statement. And the Office for Budget Responsibility for ensuring

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that the Chancellor is today setting out to this House the truth

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about the state of the British economy and the truly colossal

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failure of the Chancellor's plan. Mr Speaker, let us be clear what

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the OBR has told us today. The Chancellor couldn't quite bring

:19:29.:19:36.

himself to say it himself. Growth flat lining down this year, next

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year and the year after, unemployment rising, well over �100

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billion more during than the Chancellor planned a year ago. More

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during than the plan which the Chancellor inherited at the last

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general election, Mr Speaker. And as a result, his economic and

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fiscal strategy is in tatters. After 18 months in office, the

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verdict is in: plan A has failed and it has failed close ally, with

:20:13.:20:19.

prices rising, with unemployment soaring, families, pensioners and

:20:19.:20:23.

businesses already know it is hurting. And with billions more in

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borrowing to pay for rising unemployment, today we find out the

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truth. It is just not working. Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister likes

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to say you can't borrow your way out of a crisis. Can the Chancellor

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confirm that is exactly what he has been forced to do? Higher during to

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pay for the criess in growth and jobs in Britain, the higher

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unemployment and the higher benefits bill that his failing plan

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has delivered. Mr Speaker, the Chancellor's out of touch and

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complacence hubris of a year ago now seems such a distant memory.

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The Prime Minister boasted Britain was out of the danger zone. The

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Chancellor claimed the UK was a safe haven. But we though the truth.

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Cutting too far and too fast has backfired. And every one of the

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Chancellor's claims of a year ago have completely unravelled. Mr

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Speaker, it is not as if they weren't warned, including by their

:21:32.:21:38.

coalition colleagues. Before the election, we said, like every

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country after the global financial crisis, we had to get our deficit

:21:42.:21:47.

down. And that meant tough decisions on tax and spending cuts.

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The question is not if you do it but how you do it. Which is why we

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on this side of the House warned if you try and cut spending and raise

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taxes too far and too fast you risk choking off recovery, pushing up

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unemployment and borrowing. We said the Chancellor's plan was reckless.

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He was ripping out the foundations of the House leaving our economy

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not safe but badly exposed to the growing storm. Let me remind the

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Chancellor what the managing director of the International

:22:22.:22:27.

Monetary Fund warned this summer. She said slamming on the brakes too

:22:27.:22:32.

quickly will hurt the recovery and worsen job prospects. And what has

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happened? Consumer and business confidence has slumped in the last

:22:36.:22:41.

year. Our recovery was choked off over a year ago. Since last year,

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slower growth than any other G7 country, than Japan. And they had

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an earthquake, Mr Speaker. Unemployment at a 17-year high.

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Over 1 million young people out of work. And today the news that

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growth this year will in the be the 2.3% the Chancellor so confidently

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predicted in the June Budget this year, but just 0.9%. And growth

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lower next year than this year, Mr Speaker, and lower than forecast in

:23:11.:23:16.

the year after. The fourth time the OBR has downgraded his growth

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forecasts in just 18 months. Mr Speaker, now today we learn that

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even judged by the one objective this Chancellor set himself - to

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get the deficit down - he is failing. Because with lower growth

:23:33.:23:39.

and rising unemployment, pushing up the cost of failure, can the

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Chancellor confirm that compared to his Autumn Statement a year ago

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borrowing is now not set to be the 46th billion pounds more than they

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said it would be in March? Can he confirm, compared to his plans of a

:23:58.:24:05.

year ago he is now going to borrow a staggering �158 billion more in

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borrowing? Higher borrowing than he promised a year ago. �158 billion

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more in borrowing. And can he also confirm, despite the pain of the

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�40 billion of extra spending cuts and tax rises, the Chancellor

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boasted about a year ago, can he confirm that compared to the plan

:24:29.:24:33.

he inherited from the previous Government at the last election,

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and commitment is higher, can he confirm that he is going to be

:24:39.:24:43.

during more at the end of this Parliament than the balanced plan

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he inherited from the Labour Government, Mr Speaker? That's a

:24:47.:24:57.

fact. Mr Speaker, a year ago, the Prime Minister told the CBI in five

:24:57.:25:04.

years' time we will have balanced the books. Not some kind of dodgy

:25:04.:25:08.

rolling target but a clear commitment to eliminate the deficit

:25:08.:25:15.

by 2015. Can the Chancellor tell the House, will he meet his fiscal

:25:15.:25:21.

mandate to eliminate the structural deficit by 2015? Isn't the truth Mr

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Speaker, with unemployment up, and borrowing up, going further and

:25:25.:25:29.

faster has been utterly counter predictive and self defeating? It

:25:29.:25:34.

has backfired. We've had all of the pain and none of the gain, Mr

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Speaker. I have to say, these OBR forecasts show the Chancellor's

:25:39.:25:45.

entire economic and fiscal strategy is now in complete disarray. And

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yet all we get are excuses. Blaming anyone and anything, the Labour

:25:51.:25:55.

Government, the snow, the Royal Wedding, the Japanese earthquake,

:25:55.:26:04.

higher inflation, VAT, the eurozone, low-paid dinner ladies and teaching

:26:04.:26:09.

assistants. Anybody but himself, Mr Speaker. When it is the Chancellor

:26:09.:26:15.

that is to blame, it is his failing plan that has pushed up

:26:15.:26:18.

unemployment and pushed up borrowing. It is his reckless

:26:18.:26:25.

gamble that has made things worse in Britain, not better, Mr Speaker.

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Of course, if eurozone countries continue to fail to sort out their

:26:30.:26:35.

problems it will have an impact here. But Britain's economic

:26:35.:26:41.

recovery was choked off a year ago, before the euro crisis. Look at the

:26:41.:26:48.

OBR forecast. They've downgrade growth in Britain this year they've

:26:48.:26:52.

upgraded growth in the euro area. Out of 27 countries in the European

:26:52.:26:56.

Union only Greece, Portugal and Cyprus have grown more slowly than

:26:57.:27:01.

Britain in the last year. Very to say, Mr Speaker, it is not only not

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too late for the Chancellor to change course. The deepening euro

:27:05.:27:11.

crisis makes it even more important that he sees sense. But instead, he

:27:11.:27:14.

is still clinging to the fantasy that any change of course would

:27:14.:27:20.

make things worse. And he still complains to the illiterate fantasy

:27:20.:27:25.

that low, long-term interest rates in Britain are a sign of enhanced

:27:25.:27:30.

credibility and not as they were in Japan in the 1990s or America today

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a sign of stagnant growth in our economy. This summer the head of

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the IMF warned the Chancellor, growth... THE SPEAKER: However long

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it takes, the situation is very simple, the Shadow Chancellor will

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be heard. That's all there is to it. Thank you Mr Speaker, they don't

:27:50.:27:58.

like it, but in is the truth, Mr Speaker. This summer, they set up

:27:58.:28:01.

the OBR. Maybe they should listen to their forecasts Mr Speaker. This

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summer, the head of the IMF warned the Chancellor, growth is necessary

:28:07.:28:10.

for fiscal credibility. But the Chancellor says a change in his

:28:10.:28:15.

plans would lead to a loss of credibility, even as he is forced

:28:15.:28:19.

today to confirm that this growth and during targets are now wildly

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off track, Mr Speaker. Last month, the IMF advised the Government, and

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let me quote. If activity were to undershoot current expectations and

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risk aperiod of stagnation or contraction, countries that face

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history ically low yields, for example Germany and the UK, should

:28:39.:28:45.

also consider delaying some of their planned consolidation. Mr

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Speaker, with the world darkening and with today's news that in

:28:49.:28:52.

Britain we are set to see stag understand growth not just this

:28:52.:28:56.

year but next, let me ask the Chancellor. Isn't it now time for

:28:56.:29:01.

him to listen to the IMF? How much worse does it have to get? How many

:29:01.:29:04.

more young people have to lose their jobs? How many more

:29:04.:29:07.

businesses have to go bankrupt? How many more times does Select

:29:07.:29:13.

Committee to come here and downgrade his growth forecasts and

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upgrade his borrowing forecast. How many more billions in borrow doing

:29:17.:29:22.

we need to pale for failure before this Chancellor finally sees sense?

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Mr Speaker, these would be difficult times for any Chancellor.

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But our fear is that, once again, the Chancellor is making a

:29:36.:29:41.

catastrophic error of judgment. He is refusing to learn the lessons of

:29:41.:29:45.

history or economics. He is refusing to shift to a more

:29:45.:29:50.

balanced plan. He got it wrong 18 months ago. He is getting it wrong

:29:50.:29:55.

again today, Mr Speaker. Repeating the mistakes he made last year will

:29:55.:29:59.

only make things worse. Isn't it now time to listen to the IMF, to

:29:59.:30:04.

cut taxes, to have a slower pace of spending reduction. Isn't it time

:30:04.:30:07.

for him to change course before it is too late? What to we have

:30:07.:30:12.

instead, Mr Speaker, a cobbled together package of growth measures

:30:12.:30:17.

which he must know and which the OBR forecast confirms do not

:30:17.:30:21.

address the fundamental problem that his rapid reckless and

:30:21.:30:27.

deflationary plan is choking off recovery and pushing up during.

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Mr Speaker, we've been here before. This is the third emergency growth

:30:30.:30:34.

package in a year. The last thing our economy needs is yet another

:30:34.:30:44.
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Honourable members do not have to take my word for it. Let's look at

:30:44.:30:50.

the OBR's own forecast. Do they think the Chancellor's plans will

:30:50.:30:56.

boost growth? No. They have revised growth down for next year. And in

:30:56.:31:03.

the following year it down from 2.9% to 2.1%. Does the OBR think

:31:03.:31:08.

the Chancellor's plans will cut unemployment? Let me tell the House

:31:08.:31:15.

two things from the OBR forecast which the Chancellor decided not to

:31:15.:31:21.

tell us. Unemployment is not only higher next year than this year,

:31:21.:31:30.

but higher the year after as well. And employment is expected to fall

:31:30.:31:35.

by 100,000 next year, Mr Speaker. We were promised a game changing

:31:35.:31:39.

statement, a great plan that would secure recovery. Instead we have a

:31:39.:31:42.

plan for growth which leads to lower growth and higher

:31:42.:31:46.

unemployment, Mr plan. It is not game changing, it is just more of

:31:46.:31:54.

the same. He has announced a new youth jobs fund. But let me ask him

:31:55.:31:58.

why did he ever abolished the Future Jobs Fund in the first

:31:58.:32:04.

place? They abolished it in their first month in office. The new plan

:32:04.:32:09.

will not be up and running until the middle of next year. He claims

:32:09.:32:13.

to have increased the Bank levy. So why is the cutting taxes on banks

:32:13.:32:19.

this year compared to last year? Down from 3.5 billion last year to

:32:19.:32:22.

2.5 billion this year. Why doesn't he cut of the bonuses and do

:32:22.:32:28.

something proper about youth jobs? He has announced a sensible halt to

:32:29.:32:34.

the fuel duty rise. But can he confirm as a result of last

:32:34.:32:38.

January's VAT rise that motorists are paying three pence per litre

:32:38.:32:48.

more on petrol, Mr Speaker. He has relabel credit easing, but why did

:32:48.:32:52.

you wait so long and why did he put his faith in the Project Merlin

:32:52.:32:57.

deal which has patently failed and as the Bank of England confirms

:32:57.:33:02.

today has seen net business lending fall over the last year? And as for

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his equally belated decision to set up a new infrastructure fund, this

:33:06.:33:10.

from the same chance or that that abolished the building schools for

:33:10.:33:19.

the future programme. -- the same Chancellor. How much of this new

:33:19.:33:23.

investment has been pre-announced? How much will happen this year and

:33:23.:33:27.

next year? How much of it is actually pre-announced funding for

:33:27.:33:31.

the next spending review after the next general election? Can he

:33:31.:33:35.

confirm that this new of budget infrastructure fund will be subject

:33:35.:33:40.

to a National Audit Office value for money test to make sure that

:33:40.:33:45.

projects are not more expensive for the taxpayer than direct Government

:33:45.:33:51.

borrowing? He has also announced a rebate for energy intensive

:33:51.:33:53.

industries to correct the chaos caused by his botched carbon floor

:33:53.:34:02.

price. He has reinstated just 10% of his plan for housing. As we

:34:02.:34:07.

study the small print, despite all the bluster of the new measures,

:34:07.:34:10.

because this Chancellor is so determined not to break from his

:34:10.:34:14.

failing plan, is once again giving with one hand and taking with the

:34:14.:34:20.

other. How are these new growth measures being paid for by hitting

:34:20.:34:27.

families and savers, Mr Speaker? How much will has cut in tax

:34:27.:34:35.

credits cost a working family on average income? -- will his cut.

:34:35.:34:38.

And is the Chancellor still meeting the Prime Minister's pledged to

:34:38.:34:47.

deliver real term rises in NHS spending this Parliament? Is the

:34:47.:34:52.

Government still hitting women harder than men? Are they still

:34:52.:34:57.

increasing Child poverty and not reducing it? Living he has already

:34:57.:35:02.

cut childcare support by �1.5 billion, busy helping women that

:35:02.:35:10.

want to go to work or is the making it harder? -- is he helping? If we

:35:10.:35:15.

are all in it together, why is it always families, women and children

:35:16.:35:21.

are paying the price? It is clear that the Chancellor's plan is not

:35:21.:35:25.

working. The OBR knows it, the markets know it, the IMF knows it,

:35:26.:35:35.

we know it. So increasingly did the Chancellor's coalition colleagues.

:35:35.:35:42.

His arch-rival the Mayor of London certainly knows it. We know why the

:35:42.:35:46.

Chancellor cannot change course. We know why he cannot accept the IMF's

:35:46.:35:55.

advice. We all know why even as the euro crisis deepens, even as he is

:35:55.:36:01.

borrowing �158 billion more than he planned, this cider political

:36:01.:36:11.

Chancellor will not budge. -- so political. He knows that he has got

:36:11.:36:15.

the economic judgments of this Parliament catastrophically wrong.

:36:15.:36:19.

If after just 18 months, his plan is leading to falling growth,

:36:19.:36:25.

rising unemployment, and �158 billion more in borrowing, the

:36:25.:36:29.

country either needs a new Chancellor or any plan, a balanced

:36:30.:36:37.

and credible plan on jobs, growth and the deficit. We need a real

:36:37.:36:43.

plan for jobs, growth and deficit reduction. Labour's five point plan

:36:43.:36:47.

for jobs, growth and deficit reduction. I have to say, Mr

:36:47.:36:53.

Speaker, protecting our economy, businesses, jobs and family

:36:53.:36:57.

finances is more important than trying to protect a failed economic

:36:57.:37:02.

plant. For his sake, for his party's sake, and in the national

:37:02.:37:06.

interest, the Chancellor needs to change course and he needs to do so

:37:06.:37:13.

now. The Chancellor of the Exchequer.

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Ed Balls replying to the Chancellor. We are leaving the House of Commons

:37:18.:37:21.

now. If you would like to watch the Autumn Statement debate which now

:37:21.:37:26.

follows, you can do so by watching BBC Parliament or going to the

:37:26.:37:33.

Democracy Live website. Just before we continue with our Budget

:37:33.:37:37.

coverage, there have been dramatic events in Teheran. Dozens of young

:37:37.:37:42.

Iranian men have entered the British embassy building in the

:37:42.:37:45.

Iranian capital, throwing rocks, petrol bombs and burning documents

:37:45.:37:51.

looted from offices. According to Iranian news agencies, British

:37:51.:37:54.

staff are having to flee from the back of the embassy. We will keep

:37:55.:38:00.

you up to date with that as we go on. Back to the Autumn Statement.

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Was it an Autumn Statement or a miniature Budget? Was it a full-

:38:05.:38:09.

blown Budget? The second this year. It sounded like that, as he went

:38:09.:38:12.

through his announcements were lower growth and more borrowing

:38:12.:38:17.

than he had planned and more public spending cuts to come even after

:38:17.:38:22.

the next election. And also tide continued control of public sector

:38:22.:38:32.
:38:32.:38:33.

pay. -- tight, continued control. It was a very busy statement indeed.

:38:33.:38:39.

Economic growth, bringing down at the debt, and unemployment. He is

:38:39.:38:44.

saying that the economy will grow by less than 1%, 0.9%, this year.

:38:44.:38:49.

It will be even worse in 2012, 0.7. He said there would not be a

:38:49.:38:53.

recession but when growth is that low, it is not far off and for many

:38:53.:39:01.

it will feel like a recession. It begins to pick up, too 0.1% in 2013,

:39:01.:39:11.
:39:11.:39:12.

2.7% in 2014. -- do 0.1% in 2013. Normally growth is predicted to be

:39:12.:39:18.

about 3% in four years time, so do not take too much notice of that.

:39:18.:39:21.

He then taught about the part of the budget deficit which does not

:39:21.:39:26.

go away with economic growth, which has now increased. It will take

:39:26.:39:31.

longer to get that down. Let's move on now to what follows from that,

:39:31.:39:36.

the borrowing forecast as a result of lower growth. He is now going to

:39:36.:39:44.

borrow in this current financial year of �127 billion. That is about

:39:44.:39:48.

five more than he had anticipated in the next budget. Next year it

:39:48.:39:58.
:39:58.:40:00.

goes down but not by much. By 2014- 15 it is down to 79 billion. Even

:40:00.:40:06.

by 2015, these are new figures, 53 billion is still being borrowed. By

:40:06.:40:10.

my quick calculation, by this financial year and the financial

:40:10.:40:17.

year ending in 2016, the Chancellor will be borrowing �101 billion more

:40:17.:40:23.

than he had planned, even in the March Budget. The Government debt

:40:23.:40:31.

as a percentage of our GDP is expected to peak in 2014-15 at

:40:31.:40:37.

around 70%. That is the way the British Government measures it. Lot

:40:37.:40:41.

of announcements about infrastructure spending, as we had

:40:41.:40:45.

expected in this Autumn Statement Budget. The Chancellor confirmed

:40:45.:40:49.

there would be �5 billion of additional public spending on

:40:49.:40:52.

infrastructure over the next three years. He rattled off a host of

:40:52.:40:59.

things, new roads, the Trans Pennine railway, railway schemes,

:40:59.:41:03.

35 of which have been given the go- ahead. There would be �1.2 billion

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of additional public money for school building. This is not

:41:07.:41:11.

additional spending. He has found money from elsewhere in the

:41:11.:41:17.

Government's massive budget and moved it from current spending into

:41:17.:41:26.

infrastructure. There is also relief in terms of transport. The

:41:26.:41:28.

3p feel duty increase planned for January this coming year was

:41:28.:41:33.

cancelled. He has said that the increase will go ahead in August,

:41:33.:41:40.

2012, but he might change his mind in the March November -- March

:41:40.:41:50.
:41:50.:41:52.

Budget, I suppose. The RPR it will -- rail fares will go up but not by

:41:52.:41:58.

as much as was planned. He will also help small businesses and

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medium-sized ones. There will be a loan guarantee scheme to give more

:42:06.:42:09.

borrowings to the SME sector. He said he would raise that ceiling if

:42:09.:42:17.

there was a demand. There is a �1 billion business finance

:42:17.:42:21.

partnership for mid-sized companies. And he will continue the labour

:42:21.:42:24.

market deregulation, basically making it easier and cheaper to

:42:24.:42:29.

fire people. More on the business side. �1 billion extra for the

:42:29.:42:33.

regional growth fund. That only covers England, headed by Michael

:42:33.:42:37.

Heseltine. The business rate holiday is extended from October,

:42:37.:42:44.

2012, to April, 2013. That is relief for businesses. And tax

:42:44.:42:54.
:42:54.:42:55.

relief for investments in small start-up firms. If you put in

:42:55.:42:59.

100,000, it will only cost you 50,000, even if you do not pay tax

:42:59.:43:04.

at that higher rate. Housing is one of the main areas that the

:43:04.:43:09.

Chancellor hopes to get some great back into the economy. He has

:43:09.:43:12.

proposed �400 million to kick-start building projects that already have

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planning permission but have not started. 300,000 homes have

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planning permission but they are not being built and this is an

:43:20.:43:24.

attempt to get that going. There is also the mortgage guarantee scheme

:43:24.:43:27.

for first-time buyers, which will make it easier for first-time

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buyers to get a mortgage for that first leg up onto the property

:43:33.:43:38.

ladder. There will be increased discounts available under the

:43:38.:43:43.

right-to-buy scheme, introduced many years ago by Margaret Thatcher.

:43:43.:43:47.

How do you pay for all of that in the longer term? The Chancellor had

:43:47.:43:52.

some savings to announce, too. The rise in the state pension age has

:43:52.:44:01.

been brought forward to 2026. We will all have to work until 67. And

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the public sector going on strike tomorrow of course, tough news for

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them. They know their pay is frozen at the moment and it will only rise

:44:09.:44:16.

by 1% per year after the current pay freeze, which essentially

:44:16.:44:21.

knocks out collective bargaining in the public sector. And elements of

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the working tax credit will be frozen. That is not all that was in

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this statement, but it is what we have been able to glean as the main

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headlines. Nick Robinson, I don't know where to start! This is the

:44:38.:44:41.

statement that George Osborne never wanted to make, which he feared

:44:41.:44:45.

making. It is a statement which is not only totally grimmer for him

:44:45.:44:50.

because he may have to make another one in the March budget which could

:44:50.:44:56.

be even worse. It showed us there is pain today. Tax credits are

:44:56.:45:00.

frozen for many people. There is pain tomorrow. Public sector

:45:00.:45:04.

workers will see that once the pay freezes over in 2012, that they

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will move not to another freeze but a limit on the total public sector

:45:08.:45:17.

pay bill of 1%. And for anybody over the age of 52, -- under the

:45:17.:45:22.

age of 52, they will have to work until they are 67 to get the state

:45:22.:45:32.
:45:32.:45:36.

Ed Balls, of course, therefore had the territory to say effectively,

:45:36.:45:41.

"We told you so and you should change course." And yet he is going

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to borrow a lot more, which is what Ed Balls him to do in the first

:45:45.:45:51.

place. Indeed, as we said with Stephanie before the speech, there

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is almost a convergence between what Labour was demanding and what

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Mr Osborne has now been forced to do. There is on the outturn. What I

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mean by that is Ed Balls would say he wouldn't have started here, as

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he wouldn't have started to fast and borrowing would will lower.

:46:13.:46:18.

George Osborne would say if you had started where Ed Balls wanted there

:46:18.:46:23.

would have been higher interest rates. So yes they converge but

:46:23.:46:29.

from different routes. One fact for you, a striking one. The OBR,

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Office for Budget Responsibility, estimate the number of public

:46:34.:46:37.

sector job losses there'll be. The important thing is that the

:46:37.:46:43.

Government have now told us that the spending cuts will go on beyond

:46:43.:46:53.
:46:53.:46:55.

the election into 2015 16 - to 710,000. Before that they forecast

:46:55.:47:01.

around 400,000 going up to 2016. That's a cumulative total. And at a

:47:01.:47:06.

time when given the growth projections, it is not exactly

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clear the private sector is going to create another 750,000 jobs.

:47:12.:47:16.

That's the worry. The expectation is that they will, the private

:47:16.:47:21.

sector, take that in later years. But the really striking figure, the

:47:21.:47:25.

economic number, was the big down growth in economic growth to less

:47:25.:47:32.

than 1% for next year. Stephanie, what is striking to me, since the

:47:32.:47:37.

Government has made such a centre of its economic strategy the

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reduction every year in the amount it hat to borrow, it continues to

:47:40.:47:50.

reduce but it is going to borrow a lot more, by my calculations over

:47:50.:47:56.

�100 billion between this year and the end of 1015-16. Won't that

:47:56.:48:01.

ratle the bond markets a bit? going to be an interesting test

:48:01.:48:06.

isn't it? People were expecting to see higher borrowing numbers. It is

:48:06.:48:10.

interesting to remember that long debate we were all watching that a

:48:10.:48:13.

year-and-a-half ago, the debate over whether Labour's plans were

:48:13.:48:19.

going to command the confidence of the financial markets. The exhibit

:48:19.:48:24.

A from the Osborne side and from the Governor of the Bank of England

:48:24.:48:27.

is you couldn't be credible about reducing a deficit this large and

:48:27.:48:31.

still saying you are going to borrow in the region of �70 billion

:48:31.:48:36.

to �80 billion. The belief was you had to have promised to balance the

:48:36.:48:39.

books over the course of a Parliament, because you couldn't

:48:39.:48:45.

commit future Governments to doing that. The symbolism of that in the

:48:45.:48:48.

new borrowing forecasts quite significant. The world has changed.

:48:48.:48:51.

George Osborne says borrowing would have been even higher under Labour,

:48:51.:48:58.

and I suspect Ed Balls would say something different. And the debate

:48:58.:49:04.

is over whether growth would have been higher with a less austere

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policy. It is an interesting point about the bond market, because the

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US for example has the very bad borrowing figures and it is

:49:11.:49:15.

borrowing at a very low rate. It is finding it cheaper to borrow than

:49:15.:49:18.

the UK is. On the other hand if you look at countries borrowing less

:49:18.:49:21.

than news the eurozone, they are having a difficult time, because

:49:21.:49:23.

their governments are note considered to be credible. I

:49:23.:49:26.

suspect we'll hear more about the market reaction and whether or not

:49:26.:49:29.

the low rate of borrowing that the Government has, the low cost that

:49:29.:49:34.

it is paying for its borrowing, is a reflection of cost in the market

:49:34.:49:39.

or is it a reflection that we are not expected to grow very fast and

:49:39.:49:46.

these are worrying times for the global economy. Robert, we had �1

:49:46.:49:50.

billion here, �1 billion there. In a sense it was budget with the

:49:50.:49:56.

content of Gordon Brown and the delivery of Iain Duncan Smith.

:49:56.:50:01.

harsh, Andrew. It certainly did have a lot of the flavour of the

:50:01.:50:07.

Gordon Brown budgets and pre-Budget statements. George Osborne did say

:50:08.:50:11.

the Autumn Statement was just supposed to be a description of

:50:11.:50:16.

where the economy is going. But we've had loads of the

:50:16.:50:21.

microadjustments of the economy that he used to criticise Gordon

:50:21.:50:25.

Brown for doing every six months. This is very much a meddling mini

:50:25.:50:29.

Budget in that sense. It is important given that Gordon Brown

:50:29.:50:34.

and George Osborne set themselves targets, and therefore one should

:50:34.:50:38.

hold them to account. An interesting paragraph in the Office

:50:38.:50:41.

for Budget Responsibility's report. It says, in the absence of

:50:41.:50:44.

additional policy measure in this the 2011 Autumn Statement, we

:50:44.:50:49.

believe the Government would have had a less than 50% chance of

:50:49.:50:54.

achieving its debt targets. What does that mean? The OBR is saying

:50:55.:50:59.

that George Osborne has flunked the debt targets. It is as close as an

:50:59.:51:04.

organisation ever gets to saying that. It's a significant critique

:51:04.:51:10.

of his earlier Budget. Crucially what the OBR are saying is that

:51:10.:51:17.

unless he transferred from date spending -- day-to-day spending to

:51:17.:51:21.

capital infrastructure, he would have breached his own targets. One

:51:21.:51:26.

of those involves dealing with current spending. So switching from

:51:26.:51:30.

one heading to another heading made the difference of whether George

:51:30.:51:37.

Osborne had the human imiation of saying I missed my -- humiliation

:51:38.:51:42.

of saying, "I missed my target.". To be clear, in terms of this

:51:42.:51:47.

difficult judgment he has to make about whether or not to press ahead

:51:47.:51:54.

with deficit reduction, some trougling news out of America, --

:51:54.:51:58.

troubling news out of America. Fitch is reviewing whether to

:51:58.:52:03.

downgrade the US from AAA. The Chancellor will say look, if I

:52:03.:52:08.

weren't taking this tough action there's a risk we would lose our

:52:08.:52:13.

AAA and borrowing costs would go up significantly. We've been

:52:13.:52:16.

struggling to get hold of copies of the budget book. The numbers we

:52:16.:52:24.

need to compare is the �22 whole in interest he says he is saving by

:52:24.:52:28.

being austere with the increase in unemployment benefit payments.

:52:28.:52:32.

Politically that will be terribly important. Most people would say

:52:32.:52:41.

those are payments for failure. had a lot of these rail programmes,

:52:41.:52:46.

roads wide ened, and this phrase from America, shovel-ready. When

:52:46.:52:52.

you speak to business people is there such a thing as a shovel-

:52:52.:52:57.

ready job? It takes weeks and months from giving aproful for

:52:57.:53:04.

these things to happen in terms of people being employed and money go

:53:04.:53:11.

into the economy. Business leaders all take the view the best way, if

:53:11.:53:15.

the Government is going to do anything to stimulate growth, is

:53:15.:53:18.

indeed to spend on infrastructure. Within the business community and

:53:18.:53:21.

the City, if they are looking at measures to stimulate growth, what

:53:21.:53:24.

he is doing in terms of infrastructure will receive a

:53:24.:53:28.

degree of enthusiastic support. We'll be back to you three a lot

:53:28.:53:32.

more to talk about yet. We are on until 3 o'clock. We've got plenty

:53:32.:53:36.

to cover in what was a packed Autumn Statement. If you want to

:53:36.:53:42.

comment on the Chancellor's statement you can do so by going to

:53:42.:53:45.

bbc.co.uk/news and click on Have Your Say.

:53:45.:53:55.
:53:55.:53:57.

Or if you are tweeting, use the # - @bbceconomy Jon Sopel is outside

:53:57.:54:04.

Parliament. He is going to gather political reaction to this

:54:04.:54:09.

statement. I'm joined by Lord Ashdown, Alistair Darling, the

:54:09.:54:12.

former Chancellor and Michael Fallon of the Conservative Party.

:54:12.:54:19.

Michael Fallon, growth down, borrowing up. Retirement age going

:54:19.:54:24.

up and a public sector cap on pay. Is there anything to be cheerful

:54:24.:54:27.

about? Yes, I think what the Chancellor reassured us about was

:54:27.:54:31.

he is still sheltering Britain from this storm that's engulfing the

:54:31.:54:35.

rest of Europe, that he is doing his best to help families through

:54:35.:54:40.

it at a time of rising prices and we are still on course to meet our

:54:40.:54:46.

deficit reduction plan, just beyond the end of this Parliament we will

:54:46.:54:50.

have got rid of the structural deficit. But borrowing a huge

:54:50.:54:56.

amount of money. Everybody knows we had much higher inflation than was

:54:56.:55:02.

anticipated. There is the slowdown in the eurozone. But overall we are

:55:02.:55:07.

still going to meet our targets, our main date and get our deficit

:55:07.:55:11.

back under controlling. Which is what they inherited from you. Night

:55:11.:55:17.

looks like the struful deficits will disappear about the plan we

:55:17.:55:22.

planned -- structural deficits. The growth forecast that the Chancellor

:55:22.:55:26.

made in his budget in the summer of last year has completely fallen

:55:26.:55:30.

away. We are talking about growth now having died at the end of last

:55:30.:55:34.

year. It is going to flat line for another two or three years. There

:55:34.:55:37.

is not a shred of evidence to suggest why it is going to recover

:55:37.:55:40.

the year after. We are borrowing more, not less,s which is the one

:55:41.:55:45.

thing the Government said it was going to balance the books by 2015.

:55:45.:55:50.

Clearly it is not now. But isn't the reason for that nothing to do

:55:50.:55:54.

with this Government but is to do with the eurozone itself? All of

:55:54.:55:59.

this happened after the crisis became acute in this eurozone. The

:55:59.:56:05.

economy grew in 2009 until the autumn of 2010, then it stopped. Of

:56:05.:56:08.

course the eurozone crisis is going to make things very difficult for

:56:08.:56:12.

us. Many of us have been saying for months now that unless it is sorted

:56:12.:56:19.

out it really will have a very profound effect on us. But to blame

:56:19.:56:23.

everything on the last Government's spending when the Government

:56:23.:56:28.

supported that spending up until 2008 and on Europe is getting

:56:29.:56:32.

disingenuous. A judgment was made on George Osborne 12 months ago

:56:32.:56:34.

that. Judgment is way off course now. We are borrowing much more

:56:34.:56:38.

than they intended to, which is completely against everything he

:56:38.:56:41.

said only last summer. Paddy Ashdown, pick up on that. It is not

:56:41.:56:47.

true. We all know the euro crisis started much, much earlier. You

:56:47.:56:51.

asked what there was to be cheerful about. Thanks to Labour, we are now

:56:51.:56:57.

running a bigger debt as a percentage of GDP than the Italians.

:56:58.:57:01.

That's what the inheritance left behind. And we are paying interest

:57:01.:57:05.

rates lower than the Germans. Why? Because the country and the markets

:57:05.:57:08.

are convinced we are serious about cutting the deficit. Labour's

:57:08.:57:11.

answer to a crisis created by borrowing is to borrow even more.

:57:11.:57:18.

said that the Chancellor has had to borrow more than they thought he

:57:18.:57:24.

would But Labour's answer is to borrow even more. It is un sporable.

:57:24.:57:28.

If there is one thing the country should be grateful for is it

:57:28.:57:31.

doesn't have a Labour Government still in power which would be

:57:31.:57:41.
:57:41.:57:45.

damaging more -- borrowing more and damaging hospitals. ALL TALK AT

:57:45.:57:50.

ONCE Your party supported us until right up into the election. Unless

:57:50.:57:53.

you get growth you can't get the borrowing down. Did you welcome

:57:53.:57:57.

what was announced in terms of the infrastructure projects? Die, but

:57:57.:58:02.

with the proviso that many of these things were announced I think you

:58:02.:58:08.

will find by successive Governments. It takes a long time to get these

:58:08.:58:11.

going. I welcome them but the present Government will have to

:58:11.:58:15.

change the planning laws, or you won't see the new roads and the

:58:15.:58:18.

investment which is welcome. A word of caution. It is very frustrating

:58:18.:58:22.

but it takes a long time to see these things on the ground. We are

:58:22.:58:26.

changing the planning laws, but there was a huge package of

:58:26.:58:30.

infrastructure measures to bring forward spending, to help growth,

:58:30.:58:34.

on roads on railways, on school building with. All those things,

:58:34.:58:38.

which are good for construction, but also good for regions outside

:58:38.:58:41.

the South East. There was also a package of measures to help

:58:41.:58:45.

families through this era of rising prices from, for example freezing

:58:45.:58:50.

the council tax again, stopping the increase in fuel duty which he

:58:50.:58:54.

pence ild in year after year. And helping rate commuters, which is

:58:54.:58:59.

important here in London and the South East. There was good finger

:58:59.:59:08.

pointing there from Michael Fallon. ALL TALK AT ONCE Every Chancellor

:59:08.:59:13.

has to reach a judgment on fuel dutyy, on taxes and so on.

:59:13.:59:16.

Understandably George Osborne has said with the prices they are at

:59:16.:59:20.

the moment he wanted to do something there. You support it?

:59:20.:59:24.

course I support something that reduces the burden. If you look at

:59:24.:59:28.

the squeeze on tax credits, if you look at the squeeze on people's

:59:28.:59:30.

incomes I think most people watching this programme, most

:59:30.:59:33.

people reading the papers tomorrow morning, will find their incomes

:59:34.:59:37.

are going to continue to be squeezed with. Unemployment is

:59:37.:59:42.

likely to be up. Employment is likely to go down, according to the

:59:42.:59:45.

Office for Budget Responsibility. We are in for a grim time but it is

:59:45.:59:48.

exacerbated by the bad decisions taken by this Government at the

:59:48.:59:52.

start. Let me let the new Conservative

:59:52.:59:57.

speak. We supported their spending cuts but why don't they now support

:59:57.:00:03.

them? Here is the bottom line. support what I proposed. Hang on a

:00:03.:00:10.

second. For every �18 the coalition is cutting in public expenditure

:00:10.:00:14.

his plan is to cut �17. We understand the cuts that have to be

:00:14.:00:18.

made. Labour is in a position of self denial over their own Budget

:00:18.:00:23.

cutting. The differences that you parade are

:00:23.:00:29.

exaggerated. That there isn't a huge difference in policy. Oh, Jon,

:00:29.:00:33.

come on. If we risk by 0.5 a percentage point the interest rates

:00:33.:00:38.

we are now enjoying having to pay back the debt they left behind,

:00:38.:00:45.

kite cost you �5 billion, not the schools, hospitals and pensions but

:00:45.:00:55.
:00:55.:01:01.

Here's another big difference. They would increase the VAT, I'm not

:01:01.:01:06.

sure Alistair supports that. Let's ask him. There's lots of people,

:01:06.:01:11.

not just within the Labour Party, saying we need to boost demand,

:01:11.:01:14.

demand is suppressed at the moment. Everyone agrees that the deficit

:01:14.:01:19.

has to be brought down. I made that clear prior to the last election,

:01:19.:01:23.

I've never changed my view on that, but we've got to do it in a way

:01:23.:01:29.

that actually works. All I would say is George Osborne has had to

:01:29.:01:35.

sit down conceding that he's borrowing �150 billion more than

:01:35.:01:41.

what he said. You'd borrow even more. I have to call stumps. This

:01:41.:01:47.

argument will continue. Back to the studio. A couple of headlines as we

:01:47.:01:52.

go through this detailed paperwork. The UK Office for Budget

:01:52.:01:56.

Responsibility has raised its estimate of public sector job

:01:56.:02:03.

losses from 400,000 to 710,000. That's not far off a 100% increase

:02:03.:02:09.

in its estimate. That's a lot. And also UK net debt, this is what we

:02:09.:02:19.
:02:19.:02:20.

used to call the national debt, by 2015/16 will now be �1.47 billion -

:02:20.:02:30.
:02:30.:02:36.

sorry � 1 47 billion. Call it �1.5 trillion. That will be our national

:02:36.:02:41.

debt and that's 11 billion more, 8% more than the Chancellor forecast

:02:41.:02:47.

only back in March. That's a lot of debt. And a lot of an increase. Now,

:02:47.:02:51.

one of the Chancellor's key measures, of course, was that he

:02:51.:02:57.

would stay on course for deficit reduction. He wants to show the

:02:57.:03:02.

suspensionial money markets he's still sticking to plan A. But

:03:02.:03:08.

although borrowing continues to fall it is at a much slower rate

:03:08.:03:13.

and we're racking up debt. What does the City think of that. Back

:03:13.:03:17.

to Maryam. A bit of a muted response from the

:03:17.:03:21.

City. Largely to do with the fact that a lot of the measures were

:03:21.:03:28.

announced over the last few days. Let's look at the markets. That is

:03:28.:03:37.

what the FTSE has been doing. A little sell-off ones people started

:03:37.:03:43.

digesting the figures. Earlier today we saw a drop in guilts. A

:03:43.:03:46.

sign that the markets were convinced by the Chancellor's

:03:46.:03:52.

arguments. But now they have risen back up more to do with the high

:03:52.:03:59.

yields on Italian bonds. Let's bring in Louise Cooper from BCG

:03:59.:04:03.

partners. Are you happy with what the Chancellor had to say today?

:04:03.:04:09.

was always quite restricted on what he could announce today because

:04:09.:04:14.

he's in coalition with the liberal democrats, so politically he's

:04:14.:04:19.

constrained and financialcally he's constrained and we knew the figures

:04:19.:04:24.

would be downgrated and that means the situation is far worse. A lot

:04:24.:04:30.

of it was preannounced. There was a few extra bells and whistles in the

:04:30.:04:34.

statement but really it's not a huge surprise and you can see that

:04:34.:04:38.

by the financial reaction. And Jane, the important things you wanted to

:04:38.:04:43.

see was the Chancellor sticking to his austerity plans but coming up

:04:43.:04:48.

with fresh ideas for growth. Has he delivered? There were a few little

:04:48.:04:53.

bits and pieces with respect to consumption on the margin, but

:04:53.:04:57.

really this was about austerity as far as the City is concerned. And

:04:57.:05:01.

you can see that from the guilts market. But we need to put this in

:05:01.:05:05.

context and the context is out of the eurozone debt crisis and the

:05:05.:05:10.

Chancellor therefore needed to reassure the markets that he wasn't

:05:10.:05:18.

going to out step those austerity announcements he'd already

:05:18.:05:21.

announced and from the point of view of the international markets

:05:21.:05:25.

that really is the whole point. I suppose the muted reaction from

:05:25.:05:31.

the City has a lot to be said for it, but the City does realise that

:05:31.:05:36.

coming up in the coming weeks and months it is darkening prospects

:05:36.:05:39.

for both business and finance. And that is one thing they can take

:05:39.:05:46.

from today's statement. Thanks, we'll see how long it stays

:05:46.:05:56.

muted. You're watching the BBC's special coverage of George

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Osborne's Autumn Statement This is what he had to say. He forecast

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growth of 0.9%. The Government expects to borrow �11 billion more

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over the next five years, taking total borrowing to not much shy of

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�1.5 trillion. Government debt as a percentage of

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our national wealth is reckoned to peak at 2014/156789

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Let's look at some of the costly bits of the statement to the

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Treasury. The duty fuel increase of 3p has been cancelled. That was due

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in January. There will be an additional �5 billion spending on

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infrastructure. That's searching down every sofa in Whitehall to see

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if there is any loose change. And tax relief for small start-up

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firms. The state pension age is going to

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go to 67, as it always was, now earlier, 2026. The public sector,

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which over a certain level of income is now enduring a pay freeze.

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When that's over, well, they can look forward to no more than 1%

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rise after the freeze is over. And there have been elements of the

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working tax credit has also been frozen. That's only part of what is

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in the Budget. I call it a Budget because, in a sense, it is pretty

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much a Budget. We've been joined by Danny Alexander, the Chief

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Secretary to the Treasury. Welcome. This forecast for growth of 0.7%

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next year, which is pretty much close to zero, does that include

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taking into account all the measures the Chancellor has

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announced today? Well, the observia forecast takes into account

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measures that relate to further spending cuts at the end of the

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period. What they're not able to take into account is the impact on

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growth of many of the supply reforms we're pushing through.

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That's something that economic forecasting can't reach. But it

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certainly takes into account the spending decisions that we've made

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and the impact. And you're right to say, of course, that is a much

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lower figure than was forecast previously. It reflects, as the OBR

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themselves say, the much tougher conditions faced in this country

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and in the eurozone but is in line very much with growth forecasts for

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France, Yemeni, Italy, the eurozone and other countries around the

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world. But even after all this search for measures to boost growth,

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which be -- we began to hear after your party conference, after all

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these funds have been reallocated and all the assurance that this was

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a Government that believed in growth and getting the economy

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going, but taking all that into accounts the growth is a net effect

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of 0.7%. Many of the measures announced today, the credit easing,

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the investment in infrastructure and the youth jobs scheme, all

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these things, the effect will be felt not just next year but in

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future years as well. The effect of additional infrastructure spending

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will support the economy for a very long time to come. But you must be

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disappointed that that is all they're producing, surely? You were

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meant to deliver a Budget for growth and all we get is 0.7%, and

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if we're lucky, a big if, 2% next year. You'll find a welcome for the

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investment in infrastructure and the finance packages and many other

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things there that will support growth, particularly in the medium-

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term. One of the things the OBR has done today, as well as telling us

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about the problems in the eurozone and the high commodity price,

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they've said that the economy as a whole is smaller and that's why

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these sorts of supply side reforms are important to lift the economy

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potential over the long-term. understand that, but whatever way

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you cut it and even after all that has been announced today, the blunt

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truth is that we are staring austerity in the face for the

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foreseeable future? It is definitely true that we are facing

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much slower growth. We're facing very tough conditions and we've

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made very clear today, by setting out our spending plans for the two

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years of the next Parliament, that, if you like, the pattern of

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spending reductions and fiscal consolidation we've seen in this

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Parliament will roll on for two years in order to mike sure we meet

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our objectives. It's austerity. Particularly if you're in the

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public sector. It's austerity? is further spending constraint. We

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haven't set out what mix of policies we'll use in 2050/16/17.

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But it is right to say this country will be facing further fiscal

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consolidation and austerity for two further years in order to make sure

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we deal with the enormous financial problems we face as a country. But

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it is important to say this is delivering real benefits to Britain

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in terms of the low interest rates and we're avoiding many of the

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problems people see on the television screens every single day

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from Italy and Spain and many of our other competitors. But when the

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Chancellor, your boss, told us last year, "Britain's economic row

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coverry is on track" that wasn't true? Was it? Well, one of the

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reasons, Andrew, why we set up in the first place the independent

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Office for Budget Responsibility was precisely because - hold on,

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let me answer the question, because we wanted those forecasts to be in

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independent hands rather than the hands of ministers. So you have the

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OBR's forecast of last June....He Said this in the Autumn Statement

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last year, just a year ago,, "Britain's economic recovery is now

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on track." And I simply ask you, that wasn't true, was it? There are

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big factors going on in the economy that are affecting our ability to

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grow. High commodity prices, oil prices have increased by 40% over

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the last year, that slows growth. Like wise the problems in the

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eurozone, in our major competitors, that is having both an effect on

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our growth potential but as the on yar say in their report, the

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eurozone countries still need to sort out those problems otherwise

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we won't get the growth this country needs. The on yar gives you

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a smoke screen. It's not a smoke screen because we have independent

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figures for the first time. I'm not saying the Chancellor lied last

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autumn I'm just saying he turned out, whether it was the on yar or

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Uncle Tom Cobbley. What I'm saying now is, is it true? What true?

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the British economy is on track? have a plan to make our economy

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stronger. This Autumn Statement was about two things, about protecting

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our country from the huge risks that have grown substantially from

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the other economies and making our economy stronger. We have the on

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yar's best efforts to work out growth forecast for the coming

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years and I accept those forecasts and they are much less, you're

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right to say than they forecast previously. But is the British

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economy on track for recovery now? The British economy is on track to

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deal with our deficit and grow in the future. So what we have is a

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forecast, which is very difficult this year, it's very difficult next

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year and growth picks up in the following year, so yes, we're on

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track to pick up in the following years. You've announced a lot on

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spending and shovel-ready jobs, and roads here and rail here, and all

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the rest of it, are we all Dickensians now? I would not accuse

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you of that now. I would say what we recognise as a Government, both

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liberal democrats and Conservatives is one of the things that has eld

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us back in recent years is the quality of our infrastructure. We

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are 28th in the world. That is simply not good enough for a

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country like the yubgdz. That's why investment in road and rails is the

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sort of thing we need to be doing in this country. It's perfectly

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clear that you've brought into the argument a bit more job ceection

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and infrastructure is valuable at stage. How confident are you?

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confident that the OBR forecast is the best estimate we have for what

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is happening to the economy next year. I can't sit here telling you

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we will definitely a void the eurozone circumstances, because

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there is so much uncertainty in the economy. But the OBR's forecast is

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the best estimate we have. And what I am certain of is the measures the

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Government has taken in terms of investing and getting the new-build

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housing sector going will help build the economy in the year to

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come. Nick. Lots of people will be worried about tax credits. Have you

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made an estimate of what it will cost in those circumstances?

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give a big inflation-linked increase to people out of work, but

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those people in work but struggling, you freeze their benefits? So we

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are spending overall, this coming year, �8.3 billion on the uprating

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of benefits this year. That is more than forecast when we originally

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made those decisions. We've focused on protecting the poorest people in

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the country, those on out of work benefits and children through the

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child tax credit. People on working tax credit will principally benefit

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from this. This is an e-mail from a viewer Patricia says, "Why should

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people out of work be given a 5.2% pay rise? My husband works full

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time and he hasn't had a penny pay rise in four years." What do you

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say to her? I'd say benefits have always been uprated by inflation.

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That, almost every single year falls behind earnings, which is the

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other measure we could have used. We want to make sure that the

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lowest incomes, people who have lost their jobs and working hard to

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get back into work are protected through this. But if you were...but

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if you don't work you get 5%. people on the tax credit by and

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large will be recipients of other credits, 80% will be receiving

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child credits and housing benefits which are upgraded in the normal

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way. This seems to me to be the best way to control costs whilst

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having a group, yes, it's tough. I recognise it's a tough decision,

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but through other things we're doing we're also helping those

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people too. Can I ask about the fiscal rules and the importance of

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sticking to them. We've heard the Chancellor talking about touting

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the flexibility of the rules, but it is crucial for the markets to be

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seen to be meeting the rules. And the second rule is that debt has to

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fall as a share of GDP and the new forecasts show that happening, but

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it is minuscule it goes to 7.7% of GDP. The Chancellor himself said

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the forecasts will be worse if there is a recession in the

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eurozone. Many people think there is already a recession in the

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eurozone and he's behind the times. In six months's time, when he has

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to stand up with the Budget are you going to announce tough spending

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cuts? We do attach very great importance to sticking to the

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fiscal rules we've set out last you're quite right to say the debt

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target is to have debt falling by the year '50/16. What we've

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announced today is tougher spending in the year '50/16 and '16/17 to

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make sure we get it under control. The goal for debt is a path, as you

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say, rather than a level. We need to get debt coming down. We have to

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leave it there. We'll let you get back to preparing

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these contingency plans for the eurozone meltdown. Thank you.

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has the Chancellor's statement gone down with business people,

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particularly in Merseyside? That's where we are. Our reporter, Judith

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Moritz is at the Cammell Laird shipyard. Yes, I am. I have the

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protective glasses on because we're inside the apprentices' school here.

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Some are doing a bit of pipe welding. 85 apprentices on site and

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many more start. It is a successful story when it comes to-out

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employment here, the kind the Chancellor would hold up. But how

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did the announcements go down with business people from this region

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and beyond. Natalie Hayward from a tea bar in Liverpool. And Max

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Steinberg. Natalie, we'll talk to you first of all. You own a pretty

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small business in Liverpool. Did the Chancellor say what you wanted

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to hear? I think there were a few positive things. We have to see

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whether businesses will have to jump through hoops to get credits

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that he's announced. Relaxing regulations in employment law and

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health and safety is obviously very good for an employer. And capping

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fuel prices ultimately benefits us all. So that was quite welcome as

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well. What about the extension on the business rates will that affect

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you personally? No, one of the things he does need to do is make

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that applicable to all businesses because I don't benefit from that

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at all in any way. I know it's obviously good for small businesses

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but it needs to be applied across the board in my opinion. Liverpool

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wants to attract investment to this area did you hear what you wanted

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to? You talk about small businesses, like Natalie's do you think the

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Chancellor said the right things? There were a lot of good things in

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the Budget, it turned out, in my view to be a mini Budget. In terms

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of small businesses, I think small businesses are still struggling to

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borrow money. And the talk is fine. What I need to see it is working on

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the ground. That small businesses can go to banks and barrow. It's

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the small and medium-sized enterprises that are going to

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provide the jobs in the future. I was delighted to hear about the

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infrastructure investment. That's good for Liverpool and the north-

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west. It fits into our plans to create an intrapresentairial

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atmosphere in Liverpool. We'll be celebrate ing winning the

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enterprise prizes next year. But the economy is still extremely

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parlous and I think will we will be going through difficult times in

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the next few years. I think perhaps a year has gone by and we've missed

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an opportunity. We need to invest in this economy. The Government can

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help with that. Some of the money will be released now and some in a

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few years' time. I hope to build on what has been announced today and

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if we can create a better infrastructure in this country,

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it's good for UK plc. Steve, you run a road haulage

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company so presumably for you the fact that the 3p fuel duty has been

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dropped must be welcome? It's welcomed but I still don't think

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it's enough to stimulate the economy. If you look abroad, some

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fuel prices are still 20p to 50p cheaper than in the UK.

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We still need cuts on fuel. Thank you very much. To sum up. People

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here saying they heard some of what they wanted to, but not everything,

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but that's the thing, you can't please everybody all of the time.

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Well' be back here later in the programme to speak to more business

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people and see if they heard what they wanted to from the Autumn

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Statement. That's the view in Merseyside. Let's go back to the

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view in Westminster from Jon Sopel who is still outside Parliament.

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Thank you very much. I'm joined by the shadow chief secretary to the

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Treasury. The Government set the stage pretty much for what was

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coming. Was there anything that surprised you? I have to say, I was

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really surprised by the borrowing figures. To have to borrow an extra

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�158 billion to what was previously planned that's bad news and a sign

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of economic failure. Because the reason they're borrowing so much

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more is because unemployment is higher than expected and growth

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continues to flat line and inflation is higher as well. And we

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warned the Government 18 months ago if you cut too far and too fast you

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risk choking off the economic recovery and that's exactly what

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we're seeing because if you have more people out of work you are

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paying more in Belfast and more businesses failing. So you you're

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saying that the Government are now borrowing too much? Yes, you have

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to reduce the deficit but in a balanced way. But if they hadn't

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cut the borrowing would have been even higher? But if you have more

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people back at work you'll have more paying taxes. Yes, tax

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increases and spending cuts but but have to have jobs, because unless

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you have people in work paying taxes you're not going to reduce

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the deficit. And that's what we're seeing now, the cost of economic

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failure is more people out of work, but also higher Government

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borrowing and we've seen both of those today. But the world has

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changed in the past 18 months. There was not a euro crisis of the

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proportions we're seeing today? that's true but we also said don't

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rip out the foundations of the house. Because when a hurricane is

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brewing you're not in a position to with stand a storm and that's what

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we're seeing now because our economic recovery was choked off

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before the euro crisis. But also, unless you've got the jobs and the

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growth plan, then when a crisis does come along you're blown out of

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the water and that's what we're seeing now with the increases in

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borrowing, coupled with the increases in unemployment. It feels

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like a hurricane here just as you started talking about it. I'll talk

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about the sunshine next! Government's argument was that the

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reason it is having to do so much now is that you didn't repair the

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roof when the sun was shining, that there were all those years of

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plenty and Labour carried on spending like crazy. Up until 2008

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the Government and the liberal democrats were backing the

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Government's spending plans. It was Labour's choice in 2007 to increase

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our borrowing to avoid the home repossessions we saw in the early

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'90s. Yes, of course, now we need to start reducing that deficit but

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what the Government are finding is if you cut too far and too fast you

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choke off the economic recovery and as a result you can't bring down

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borrowing because you're paying more out on higher unemployment and

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less coming in in taxes because more businesses are failing.

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There were some announcements on investment in infrastructure, what

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did you think of that? There are a number of things today that are the

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right thing to do, but if you ask are they making any difference the

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OBR is the arbiter of that and the OBR have assessed the Government's

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plans and revised down their forecasts for this year, next year

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and the year after and revised upwards the unemployment. So I

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don't think they're doing enough to get the economy back on track to

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create the jobs we need. If they did have a comprehensive plan I

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believe we would get the economy moving again and the deficit down.

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But isn't that what they've done today? No, because you've just

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moved money to pay others. Rob be Peter to pay Paul.

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There's no new money for any of these initiatives. They're moving

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from one pot to another and as a result the OBR say that it's not

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We have seen the eurozone crisis develop.

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What you see in the forecast is they revised up their forecast for

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growth in the eurozone this year. That tells us a lot about what the

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Chancellor is doing here. So too are the Chancellor's

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decisions to cut so far and deep, which has choked off the economic

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recovery. If you had been in the recovery and you had been writing

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this Autumn Statement it would have been higher? We called for a cut in

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VAT and a tax on bankers' bonuses to fund 100,000 jobs. We have been

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clear we would want to reTuesday the deficit. Halving the deficit --

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reducing the deficit. Halving the deficit. That approach will ensure

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we have the growth in the jobs we need, while taking tough decisions

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to reduce the deficit. This Government tried to go further and

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faster and they have not succeeded. Though you have complained about

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the borrowing levels, if you had been writing this Autumn Statement

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borrowing would have been higher? That is a yes or a no? We would

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have reduced the deficit at a slower pace. We know you need

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growth and jobs if we reduce the deficit in a sustainable way. What

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we are finding is the Government are not able to reduce the deficit

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because they don't have a plan for growths and jobs. That is why it is

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coming in higher. Instead of paying for failure, paying out more in

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benefits, we would support businesses to get us through the

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economic turmoil, put us in a stronger position for jobs, growth

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and deficit reduction as well. Andrew, back to you in the studio.

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Thank you. It is 2.30pm, just gone. You are watching the special

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coverage of the Chancellor's Autumn Statement. Let's bring you up-to-

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Danny Alexander told this programme he could not rule out a recession

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Because of these dire economic forecasts, a lot of additional

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infrastructure spending, there will be �5 billion additional public

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spending on infrastructure. �5 billion, not a lot in a �1.5

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:32:37.:32:39.

As we have been told on this programme, these forecasts for

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growth, such as it is, already include this spending in the

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outcome. They won't make things any better.

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On pensions and benefits, the basic state pension will increase by

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:33:04.:33:15.

state pension will increase by D plenty of statements in this

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Budget. The banking levy will be increased

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:33:29.:33:32.

to maintain revenue at �2.5 billion. Almost �1 billion for this new

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Youth Contract, to tackle unemployment over the three years.

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Most involving work experience, not jobs.

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D Now, we are joined by the director of the Institute for

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Fiscal Studies, Paul Johnson. Welcome to our special programme.

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One of the things which has not yet been commented on is we've seen a

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line of public spending cuts between last year, through to 2015

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and the Chancellor said, there's more coming in 2016 and '17. That

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is right. The consequence of the terrible growth numbers is that in

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order to meet his fiscal rules, he's going to have to do two more

:34:20.:34:24.

years of cuts, at essentially the same kind of level he is cutting

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over this Parliament. We said before five years of cuts of this

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scale are unprecedented. We will now get seven years of cuts in this

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scale. Two years of substantial public spending cuts. And one of

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the Chancellor's aims, that he made much of, was that he would get rid

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of the structural deficit, that bit of borrowing that doesn't go away

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even when the economy is growing. He had a target for it. We are

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going to borrow more than he originally thought. Is it clear now

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if and when the structural deaf silt does go away? Well, he's --

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structural deficit does go away? Well, he's only on target to reach

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it because he's had to do two years of extra cuts. Had he stuck to his

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previous spending plans he would have missed his target. So, he's

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had to cut more to meet that target? He's had to take another

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�15 billion away from public spending in the years after the

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next election. He has not told us how. He said in his forecast he is

:35:32.:35:38.

taking an extra �15 billion away. That is enough to say he will meet

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his targets. If he had not penciled that in the OBR would have said you

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will miss your targets. On the issue of debt, often mixed up with

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deficit, but it's the I kum lated deficit, the -- the accumulated

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deficit, the other target was there would be a date, he would add and

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add and add to debt, then it would become a smaller percentage of our

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overall national wealth. That was his other goal. What has happened

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there? Well, he has said he's going to meet that. Obviously the total

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level is going to reach a higher amount. This was always supposed to

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be a kind of... Always an odd target, to specify one year in

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which you are moving to a slightly smaller number. You can muck around

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with numbers to make that work. He said that will just about happen.

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That is a less important target than the one we were just

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describing. On the structural deficit? It means, as you said,

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there are �100 million or more of extra borrowing. On your analysis

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and looking at these figures, how do you think this slump compares

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with previous periods of economic difficulties in terms of people's

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living standards? It is extraordinary. Compared with what

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the Budget three or four years ago was expecting t economy will be 13%

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smaller in 2016. More than 3% smaller than we were thinking six

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months ago. It is a bit smaller than before the crash? It is still

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smaller. This is an extraordinary change. One of the consequences of

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this, this is in the Office for Budget Responsibility figures, is

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really big real earnings cuts wefplt knew there would be 1% -- we

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knew there would be 1%. They think 3% this year. And continued falls

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next year and the year after. People are poorer. A squeeze on

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living standards. People will be no better off in 2015 than they were

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in 2001. That is unprecedented. Before the

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eurozone started to cause problems, one of the reasons the economy did

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not grow as it was meant to was this squeeze on living standards,

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that people were not spending as much and tightening their belts.

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That continues. It is cause and effect, isn't it? If the economy is

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doing badly then earnings go up less. It means people have less to

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spend. We are stuck in that uncomfortable position, where we're

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not going to get a lot driven by growing consumption in the short

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run. People are still paying down accumulated debt. Not just the

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Government which has a lot of debt. It is the private sector as well.

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The thing that strikes me is the politics of this, because I would

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suggest, Nick, that what it means is whereas this coalition started

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life in 2010, thinking we'll do all the tough stuff first and the

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economic cycle will be in kilter, we will hit 2015 with the job done,

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we are off to the races. They are now totally out of kilter? That is

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right. It has huge implications. The Chancellor was counting on,

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just before the next election, saying job done, now we can give

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you some goodys to reward you in the form of tax cuts. The Liberal

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Democrats were counting on saying, job done, we no longer have to

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stick with this coalition, we can present ourselves to the electorate

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and give them a choice. There is an implication for the Labour Party as

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well. I suspect, in fact I predict that day after day you will now

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have George Osborne saying to Ed Balls, these figures, from the

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Office for Budget Responsibility say you have cuts when you come to

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power. What l you reverse these cuts and make borrowing worse? The

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pressure is on. The rules, in other words of the game, have

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dramatically changed. Even if the economy does not get much worse. If

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it did, it would change more. That really affects the dynamics of

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politics and what they say of each other and how they discuss what

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their plans are for the next election. Robert, when the official

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fosh cast is 0.7% -- forecast is 0.7%, we know it could be minus

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0.7% in reality or more - don't you get the feeling that we are on a

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knife-edge, and that if the wind blows strong from the eurozone, we

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are over that edge? There's a lot that could go wrong with even this

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pessimistic forecast. For example, next year the OBR expects a big

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rise in business investment. Business confidence is shot to

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pieces at the moment. There is a huge storm blowing in the eurozone.

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If it goes as badly wrong in the eurozone as many fear it will do,

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then frankly everything today will feel irrelevant. The size of the

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economic shot will knock these forecasts for six. The Office for

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Budget Responsibility does make it absolutely clear that, you know,

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there are huge risks. What would happen in Europe and the

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damage which could be done to the banking system. A final thought

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from you on this? Anything to cheer us up? Not a lot. It is worse than

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we expected. It is another two years of austerity. As Robert just

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said, the risks are mostly on the downside.

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In a way, what you are saying is this is as good as it gets, it

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could be worse? That is what the OBR are saying. That is what will

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happen if the eurozone does go up. You are tapping away there. She is

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sending her report to the IMF! To you have a final thought for us?

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will tear off because I want to hear what the Office for Budget

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Responsibility says about this structural change. I think, are you

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surprised Paul, just to see an independent body, that it has to be

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said, no-one elected, has had a fundamental impact on this report,

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it is one that George Osborne intended and many would say is a

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good thing. They are just as likely to be wrong as the Treasury. The

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fact they are not politicians, they can still be wrong. It allows

:42:01.:42:06.

politicians to hide behind it. goes both ways. They can blame the

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bad news on the OBR. They are also stuck with what the OBR has decided.

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It has decided to be pretty gloomy about what has happened to the

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economy. This feels like a good thing, actually for the way we run

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the British economy. These are credible numbers. They may be wrong,

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they probably will be wrong. Forecasters get it wrong. These are

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credible. Had we had the Chancellor saying my forecasts are more

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optimistic than this, then they would not have had that credibility.

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There's a nasty outcome, but it a east a good thing that the

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Chancellor is being held to -- it's a good thing that the Chancellor is

:42:41.:42:46.

being held to account. It helps George Osborne to say, not my fault,

:42:46.:42:51.

I am being told to do this. He will use that against Ed Balls. He feels

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the OBR might be wrong, the Treasury is wrong, he has been

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proved right on a series of things F he were in the Treasury in a few

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years' time, he will have a big decision. Will he say, I don't want

:43:03.:43:08.

this independent advise, because it is bad and misleading? Here's a

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word, he'll keep them. Let's go back to Merseyside to join Judith

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for more business reaction. Welcome back to the apprentices

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school here at Cammell Laird. This is a hive of activity. They are

:43:23.:43:31.

doing a bit of pipe welding today. 85 apprentices on site here. I have

:43:31.:43:37.

protective googles on. -- goggles on. We will find out what real

:43:37.:43:41.

employers have to say about the Autumn Statement. I have three

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joining me. Steve Potter, you are here with business interests which

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are many and varied. You are here as a solicitor. You advice on small

:43:51.:43:57.

and medium companies and also Nick Hugh, you run a car leasing company.

:43:57.:44:05.

If I can talk to you first. Your business interest ps vary from ship

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building to funeral burials. A lot of aspects to your business. Did

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you hear what you wanted to from George Osborne?

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I am sorry about that, we have lost the line to Merseyside there. When

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we get it back, we will go straight back up to get more business

:44:29.:44:39.
:44:39.:44:39.

reaction. We have, in one of our of the CBI, John Cridland and also

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the General Secretary of the TUC, Brendan Barber. Welcome to both of

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you. Mr Cridland, let me come to you first. You have a lot of what

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business wanted - more infrastructure spending and the

:44:49.:44:53.

rest of it. Are your members going to start investing at last? Yes, I

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think they will. It was grim economic news. If it is grim

:44:57.:45:01.

economic news we have get on with getting the country moving and

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getting the country working. There is a plan A plus here. The measures

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on roads, on digital, on energy, on unemployment. On helping with

:45:12.:45:14.

energy-intensive industries, helping mid-size businesses grow. I

:45:14.:45:17.

think they add up to a confidence- building package for the business

:45:17.:45:20.

community. So if businesses do invest and

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we'll have to wait and see, you are sitting on cash reserves of �900

:45:25.:45:29.

billion at the moment. If you start to put that into the economy, would

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we do better than the 0.7% growth which the OBR says is all we are in

:45:35.:45:45.
:45:45.:45:49.

I think it explains why the OBR were more optimistic about growth

:45:49.:45:54.

in 2013 it than they were. We have made a start today. I think it is

:45:54.:45:58.

the private sector that has the money to put to the public sector

:45:58.:46:01.

balance sheet to get things moving when the public sector can't and

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shouldn't be spending money but it does not have. Brendan Barber, it

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seems like a pretty grim time if you have a job in the public sector.

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You are going to lose more jobs, according to the OBR, from 400,000

:46:18.:46:23.

losses to 700,000. You have a pay freeze as well and after all of

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that you will be lucky to get a 1% rise, which is less than inflation.

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It is hard pounding. It certainly is. As to say, the prospects are

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looking particularly grim for their public sector. -- as you save. We

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were told this pain would be compensated for by private growth,

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but the forecast has turned to ashes. More heart pounding, as you

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say, and a massive squeeze on the living standards of the 6 million

:46:59.:47:02.

people working in the public services in particular. It is hard

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to see what you can do with the public sector. Of course, you can

:47:07.:47:10.

always make changes at the edges, but the fact is that there is a

:47:10.:47:14.

hard pounding for the public sector, even though the Government is about

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to borrow �111 billion more than it intended and more than Labour has

:47:18.:47:27.

been calling on them to do, and at the end of it all we will be

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indebted to the tune of 1.5 trillion pounds. These cuts that we

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were seeing, we were told it would lead to private sector growth which

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has simply not happened. We have been getting all the pain, with the

:47:49.:47:55.

jobs going, the pay freeze in the public sector, all the pain has

:47:55.:48:01.

been coming but the game has not. Surprise surprise. This is what

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happened in the 1930s. The lessons of history are clear. Austerity

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begets more austerity, not growth. In the 1930s we did not have a

:48:11.:48:18.

deficit of 10% of GDP. We already have an enormous Keynesian policy

:48:18.:48:23.

in place and it is not producing growth. But we haven't, have we? We

:48:23.:48:33.
:48:33.:48:34.

have had a policy of major cards. - - cuts and tax increases. What that

:48:34.:48:39.

has led to is an economy that is virtually flat lining. Unemployment

:48:39.:48:46.

is rising, set to rise even further, up with an even bigger squeeze on

:48:46.:48:50.

living standards stretching into the distance. This is not all the

:48:50.:48:54.

fault of the eurozone. Those problems do not help the situation

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and they add to the risk going forward but they are not the cause

:48:58.:49:03.

of the problems that we are enduring. One final thing. What did

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the Chancellor not to today that you would have liked to see? He was

:49:07.:49:12.

not able to wave a magic wand to solve the eurozone crisis. He did

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not expect that, did you? It is the main reason why growth has been

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disappointed and if we can get that storm cloud removed, we can get

:49:20.:49:25.

back on the trajectory to growth and jobs. On the shock news that

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the Chancellor did not have a magic wand, we leave it there. Back to

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Jon Sopel. Let's get some nationalist reaction

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from what we have heard today. I am joined by Jonathan Edwards and a

:49:43.:49:48.

spokesperson for the SNP. Were you happy with what we heard? It was a

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panic statement, a series of interventionist measures. They are

:49:56.:50:01.

recognising that the economy is the key problem. There was a capital

:50:01.:50:05.

reinvestment programme made up of 25 billion from pension funds and

:50:05.:50:11.

also public money. There was Government alone is losing out by

:50:11.:50:21.
:50:21.:50:23.

1.5 billion. What did you think of it? I agree with him. The growth

:50:23.:50:30.

forecast has dropped from 2.5% in 2012 to 0.7%. Much as the

:50:30.:50:34.

infrastructure investment is welcome, it will not come on stream

:50:34.:50:39.

until after 2012. It will not deal with the immediate problem. As far

:50:39.:50:49.
:50:49.:50:51.

as the Scottish Government is concerned, we do not know what the

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Revenue developments will be with the departmental budgets when they

:50:54.:51:00.

are announced. What about the impact of the public sector pay

:51:00.:51:05.

announcements? Pay is raising its ugly head again. Labour tried to

:51:05.:51:10.

introduce this when they were in power and it will have a massive

:51:10.:51:15.

impact on economies like Wales and Scotland. What do you think?

:51:15.:51:22.

Another two years of pay restraint after the current year. Plus the

:51:22.:51:26.

issues of regional pay, which could exacerbate the differences between

:51:26.:51:29.

the South East and other areas of the country, including Scotland,

:51:29.:51:34.

Wales and the North West of England. This is one of the BAFTAs ideas

:51:34.:51:43.

about the Chancellor has come out with so far. -- the most stupid

:51:43.:51:47.

ideas. The policy of the Scottish Government is to look at the euro

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when the time is right and by referendum of the people. In the

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Caribbean since we would stick to the pound sterling. If -- in the

:52:00.:52:05.

current instance. If Scotland was independent, we could make

:52:05.:52:10.

decisions that are important to the Scottish economy, rather than

:52:11.:52:15.

waiting for the Chancellor to make decisions. Thank you.

:52:15.:52:19.

How has George Osborne's statement gone down across the United

:52:19.:52:23.

Kingdom? Let's hear from the Northern Irish Economics Editor Jim

:52:23.:52:28.

Fitzpatrick. Anything in this for Northern Ireland? The bombshell is

:52:28.:52:32.

an announcement of a review into the possibility of regional public

:52:32.:52:37.

sector pay. There are 230,000 public sector workers in Northern

:52:37.:52:41.

Ireland and their average pay is currently about 40% more than the

:52:41.:52:45.

average pay in the private sector. You can imagine the starting point

:52:45.:52:48.

for negotiations if there is going to be a regional pay rates set in

:52:48.:52:53.

the public sector and the kind of cuts in pay that people could see.

:52:53.:52:57.

That is a huge issue for Northern Ireland and its economy. Elsewhere

:52:57.:53:00.

there were fears, because of the way the infrastructure projects

:53:00.:53:04.

were being primed with savings from other departments, that that might

:53:04.:53:12.

mean cuts at Stormont. In fact, they will receive �130 million

:53:12.:53:15.

extra from infrastructure spending and they will be up on departmental

:53:15.:53:19.

spending as well. Overall it is good for Northern Ireland. On

:53:19.:53:22.

credit easing for the banks, the situation here is complicated

:53:22.:53:26.

because the Irish Banks are a big factor in Northern Ireland as well.

:53:26.:53:30.

I understand from industry sources, but the detail has not been seen

:53:30.:53:33.

yet, that the major banks in Northern Ireland, UK and Irish

:53:33.:53:37.

banks, will be able to take part in that, which would also be good if

:53:37.:53:41.

they can continue to lend more to businesses. That's the view from

:53:41.:53:45.

Belfast. Let's get more reaction from people involved in business.

:53:45.:53:51.

We are back in Merseyside and we have got rid of the gremlins.

:53:51.:53:57.

Gremlins? I promise you that this was a real-life shipyard. It was a

:53:57.:54:05.

crane at a -- that took us off the air. It sailed in front of our

:54:05.:54:10.

satellite truck. I promised it was a working environment. We have some

:54:10.:54:14.

genuine working people here, taking time out of their businesses to

:54:14.:54:21.

talk about their response to the Autumn Statement. You represent an

:54:21.:54:26.

enormous company with lots of different interests. From retail,

:54:26.:54:31.

to burials, to shipping, what did you make of the state and today?

:54:31.:54:35.

There were lots of large numbers and large programmes announced.

:54:35.:54:38.

They are great initiative, supporting infrastructure and small

:54:38.:54:42.

businesses, with tax relief and things like that, supporting young

:54:42.:54:46.

people back into work. They are all good and what we are waiting for

:54:46.:54:52.

his more detail for those programmes to see how they will

:54:52.:54:56.

play out. We hope that will happen sooner rather than later. Growth

:54:56.:55:02.

will be more or less flat through next year, until 2013. We are

:55:02.:55:08.

seeing it good initiatives but we won some concrete plans. Because

:55:08.:55:18.
:55:18.:55:21.

your concrete is so diverse... -- Apologies for that. We have lost

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you again! It is really dangerous in that factory. I hope the crane

:55:25.:55:30.

has not fallen down. One thing that struck me, and I did not get a

:55:30.:55:37.

chance to ask Brendan Barder this and I wish I had, the day before

:55:37.:55:45.

the big strike, the Chancellor it - - has said there will only be a 1%

:55:45.:55:50.

pay rise after the pay freeze. I think the Government thinks it can

:55:50.:55:56.

fight with the unions and win. There will also be a review of

:55:56.:56:00.

regional pay rates. I did not notice that. This was thought of in

:56:00.:56:03.

the 80s and the 90s and every Chancellor has ducked it because it

:56:03.:56:09.

is so controversial. Certain public sector workers do incredibly well

:56:09.:56:12.

compared with private sector workers because they live in an

:56:12.:56:17.

area where wages are lower. But you try changing that! You tell a

:56:17.:56:20.

police officer in Newcastle, a civil servant in Belfast, that we

:56:21.:56:24.

are going to cut your pay because it is not fair in relation to other

:56:24.:56:30.

people in your area. That is hugely provocative. It suggests that the

:56:30.:56:34.

day before the strike, they know they have got a fight. Robert, by

:56:34.:56:40.

the end of this week, we may not be talking about the Autumn Statement.

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You may be on our screens telling us about the unravelling eurozone.

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I could be doing that this morning. -- this evening. Italy have record

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borrowing rates, almost 8%. Several billions of three-year loans.

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Borrowing for three years is not supposed to be risky. With Italy

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borrowing at 8%, the markets already closed for the enormous

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eurozone economy that is so important. The noises out of

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Brussels is that their plan to launch a big bazooka to help this,

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a bail-out fund, looks more like an air pistol. The size of his bail-

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out fund is shrinking. All of this could be close to a relevant. It

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may all go badly wrong in the eurozone. If it does, frankly, we

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will be into emergency plans to rescue our banks and most of what

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we have heard will feel like an interesting but irrelevant story.

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The one thing we did not find out is what the contingency plans are.

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I don't think they will be telling you. That is why I did not bother

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to ask! We have been incredibly gloomy throughout the programme.

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The Chancellor will say that we are not there yet, and that is the

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advantage, he will argue, of his policies. Ed Balls will say it is

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worse that it needed to be, but he will accept we are not in a

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situation of the eurozone countries. In many ways we have better

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prospects than the rest of the eurozone and we should not forget

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that. It has been a pleasure to have you with us on this rocky road.

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There is plenty more on the BBC News Channel throughout the day,

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including coverage of the OBR press conference at 3 o'clock, coming up

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now. There will be more on the latest public sector strikes

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