Browse content similar to The Autumn Statement. Check below for episodes and series from the same categories and more!
Line | From | To | |
---|---|---|---|
The nation's eyes are on George Osborne today as the Chancellor | :00:11. | :00:21. | |
:00:21. | :00:42. | ||
unveiled his plans to get Britain's Good afternoon and welcome to this | :00:42. | :00:47. | |
BBC special on the Chancellor's Autumn Statement, broadcasting live | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
on BBC Two, the BBC News Channel and BBC Online. Forecasters tell us | :00:52. | :00:56. | |
the British economy is already back in recession. Unemployment is | :00:56. | :01:06. | |
rising, inflation high, living standards squeezed. Today a -- | :01:06. | :01:10. | |
tomorrow will be the one-day nationwide strike, perhaps the | :01:10. | :01:14. | |
first of many. The eurozone crisis moves from the periphery to the | :01:14. | :01:18. | |
very core, threatening to engulf the Continent and also Britain in a | :01:18. | :01:22. | |
long and deep recession. Some have even spoken of a lost decade. It | :01:22. | :01:28. | |
would be hard to imagine a grimmer backdrop for the Chancellor, as he | :01:28. | :01:30. | |
prepares an Autumn Statement designed to cushion the downturn | :01:30. | :01:34. | |
and knows the economy back to health. Earlier this year George | :01:34. | :01:40. | |
Osborne talked privately about doing away with the Autumn | :01:40. | :01:43. | |
Statement altogether. It is a measure of the gravity of the | :01:43. | :01:47. | |
situation that in just a few minutes he will stand up in the | :01:47. | :01:51. | |
Commons to unveil something close to a full-blown Budget, the second | :01:51. | :01:58. | |
of the year. We will bring it to you live and uninterrupted from | :01:58. | :02:03. | |
12:30pm, including expert analysis from Stephanie Flanders, Nick | :02:03. | :02:07. | |
Robinson and Robert Paxton. And we will have reaction from Westminster, | :02:07. | :02:12. | |
the City and across the country. am on College Green opposite | :02:12. | :02:16. | |
Westminster, where we will be talking to all MPs about what the | :02:16. | :02:20. | |
Chancellor could and should do. am on this busy trading floor in | :02:20. | :02:25. | |
Canary Wharf, gauging the mood among investors as they eagerly | :02:25. | :02:28. | |
await the Chancellor's Autumn Statement and what it means for | :02:28. | :02:34. | |
business, the market and growth. And I am at Cammell Laird shipyard | :02:34. | :02:38. | |
in Birkenhead, where I will be finding out what it means for | :02:38. | :02:48. | |
:02:48. | :02:49. | ||
business and industry on Merseyside The coalition has been in power for | :02:49. | :02:52. | |
only 18 months and already they are admitting that sorting out the | :02:52. | :02:57. | |
economy is proving much harder than they originally thought. Today will | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
be the Chancellor's latest response to its growing difficulties. In the | :03:02. | :03:04. | |
next few minutes we are expecting George Osborne to leave the | :03:04. | :03:09. | |
Treasury, make his way to the House of Commons. We are told he was | :03:09. | :03:12. | |
working on his speech late into the evening last night at Number 11, | :03:12. | :03:17. | |
Downing Street, as you would expect, and that it will last for about 45 | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
minutes. Much of what we are about to here has been judiciously | :03:23. | :03:27. | |
announced or already leaked. Rarely has a budget or Autumn Statement | :03:27. | :03:30. | |
been so prematurely and intentionally and bailed. I suspect | :03:31. | :03:35. | |
to create the impression that the Government is doing all that it can | :03:35. | :03:39. | |
to tackle the dark clouds. The darkest cloud is the threat to | :03:39. | :03:44. | |
economic growth, which could derail the deficit reduction strategy. | :03:44. | :03:47. | |
Since the last Autumn Statement of 2010, the economy has weakened, | :03:47. | :03:51. | |
which is why so much of what the Chancellor will say today will be | :03:51. | :03:55. | |
about reigniting growth. With a coalition determined to stick to | :03:55. | :03:59. | |
deficit targets and the eurozone threatening to scupper everybody's | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
growth plans, it is not clear how much of the difference Mr Osborne | :04:03. | :04:07. | |
can make. This morning the Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg and the | :04:07. | :04:12. | |
leader of the Labour Party, Ed Miliband, well, they were at | :04:12. | :04:16. | |
getting their messages across. This is what they had to say. We need to | :04:16. | :04:19. | |
do absolutely everything we can to promote growth and support | :04:19. | :04:23. | |
confidence in the economy at the time when self-evidently the | :04:23. | :04:28. | |
economic circumstances in which we live have deteriorated compared to | :04:28. | :04:32. | |
what we might have anticipated a year-and-a-half ago. And that is | :04:32. | :04:36. | |
what we are doing. All we will see today will be a Chancellor | :04:36. | :04:39. | |
announcing higher unemployment, lower growth and higher borrowing. | :04:39. | :04:43. | |
The plans are hurting but they are not working. That is why he has to | :04:43. | :04:47. | |
change course today, and accept that his plan has failed. And he | :04:47. | :04:53. | |
has got to take action to get the economy moving. This is the age of | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
the politics of debt and deficit. This is what dominates the economic | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
exchanges between Government and opposition. There was a time when | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
the coalition concentrated almost solely on his deficit reduction | :05:05. | :05:09. | |
strategy. As growth faltered and opposition criticism began to bite, | :05:09. | :05:15. | |
it has had to show that they are not just a one-trick pony. I | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
suspect that is one of the reasons why they have been leaking like a | :05:18. | :05:22. | |
sieve and we know so much already about what the Chancellor will say. | :05:22. | :05:26. | |
The reason we know so much is simple, and that is because there | :05:26. | :05:30. | |
will only be one headline tonight, which is the depth of a hole that | :05:30. | :05:34. | |
Britain is in economically, and the depth of the pain that is still to | :05:34. | :05:37. | |
be suffered by people, in addition to the spending cuts and tax rises | :05:37. | :05:42. | |
that have already been announced. If you like, the good news, the | :05:42. | :05:46. | |
measure designed to get growth going, has been dribbled out over | :05:46. | :05:49. | |
the past week because the Chancellor knows that he simply | :05:49. | :05:52. | |
cannot compete with the scale of, let's be honest, the awfulness of | :05:52. | :05:58. | |
the economic news that we are going to get. Growth down, borrowing up, | :05:58. | :06:00. | |
the size of the economic hole bigger, and therefore a series of | :06:00. | :06:05. | |
measures, not just today but over the next months and indeed years, | :06:05. | :06:11. | |
and crucially beyond the next election, needed to make people get | :06:11. | :06:15. | |
less from the state, pay more to make the books balance. And worst | :06:16. | :06:21. | |
of all politically for the Chancellor, having to meet the | :06:21. | :06:23. | |
Prime Minister's words. He said the books would be balanced in five | :06:24. | :06:29. | |
years and they will not be. A lot of what we are about to here will | :06:29. | :06:33. | |
only be confirmation of what we already know, that Mr Osborne would | :06:33. | :06:37. | |
not be Mr Osborne if he had not kept something juicy up his sleeve. | :06:37. | :06:40. | |
He has been something of an early Father Christmas for first-time | :06:40. | :06:46. | |
buyers, at rail travellers, construction workers ready for | :06:46. | :06:52. | |
shovel-ready jobs, working mothers needing nursery care, young people | :06:52. | :06:57. | |
needing a job. He has been trying to sweeten the bitter pill of the | :06:57. | :07:02. | |
Autumn Statement. The latest economic forecast on growth, debt, | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
and the deficit, from the Office for budget responsibility. I do not | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
think there is any good news in any of that. I don't think there will | :07:14. | :07:19. | |
be any good news. Cast your mind back to June, 2010. At the time, it | :07:19. | :07:23. | |
seemed quite gloomy. We thought the coalition was talking about needing | :07:23. | :07:28. | |
to come together, solving an emergency in public finances. That | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
looks like the sunny uplands compared to the forecast we are | :07:31. | :07:36. | |
looking at now. Going back then, the Independent Office for Budget | :07:36. | :07:42. | |
Responsibility was expecting a return to growth, investment, as | :07:42. | :07:47. | |
that the economy would be growing by 2.3% and next year by 2.8%. That | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
would not actually be very high for a normal recovery, but we are not | :07:51. | :07:55. | |
looking at a normal recovery and they had to reflect that in the | :07:55. | :08:01. | |
Budget in March. Both of those went down to 1.7% for growth this year, | :08:01. | :08:05. | |
and 2.5% for growth next year. But we know now that even those have | :08:05. | :08:09. | |
turned out to be very optimistic. We do not know what the new figures | :08:09. | :08:13. | |
will be but if you look at what the City is betting for growth, the | :08:13. | :08:18. | |
average forecast is for growth this year of just 1% and next year, also | :08:18. | :08:23. | |
just 1%. That many years into recovery. And then your forecasts | :08:23. | :08:30. | |
are even gloomier than that. newer forecasts. Where does that | :08:30. | :08:33. | |
leave a deficit reduction target? Well, not reducing it as fast as | :08:33. | :08:39. | |
they wanted to. If you go back to 2010, the OBR thought that public | :08:39. | :08:44. | |
sector net borrowing that you would peak at 155 billion. More than 10% | :08:44. | :08:51. | |
of GDP and much more than we borrowed in any peacetime period. | :08:51. | :08:56. | |
They said under George Osborne's plans that borrowing would fall to | :08:56. | :08:59. | |
37 billion by the last year of the Parliament. We know that is going | :08:59. | :09:03. | |
to go up because the growth forecasts have gone down. If you | :09:03. | :09:07. | |
look at the City forecast, at the average of the forecasters surveyed | :09:07. | :09:12. | |
by the Treasury itself, that number is expected to go up to close to a | :09:12. | :09:17. | |
2 billion, 77 billion. That is an important number to remember as we | :09:17. | :09:23. | |
go through. -- close to 80 billion. What was wrong with Labour's plans | :09:23. | :09:26. | |
was that they were still going to be borrowing a 2 billion by the end | :09:26. | :09:30. | |
of the Parliament, which was supposed to be a sign of their | :09:30. | :09:37. | |
total lack of credibility. -- 80 billion. That gives a new meaning | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
to divergence! We will be hearing more about investment in | :09:41. | :09:46. | |
infrastructure projects, rails, roads, hospitals and maybe airports. | :09:46. | :09:49. | |
The public and private sector is supposed to come up with the money. | :09:49. | :09:54. | |
Will there be much of an immediate or short-term impact on growth? | :09:54. | :09:59. | |
cannot have much of an immediate impact. Even though there is 5 | :09:59. | :10:04. | |
billion of spending all this Parliament on infrastructure that | :10:04. | :10:10. | |
has been allocated for road projects and that kind of thing, | :10:10. | :10:16. | |
you know that it takes a while to get these things going. And the | :10:16. | :10:19. | |
weakness is right now. In the best case, we are talking once before | :10:19. | :10:27. | |
people are hired, people start saying money in the economy. -- | :10:27. | :10:33. | |
months before people are hired. The majority of the money that will | :10:33. | :10:37. | |
come from it will not come for years and years. 20 billion of it, | :10:37. | :10:42. | |
provided by pension funds in theory, we do not know how that will in | :10:42. | :10:46. | |
practice be delivered. Both sides had good intentions. Pension funds | :10:46. | :10:50. | |
want to provide this money. But having observed pension funds in | :10:50. | :10:57. | |
practice over many years, getting money out of them is not easy. | :10:57. | :11:01. | |
most important audience for the Chancellor today is not you, me or | :11:01. | :11:06. | |
the MPs in the Commons. It is the bond markets, the folks sat at home | :11:06. | :11:15. | |
and abroad buy and sell our Government's debt. They have been | :11:15. | :11:18. | |
prepared to accept very low yields and interest rates for British debt | :11:18. | :11:22. | |
while the cost for other countries has gone through the roof. They | :11:22. | :11:27. | |
will be worried that low or no growth could derail or delayed | :11:27. | :11:30. | |
deficit reduction. Let's get a sense of what the markets are | :11:30. | :11:38. | |
looking for. Maryam Moshiri is in Canary Wharf. The mood is one of | :11:38. | :11:44. | |
great anticipation. The markets have been quite volatile in the | :11:44. | :11:47. | |
last few months. They do not expect any handouts from the Chancellor | :11:47. | :11:55. | |
whether or not he sticks to his fiscal rules, his austerity plans, | :11:55. | :12:01. | |
with a plan for growth. In the last few months, we have seen gilt | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
yields dropping down to 2.1%, a sign if ever one was needed that | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
the markets are happy with what the Chancellor has filtered through | :12:09. | :12:18. | |
over the last few days. What is the City looking for today? As you said, | :12:18. | :12:22. | |
a lot of it has been leaked so that we know the Chancellor has plans | :12:22. | :12:29. | |
for credit easing, to create opportunities for smaller companies | :12:29. | :12:33. | |
to get access to credit. That has been leaked. Also the | :12:33. | :12:41. | |
infrastructure spending, releasing money from pension funds for | :12:41. | :12:44. | |
schools and hospitals and the infrastructure that the UK needs. | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
Lots of it has been widely leaked. I imagine there will be some tricks | :12:49. | :12:53. | |
up his sleeve to impress the market. We will have to wait and see what | :12:53. | :12:59. | |
they will be at 12:30pm. Everybody is talking about the deficit and | :12:59. | :13:04. | |
growth. Which is the most important to the City? Can both of them | :13:04. | :13:08. | |
happen at the same time? That is the big question. There is pressure | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
for the Government to try to stimulate growth. These are the | :13:11. | :13:15. | |
measures that we will hear about today but it has to be within the | :13:15. | :13:19. | |
confines of the deficit reduction plan. Going on in the background is | :13:19. | :13:22. | |
the eurozone debt crisis and the Chancellor is very wary of the fact | :13:22. | :13:29. | |
that the market will punish the gilt market if they move away from | :13:29. | :13:33. | |
deficit reduction. He does not have much room for manoeuvre, does he? | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
Certainly not. The markets will be watching this very closely indeed. | :13:38. | :13:46. | |
Thank you very much indeed. It is clear from the mood in this City, | :13:46. | :13:51. | |
that growth will be limited to a large degree, but they will have to | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
work-out if the Chancellor has a plan to offset it. | :13:55. | :13:59. | |
Thank you. We are also getting reactions from business men and | :13:59. | :14:04. | |
women in Merseyside. Judith Moritz is at the Cammell Laird shipyard on | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
the Mersey. If I had been speaking to you from | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
here one decade ago, how different things would have looked, this | :14:12. | :14:19. | |
place was in receivership. Now they have contracts here and plenty of | :14:19. | :14:23. | |
work, not just in shipbuilding but wind farm production. They have | :14:23. | :14:27. | |
diversified. This is a success story. I have brought some business | :14:27. | :14:33. | |
people from around Merseyside with made who are waiting keenly to hear | :14:33. | :14:37. | |
what the Chancellor has to say. We have the manager of a diesel | :14:37. | :14:44. | |
engines company, the sea air of the Merseyside Maritime businesses, -- | :14:44. | :14:49. | |
and the manager of the Merseyside Maritime businesses. You have found | :14:49. | :14:53. | |
it very difficult over the last few years, haven't you? Absolutely. | :14:53. | :14:57. | |
Things have changed massively. In the last three years, there has | :14:57. | :15:02. | |
been a dreadful decline. I have five staff that depend on me for | :15:02. | :15:12. | |
:15:12. | :15:12. | ||
What do you want George Osborne to say? You want to hear about credit | :15:12. | :15:17. | |
easing and help for small companies like yours? I would like him to | :15:17. | :15:21. | |
help with small business rates. For me employing five staff, business | :15:21. | :15:24. | |
rates in the centre of Liverpool are horrendous. That would make a | :15:24. | :15:29. | |
massive difference to me. quipped to me off air that you | :15:29. | :15:34. | |
stocked some of his family's wallpaper. We do. We would like | :15:34. | :15:39. | |
limb to maybe come to the store and purchase a few rolls. But on a | :15:39. | :15:44. | |
serious note you feel he's been out of touch? He should come to | :15:44. | :15:49. | |
Liverpool and support our businesses. Jim Teasdale, you speak | :15:50. | :15:54. | |
for many small businesses like Elaine's. Have they all been | :15:54. | :15:58. | |
finding the same problems, tough can credit and with banks helping | :15:58. | :16:03. | |
them out, that kind of thing is This has always been a mercantile | :16:03. | :16:08. | |
and maritime city. I represent 1,700 businesses and we aspire to | :16:08. | :16:12. | |
develop a world class cluster of businesses. We are dealing with | :16:12. | :16:16. | |
tough times economically and within that we have some real success | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
stories. Cammell Laird is just one example, where it is a dynamo for | :16:20. | :16:24. | |
growth, for jobs and creation. And it is diversifying. Although things | :16:24. | :16:31. | |
are tough at present, the prospects are excellent. We are looking | :16:31. | :16:35. | |
forward to building our strengths to develop and further grow this | :16:35. | :16:40. | |
successful cluster. So put it together, world class cluster, | :16:40. | :16:43. | |
world class brand and we are working together for business | :16:43. | :16:48. | |
growth. But is this about getting back to what we do best, and roots. | :16:48. | :16:52. | |
We are talking about a proud history of manufacturing and export | :16:52. | :16:58. | |
is. This about rebalancing that between import and export and | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
getting goods out overseas? We are a trading nation. 95 % of our goods | :17:03. | :17:09. | |
comes by sea. There'll always be an import-export imbalance but there's | :17:09. | :17:13. | |
a move towards more property- centric activity. There's move | :17:13. | :17:17. | |
towards a recognition that the north of England can be fed by a | :17:17. | :17:22. | |
major estuary, a major port this this part of the world. And there | :17:22. | :17:28. | |
is support for manufacturing and manufacturing and logistics in a | :17:28. | :17:32. | |
broad sense. You work for a company with a global reach but you spoke | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
to me about the problem you are seeing in the UK is one of skills | :17:37. | :17:41. | |
shortages, isn't it? What I'm looking for is real confidence, | :17:41. | :17:44. | |
real bravery making decisions to attract younger people into the | :17:44. | :17:48. | |
industry, into engineering, and incentivising employers to do that. | :17:48. | :17:52. | |
That's one of the key messages we hope to hear from George Osborne | :17:52. | :17:57. | |
later today. Like here at Cammell Laird you want to see apprentices | :17:57. | :18:03. | |
for the future. Exactly. The area I come from, in Stockport, we have | :18:03. | :18:06. | |
good connections with the education system and the council. We need to | :18:06. | :18:12. | |
roll that out nationally. Thank you all for your time. We'll have at | :18:12. | :18:15. | |
Cammell Laird a selection of business people watching what | :18:15. | :18:19. | |
George Osborne has to say. They have their individual needs and | :18:19. | :18:23. | |
requirements. We hope to speak to you later and see what they've made | :18:23. | :18:27. | |
of it. Thank you Judith and a special | :18:27. | :18:33. | |
thanks to our guests in Merseyside. They are freezing up there on the | :18:33. | :18:38. | |
windy Mersey in late November. The Chancellor hasn't quite left | :18:38. | :18:42. | |
the Treasury yet. There is the door he is expected to come through. | :18:42. | :18:47. | |
Remember, on Budget days he leaves from number 11 Downing Street, his | :18:47. | :18:53. | |
residence, with his famous red box. But on Autumn Statement days he | :18:53. | :18:56. | |
leaves from the Treasury itself. He's running out of time. He only | :18:57. | :19:03. | |
has 12 minutes. He had better get a move on! Maybe he is refusing to | :19:03. | :19:08. | |
come out, the news is so grim. Jon Sopel is outside Parliament today. | :19:08. | :19:13. | |
Andrew, thank you. As you have been mentioning, the Autumn Statement | :19:13. | :19:16. | |
was supposed to be a low-key affair with the Chancellor updating the | :19:16. | :19:21. | |
House of Commons on the latest economic forecasts. We can see now | :19:21. | :19:24. | |
George Osborne has finally braved it. He is not going to miss it, | :19:24. | :19:28. | |
Andrew. He is going to get there on time to deliver his Autumn | :19:28. | :19:34. | |
Statement. It is probably only a 400 yard drive. No police escort. | :19:34. | :19:38. | |
He leaves the Treasury. I guess he's going to be outside the Palace | :19:38. | :19:44. | |
of Westminster in a very short order. So instead, the task of | :19:44. | :19:49. | |
today has changed rather from what he originally thought. He's going | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
to update the Commons on the Office for Budget Responsibility forecast. | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
But a combination of weak growth and the crisis in the eurozone have | :20:00. | :20:07. | |
persuaded the Chancellor that today he has to pull out all the stops. A | :20:07. | :20:12. | |
reminder of the events leading to today. | :20:12. | :20:16. | |
Tonight at ten the spectre of a return to recession in Europe, as | :20:16. | :20:25. | |
growth collapses. So they're going through a | :20:25. | :20:35. | |
financial crisis that is scaring the world. We could run the risk of | :20:35. | :20:41. | |
what some commentators are already calling a lost decade. TRANSLATION: | :20:41. | :20:44. | |
Europe is in the middle of what may be its toughest hour since World | :20:44. | :20:50. | |
War II. Lower growth, higher unemployment, | :20:50. | :20:56. | |
the troubling state of the British economy. | :20:56. | :21:01. | |
The crisis in the eurozone is having a chilling effect, not just | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
on eurozone economies, not just on market confidence but on the | :21:04. | :21:11. | |
British economy, too. Britain will stick to the deficit | :21:11. | :21:17. | |
plan we have set out. It is the rock or stability upon which our | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
recovery is built, and it has delivered record low interest rates. | :21:21. | :21:31. | |
:21:31. | :21:34. | ||
Abandoning that plan would put What is happening in the economy | :21:35. | :21:44. | |
:21:45. | :21:46. | ||
now is a very large squeeze on We are trying to recover from a | :21:46. | :21:51. | |
deep and difficult recession. Yet growth is slow, not just in Britain | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
but in France and Germany too. But we are, frankly, well behind where | :21:55. | :22:05. | |
:22:05. | :22:08. | ||
And just as in Birkenhead I'm the only one wearing a coat. I've been | :22:08. | :22:12. | |
joined by the former Conservative Chancellor, Nigel Lawson, the | :22:12. | :22:22. | |
:22:22. | :22:22. | ||
former Labour City leader minor moor minor and by -- Labour City | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
leader Paul Myners and by Paddy Ashdown. | :22:27. | :22:33. | |
It is still first and foremost about reducing the deficit and | :22:33. | :22:38. | |
eliminating the terrible inheritance of public sector and | :22:38. | :22:42. | |
public finance profligacy which the previous administration left this | :22:42. | :22:47. | |
Government. Unfortunately because of the world economic situation, | :22:47. | :22:50. | |
particularly the eurozone fiasco, it is going to take longer. But it | :22:50. | :22:54. | |
has to be done and it will be done. And that is the core. Of course, | :22:54. | :22:58. | |
this these difficult times George Osborne will want to do what he can | :22:59. | :23:04. | |
to boost confidence. Confidence is such a, you can't measure it but it | :23:04. | :23:08. | |
is such an important ingredient. We'll see a number of measures | :23:08. | :23:14. | |
directed at that as well. Lord Myners is this just clearing up the | :23:14. | :23:19. | |
that Labour left behind? No, the economy was recovering strongly in | :23:20. | :23:23. | |
the 12 months from the third quarter of 2009 before it dipped | :23:23. | :23:27. | |
back into a recession. We're back in recession in major parts of the | :23:27. | :23:31. | |
country already. This austerity programme was meant to create space | :23:31. | :23:34. | |
for private sector investment, for unemployment to come down, for | :23:34. | :23:38. | |
inflation to come down and for growth. Hate achieved none of those. | :23:38. | :23:43. | |
Plan A has failed as a credible plan. What we are going to see | :23:43. | :23:48. | |
today is an Autumn Statement which has now become an increasingly | :23:48. | :23:52. | |
panicly Budget. Lord Ashdown, I would think you are rather more | :23:52. | :23:56. | |
comfortable about the things we've been hearing about over the past | :23:56. | :24:02. | |
few days, the capping of rail first, the infrastructure projects, help | :24:02. | :24:09. | |
for people on the housing ladder. Then you know me well. You have to | :24:09. | :24:17. | |
cut the deficit. Labour left behind a debt of �963 billion. Now, that | :24:17. | :24:24. | |
is a larger debt to GDP ratio than Italy's debt, yet we enjoy interest | :24:24. | :24:28. | |
rates that are lower than the Germans. Why? Because we are | :24:28. | :24:31. | |
serious about cutting the deficit. The idea that Labour's proposition | :24:31. | :24:35. | |
is having borrowed so much and got ourselves into so much trouble is | :24:35. | :24:42. | |
we borrow more is unbelievable. If interest rates went up by just 0.5% | :24:42. | :24:47. | |
because we started to borrow more, the consequence would be �4 billion | :24:47. | :24:51. | |
it this year. Extra on our repayments. This is nonsense. You | :24:51. | :24:55. | |
have to do what you can do within the strategy to get growth going | :24:55. | :24:59. | |
and ease the burden but you cannot break the strategy. The proposition | :24:59. | :25:03. | |
that the answer to too high a level of borrowing in Britain is to | :25:03. | :25:08. | |
borrow more is unbelievable. Lord Lawson, you've wrestled at the | :25:08. | :25:12. | |
Treasury, how much room for manoeuvre does George Osborne have, | :25:12. | :25:17. | |
given that he has said these ambitious targets in terms of the | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
deficit reduction? As Paddy said, provided he sticks to his guns he | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
does have a certain amount of room for manoeuvre, because he has | :25:26. | :25:30. | |
market credibility. If you forfeit market credibility you have no room | :25:30. | :25:34. | |
for manoeuvre at all. If I may respond to one thing ta Paul Myners | :25:34. | :25:40. | |
said, he said this was meant to be a cut-back in public sector and the | :25:40. | :25:46. | |
private sector would move ahead. That will happen. I remember this | :25:46. | :25:50. | |
very well. In the early '80s we had to do. This the problem was not as | :25:50. | :25:57. | |
great but we still had a huge deficit which was too big. It took | :25:57. | :26:01. | |
time before the private sector moved forward and unemployment came | :26:01. | :26:05. | |
down. But it did. Did Labour spend too much in Government? Labour took | :26:06. | :26:10. | |
the right actions with a global crisis to keep the economy growing. | :26:10. | :26:14. | |
We saw a smaller in all in unemployment... That wasn't the | :26:14. | :26:18. | |
question. We took the right action at the right time and we have a | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
strategy for reducing the deficit over a reasonable period of time | :26:23. | :26:28. | |
without damaging prospects for the economy. I'm not sure that answered | :26:28. | :26:31. | |
my question. Thank you all for being with us. Andrew, back to you | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
in the studio. Thank you Jon. American Airlines | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
has filed for what's called Chapter 11 bankruptcy. It sounds serious, | :26:39. | :26:44. | |
probably is, but it has happened before, in fact several times | :26:44. | :26:49. | |
before, so I wouldn't completely panic, unless you are flying on | :26:49. | :26:54. | |
American Airlines. Bonds hit 2.8% of a yield, down from the close | :26:55. | :26:58. | |
last night. The markets are looking kindly on what they think the | :26:58. | :27:03. | |
Chancellor is going to say so far. If you want to comment, you can do | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
so on our website - bbc.co.uk/news click on Have Your Say. If you are | :27:09. | :27:14. | |
tweeting the, use @bbceconomy. Ahead of the statement the | :27:14. | :27:18. | |
Government's been keen to get the message out. Ministers are trying | :27:18. | :27:23. | |
to promote growth. They've given us a battery of measures already. | :27:23. | :27:27. | |
Everything George Osborne said he wouldn't do, a long list of | :27:27. | :27:33. | |
proposals. Sounds like Gordon Brown! Exactly. We've had that �5 | :27:33. | :27:36. | |
billion that Robert Peston mentioned, over the next three | :27:36. | :27:40. | |
years for infrastructure investment. They are hoping to get another �20 | :27:40. | :27:44. | |
billion from the private sector for those schemes. That's very much | :27:44. | :27:49. | |
what you think is blue sky thinking at this point. There is that credit | :27:49. | :27:53. | |
easing plan, hoping to underwrite, guarantee, up to �20 billion of | :27:53. | :27:57. | |
loans to small businesses. We know that's been such arch issue. They | :27:57. | :28:01. | |
are saying that could rise to �40 billion and give quite a reduction | :28:01. | :28:05. | |
in the during costs for firms. For young people, such a big problem | :28:05. | :28:10. | |
the rise in youth unemployment. There is going to be a �1 billion | :28:10. | :28:14. | |
scheme, we are told. We've heard a lot about it except how it is going | :28:14. | :28:24. | |
to be paid form. And we had details as long ago as a week ago they were | :28:24. | :28:25. | |
talking about housing and �400 million to kick-start the housing | :28:25. | :28:35. | |
:28:35. | :28:36. | ||
market to help people buy homes, and a mortgage indem nitty schemes. | :28:36. | :28:42. | |
Lower rail fares, and a 3p rise in fuel duty that was suppose to do so | :28:42. | :28:45. | |
happen in January. We are expecting that to be frozen or delayed. But | :28:45. | :28:50. | |
remember all of this needs to be paid for. Either that or it is | :28:50. | :28:55. | |
going to be off-balance sheet, it doesn't count against the during. | :28:55. | :29:00. | |
Even if it is off the balance sheet, we will find it, Stephanie. Let's | :29:00. | :29:06. | |
look into the Commons now. It is Foreign Office questions. | :29:06. | :29:09. | |
Nick. What is interesting about the figures is that it means that the | :29:10. | :29:14. | |
Chancellor will have to tell us of pain now, pain in the future, pain | :29:14. | :29:19. | |
beyond the election, beyond anything we've heard in his | :29:19. | :29:23. | |
previous Budget or Autumn Statements. He has to. He is saying | :29:23. | :29:30. | |
he won't increase spending, gauz would be to abandon plan A. He has | :29:30. | :29:36. | |
to say today who pays the bills for that. The banks might feel a bit | :29:36. | :29:40. | |
more pain. We might hear tax credits are going to be held down. | :29:40. | :29:45. | |
You always look for public sector workforce. We don't know what he is | :29:45. | :29:53. | |
going to do on pay in future. And the big one, what about long term, | :29:53. | :30:00. | |
the big pensions billing? Pain, pain, pain, and you can't even | :30:00. | :30:05. | |
escape on American Airlines! Gordon Brown used to go through all these | :30:05. | :30:11. | |
measures and the Tories used to despise it. The Tory critique of | :30:11. | :30:15. | |
Gordon Brown was too much meddling around the edges, and there are a | :30:15. | :30:20. | |
lot of micromeasures. All designed to improve the productive potential | :30:20. | :30:25. | |
of the British economy. I suppose, underlying the micromeasures | :30:26. | :30:30. | |
there's a very big and important point we have to grasp - the | :30:30. | :30:35. | |
British economy was run in an unsustainable way for many years | :30:35. | :30:40. | |
during the boom. We with consumed more than we earned. The big task | :30:40. | :30:43. | |
for any Government is to encourage companies to invest more and to | :30:44. | :30:48. | |
make them leaner and fitter so they sell more around the world and we | :30:48. | :30:51. | |
close that deficit, which has been at the heart of all our problems. | :30:51. | :30:56. | |
What will I be looking at is whether there is any sign of a | :30:56. | :31:02. | |
rebalancing of the economy, to use that cliche, such that we are | :31:02. | :31:07. | |
seeing more of a contribution in the medium term from companies | :31:07. | :31:11. | |
exporting and investing more. It will be interesting what the Office | :31:11. | :31:20. | |
for Budget Responsibility makes of We know that the borrowing will be | :31:20. | :31:30. | |
:31:30. | :31:30. | ||
more than they originally thought, even more fun than Budget. -- even | :31:30. | :31:34. | |
more than the Budget. The markets seem to be relatively relaxed. | :31:34. | :31:38. | |
is difficult to read the markets... We have to go straight to the | :31:38. | :31:46. | |
Commons now. Let me put squarely before House of | :31:46. | :31:49. | |
Commons and the British public the economic situation facing our | :31:49. | :31:54. | |
country. Much of Europe seems to be heading into recession caused by a | :31:54. | :31:58. | |
chronic lack of confidence in the ability of countries to deal with | :31:58. | :32:02. | |
their debts. We will do whatever it takes to protect Britain from this | :32:02. | :32:09. | |
debt storm while doing all we can, all we can to build the foundations | :32:09. | :32:14. | |
of future growth. Today we set out how we will do that by | :32:14. | :32:18. | |
demonstrating that this country has the will to live within its means | :32:18. | :32:24. | |
and keep interest rates low. By acting to stimulate the supply of | :32:24. | :32:28. | |
money and credit, to make sure those low interest rates are passed | :32:28. | :32:33. | |
on to families and businesses. By matching our determination on the | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
deficit, with an active enterprise policy for business, and with | :32:38. | :32:42. | |
lasting investment in our infrastructure and education, so | :32:42. | :32:46. | |
that Britain can pay its way in the future. And at every opportunity, | :32:46. | :32:52. | |
helping families with the cost of living. The central forecasts that | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
we published today from the Independent Office for Budget | :32:57. | :33:04. | |
Responsibility do not predict recession here in Britain. But they | :33:04. | :33:07. | |
have done surprisingly revised down their short-term growth prospects | :33:07. | :33:14. | |
for our country, for Europe and for the world. They expect GDP in | :33:14. | :33:23. | |
Britain to grow this year by 0.9%, and by 0.7% next year. They then | :33:23. | :33:33. | |
:33:33. | :33:35. | ||
forecast 2.1% gross in 2013, do 0.7% in 2014, -- 2.7% in 2014, and | :33:35. | :33:41. | |
3% in 2015 and in 2016. They are clear that this central forecast | :33:41. | :33:45. | |
assumes in their words that the euro area finds a way through the | :33:45. | :33:49. | |
current crisis and that the policy makers eventually find a solution | :33:49. | :33:54. | |
that delivers sovereign debt and sustainability. -- sovereign debt | :33:54. | :33:58. | |
sustainability. If not, there could be a much worse outcome for Britain | :33:58. | :34:03. | |
and I believe they are right. We hope this can be averted, but if | :34:03. | :34:06. | |
the rest of Europe heads into recession it may be hard to avoid | :34:07. | :34:11. | |
one here in the UK. We are now undertaking extensive contingency | :34:11. | :34:17. | |
planning to deal with all potential outcomes of the euro crisis. Like | :34:17. | :34:26. | |
the Bank of England and the OECD yesterday, instability is one of | :34:26. | :34:30. | |
the central reasons for the reduction in the growth forecast. I | :34:30. | :34:34. | |
want to thank Robert Chote, Stephen Nickell and Graham Parker and their | :34:34. | :34:39. | |
team for the rigorous work that they have done. I think they are | :34:39. | :34:43. | |
forecast today demonstrates beyond any doubt their independence. -- | :34:43. | :34:49. | |
therefore cast. But if we accept their numbers... This is an | :34:49. | :34:54. | |
important point. If we accept their numbers we must also pay heed to | :34:54. | :34:59. | |
their analysis. In addition to the eurozone crisis, the OBR gives two | :34:59. | :35:04. | |
further reasons for the weaker forecast. First, what they call the | :35:05. | :35:09. | |
external inflation shock, the result in their words of unexpected | :35:09. | :35:15. | |
rises in energy prices and global agricultural commodity prices. | :35:15. | :35:19. | |
Their analysis, independent, is that this explains the slowdown in | :35:19. | :35:29. | |
:35:29. | :35:30. | ||
growth in Britain over the past 18 months. Second, the... | :35:30. | :35:33. | |
statement by the Chancellor must be heard and he should not have to | :35:33. | :35:41. | |
fight to be heard. The Chancellor. Second, Mr Speaker, the OBR today | :35:41. | :35:49. | |
show new evidence that an even bigger component of the growth that | :35:49. | :35:52. | |
preceded the crisis was an unsustainable boom, that the bust | :35:52. | :35:55. | |
was deeper and had an even greater impact on our economy than was | :35:55. | :36:00. | |
previously thought. And the result of this analysis is that the OBR | :36:00. | :36:04. | |
has significantly reduced their assumptions about spare capacity in | :36:04. | :36:08. | |
our economy and the trend rate of growth. This increases their | :36:08. | :36:11. | |
estimate of the proportion of the deficit that is structural, in | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
other words the part of the deficit that does not disappear even when | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
the economy recovers. Our debt challenge is even greater than we | :36:19. | :36:25. | |
thought because the boom was even bigger, the bust even deeper, and | :36:25. | :36:32. | |
the effects will last even longer. Britain has had the highest | :36:32. | :36:37. | |
structural budget deficit of any major economy in the world, and the | :36:37. | :36:43. | |
highest deficit in the entire history of our country outside of | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
war, and the last Government left it to this Government to sort that | :36:47. | :36:56. | |
mess out. Now, Mr Speaker, this OBR analysis feeds directly through to | :36:56. | :36:59. | |
borrowing numbers that are falling but not at the rate that had been | :36:59. | :37:06. | |
forecast. In 2009-10, the last Government was borrowing �156 | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
billion per year. During the first year of this Government that fell | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
to �137 billion. This year the OBR expect it to fall again to 127 | :37:16. | :37:24. | |
billion, then 120 billion next year, 100 billion in 2013, 79 billion in | :37:24. | :37:34. | |
:37:34. | :37:34. | ||
2014, then 53 billion in 2015, and 24 billion a year by 2016-17. | :37:34. | :37:38. | |
However, I can report that because of the lower market interest rates | :37:38. | :37:42. | |
that we have secured for Britain, debt interest rates over the | :37:42. | :37:50. | |
Parliament of forecast to be �22 billion less than predicted. -- are | :37:50. | :37:56. | |
forecast. Given the economic events described by the Office for Budget | :37:56. | :38:00. | |
Responsibility, what would have happened to borrowing without the | :38:00. | :38:03. | |
action this Government has taken? The Treasury estimates that | :38:03. | :38:12. | |
borrowing by 2014-50 would have been... The Chancellor's statement | :38:12. | :38:15. | |
must be heard. There are strong passions on the subject and there | :38:16. | :38:19. | |
will be plenty of time to people to come in on the back of the state | :38:19. | :38:23. | |
that but it must be heard with a degree of courtesy. -- the | :38:23. | :38:32. | |
statement. Borrowing by 2014-2015 it would have been running at over | :38:33. | :38:36. | |
�100 billion per year more and Britain would have borrowed an | :38:36. | :38:39. | |
additional �100 billion in total over the period. If we have pursued | :38:39. | :38:45. | |
that path, we would now be in the centre of the sovereign debt storm. | :38:45. | :38:49. | |
The crisis that we see unfolding in Europe has not undermined the case | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
for the difficult decisions that we have taken. It has made that case | :38:53. | :39:02. | |
stronger. We held our deficit reduction Budget on our terms last | :39:02. | :39:05. | |
year, not on the market turns this year as so many have been forced to | :39:06. | :39:15. | |
:39:16. | :39:17. | ||
do. On that Budget we set out a tough fiscal mandate that we would | :39:17. | :39:24. | |
eliminate the debt problem. To be cautious, I said plans to meet | :39:24. | :39:29. | |
these Budget rules one year early. That hetero has now disappeared. I | :39:29. | :39:36. | |
am clear that our rules must be Ed tier two and I am taking action to | :39:36. | :39:40. | |
make sure that they are. As a result, the OBR's central | :39:40. | :39:44. | |
projection is that we will meet the fiscal mandate and the debt target. | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
The current structural deficit is forecast to fall from 4.6% of GDP | :39:48. | :39:53. | |
this year to a structural surplus of 0.5% in five years' time. The | :39:53. | :39:59. | |
debt to GDP ratio, which is forecast to stand at 67% this year, | :39:59. | :40:06. | |
is now set to peak at 68 -- 78% in 20 14th and be falling by the end | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
of the Parliament. So borrowing is falling and that will come down. It | :40:10. | :40:14. | |
is not happening as quickly as we would have wished because of damage | :40:14. | :40:19. | |
to our economy by the ongoing financial crisis. But we are set to | :40:19. | :40:25. | |
meet our budget rules and we will see Britain through the debt storm. | :40:25. | :40:30. | |
Mr Speaker, there is a suggestion from some in this house that if you | :40:30. | :40:35. | |
spend more, you will borrow less. This is something for nothing | :40:35. | :40:41. | |
economics. The House should know the risks that we would be running. | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
Last April, the absence of a credible deficit plan meant that | :40:45. | :40:48. | |
our credit rating was on a negative outlook and our market interest | :40:48. | :40:53. | |
rates were higher than Italy's. 18 months later we are the only major | :40:53. | :41:02. | |
Western country which has had its credit rating improve. Italy is at | :41:02. | :41:07. | |
7.2% and we are at less than 2.5%. Yesterday we were even borrowing | :41:07. | :41:13. | |
money more cheaply than Germany. And those that would put all of | :41:13. | :41:17. | |
that at risk by deliberately adding to our deficit must explain this. | :41:17. | :41:21. | |
Just a 1% rise in our market interest rates would add �10 | :41:21. | :41:25. | |
billion to mortgage bills every year. 1% would mean the average | :41:25. | :41:30. | |
family with a mortgage would have to pay �1,000 more. 1% would | :41:30. | :41:35. | |
increase the cost of business loans by �7 billion. 1% would force | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
taxpayers to find an extra �21 billion in debt interest payments, | :41:39. | :41:44. | |
much of it going to our foreign creditors. In other words, 1% | :41:44. | :41:47. | |
dwarfs any extra Government spending or tax cut funded by | :41:47. | :41:53. | |
borrowing that people proposed today. That is the cost of just a | :41:53. | :41:58. | |
1% rise. Italy's rates have gone up by 3% in the last year alone. We | :41:58. | :42:02. | |
will not take this risk with the solvency of the British economy and | :42:02. | :42:10. | |
British families. Mr Speaker, the current environment requires we | :42:10. | :42:13. | |
take further action on debt to ensure that Britain continues to | :42:13. | :42:18. | |
live within its means. This is what we propose to do. First, there is | :42:18. | :42:22. | |
no need to adjust the overall totals set out in the spending | :42:22. | :42:27. | |
review, had taken all together measures that I will set out today | :42:27. | :42:30. | |
require no extra borrowing and require no extra savings across the | :42:30. | :42:35. | |
spending period. Second, I am announcing significant savings and | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
current spending to make the fiscal position more sustainable in the | :42:38. | :42:43. | |
medium and long-term. In the short term, over the next three years, we | :42:43. | :42:46. | |
will use the savings to fund capital investment in | :42:46. | :42:52. | |
infrastructure, in regional growth and education, as well as help for | :42:52. | :42:57. | |
young people to find work. Every �1 spent in this way will be paid for | :42:57. | :43:02. | |
by �1 saved permanently. This includes savings from a further | :43:02. | :43:09. | |
restraint on public sector pay. For some workforces, the two year pay | :43:09. | :43:15. | |
freeze will come to an end next spring. For most during 2013. In | :43:15. | :43:19. | |
the current circumstances the country cannot afford the 2% rise | :43:19. | :43:23. | |
assumed by some Government department thereafter. Instead we | :43:23. | :43:27. | |
will set public-sector pay awards at an average of 1% for each of the | :43:27. | :43:32. | |
two years after the pay freeze ends. Many are helped by pay progression. | :43:33. | :43:36. | |
The annual increases in salary great that many are entitled to | :43:36. | :43:42. | |
when pay is frozen. -- salary grades. It is one of the reasons | :43:42. | :43:45. | |
why a public sector pay has risen at twice the rate of private sector | :43:45. | :43:50. | |
pay over the last four years. I accept that a 1% average rise is | :43:50. | :43:53. | |
tough but it is also fair to those that were to pay the taxes that | :43:53. | :44:02. | |
fund it. -- that work to pay. I am also announcing that we are asking | :44:02. | :44:06. | |
the independent pay review bodies to consider how public sector pay | :44:06. | :44:10. | |
can be made more responsive to local labour markets, and we will | :44:11. | :44:16. | |
ask them to report back by July next year. This is a significant | :44:16. | :44:19. | |
step towards creating a more balanced economy in the regions of | :44:19. | :44:29. | |
our country, that does not squeeze out the private sector. Mr Speaker, | :44:29. | :44:36. | |
departmental... Mr Speaker, departmental budgets will, with the | :44:37. | :44:44. | |
exception of the NHS and the school budgets, where the money saved will | :44:44. | :44:49. | |
be used to protect their budgets in real terms. This will save �1 | :44:49. | :44:54. | |
billion of spending by 2014-15. The deal we will offer on public sector | :44:54. | :45:00. | |
pensions is also fair to both taxpayers and public servants. The | :45:00. | :45:05. | |
reforms are based on the independent report of John Hutton, | :45:05. | :45:15. | |
:45:15. | :45:19. | ||
He says it is hard to imagine a better deal than this. I would once | :45:19. | :45:23. | |
again ask the unions why they are damaging our economy at a time like | :45:23. | :45:29. | |
this and putting jobs at risk. Call off the strikes tomorrow, come back | :45:29. | :45:33. | |
to the table, complete the negotiations and let's agree | :45:33. | :45:37. | |
generous pensions that are affordable to the taxpayer. | :45:37. | :45:44. | |
Mr Speaker, let me turn to other areas of public spending, starting | :45:44. | :45:47. | |
with overseas aid. This Government will stick by the commitments it | :45:47. | :45:52. | |
has made to the poorest people in the world by increasing our | :45:52. | :45:55. | |
international development Budget. The whole House should be proud of | :45:55. | :46:00. | |
the help our country is providing to eradicate disease, save lives | :46:00. | :46:05. | |
and eds Kate children. But the spending plans of the Department | :46:05. | :46:09. | |
for International Development meant that the UK was on course to exceed | :46:09. | :46:15. | |
0.7% of national income in 2013. That I don't think can be justified. | :46:15. | :46:20. | |
Adjusting those plans so we don't overshoot the target. | :46:20. | :46:26. | |
Turning to welfare payments. The annual increase in the basic state | :46:26. | :46:32. | |
pension is protected by the triple lock introduced by this Government. | :46:32. | :46:38. | |
This guarantees a rise either in line with earnings, prices or 2.5%, | :46:38. | :46:42. | |
whichever is greater. It means that the basic state pension will next | :46:43. | :46:50. | |
April rise by �5.30 to �107.45, the largest ever cash rise in the basic | :46:50. | :46:54. | |
state pension and a commitment of fairness to those that have worked | :46:54. | :47:00. | |
hard all their lives. I wanted to make sure that poorer | :47:00. | :47:03. | |
pensioners did not see a smaller rise in their income, so I can | :47:03. | :47:09. | |
confirm today we will uprate the pension credit by �5.35 and pay for | :47:09. | :47:13. | |
this with an increase in the threshold of the savings credit. I | :47:13. | :47:19. | |
also want to protect those who are not able to work because of their | :47:19. | :47:23. | |
disabilities and those who through no fault of their own have lost | :47:23. | :47:28. | |
jobs. We will uprate working age benefits in line with September's | :47:28. | :47:32. | |
CPI inflation number of 5.2%. This will be a significant boost to the | :47:32. | :47:36. | |
incomes of the poorest, especially when inflation is forecast to be | :47:36. | :47:42. | |
considerably less than that by next April. We will also uprate with | :47:42. | :47:46. | |
prices the disability elements elements of tax credits and | :47:46. | :47:51. | |
increase the child element to have Child Tax Credit by �135 in line | :47:51. | :47:54. | |
with inflation. But we will not uprate the other elements of the | :47:54. | :47:58. | |
working tax credit this coming year. Given the size to have outrating | :47:58. | :48:03. | |
this year we will no longer go ahead with the additional �110 rise | :48:03. | :48:08. | |
of the child element over and above inflation planned. By April 2012 | :48:08. | :48:12. | |
the Child Tax Credit will have increased by �390 sings the | :48:12. | :48:16. | |
coalition came into power. The best way to support low income working | :48:16. | :48:21. | |
people is to take them out of tax altogether. | :48:21. | :48:25. | |
Our increases in the income tax personal allowance this year and | :48:25. | :48:32. | |
next will do that for over 1 million people. Let me turn to | :48:32. | :48:36. | |
future public spending Mr Speaker. Today am setting spends ture totals | :48:36. | :48:42. | |
for the two years following the ends of the Spending Review period, | :48:42. | :48:48. | |
2015 -16 and 2016-17. Total managed expenditure will fall during that | :48:48. | :48:54. | |
period by 0.9% a year in real terms. The same rate as set out existing | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
period toof Spending Review, with a baseline that exlose the additional | :48:58. | :49:02. | |
investment in infrastructure also announced today. These are large | :49:02. | :49:07. | |
savings and we will set out in future how resources will will be | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
allocated between difficulty areas of Government. I am also announcing | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
a measure to control spending not for today, next year or the next | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
decade, but it directly addressing the long-term challenge British and | :49:20. | :49:24. | |
so many other countries face with an ageing population. Our | :49:24. | :49:27. | |
generation has been warned that the cost of providing decent state | :49:27. | :49:31. | |
pensions are going to become mother and more unaffordable unless we | :49:31. | :49:35. | |
take further action. Let us not leave it to our children to take | :49:35. | :49:39. | |
emergency action to rescue the public finances. Let's think ahead | :49:39. | :49:44. | |
and take responsible, sensible steps now. So starting in the year | :49:44. | :49:50. | |
2026 we will increase the state pension age from 66 to 67, so we | :49:50. | :49:55. | |
can go on paying a decent pension to people who are living longer. | :49:55. | :50:00. | |
Australia, America and Germany have all taken similar steps. This will | :50:00. | :50:04. | |
not affect anyone within 14 years of receiving their state pension | :50:04. | :50:10. | |
today. By saving a staggering �59 billion it will mean a long term | :50:10. | :50:14. | |
future for the basic state pension. We are showing a world sceptical | :50:14. | :50:17. | |
that democratic western Government can take tough decisions that | :50:17. | :50:23. | |
Britain will pay its way in the world. | :50:23. | :50:29. | |
Now, Mr Speaker. That is the first thing. The Government can do in the | :50:29. | :50:32. | |
current environment. Keep our interest rates low and protect our | :50:32. | :50:38. | |
country from if worst of the debt storm. But we need to make sure | :50:38. | :50:42. | |
that those low interest rates are available to families and | :50:42. | :50:46. | |
businesses. It is monetary and credit policy which is, in a debt | :50:46. | :50:51. | |
crisis, the principal and most powerful tool for stimulating | :50:51. | :50:58. | |
demand. Last month the Bank of England's monetary policy committee | :50:58. | :51:04. | |
increased quantitative easing. �275 billion. This will support demand | :51:04. | :51:09. | |
across the commitment we must do more to help small businesss who | :51:09. | :51:13. | |
can't get access to credit at an affordable price. We've extended | :51:13. | :51:16. | |
the last Government's enterprise finance guarantee scheme. We are | :51:16. | :51:23. | |
expanding it to businesses with annual turnovers of up to �44 | :51:23. | :51:29. | |
million. This scheme is by itself not nearly ambitious enough and | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
never will within the constraints of state aid rules. The Government | :51:34. | :51:37. | |
is announcing credit easing to help small businesses. We've set a | :51:37. | :51:41. | |
ceiling of �40 billion. At the same time I've agreed with Mervyn King | :51:41. | :51:47. | |
we will reduce by �40 billion the asset purchase facility the | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
previous Government gave the bank to buy business loans. Only a small | :51:51. | :51:55. | |
proportion of that facility was ever used. I'm publishing my | :51:55. | :51:58. | |
exchange of letters with the Governor today. So we are launching | :51:58. | :52:02. | |
our national loan guarantee scheme. It will work on the simple | :52:02. | :52:05. | |
principle that we use the hard-won low interest rates that the | :52:05. | :52:08. | |
Government can borrow at to reduce the interest rates that small | :52:08. | :52:12. | |
businesses can borrow at. We are using the credibility we've end in | :52:13. | :52:17. | |
the international markets to help our domestic economy. New loans and | :52:17. | :52:22. | |
over drafts to business with a turnover of less than �50 million | :52:22. | :52:25. | |
will be eligible to the scheme, so it is focused on smaller companies. | :52:25. | :52:29. | |
We expect it will lead to reductions of 1 percentage point in | :52:29. | :52:35. | |
the rate of interest charged to these companies. A business facing | :52:36. | :52:41. | |
a 7% interest rate could see their rate reduced to 6%. We've developed | :52:41. | :52:44. | |
with the Bank of England a mechanism to allocate funding to | :52:44. | :52:47. | |
different banks based on how much they increase both net and gross | :52:47. | :52:52. | |
lending to firms. And there'll be a clear audit trail to ensure the | :52:52. | :52:55. | |
banks comply, for we will use the experience of the European | :52:55. | :52:59. | |
investment banks loans for SMEs Fulham the UK to ensure it works. | :52:59. | :53:02. | |
We are getting state aid approval so the national loan guarantee | :53:02. | :53:07. | |
scheme will be up and running in the next few months. Initially �20 | :53:07. | :53:11. | |
billion of these guarantees will be available over the next two years. | :53:11. | :53:13. | |
Alongside it we are launching a �1 billion business finance | :53:13. | :53:17. | |
partnership. This is aimed at Britain's mid-sized companies, a | :53:17. | :53:21. | |
crucial part of our economy, effected for too long and now | :53:21. | :53:28. | |
identified by the CBI director- general and others as a source of | :53:28. | :53:31. | |
growth. The Government will lend droll these businesses, in | :53:31. | :53:37. | |
partnership with investment pension funds and insurance companies. It | :53:37. | :53:40. | |
will give a new source of investment outside the banks. If | :53:40. | :53:44. | |
the business partnership takes off I stand ready to increase its size. | :53:44. | :53:50. | |
We will help Britain's small and medium-sized companies no. | :53:50. | :53:54. | |
Government has attempted anything as ambitious as this before. We | :53:54. | :53:58. | |
will not get every detail perfect first time round but we don't want | :53:58. | :54:05. | |
to make an enmoif the Government. The important thing is the get | :54:05. | :54:07. | |
Croat flowing to Britain's small businesses. | :54:07. | :54:10. | |
Mr Speaker, the Government can use the low interest rates we've | :54:10. | :54:15. | |
secured to help young families too. Who want to buy a home but can't | :54:15. | :54:20. | |
afford the very large deposits the banks are demanding. We will use | :54:20. | :54:25. | |
mortgage indemities to help 100,000 such families buy newly built homes. | :54:26. | :54:30. | |
We will help construction firms that can't get bank finance with a | :54:31. | :54:34. | |
�400 million fund that will kick- start projects which already have | :54:34. | :54:38. | |
planning permission. And we are going to reinvigorate the right to | :54:38. | :54:44. | |
buy. This was one of the greatest social policies of all time. It | :54:45. | :54:48. | |
brought home ownership within the reach of millions of aspiring | :54:48. | :54:51. | |
families. It was slowly and stealthily strangled by the last | :54:51. | :54:55. | |
Government, as discounts were cut and cut again. We will bring it | :54:55. | :55:02. | |
back to life. Families in social house willing be able to buy their | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
own homes at a discounts of up to 50%. We will use the receipts build | :55:07. | :55:12. | |
for every home purchase ads new additional affordable home as well. | :55:12. | :55:16. | |
So new homes for families that need them. New home ownership for | :55:16. | :55:21. | |
families who aspire to it. New jobs in the construction industry so we | :55:21. | :55:26. | |
get Britain building. That's what our new right to buy will bring. | :55:26. | :55:34. | |
Mr Speaker, in the years leading up to the crash, our economy became | :55:34. | :55:38. | |
dangerously overdependent on the success of a poorly regulated City | :55:38. | :55:44. | |
of London. Meanwhile, employment by business in a region like the West | :55:44. | :55:49. | |
Midlands fell during this period. So by 2007 the previous Government | :55:49. | :55:56. | |
was relying on finance for one in every �8 it raised in taxation. | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
That left Britain completely exposed when the banks failed. I | :56:00. | :56:05. | |
can confirm that the next month we will publish our response to the | :56:05. | :56:09. | |
report we commissioned from John Vicers to protect taxpayers better. | :56:09. | :56:15. | |
It is there Government's policy to ensure that we remain the home of | :56:15. | :56:19. | |
global banks, that London is the world's pre-eminent financial | :56:19. | :56:24. | |
centre. That is why we will not agree to the introduction of an EU | :56:24. | :56:29. | |
financial transaction tax. It is not a tax on bankers. It's a | :56:29. | :56:35. | |
tax on people's pensions. Instead, we have introduced a permanent bank | :56:35. | :56:40. | |
levy so make sure the banks pay their fair share. I've always said | :56:40. | :56:46. | |
we wish to raise �2.5 billion each and every year from this levy. To | :56:46. | :56:52. | |
ensure we do that, I need to raise the rate to have levy to 0.088%. | :56:52. | :56:58. | |
This will be effective from the 1st January next year. And we will also | :56:58. | :57:03. | |
take action to stop some large firms using complex asset-backed | :57:03. | :57:06. | |
pension funding arrangements to claim double the amount of tax | :57:06. | :57:11. | |
relief that was intended. This will save the exalmost half a bill | :57:11. | :57:15. | |
pounds a year. Mr Speaker, financial services will | :57:15. | :57:20. | |
always be a very important industry for the UK. But we have to help | :57:20. | :57:28. | |
other parts of the private sector grow. That means uncongested roads | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
and railways for business to move products that cannot be reduced to | :57:31. | :57:35. | |
a screen on a City trading floor. It means providing secure power | :57:35. | :57:40. | |
sources at reasonable prices. It means creating superfast digital | :57:40. | :57:45. | |
networks for companies across our country. These do not exist today. | :57:45. | :57:49. | |
See what countries like China or Brazil are building and you will | :57:49. | :57:52. | |
see why we risk falling behind the rest of the world. So we are | :57:52. | :57:57. | |
publishing the national infrastructure plan today. For the | :57:57. | :58:02. | |
first time, we are identifying over 500 infrastructure projects we want | :58:02. | :58:06. | |
to see built over the next decade and beyond. Roads, railways, | :58:06. | :58:10. | |
airport compassity, power stations, waste facilities, broadband | :58:10. | :58:15. | |
networks, and we are mobilising the finance need to do so deliver them | :58:15. | :58:20. | |
too. The savings I've announced in the current but the have enabled me | :58:20. | :58:25. | |
today to fund pound for found �5 billion of additional public | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
spending on infrastructure over the next three years. New spending by | :58:29. | :58:32. | |
Network Rail guaranteed by the Government will bring �1 billion | :58:32. | :58:36. | |
more. And we are committing a further �5 billion to future | :58:36. | :58:40. | |
projects in the next spending period so that planning can start | :58:40. | :58:46. | |
now. This is public money. By exploring guarantees and letting | :58:46. | :58:50. | |
City mayors borrow against attach receipts we are looking at new ways | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
to deploy it. We need to put to work the many billions of pounds | :58:54. | :58:59. | |
that British people save in British pension funds and invest in British | :58:59. | :59:03. | |
projects. You could call it British savings for British jobs, Mr | :59:03. | :59:08. | |
Speaker. And the Government has goerbltded an agreement with two | :59:08. | :59:14. | |
groups of -- negotiated an agreement to unlock �20 billion of | :59:14. | :59:18. | |
private investment in modern infrastructure. We can today give | :59:18. | :59:22. | |
the go-ahead to 35 new road and rail schemes that support economic | :59:22. | :59:30. | |
development. In the North-West we will electify the TransPennine | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
Express between Manchester and Leeds and work with Merseyside to | :59:33. | :59:38. | |
turn the vision of the Atlantic gait away a reality Yorkshire and | :59:38. | :59:42. | |
the Humber there'll be new stations and tram capacity. We will halve | :59:42. | :59:47. | |
the tolls on the Humber Bridge. I want to pay tribute to the members | :59:47. | :59:53. | |
for Beverley and brigand ghoul and other MPs who've campaigned for | :59:53. | :59:59. | |
years. Under this Government it has. We are bringing forward investment | :59:59. | :00:09. | |
:00:09. | :00:12. | ||
on the Tyne and Metro. In the South West, the Bristol link road and the | :00:12. | :00:16. | |
A380 bypass will go ahead. For families across the South West, | :00:16. | :00:20. | |
facing the highest water charges in Britain, the Government will pick | :00:20. | :00:26. | |
up the household bills of all South West Water companies by �50 a year. | :00:26. | :00:33. | |
In the East of England, we're going to make immediate improvements to | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
the A14. In the South East, we will build a new railway link between | :00:38. | :00:43. | |
Oxford, Milton Keynes and Bedford, to create 12,000 new jobs. We are | :00:43. | :00:47. | |
going to stop on a crossing of the lower Thames, and we will explore | :00:47. | :00:52. | |
all the options for maintaining the aviation hub status, with the | :00:52. | :00:57. | |
exception of a third runway at Heathrow. In London, we will work | :00:57. | :01:02. | |
with the Mayor for options on a new river crossing, and the extension | :01:02. | :01:06. | |
of the Northern Line to Battersea, which could bring 25,000 jobs to | :01:06. | :01:09. | |
the area. The devolved administrations will get their | :01:09. | :01:13. | |
share. We are working with them to improve the links between our | :01:13. | :01:19. | |
nations, such as the M four in South Wales and the overnight | :01:19. | :01:24. | |
railway services North of the border. This is a huge commitment | :01:24. | :01:34. | |
:01:34. | :01:36. | ||
to overhauling the infrastructure of our nation. And we will match it | :01:36. | :01:40. | |
by overhauling the digital infrastructure, too. The Government | :01:40. | :01:45. | |
is funding plans to bring super- fast broadband to 90% of homes and | :01:45. | :01:49. | |
businesses across the country, and to extend mobile phone coverage to | :01:49. | :01:54. | |
99% of families. This will help create a living, economically | :01:54. | :01:58. | |
vibrant countryside. But our great cities are at the heart of our | :01:58. | :02:02. | |
regional economies, and we will help bring super-fast broadband | :02:02. | :02:06. | |
connections to 10 of them, including the capitals of all Four | :02:06. | :02:11. | |
Nations. We will go ahead with the 22 enterprise zones already | :02:11. | :02:17. | |
announced, plus two zones in the Humber and Lancashire announced | :02:17. | :02:23. | |
today. Capital will be available to encourage manufacturing in | :02:23. | :02:27. | |
Liverpool, Sheffield, the Tees Valley, the Humber and the Black | :02:27. | :02:31. | |
Country. Those allowances will also be available to the north-eastern | :02:31. | :02:38. | |
enterprise zone. And we will consider extending to create new | :02:38. | :02:48. | |
:02:48. | :02:53. | ||
private sector jobs in the port of Mr Speaker, this Government's new | :02:53. | :03:00. | |
regional growth fund for England has already allocated �1.4 billion | :03:00. | :03:04. | |
to 169 projects around the country. For every �1 we are putting in, we | :03:04. | :03:10. | |
are attracting �6 of private sector money alongside it. I am putting in | :03:10. | :03:13. | |
a further �1 billion over the course of this Parliament into the | :03:13. | :03:16. | |
regional growth fund for England with support for the devolved | :03:16. | :03:19. | |
administrations as well. If we don't get the private sector to | :03:19. | :03:23. | |
take a greater share of economic activity in the regions, then our | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
economy will become more and more unbalanced, as it did over the last | :03:26. | :03:30. | |
10 years. Governments should not assume that this will happen by | :03:30. | :03:35. | |
itself. We should help businesses to grow and succeed and we can do | :03:35. | :03:40. | |
that at a national level, too. For example, with our commitment to | :03:40. | :03:43. | |
British science. At a time of difficult choices, we made hours | :03:43. | :03:48. | |
last year when they committed to protecting the science budget. We | :03:48. | :03:52. | |
are committing half a billion pounds for science projects, from | :03:52. | :03:57. | |
Super Computing the satellite technology and health laboratories. | :03:57. | :04:01. | |
We will encourage our small firms to export overseas for the first | :04:01. | :04:06. | |
time. We are doubling to 50,000 the number of SMEs that we are helping | :04:06. | :04:13. | |
and we are extending our support to British companies that are overseen | :04:13. | :04:17. | |
by the German counterparts. We will make it easier for UK-based firms | :04:17. | :04:24. | |
to compete for Government contracts. We will provide funding for smaller | :04:24. | :04:29. | |
technology firms in Britain who find it difficult to turn their | :04:29. | :04:33. | |
innovations into commercial success. And we have listened to the ideas | :04:33. | :04:35. | |
from business groups about encouraging innovation in larger | :04:35. | :04:40. | |
companies, and we will introduce a new above-the-line research and | :04:40. | :04:47. | |
development tax credit in 2013 which will increase in visibility | :04:47. | :04:52. | |
and generosity. And we will give help to our energy intensive | :04:52. | :04:56. | |
industries. I have not shied away from supporting sensible steps to | :04:56. | :05:01. | |
reduce this country's dependency on volatile oil prices and reduce our | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
carbon emissions. While the Chancellor who funded the first | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
ever Green Investment Bank. Our Green Deal will help people | :05:10. | :05:15. | |
insulate their homes and cut their heating bills. But I am worried | :05:15. | :05:18. | |
about the combined impact of the green policies adopted not just in | :05:18. | :05:24. | |
Britain, but also by the European Union, on some of our energy heavy | :05:24. | :05:28. | |
intensive industries. We will not save the planet by shutting down | :05:28. | :05:34. | |
our steel mills and aluminium smelters and paper manufacturers. | :05:34. | :05:39. | |
All we will be doing is exporting valuable jobs from this country. So | :05:39. | :05:44. | |
we will help them with the costs of the EU trading scheme and the | :05:44. | :05:48. | |
carbon price floor, increase their climate change levy relief, and | :05:48. | :05:54. | |
reduce the impact of reforms on these businesses. This amounts to a | :05:54. | :05:57. | |
�250 million package over the Parliament, and it will keep | :05:57. | :06:03. | |
industry and jobs here in Britain. Mr Speaker, it is a reminder to us | :06:03. | :06:06. | |
all that we should not price British business out of the world | :06:06. | :06:11. | |
economy. If we burden them up with endless social and environmental | :06:11. | :06:16. | |
goals, however worthy in their own right, not only will we not achieve | :06:16. | :06:20. | |
those goals, but the businesses will fail, jobs will be lost and | :06:20. | :06:24. | |
our country will be poorer. Our planning reforms strike the right | :06:24. | :06:31. | |
balance between protecting our countryside, while committing to | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
economic development which creates jobs. We need to go further to | :06:34. | :06:39. | |
avoid the lengthy delays of the current system, with the time limit | :06:39. | :06:41. | |
on applications and responsibilities for statutory | :06:41. | :06:48. | |
consultations. And we will make sure that the EU rules on things | :06:48. | :06:51. | |
like Habitat are not placing ridiculous costs on British | :06:51. | :06:57. | |
business. Planning laws need reform... Order. The house needs to | :06:57. | :07:03. | |
calm down. One honourable member has probably shouted enough for one | :07:04. | :07:13. | |
:07:14. | :07:15. | ||
day. The Chancellor of the Mr Speaker, planning laws need | :07:15. | :07:22. | |
reforms, and so do the employment rules. We know that many firms are | :07:22. | :07:30. | |
afraid to hire new staff because of the cost involved. We are doubling | :07:30. | :07:34. | |
the period after which an employee can bring an unfair dismissal claim. | :07:34. | :07:38. | |
We will call for evidence on further reforms to make it easier | :07:38. | :07:43. | |
to hire people, including changing the cheapie regulations, reducing | :07:43. | :07:48. | |
delay and uncertainty and a collective redundancy process, and | :07:48. | :07:50. | |
introducing the idea of compensated though full dismissal for | :07:50. | :07:56. | |
businesses with fewer than 10 employees. -- no fault dismissal. | :07:56. | :08:01. | |
We will cut the burden of health and safety rules on small firms | :08:01. | :08:04. | |
because we have a regard for the health and safety of the British | :08:04. | :08:07. | |
economy. This Government has introduced flexible working | :08:07. | :08:11. | |
practices. We are committed to fair rights for employees, but what | :08:11. | :08:14. | |
about the right to get a job in the first place and the right to work | :08:14. | :08:18. | |
all hours running a small business and not be sued out of existence by | :08:18. | :08:28. | |
:08:28. | :08:31. | ||
the cost of unemployment tribunal? -- employment tribunal? It is no | :08:31. | :08:36. | |
good comparing ourselves with other countries. The entire European | :08:36. | :08:39. | |
Continent is pricing itself out of the world economy. The same is true | :08:39. | :08:47. | |
on taxes on businesses. We have set as our ambition the goal of giving | :08:47. | :08:52. | |
this country the most competitive tax regime in the G20. Our | :08:52. | :08:56. | |
corporate tax rate has already fallen from 28% to 26% and I can | :08:56. | :09:01. | |
confirm that it will fall next April the 25%. We are undertaking | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
major simplification of the tax code for businesses, including | :09:07. | :09:11. | |
consulting on ideas for merging the administration of income tax and | :09:11. | :09:16. | |
national insurance. We are publishing next week rules on | :09:17. | :09:19. | |
foreign profits so that multinationals stop leaving Britain | :09:19. | :09:26. | |
and start coming here. And we will end low-value relief for goods from | :09:26. | :09:29. | |
the Channel Islands which is used to undercut our High Street | :09:29. | :09:34. | |
businesses. We will increase the generosity of the enterprise | :09:34. | :09:37. | |
development scheme and we will extend it to help new start-up | :09:37. | :09:41. | |
businesses get the investment that they need, because even at the best | :09:41. | :09:45. | |
of times they can struggle to get finance. In the current conditions | :09:45. | :09:50. | |
that struggle ends too often in failure. From April, 2012, anyone | :09:50. | :09:54. | |
investing up to �120,000 in a qualifying you start a business | :09:54. | :09:58. | |
will be eligible for income tax release of 50%, regardless of the | :09:58. | :10:04. | |
rate at which they pay for tax. -- new start-up business. And for one | :10:04. | :10:09. | |
year, we will waive tax on capital gains invested through the new | :10:09. | :10:13. | |
scheme. We can afford this with a freeze on the capital gains tax | :10:13. | :10:19. | |
threshold next year. I want to help small businesses that find the | :10:19. | :10:22. | |
current conditions are tough. Business rates are | :10:22. | :10:32. | |
disproportionately large part of fixed costs. In the Budget, I | :10:32. | :10:35. | |
announced the rate relief holiday and today I am extending that until | :10:35. | :10:41. | |
April, 2013. Over half a million small firms, including one third of | :10:41. | :10:47. | |
all shops, will have reduced or no rate bills for the whole of the | :10:47. | :10:52. | |
rest of the next financial year. And larger businesses will be | :10:52. | :11:02. | |
:11:02. | :11:02. | ||
helped with the rise in business rates. I also want to help any | :11:03. | :11:06. | |
business seeking to employed a young person who is out of work. | :11:06. | :11:12. | |
The OBR forecasts that unemployment will rise by 8.1% this year to 8.7% | :11:12. | :11:18. | |
next year, before falling to 6.2% by the end of the forecast. Youth | :11:18. | :11:24. | |
unemployment has been rising for seven years and is now unacceptably | :11:24. | :11:29. | |
high. It is little comfort that this problem is affecting all | :11:29. | :11:33. | |
Western nations today. The problem is of course primarily a lack of | :11:34. | :11:41. | |
jobs, but it is made worse by a lack of skills. Mr Speaker, too | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
many children are leaving school after 11 years of compulsory | :11:46. | :11:54. | |
education without the basics that they need for the world of work. | :11:54. | :12:01. | |
Our new youth contract addresses both problems. With of of private | :12:01. | :12:07. | |
sector work experience for every young person unemployed for three | :12:07. | :12:14. | |
months, -- with the offer. We will pay for a job or apprenticeship | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
after nine months in a private business. As the Deputy Prime | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
Minister has said, this is a contract. Young people that do not | :12:21. | :12:24. | |
engage with this offer will be considered for mandatory work | :12:24. | :12:28. | |
activity. Those that drop out without good reason will lose their | :12:28. | :12:32. | |
benefits. Are we really going to tackle the economic performance of | :12:32. | :12:40. | |
this country and tackle the decade- long problems of productivity? Then | :12:40. | :12:44. | |
we have to transform our school system, too, so children leave | :12:44. | :12:49. | |
school prepared for the world of work. My honourable friend is doing | :12:49. | :12:54. | |
more to make that happen than anybody that has had his job before. | :12:54. | :12:59. | |
The last Government, Mr Speaker, took six years to create 200 | :12:59. | :13:08. | |
academies. He has created 1200 academies in just 18 months. | :13:08. | :13:10. | |
Supporting his education reform as a central plank of my economic | :13:10. | :13:19. | |
policy. I am providing an extra 1.2 billion as part of the additional | :13:19. | :13:25. | |
investment in infrastructure to spend on our schools. Half of this | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
will go to help local authorities with the greatest basic need for | :13:28. | :13:33. | |
school places. The other 600 million will go to support my right | :13:33. | :13:37. | |
honourable friend's reforms and will support 100 additional free | :13:37. | :13:43. | |
schools. These schools will include new maths schools for 16 to 18 | :13:43. | :13:47. | |
year-olds, giving our most talented young mathematicians the chance to | :13:47. | :13:53. | |
flourish. Like the university technical colleges, these maths | :13:53. | :13:55. | |
free schools are exactly what Britain needs to match our | :13:55. | :13:58. | |
competitors and produce more of the engineering and science graduates | :13:58. | :14:03. | |
so important for our long-term economic success. And to ensure | :14:03. | :14:07. | |
that children born into the poorest families have a real chance to | :14:07. | :14:12. | |
become one of those graduates, we will take further steps to improve | :14:12. | :14:16. | |
early education. Last year it was this coalition Government that not | :14:16. | :14:21. | |
only expanded free nursery education for all three and four | :14:21. | :14:24. | |
year olds, but also gave children from the poorest one-fifth of | :14:25. | :14:27. | |
families then you write to 15 hours of free nursery care per week at | :14:28. | :14:37. | |
:14:38. | :14:43. | ||
the age of two. -- a new right. Thousands of children from the most | :14:43. | :14:46. | |
disadvantaged families will get the support in the early years. | :14:46. | :14:50. | |
Education, early years learning, this is how you change the life | :14:50. | :14:54. | |
chances of our least well off and generally live two children out of | :14:54. | :14:58. | |
poverty. And that is how you build an economy ready to compete in the | :14:58. | :15:08. | |
:15:08. | :15:09. | ||
world. -- genuinely lift children. People know how difficult things | :15:09. | :15:15. | |
are, but where we can help with the rising cost of living, we will. I | :15:15. | :15:18. | |
have announced another freeze in council tax to help millions of | :15:18. | :15:28. | |
:15:28. | :15:29. | ||
Train fares are expensive and they are set to go up well above | :15:29. | :15:33. | |
inflation to pay for the much- needed investment in the new rail | :15:33. | :15:37. | |
and the new trains we need. But RPI plus 3% is too much. The Government | :15:37. | :15:46. | |
will fund a reduction in the increase to RPI plus 1%. This will | :15:46. | :15:52. | |
apply across National Rail- regulated fares, the London tubes | :15:52. | :15:58. | |
and our buses. Mr Speaker, millions more use their cars to go to work | :15:58. | :16:02. | |
and pick up their children from school. It is not a luxury for most | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
people. It is a necessity. In the Budget, I cut fuel cuty by one | :16:09. | :16:16. | |
penny. The plan was for fuel duty to be 3p higher in January and 5 | :16:16. | :16:21. | |
pence higher by August next year. That would be tough for working | :16:21. | :16:26. | |
families. So despite all the constraints upon us we are able to | :16:26. | :16:32. | |
cancel the increase in January. Taxes on pets roll will be a full | :16:32. | :16:36. | |
10p lower than it would have been without our action in the Budget | :16:37. | :16:43. | |
this autumn. Families will save �144 on filling | :16:43. | :16:47. | |
up the average family car by the end of next year. In this tough | :16:47. | :16:54. | |
time, we are helping where we can. Mr Speaker, all that we are doing | :16:54. | :16:58. | |
today, sticking to our deficit plan to keep interest rates as low as | :16:58. | :17:03. | |
possible, increasing the supply of credit to pass those low rates on | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
the families and businesses. Rebalancing our economy with an | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
active enterprise policy and new infrastructure. Help with the cost | :17:12. | :17:16. | |
of living on fuel duty and rail fares. All this takes Britain in | :17:16. | :17:23. | |
the right direction. It cannot... Mr Speaker, it cannot transform our | :17:23. | :17:27. | |
economic situation overnight. People in this country understand | :17:27. | :17:32. | |
the problems that Britain faces. They can watch the news any night | :17:32. | :17:36. | |
of the week and see for themselves the crisis in the eurozone and the | :17:36. | :17:42. | |
scale of the debt burden we carry. And people know, people know that | :17:42. | :17:46. | |
the promises of quick fixings and more spending this country can't | :17:46. | :17:51. | |
afford at times like this are like the promises of a quack doctor | :17:51. | :17:56. | |
selling a miracle cure. We do not offer that today. What we offer is | :17:56. | :18:00. | |
a Government that has a plan to deal with our nation's debts to | :18:00. | :18:03. | |
keep interest rates low. A Government determined to support | :18:03. | :18:08. | |
businesses and support jobs. A Government committed to take | :18:08. | :18:12. | |
Britain safely through the storm. Leadership for tough times. That's | :18:12. | :18:18. | |
what we offer and I commend this statement to the House. | :18:18. | :18:23. | |
STUDIO: That was the Chancellor of the Exchequer of the Exchequer | :18:23. | :18:31. | |
sitting down. We'll now hear from Ed Balls. Mr Speaker, let me start | :18:31. | :18:37. | |
by thanking the Chancellor of the Exchequer... THE SPEAKER: Order. I | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
ask the right honourable gentleman to resume his seat. I said very | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
clearly that people shouldn't shout and yell at the Charlotte. He | :18:45. | :18:50. | |
should be heard in respectful quiet, as the public would hope. The same | :18:50. | :18:55. | |
goes for the reaction to the Shadow Chancellor. Let's try to operate at | :18:55. | :19:01. | |
the level of events. Mr Ed Balls. Thank you Mr Speaker. Let me start | :19:01. | :19:04. | |
by thanking the Chancellor of the Exchequer for advance notice of his | :19:04. | :19:09. | |
statement. And the Office for Budget Responsibility for ensuring | :19:09. | :19:13. | |
that the Chancellor is today setting out to this House the truth | :19:13. | :19:18. | |
about the state of the British economy and the truly colossal | :19:18. | :19:25. | |
failure of the Chancellor's plan. Mr Speaker, let us be clear what | :19:25. | :19:29. | |
the OBR has told us today. The Chancellor couldn't quite bring | :19:29. | :19:36. | |
himself to say it himself. Growth flat lining down this year, next | :19:36. | :19:42. | |
year and the year after, unemployment rising, well over �100 | :19:43. | :19:48. | |
billion more during than the Chancellor planned a year ago. More | :19:49. | :19:54. | |
during than the plan which the Chancellor inherited at the last | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
general election, Mr Speaker. And as a result, his economic and | :20:00. | :20:07. | |
fiscal strategy is in tatters. After 18 months in office, the | :20:07. | :20:13. | |
verdict is in: plan A has failed and it has failed close ally, with | :20:13. | :20:19. | |
prices rising, with unemployment soaring, families, pensioners and | :20:19. | :20:23. | |
businesses already know it is hurting. And with billions more in | :20:23. | :20:27. | |
borrowing to pay for rising unemployment, today we find out the | :20:27. | :20:33. | |
truth. It is just not working. Mr Speaker, the Prime Minister likes | :20:33. | :20:39. | |
to say you can't borrow your way out of a crisis. Can the Chancellor | :20:39. | :20:47. | |
confirm that is exactly what he has been forced to do? Higher during to | :20:47. | :20:50. | |
pay for the criess in growth and jobs in Britain, the higher | :20:50. | :20:55. | |
unemployment and the higher benefits bill that his failing plan | :20:55. | :20:59. | |
has delivered. Mr Speaker, the Chancellor's out of touch and | :20:59. | :21:05. | |
complacence hubris of a year ago now seems such a distant memory. | :21:05. | :21:10. | |
The Prime Minister boasted Britain was out of the danger zone. The | :21:10. | :21:17. | |
Chancellor claimed the UK was a safe haven. But we though the truth. | :21:17. | :21:25. | |
Cutting too far and too fast has backfired. And every one of the | :21:25. | :21:28. | |
Chancellor's claims of a year ago have completely unravelled. Mr | :21:28. | :21:31. | |
Speaker, it is not as if they weren't warned, including by their | :21:32. | :21:38. | |
coalition colleagues. Before the election, we said, like every | :21:38. | :21:42. | |
country after the global financial crisis, we had to get our deficit | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
down. And that meant tough decisions on tax and spending cuts. | :21:47. | :21:52. | |
The question is not if you do it but how you do it. Which is why we | :21:52. | :21:57. | |
on this side of the House warned if you try and cut spending and raise | :21:57. | :22:03. | |
taxes too far and too fast you risk choking off recovery, pushing up | :22:03. | :22:07. | |
unemployment and borrowing. We said the Chancellor's plan was reckless. | :22:07. | :22:12. | |
He was ripping out the foundations of the House leaving our economy | :22:12. | :22:18. | |
not safe but badly exposed to the growing storm. Let me remind the | :22:19. | :22:22. | |
Chancellor what the managing director of the International | :22:22. | :22:27. | |
Monetary Fund warned this summer. She said slamming on the brakes too | :22:27. | :22:32. | |
quickly will hurt the recovery and worsen job prospects. And what has | :22:33. | :22:36. | |
happened? Consumer and business confidence has slumped in the last | :22:36. | :22:41. | |
year. Our recovery was choked off over a year ago. Since last year, | :22:41. | :22:47. | |
slower growth than any other G7 country, than Japan. And they had | :22:47. | :22:51. | |
an earthquake, Mr Speaker. Unemployment at a 17-year high. | :22:51. | :22:55. | |
Over 1 million young people out of work. And today the news that | :22:55. | :23:00. | |
growth this year will in the be the 2.3% the Chancellor so confidently | :23:00. | :23:06. | |
predicted in the June Budget this year, but just 0.9%. And growth | :23:06. | :23:11. | |
lower next year than this year, Mr Speaker, and lower than forecast in | :23:11. | :23:16. | |
the year after. The fourth time the OBR has downgraded his growth | :23:16. | :23:24. | |
forecasts in just 18 months. Mr Speaker, now today we learn that | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
even judged by the one objective this Chancellor set himself - to | :23:28. | :23:33. | |
get the deficit down - he is failing. Because with lower growth | :23:33. | :23:39. | |
and rising unemployment, pushing up the cost of failure, can the | :23:39. | :23:46. | |
Chancellor confirm that compared to his Autumn Statement a year ago | :23:46. | :23:53. | |
borrowing is now not set to be the 46th billion pounds more than they | :23:53. | :23:58. | |
said it would be in March? Can he confirm, compared to his plans of a | :23:58. | :24:05. | |
year ago he is now going to borrow a staggering �158 billion more in | :24:05. | :24:13. | |
borrowing? Higher borrowing than he promised a year ago. �158 billion | :24:13. | :24:19. | |
more in borrowing. And can he also confirm, despite the pain of the | :24:19. | :24:24. | |
�40 billion of extra spending cuts and tax rises, the Chancellor | :24:24. | :24:29. | |
boasted about a year ago, can he confirm that compared to the plan | :24:29. | :24:33. | |
he inherited from the previous Government at the last election, | :24:33. | :24:39. | |
and commitment is higher, can he confirm that he is going to be | :24:39. | :24:43. | |
during more at the end of this Parliament than the balanced plan | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
he inherited from the Labour Government, Mr Speaker? That's a | :24:47. | :24:57. | |
fact. Mr Speaker, a year ago, the Prime Minister told the CBI in five | :24:57. | :25:04. | |
years' time we will have balanced the books. Not some kind of dodgy | :25:04. | :25:08. | |
rolling target but a clear commitment to eliminate the deficit | :25:08. | :25:15. | |
by 2015. Can the Chancellor tell the House, will he meet his fiscal | :25:15. | :25:21. | |
mandate to eliminate the structural deficit by 2015? Isn't the truth Mr | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
Speaker, with unemployment up, and borrowing up, going further and | :25:25. | :25:29. | |
faster has been utterly counter predictive and self defeating? It | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
has backfired. We've had all of the pain and none of the gain, Mr | :25:34. | :25:39. | |
Speaker. I have to say, these OBR forecasts show the Chancellor's | :25:39. | :25:45. | |
entire economic and fiscal strategy is now in complete disarray. And | :25:45. | :25:51. | |
yet all we get are excuses. Blaming anyone and anything, the Labour | :25:51. | :25:55. | |
Government, the snow, the Royal Wedding, the Japanese earthquake, | :25:55. | :26:04. | |
higher inflation, VAT, the eurozone, low-paid dinner ladies and teaching | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
assistants. Anybody but himself, Mr Speaker. When it is the Chancellor | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
that is to blame, it is his failing plan that has pushed up | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
unemployment and pushed up borrowing. It is his reckless | :26:18. | :26:25. | |
gamble that has made things worse in Britain, not better, Mr Speaker. | :26:25. | :26:30. | |
Of course, if eurozone countries continue to fail to sort out their | :26:30. | :26:35. | |
problems it will have an impact here. But Britain's economic | :26:35. | :26:41. | |
recovery was choked off a year ago, before the euro crisis. Look at the | :26:41. | :26:48. | |
OBR forecast. They've downgrade growth in Britain this year they've | :26:48. | :26:52. | |
upgraded growth in the euro area. Out of 27 countries in the European | :26:52. | :26:56. | |
Union only Greece, Portugal and Cyprus have grown more slowly than | :26:57. | :27:01. | |
Britain in the last year. Very to say, Mr Speaker, it is not only not | :27:01. | :27:05. | |
too late for the Chancellor to change course. The deepening euro | :27:05. | :27:11. | |
crisis makes it even more important that he sees sense. But instead, he | :27:11. | :27:14. | |
is still clinging to the fantasy that any change of course would | :27:14. | :27:20. | |
make things worse. And he still complains to the illiterate fantasy | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
that low, long-term interest rates in Britain are a sign of enhanced | :27:25. | :27:30. | |
credibility and not as they were in Japan in the 1990s or America today | :27:30. | :27:36. | |
a sign of stagnant growth in our economy. This summer the head of | :27:36. | :27:42. | |
the IMF warned the Chancellor, growth... THE SPEAKER: However long | :27:42. | :27:46. | |
it takes, the situation is very simple, the Shadow Chancellor will | :27:46. | :27:50. | |
be heard. That's all there is to it. Thank you Mr Speaker, they don't | :27:50. | :27:58. | |
like it, but in is the truth, Mr Speaker. This summer, they set up | :27:58. | :28:01. | |
the OBR. Maybe they should listen to their forecasts Mr Speaker. This | :28:01. | :28:07. | |
summer, the head of the IMF warned the Chancellor, growth is necessary | :28:07. | :28:10. | |
for fiscal credibility. But the Chancellor says a change in his | :28:10. | :28:15. | |
plans would lead to a loss of credibility, even as he is forced | :28:15. | :28:19. | |
today to confirm that this growth and during targets are now wildly | :28:19. | :28:24. | |
off track, Mr Speaker. Last month, the IMF advised the Government, and | :28:24. | :28:30. | |
let me quote. If activity were to undershoot current expectations and | :28:30. | :28:36. | |
risk aperiod of stagnation or contraction, countries that face | :28:36. | :28:39. | |
history ically low yields, for example Germany and the UK, should | :28:39. | :28:45. | |
also consider delaying some of their planned consolidation. Mr | :28:45. | :28:49. | |
Speaker, with the world darkening and with today's news that in | :28:49. | :28:52. | |
Britain we are set to see stag understand growth not just this | :28:52. | :28:56. | |
year but next, let me ask the Chancellor. Isn't it now time for | :28:56. | :29:01. | |
him to listen to the IMF? How much worse does it have to get? How many | :29:01. | :29:04. | |
more young people have to lose their jobs? How many more | :29:04. | :29:07. | |
businesses have to go bankrupt? How many more times does Select | :29:07. | :29:13. | |
Committee to come here and downgrade his growth forecasts and | :29:13. | :29:17. | |
upgrade his borrowing forecast. How many more billions in borrow doing | :29:17. | :29:22. | |
we need to pale for failure before this Chancellor finally sees sense? | :29:22. | :29:29. | |
Mr Speaker, these would be difficult times for any Chancellor. | :29:29. | :29:36. | |
But our fear is that, once again, the Chancellor is making a | :29:36. | :29:41. | |
catastrophic error of judgment. He is refusing to learn the lessons of | :29:41. | :29:45. | |
history or economics. He is refusing to shift to a more | :29:45. | :29:50. | |
balanced plan. He got it wrong 18 months ago. He is getting it wrong | :29:50. | :29:55. | |
again today, Mr Speaker. Repeating the mistakes he made last year will | :29:55. | :29:59. | |
only make things worse. Isn't it now time to listen to the IMF, to | :29:59. | :30:04. | |
cut taxes, to have a slower pace of spending reduction. Isn't it time | :30:04. | :30:07. | |
for him to change course before it is too late? What to we have | :30:07. | :30:12. | |
instead, Mr Speaker, a cobbled together package of growth measures | :30:12. | :30:17. | |
which he must know and which the OBR forecast confirms do not | :30:17. | :30:21. | |
address the fundamental problem that his rapid reckless and | :30:21. | :30:27. | |
deflationary plan is choking off recovery and pushing up during. | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
Mr Speaker, we've been here before. This is the third emergency growth | :30:30. | :30:34. | |
package in a year. The last thing our economy needs is yet another | :30:34. | :30:44. | |
:30:44. | :30:44. | ||
Honourable members do not have to take my word for it. Let's look at | :30:44. | :30:50. | |
the OBR's own forecast. Do they think the Chancellor's plans will | :30:50. | :30:56. | |
boost growth? No. They have revised growth down for next year. And in | :30:56. | :31:03. | |
the following year it down from 2.9% to 2.1%. Does the OBR think | :31:03. | :31:08. | |
the Chancellor's plans will cut unemployment? Let me tell the House | :31:08. | :31:15. | |
two things from the OBR forecast which the Chancellor decided not to | :31:15. | :31:21. | |
tell us. Unemployment is not only higher next year than this year, | :31:21. | :31:30. | |
but higher the year after as well. And employment is expected to fall | :31:30. | :31:35. | |
by 100,000 next year, Mr Speaker. We were promised a game changing | :31:35. | :31:39. | |
statement, a great plan that would secure recovery. Instead we have a | :31:39. | :31:42. | |
plan for growth which leads to lower growth and higher | :31:42. | :31:46. | |
unemployment, Mr plan. It is not game changing, it is just more of | :31:46. | :31:54. | |
the same. He has announced a new youth jobs fund. But let me ask him | :31:55. | :31:58. | |
why did he ever abolished the Future Jobs Fund in the first | :31:58. | :32:04. | |
place? They abolished it in their first month in office. The new plan | :32:04. | :32:09. | |
will not be up and running until the middle of next year. He claims | :32:09. | :32:13. | |
to have increased the Bank levy. So why is the cutting taxes on banks | :32:13. | :32:19. | |
this year compared to last year? Down from 3.5 billion last year to | :32:19. | :32:22. | |
2.5 billion this year. Why doesn't he cut of the bonuses and do | :32:22. | :32:28. | |
something proper about youth jobs? He has announced a sensible halt to | :32:29. | :32:34. | |
the fuel duty rise. But can he confirm as a result of last | :32:34. | :32:38. | |
January's VAT rise that motorists are paying three pence per litre | :32:38. | :32:48. | |
more on petrol, Mr Speaker. He has relabel credit easing, but why did | :32:48. | :32:52. | |
you wait so long and why did he put his faith in the Project Merlin | :32:52. | :32:57. | |
deal which has patently failed and as the Bank of England confirms | :32:57. | :33:02. | |
today has seen net business lending fall over the last year? And as for | :33:02. | :33:06. | |
his equally belated decision to set up a new infrastructure fund, this | :33:06. | :33:10. | |
from the same chance or that that abolished the building schools for | :33:10. | :33:19. | |
the future programme. -- the same Chancellor. How much of this new | :33:19. | :33:23. | |
investment has been pre-announced? How much will happen this year and | :33:23. | :33:27. | |
next year? How much of it is actually pre-announced funding for | :33:27. | :33:31. | |
the next spending review after the next general election? Can he | :33:31. | :33:35. | |
confirm that this new of budget infrastructure fund will be subject | :33:35. | :33:40. | |
to a National Audit Office value for money test to make sure that | :33:40. | :33:45. | |
projects are not more expensive for the taxpayer than direct Government | :33:45. | :33:51. | |
borrowing? He has also announced a rebate for energy intensive | :33:51. | :33:53. | |
industries to correct the chaos caused by his botched carbon floor | :33:53. | :34:02. | |
price. He has reinstated just 10% of his plan for housing. As we | :34:02. | :34:07. | |
study the small print, despite all the bluster of the new measures, | :34:07. | :34:10. | |
because this Chancellor is so determined not to break from his | :34:10. | :34:14. | |
failing plan, is once again giving with one hand and taking with the | :34:14. | :34:20. | |
other. How are these new growth measures being paid for by hitting | :34:20. | :34:27. | |
families and savers, Mr Speaker? How much will has cut in tax | :34:27. | :34:35. | |
credits cost a working family on average income? -- will his cut. | :34:35. | :34:38. | |
And is the Chancellor still meeting the Prime Minister's pledged to | :34:38. | :34:47. | |
deliver real term rises in NHS spending this Parliament? Is the | :34:47. | :34:52. | |
Government still hitting women harder than men? Are they still | :34:52. | :34:57. | |
increasing Child poverty and not reducing it? Living he has already | :34:57. | :35:02. | |
cut childcare support by �1.5 billion, busy helping women that | :35:02. | :35:10. | |
want to go to work or is the making it harder? -- is he helping? If we | :35:10. | :35:15. | |
are all in it together, why is it always families, women and children | :35:16. | :35:21. | |
are paying the price? It is clear that the Chancellor's plan is not | :35:21. | :35:25. | |
working. The OBR knows it, the markets know it, the IMF knows it, | :35:26. | :35:35. | |
we know it. So increasingly did the Chancellor's coalition colleagues. | :35:35. | :35:42. | |
His arch-rival the Mayor of London certainly knows it. We know why the | :35:42. | :35:46. | |
Chancellor cannot change course. We know why he cannot accept the IMF's | :35:46. | :35:55. | |
advice. We all know why even as the euro crisis deepens, even as he is | :35:55. | :36:01. | |
borrowing �158 billion more than he planned, this cider political | :36:01. | :36:11. | |
Chancellor will not budge. -- so political. He knows that he has got | :36:11. | :36:15. | |
the economic judgments of this Parliament catastrophically wrong. | :36:15. | :36:19. | |
If after just 18 months, his plan is leading to falling growth, | :36:19. | :36:25. | |
rising unemployment, and �158 billion more in borrowing, the | :36:25. | :36:29. | |
country either needs a new Chancellor or any plan, a balanced | :36:30. | :36:37. | |
and credible plan on jobs, growth and the deficit. We need a real | :36:37. | :36:43. | |
plan for jobs, growth and deficit reduction. Labour's five point plan | :36:43. | :36:47. | |
for jobs, growth and deficit reduction. I have to say, Mr | :36:47. | :36:53. | |
Speaker, protecting our economy, businesses, jobs and family | :36:53. | :36:57. | |
finances is more important than trying to protect a failed economic | :36:57. | :37:02. | |
plant. For his sake, for his party's sake, and in the national | :37:02. | :37:06. | |
interest, the Chancellor needs to change course and he needs to do so | :37:06. | :37:13. | |
now. The Chancellor of the Exchequer. | :37:13. | :37:18. | |
Ed Balls replying to the Chancellor. We are leaving the House of Commons | :37:18. | :37:21. | |
now. If you would like to watch the Autumn Statement debate which now | :37:21. | :37:26. | |
follows, you can do so by watching BBC Parliament or going to the | :37:26. | :37:33. | |
Democracy Live website. Just before we continue with our Budget | :37:33. | :37:37. | |
coverage, there have been dramatic events in Teheran. Dozens of young | :37:37. | :37:42. | |
Iranian men have entered the British embassy building in the | :37:42. | :37:45. | |
Iranian capital, throwing rocks, petrol bombs and burning documents | :37:45. | :37:51. | |
looted from offices. According to Iranian news agencies, British | :37:51. | :37:54. | |
staff are having to flee from the back of the embassy. We will keep | :37:55. | :38:00. | |
you up to date with that as we go on. Back to the Autumn Statement. | :38:00. | :38:05. | |
Was it an Autumn Statement or a miniature Budget? Was it a full- | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
blown Budget? The second this year. It sounded like that, as he went | :38:09. | :38:12. | |
through his announcements were lower growth and more borrowing | :38:12. | :38:17. | |
than he had planned and more public spending cuts to come even after | :38:17. | :38:22. | |
the next election. And also tide continued control of public sector | :38:22. | :38:32. | |
:38:32. | :38:33. | ||
pay. -- tight, continued control. It was a very busy statement indeed. | :38:33. | :38:39. | |
Economic growth, bringing down at the debt, and unemployment. He is | :38:39. | :38:44. | |
saying that the economy will grow by less than 1%, 0.9%, this year. | :38:44. | :38:49. | |
It will be even worse in 2012, 0.7. He said there would not be a | :38:49. | :38:53. | |
recession but when growth is that low, it is not far off and for many | :38:53. | :39:01. | |
it will feel like a recession. It begins to pick up, too 0.1% in 2013, | :39:01. | :39:11. | |
:39:11. | :39:12. | ||
2.7% in 2014. -- do 0.1% in 2013. Normally growth is predicted to be | :39:12. | :39:18. | |
about 3% in four years time, so do not take too much notice of that. | :39:18. | :39:21. | |
He then taught about the part of the budget deficit which does not | :39:21. | :39:26. | |
go away with economic growth, which has now increased. It will take | :39:26. | :39:31. | |
longer to get that down. Let's move on now to what follows from that, | :39:31. | :39:36. | |
the borrowing forecast as a result of lower growth. He is now going to | :39:36. | :39:44. | |
borrow in this current financial year of �127 billion. That is about | :39:44. | :39:48. | |
five more than he had anticipated in the next budget. Next year it | :39:48. | :39:58. | |
:39:58. | :40:00. | ||
goes down but not by much. By 2014- 15 it is down to 79 billion. Even | :40:00. | :40:06. | |
by 2015, these are new figures, 53 billion is still being borrowed. By | :40:06. | :40:10. | |
my quick calculation, by this financial year and the financial | :40:10. | :40:17. | |
year ending in 2016, the Chancellor will be borrowing �101 billion more | :40:17. | :40:23. | |
than he had planned, even in the March Budget. The Government debt | :40:23. | :40:31. | |
as a percentage of our GDP is expected to peak in 2014-15 at | :40:31. | :40:37. | |
around 70%. That is the way the British Government measures it. Lot | :40:37. | :40:41. | |
of announcements about infrastructure spending, as we had | :40:41. | :40:45. | |
expected in this Autumn Statement Budget. The Chancellor confirmed | :40:45. | :40:49. | |
there would be �5 billion of additional public spending on | :40:49. | :40:52. | |
infrastructure over the next three years. He rattled off a host of | :40:52. | :40:59. | |
things, new roads, the Trans Pennine railway, railway schemes, | :40:59. | :41:03. | |
35 of which have been given the go- ahead. There would be �1.2 billion | :41:03. | :41:07. | |
of additional public money for school building. This is not | :41:07. | :41:11. | |
additional spending. He has found money from elsewhere in the | :41:11. | :41:17. | |
Government's massive budget and moved it from current spending into | :41:17. | :41:26. | |
infrastructure. There is also relief in terms of transport. The | :41:26. | :41:28. | |
3p feel duty increase planned for January this coming year was | :41:28. | :41:33. | |
cancelled. He has said that the increase will go ahead in August, | :41:33. | :41:40. | |
2012, but he might change his mind in the March November -- March | :41:40. | :41:50. | |
:41:50. | :41:52. | ||
Budget, I suppose. The RPR it will -- rail fares will go up but not by | :41:52. | :41:58. | |
as much as was planned. He will also help small businesses and | :41:58. | :42:06. | |
medium-sized ones. There will be a loan guarantee scheme to give more | :42:06. | :42:09. | |
borrowings to the SME sector. He said he would raise that ceiling if | :42:09. | :42:17. | |
there was a demand. There is a �1 billion business finance | :42:17. | :42:21. | |
partnership for mid-sized companies. And he will continue the labour | :42:21. | :42:24. | |
market deregulation, basically making it easier and cheaper to | :42:24. | :42:29. | |
fire people. More on the business side. �1 billion extra for the | :42:29. | :42:33. | |
regional growth fund. That only covers England, headed by Michael | :42:33. | :42:37. | |
Heseltine. The business rate holiday is extended from October, | :42:37. | :42:44. | |
2012, to April, 2013. That is relief for businesses. And tax | :42:44. | :42:54. | |
:42:54. | :42:55. | ||
relief for investments in small start-up firms. If you put in | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
100,000, it will only cost you 50,000, even if you do not pay tax | :42:59. | :43:04. | |
at that higher rate. Housing is one of the main areas that the | :43:04. | :43:09. | |
Chancellor hopes to get some great back into the economy. He has | :43:09. | :43:12. | |
proposed �400 million to kick-start building projects that already have | :43:12. | :43:16. | |
planning permission but have not started. 300,000 homes have | :43:16. | :43:20. | |
planning permission but they are not being built and this is an | :43:20. | :43:24. | |
attempt to get that going. There is also the mortgage guarantee scheme | :43:24. | :43:27. | |
for first-time buyers, which will make it easier for first-time | :43:27. | :43:33. | |
buyers to get a mortgage for that first leg up onto the property | :43:33. | :43:38. | |
ladder. There will be increased discounts available under the | :43:38. | :43:43. | |
right-to-buy scheme, introduced many years ago by Margaret Thatcher. | :43:43. | :43:47. | |
How do you pay for all of that in the longer term? The Chancellor had | :43:47. | :43:52. | |
some savings to announce, too. The rise in the state pension age has | :43:52. | :44:01. | |
been brought forward to 2026. We will all have to work until 67. And | :44:01. | :44:04. | |
the public sector going on strike tomorrow of course, tough news for | :44:04. | :44:09. | |
them. They know their pay is frozen at the moment and it will only rise | :44:09. | :44:16. | |
by 1% per year after the current pay freeze, which essentially | :44:16. | :44:21. | |
knocks out collective bargaining in the public sector. And elements of | :44:21. | :44:27. | |
the working tax credit will be frozen. That is not all that was in | :44:27. | :44:30. | |
this statement, but it is what we have been able to glean as the main | :44:30. | :44:38. | |
headlines. Nick Robinson, I don't know where to start! This is the | :44:38. | :44:41. | |
statement that George Osborne never wanted to make, which he feared | :44:41. | :44:45. | |
making. It is a statement which is not only totally grimmer for him | :44:45. | :44:50. | |
because he may have to make another one in the March budget which could | :44:50. | :44:56. | |
be even worse. It showed us there is pain today. Tax credits are | :44:56. | :45:00. | |
frozen for many people. There is pain tomorrow. Public sector | :45:00. | :45:04. | |
workers will see that once the pay freezes over in 2012, that they | :45:04. | :45:08. | |
will move not to another freeze but a limit on the total public sector | :45:08. | :45:17. | |
pay bill of 1%. And for anybody over the age of 52, -- under the | :45:17. | :45:22. | |
age of 52, they will have to work until they are 67 to get the state | :45:22. | :45:32. | |
:45:32. | :45:36. | ||
Ed Balls, of course, therefore had the territory to say effectively, | :45:36. | :45:41. | |
"We told you so and you should change course." And yet he is going | :45:41. | :45:45. | |
to borrow a lot more, which is what Ed Balls him to do in the first | :45:45. | :45:51. | |
place. Indeed, as we said with Stephanie before the speech, there | :45:51. | :45:56. | |
is almost a convergence between what Labour was demanding and what | :45:56. | :46:01. | |
Mr Osborne has now been forced to do. There is on the outturn. What I | :46:01. | :46:07. | |
mean by that is Ed Balls would say he wouldn't have started here, as | :46:07. | :46:13. | |
he wouldn't have started to fast and borrowing would will lower. | :46:13. | :46:18. | |
George Osborne would say if you had started where Ed Balls wanted there | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
would have been higher interest rates. So yes they converge but | :46:23. | :46:29. | |
from different routes. One fact for you, a striking one. The OBR, | :46:29. | :46:34. | |
Office for Budget Responsibility, estimate the number of public | :46:34. | :46:37. | |
sector job losses there'll be. The important thing is that the | :46:37. | :46:43. | |
Government have now told us that the spending cuts will go on beyond | :46:43. | :46:53. | |
:46:53. | :46:55. | ||
the election into 2015 16 - to 710,000. Before that they forecast | :46:55. | :47:01. | |
around 400,000 going up to 2016. That's a cumulative total. And at a | :47:01. | :47:06. | |
time when given the growth projections, it is not exactly | :47:06. | :47:12. | |
clear the private sector is going to create another 750,000 jobs. | :47:12. | :47:16. | |
That's the worry. The expectation is that they will, the private | :47:16. | :47:21. | |
sector, take that in later years. But the really striking figure, the | :47:21. | :47:25. | |
economic number, was the big down growth in economic growth to less | :47:25. | :47:32. | |
than 1% for next year. Stephanie, what is striking to me, since the | :47:32. | :47:37. | |
Government has made such a centre of its economic strategy the | :47:37. | :47:40. | |
reduction every year in the amount it hat to borrow, it continues to | :47:40. | :47:50. | |
reduce but it is going to borrow a lot more, by my calculations over | :47:50. | :47:56. | |
�100 billion between this year and the end of 1015-16. Won't that | :47:56. | :48:01. | |
ratle the bond markets a bit? going to be an interesting test | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
isn't it? People were expecting to see higher borrowing numbers. It is | :48:06. | :48:10. | |
interesting to remember that long debate we were all watching that a | :48:10. | :48:13. | |
year-and-a-half ago, the debate over whether Labour's plans were | :48:13. | :48:19. | |
going to command the confidence of the financial markets. The exhibit | :48:19. | :48:24. | |
A from the Osborne side and from the Governor of the Bank of England | :48:24. | :48:27. | |
is you couldn't be credible about reducing a deficit this large and | :48:27. | :48:31. | |
still saying you are going to borrow in the region of �70 billion | :48:31. | :48:36. | |
to �80 billion. The belief was you had to have promised to balance the | :48:36. | :48:39. | |
books over the course of a Parliament, because you couldn't | :48:39. | :48:45. | |
commit future Governments to doing that. The symbolism of that in the | :48:45. | :48:48. | |
new borrowing forecasts quite significant. The world has changed. | :48:48. | :48:51. | |
George Osborne says borrowing would have been even higher under Labour, | :48:51. | :48:58. | |
and I suspect Ed Balls would say something different. And the debate | :48:58. | :49:04. | |
is over whether growth would have been higher with a less austere | :49:04. | :49:07. | |
policy. It is an interesting point about the bond market, because the | :49:07. | :49:11. | |
US for example has the very bad borrowing figures and it is | :49:11. | :49:15. | |
borrowing at a very low rate. It is finding it cheaper to borrow than | :49:15. | :49:18. | |
the UK is. On the other hand if you look at countries borrowing less | :49:18. | :49:21. | |
than news the eurozone, they are having a difficult time, because | :49:21. | :49:23. | |
their governments are note considered to be credible. I | :49:23. | :49:26. | |
suspect we'll hear more about the market reaction and whether or not | :49:26. | :49:29. | |
the low rate of borrowing that the Government has, the low cost that | :49:29. | :49:34. | |
it is paying for its borrowing, is a reflection of cost in the market | :49:34. | :49:39. | |
or is it a reflection that we are not expected to grow very fast and | :49:39. | :49:46. | |
these are worrying times for the global economy. Robert, we had �1 | :49:46. | :49:50. | |
billion here, �1 billion there. In a sense it was budget with the | :49:50. | :49:56. | |
content of Gordon Brown and the delivery of Iain Duncan Smith. | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
harsh, Andrew. It certainly did have a lot of the flavour of the | :50:01. | :50:07. | |
Gordon Brown budgets and pre-Budget statements. George Osborne did say | :50:08. | :50:11. | |
the Autumn Statement was just supposed to be a description of | :50:11. | :50:16. | |
where the economy is going. But we've had loads of the | :50:16. | :50:21. | |
microadjustments of the economy that he used to criticise Gordon | :50:21. | :50:25. | |
Brown for doing every six months. This is very much a meddling mini | :50:25. | :50:29. | |
Budget in that sense. It is important given that Gordon Brown | :50:29. | :50:34. | |
and George Osborne set themselves targets, and therefore one should | :50:34. | :50:38. | |
hold them to account. An interesting paragraph in the Office | :50:38. | :50:41. | |
for Budget Responsibility's report. It says, in the absence of | :50:41. | :50:44. | |
additional policy measure in this the 2011 Autumn Statement, we | :50:44. | :50:49. | |
believe the Government would have had a less than 50% chance of | :50:49. | :50:54. | |
achieving its debt targets. What does that mean? The OBR is saying | :50:55. | :50:59. | |
that George Osborne has flunked the debt targets. It is as close as an | :50:59. | :51:04. | |
organisation ever gets to saying that. It's a significant critique | :51:04. | :51:10. | |
of his earlier Budget. Crucially what the OBR are saying is that | :51:10. | :51:17. | |
unless he transferred from date spending -- day-to-day spending to | :51:17. | :51:21. | |
capital infrastructure, he would have breached his own targets. One | :51:21. | :51:26. | |
of those involves dealing with current spending. So switching from | :51:26. | :51:30. | |
one heading to another heading made the difference of whether George | :51:30. | :51:37. | |
Osborne had the human imiation of saying I missed my -- humiliation | :51:38. | :51:42. | |
of saying, "I missed my target.". To be clear, in terms of this | :51:42. | :51:47. | |
difficult judgment he has to make about whether or not to press ahead | :51:47. | :51:54. | |
with deficit reduction, some trougling news out of America, -- | :51:54. | :51:58. | |
troubling news out of America. Fitch is reviewing whether to | :51:58. | :52:03. | |
downgrade the US from AAA. The Chancellor will say look, if I | :52:03. | :52:08. | |
weren't taking this tough action there's a risk we would lose our | :52:08. | :52:13. | |
AAA and borrowing costs would go up significantly. We've been | :52:13. | :52:16. | |
struggling to get hold of copies of the budget book. The numbers we | :52:16. | :52:24. | |
need to compare is the �22 whole in interest he says he is saving by | :52:24. | :52:28. | |
being austere with the increase in unemployment benefit payments. | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
Politically that will be terribly important. Most people would say | :52:32. | :52:41. | |
those are payments for failure. had a lot of these rail programmes, | :52:41. | :52:46. | |
roads wide ened, and this phrase from America, shovel-ready. When | :52:46. | :52:52. | |
you speak to business people is there such a thing as a shovel- | :52:52. | :52:57. | |
ready job? It takes weeks and months from giving aproful for | :52:57. | :53:04. | |
these things to happen in terms of people being employed and money go | :53:04. | :53:11. | |
into the economy. Business leaders all take the view the best way, if | :53:11. | :53:15. | |
the Government is going to do anything to stimulate growth, is | :53:15. | :53:18. | |
indeed to spend on infrastructure. Within the business community and | :53:18. | :53:21. | |
the City, if they are looking at measures to stimulate growth, what | :53:21. | :53:24. | |
he is doing in terms of infrastructure will receive a | :53:24. | :53:28. | |
degree of enthusiastic support. We'll be back to you three a lot | :53:28. | :53:32. | |
more to talk about yet. We are on until 3 o'clock. We've got plenty | :53:32. | :53:36. | |
to cover in what was a packed Autumn Statement. If you want to | :53:36. | :53:42. | |
comment on the Chancellor's statement you can do so by going to | :53:42. | :53:45. | |
bbc.co.uk/news and click on Have Your Say. | :53:45. | :53:55. | |
:53:55. | :53:57. | ||
Or if you are tweeting, use the # - @bbceconomy Jon Sopel is outside | :53:57. | :54:04. | |
Parliament. He is going to gather political reaction to this | :54:04. | :54:09. | |
statement. I'm joined by Lord Ashdown, Alistair Darling, the | :54:09. | :54:12. | |
former Chancellor and Michael Fallon of the Conservative Party. | :54:12. | :54:19. | |
Michael Fallon, growth down, borrowing up. Retirement age going | :54:19. | :54:24. | |
up and a public sector cap on pay. Is there anything to be cheerful | :54:24. | :54:27. | |
about? Yes, I think what the Chancellor reassured us about was | :54:27. | :54:31. | |
he is still sheltering Britain from this storm that's engulfing the | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
rest of Europe, that he is doing his best to help families through | :54:35. | :54:40. | |
it at a time of rising prices and we are still on course to meet our | :54:40. | :54:46. | |
deficit reduction plan, just beyond the end of this Parliament we will | :54:46. | :54:50. | |
have got rid of the structural deficit. But borrowing a huge | :54:50. | :54:56. | |
amount of money. Everybody knows we had much higher inflation than was | :54:56. | :55:02. | |
anticipated. There is the slowdown in the eurozone. But overall we are | :55:02. | :55:07. | |
still going to meet our targets, our main date and get our deficit | :55:07. | :55:11. | |
back under controlling. Which is what they inherited from you. Night | :55:11. | :55:17. | |
looks like the struful deficits will disappear about the plan we | :55:17. | :55:22. | |
planned -- structural deficits. The growth forecast that the Chancellor | :55:22. | :55:26. | |
made in his budget in the summer of last year has completely fallen | :55:26. | :55:30. | |
away. We are talking about growth now having died at the end of last | :55:30. | :55:34. | |
year. It is going to flat line for another two or three years. There | :55:34. | :55:37. | |
is not a shred of evidence to suggest why it is going to recover | :55:37. | :55:40. | |
the year after. We are borrowing more, not less,s which is the one | :55:41. | :55:45. | |
thing the Government said it was going to balance the books by 2015. | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
Clearly it is not now. But isn't the reason for that nothing to do | :55:50. | :55:54. | |
with this Government but is to do with the eurozone itself? All of | :55:54. | :55:59. | |
this happened after the crisis became acute in this eurozone. The | :55:59. | :56:05. | |
economy grew in 2009 until the autumn of 2010, then it stopped. Of | :56:05. | :56:08. | |
course the eurozone crisis is going to make things very difficult for | :56:08. | :56:12. | |
us. Many of us have been saying for months now that unless it is sorted | :56:12. | :56:19. | |
out it really will have a very profound effect on us. But to blame | :56:19. | :56:23. | |
everything on the last Government's spending when the Government | :56:23. | :56:28. | |
supported that spending up until 2008 and on Europe is getting | :56:29. | :56:32. | |
disingenuous. A judgment was made on George Osborne 12 months ago | :56:32. | :56:34. | |
that. Judgment is way off course now. We are borrowing much more | :56:34. | :56:38. | |
than they intended to, which is completely against everything he | :56:38. | :56:41. | |
said only last summer. Paddy Ashdown, pick up on that. It is not | :56:41. | :56:47. | |
true. We all know the euro crisis started much, much earlier. You | :56:47. | :56:51. | |
asked what there was to be cheerful about. Thanks to Labour, we are now | :56:51. | :56:57. | |
running a bigger debt as a percentage of GDP than the Italians. | :56:58. | :57:01. | |
That's what the inheritance left behind. And we are paying interest | :57:01. | :57:05. | |
rates lower than the Germans. Why? Because the country and the markets | :57:05. | :57:08. | |
are convinced we are serious about cutting the deficit. Labour's | :57:08. | :57:11. | |
answer to a crisis created by borrowing is to borrow even more. | :57:11. | :57:18. | |
said that the Chancellor has had to borrow more than they thought he | :57:18. | :57:24. | |
would But Labour's answer is to borrow even more. It is un sporable. | :57:24. | :57:28. | |
If there is one thing the country should be grateful for is it | :57:28. | :57:31. | |
doesn't have a Labour Government still in power which would be | :57:31. | :57:41. | |
:57:41. | :57:45. | ||
damaging more -- borrowing more and damaging hospitals. ALL TALK AT | :57:45. | :57:50. | |
ONCE Your party supported us until right up into the election. Unless | :57:50. | :57:53. | |
you get growth you can't get the borrowing down. Did you welcome | :57:53. | :57:57. | |
what was announced in terms of the infrastructure projects? Die, but | :57:57. | :58:02. | |
with the proviso that many of these things were announced I think you | :58:02. | :58:08. | |
will find by successive Governments. It takes a long time to get these | :58:08. | :58:11. | |
going. I welcome them but the present Government will have to | :58:11. | :58:15. | |
change the planning laws, or you won't see the new roads and the | :58:15. | :58:18. | |
investment which is welcome. A word of caution. It is very frustrating | :58:18. | :58:22. | |
but it takes a long time to see these things on the ground. We are | :58:22. | :58:26. | |
changing the planning laws, but there was a huge package of | :58:26. | :58:30. | |
infrastructure measures to bring forward spending, to help growth, | :58:30. | :58:34. | |
on roads on railways, on school building with. All those things, | :58:34. | :58:38. | |
which are good for construction, but also good for regions outside | :58:38. | :58:41. | |
the South East. There was also a package of measures to help | :58:41. | :58:45. | |
families through this era of rising prices from, for example freezing | :58:45. | :58:50. | |
the council tax again, stopping the increase in fuel duty which he | :58:50. | :58:54. | |
pence ild in year after year. And helping rate commuters, which is | :58:54. | :58:59. | |
important here in London and the South East. There was good finger | :58:59. | :59:08. | |
pointing there from Michael Fallon. ALL TALK AT ONCE Every Chancellor | :59:08. | :59:13. | |
has to reach a judgment on fuel dutyy, on taxes and so on. | :59:13. | :59:16. | |
Understandably George Osborne has said with the prices they are at | :59:16. | :59:20. | |
the moment he wanted to do something there. You support it? | :59:20. | :59:24. | |
course I support something that reduces the burden. If you look at | :59:24. | :59:28. | |
the squeeze on tax credits, if you look at the squeeze on people's | :59:28. | :59:30. | |
incomes I think most people watching this programme, most | :59:30. | :59:33. | |
people reading the papers tomorrow morning, will find their incomes | :59:34. | :59:37. | |
are going to continue to be squeezed with. Unemployment is | :59:37. | :59:42. | |
likely to be up. Employment is likely to go down, according to the | :59:42. | :59:45. | |
Office for Budget Responsibility. We are in for a grim time but it is | :59:45. | :59:48. | |
exacerbated by the bad decisions taken by this Government at the | :59:48. | :59:52. | |
start. Let me let the new Conservative | :59:52. | :59:57. | |
speak. We supported their spending cuts but why don't they now support | :59:57. | :00:03. | |
them? Here is the bottom line. support what I proposed. Hang on a | :00:03. | :00:10. | |
second. For every �18 the coalition is cutting in public expenditure | :00:10. | :00:14. | |
his plan is to cut �17. We understand the cuts that have to be | :00:14. | :00:18. | |
made. Labour is in a position of self denial over their own Budget | :00:18. | :00:23. | |
cutting. The differences that you parade are | :00:23. | :00:29. | |
exaggerated. That there isn't a huge difference in policy. Oh, Jon, | :00:29. | :00:33. | |
come on. If we risk by 0.5 a percentage point the interest rates | :00:33. | :00:38. | |
we are now enjoying having to pay back the debt they left behind, | :00:38. | :00:45. | |
kite cost you �5 billion, not the schools, hospitals and pensions but | :00:45. | :00:55. | |
:00:55. | :01:01. | ||
Here's another big difference. They would increase the VAT, I'm not | :01:01. | :01:06. | |
sure Alistair supports that. Let's ask him. There's lots of people, | :01:06. | :01:11. | |
not just within the Labour Party, saying we need to boost demand, | :01:11. | :01:14. | |
demand is suppressed at the moment. Everyone agrees that the deficit | :01:14. | :01:19. | |
has to be brought down. I made that clear prior to the last election, | :01:19. | :01:23. | |
I've never changed my view on that, but we've got to do it in a way | :01:23. | :01:29. | |
that actually works. All I would say is George Osborne has had to | :01:29. | :01:35. | |
sit down conceding that he's borrowing �150 billion more than | :01:35. | :01:41. | |
what he said. You'd borrow even more. I have to call stumps. This | :01:41. | :01:47. | |
argument will continue. Back to the studio. A couple of headlines as we | :01:47. | :01:52. | |
go through this detailed paperwork. The UK Office for Budget | :01:52. | :01:56. | |
Responsibility has raised its estimate of public sector job | :01:56. | :02:03. | |
losses from 400,000 to 710,000. That's not far off a 100% increase | :02:03. | :02:09. | |
in its estimate. That's a lot. And also UK net debt, this is what we | :02:09. | :02:19. | |
:02:19. | :02:20. | ||
used to call the national debt, by 2015/16 will now be �1.47 billion - | :02:20. | :02:30. | |
:02:30. | :02:36. | ||
sorry � 1 47 billion. Call it �1.5 trillion. That will be our national | :02:36. | :02:41. | |
debt and that's 11 billion more, 8% more than the Chancellor forecast | :02:41. | :02:47. | |
only back in March. That's a lot of debt. And a lot of an increase. Now, | :02:47. | :02:51. | |
one of the Chancellor's key measures, of course, was that he | :02:51. | :02:57. | |
would stay on course for deficit reduction. He wants to show the | :02:57. | :03:02. | |
suspensionial money markets he's still sticking to plan A. But | :03:02. | :03:08. | |
although borrowing continues to fall it is at a much slower rate | :03:08. | :03:13. | |
and we're racking up debt. What does the City think of that. Back | :03:13. | :03:17. | |
to Maryam. A bit of a muted response from the | :03:17. | :03:21. | |
City. Largely to do with the fact that a lot of the measures were | :03:21. | :03:28. | |
announced over the last few days. Let's look at the markets. That is | :03:28. | :03:37. | |
what the FTSE has been doing. A little sell-off ones people started | :03:37. | :03:43. | |
digesting the figures. Earlier today we saw a drop in guilts. A | :03:43. | :03:46. | |
sign that the markets were convinced by the Chancellor's | :03:46. | :03:52. | |
arguments. But now they have risen back up more to do with the high | :03:52. | :03:59. | |
yields on Italian bonds. Let's bring in Louise Cooper from BCG | :03:59. | :04:03. | |
partners. Are you happy with what the Chancellor had to say today? | :04:03. | :04:09. | |
was always quite restricted on what he could announce today because | :04:09. | :04:14. | |
he's in coalition with the liberal democrats, so politically he's | :04:14. | :04:19. | |
constrained and financialcally he's constrained and we knew the figures | :04:19. | :04:24. | |
would be downgrated and that means the situation is far worse. A lot | :04:24. | :04:30. | |
of it was preannounced. There was a few extra bells and whistles in the | :04:30. | :04:34. | |
statement but really it's not a huge surprise and you can see that | :04:34. | :04:38. | |
by the financial reaction. And Jane, the important things you wanted to | :04:38. | :04:43. | |
see was the Chancellor sticking to his austerity plans but coming up | :04:43. | :04:48. | |
with fresh ideas for growth. Has he delivered? There were a few little | :04:48. | :04:53. | |
bits and pieces with respect to consumption on the margin, but | :04:53. | :04:57. | |
really this was about austerity as far as the City is concerned. And | :04:57. | :05:01. | |
you can see that from the guilts market. But we need to put this in | :05:01. | :05:05. | |
context and the context is out of the eurozone debt crisis and the | :05:05. | :05:10. | |
Chancellor therefore needed to reassure the markets that he wasn't | :05:10. | :05:18. | |
going to out step those austerity announcements he'd already | :05:18. | :05:21. | |
announced and from the point of view of the international markets | :05:21. | :05:25. | |
that really is the whole point. I suppose the muted reaction from | :05:25. | :05:31. | |
the City has a lot to be said for it, but the City does realise that | :05:31. | :05:36. | |
coming up in the coming weeks and months it is darkening prospects | :05:36. | :05:39. | |
for both business and finance. And that is one thing they can take | :05:39. | :05:46. | |
from today's statement. Thanks, we'll see how long it stays | :05:46. | :05:56. | |
muted. You're watching the BBC's special coverage of George | :05:56. | :06:01. | |
Osborne's Autumn Statement This is what he had to say. He forecast | :06:01. | :06:11. | |
:06:11. | :06:11. | ||
growth of 0.9%. The Government expects to borrow �11 billion more | :06:11. | :06:18. | |
over the next five years, taking total borrowing to not much shy of | :06:18. | :06:21. | |
�1.5 trillion. Government debt as a percentage of | :06:21. | :06:26. | |
our national wealth is reckoned to peak at 2014/156789 | :06:26. | :06:31. | |
Let's look at some of the costly bits of the statement to the | :06:31. | :06:36. | |
Treasury. The duty fuel increase of 3p has been cancelled. That was due | :06:36. | :06:44. | |
in January. There will be an additional �5 billion spending on | :06:44. | :06:49. | |
infrastructure. That's searching down every sofa in Whitehall to see | :06:49. | :06:54. | |
if there is any loose change. And tax relief for small start-up | :06:54. | :06:58. | |
firms. The state pension age is going to | :06:58. | :07:04. | |
go to 67, as it always was, now earlier, 2026. The public sector, | :07:04. | :07:09. | |
which over a certain level of income is now enduring a pay freeze. | :07:09. | :07:15. | |
When that's over, well, they can look forward to no more than 1% | :07:15. | :07:19. | |
rise after the freeze is over. And there have been elements of the | :07:19. | :07:24. | |
working tax credit has also been frozen. That's only part of what is | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
in the Budget. I call it a Budget because, in a sense, it is pretty | :07:28. | :07:35. | |
much a Budget. We've been joined by Danny Alexander, the Chief | :07:35. | :07:40. | |
Secretary to the Treasury. Welcome. This forecast for growth of 0.7% | :07:40. | :07:47. | |
next year, which is pretty much close to zero, does that include | :07:47. | :07:51. | |
taking into account all the measures the Chancellor has | :07:51. | :07:57. | |
announced today? Well, the observia forecast takes into account | :07:57. | :08:00. | |
measures that relate to further spending cuts at the end of the | :08:00. | :08:04. | |
period. What they're not able to take into account is the impact on | :08:04. | :08:09. | |
growth of many of the supply reforms we're pushing through. | :08:09. | :08:12. | |
That's something that economic forecasting can't reach. But it | :08:13. | :08:15. | |
certainly takes into account the spending decisions that we've made | :08:15. | :08:20. | |
and the impact. And you're right to say, of course, that is a much | :08:20. | :08:26. | |
lower figure than was forecast previously. It reflects, as the OBR | :08:26. | :08:30. | |
themselves say, the much tougher conditions faced in this country | :08:30. | :08:34. | |
and in the eurozone but is in line very much with growth forecasts for | :08:34. | :08:38. | |
France, Yemeni, Italy, the eurozone and other countries around the | :08:38. | :08:42. | |
world. But even after all this search for measures to boost growth, | :08:42. | :08:52. | |
:08:52. | :08:53. | ||
which be -- we began to hear after your party conference, after all | :08:53. | :08:57. | |
these funds have been reallocated and all the assurance that this was | :08:57. | :09:02. | |
a Government that believed in growth and getting the economy | :09:02. | :09:07. | |
going, but taking all that into accounts the growth is a net effect | :09:07. | :09:13. | |
of 0.7%. Many of the measures announced today, the credit easing, | :09:13. | :09:16. | |
the investment in infrastructure and the youth jobs scheme, all | :09:16. | :09:20. | |
these things, the effect will be felt not just next year but in | :09:20. | :09:25. | |
future years as well. The effect of additional infrastructure spending | :09:25. | :09:30. | |
will support the economy for a very long time to come. But you must be | :09:30. | :09:34. | |
disappointed that that is all they're producing, surely? You were | :09:34. | :09:40. | |
meant to deliver a Budget for growth and all we get is 0.7%, and | :09:40. | :09:50. | |
:09:50. | :09:50. | ||
if we're lucky, a big if, 2% next year. You'll find a welcome for the | :09:50. | :09:53. | |
investment in infrastructure and the finance packages and many other | :09:53. | :09:56. | |
things there that will support growth, particularly in the medium- | :09:56. | :10:02. | |
term. One of the things the OBR has done today, as well as telling us | :10:02. | :10:07. | |
about the problems in the eurozone and the high commodity price, | :10:07. | :10:12. | |
they've said that the economy as a whole is smaller and that's why | :10:12. | :10:16. | |
these sorts of supply side reforms are important to lift the economy | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
potential over the long-term. understand that, but whatever way | :10:20. | :10:24. | |
you cut it and even after all that has been announced today, the blunt | :10:24. | :10:29. | |
truth is that we are staring austerity in the face for the | :10:29. | :10:32. | |
foreseeable future? It is definitely true that we are facing | :10:32. | :10:36. | |
much slower growth. We're facing very tough conditions and we've | :10:36. | :10:41. | |
made very clear today, by setting out our spending plans for the two | :10:41. | :10:45. | |
years of the next Parliament, that, if you like, the pattern of | :10:45. | :10:49. | |
spending reductions and fiscal consolidation we've seen in this | :10:49. | :10:55. | |
Parliament will roll on for two years in order to mike sure we meet | :10:55. | :10:59. | |
our objectives. It's austerity. Particularly if you're in the | :10:59. | :11:04. | |
public sector. It's austerity? is further spending constraint. We | :11:04. | :11:11. | |
haven't set out what mix of policies we'll use in 2050/16/17. | :11:11. | :11:18. | |
But it is right to say this country will be facing further fiscal | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
consolidation and austerity for two further years in order to make sure | :11:21. | :11:25. | |
we deal with the enormous financial problems we face as a country. But | :11:25. | :11:30. | |
it is important to say this is delivering real benefits to Britain | :11:30. | :11:34. | |
in terms of the low interest rates and we're avoiding many of the | :11:34. | :11:37. | |
problems people see on the television screens every single day | :11:37. | :11:41. | |
from Italy and Spain and many of our other competitors. But when the | :11:41. | :11:46. | |
Chancellor, your boss, told us last year, "Britain's economic row | :11:46. | :11:51. | |
coverry is on track" that wasn't true? Was it? Well, one of the | :11:51. | :11:56. | |
reasons, Andrew, why we set up in the first place the independent | :11:56. | :12:01. | |
Office for Budget Responsibility was precisely because - hold on, | :12:01. | :12:05. | |
let me answer the question, because we wanted those forecasts to be in | :12:05. | :12:10. | |
independent hands rather than the hands of ministers. So you have the | :12:10. | :12:15. | |
OBR's forecast of last June....He Said this in the Autumn Statement | :12:15. | :12:20. | |
last year, just a year ago,, "Britain's economic recovery is now | :12:20. | :12:26. | |
on track." And I simply ask you, that wasn't true, was it? There are | :12:26. | :12:31. | |
big factors going on in the economy that are affecting our ability to | :12:31. | :12:35. | |
grow. High commodity prices, oil prices have increased by 40% over | :12:35. | :12:40. | |
the last year, that slows growth. Like wise the problems in the | :12:40. | :12:45. | |
eurozone, in our major competitors, that is having both an effect on | :12:45. | :12:50. | |
our growth potential but as the on yar say in their report, the | :12:50. | :12:54. | |
eurozone countries still need to sort out those problems otherwise | :12:54. | :13:00. | |
we won't get the growth this country needs. The on yar gives you | :13:00. | :13:05. | |
a smoke screen. It's not a smoke screen because we have independent | :13:05. | :13:09. | |
figures for the first time. I'm not saying the Chancellor lied last | :13:09. | :13:16. | |
autumn I'm just saying he turned out, whether it was the on yar or | :13:16. | :13:25. | |
Uncle Tom Cobbley. What I'm saying now is, is it true? What true? | :13:25. | :13:30. | |
the British economy is on track? have a plan to make our economy | :13:30. | :13:33. | |
stronger. This Autumn Statement was about two things, about protecting | :13:33. | :13:38. | |
our country from the huge risks that have grown substantially from | :13:38. | :13:42. | |
the other economies and making our economy stronger. We have the on | :13:42. | :13:47. | |
yar's best efforts to work out growth forecast for the coming | :13:47. | :13:51. | |
years and I accept those forecasts and they are much less, you're | :13:51. | :13:55. | |
right to say than they forecast previously. But is the British | :13:55. | :14:01. | |
economy on track for recovery now? The British economy is on track to | :14:01. | :14:04. | |
deal with our deficit and grow in the future. So what we have is a | :14:04. | :14:08. | |
forecast, which is very difficult this year, it's very difficult next | :14:08. | :14:12. | |
year and growth picks up in the following year, so yes, we're on | :14:13. | :14:18. | |
track to pick up in the following years. You've announced a lot on | :14:18. | :14:24. | |
spending and shovel-ready jobs, and roads here and rail here, and all | :14:24. | :14:34. | |
:14:34. | :14:34. | ||
the rest of it, are we all Dickensians now? I would not accuse | :14:34. | :14:42. | |
you of that now. I would say what we recognise as a Government, both | :14:42. | :14:47. | |
liberal democrats and Conservatives is one of the things that has eld | :14:47. | :14:50. | |
us back in recent years is the quality of our infrastructure. We | :14:51. | :14:55. | |
are 28th in the world. That is simply not good enough for a | :14:55. | :15:00. | |
country like the yubgdz. That's why investment in road and rails is the | :15:00. | :15:05. | |
sort of thing we need to be doing in this country. It's perfectly | :15:05. | :15:11. | |
clear that you've brought into the argument a bit more job ceection | :15:11. | :15:21. | |
:15:21. | :15:26. | ||
and infrastructure is valuable at stage. How confident are you? | :15:26. | :15:30. | |
confident that the OBR forecast is the best estimate we have for what | :15:31. | :15:37. | |
is happening to the economy next year. I can't sit here telling you | :15:37. | :15:42. | |
we will definitely a void the eurozone circumstances, because | :15:42. | :15:47. | |
there is so much uncertainty in the economy. But the OBR's forecast is | :15:47. | :15:52. | |
the best estimate we have. And what I am certain of is the measures the | :15:52. | :15:57. | |
Government has taken in terms of investing and getting the new-build | :15:57. | :16:01. | |
housing sector going will help build the economy in the year to | :16:02. | :16:09. | |
come. Nick. Lots of people will be worried about tax credits. Have you | :16:09. | :16:16. | |
made an estimate of what it will cost in those circumstances? | :16:16. | :16:20. | |
give a big inflation-linked increase to people out of work, but | :16:20. | :16:25. | |
those people in work but struggling, you freeze their benefits? So we | :16:25. | :16:32. | |
are spending overall, this coming year, �8.3 billion on the uprating | :16:32. | :16:37. | |
of benefits this year. That is more than forecast when we originally | :16:37. | :16:41. | |
made those decisions. We've focused on protecting the poorest people in | :16:41. | :16:45. | |
the country, those on out of work benefits and children through the | :16:45. | :16:53. | |
child tax credit. People on working tax credit will principally benefit | :16:53. | :17:03. | |
:17:03. | :17:04. | ||
from this. This is an e-mail from a viewer Patricia says, "Why should | :17:04. | :17:10. | |
people out of work be given a 5.2% pay rise? My husband works full | :17:10. | :17:14. | |
time and he hasn't had a penny pay rise in four years." What do you | :17:14. | :17:20. | |
say to her? I'd say benefits have always been uprated by inflation. | :17:21. | :17:26. | |
That, almost every single year falls behind earnings, which is the | :17:26. | :17:31. | |
other measure we could have used. We want to make sure that the | :17:31. | :17:36. | |
lowest incomes, people who have lost their jobs and working hard to | :17:36. | :17:43. | |
get back into work are protected through this. But if you were...but | :17:43. | :17:48. | |
if you don't work you get 5%. people on the tax credit by and | :17:48. | :17:55. | |
large will be recipients of other credits, 80% will be receiving | :17:55. | :17:59. | |
child credits and housing benefits which are upgraded in the normal | :17:59. | :18:03. | |
way. This seems to me to be the best way to control costs whilst | :18:03. | :18:07. | |
having a group, yes, it's tough. I recognise it's a tough decision, | :18:07. | :18:12. | |
but through other things we're doing we're also helping those | :18:12. | :18:16. | |
people too. Can I ask about the fiscal rules and the importance of | :18:16. | :18:20. | |
sticking to them. We've heard the Chancellor talking about touting | :18:20. | :18:24. | |
the flexibility of the rules, but it is crucial for the markets to be | :18:24. | :18:29. | |
seen to be meeting the rules. And the second rule is that debt has to | :18:29. | :18:37. | |
fall as a share of GDP and the new forecasts show that happening, but | :18:37. | :18:42. | |
it is minuscule it goes to 7.7% of GDP. The Chancellor himself said | :18:42. | :18:46. | |
the forecasts will be worse if there is a recession in the | :18:46. | :18:49. | |
eurozone. Many people think there is already a recession in the | :18:50. | :18:54. | |
eurozone and he's behind the times. In six months's time, when he has | :18:54. | :18:59. | |
to stand up with the Budget are you going to announce tough spending | :18:59. | :19:04. | |
cuts? We do attach very great importance to sticking to the | :19:04. | :19:07. | |
fiscal rules we've set out last you're quite right to say the debt | :19:07. | :19:13. | |
target is to have debt falling by the year '50/16. What we've | :19:13. | :19:23. | |
:19:23. | :19:25. | ||
announced today is tougher spending in the year '50/16 and '16/17 to | :19:25. | :19:30. | |
make sure we get it under control. The goal for debt is a path, as you | :19:30. | :19:36. | |
say, rather than a level. We need to get debt coming down. We have to | :19:36. | :19:46. | |
:19:46. | :19:47. | ||
leave it there. We'll let you get back to preparing | :19:47. | :19:51. | |
these contingency plans for the eurozone meltdown. Thank you. | :19:51. | :19:54. | |
has the Chancellor's statement gone down with business people, | :19:54. | :20:00. | |
particularly in Merseyside? That's where we are. Our reporter, Judith | :20:00. | :20:06. | |
Moritz is at the Cammell Laird shipyard. Yes, I am. I have the | :20:06. | :20:10. | |
protective glasses on because we're inside the apprentices' school here. | :20:10. | :20:17. | |
Some are doing a bit of pipe welding. 85 apprentices on site and | :20:17. | :20:23. | |
many more start. It is a successful story when it comes to-out | :20:23. | :20:26. | |
employment here, the kind the Chancellor would hold up. But how | :20:26. | :20:31. | |
did the announcements go down with business people from this region | :20:31. | :20:41. | |
:20:41. | :20:41. | ||
and beyond. Natalie Hayward from a tea bar in Liverpool. And Max | :20:41. | :20:46. | |
Steinberg. Natalie, we'll talk to you first of all. You own a pretty | :20:46. | :20:51. | |
small business in Liverpool. Did the Chancellor say what you wanted | :20:51. | :20:59. | |
to hear? I think there were a few positive things. We have to see | :20:59. | :21:04. | |
whether businesses will have to jump through hoops to get credits | :21:04. | :21:09. | |
that he's announced. Relaxing regulations in employment law and | :21:09. | :21:14. | |
health and safety is obviously very good for an employer. And capping | :21:14. | :21:20. | |
fuel prices ultimately benefits us all. So that was quite welcome as | :21:20. | :21:25. | |
well. What about the extension on the business rates will that affect | :21:25. | :21:29. | |
you personally? No, one of the things he does need to do is make | :21:29. | :21:32. | |
that applicable to all businesses because I don't benefit from that | :21:32. | :21:36. | |
at all in any way. I know it's obviously good for small businesses | :21:36. | :21:42. | |
but it needs to be applied across the board in my opinion. Liverpool | :21:42. | :21:47. | |
wants to attract investment to this area did you hear what you wanted | :21:47. | :21:51. | |
to? You talk about small businesses, like Natalie's do you think the | :21:51. | :21:55. | |
Chancellor said the right things? There were a lot of good things in | :21:55. | :22:00. | |
the Budget, it turned out, in my view to be a mini Budget. In terms | :22:01. | :22:06. | |
of small businesses, I think small businesses are still struggling to | :22:06. | :22:11. | |
borrow money. And the talk is fine. What I need to see it is working on | :22:11. | :22:16. | |
the ground. That small businesses can go to banks and barrow. It's | :22:16. | :22:20. | |
the small and medium-sized enterprises that are going to | :22:20. | :22:25. | |
provide the jobs in the future. I was delighted to hear about the | :22:25. | :22:28. | |
infrastructure investment. That's good for Liverpool and the north- | :22:28. | :22:35. | |
west. It fits into our plans to create an intrapresentairial | :22:35. | :22:45. | |
:22:45. | :22:48. | ||
atmosphere in Liverpool. We'll be celebrate ing winning the | :22:48. | :22:53. | |
enterprise prizes next year. But the economy is still extremely | :22:53. | :22:58. | |
parlous and I think will we will be going through difficult times in | :22:58. | :23:06. | |
the next few years. I think perhaps a year has gone by and we've missed | :23:06. | :23:09. | |
an opportunity. We need to invest in this economy. The Government can | :23:09. | :23:13. | |
help with that. Some of the money will be released now and some in a | :23:13. | :23:19. | |
few years' time. I hope to build on what has been announced today and | :23:19. | :23:22. | |
if we can create a better infrastructure in this country, | :23:22. | :23:29. | |
it's good for UK plc. Steve, you run a road haulage | :23:29. | :23:36. | |
company so presumably for you the fact that the 3p fuel duty has been | :23:36. | :23:41. | |
dropped must be welcome? It's welcomed but I still don't think | :23:41. | :23:49. | |
it's enough to stimulate the economy. If you look abroad, some | :23:49. | :23:57. | |
fuel prices are still 20p to 50p cheaper than in the UK. | :23:57. | :24:06. | |
We still need cuts on fuel. Thank you very much. To sum up. People | :24:06. | :24:10. | |
here saying they heard some of what they wanted to, but not everything, | :24:10. | :24:14. | |
but that's the thing, you can't please everybody all of the time. | :24:14. | :24:21. | |
Well' be back here later in the programme to speak to more business | :24:21. | :24:24. | |
people and see if they heard what they wanted to from the Autumn | :24:25. | :24:28. | |
Statement. That's the view in Merseyside. Let's go back to the | :24:28. | :24:32. | |
view in Westminster from Jon Sopel who is still outside Parliament. | :24:32. | :24:38. | |
Thank you very much. I'm joined by the shadow chief secretary to the | :24:38. | :24:42. | |
Treasury. The Government set the stage pretty much for what was | :24:42. | :24:46. | |
coming. Was there anything that surprised you? I have to say, I was | :24:46. | :24:52. | |
really surprised by the borrowing figures. To have to borrow an extra | :24:52. | :24:57. | |
�158 billion to what was previously planned that's bad news and a sign | :24:57. | :25:03. | |
of economic failure. Because the reason they're borrowing so much | :25:03. | :25:07. | |
more is because unemployment is higher than expected and growth | :25:07. | :25:10. | |
continues to flat line and inflation is higher as well. And we | :25:10. | :25:15. | |
warned the Government 18 months ago if you cut too far and too fast you | :25:15. | :25:18. | |
risk choking off the economic recovery and that's exactly what | :25:18. | :25:24. | |
we're seeing because if you have more people out of work you are | :25:24. | :25:29. | |
paying more in Belfast and more businesses failing. So you you're | :25:29. | :25:34. | |
saying that the Government are now borrowing too much? Yes, you have | :25:34. | :25:41. | |
to reduce the deficit but in a balanced way. But if they hadn't | :25:41. | :25:47. | |
cut the borrowing would have been even higher? But if you have more | :25:47. | :25:52. | |
people back at work you'll have more paying taxes. Yes, tax | :25:52. | :25:56. | |
increases and spending cuts but but have to have jobs, because unless | :25:56. | :26:00. | |
you have people in work paying taxes you're not going to reduce | :26:00. | :26:04. | |
the deficit. And that's what we're seeing now, the cost of economic | :26:04. | :26:09. | |
failure is more people out of work, but also higher Government | :26:09. | :26:13. | |
borrowing and we've seen both of those today. But the world has | :26:13. | :26:18. | |
changed in the past 18 months. There was not a euro crisis of the | :26:18. | :26:22. | |
proportions we're seeing today? that's true but we also said don't | :26:22. | :26:27. | |
rip out the foundations of the house. Because when a hurricane is | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
brewing you're not in a position to with stand a storm and that's what | :26:31. | :26:35. | |
we're seeing now because our economic recovery was choked off | :26:35. | :26:39. | |
before the euro crisis. But also, unless you've got the jobs and the | :26:39. | :26:43. | |
growth plan, then when a crisis does come along you're blown out of | :26:43. | :26:47. | |
the water and that's what we're seeing now with the increases in | :26:47. | :26:53. | |
borrowing, coupled with the increases in unemployment. It feels | :26:53. | :26:59. | |
like a hurricane here just as you started talking about it. I'll talk | :26:59. | :27:04. | |
about the sunshine next! Government's argument was that the | :27:04. | :27:09. | |
reason it is having to do so much now is that you didn't repair the | :27:09. | :27:13. | |
roof when the sun was shining, that there were all those years of | :27:13. | :27:20. | |
plenty and Labour carried on spending like crazy. Up until 2008 | :27:20. | :27:25. | |
the Government and the liberal democrats were backing the | :27:25. | :27:32. | |
Government's spending plans. It was Labour's choice in 2007 to increase | :27:32. | :27:38. | |
our borrowing to avoid the home repossessions we saw in the early | :27:38. | :27:42. | |
'90s. Yes, of course, now we need to start reducing that deficit but | :27:42. | :27:47. | |
what the Government are finding is if you cut too far and too fast you | :27:47. | :27:51. | |
choke off the economic recovery and as a result you can't bring down | :27:51. | :27:56. | |
borrowing because you're paying more out on higher unemployment and | :27:56. | :28:03. | |
less coming in in taxes because more businesses are failing. | :28:03. | :28:07. | |
There were some announcements on investment in infrastructure, what | :28:07. | :28:11. | |
did you think of that? There are a number of things today that are the | :28:11. | :28:15. | |
right thing to do, but if you ask are they making any difference the | :28:15. | :28:20. | |
OBR is the arbiter of that and the OBR have assessed the Government's | :28:20. | :28:24. | |
plans and revised down their forecasts for this year, next year | :28:24. | :28:29. | |
and the year after and revised upwards the unemployment. So I | :28:30. | :28:33. | |
don't think they're doing enough to get the economy back on track to | :28:33. | :28:38. | |
create the jobs we need. If they did have a comprehensive plan I | :28:38. | :28:43. | |
believe we would get the economy moving again and the deficit down. | :28:43. | :28:48. | |
But isn't that what they've done today? No, because you've just | :28:49. | :28:55. | |
moved money to pay others. Rob be Peter to pay Paul. | :28:55. | :28:59. | |
There's no new money for any of these initiatives. They're moving | :28:59. | :29:04. | |
from one pot to another and as a result the OBR say that it's not | :29:04. | :29:14. | |
:29:14. | :29:30. | ||
We have seen the eurozone crisis develop. | :29:30. | :29:35. | |
What you see in the forecast is they revised up their forecast for | :29:35. | :29:41. | |
growth in the eurozone this year. That tells us a lot about what the | :29:41. | :29:51. | |
:29:51. | :29:52. | ||
Chancellor is doing here. So too are the Chancellor's | :29:52. | :29:55. | |
decisions to cut so far and deep, which has choked off the economic | :29:55. | :30:03. | |
recovery. If you had been in the recovery and you had been writing | :30:03. | :30:07. | |
this Autumn Statement it would have been higher? We called for a cut in | :30:07. | :30:13. | |
VAT and a tax on bankers' bonuses to fund 100,000 jobs. We have been | :30:13. | :30:19. | |
clear we would want to reTuesday the deficit. Halving the deficit -- | :30:19. | :30:23. | |
reducing the deficit. Halving the deficit. That approach will ensure | :30:23. | :30:27. | |
we have the growth in the jobs we need, while taking tough decisions | :30:27. | :30:30. | |
to reduce the deficit. This Government tried to go further and | :30:31. | :30:35. | |
faster and they have not succeeded. Though you have complained about | :30:35. | :30:39. | |
the borrowing levels, if you had been writing this Autumn Statement | :30:39. | :30:44. | |
borrowing would have been higher? That is a yes or a no? We would | :30:44. | :30:49. | |
have reduced the deficit at a slower pace. We know you need | :30:49. | :30:53. | |
growth and jobs if we reduce the deficit in a sustainable way. What | :30:54. | :30:56. | |
we are finding is the Government are not able to reduce the deficit | :30:56. | :31:02. | |
because they don't have a plan for growths and jobs. That is why it is | :31:02. | :31:08. | |
coming in higher. Instead of paying for failure, paying out more in | :31:08. | :31:11. | |
benefits, we would support businesses to get us through the | :31:11. | :31:16. | |
economic turmoil, put us in a stronger position for jobs, growth | :31:16. | :31:21. | |
and deficit reduction as well. Andrew, back to you in the studio. | :31:21. | :31:26. | |
Thank you. It is 2.30pm, just gone. You are watching the special | :31:26. | :31:30. | |
coverage of the Chancellor's Autumn Statement. Let's bring you up-to- | :31:30. | :31:40. | |
:31:40. | :31:46. | ||
Danny Alexander told this programme he could not rule out a recession | :31:46. | :31:56. | |
:31:56. | :32:17. | ||
Because of these dire economic forecasts, a lot of additional | :32:17. | :32:22. | |
infrastructure spending, there will be �5 billion additional public | :32:22. | :32:27. | |
spending on infrastructure. �5 billion, not a lot in a �1.5 | :32:27. | :32:37. | |
:32:37. | :32:39. | ||
As we have been told on this programme, these forecasts for | :32:39. | :32:42. | |
growth, such as it is, already include this spending in the | :32:42. | :32:48. | |
outcome. They won't make things any better. | :32:48. | :32:54. | |
On pensions and benefits, the basic state pension will increase by | :32:54. | :33:04. | |
:33:04. | :33:15. | ||
state pension will increase by D plenty of statements in this | :33:15. | :33:19. | |
Budget. The banking levy will be increased | :33:19. | :33:29. | |
:33:29. | :33:32. | ||
to maintain revenue at �2.5 billion. Almost �1 billion for this new | :33:32. | :33:36. | |
Youth Contract, to tackle unemployment over the three years. | :33:36. | :33:39. | |
Most involving work experience, not jobs. | :33:39. | :33:49. | |
:33:49. | :33:52. | ||
D Now, we are joined by the director of the Institute for | :33:52. | :33:54. | |
Fiscal Studies, Paul Johnson. Welcome to our special programme. | :33:54. | :34:00. | |
One of the things which has not yet been commented on is we've seen a | :34:00. | :34:06. | |
line of public spending cuts between last year, through to 2015 | :34:06. | :34:12. | |
and the Chancellor said, there's more coming in 2016 and '17. That | :34:12. | :34:16. | |
is right. The consequence of the terrible growth numbers is that in | :34:16. | :34:20. | |
order to meet his fiscal rules, he's going to have to do two more | :34:20. | :34:24. | |
years of cuts, at essentially the same kind of level he is cutting | :34:24. | :34:28. | |
over this Parliament. We said before five years of cuts of this | :34:28. | :34:36. | |
scale are unprecedented. We will now get seven years of cuts in this | :34:37. | :34:42. | |
scale. Two years of substantial public spending cuts. And one of | :34:42. | :34:47. | |
the Chancellor's aims, that he made much of, was that he would get rid | :34:47. | :34:50. | |
of the structural deficit, that bit of borrowing that doesn't go away | :34:50. | :34:54. | |
even when the economy is growing. He had a target for it. We are | :34:54. | :34:58. | |
going to borrow more than he originally thought. Is it clear now | :34:58. | :35:06. | |
if and when the structural deaf silt does go away? Well, he's -- | :35:06. | :35:11. | |
structural deficit does go away? Well, he's only on target to reach | :35:12. | :35:17. | |
it because he's had to do two years of extra cuts. Had he stuck to his | :35:17. | :35:20. | |
previous spending plans he would have missed his target. So, he's | :35:20. | :35:24. | |
had to cut more to meet that target? He's had to take another | :35:24. | :35:27. | |
�15 billion away from public spending in the years after the | :35:27. | :35:32. | |
next election. He has not told us how. He said in his forecast he is | :35:32. | :35:38. | |
taking an extra �15 billion away. That is enough to say he will meet | :35:38. | :35:44. | |
his targets. If he had not penciled that in the OBR would have said you | :35:44. | :35:48. | |
will miss your targets. On the issue of debt, often mixed up with | :35:49. | :35:54. | |
deficit, but it's the I kum lated deficit, the -- the accumulated | :35:54. | :35:58. | |
deficit, the other target was there would be a date, he would add and | :35:58. | :36:04. | |
add and add to debt, then it would become a smaller percentage of our | :36:04. | :36:07. | |
overall national wealth. That was his other goal. What has happened | :36:07. | :36:12. | |
there? Well, he has said he's going to meet that. Obviously the total | :36:12. | :36:16. | |
level is going to reach a higher amount. This was always supposed to | :36:16. | :36:21. | |
be a kind of... Always an odd target, to specify one year in | :36:21. | :36:25. | |
which you are moving to a slightly smaller number. You can muck around | :36:25. | :36:28. | |
with numbers to make that work. He said that will just about happen. | :36:28. | :36:33. | |
That is a less important target than the one we were just | :36:33. | :36:38. | |
describing. On the structural deficit? It means, as you said, | :36:38. | :36:45. | |
there are �100 million or more of extra borrowing. On your analysis | :36:45. | :36:49. | |
and looking at these figures, how do you think this slump compares | :36:49. | :36:56. | |
with previous periods of economic difficulties in terms of people's | :36:56. | :37:00. | |
living standards? It is extraordinary. Compared with what | :37:00. | :37:06. | |
the Budget three or four years ago was expecting t economy will be 13% | :37:06. | :37:11. | |
smaller in 2016. More than 3% smaller than we were thinking six | :37:11. | :37:16. | |
months ago. It is a bit smaller than before the crash? It is still | :37:17. | :37:20. | |
smaller. This is an extraordinary change. One of the consequences of | :37:20. | :37:24. | |
this, this is in the Office for Budget Responsibility figures, is | :37:24. | :37:30. | |
really big real earnings cuts wefplt knew there would be 1% -- we | :37:30. | :37:34. | |
knew there would be 1%. They think 3% this year. And continued falls | :37:34. | :37:39. | |
next year and the year after. People are poorer. A squeeze on | :37:39. | :37:45. | |
living standards. People will be no better off in 2015 than they were | :37:45. | :37:49. | |
in 2001. That is unprecedented. Before the | :37:49. | :37:52. | |
eurozone started to cause problems, one of the reasons the economy did | :37:52. | :37:56. | |
not grow as it was meant to was this squeeze on living standards, | :37:56. | :38:01. | |
that people were not spending as much and tightening their belts. | :38:01. | :38:05. | |
That continues. It is cause and effect, isn't it? If the economy is | :38:05. | :38:09. | |
doing badly then earnings go up less. It means people have less to | :38:09. | :38:13. | |
spend. We are stuck in that uncomfortable position, where we're | :38:13. | :38:17. | |
not going to get a lot driven by growing consumption in the short | :38:17. | :38:21. | |
run. People are still paying down accumulated debt. Not just the | :38:21. | :38:24. | |
Government which has a lot of debt. It is the private sector as well. | :38:24. | :38:29. | |
The thing that strikes me is the politics of this, because I would | :38:29. | :38:33. | |
suggest, Nick, that what it means is whereas this coalition started | :38:33. | :38:39. | |
life in 2010, thinking we'll do all the tough stuff first and the | :38:40. | :38:43. | |
economic cycle will be in kilter, we will hit 2015 with the job done, | :38:44. | :38:51. | |
we are off to the races. They are now totally out of kilter? That is | :38:51. | :38:55. | |
right. It has huge implications. The Chancellor was counting on, | :38:55. | :38:58. | |
just before the next election, saying job done, now we can give | :38:58. | :39:02. | |
you some goodys to reward you in the form of tax cuts. The Liberal | :39:02. | :39:06. | |
Democrats were counting on saying, job done, we no longer have to | :39:06. | :39:11. | |
stick with this coalition, we can present ourselves to the electorate | :39:11. | :39:14. | |
and give them a choice. There is an implication for the Labour Party as | :39:14. | :39:18. | |
well. I suspect, in fact I predict that day after day you will now | :39:18. | :39:22. | |
have George Osborne saying to Ed Balls, these figures, from the | :39:22. | :39:27. | |
Office for Budget Responsibility say you have cuts when you come to | :39:27. | :39:31. | |
power. What l you reverse these cuts and make borrowing worse? The | :39:31. | :39:35. | |
pressure is on. The rules, in other words of the game, have | :39:35. | :39:38. | |
dramatically changed. Even if the economy does not get much worse. If | :39:38. | :39:42. | |
it did, it would change more. That really affects the dynamics of | :39:42. | :39:47. | |
politics and what they say of each other and how they discuss what | :39:47. | :39:51. | |
their plans are for the next election. Robert, when the official | :39:51. | :39:58. | |
fosh cast is 0.7% -- forecast is 0.7%, we know it could be minus | :39:58. | :40:03. | |
0.7% in reality or more - don't you get the feeling that we are on a | :40:03. | :40:08. | |
knife-edge, and that if the wind blows strong from the eurozone, we | :40:08. | :40:15. | |
are over that edge? There's a lot that could go wrong with even this | :40:15. | :40:20. | |
pessimistic forecast. For example, next year the OBR expects a big | :40:20. | :40:23. | |
rise in business investment. Business confidence is shot to | :40:23. | :40:28. | |
pieces at the moment. There is a huge storm blowing in the eurozone. | :40:28. | :40:35. | |
If it goes as badly wrong in the eurozone as many fear it will do, | :40:35. | :40:39. | |
then frankly everything today will feel irrelevant. The size of the | :40:39. | :40:44. | |
economic shot will knock these forecasts for six. The Office for | :40:44. | :40:49. | |
Budget Responsibility does make it absolutely clear that, you know, | :40:49. | :40:54. | |
there are huge risks. What would happen in Europe and the | :40:54. | :41:01. | |
damage which could be done to the banking system. A final thought | :41:01. | :41:07. | |
from you on this? Anything to cheer us up? Not a lot. It is worse than | :41:07. | :41:10. | |
we expected. It is another two years of austerity. As Robert just | :41:10. | :41:14. | |
said, the risks are mostly on the downside. | :41:14. | :41:18. | |
In a way, what you are saying is this is as good as it gets, it | :41:18. | :41:22. | |
could be worse? That is what the OBR are saying. That is what will | :41:22. | :41:27. | |
happen if the eurozone does go up. You are tapping away there. She is | :41:27. | :41:32. | |
sending her report to the IMF! To you have a final thought for us? | :41:32. | :41:35. | |
will tear off because I want to hear what the Office for Budget | :41:35. | :41:39. | |
Responsibility says about this structural change. I think, are you | :41:39. | :41:43. | |
surprised Paul, just to see an independent body, that it has to be | :41:43. | :41:48. | |
said, no-one elected, has had a fundamental impact on this report, | :41:48. | :41:51. | |
it is one that George Osborne intended and many would say is a | :41:51. | :41:56. | |
good thing. They are just as likely to be wrong as the Treasury. The | :41:56. | :42:01. | |
fact they are not politicians, they can still be wrong. It allows | :42:01. | :42:06. | |
politicians to hide behind it. goes both ways. They can blame the | :42:06. | :42:11. | |
bad news on the OBR. They are also stuck with what the OBR has decided. | :42:11. | :42:15. | |
It has decided to be pretty gloomy about what has happened to the | :42:15. | :42:19. | |
economy. This feels like a good thing, actually for the way we run | :42:19. | :42:23. | |
the British economy. These are credible numbers. They may be wrong, | :42:23. | :42:27. | |
they probably will be wrong. Forecasters get it wrong. These are | :42:27. | :42:31. | |
credible. Had we had the Chancellor saying my forecasts are more | :42:31. | :42:35. | |
optimistic than this, then they would not have had that credibility. | :42:35. | :42:38. | |
There's a nasty outcome, but it a east a good thing that the | :42:38. | :42:41. | |
Chancellor is being held to -- it's a good thing that the Chancellor is | :42:41. | :42:46. | |
being held to account. It helps George Osborne to say, not my fault, | :42:46. | :42:51. | |
I am being told to do this. He will use that against Ed Balls. He feels | :42:51. | :42:55. | |
the OBR might be wrong, the Treasury is wrong, he has been | :42:55. | :42:59. | |
proved right on a series of things F he were in the Treasury in a few | :42:59. | :43:03. | |
years' time, he will have a big decision. Will he say, I don't want | :43:03. | :43:08. | |
this independent advise, because it is bad and misleading? Here's a | :43:08. | :43:13. | |
word, he'll keep them. Let's go back to Merseyside to join Judith | :43:13. | :43:19. | |
for more business reaction. Welcome back to the apprentices | :43:20. | :43:23. | |
school here at Cammell Laird. This is a hive of activity. They are | :43:23. | :43:31. | |
doing a bit of pipe welding today. 85 apprentices on site here. I have | :43:31. | :43:37. | |
protective googles on. -- goggles on. We will find out what real | :43:37. | :43:41. | |
employers have to say about the Autumn Statement. I have three | :43:41. | :43:47. | |
joining me. Steve Potter, you are here with business interests which | :43:47. | :43:51. | |
are many and varied. You are here as a solicitor. You advice on small | :43:51. | :43:57. | |
and medium companies and also Nick Hugh, you run a car leasing company. | :43:57. | :44:05. | |
If I can talk to you first. Your business interest ps vary from ship | :44:05. | :44:10. | |
building to funeral burials. A lot of aspects to your business. Did | :44:10. | :44:20. | |
you hear what you wanted to from George Osborne? | :44:20. | :44:24. | |
I am sorry about that, we have lost the line to Merseyside there. When | :44:24. | :44:29. | |
we get it back, we will go straight back up to get more business | :44:29. | :44:39. | |
:44:39. | :44:39. | ||
reaction. We have, in one of our of the CBI, John Cridland and also | :44:39. | :44:42. | |
the General Secretary of the TUC, Brendan Barber. Welcome to both of | :44:42. | :44:46. | |
you. Mr Cridland, let me come to you first. You have a lot of what | :44:47. | :44:49. | |
business wanted - more infrastructure spending and the | :44:49. | :44:53. | |
rest of it. Are your members going to start investing at last? Yes, I | :44:53. | :44:57. | |
think they will. It was grim economic news. If it is grim | :44:57. | :45:01. | |
economic news we have get on with getting the country moving and | :45:01. | :45:05. | |
getting the country working. There is a plan A plus here. The measures | :45:05. | :45:12. | |
on roads, on digital, on energy, on unemployment. On helping with | :45:12. | :45:14. | |
energy-intensive industries, helping mid-size businesses grow. I | :45:14. | :45:17. | |
think they add up to a confidence- building package for the business | :45:17. | :45:20. | |
community. So if businesses do invest and | :45:20. | :45:25. | |
we'll have to wait and see, you are sitting on cash reserves of �900 | :45:25. | :45:29. | |
billion at the moment. If you start to put that into the economy, would | :45:29. | :45:35. | |
we do better than the 0.7% growth which the OBR says is all we are in | :45:35. | :45:45. | |
:45:45. | :45:49. | ||
I think it explains why the OBR were more optimistic about growth | :45:49. | :45:54. | |
in 2013 it than they were. We have made a start today. I think it is | :45:54. | :45:58. | |
the private sector that has the money to put to the public sector | :45:58. | :46:01. | |
balance sheet to get things moving when the public sector can't and | :46:01. | :46:05. | |
shouldn't be spending money but it does not have. Brendan Barber, it | :46:05. | :46:10. | |
seems like a pretty grim time if you have a job in the public sector. | :46:10. | :46:18. | |
You are going to lose more jobs, according to the OBR, from 400,000 | :46:18. | :46:23. | |
losses to 700,000. You have a pay freeze as well and after all of | :46:23. | :46:28. | |
that you will be lucky to get a 1% rise, which is less than inflation. | :46:28. | :46:32. | |
It is hard pounding. It certainly is. As to say, the prospects are | :46:33. | :46:39. | |
looking particularly grim for their public sector. -- as you save. We | :46:39. | :46:46. | |
were told this pain would be compensated for by private growth, | :46:46. | :46:54. | |
but the forecast has turned to ashes. More heart pounding, as you | :46:54. | :46:59. | |
say, and a massive squeeze on the living standards of the 6 million | :46:59. | :47:02. | |
people working in the public services in particular. It is hard | :47:02. | :47:07. | |
to see what you can do with the public sector. Of course, you can | :47:07. | :47:10. | |
always make changes at the edges, but the fact is that there is a | :47:10. | :47:14. | |
hard pounding for the public sector, even though the Government is about | :47:14. | :47:18. | |
to borrow �111 billion more than it intended and more than Labour has | :47:18. | :47:27. | |
been calling on them to do, and at the end of it all we will be | :47:27. | :47:35. | |
indebted to the tune of 1.5 trillion pounds. These cuts that we | :47:35. | :47:44. | |
were seeing, we were told it would lead to private sector growth which | :47:44. | :47:49. | |
has simply not happened. We have been getting all the pain, with the | :47:49. | :47:55. | |
jobs going, the pay freeze in the public sector, all the pain has | :47:55. | :48:01. | |
been coming but the game has not. Surprise surprise. This is what | :48:01. | :48:06. | |
happened in the 1930s. The lessons of history are clear. Austerity | :48:06. | :48:11. | |
begets more austerity, not growth. In the 1930s we did not have a | :48:11. | :48:18. | |
deficit of 10% of GDP. We already have an enormous Keynesian policy | :48:18. | :48:23. | |
in place and it is not producing growth. But we haven't, have we? We | :48:23. | :48:33. | |
:48:33. | :48:34. | ||
have had a policy of major cards. - - cuts and tax increases. What that | :48:34. | :48:39. | |
has led to is an economy that is virtually flat lining. Unemployment | :48:39. | :48:46. | |
is rising, set to rise even further, up with an even bigger squeeze on | :48:46. | :48:50. | |
living standards stretching into the distance. This is not all the | :48:50. | :48:54. | |
fault of the eurozone. Those problems do not help the situation | :48:54. | :48:58. | |
and they add to the risk going forward but they are not the cause | :48:58. | :49:03. | |
of the problems that we are enduring. One final thing. What did | :49:03. | :49:07. | |
the Chancellor not to today that you would have liked to see? He was | :49:07. | :49:12. | |
not able to wave a magic wand to solve the eurozone crisis. He did | :49:12. | :49:16. | |
not expect that, did you? It is the main reason why growth has been | :49:16. | :49:20. | |
disappointed and if we can get that storm cloud removed, we can get | :49:20. | :49:25. | |
back on the trajectory to growth and jobs. On the shock news that | :49:25. | :49:32. | |
the Chancellor did not have a magic wand, we leave it there. Back to | :49:32. | :49:35. | |
Jon Sopel. Let's get some nationalist reaction | :49:35. | :49:43. | |
from what we have heard today. I am joined by Jonathan Edwards and a | :49:43. | :49:48. | |
spokesperson for the SNP. Were you happy with what we heard? It was a | :49:48. | :49:56. | |
panic statement, a series of interventionist measures. They are | :49:56. | :50:01. | |
recognising that the economy is the key problem. There was a capital | :50:01. | :50:05. | |
reinvestment programme made up of 25 billion from pension funds and | :50:05. | :50:11. | |
also public money. There was Government alone is losing out by | :50:11. | :50:21. | |
:50:21. | :50:23. | ||
1.5 billion. What did you think of it? I agree with him. The growth | :50:23. | :50:30. | |
forecast has dropped from 2.5% in 2012 to 0.7%. Much as the | :50:30. | :50:34. | |
infrastructure investment is welcome, it will not come on stream | :50:34. | :50:39. | |
until after 2012. It will not deal with the immediate problem. As far | :50:39. | :50:49. | |
:50:49. | :50:51. | ||
as the Scottish Government is concerned, we do not know what the | :50:51. | :50:54. | |
Revenue developments will be with the departmental budgets when they | :50:54. | :51:00. | |
are announced. What about the impact of the public sector pay | :51:00. | :51:05. | |
announcements? Pay is raising its ugly head again. Labour tried to | :51:05. | :51:10. | |
introduce this when they were in power and it will have a massive | :51:10. | :51:15. | |
impact on economies like Wales and Scotland. What do you think? | :51:15. | :51:22. | |
Another two years of pay restraint after the current year. Plus the | :51:22. | :51:26. | |
issues of regional pay, which could exacerbate the differences between | :51:26. | :51:29. | |
the South East and other areas of the country, including Scotland, | :51:29. | :51:34. | |
Wales and the North West of England. This is one of the BAFTAs ideas | :51:34. | :51:43. | |
about the Chancellor has come out with so far. -- the most stupid | :51:43. | :51:47. | |
ideas. The policy of the Scottish Government is to look at the euro | :51:47. | :51:51. | |
when the time is right and by referendum of the people. In the | :51:51. | :52:00. | |
Caribbean since we would stick to the pound sterling. If -- in the | :52:00. | :52:05. | |
current instance. If Scotland was independent, we could make | :52:05. | :52:10. | |
decisions that are important to the Scottish economy, rather than | :52:11. | :52:15. | |
waiting for the Chancellor to make decisions. Thank you. | :52:15. | :52:19. | |
How has George Osborne's statement gone down across the United | :52:19. | :52:23. | |
Kingdom? Let's hear from the Northern Irish Economics Editor Jim | :52:23. | :52:28. | |
Fitzpatrick. Anything in this for Northern Ireland? The bombshell is | :52:28. | :52:32. | |
an announcement of a review into the possibility of regional public | :52:32. | :52:37. | |
sector pay. There are 230,000 public sector workers in Northern | :52:37. | :52:41. | |
Ireland and their average pay is currently about 40% more than the | :52:41. | :52:45. | |
average pay in the private sector. You can imagine the starting point | :52:45. | :52:48. | |
for negotiations if there is going to be a regional pay rates set in | :52:48. | :52:53. | |
the public sector and the kind of cuts in pay that people could see. | :52:53. | :52:57. | |
That is a huge issue for Northern Ireland and its economy. Elsewhere | :52:57. | :53:00. | |
there were fears, because of the way the infrastructure projects | :53:00. | :53:04. | |
were being primed with savings from other departments, that that might | :53:04. | :53:12. | |
mean cuts at Stormont. In fact, they will receive �130 million | :53:12. | :53:15. | |
extra from infrastructure spending and they will be up on departmental | :53:15. | :53:19. | |
spending as well. Overall it is good for Northern Ireland. On | :53:19. | :53:22. | |
credit easing for the banks, the situation here is complicated | :53:22. | :53:26. | |
because the Irish Banks are a big factor in Northern Ireland as well. | :53:26. | :53:30. | |
I understand from industry sources, but the detail has not been seen | :53:30. | :53:33. | |
yet, that the major banks in Northern Ireland, UK and Irish | :53:33. | :53:37. | |
banks, will be able to take part in that, which would also be good if | :53:37. | :53:41. | |
they can continue to lend more to businesses. That's the view from | :53:41. | :53:45. | |
Belfast. Let's get more reaction from people involved in business. | :53:45. | :53:51. | |
We are back in Merseyside and we have got rid of the gremlins. | :53:51. | :53:57. | |
Gremlins? I promise you that this was a real-life shipyard. It was a | :53:57. | :54:05. | |
crane at a -- that took us off the air. It sailed in front of our | :54:05. | :54:10. | |
satellite truck. I promised it was a working environment. We have some | :54:10. | :54:14. | |
genuine working people here, taking time out of their businesses to | :54:14. | :54:21. | |
talk about their response to the Autumn Statement. You represent an | :54:21. | :54:26. | |
enormous company with lots of different interests. From retail, | :54:26. | :54:31. | |
to burials, to shipping, what did you make of the state and today? | :54:31. | :54:35. | |
There were lots of large numbers and large programmes announced. | :54:35. | :54:38. | |
They are great initiative, supporting infrastructure and small | :54:38. | :54:42. | |
businesses, with tax relief and things like that, supporting young | :54:42. | :54:46. | |
people back into work. They are all good and what we are waiting for | :54:46. | :54:52. | |
his more detail for those programmes to see how they will | :54:52. | :54:56. | |
play out. We hope that will happen sooner rather than later. Growth | :54:56. | :55:02. | |
will be more or less flat through next year, until 2013. We are | :55:02. | :55:08. | |
seeing it good initiatives but we won some concrete plans. Because | :55:08. | :55:18. | |
:55:18. | :55:21. | ||
your concrete is so diverse... -- Apologies for that. We have lost | :55:21. | :55:24. | |
you again! It is really dangerous in that factory. I hope the crane | :55:25. | :55:30. | |
has not fallen down. One thing that struck me, and I did not get a | :55:30. | :55:37. | |
chance to ask Brendan Barder this and I wish I had, the day before | :55:37. | :55:45. | |
the big strike, the Chancellor it - - has said there will only be a 1% | :55:45. | :55:50. | |
pay rise after the pay freeze. I think the Government thinks it can | :55:50. | :55:56. | |
fight with the unions and win. There will also be a review of | :55:56. | :56:00. | |
regional pay rates. I did not notice that. This was thought of in | :56:00. | :56:03. | |
the 80s and the 90s and every Chancellor has ducked it because it | :56:03. | :56:09. | |
is so controversial. Certain public sector workers do incredibly well | :56:09. | :56:12. | |
compared with private sector workers because they live in an | :56:12. | :56:17. | |
area where wages are lower. But you try changing that! You tell a | :56:17. | :56:20. | |
police officer in Newcastle, a civil servant in Belfast, that we | :56:21. | :56:24. | |
are going to cut your pay because it is not fair in relation to other | :56:24. | :56:30. | |
people in your area. That is hugely provocative. It suggests that the | :56:30. | :56:34. | |
day before the strike, they know they have got a fight. Robert, by | :56:34. | :56:40. | |
the end of this week, we may not be talking about the Autumn Statement. | :56:40. | :56:44. | |
You may be on our screens telling us about the unravelling eurozone. | :56:44. | :56:50. | |
I could be doing that this morning. -- this evening. Italy have record | :56:50. | :56:58. | |
borrowing rates, almost 8%. Several billions of three-year loans. | :56:58. | :57:02. | |
Borrowing for three years is not supposed to be risky. With Italy | :57:02. | :57:07. | |
borrowing at 8%, the markets already closed for the enormous | :57:08. | :57:13. | |
eurozone economy that is so important. The noises out of | :57:13. | :57:17. | |
Brussels is that their plan to launch a big bazooka to help this, | :57:17. | :57:22. | |
a bail-out fund, looks more like an air pistol. The size of his bail- | :57:22. | :57:30. | |
out fund is shrinking. All of this could be close to a relevant. It | :57:30. | :57:36. | |
may all go badly wrong in the eurozone. If it does, frankly, we | :57:36. | :57:40. | |
will be into emergency plans to rescue our banks and most of what | :57:40. | :57:44. | |
we have heard will feel like an interesting but irrelevant story. | :57:44. | :57:48. | |
The one thing we did not find out is what the contingency plans are. | :57:48. | :57:52. | |
I don't think they will be telling you. That is why I did not bother | :57:52. | :57:58. | |
to ask! We have been incredibly gloomy throughout the programme. | :57:58. | :58:02. | |
The Chancellor will say that we are not there yet, and that is the | :58:02. | :58:07. | |
advantage, he will argue, of his policies. Ed Balls will say it is | :58:07. | :58:11. | |
worse that it needed to be, but he will accept we are not in a | :58:11. | :58:14. | |
situation of the eurozone countries. In many ways we have better | :58:14. | :58:17. | |
prospects than the rest of the eurozone and we should not forget | :58:17. | :58:21. | |
that. It has been a pleasure to have you with us on this rocky road. | :58:21. | :58:25. | |
There is plenty more on the BBC News Channel throughout the day, | :58:25. | :58:29. | |
including coverage of the OBR press conference at 3 o'clock, coming up | :58:29. | :58:34. | |
now. There will be more on the latest public sector strikes | :58:34. | :58:36. |