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Today, the heir hunters are struggling with a case | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
which is proving a tough one to crack. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
It looks as though this family's really very small | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
and dies out completely. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Deceased on birth certificate. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
A second case has its roots in rock and roll. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
He discovered the '80s pop sensation Katrina And The Waves. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
It's all in a day's work for the heir hunters. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:26 | |
If I'm in Ely now, it always seems strange I can't ring him up, | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
say, "What are you up to? Are you coming for a beer?" | 0:00:29 | 0:00:31 | |
In the London offices of probate genealogists firm Finders, | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
case manager Ryan Gregory | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
and the team are starting work on a new case just in. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
I was hoping to ask you a few questions | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
and then I can give you some information. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
So this is the estate of Violet Francis. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
The case has been referred to us privately, | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
and we're just going through the information that we have | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
in the initial contact e-mail from the person who referred it. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
So far, we know that Violet Francis was born on the 10th November 1929 | 0:01:08 | 0:01:13 | |
in London. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:14 | |
She passed away a spinster. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
Her parents were William Francis and Violet Francis, nee Ware. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:22 | |
Violet Francis lived in Littlehampton, West Sussex. | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
She called the seaside town home for around nine years | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
after moving there from Staines in Middlesex. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Edna Smith lived on the same street as Violet | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
when she was still in Staines. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
Violet was very much her own person. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
Lived on her own. Never married, as far as I know. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
I never saw her with anybody else. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
Never saw her with friends or anything. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
She just kept to herself. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
And we'd meet perhaps on the way to the shops, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
or on the way back from the shops. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
And we both used to feed the horses in the field up the road. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
Violet Francis died aged 85 | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
on the 7th of October 2015 | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
after suffering a stroke. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
As far as we're aware, the estate comprises of a property which | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
may be somewhere between £300,000 and £400,000. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
And then there's going to be some shares | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
and some bonds on top of that as well. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
So we're talking a large amount. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:19 | |
All hands are on deck and Amy's also on the case. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:23 | |
I'm trying to look into the maternal family tree | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
just to see what we're looking at. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
Size wise. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
I found a 1911 census for the Ware family. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
And it says that Violet's mother, Violet, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
was one of just three children. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
There was Violet herself and then a sister, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
SFE, turned out to be Sarah Fanny Elizabeth Ware. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
And a brother, John Henry. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
Although the heir hunters have a head start on Violet Francis's case | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
with a few clues to get them started, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
they can't rely on it all being fact. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
Even though we've got quite a few bits and pieces here, | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
really we have to start from the beginning anyway | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
and verify all of it before we even get going. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
As Violet's case is unfolding, Ryan makes a tragic discovery | 0:03:12 | 0:03:16 | |
when he receives her mother's death certificate. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
Mother, Violet Francis, formerly Ware, deceased on birth certificate. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
It turned out that Violet's mother, | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
she sadly passed away during childbirth. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
So she died around the same time that Violet was born, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
in November 1929. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
That means that we only have a nine-year gap | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
to fill in terms of any siblings of Violet. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
As the parents married in 1921, we've done a birth search | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
from 1921 to 1929 and haven't found any other issue to that marriage. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
So it seems as though there is no brothers and sisters. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
So we are looking at the maternal and the paternal families. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
Confirmation has come in that Violet never married. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
And because she had no siblings, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
the next step is to find out who her grandparents were, | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
on both her mother and her father's side of the family. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
Ryan hasn't been able to go that far back up Violet's family tree - | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
he's still stuck at her parents, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
and has discovered some more details about William Francis. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
I think I've found the deceased's father. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
In 1911, it appears that he was already serving in the Royal Navy. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
He was down in Portsmouth. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
He was a cook's mate in 1911. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
Violet's father, William Francis, was born in 1890. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
He joined the Navy in 1907 | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
at a crucial time for the beleaguered British Empire. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
However, he wasn't on the front line - | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
and his naval career came from humble beginnings. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
Essentially, throughout | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
his career in the Navy, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:01 | |
he was part of the cooking staff on the ships and bases | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
he served aboard. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
He would have done various jobs within the ships or the bases' | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
galley, and it would have been everything from initial food | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
preparation, actually cooking things up, maintaining the big ovens. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:18 | |
William Francis would have alternated his service | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
between land and sea. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
But in the years of conflict, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
during the Great War, he was based on dry land. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
He saw many changes over his 20-year naval career. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
In terms of how his job has evolved... | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
As time progressed, it would have got slightly easier | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
because of improvements in technologies. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
He even had a chance to serve in one of the Navy's first | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
aircraft carriers in the 1920s, HMS Argus. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
So he would have seen the Navy evolving around him | 0:05:49 | 0:05:52 | |
from this coal-fired, big-gun weapon system | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
to one that became much more three-dimensional. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:59 | |
The records are painting | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
a clear picture of Violet Francis's father's past. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
In the office, Ryan is still working on the family tree | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
but is struggling to branch out. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
At this time, we don't know who the paternal grandparents were. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
We know the paternal grandmother was called Elizabeth Francis. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
But because she was widowed by 1901, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
we don't know exactly what her husband's full name was. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
I'm just going to try and see if I can do a marriage search | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
to see if anything pops up. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
Then we can hopefully piece it together like that. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
The team has just uncovered the identities of Violet's grandparents | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
on her mother's side of the family | 0:06:44 | 0:06:45 | |
from her mother's birth certificate. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
They were Johan Richard Ware and Sarah Naomi Long. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
Married in 1882, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
they had three children, | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
including Violet's mother, | 0:06:57 | 0:06:58 | |
also called Violet. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Working on the other side of | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Violet's family, Ryan has asked | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
researcher Suzanne to try to track | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
down siblings of her father, William. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
William Francis... | 0:07:08 | 0:07:09 | |
He's the youngest paternal uncle. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
-How is Charlie spelt? -It's just Charles in 1911. -OK. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
Do you mind seeing if you can find a marriage and a death certificate? | 0:07:17 | 0:07:20 | |
Yeah. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:22 | |
Amy's next job is to look for any children of Violet's | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
maternal aunt and uncle. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
It looks like only her uncle John married and had children. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
There are two possible children which, | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
if correct, would mean that we've got two maternal cousins to look at. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:38 | |
There are both born in 1910, | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
so they've probably passed away some time ago. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
On the other side of the desk, | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
Ryan's had a breakthrough | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
tracking down Violet's father's side of the family. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
I've just managed to find the bit of information on the | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
1911 census that we were after. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
It shows how many children there was in the paternal family. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
Now we know that the paternal grandmother, Elizabeth, | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
was widowed by the time of the census. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
But we just found out that she'd had five children, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
four of whom were still living by 1911. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
One of those was the deceased's father. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
Researcher Suzanne is having | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
no luck finding living children of Violet's uncle Charles. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Suzanne's got Charles but...we think it probably has died out. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:33 | |
But as they're about to call it a day, | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
Ryan has some positive news. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
So I think we may have just found a potential... | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
Well, we have found a potential beneficiary on the estate | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
of Violet Francis. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
One of the dead ends in Suzanne's search for Violet's paternal | 0:08:46 | 0:08:50 | |
cousins has suddenly come to life. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
I'm looking at the stem of Charles Francis. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
He had two children in Staines. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
One of them I found has passed away fairly recently. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
2009. And he had three children himself. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
So it looks like I've managed to find contact | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
details for two of them. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
Now the team has reaped the rewards of their research | 0:09:09 | 0:09:13 | |
and finally located heirs to Violet's estate, it's over to | 0:09:13 | 0:09:16 | |
travelling researcher Phil, | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
who's in Staines, to tie up the loose ends. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
We are seeing Andrew and David Francis. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:24 | |
They are both in their 50s. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
I've got the paperwork to sign both up as beneficiaries, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
or potential beneficiaries, to this lady's estate. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
Violet Francis was born on the 10th November 1929. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:39 | |
You two are the paternal cousins... | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
once removed to Violet. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
-Right. -Your grandfather, Charles... -Yep. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
-..was the brother to Violet's father. -Who was William. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
-OK. -Do you remember uncle William? -Yeah, no, that's exactly right. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
-Yeah? Mum, do you remember an uncle William? -No. -No? | 0:09:58 | 0:10:02 | |
We had no idea we had a great cousin, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
a second cousin called Violet at all. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
The first information we had was | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
when we had a call from the office on Monday or Tuesday this week. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
-Thank you very much. Thanks for your time. -Lovely to meet you. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
Lovely to meet you. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:18 | |
A further five heirs were discovered | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
on Violet's father's side of the family. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
And a few days later, another heir has surfaced on Violet's | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
mother's side of the family, | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
bringing the total number of heirs to nine. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
In a case that's certainly taken a long time to bear fruit, | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
there's one final twist. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
We were actually notified that the deceased had left a will. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
The first thing we want to do is notify the family members that we've | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
contacted that they may no longer be entitled to inherit from the estate. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
So that's what we did. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:51 | |
Almost as soon as we told everyone that they may not be entitled | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
to inherit from the estate, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
we got a call from the executors of the deceased's will. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
They were able to confirm to us that actually two of the residuary | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
heirs in the deceased's will had predeceased Violet. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
That meant again that the heirs | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
that we'd initially contacted would be | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
entitled to inherit from Violet's estate after all. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
-Newmarket. -Oh. -What do you think? -I like that. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
John Gammon, from Ely, in Cambridgeshire. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
He made a name for himself in the music industry in the 1980s | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
as a hugely successful journalist and band manager, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
in a career spanning four decades. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
John's friends have fond memories of the early days. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
I met John when I was a teenager. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
About 17. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:50 | |
John worked, at that time, at the local hotel. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
And we met at a coffee-bar-cum... the sort of thing | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
we had in those days, jukeboxes, pinball machines. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
That's how I first met John. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:02 | |
And we hit it off...from the word go, really. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
In August 2015, John sadly passed away after battling | 0:12:07 | 0:12:12 | |
a serious illness. He was 63 years old. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:17 | |
John became a very close friend | 0:12:17 | 0:12:18 | |
over the last 20 years. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
I got to know him first of all when I was a corporate manager | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
at Lloyds Bank. John was a client. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
He had his loves in his life, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
he had his Tottenham Hotspur, that he loved. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
John was passionate about his music | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
and about writing and reading, but most of all he loved his music. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
Our friendship just developed from that, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
because he was unlike most customers that you have as a bank manager. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Although John was much-loved, because he died leaving no will, | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
his case was taken up by London-based heir-hunting firm | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
Fraser & Fraser. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:50 | |
The way we source our work has changed | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
dramatically over the years. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:57 | |
And now we rely a lot more on the internet. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
What caught my eye was the fact that John, during his lifetime, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
appeared to have been a successful music journalist. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:10 | |
And had also been a manager of several successful bands. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
Pull that open and have a look at these different ones. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
He discovered the '80s pop sensation Katrina And The Waves | 0:13:18 | 0:13:22 | |
and ran a promotions company called Ham Acts during the same period. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
Katrina And The Waves. They were... | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
Eurovision Song Contest winners, weren't they? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
I don't know. It's before my time, I think. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
-Yeah. 1997. -THEY LAUGH | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
Before your time. Yeah, it was before mine as well(!) | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
There's lots of tributes about Mr Gammon. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
"I shall miss his blunt sense of humour | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
"and his general love/hatred of the live industry." | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
"Just the worst news. John was an absolute one-off. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
"And the wittiest and most entertaining of company." | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
John's entry into the world of journalism | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
set him off on his path to following his dream. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
John had a number of career highlights. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
The first of which was he was extremely proud the first time | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
he got his name on a record sleeve. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
John was very content in his life. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
Yeah, he was doing what he loved doing, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
which was working from home, writing. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:15 | |
He had his circle of friends that he would meet up quite regularly, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
chat and put the world to rights with. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
And the world that John was living and working in at that time | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
was a thrilling one. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:28 | |
I think the '80s was THE most exciting time for pop music | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
and pop culture, particularly in Britain. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
You had to this incredibly rapid turnover of scenes and styles | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
and tribes. You had, you know, the 2-Tone Rude Boy movement, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
you had Goths and New Romantics. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
John Gammon's love of music came at an exciting time. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
He started off working as a manager for live bands. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
John Gammon was a live agent at a time | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
when a live agent was a pretty important thing to be. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
The received wisdom with the music industry is | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
that 20 or 30 years ago, you went on tour to sell your record. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:03 | |
Whereas now, you put a record out to sell your tour. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
MUSIC: Walking On Sunshine by Katrina And The Waves | 0:15:06 | 0:15:08 | |
And as John was pounding the streets | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
looking for bands that caught his eye, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
one rock group with its American front woman stood out to him. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
John would have discovered Katrina And The Waves in Cambridge, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
playing a local gig, because they were a local band. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
A band like Katrina And The Waves would have probably just been | 0:15:22 | 0:15:26 | |
doing the thankless thing of slogging around the local | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
live circuit, just hoping that someone like John might happen | 0:15:30 | 0:15:33 | |
to be in the room with his notebook and might happen to see them. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:37 | |
And John's hunch about Katrina And The Waves paid off. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
I think probably the highlight of John's early career would have been | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
seeing Katrina And The Waves having a huge international hit record. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
And that happened with Walking On Sunshine. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
Which...it got to the top ten in the States and the UK. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
And this is a time when record sales were at quite a peak, | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
so a number one record would be selling millions. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
But even a record at number eight or nine would still sell | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
hundreds of thousands. That would have been so satisfying, | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
to see a band that you've really invested so much of your | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
heart and soul into finally making it big. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
# Don't it feel good? # | 0:16:11 | 0:16:13 | |
In the '90s, Katrina And The Waves went on to win | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
the Eurovision Song Contest - the last British act to do so. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
In the same decade, John concentrated on his writing | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
but didn't let go of the music. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
So, in 1995, John became an investigative journalist | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
working in the music industry's trade publications. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
And his job, I suppose, would have been to explain the music industry | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
back to people working in it, to let them know what was going on. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
To give them all the kind of inside scoops on certainly what was | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
happening in the live music side of things. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
John Gammon didn't only make a successful career | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
from his love of music, he also gained respect from his peers. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
John's reputation is one of an absolute gentleman. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
And that's actually quite difficult to maintain in an industry | 0:16:57 | 0:17:01 | |
with so much backstabbing, gossip and resentment going on. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
So the fact that he managed to last for so many years in the industry | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
without making enemies and maintaining a lot of friendships | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
speaks well of him. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:15 | |
Hoping to be able to pass on an estate of some value to John's | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
next of kin, David's team members | 0:17:20 | 0:17:21 | |
began looking at the birth and death records. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
Do we know where mamma and pappa were born? | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
Coupled with the information we received from speaking with | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
some of John's neighbours and friends, we were quickly able | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
to establish that John remained a bachelor throughout his lifetime. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
And he was an only child. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
The nearest next of kin to John would be aunts and uncles | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
or cousins on both his mother and father's family. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
John's birth certificate would be the starting point | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
to unlocking the clues to his family tree. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
First, it confirmed his parents were Lizzie Eden and John William Gammon. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
They married on March 9th, 1940. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
John William Gammon, he was 26 at the time of marriage. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
He was a bachelor. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
His occupation was that he was a builder's labourer. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
Lizzie Eden, she was 24 at the time of marriage. She was a spinster. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
At this time as well, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
it was quite uncommon for women to have professions. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
So that is unfortunately left empty. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
John's parents' death certificates revealed some sad news. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
Both parents, we discovered, died in the 1960s. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
This is the death of John William Gammon. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
He was 46 years old when he died. He was quite young. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
And that was on the 23rd February 1960. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:48 | |
Just a year later, he was to lose his mother. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
Born in 1951 himself, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
this would have meant John Gammon was just a boy when he was orphaned. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
It must be very tough for a child to go through. Especially at that age. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
Research began with John's mother Lizzie's side of the family. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
We were able to establish that Lizzie was born in 1915... | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
in Newmarket. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:15 | |
And it showed that her mother's maiden name was Sennitt. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
Very unusual name. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:22 | |
So it didn't take very long for us to find | 0:19:22 | 0:19:24 | |
the marriage of Edward Eden to a Lydia Sennitt. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
Literally a year before Lizzie was born. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
From there, we then looked to see if Lizzie had other siblings, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:35 | |
i.e. aunts and uncles to the deceased. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
Now they knew they had found John's grandparents on his mother's side, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
his family tree was beginning to take shape. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
Extensive research of the birth records of both England and Wales | 0:19:47 | 0:19:51 | |
uncovered just one aunt on John's mother's side. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:55 | |
Lizzie appeared to have just one sibling called Kate, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
who was born in 1917, also in Newmarket. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
There appears to be lots of marriages for Kate Eden. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
All spread all over the country. But there is one in Cambridge. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
We've got to work on the theory that the family... | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
She's born in Newmarket, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
it's going to be the Cambridge marriage that is the right one. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
So we are fairly confident that Kate married Leonard. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
OK, so from this record that I can see right here, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
apparently he was a military man. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
Kate Eden and Frederick Thomas William Leonard were wed in 1939, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
just months before the outbreak of World War II. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
The war raged for six years, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
in which time over 60 million lives were lost. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
In 1945, towards the end of the conflict, as the British Army | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
and other Allied Forces moved into Germany, John's uncle | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
Frederick Leonard was thought to be part of the liberating forces | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
of one of the most notorious of the Nazi concentration camps. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:05 | |
The liberation of Bergen-Belsen happens right towards | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
the end of the war. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
So we are looking at April 15th, 1945. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:11 | |
Frederick Leonard arrived at Bergen-Belsen as a member | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
of the military police. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
But the camp wasn't always a death camp. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
In 1935, it was actually a military training camp for the Wehrmacht, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
the German Army. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
Then World War II starts. It's a prisoner of war camp. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
And then, towards the end of the war, 1944, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:32 | |
it becomes what's called recovery camp. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
So again, it changes its nature. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
And the idea of a recovery camp is, inmates in other camps that | 0:21:36 | 0:21:41 | |
were too ill or sick to work would be sent to Bergen-Belsen to recover. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:47 | |
But in actual fact, the title is ironic because very few of them did. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
The camp had some notable inmates suffering within its confines, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
including Anne Frank and her sister Margot. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
What British troops were faced with when they arrived | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
they would never forget. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:05 | |
There were 60,000 people at Belsen when the British got there. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:09 | |
The camp was actually only designed for 10,000, so you can imagine | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
just the overcrowding that must have been there. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
It's quite horrific. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:17 | |
Conditions in the camp were awful. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
There were two things in particular the British had to contend with. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
One was there was a massive outbreak of typhus in the camp. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
So what the British did is they placed | 0:22:25 | 0:22:28 | |
a quarantine around the camp. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
The other appalling loss | 0:22:29 | 0:22:31 | |
from death was just simply through starvation, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
because these people arrived in the camp | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
and had just been left with no provisions. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
Without actually being there, I can't imagine how horrible it was. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
But it must've been absolutely horrific. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
And I know many of the accounts of the British soldiers | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
when they first arrived, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:47 | |
they just struggled to come to terms with what was actually going on. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
And there was this dawning realisation of just what | 0:22:52 | 0:22:54 | |
they had discovered. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
While the liberation of Bergen-Belsen was unfolding, John's | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
uncle Frederick would have played an important role in proceedings. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
The military police, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
their key function is being a police for the military. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
And their job was purely with the Army, rather than with civilians. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
So the kinds of jobs that he may have been | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
doing around the camp would be guarding, patrolling, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
checking in and out of the camp, that kind of thing. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
After the camp was emptied of its abused inmates, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
the British concentrated on holding the perpetrators | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
accountable for their actions. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:31 | |
I believe about 80 guards | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
and the commandant of the camp, Josef Kramer, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
were arrested by the British | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
and the British then held a trial called the Bergen-Belsen trial | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
after the war. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
Out of the 80 guards that there were, 20 actually died from typhus. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
So the number was actually shrinking and a small number fled and escaped. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:55 | |
Kramer and the guards were convicted for their crimes. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
11, including Kramer, were sentenced to death. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
The team had John's uncle Frederick's war records | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
but now they needed to discover | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
if he and Kate had any children during the war years or soon after. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:17 | |
There's two births in Cambridge that look really spot-on | 0:24:17 | 0:24:23 | |
for the time that the parents get married. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
We've got Carl Leonard and Anthony R Leonard. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
John's first cousins, if living, would be his heirs. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
Tony Leonard was discovered alive and well and in his 70s. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
PIANO PLAYS | 0:24:42 | 0:24:44 | |
One day, out of the blue, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
I had a call to tell me that John was deceased. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:50 | |
And I was quite shocked. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
Well, it did come out of the blue, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
because John, you see, didn't tell us | 0:24:54 | 0:24:57 | |
that he was even ill. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:58 | |
Or contact any of the family. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
And none of us knew that he was ill. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
You see, that was the kind of relationship it was. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
Tony and John may have drifted apart in adulthood, | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
but in their early years, their lives were very much entwined. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:16 | |
John's parents passed away when he was about nine years old. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
His father died, then two years later, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
his mother died. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:25 | |
And he came to live with our family. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
We were turfed out of our rooms, | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
we had two single beds in the same room, and he came in the bedroom. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
But he didn't fit in too badly and we got on reasonably well. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
You know, as a family. But we were both interested in literature. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
And we discussed this quite a lot. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
We had quite a good lot of discussions on that sort of thing. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
After his troubled childhood, | 0:25:50 | 0:25:52 | |
the road wasn't always smooth for John. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
As John got into his teens, he became rebellious | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
and there was a personality clash between him and my mother. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:05 | |
And this resulted in John eventually leaving. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:11 | |
And taking lodgings... | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
And he went to Cambridge and found some lodgings there. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
As he spread his wings, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
John's passion for music and writing began to make him a name | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
and earn him a living, but he and his cousins lost touch after that. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
Tony had no news from John | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
until he received the call from the heir hunters. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
In the heir hunters' office, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
the team had also located an heir on his father's side of the family. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
Bringing the total number of heirs to three. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
The heir hunters were successful in quickly finding | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
John Gammon's beneficiaries. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
However, they didn't go on to represent them in this case. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:56 | |
What we did establish from our point of view was that John | 0:26:56 | 0:26:59 | |
appeared to live a real rock and roll lifestyle | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
and spent all his money. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
So the estate was fairly modest. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
So, from our point of view, it was nice that we were able to locate | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
family that weren't already known so they could attend the funeral. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
And John's friends made sure he had a fitting send-off. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
I found out that he would have a council funeral. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
Um... | 0:27:27 | 0:27:30 | |
I felt that he was too much of a good friend to actually let him | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
go that way. The band I was in at the time said, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
"Well, we'll do a benefit gig for John at a local pub here in Ely." | 0:27:36 | 0:27:41 | |
We had a fantastic turnout. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
It was just incredible. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
The place was just packed. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
Fantastic. You know, almost tearful, you might say. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
To just think that people would do that for a friend. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
I mean, it's hard to put into words, really. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
It restores your faith in humanity. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
-To John. -The boy Gammon. -It was a pleasure knowing you. -Cheers, John. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
-John. -To John. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:03 | |
If I'm in Ely now, it all seems strange | 0:28:03 | 0:28:04 | |
I can't ring him up and say, "What are you up to? | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
"Are you coming for a beer?" | 0:28:07 | 0:28:08 | |
But, yeah, he'll always be remembered very fondly. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 |