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Across the country heir hunters are searching | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
-for long-lost families. -Hello. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:05 | |
It's Wednesday in London | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
and just one case has landed on the heir-hunters' desk. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
It's going to be hugely competitive, | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
so it's really important that we get going quickly. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
They might be about to change someone's life. | 0:00:17 | 0:00:20 | |
This is probably one of the weirdest days I've ever had in my life. | 0:00:20 | 0:00:24 | |
I think, if I told someone about it, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:26 | |
they'd probably take me back to the loony asylum. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:29 | |
In Shropshire, emotions run high | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
after an unexpected knock at the door. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
I don't want his money. I want him. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
And that leads to a touching reunion. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
Here's to George. Ta-ra, George. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
-Cheers. -You'll be missed by all of us. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
-All the best, George. -Cheers, George. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
In London, case manager Amy Moyes has the Bona Vacantia list | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
issued by the Treasury. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:09 | |
Every day, probate genealogists, like those at Finders, | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
search for families of those who have died without any next of kin. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:17 | |
We've just had this morning's ads through. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:22 | |
There's one ad today on the list | 0:01:22 | 0:01:25 | |
and it turns out to be a property owner. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
It's the estate of the late Robert Sidney Radmall. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
I'm just working with Ryan on this. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
As soon as the lists are available, it's a race against the clock | 0:01:34 | 0:01:39 | |
for any heir-hunting firm to beat their rivals to secure any heirs. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
With only one new case today, the pressure is on. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
It's going to be hugely competitive, | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
so it's really important that we get going quickly, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
so we're just trying, at the moment, to clear off any close kin | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
and then look as quickly as we can | 0:01:57 | 0:01:59 | |
into the maternal and paternal families. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:01 | |
Mark Forrest was a close friend and work colleague of Robert Radmall, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
who died, unexpectedly, aged 59. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
I knew Robert for just under four years. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
Robert and I became very good friends. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
We used to speak quite often, two or three times a week. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
Robert lived in Hemel Hempstead, and Mark got to know him | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
when he worked on an independent film he was shooting. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
He came on board. He was assistant director. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
Um, he assisted with the lighting, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
he would assist the director of photography, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
he would help with the location. We had a different level of skill sets. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
There were some guys that were established and others not so, | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
and Robert would be the lynchpin between the two. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
Robert's promising career was tragically cut short | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
when, on the 18 August 2015, aged 59, he suddenly passed away. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:56 | |
It was a complete shock to me, complete shock to all of us, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
all of his close friends. When I first heard, I thought, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
"No, it's a mistake, obviously it's a mistake." | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
I spoke to him a few days before and we were due to meet soon, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
within the next few days. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
Yeah, complete shock. He had so much to give. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
In the offices of the heir-hunters, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
case manager Ryan Gregory has already established | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
key information about Robert. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
We were able to use the address and see that Robert lived on his own | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
since around 1992, when he moved into the property. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
We could back that up with a marriage search | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
and the initial indications suggest that Robert was a bachelor. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
So, we're not looking at a spouse. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
It's hard for us to find any children, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
given that he evidently didn't marry, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
so we're ruling out issue and a spouse for now. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
Looking at the electoral rolls for Robert Radmall, | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
we can see he's probably been living in the family home | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
and he's probably inherited that. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
When we look, historically, through the electoral rolls, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:05 | |
he's actually living with, it seems to be, his mother and father, | 0:04:05 | 0:04:11 | |
Emmeline and Sidney Radmall. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
This means that Robert's estate is likely to contain | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
the family home in Hertfordshire, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
making it a valuable asset for any potential heirs. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
Robert's parents were Sidney Alfred G Radmall and Emmeline Annie Coles. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:29 | |
They married in 1940 and had Robert, an only child, in 1956. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:36 | |
So, what we found out is that the paternal grandparents were called | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
Sidney Bertram George Radmall and Ada Elizabeth Radmall, nee Pratt. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
They married on 18th April 1915. They were living in Islington. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
This was during the First World War. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Sidney was a soldier at the time of marriage. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
Um, so, beyond that, they had Gladys in the same year and Sidney, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
who's the deceased's father, they had a few later in 1918. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
I'm looking at the maternal family, which is surname Coles, | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
so already, that's a much more common surname | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
than Radmall to be dealing with. From the records, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
it looks as though the deceased's mother was one of three siblings, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:22 | |
her brother and sister being called John and Margaret. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
So, again, they're not the greatest names to be working with. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
I was really hopeful that, as the mother was called Emmeline Annie, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
that her siblings would have equally interesting names, but they don't. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:36 | |
The deceased's father was one of three as well. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
We found Gladys A Marion Radmall, born in 1915. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
She married Thomas H State | 0:05:43 | 0:05:45 | |
but she didn't have any children with him. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
I found out that the deceased's paternal uncle, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
Ronald John H Radmall, born in 1932, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
so relatively recently in the scheme of things, he passed away in 2000. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:59 | |
He was married in 1962, | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
so I just need to find out whether he had any children. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:03 | |
Ryan discovers that Robert's aunt Gladys passed away in 1977. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
Without Robert's parents alive, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
his uncle Ronald's children will be the only heirs | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
on Robert's father's side of the family. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
The search is quickly narrowing down to only a few heirs. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
Amy is now looking at Robert's mother's side of the family. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
Her maiden name was Coles. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Uncle John Coles - looks as though he's passed away in the '80s, | 0:06:28 | 0:06:33 | |
but with a name like John Coles, I can't really tell if he's married | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
or had children until, hopefully, his death certificate gives me | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
some more info. So, I'm waiting on that. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
I then moved over to maternal aunt, Margaret. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
Now, there's a really strong possibility, I think, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
that she's alive and has moved to the Sussex area. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:54 | |
She may now be known as Peggy, rather than Margaret, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
which isn't uncommon, especially for her generation. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
She was born in the '30s. I tried a phone number for her. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
She's not answering. It's ringing out, without a machine, | 0:07:03 | 0:07:06 | |
so I can't leave a message. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:07 | |
Amy, could I get you to make some calls for me to help? | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
I think she might be a beneficiary but she's not answering. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Could you call a few neighbours and just see | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
-if she is home or not? -No problem. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
Amy's team manage to track down a neighbour. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Yes, the gentleman next door said that she's in a mobility scooter. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:31 | |
-Oh, OK. -Someone should be in. -So she's just not answering the phone. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
She's just not answering the phone. But he doesn't know | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
if she has any children or not that we could contact. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
I don't think she does. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
But he said to keep trying the phone number, | 0:07:42 | 0:07:44 | |
but he was in bed, cos he's on night shifts, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
so I woke him up but he was kind enough to let us know. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
-That's nice of him. OK. -Yeah. -Good. Thank you. Good news. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
Do you mind just seeing if you can find a Steven, with a V, R Radmall, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
born in 1962? | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
Ryan has found that Robert's uncle Ronald | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
did have a son, Steven, who lives in London. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
OK, he might be the only paternal heir. Shall I give him a call? | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
-Yes, please. -OK. -The only one? -Looks like it, yeah. -OK. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
-There's only a mobile. -OK. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
He might be engaged. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
Ryan eventually gets through | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
to what must be a very surprised Steven Radmall. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
Hello, is that Steven Radmall? Hello, there. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
With pressure mounting and the company's travelling researchers | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
already despatched in other areas, company MD Daniel | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
volunteers to go and see Steven himself. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
Case manager Amy is still trying to establish information | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
about Robert's mother's side of the family, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
his Aunt Margaret and Uncle John, to see what heirs exist there. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
If there are none, Steven Radmall could be the only heir | 0:08:51 | 0:08:54 | |
with a claim to Robert's estate, | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
and Daniel is on his way to meet him. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
DOOR ENTRY BEEPS | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
It's a frustrating wait, | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
when other heir-hunting firms will be close on Daniel's tail. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
No answer at the moment, so I'm going to ring the office | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
and see if they've got any updates or information. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
Meanwhile, Amy is on the phone to travelling rep Stuart... | 0:09:14 | 0:09:19 | |
-Amy speaking. -..who is at the home of Margaret Coles, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
which Amy is hoping is Robert Radmall's aunt. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
Oh, no! OK, OK. I'll go back to the drawing board, then. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Oh, I thought that was finished. I'll go and see who I can find. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
Speak to you later. Bye. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
Unfortunately, she's not the Margaret J Coles I'm looking for. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:44 | |
Her parents were different to the ones that we're looking for. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:49 | |
She also didn't have a brother John or a sister Emmeline. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
OK, it's going to be tricky without her birth, I think. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
Ryan and Amy are hoping to find a Margaret Coles | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
without a middle name. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:01 | |
-How about this one? Plain Margaret Coles. -Oh, yeah. Camden, OK. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:06 | |
Got taken into a care home. Died in the hospital, from a care home. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
-That could be her, couldn't it? -Yeah. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
Shall I give Daniel a call? | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
Yeah, see what he's actually doing and let him know | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
that he may well be the sole heir now, if he answers. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
This could be an interesting meeting, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:24 | |
given that the estate has been valued | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
at a quarter of a million pounds. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
Daniel's been invited into Steven's flat, but other people are arriving. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:34 | |
Are they other heir-hunting firms? | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
-You're Steven Radmall, that's correct? -Yeah. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
Can you just confirm your parents' names for me? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
Nora Radmall and Ronald Radmall. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
So, the beneficiaries will be | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
any surviving members of the Coles family | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
and any surviving members of the Radmall family. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
Now, you're an only child, I understand. Is that correct? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
-Well, I... -HE COUGHS | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
Excuse me. I have a brother, | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
but he's from my mother's first marriage so... | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
-So, a half-brother on your mother's side. -Yeah. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
So he wouldn't be entitled. He's not on the Radmall bloodline. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
So, there is a house. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
There's a property involved in Hemel Hempstead. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
-Have you ever been to Hemel Hempstead in Hertfordshire? -I have. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
So it could be that you now have a share in this property | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
and it could be, from the research we've done, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
you might even be the only heir to the estate, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
so it could be quite a decent windfall. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
This is probably one of the weirdest days I've ever had in my life | 0:11:29 | 0:11:33 | |
and I think, if I told someone about it, | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
they'd probably take me back to the loony asylum. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
It's a very interesting day. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
Steven hasn't seen his father for 20 years | 0:11:42 | 0:11:45 | |
and, as he didn't play a large part in his life, he's keen to know | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
if the heir-hunters can tell him anything more about him. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
I grew up with my mum and my brother, yeah, so that was just it. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
My dad might still be alive. I don't know. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
No, your dad passed away in 2000, in the year 2000, in Barnet. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
-He did? -He did, yeah. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
We can get a copy of his certificate and send you that, if you'd like it. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
-We can get copies of... -What did he die of, do you know? | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
We can get a copy of the certificate and send it on to you. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
-Can you do that for me? I'd like to see that. -Absolutely. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
We'll get a copy ordered from Barnet and send that on to you. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
He died in 2000? I didn't know that. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
I try not to pre-empt or guess how the person may react | 0:12:21 | 0:12:26 | |
and just deal with it in a sensitive but professional manner. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:31 | |
Steven then begins to tell Daniel about his daughter. | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
She's got this thing called craniosynostosis, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
which is quite a rare disease. Not being a medical sort of guy, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
but for the first two years of your life, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
your brain and your skull grows together and there's a gap | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
and one side wasn't growing so, eventually, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
the side that wasn't growing was going to die. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
Basically, they got her into hospital very, very quickly | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
and did the operation they had to do to save her life. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
They basically took her skull out and made a new skull. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
Steven is so passionate about the hospital's good work, | 0:13:01 | 0:13:05 | |
he then makes a staggering admission. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
I'll sign anything to say I don't want any money. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
I don't want to gain anything out of this. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Apart from Great Ormond Street seeing the benefits because... | 0:13:13 | 0:13:18 | |
-..22, 23 years, I've seen... -What they did for your daughter. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
..what they've done for my daughter | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
and they do it every day for so many young children, it's... | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
I don't want to start crying but it's really important. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:33 | |
-Yeah, definitely. -You know. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
It's been an emotional discussion for Steven, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
so Daniel leaves him to contemplate all he has found out. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
Do you a nice family tree and, fingers crossed, God willing, | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
there'll be an inheritance for you at the end of the day. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
-But it's lovely to meet you. -Very nice. -Good to see you, sir. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
-Very nice to meet you. -Best of luck. -Been an experience. -Yeah. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
Back in the office | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
and Amy is having success ruling out any heirs on Robert's mother's side. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
Although it's not conclusive today, | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
it's looking more and more likely that this is the correct death | 0:14:04 | 0:14:09 | |
for Margaret Coles, that she's a spinster without children. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
Amy's suspicions were confirmed. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
Margaret had no children and neither did John Coles, her brother. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
Steven Radmall is about to receive a very interesting update. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
I really hope he gets the money. It would be really lovely for him | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
and he wants to do some good with it, so that's even better to hear. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
And for those who knew Robert, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
his memory leaves another lasting legacy. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:38 | |
I'll miss him, yeah, of course. I miss him every day. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:42 | |
Across the country, our next case is in Shropshire, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
where the search is on for unknown heirs | 0:14:54 | 0:14:56 | |
of 68-year-old George Hawkesworth. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
He had a close circle of friends and neighbours | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
in his home town of Telford. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
George had a hell of a personality. He either got on with you | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
or he didn't. | 0:15:08 | 0:15:09 | |
If George thought you were a fool, he'd soon let you know. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
Luckily, I used to get on very well with him. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
Yeah, we had some good times, me and George. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
On 13th January 2015, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
ex-Army man George passed away, after battling a serious illness. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
None of his friends knew of any family or will, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
so the search was taken up | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
by London-based heir-hunting firm Fraser and Fraser. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
The unusual bit about this case was the name. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
I've never come across Hawkesworth | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
and usually that's a good sign, when you haven't seen a name before, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
cos it probably means it's not particularly common. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
George's death certificate revealed that he was born in Scotland, | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
so Mike began to look for any relatives north of the border. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
The first thing that we needed to do was to establish | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
whether or not George was married or had any children | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
and, after a couple of searches, it looked like he was never married | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
in England or Scotland or had any children. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
OK, cool. I will. Bye. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:12 | |
George's family was the Army. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:15 | |
He was a career soldier and rose to the rank of staff sergeant. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
He completed tours in Northern Ireland, Germany and Borneo | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
and made lifelong friends throughout his 22-year service. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
I first met George in Northern Ireland. I was posted there | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
and George and I were in a room together. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
We spent all our time in the Queen's Dragoon Guards there | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
and it was a great place to be, especially for young boys, | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
cos there was lots of beer and lots of girls, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
so we really enjoyed ourselves. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
George joined the Army when he was 18 and spent the next 22 years | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
in the illustrious 1st The Queen's Dragoon Guards, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
retiring when he was 40. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
In 1965, the regiment was posted to Borneo, | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
the largest island in Asia, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
close to Singapore and famous for its dense rainforests. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
George and I, all of us young lads, loved it | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
because we were in such an alien environment, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
at such a young age - first time I and George had travelled outside | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
the United Kingdom - and to go halfway round the world, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
nearly on the equator, weather conditions that we'd never heard of. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
I know it rains a lot in Northern Ireland but not as much as Borneo. | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
UK troops were sent to Borneo to defend it from Indonesia, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
after a new Federation of Malaysia was set up, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
which was partly under control by the British. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
One of the patrols I did with George was 16 days away from the camp. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:51 | |
That means we had to carry all our food. And we had to, um... | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
Well, we took everything with us | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
and because we couldn't smoke, because we couldn't clean our teeth, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
we couldn't wash, and we had to be quiet, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
we didn't speak to each other, except late at night. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
It was all done by sign language and clicks. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
Dave remembers he and George befriending the locals | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
and developing a soft spot for some of the animals. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:22 | |
When George and I were on patrol, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
we came across a orang-utan female that had been shot, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
and clinging to her breast, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
was a small baby orang-utan which we tried to rescue. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
We realised that we couldn't feed it properly, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
so we radioed for baby formula milk, baby bottles and teats | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
and we were able, then, to feed this baby orang-utan | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
and carry it back to civilisation | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
and hand it over to the authorities. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
Cheers. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:54 | |
At the heir-hunters' office, for case manager Mike Pow, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
the unusual surname of Hawkesworth | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
made finding George's parents relatively easy, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
through birth and death records. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
Mike established that George also didn't have any brothers or sisters. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
The parents of the deceased, we learnt, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
were a Rose Docherty and a George English Hawkesworth. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:18 | |
The mother of the deceased was an aircraft fitter in Paisley, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
which was in 1945. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
In the Second World War, | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
Rose Guthrie worked making parts to kit out the interior of planes. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
Living in Paisley, Scotland, which had a strong textile industry, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
she transferred her skills from fabric-making | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
to industrial factory work. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
One of the new, innovative things that came in | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
in the Second World War was conscription for women. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
Women between the ages of 20 and 40 who hadn't got children under 14, | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
were called up to work either in factories, like Rose did, | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
in the locality, if they were married, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
or maybe they would go into the forces. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
As part of conscription, women had to choose | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
whether to enter the armed forces or work in farming or industry. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
By December 1943, one in three factory workers was female. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:16 | |
They were building planes, tanks, guns | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
and making ammunition needed for the war. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
She's looking at light industrial work, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
in what was probably a very big factory. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
It would have been a small part of the job. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
What they did was to use very specialised bits of labour | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
so, instead of learning and going through a lengthy apprenticeship, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
you would learn just one tiny bit of the task. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
Unfortunately, that made it particularly tedious | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
cos it was very repetitive. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
But it would have been a very important job | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
and numerous women, like her, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
by being moved into this different part of industry, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
not in what you would call garment trades or luxury production, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
but into really important war work, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:55 | |
contributed enormously to the war effort. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:58 | |
After the war, Rose worked as a civil servant for the MOD | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
until she retired. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
For the heir-hunters | 0:21:04 | 0:21:05 | |
and their search for potential heirs to George's estate, | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
it was Rose's side of the family | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
that case worker Mike Pow delved into next. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:14 | |
The grandmother of the deceased, Rose Ann Docherty, | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
married John Guthrie in 1915. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
George's parents were Rose Docherty and George Hawkesworth. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
Rose's mother, Rose Ann Docherty, married John Guthrie. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
They had an incredible 12 children over a 21-year period. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:33 | |
Interestingly, John's name is not actually | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
on Rose's birth certificate, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
making her brothers and sisters half-blood siblings by law. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
This meant that if full-blood aunts and uncles could be established, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
her siblings would not be entitled. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
So we knew that there were 11 aunts and uncles of the deceased | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
who were issue from the marriage of Rose Docherty and John Guthrie. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
We had a quick look to see if any of them died when they were young | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
and only one died, so we knew there were going to be | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
at least ten aunts and uncles who possibly survived and had children, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
or were still alive and would be beneficiaries. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
-I spoke to her. -Right. -She phoned in. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
One of those was Mary McNally, Rose's youngest sister by 21 years. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:17 | |
The heir-hunters traced her | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
and gave her the news about her nephew George. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:22 | |
At first I was shocked. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
I said, "No, I don't think so. He's younger than me, you know." | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
Mary was close to her sister Rose, but because of the wide age gap, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
as George's aunty, she was only six years older than him. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
I remember George well, you know. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
I was in Scotland at the time he was born. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
I remember him coming home from the hospital with his mum | 0:22:43 | 0:22:48 | |
and I took him out. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:49 | |
At that time, he was only a little tiny thing, you know, | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
so my mum put him here, she put a blanket round me | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
and I took him outside | 0:22:59 | 0:23:01 | |
and I was walking round the streets with him in this little shawl. | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
It was so funny. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:06 | |
Mary remembers George as a typical boisterous young boy. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:12 | |
When he was a kid, he was a funny wee thing at times. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
He was always, maybe, hiding. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
He'd be hiding and saying, "Where am I?", things like that. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
And he'd jump out at you, frighten the life out of you. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
He was a wee rascal. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
Mary and her daughter Carol didn't know George as an adult. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:34 | |
She lost touch with him | 0:23:34 | 0:23:35 | |
when he moved away from Scotland with his mother. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
I did see him quite a lot when we went on holiday | 0:23:38 | 0:23:43 | |
and, I mean, that was it. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:46 | |
And then, the last time I seen him was at his mum's funeral. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
And then we lost contact, which was a shame. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
Mary is one of 16 heirs to George's estate. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
Whatever we're getting, I think it should... | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
It would be nice for it to go to something to do with the Army, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
instead of...I mean... | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
I don't want his money. I want him. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
But... | 0:24:18 | 0:24:19 | |
I don't know. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
Sad, sad, sad. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:25 | |
For case manager Mike Pow, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
having searched George's mother's family history for potential heirs, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
he now needed to complete the whole family picture. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
We'll keep our fingers crossed | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
that there's not too many stems on that side. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:42 | |
The next stage was trying to work out the paternal side of the family, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
so the deceased's father, George English Hawkesworth, | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
to see if he had any brothers and sisters | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
who may have had children, in turn, who would be beneficiaries. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
Do you want to try him first? | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
Mike struggled to locate the birth certificate of George's father, | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
but after an exhaustive search through records, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
Mike eventually found one, but it posed more problems than it solved. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
Once we had the name of the father, George English Hawkesworth, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
we thought it would be a relatively easy name to research, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
as the combination is not particularly common. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:18 | |
However, we immediately hit a bit of a stumbling block | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
when it appeared that George was born illegitimately. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
He wasn't born with the surname Hawkesworth, | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
he was born as George English McKinnon, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
and the birth certificate states he was born illegitimately | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
to Sarah McKinnon, who would have been his mother. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
With both George's parents unusually being born illegitimately, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
all relatives are equally entitled. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
Now they would have to change tack | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
and search for George Senior's original birth name of McKinnon. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:49 | |
This could mean a longer and more difficult search. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
Yes, perfect. Thank you. Take care now. Bye-bye. Bye. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
Eventually, they did manage to piece this complicated jigsaw together. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
George's grandmother, Sarah McKinnon, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
married Herbert Hawkesworth on New Year's Eve in 1917, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:10 | |
in Paisley, Scotland. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:12 | |
George English McKinnon was just four years old | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
when his name was changed. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
The marriage produced further children, | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
meaning the possibility of more aunts and uncles for George Junior. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
Mike's research finds that on George's father's side, | 0:26:24 | 0:26:29 | |
only one of George's aunts and uncles is still alive | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
and one cousin. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
In total we've located around 18 beneficiaries. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
We worked out that there were 16 on the maternal side of the family | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
and only two on the paternal side of the family. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:43 | |
Now the case is closed, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
George's effects have been sent to his aunt, Mary, | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
who is one of his closest living relatives. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
Look at the size of him! What is he like? | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
This must have been one of the official... | 0:26:57 | 0:26:59 | |
He shouldn't have been in that photo, look, he's so tiny. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:03 | |
..official dinners or something. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
-He's funny, isn't he? -Ah, that's nice. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:09 | |
-That is a nice one. -That is lovely, actually. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
Many of the photos and records Mary received | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
show the 15 years George spent as a tank instructor. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
Since George's relatives have all been found, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
his friends are getting together to remember him. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
George got a commendation. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
I believe he was guard commander and a recruit stole a tank | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
and the guy didn't open the doors of the hangar. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
He just drove straight through the hangar doors. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
George jumped in the Land Rover with the duty driver | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
and hightailed it over the tank park. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
But George climbed from the Land Rover onto the moving tank - | 0:27:42 | 0:27:47 | |
no mean feat for HIS physique - pressed the switch, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
cut the engine and he dragged him out. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
I think he spent the night in jail. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:55 | |
That's quite an honour, a general officer's commendation. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
First I've heard of it. I didn't know anything about it. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:01 | |
Pretty brave man to do that, I think. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
-Here's to George. Ta-ra, George. -Cheers. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:06 | |
-You'll be missed by all of us. -All the best, George. -Cheers George. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
-Cheers. -Gone but not forgotten. -Yeah, definitely not forgotten. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:13 |