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-Today... -I think I found someone. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:03 | |
..Heir Hunters battle the competition on a tricky case... | 0:00:03 | 0:00:07 | |
We're actually really stuck. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:08 | |
I don't have a clue what's going on. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:10 | |
Coming down. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:11 | |
..the tough lives of family ancestors are explored... | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
He'd be down here on his hands and knees with a shovel, | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
cleaning it out manually, | 0:00:17 | 0:00:18 | |
so that'd be an absolutely disgusting place to be. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
That's 5,869 results. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
..while in Wales, on a case with a common surname, | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
the search becomes epic... | 0:00:27 | 0:00:28 | |
It comes up with over 3,000 marriage searches. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
..and it uncovers the story of an infamous battle. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
We're talking about a ship going up in flames, with major explosions. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
It's all in a day's work for the Heir Hunters. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
When it comes to finding heirs, | 0:00:55 | 0:00:57 | |
sometimes what should be the most straight-forward of family trees | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
can be complicated purely by the name... | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
and everyday surnames can be the worst, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
especially if it's the second most common name in the UK. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Surnames like Smith, Jones, Evans - | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
very difficult to research and very difficult to research | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
in particular areas as well. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:16 | |
The sheer volume of records makes it very difficult to pinpoint | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
exactly which record is correct. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
So when it came to tracing relatives of retired gardener Keith Jones, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
the team knew they'd have their work cut out. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
Keith died at home in Cardiff at the age of 75. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:37 | |
He was known locally as a nice man | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
but one who liked to keep himself to himself. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
We've only lived here about 18 months, | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
so Keith was the chap that lived next door. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
I wouldn't say that we knew him particularly well. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
I think he was just a private chap. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
He has a large garden | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
that had got quite overgrown, | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
but there's some really nice trees and plants in there, | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
so clearly at some stage he took a lot of pride in it. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:01 | |
But I guess in recent years he hasn't done so much with it | 0:02:01 | 0:02:04 | |
and unfortunately it got a bit overgrown. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:06 | |
Whilst respecting Keith's privacy, Owen was a considerate neighbour. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
We'd been sort of keeping an eye on Keith to check that he was OK | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
and doing OK and there was a few days in a row | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
where we hadn't sort of seen or heard of him | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
and obviously the police came to investigate and found that | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
he'd passed away, unfortunately. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Keith hadn't made a will and had no known next of kin, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
so his case was advertised as unclaimed. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Do you want to just open it fully? | 0:02:34 | 0:02:36 | |
-That is fully. -Is it? | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
And in London, the team at Fraser & Fraser | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
got straight on the case. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:42 | |
If it's a Government Legal Department case, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
we know there are going to be other people looking into the matter, | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
so it's going to be competitive | 0:02:47 | 0:02:48 | |
and when we fist looked into where he was last residing, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:51 | |
we couldn't find any information about his address. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
To assess whether it was a case worth working, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
the team needed to know the value of Keith's estate, | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
which meant trying to find out if he'd owned his house in Cardiff. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:04 | |
-There was two addresses, wasn't there? -Both. -Both. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
And that would prove unusually tricky. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
We can usually get things up-to-date, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
ie address, quite instantaneously, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
but, this one, we couldn't for some reason and I was thinking | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
was it something to do with how common Jones was as a name? | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
We had to actually purchase the death certificate to work out | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
where he lived and, from that, we worked that he actually | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
owned the property and it was an estate that we would look into. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:32 | |
With the property estimated to be worth around £250,000, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
Ben hit the go button and researcher Sinead began the daunting task | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
of searching for Joneses. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:44 | |
At the start of each case, what you would do is you look for a birth. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
Keith Jones obviously is quite a common name, being Jones, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
and he's living in Wales at the time of his death. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:56 | |
So more than likely he's going to be from Wales with the surname Jones. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
So what I did to start off with is I found his birth. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
Now, Keith was born in 1941 in Cardiff. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
Having found a record of Keith's birth, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
Sinead could now find out who his parents were. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
And from that I found his mother's maiden name was Briscombe, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
so I could find a marriage for his parents... | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
..which I did find in 1939 in Cardiff | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
for Alice Briscombe and Eli Jones. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
Next the team needed to find out if his Keith's parents, Alice and Eli, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:35 | |
had any other children. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
We conducted another search for any other siblings, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
full-blood siblings of Keith. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
We were not able to locate any. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
But one detail immediately caught the team's attention. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
Eli is almost ten years older than his wife. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
So he's around 40 when the deceased is born. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
The team now wondered if Eli may have been married before. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
But when they looked at the certificate of his marriage | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
to Alice, they got more than they bargained for. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Both lists them as being previously married. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
So Eli Jones is a widower | 0:05:11 | 0:05:13 | |
and Alice May Kruger, formerly Briscombe, is a divorcee, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
so this instantly says to us, well, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
there could be children from their first marriage. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:21 | |
So this is something that we need to look into straightaway before we go | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
back to cousins, because they have a prior claim as half-blood siblings. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
Alice's first husband had the unusual surname of Kruger | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
so the team were quickly able to search for any potential children, | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
but it turned out they hadn't had any. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Check around that area to start off with, cos if he's going to | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
marry young he's going to probably marry around that area. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
With that line of inquiry exhausted, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
the team turned their attentions to Keith's father, Eli Jones, | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
and it was looking like a nightmare task. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
To look for a marriage... | 0:05:52 | 0:05:54 | |
..if I put in just a simple search into a search engine | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
just to see if there are any marriages, and just put Eli Jones, | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
marriage maybe between 1912, when he's 16, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
up to 1939, before he marries Alice, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
and then do that as a kind of search, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
it comes up with over 3,000 marriage searches. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
And, well... | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
I'm not going to be able to go through all of them in one day. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
With such a common name, the team were hoping they could focus | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
their search on one small area, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
and Eli's career would give them a significant lead. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
Eli Jones is listed age 42, | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
his occupation is also listed as a motor lorry driver. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
During World War I, Eli had served as a driver for the Royal Fleet Arm. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:45 | |
In 1918, he was discharged on medical grounds, | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
but his driving skills soon came in handy back in Wales, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
where he took a job delivering barrels of beer. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
In the 1920s, a lot of breweries were still using horse-drawn drays | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
but the problem was | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
in the First World War a lot of horses got called up | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
for the front and didn't come back. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
After the First World War, | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
they started selling off the Army surplus vehicles | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
so a lot of petrol-driven lorries, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
even steam-driven lorries, started coming in as well in the 1920s and, | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
carrying on after the First World War, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
it would have been petrol and diesel lorries there. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Men who delivered beer were known as draymen and it was a job | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
that required strength and skill. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
It was a manual job, it was a physical job. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
You had to be fit for it and move those heavy barrels around, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
but in the 1920s, 1930s, everyone was lucky to have a job. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
The barrels they would have used 100 years ago were made of wood | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
and this is a 54-gallon barrel. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
Takes a bit of handling. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
Wooden barrel. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
Whereas today, we use the nine-gallon firkin. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
So 9 gallons, 54 gallons - a lot easier to use. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
Of course it's plastic as well. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
Draymen could drive, but they didn't have to be literate. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
There are stories of them just making chalk marks on the door | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
of the cellar, rather than writing it down in a book | 0:08:11 | 0:08:15 | |
or giving a receipt. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:16 | |
Everything's done with receipts nowadays | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
but that wasn't the case 100 years ago. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
Crucially for the Heir Hunters, though, Eli spent his career | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
as a drayman working for a local brewery called Ely's | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
and he stayed in the Pontypridd area. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
It's really going to help me narrow down the marriages in that area | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
and I can go through them and find one that probably | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
could be Eli's first marriage. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
And Sinead soon made the vital breakthrough. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:47 | |
So I looked back at Eli and found he was married before | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
and that his wife, Ivy, had died in 1933 in Cardiff. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:56 | |
What we found is there's an Ivy Jones | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
that passes away at the age of 32. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
She is Eli's wife... | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
and obviously dies quite young. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:09 | |
But the key question was whether they'd had any children | 0:09:11 | 0:09:13 | |
who would be Keith's half siblings. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
Eli's been left with a number of children - | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
one daughter and a few sons. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
So he's now looking after these young children | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
without his wife. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
Eli and Ivy had five children | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
and, tragically, Ivy died just nine months | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
after the youngest, Marjorie, was born. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
In theory, these children, or their descendants, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
would be heirs to Keith's estate. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
But the team needed to know what had happened to them after Ivy's death. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
I think times back in the '30s, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:47 | |
just after the Depression, were very tough times. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
If you were going to lose one parent back then, | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
very difficult for the family to stay together. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
Obviously one person has to work to support | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
and, without having that family unit, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
kids were either given out to family members or put into care. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
But the crucial question for Ben and the team | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
was whether they'd been adopted out of the family. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
When adopted, an individual loses their entitlement | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
to inherit from that family | 0:10:14 | 0:10:16 | |
but gains the right to inherit from their new family. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:20 | |
Were the team closing in on five potential heirs | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
or were they about to find out they were back to square one? | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
It's 9am and in London, heir hunting firm Finders International | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
are working on new cases from the government's Bona Vacantia list | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
of unclaimed estates. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
There's three property cases today, three of us in the office so far, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
three property cases, so that's one each. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:45 | |
So I'm just trying to work out who the cases should go to. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
Estates which include a property | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
are often worth hundreds of thousand of pounds. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
Hi, Danny. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
Case manager Ryan Gregory will be facing stiff competition | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
from rival firms in finding heirs to these estates... | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
..so recruits researcher Holly to help him work one of cases. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
I'm looking into the case of Daisy Charlwood. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
I've just managed to locate her birth record. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
She had no children, so I'm now having to look to see | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
if she had any brothers or sisters at all. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
Daisy Charlwood was born in the seaside town of Hastings in 1919. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:27 | |
She moved to London and worked as a book-keeper for most of her life. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
Although this photo survives, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:33 | |
it seems she was a private person | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
and not widely known in the community. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
She retired to Sidcup on the outskirts of London | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
and lived on this street for 20 years. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
Daisy passed away in 2008, aged 92. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
Despite having been married three times, including to Fred Charlwood, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
she had no children and left no will. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
Thank you. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
So back in the office, the hunt is on, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
and the team have important news of the case's value. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
We think it's probably worth about £400,000. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:08 | |
Daisy is now Ryan's number one priority, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:10 | |
so to find her heirs, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
the team need to work out as fast as possible who her parents were. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
But they stumble at the first hurdle. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:19 | |
At the moment, I can't find a marriage for the parents, | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
-for Daisy. -Right, OK. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
I've ruled out... There's no kids with either of these marriages. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
There was a gentleman living at this address with her. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
-OK. -So I don't know whether it's worth sending a rep. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
I think we'll send a rep anyway at this stage. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
Try and work it through like that. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
Sometimes on a case we send a representative | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
to the last known address of the person who's passed away. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
This is important for us. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
It can give us some leads into the wider family. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
Like-wise it can help us with a bit of information | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
which would indicate there is close kin. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
Obviously if there's close kin, it'd stop doing a lot of unnecessary | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
researching into the wider family. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
Hi, there. I was just wondering | 0:13:02 | 0:13:04 | |
if you were free to do a visit for me this morning? | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
The team have an army of travelling researchers | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
and one of them is Howard Kleinberg. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
Today he's on his way to Daisy's former property. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Well, we look at knocking on the doors of neighbours. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
We try the actual address, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
because the people who sometimes take over an address | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
know something of the previous residents. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
Resident permit holders only. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
Howard could find out vital clues from neighbours. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
Really sorry to trouble you, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
but we're doing a thing about Daisy Charlwood who lived across the way. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
Did you know her at all? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
No. I see. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:45 | |
OK. All right, sorry to trouble you. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
Thank you. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:49 | |
Despite an unpromising start, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
suddenly Howard finds one of Daisy's friends. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
I'm actually looking for... | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
I know, sadly, Daisy Charlwood passed. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
We was just trying to find out more about her | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
to track through her family. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
Well, the person we did meet was someone who'd lived with her | 0:14:05 | 0:14:07 | |
for quite a number of years, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
in fact, for the latter part of her life, was her carer | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
and looked after her and took her out on trips, even. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
They used to go on coach trips to places they used to like, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
but he had limited knowledge of her family before he met her. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
She was born in Hastings. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
No siblings. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
No brothers or sisters. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
Sadly not many people that could talk of her now. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
In the office, the team are looking into Daisy's wider family. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
Could you just check and see | 0:14:35 | 0:14:36 | |
if there's any other kids that we're missing on this? | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
But they've hit a major road block. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:40 | |
They cannot find any trace of the parents' names | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
and they won't be able to further the research without them. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
I can't find much on her, so we might need to get the birth. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
They urgently need Daisy's birth certificate, | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
so Holly calls the register office immediately. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
I was wondering whether you did a priority service at all | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
for any copy certificates? | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
Ryan desperately needs this information | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
to get the hunt underway. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:05 | |
So they're going to do the birth the same day. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
They said within an hour. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:10 | |
Within an hour, that's as good as we can expect. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
I'm going to try and have a look for... | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
Have a look through some of the marriages for the parents. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
OK. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:19 | |
In the meantime, the only snippets of information | 0:15:20 | 0:15:22 | |
they have to work with | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
are that Daisy's father's surname was Russell | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
and her mother's name was Brewster. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:28 | |
-Was there any Russell marriages? -There were loads. -Was there loads? | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
-Just in Hastings? -Yeah. There were 67. -Really? | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
OK, all right, that's going to be a bit of a nightmare then. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:38 | |
Ryan gives Holly a hand and checks through possible marriage records | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
for Brewsters and Russells. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:44 | |
Did you check out Brewster with an "er"? | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
Um, I think I clicked name differences. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
I'm not saying this is right, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
but there's two marriages of Russells to Brewsters. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
Ryan thinks he's found two possible marriage records for people | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
who could be Daisy's parents. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
I've got his death. That could be those two. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
That looks to me like it might be spelt wrong. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
-It might be, yeah. -Brewster. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
So, let's... We'll go with this until the cert comes in. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
Yeah, I'm about to call them now. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
He's narrowed it down to one couple, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
but it will only be confirmed | 0:16:24 | 0:16:26 | |
when he gets Daisy's full birth certificate | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
with both her parents' names on it. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
So, quite often when you're researching a family tree, | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
the information you need isn't necessary readily available. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
Quite often you have to use a hunch or an educated guess | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
in order to step over the problem in hand. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:42 | |
Ryan thinks one marriage from 1919 is correct | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
between a Daisy Blanche Brewster and a Frederick W Russell in Bromley, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
a few miles from where Daisy Charlwood lived most of her life. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
Despite not having confirmation this is correct, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Ryan takes a risk and ploughs ahead, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
looking at Daisy's mother's family. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
If the marriage I found on this is correct, it's going to be huge. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
The mum was one of eight in 1911... | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
..which can be a good thing. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
We don't necessarily have any confirmation that it's correct. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
It could be a massive waste of time in terms of, you know, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:22 | |
we're going to have to pull everyone into it now. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
It's a huge gamble. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
Ryan will have to work both sides of the family tree at the same time, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
all based on guesswork. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
I would say this is probably 98% correct. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
I'll take that risk and say that. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
We'll do any other possibilities as well. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Ryan raises the stakes even further and gets the whole team involved. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
How's it going with everyone else? | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
It's OK, but not great. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
While he and Camilla look into Daisy's mother's family of Brewster, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
he calls in researchers Holly and Ellie to investigate | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
the father's side as quickly as possible. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
So, I'm still trying to put it on the starter tree, | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
but could you look into the paternal side? | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
Sorry. Surname Russell. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
Frederick W Russell. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:08 | |
Research is difficult as Russell is a very common name. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:11 | |
So, the surname Russell is up there with one of the hardest surnames | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
for us to be researching. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
Could you look for this lady? | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
If you have a commonly occurring surname, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
you have to order more certificates, | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
you probably have to be more particular | 0:18:22 | 0:18:24 | |
about the areas you're looking at. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
The surname can slow us down a bit. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
But the team think they have identified a Frederick W Russell | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
who lived in Greenwich. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
We think we have identified her father, | 0:18:37 | 0:18:38 | |
so I'm trying to look through the censuses to find out | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
how many brothers and sisters he may have, if any at all. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
Holly finds the Frederick living in Greenwich | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
may have had at least five siblings - | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
a big family to research. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:51 | |
With Daisy's mother's side looking large as well, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
Ryan's gamble is getting bigger and bigger. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
Presumably there's going to be 20, 30, 40 beneficiaries, | 0:18:58 | 0:19:03 | |
so this one were going to start working now, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:05 | |
we're going to need everyone in the team to look into | 0:19:05 | 0:19:07 | |
the maternal and paternal side. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
It's a huge family, so we're not quite sure at the minute | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
whether some lines will die out. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
Ryan is playing with fire. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
If he's picked the wrong parents to investigate, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
his whole team will have wasted a morning's research. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
But if he's guessed correctly, | 0:19:22 | 0:19:23 | |
he could be miles ahead of the competition. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
There'll definitely be another couple of companies on it. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
We just never know. I mean, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:29 | |
this is always the same thing for day one for a search. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:32 | |
We just have to throw everything at it. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
And Ryan thinks he has made a breakthrough on the mother's side | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
as he's found an elderly cousin. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
Speaking to them will confirm if he's researched the correct family, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:45 | |
and whether his gamble has paid off. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
I'm just about to ring back | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
the only beneficiary we've found so far on her mum's side of the family. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
I rang him earlier and he was engaged. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
Then I rang back and there was no answer so I left a message. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
If someone's engaged, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
the first thought is they're speaking to a competitor. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
As he's the only beneficiary, we need to talk to him. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
He's on the phone again. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:09 | |
Hello, good morning. Sorry to bother you again. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
We'd be really keen for us to give you a few more details. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
Thank you very much. Bye-bye. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
So, yeah engaged again. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
So, three times I've rung, twice he's been engaged, | 0:20:23 | 0:20:28 | |
once I've left... I've left two messages now so | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
I think I'll leave it there. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:32 | |
Without speaking to heirs, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
the team have no idea whether they're working the right family. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
Would it be able to be read to me over the phone? | 0:20:39 | 0:20:42 | |
But there's a glimmer of hope. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
I've just heard back from the registry office in Hastings | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
and they've confirmed that the birth certificate was correct | 0:20:47 | 0:20:50 | |
and the parents that we we're looking into was correct as well, | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
so we know that we're on the right track now. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
But the team's excitement is short-lived. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
OK, that's bad... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:02 | |
While the birth certificate confirms they definitely have the right names | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
for the parents, it now looks like they may have looked at | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
the wrong family for the father. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:12 | |
Let's forget about everything we've done on Russell so far. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
The family they had researched for Frederick Russell, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
based in Greenwich, is wrong and they have to start again. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
A little bit stressful. We've just had to scrap the Russell side | 0:21:21 | 0:21:25 | |
of the family that we were doing. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
Will Ryan be able to make up for lost time? | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
I'm actually really stuck. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:31 | |
We don't know if it's wrong but if it's right... | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
Anyway, we need to figure it out. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:35 | |
Every year in Britain, thousands of people get a surprise knock on | 0:21:39 | 0:21:43 | |
the door from the Heir Hunters. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
I was quite shocked because I didn't realise that there was | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
anybody in the family that we could inherit from any more. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
But there are still thousands of unsolved cases | 0:21:52 | 0:21:54 | |
where heirs need to be found. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
Today, we've got details of two estates | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
on the Government Legal Department Bona Vacantia list | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
that have yet to be cracked. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
Could you be the heirs they're looking for? | 0:22:03 | 0:22:05 | |
The first case on the list is Amelia Lilian Rissone. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
She was born on the 19th of November 1905 | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
in London, and died in Camden in 1998 as a spinster. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:20 | |
It's likely Amelia had Italian ancestry. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
Do you have Italian blood and a Rissone in your family? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
Could you be the person the Heir Hunters are looking for? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
The next case is Edwin Queen, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
who was born on the 29th of March 1922 in London | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
and died aged 70 in Crawley, West Sussex. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
His parents were William Henry Queen | 0:22:42 | 0:22:45 | |
and Mary Ann Queen. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:46 | |
Do you recognise the unusual surname of Queen? | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
Do you know anything that could help solve the cases | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
of Edwin Queen and Amelia Rissone? | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
Perhaps you could be the next of kin | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
and, if so, you could have thousands of pounds coming your way. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
In the case of bachelor Keith Jones, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
the team at Fraser & Fraser were tantalisingly close | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
to finding their first heirs. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
I just put in Eli Jones. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
They'd located five potential half siblings | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
but were trying to find out what had happened to them after their mother | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
died, leaving father Eli on his own. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
If they'd been adopted out of the family, | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
they'd be ruled out of the search. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
But luckily for the team, it was a very different story. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
When Ivy passed away, the family were placed with her family. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
Eli would obviously have to try and support five people | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
and work at the same time, | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
so they were given to the maternal extended family. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
It was great news for the team and meant they could now focus their | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
attentions on tracing Keith's half siblings or their descendants. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
One of them was William. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
William George Jones was born in 1921 in Pontypridd. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
A search of records revealed that William had joined the Royal Navy | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
and, during the Second World War, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
he was a gunner on a ship called HMS Rodney. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
With regard to the roles that William Jones would have undertaken | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
as a gunner, the Rodney would have had | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
40mm quick firing anti-aircraft guns, QF2s, | 0:24:33 | 0:24:38 | |
and those would have performed roles | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
in defending the Rodney against potential attacks. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
And William's skills became vital as the battle for naval superiority | 0:24:44 | 0:24:49 | |
intensified in the early 1940s. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
Winston Churchill is said to have said that the only thing | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
that worried him was the Battle of the Atlantic. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:59 | |
The German Navy when now attempting to bring their major warship to bear | 0:24:59 | 0:25:05 | |
to threaten what was happening with the Royal Navy. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
The most feared of those German warships was the Bismarck. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
Bismarck was commissioned in 1940. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
It only had an eight-month service life, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:19 | |
but it was an extremely modern, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
well equipped and well armed ship. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
It was a threat to British shipping | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
and the British Navy in the North Sea and potentially the Atlantic. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
In May 1941, a British flotilla, including HMS Rodney, | 0:25:35 | 0:25:40 | |
was scrambled to the Denmark Strait | 0:25:40 | 0:25:42 | |
to take on the mighty Bismarck. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
But first blood went to the Germans. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
The first major engagement with HMS Prince of Wales and HMS Hood | 0:25:47 | 0:25:54 | |
saw the Prince of Wales have to scuttle away, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
and we see the Hood sunk. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
But the remaining British ships, including the Rodney, fought on. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:04 | |
William Jones and his crew mates, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
although they may have been exhilarated by the prospect | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
of battle, may also have been fearful for their lives. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
It was a ship with a reputation for its armament and speed | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
and, knowing what it had done to the Hood, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
there was always a possibility that other ships | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
would suffer the same fate. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
Two days into the battle, though, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
the British ships began to strike back and, as a gunner, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
William had a front-row seat. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
He would have had a pretty clear view of the damage | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
being caused to the Bismarck. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
We're talking about a ship going up in flames, | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
with major explosions causing a huge amount of damage. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
The Bismarck was eventually overcome, | 0:26:47 | 0:26:50 | |
and sank on the 27th of May 1941. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
It was a significant victory for British forces but, tragically, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
more than 2,000 men lost their lives. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
During his time in the Navy, it appears William met his wife, | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
a radar operator. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:10 | |
Early on in their marriage, they moved to South Africa, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
which caused some headaches for the team. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:15 | |
This brought up quite a few issues. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
Very strict privacy laws over there | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
to trace family members of individuals. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
The team established that William had passed away in 1986. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:30 | |
The question was whether he'd had any children who would be heirs. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
So, I've been looking into his family to see if he gets married, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
has any children, and what I've been able to find is I've actually | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
been able to find a death certificate for him in South Africa | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
and a death certificate for his wife. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
Unfortunately, his death certificate is actually in Afrikaans. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
So, what I have got here is the death certificate | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
for Dorothy Marie Jones, | 0:27:56 | 0:27:57 | |
who was the wife of William George Jones. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
This one is actually in English, unlike her husband. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
It lists the date of birth being the 19th of the 10th, 1925, | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
her date of death on the 30th of the 3rd, 1981, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
that she was of nationality South African, she was a housewife, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
and he's listed there four children. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
All right, then. Cheers. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
It was the news they'd been hoping for | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
and, as they began contacting William's children in South Africa, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
they made a quirky discovery. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
When we contacted William's family in South Africa, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
his first-born had the middle name of Rodney. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:37 | |
The team had now started signing their first heirs, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
and they were making positive progress closer to home. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
We know that from the first marriage of the deceased's father | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
there were five children. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
One of them is still alive, | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
so he will be entitled to a fifth of the estate. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
He is very elderly and, in that instance, | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
what we usually do is find sons and daughters of that individual | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
to speak to them directly. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:04 | |
Obviously, in this case, he is a half-blood sibling | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
and it shouldn't be me to give that information over to him. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
Next, Ben turned his attention to the eldest of the five, Gwendoline. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
Half-blood sister Gwendoline Louvaine Jones, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
born in 1919. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:19 | |
She married a Gilbert Seaborne in 1937 and had six children. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
One of those children was Roger, | 0:29:26 | 0:29:28 | |
and Ben was able to track him down and deliver the surprise news. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:33 | |
I mean, I knew my cousins. I'd met most of my cousins before. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
It was the cousins in South Africa that were a bit of a mystery. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:42 | |
I think I first met Keith around about 1967, possibly '68. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:50 | |
I was with my late brother, Glyn, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
so we were chatting to this chap and I remember him saying, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
"Oh, that's our uncle." | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
I went, "Oh, why didn't you tell me you had been speaking to him?" | 0:30:01 | 0:30:06 | |
Yeah, he seemed a very pleasant chap. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
He obviously knew my elder brother. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
Then I bumped into him again in the '70s some time. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
I think I might have bumped into him in the '80s | 0:30:17 | 0:30:20 | |
and then the last time I saw him was at a wedding | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
which would have been around 1990. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:25 | |
They were quite a disjointed family. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
For case manager Ben, contacting Roger would prove invaluable. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
So when we're looking into a Jones family, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
we're always hoping that someone knows about the family. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
Roger was able to confirm that, once his grandmother had passed away, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
his grandfather Eli went on to marry | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Alice May Kruger, nee Briscombe. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
That just made sure and confirmed that we were on the right track | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
and, from that point, we were able to really get our teeth into | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
finding the other half-blood sibling descendants. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
Ultimately, the team were able to trace a total of 18 heirs | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
to the estimated £250,000 estate. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
But for Roger, the inheritance is tinged with regret. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
I just felt a bit sorry that nobody from the family was at the funeral. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:18 | |
Myself and my cousin Debbie went to the coroners inquest, you know, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
cos we thought somebody from the family should be there. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
A great shame, really. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:29 | |
But you can't turn back the clock and change things. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
Yeah, I'll keep going with it. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
Back in London, it's midday and heir hunting company Finders | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
are three hours into their search | 0:31:48 | 0:31:49 | |
for heirs to the estate of Daisy Charlwood. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
I've got her birth now, so hopefully we can find her. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:54 | |
Daisy was a war widow | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
who lived in Sidcup on the outskirts of London for most of her life | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
and passed away aged 92. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
Very few people knew Daisy and records are limited | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
so the team have been forced to work on a series of hunches. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
-If you print that out, actually, I can start having a look. -OK. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
But one vital guess proved a disastrous mistake. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:16 | |
The team had wasted precious hours looking into the wrong family of | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
Daisy's father, Frederick W Russell, based in Greenwich. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
We're currently just trying to figure out | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
which is the right family, the dad. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
There are lots of potential Frederick Williams it could be, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:35 | |
so really just trying to figure out the right one, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
which is posing a bit of a struggle at the moment. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
I don't have a clue what's going on. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
Worried they are behind the competition, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
the whole team are looking for the correct Frederick Russell. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
Did you see one on the Russell side? | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
Ryan has three families to pick from | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
so calls a crisis meeting to see if they can figure it out. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
So I think I've found someone on my bit. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
We don't know if it's wrong, but if it's right... | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
It's interesting anyway. We need to figure it out. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
Everybody needs to look for clues in the records to point out | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
the right family for Frederick, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
otherwise research will grind to a halt. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
So we're actually really stuck. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:19 | |
-This is the one that made the most sense, though. -It did. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
Hi, there. I think I spoke to you earlier this morning about | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
getting a certificate read to me over the phone? | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
But Holly makes a major breakthrough. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:32 | |
A closer look at Daisy's birth certificate | 0:33:32 | 0:33:34 | |
reveals an address for her parents. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
The address that she was born at, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
we found another Russell living on that street in the 1939 census. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:45 | |
It's the best link they have for a Russell family | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
and moves their search for Frederick's family | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
from Greenwich to Hastings, | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
but it's still a huge gamble. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:55 | |
We're trying to still figure out whether it's correct, | 0:33:55 | 0:33:57 | |
but let's just say it's correct for now. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
The only way they'll confirm they have the right family | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
is if they speak to heirs. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
Ryan spurs the team into more action. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
We just need to find some more beneficiaries, please. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
So I think the Frederick William Russell in Hastings, well... | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Can we get some certs from Hastings? | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
We can. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:18 | |
The certificates will verify who's who in Daisy's father's family | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
and, when they do come in, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
they reveal an intriguing detail about her father. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
Frederick Russell was a sewer man in London during the 1920s, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
and today the sewers in London | 0:34:33 | 0:34:34 | |
are maintained by people following in his footsteps. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
We're off to the Fleet Sewer, in Calthorpe Street. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
This is our safety tripod and winch. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
This wouldn't have been around when they actually built these, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:48 | |
they'd have been going up and down the ladders on their own, probably | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
with hobnail boots on, maybe a rope if they were really, really lucky, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
but generally, no, they'd have had nothing like this. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
I don't even think they knew what health and safety meant. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:58 | |
Coming down. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
London hadn't had a sewer system until the 1860s | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
and, before then, the River Thames had acted as the main drain | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
for raw sewage in London. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
The real problem of | 0:35:09 | 0:35:10 | |
sewage filth in the River Thames | 0:35:10 | 0:35:11 | |
was of course that the River Thames | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
was, at that time, | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
the main source of drinking water for the population. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
This led to all the problems of disease, cholera, typhoid, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
typhus and so on, and the government was, in the end, | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
compelled to do something about it. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
The solution was over 1,300 miles of sewer tunnel under London | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
to divert sewage to treatment works in the east of the city. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
Frederick's job would have been to keep the sewage flowing east. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
Filth and muck off the roads would tend to collect | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
in the bottom of some of the sewers | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
and it involved men necessarily going into the sewers | 0:35:46 | 0:35:50 | |
and digging this detritus, muck, out by hand. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
The sewers today are probably a lot nicer place, | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
if you can call at that, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
than they would have been about 150 years ago. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
When they were built, | 0:36:04 | 0:36:05 | |
there would've been a lot more sewage coming down here. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:07 | |
But they still wouldn't be flushing as much water | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
as we do these days into the sewer system. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
So it would be a lot more solids coming through. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Down in places like Smithfield Meat Market, | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
I wouldn't even think about going downstream of that. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
That would be an absolutely disgusting place to be. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
Today, it's not quite so bad. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
100 years ago, Frederick didn't have the advantage of machines | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
to help clear blocked sewers. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Frederick, originally, would have been called a flusher. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
He'd be down here on his hands and knees with a shovel, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
cleaning it out manually. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:43 | |
So, hot, nasty and very physical work for him. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:46 | |
And the sewers contained hidden threats. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
Working down here was very dangerous. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
Sewage, when it starts to degrade, gives off various gases. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
So a good couple of deep breaths of that and, yeah, | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
you'll be lying on the floor unconscious. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
Today we've got gas monitors, hard hats and PPE on. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
They would be down here in a pair of hobnail boots and a felt cap. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
No, they were a lot braver than I, at the time. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
Frederick's death certificate shows he died from bronchopneumonia, | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
possibly brought on from working in the sewers. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
But his marriage certificate gives the heir hunters more valuable clues | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
about Frederick's family. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:29 | |
His father, Daisy's grandfather, William Russell, | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
married Caroline Edwards in 1881 | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
and they had five children, | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
four of which are Daisy's aunts and uncles. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
Five kids, so four lines. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
OK, cool. A bit smaller. OK. All right. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
I mean, it seems to make the most sense. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
To trace the aunts and uncles, the team need to divide and conquer. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
So at the moment we've just split each potential child up between us | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
and we're going to have a look into that one instead. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
If these aunts and uncles had children, they'd be crucial heirs. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:06 | |
Frederick's dad. I'll do Herbert. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
-Yeah. -I'll get Camilla to do Walter. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
I'm going to copy this. I'll do a few copies of this. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
The team are confident they're ahead. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:18 | |
The Russell surname, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:19 | |
you can easily go and follow the wrong line, pretty much. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
I think we're on the right track. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
Although the team are confident they've found the correct family, | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
they won't know for sure till they make contact with them. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
I just really want to speak to someone, but we need to know | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
whether anyone is going to want to retain our services. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:37 | |
We want to know if anybody has got some info on the family. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
If we can speak to someone who can verify the info or the tree we're | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
working on, it would be great. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
Ryan manages to find a phone number for a potential heir. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
This is going to be... | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
..a first cousin once removed on the Russell side of the family. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
It's a call which could make or break the case. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
Have the competition beaten Ryan to the heirs? | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
Hello, there. It's Ryan Gregory. We're a firm of heir hunters. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
We're actually looking into the Russell family tree. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
Have you been contacted about this at all? | 0:39:10 | 0:39:12 | |
That's quite good. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:16 | |
It's satisfying news. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
Ryan is first to this potential heir. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
But Ryan still needs confirmation he still has the right family. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:24 | |
It's going quite far back. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:25 | |
Do you know whether your grandfather had a brother called Frederick? | 0:39:25 | 0:39:30 | |
No. OK, I mean that's really the link | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
cos Frederick would be Daisy's dad. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
But essentially the way we're working, Russell's quite | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
a common surname so there's quite a lot of different possibilities. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
The potential heir can't confirm his grandfather was related | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
to Daisy's father. Only certificates will be able to prove that. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:51 | |
Yeah, yeah, I hope so. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:52 | |
But all the other information adds up and Ryan is quietly confident | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
he's on the right track. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:57 | |
All right, we'll see you later. Cheers. Thanks a lot. Bye-bye. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
OK, finally after five hours I think I managed to speak to a beneficiary, | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
a potential beneficiary we should say, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
because we're still not 100% sure | 0:40:08 | 0:40:09 | |
whether the Russell side of the family is correct. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:12 | |
But if it is correct, then we were the first to contact him. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:14 | |
He's given me some details on this line of the family. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
You know, happy days. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
-Hello, Camilla. How's it going? -Yeah, it's going OK. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
Ryan and the team soon contact some more potential heirs | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
and it's a satisfying end to the day. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:28 | |
We've had at least one signature, which is good. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
We've contacted them first. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:34 | |
They've been really amiable with us | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
so we're visiting them later on today and tomorrow. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
But Ryan can't celebrate just yet. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
You're never really 100% sure whether someone is a beneficiary | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
until you get the documents back in. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:49 | |
These are the documents you need | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
linking the heir to the deceased, or vice versa. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
A few days later, two of the heirs they visited | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
are reflecting on the surprise knock at the door. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
A man knocked on my door and I had no idea what he was talking about. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:11 | |
In fact, I wasn't going to let him in to start with. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
But it was just so out of the blue. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
Well, Barbara phoned me in absolute shock. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
We had no idea. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:24 | |
Well, we just didn't know they existed. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
If they do inherit some of Daisy's estate, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
Valerie has already made plans for the money. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
However much it is, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:36 | |
I've decided that I'll probably share it with my children. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
My children would probably like a little slice of the cake. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
-I'll do the same thing. -Yeah. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
But their inheritance isn't guaranteed | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
until Ryan has verified he definitely has the right family. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
After two more days of research, he finally has the answer. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
We've had all of the certificates in that we need now | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
and we've spoken to family members | 0:42:04 | 0:42:06 | |
and the good news is that both sides of the family is correct. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
Against all odds, it has turned into a very successful heir hunt. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:15 | |
We found at least 17 beneficiaries and, you know, | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
the majority of people have chose to retain our services. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
We seem to have been ahead of the competition on this one I'd say. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
OK, that's cool. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:26 | |
Heir Barbara is coming to terms with learning about Daisy | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
and the family she never knew about. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
There he is. That's grandad. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
I would've loved to have been in contact with her when she was alive. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
I really do feel bad now | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
that we didn't keep in touch with the family. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
Well, there's loads here. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:44 | |
-Half of them, I don't know who they are. -I know. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
It could be a new chapter in her family history | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
as she learns more about Daisy's life. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
Well, I am a great lover of my family. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
We might be able to meet family that we didn't know we had. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 |