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On today's programme, the Frasers' team tackle two very different cases. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:36 | |
A monster of a family spread across the globe... | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
Six, seven, eight, nine kids there, plus five off his first marriage. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
-He's a busy boy. -There's 14 children. It's not bad for a butcher, is it? | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
..with the consequences of that scattered clan. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
She cried her eyes out for two days. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Also, a story that showed that being unique... | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
What's it say...? Struebig? | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
Struebig. Struebig. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:01 | |
..doesn't mean you're easy to find. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
Some years ago, we did make some efforts to find out where he was, but we got nowhere. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:09 | |
And I rather think that we thought that he'd died. | 0:01:09 | 0:01:13 | |
Plus a list of estates worth over £300,000. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
Could you be in line for some cash? | 0:01:17 | 0:01:19 | |
Every year in Britain, over 300,000 people | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
die without leaving a will. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
When no family is found, their money goes to the government. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
That's when the heir hunting companies step in. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
Using birth, death and marriage records, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
they race against each other to be first to track down any long-lost relatives entitled to inherit. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:48 | |
Fraser and Fraser is one of the oldest firms of Heir Hunters in the country. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:54 | |
In its 30-year history, the company has tracked down over 50,000 heirs, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
entitled to a whopping sum of over £100 million. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
It's 7am in Fraser and Fraser's central London office. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
It's Valentine's Day but romance will have to wait, as Thursday | 0:02:11 | 0:02:16 | |
is the day the Government publishes the list of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:19 | |
Partner Neil Fraser has got his eye on the estate of Reginald Hicks as he thinks it may be worth a lot. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:26 | |
The reason I've picked this case is because I think they own the property. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
I say they because I think the deceased was married at one time | 0:02:30 | 0:02:33 | |
and his wife only recently died just before him. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
Reginald Hicks worked as a machine engine fitter at the Plymouth Shipyard. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
He and his wife, Dorothy Holman, | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
who has also passed away, lived in this property and had no children. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:50 | |
What we know is that a house next door | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
sold in 2007 for about £190,000. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
So we think the value of the estate is going to be in the region of £200,000. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:02 | |
That's a huge sum and the competition will be fierce, so they need to move fast. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
With over 28 years at Frasers', senior case manager Tony Pledger is at the helm. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:14 | |
-Reginald John Blake. -From the government's bona vacantia list, the Heir Hunters know that Reginald | 0:03:14 | 0:03:21 | |
died in December 2007, but just 20 minutes into the investigation, they've hit a brick wall. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:27 | |
This next one... | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
as far as I can see, he's not born... | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
or he's Scottish. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
It seems that the researchers can't find a record of Reginald's birth anywhere in England. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:42 | |
If they can't find the details of his birth, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
then they won't be able to track his parents and so build a family tree. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
Like all good prospectors, the Heir Hunters spend their days mapping out their claim. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:54 | |
They build family trees generation by generation, so that they can see | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
who is related to the deceased, and who is in line to inherit. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
All our enquiries are sort of indicating that he may be Irish and | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
we only have access to the English and Welsh records in this office. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:12 | |
We have some Scottish records but they're a bit piecemeal really, so | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
we're really reliant on one of our researchers in Ireland trying to pick up the birth certificate. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:21 | |
To give them a head start in the race to gather intelligence, Frasers employ a crack team of mobile agents | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
who spend their Thursdays at the wheel ready to follow every clue in pursuit of the heirs. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
Thanks a lot, mate. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
Tony contacts his Irish agent to see if they can trace a Hicks birth over there. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:43 | |
Hopefully, Reginald John Blake Hicks, you can find something. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
And at the same time, Tony sends travelling heir hunter Ewart Lyndsey to Plymouth | 0:04:46 | 0:04:51 | |
to collect the death certificate, as this will list Reginald Hicks' date and place of birth. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
But as Plymouth is a five-hour drive from London, it could be a long wait. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
Fingers in three pies, all at the same time. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
Hopefully, we'll be able to pull out a plum. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
Tony may not have any details on Reginald's family, but he does have a lead. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:14 | |
The researchers have already done a family tree for Reginald's late wife, Dorothy Holman | 0:05:14 | 0:05:19 | |
and through this, they have found relatives still living in Plymouth. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
-By checking the electoral roll, Tony has tracked down Dorothy's sister in law. -Oh, I see. Right. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:29 | |
That would be lovely then, yeah. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:31 | |
Because she is not a blood relative, she is not an heir, but she may be able to provide vital clues. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:38 | |
Right. Bear with me. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
So you knew Reggie's dad then. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Oh, you didn't know... knew of him. Right. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
So this lead isn't really going anywhere. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
Tony still has no clue where Reginald was born or who his parents were. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
-They desperately need that death certificate but Ewart's still got miles of tarmac ahead of him. -Hello. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:59 | |
-Hello, Tone? -Yes, Ewart. What's up? | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
Yeah. Just to let you know that I'm stuck in traffic on the M25, Tony. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:07 | |
There's a surprise. Thank you for sharing that with me. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:09 | |
-Fine. -That was Ewart. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
Ringing me up to tell me he's stuck in traffic. So what? | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
But not every call gets on Tony's wick. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
That conversation with Reginald's distant relative really paid off. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
He got a number for a niece of Reginald's wife, Dorothy. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
Hello. Is that Mrs Winter? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
I'm ringing you about your uncle, Reginald Hicks. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
She is not an heir, either, but Tony is hoping she'll be able to give him the crucial information he needs. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
Where was Reginald born? | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
Well, you see, the problem that we're having though is | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
initially identifying Reginald Hicks' birth. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
Oh, I see. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
It looks like this conversation could be the break they need. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
But thanks ever so much for your help. Thank you. Bye. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
She thinks that he might be born in Scotland. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
And she's fairly confident that he's an only child. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
What a fantastic result. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
The phone call has saved precious hours. They found out that Reginald was born in Dunfermline in Scotland. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:15 | |
Luckily, Frasers have these records and the researchers head straight for them. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
They found him. And along with Reginald's birth, they are able | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
to find his parents' names, as well. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
And from there, their marriage in Tunbridge Wells. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
As the information comes flying in, the pieces of the puzzle begin to fall into place. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
So Reginald Hicks' father is John Hicks and he married Dorothy Mabel Carey. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:43 | |
Because Reginald was an only child and he had no offspring, | 0:07:43 | 0:07:47 | |
the Heir Hunters meet to investigate the aunts and uncles. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:51 | |
If any of them had children, they'll be Reginald's cousins and heirs to his estate. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
Tony will have to do two family trees. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
One looking at John Hicks' side of the family and one looking at Dorothy Carey's siblings. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
So, now my colleague's just told me that we have | 0:08:04 | 0:08:06 | |
a birth for John Blake Hicks in St Columb which is in Cornwall, in 1892. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:13 | |
Why a bloke born in Cornwall gets married | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
in Tunbridge Wells and had a child born in Dunfermline is beyond me. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
Dock workers often move from port to port and that could explain the Hicks' scattered existence. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:26 | |
As there's so much to research, another case manager, Frances Brett, | 0:08:26 | 0:08:32 | |
is helping out with the Carey family tree. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
I'm looking at the censuses for the Carey family and so far I've looked | 0:08:34 | 0:08:41 | |
at the 1901 and the 1891 censuses. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
It's a clever way of finding out | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
everyone in the family in one fell swoop. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
The census is a national population survey which is conducted by the government every ten years. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:58 | |
They are only released for public use 100 years after they were taken | 0:08:58 | 0:09:02 | |
and the latest census Frasers has is from 1901. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:07 | |
The beauty of this document is that it lists every individual | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
within a household so the team will be able to see who was living in the Carey family home in that year. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven... | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
OK, looks like the mother might have eight brothers and sisters. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
Right. That'll keep you busy, won't it? | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
The census has been invaluable. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
So far, they've uncovered eight siblings for Dorothy Carey, Reginald's mum. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:33 | |
All children of David and Henrietta Carey. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
And it looks like the Careys are not the only large family. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:40 | |
On the Hicks' side of it, there's probably half a dozen uncles and aunts, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
as well. But the problem is, one family is in Kent and the other family's down in Cornwall... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
so, we've got Ewart going down to Cornwall and we might then get somebody to go | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
down to Tunbridge Wells, but Tunbridge Wells is the sort of place that's easy to move from. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:57 | |
You know, it's only a train ride and you're into London | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
and then from London you meet some bird that comes from Darlington, so you end up in Darlington. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
Looks like Tony is staggering under the weight of all these | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
stems on the family tree and he's not the only one in need of a break. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:11 | |
Oh, dear. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
Only another 100 miles to go, Ewart. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Coming up, they couldn't find his birth place. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
Now they can't find his death certificate. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:25 | |
Why can't they find it? | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
I am personally puzzled. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
Reginald Hicks is proving elusive. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
I'm not having a good day today, actually. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:34 | |
And an unusual name keeps Marcus on his toes. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
Never even heard of it before. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
It's not Welsh. I would say it's Dutch. Something like that. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
But what do I know? | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
Nothing actually, not this time of the morning. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
The Heir Hunters use all their skills and cunning to find heirs | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
to millions of pounds' worth of unclaimed cash. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
But sometimes the trail goes cold. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
Perhaps you could be due a fortune and not even know it. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
Robin Slaney died on March 22nd 2004, in Weston Super Mare. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:12 | |
He was 64 years old and he left a huge sum of £125,000. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:18 | |
Are you related to him? If you are, his money could go to you. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:22 | |
Ruth Queenie Stanton passed away in Camden, North London, when she was 93 years old, leaving £24,000. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:30 | |
Have you heard of Ruth or are you one of her family? | 0:11:30 | 0:11:34 | |
If you are related, you could be in line to get her cash. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
Edward William Simpkins died at Westcliff on Sea, in Essex. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
He was 84 years old and left a bank account with £20,000. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:46 | |
If you are a family member and can prove it, you could claim this money. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:50 | |
If you think you may know any of these people or know someone who may be entitled to their money, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:56 | |
please look at our website for details of what to do next. | 0:11:56 | 0:12:02 | |
The Heir Hunters have been following the case of Reginald Hicks, | 0:12:16 | 0:12:21 | |
who died in Plymouth, leaving this house, valued at around £200,000. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:27 | |
Given the size of both sides of the family, Frasers have made quick work of building the trees. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
It looks like the paternal side, the Hicks family, has half a dozen uncles and aunts. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:38 | |
And the maternal side, the Careys, have at least eight. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
Partner Neil Fraser thinks that they're facing a challenge. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
So, there's a potential once this has all come down and | 0:12:45 | 0:12:48 | |
we're coming down two generations of maybe 50 to 60 beneficiaries. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:53 | |
We may quickly cut them all down as we find some dying in the war | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
and stuff, but there's potential for there to be a huge, huge family. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:01 | |
They really need a break here. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
Tony is hoping the informant on Reginald Hicks' death certificate | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
will be able to tell them more about his family. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:10 | |
And after a five-hour drive, Ewart's finally arrived at the Register Office in Plymouth. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:16 | |
What a disaster. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
Unfortunately, not able to pick up any certificates at Plymouth Register Office. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:25 | |
They're not producing certificates within five days... | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
but not only that, they can't find the death of the deceased. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
It's a major blow... | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
and also, a bit of a mystery, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
as the bona vacantia confirms that Reginald Hicks died in Plymouth. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
It seems the file's missing. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
You know, it's been registered. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:45 | |
Why can't they find it? You know, I am personally puzzled. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:51 | |
But there's no point dwelling on it. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
With rival firms breathing down their necks, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
they'll have to concentrate on other areas of investigation. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
I'm not having a good day today, actually. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
Trying to make the most of a bad situation, Tony sends Ewart on the one-hour | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
drive to St Austell to collect certificates for aunts and uncles on the Hicks side of the family. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:13 | |
He hopes they'll contain vital clues to push the case on. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
Back in the office, Tony is looking at one of the stems of the Carey family tree. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:22 | |
He's trying to trace Arthur C Carey, Reginald's uncle. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:27 | |
One of the uncles of the deceased, Arthur Charles Carey, might have married in Christchurch, in 1918. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:36 | |
He'd been born in Tunbridge Wells in 1897. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
We can't find him over here but we have found an Arthur C Carey with the | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
right wife and a child on the 1930 census from New Jersey in America. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:51 | |
The early 1900s saw a huge swathe | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
of emigration to the New World, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:55 | |
and the Heir Hunters will often do a search across the pond if they have lost the trail in the UK. | 0:14:55 | 0:15:01 | |
It could be that one stem has gone to America. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
This inspired piece of research has netted another Carey, as well. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
We've now managed to track two of them over to America. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
Now, what we've been able to find is their immigration records into | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
America, so these are the shipping records into America. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
Shipping lines kept records of their employees and passengers. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
They even list obscure information such as eye colour and height. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
The Heir Hunters can use these to trace people's movements. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
Not only have they found Arthur, but they found his brother Frederick's cross into the US. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
This is very very important for us because instead of looking through all our records | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
in here, in England and Wales, we now have to look in America. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
By cross referencing American Social Security files and American census, | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
on one of the genealogical websites, Neil's found a current address | 0:15:49 | 0:15:54 | |
for the descendants of Arthur Carey... Reginald's uncle. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
I've got a phone number for him. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
What's the time in New Jersey? | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
-8.30 in the morning. -At 1.30, Tony's lunch will have to wait. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:08 | |
'Hello.' | 0:16:08 | 0:16:09 | |
Hello. Sorry to trouble you. Is that Mrs Carey? | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
Hello. You don't know me at all. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:14 | |
I'm ringing from London, in England. Hopefully, you can help. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
It's an enquiry about the late Peter Carey. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
Oh, you don't know him at all. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
You sounded a lot younger than I thought you were going to be. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
It looks like Tony has got straight through to a potential heir. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
Arthur Carey's granddaughter, Barbara. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
As your dad's dead, his entitlement, if it does turn out to be correct, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
wouldn't go to your mum because she's not a blood relative of your father. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
But it would pass down to yourself as a child. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
So, can I ask you, do you have any other brothers or sisters? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
It's just what the Heir Hunters were hoping for. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
Barbara ties up the stem for Tony. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
She confirms her surviving brother Peter and the children | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
of her late brother Paul will also be beneficiaries. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
It's too early to say how much they will inherit | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
because the Heir Hunters are still unpicking the family tree. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:09 | |
It's just on two o'clock, and even the difficult to please Tony is chuffed. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:15 | |
So it looks fairly positive on the face of it. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
But there's no time to waste. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
With so many possible heirs, a rival company could easily | 0:17:21 | 0:17:26 | |
have found most of them already. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
So Tony needs to keep up the pace. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
He puts in a call to Massachusetts to contact Reginald's uncle Frederick's family. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:37 | |
-'Hello.' -Oh, hello. Sorry to trouble you. Mrs Carey? | 0:17:37 | 0:17:43 | |
Would you be a relative? | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
"Just" his mother-in-law? That's more than enough. Hello. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
Tony hits the jackpot. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
He's got through to the mother in law of Warren Carey. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
He is the grandson of Frederick, who was Reginald's uncle. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
She confirms that Warren has two brothers... | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
Ronald and David, who are still living and therefore, heirs. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
That makes seven living heirs on the Carey side. There may be more. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
Thank you very much, indeed. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:16 | |
Bye. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
That's Warren's mother-in-law. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
Okey dokey. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
It's late afternoon and the investigation into the Reginald Hicks' case is still in full flow. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:30 | |
They may have cracked a few heirs on the Carey side of the family but the | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
Hicks side is still wide open to the competition. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
They need one last push to find a Hicks heir. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
The research team are running the microfiches ragged, | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
searching through birth records when suddenly, just before 4.30pm... | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
there's a breakthrough. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
Just through persistence and more and more research, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
they've been able to find some beneficiaries actually in England. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
Reginald had six uncles and aunts on the Hicks side of the family. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
Tony has tracked down Ivy, the granddaughter of Arthur Hicks. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
Jolly good. Well, that's all right. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
-Hopefully, we'll make your week when we see you. -It's great news. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
Ivy is based in Cornwall, just over the border with Plymouth. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
Tony arranges for travelling heir hunter Ewart to call on her | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
in the morning, but for some reason, Ewart's not that happy at having to overnight in Plymouth. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:25 | |
It's Valentine's Day, thanks, Tone. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
Oh, yes, so it is. Well, I'm sorry about that, Ewart. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
If you want, I'll ring up and apologise for you. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
It's been a busy day for the team at Frasers and they've found | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
at least nine heirs before competing Heir Hunters. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
But Neil thinks they've barely scratched the surface of the sprawling Carey-Hicks families. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
Maternal side is still | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
early stages. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
We've solved two stems in America | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
but they're not complete yet. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
The race to track down all the heirs will continue in the morning, but | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
right now, Ewart's feeling a little resentful about the call of duty. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
This is what I've resorted to on Valentine's Day. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
Spending the night by myself on Valentine's Day in a hotel in Plymouth. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:16 | |
Every day, people pass away having lost touch with family. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
Often they leave a legacy, but with no relatives on hand, | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
the money sits in the bank until someone can claim the cash. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
Could you be due an inheritance? | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
John Goring passed away in Welwyn Garden City | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
in Hertfordshire in 2006. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
He was just 55 when he died, leaving the huge sum of £85,000. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:46 | |
Are you related to John? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
Do you someone who is? | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
Robert Hayes Moore died in Derby on 19th October 2005, at the age of 73, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:56 | |
leaving a small fortune of £25,000. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
Are you a member of Robert's family? | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
Could you be in line to inherit his cash? | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
Albinas Dulinskas passed away in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
He was 81 when he died, leaving a tidy sum of £25,000. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
Are you a relative? If so, you could be entitled to his money. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:18 | |
If you do know any of these people, please look at our website. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
When the chase is on, the Frasers team are never sure where the hunt will take them. While some families | 0:21:30 | 0:21:37 | |
prove to be far flung and prolific, needing days of research, others | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
have a tree drawn up and heirs signed before the morning is out. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
One thing every case has in common, though, is the amount of energy the Heir Hunters throw at it. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:50 | |
-Morning, John. -Hello. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
This was certainly what happened when the team took on | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
the investigation of the estate of Norman Struebig three months ago. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
What's it say? Struebig? | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
Struebig. Struebig. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:06 | |
Norman Struebig was 79 when he died in 2006. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:11 | |
He had lived in this sheltered accommodation in Haywards Heath. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
Quirky or strange names are always popular with the Heir Hunters | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
because the more unique a name, the easier it is to trace. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:23 | |
It makes the research much easier for us, much quicker, but it also invites in a lot of competition | 0:22:23 | 0:22:29 | |
and we may find on this estate that we have a lot of competition working against us. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
So they need to get researchers on to this as soon as possible. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
Do you want to take that case? | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
Partner Charles Fraser gives the job to case manager Marcus Herbert. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
Struebig - never even heard of it before. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:46 | |
It's not Welsh. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
I would say it's Dutch. Something like that, but what do I know? | 0:22:48 | 0:22:52 | |
Nothing actually, not at this time of the morning. But there you go. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:57 | |
Partner Neil Fraser can think of several good reasons for looking into the Struebig estate. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
There's a probate for the mother. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
Now, the mother didn't die too long ago, but when she died, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:09 | |
she left an estate of £165,000, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:11 | |
but as we think Norman is an only child, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
we're fairly confident that this £165,000 would pass down to him. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
So the Heir Hunters know that Norman had some money at some point, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
but the question is... did he keep hold of it? | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
The team start targeting the name | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
Struebig in the basic birth and marriage records they have on file. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
In the peace and quiet of a Sussex village, another Fraser employee. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
Travelling heir hunter Bob Smith is ready to get in on the action. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:44 | |
-Hello, Bob. -Hello, Charles. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
-How are you? -I'm OK. Yeah. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:48 | |
-Fighting fit and raring to go. -Good. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:50 | |
Actually, you're close to Haywards Heath. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Yeah. I'm very close. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
-So is Paul Barratt. -No, no, no, no. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
-So you're closer? -Paul Barratt lives in Surrey, up in Leatherhead. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
He's twice the distance. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
OK. I'll send you to Haywards Heath. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:07 | |
Yes. Yes. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
We're going to somewhere in Sussex. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:14 | |
Bob Smith's job is to collect Norman Struebig's death certificate. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
Frasers are hoping that the informant and addresses listed on | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
the document will reveal vital clues in the hunt for Norman's family. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
He is one of a group of satellite agents working for Frasers throughout the UK. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:35 | |
They spend each Thursday hunting down clues. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
With Bob Smith collecting the death certificate, Charles rings Bob Barratt | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
-to get him to collect the birth certificate. -Hi, Bob. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
-It's Charles again. -Hello, Charles. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
-I'm going to send you to get the birth on Struebig. -Right. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
And I think it's more likely to be actually in the Harrowgate Register Office, | 0:24:51 | 0:24:58 | |
-which is Wood Green. -OK. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
Back in the office, Marcus is already feeling the pressure. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
Oh, God, I want to go home. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
He knows that competing firms will be hot on his heels and when it comes to creating the family tree | 0:25:07 | 0:25:13 | |
he can't find the wood for all the Struebigs. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
Struebig is more common than you think. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
There's loads of them in the London area. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
We don't know what families they're attached to at the moment. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
Our lot are born in Holborn/Islington. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
-There's a load of others born in Holborn/Islington. -It's 8.15am. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
Marcus decides to sit down with colleague John to create | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
a huge family tree of the Struebigs they found and then eliminate them one by one. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:41 | |
Sorry. Let's just get it down so we know what we're doing. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
There's an Edna. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:45 | |
Stick Edna down somewhere. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
In a bid to cut down the number of Struebigs, Marcus sends a researcher | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
to Islington Register Office. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:54 | |
This is where the majority of the births and marriages in the Struebig name are registered. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
The Register's databases are more detailed and he's hoping it will speed the process of elimination. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:09 | |
If I can do that and knock some of them off and attach to other families. Yeah? | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
Whilst John and Marcus get down to eliminating Struebigs, the team have already traced | 0:26:14 | 0:26:20 | |
Norman's birth and can now confirm that his parents were | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
Albert and Elsie Young and that they were married in Islington in 1924. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
On the maternal side, they have found that although Elsie | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
had a brother and a sister, they died with no children. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
Having eliminated the Youngs, it's all up to the Struebigs. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
It's bang on nine o'clock. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
Travelling heir hunter Bob Smith | 0:26:46 | 0:26:48 | |
arrives at the Haywards Heath Register Office to order up Norman's death certificate. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
The Fraser team is hoping the person who registered the death is a relative, but they'll have | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
to wait for the bureaucratic wheels to turn before they find that out. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
In London, Marcus is still eliminating Struebigs. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
Hello, mate. Right. Well, Rose and Lilian is wrong. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
Yeah. And also, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
William George, born in Holborn in 1900. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
And he has something to smile about. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
On the maternal side, the Struebig side of the family, | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
I've identified an aunt and identified a marriage for her. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Hopefully there'll be children off of it and hopefully it'll be up to date within half an hour. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
I'm positive of it. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
So Marcus may have found an heir. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
It seems that Norman had an aunt Florence who married Thomas Stanes. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
They had a daughter. Doris Florence Stanes, born in 1923. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
If she's still alive, she'll be Norman's cousin and heir. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
So, we're on it. We've got somebody we're looking for who could quite conceivably still be alive. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:54 | |
So the office team are relieved to have found a possible heir and in Haringey, travelling heir hunter | 0:27:54 | 0:28:00 | |
-Bob Barratt has some news. -Hello. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:02 | |
-Hello, Marcus. -Hello, mate. All right. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
Yep. Right. I'm really impressed with Haringey. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
-It's a busy place and yet they manage to produce certificates in about ten minutes. -Oh, right. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
-I wish they were all like that. -Yeah. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:16 | |
It seems, however, their worst fears have been realised. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
I don't know whether you're aware, there might be competition. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
-Apparently this is the second request for the certificate this morning. -Ah, right. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
I'll speak to you later. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:31 | |
Cheers. Bye. | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
Well, the competition might have to run to catch the Fraser boys. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Stanes spelt without an "I" is another unusual name. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
Researcher Derek Curwin has managed to track down | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
Norman's cousin Doris Stanes by doing a search on the internet. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:50 | |
Ireland. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:51 | |
My good friend here has found that the cousin of the deceased is now in Portrush in Northern Ireland. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:57 | |
It seems Marcus has found his first heir. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
So, she's quite elderly but she sounds like an educated person. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
She was a lecturer at a university in Ulster, or something. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
So I'm going to give her a call now. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
Hello. Is that Doris Stanes? | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
Oh, hello there. I'm so sorry to trouble you. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
My name is Marcus Herbert. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
It concerns the family name of Struebig. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
Struebig, that's it. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:24 | |
In just one phone call, Marcus has found out a wealth of information | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
from Norman's cousin Doris Stanes. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
What looked like a huge family of possibly 30 or 40 beneficiaries | 0:29:36 | 0:29:40 | |
just on this one side of the family, Marcus has now managed | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
to eliminate off quite a few and it's down to just two beneficiaries. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
It's quite good news for us, really. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
It seems that Albert, Norman's uncle, | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
had five brothers and sisters, but only three of them had offspring. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
Albert had Norman. His sister Florence had Doris, | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
and another sister, Doris, had a daughter called Jennifer. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:04 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:30:04 | 0:30:06 | |
Yes. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
How about that? | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
With all of the aunts and uncles confirmed deceased, it appears that | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
Doris and Jennifer are now the sole heirs to Norman's estate. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
That's what we want, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
so I'm chuffed. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
So I can sit back and relax for ten minutes now. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
But Marcus doesn't have time to crow too loudly. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
The competition is still on the case so they need to get to the final heir fast. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
In Haywards Heath, Bob Smith has collected the death certificate. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:40 | |
Thank you very much, indeed. Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
He phones it into Marcus. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
-How are you, mate? -I'm OK. And you? | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
-Yeah. I'm all right. It's up to date. -Oh, is it? Where? | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
We've got a cousin in Reading, who's married to a doctor. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:54 | |
And we've got a first cousin who's about 84 | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
and she's living in Portrush. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
I'll give you the details anyway. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
He had Down's Syndrome. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
Oh. Right. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
So, obviously, maybe his parents died, he ended up in a home. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:19 | |
If Norman was living in a care home for a long time, most of his fortune will have been eaten up by the fees. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
This will affect the value of this case. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
But because the case has made quick progress, the team decide to let the investigation run its course. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:34 | |
Researcher Derek has got the contact for Jennifer... | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
-Norman's cousin and the final heir. -Thank you. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
Marcus is on the phone to her now, but will he have got there before any rival Heir Hunters? | 0:31:41 | 0:31:48 | |
The reason I'm ringing is I've just been speaking to your cousin Doris Stanes in Ireland. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:54 | |
We're trying to find members of the Struebig family. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
I have a colleague of mine who is out on the road at the moment and I wonder | 0:31:57 | 0:32:01 | |
whether it would be at all possible to make an appointment with yourself to come and see you regarding this? | 0:32:01 | 0:32:07 | |
It's Marcus' lucky day. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:09 | |
They agree to see Bob Barratt. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
It's only 10.15am and not only has the case been solved, | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
but Marcus has spoken to both heirs. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:23 | |
He has every reason to be pleased with the result. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:25 | |
We've got the area here anyway. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
Take it from there. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
I'm going to see Mrs Peabody. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
It's just after lunch and Bob Barratt's arrived | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
at the home of Jennifer Peabody, Norman Struebig's cousin and heir. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
-Mr Peabody. -Mr Barratt. Hi. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
Nice to meet you. Thanks very much. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:48 | |
-I'm a few minutes early. -That's fine. -Excellent. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:50 | |
-OK. Hello. -Hello, Mrs Peabody. Thanks very much. -Come in. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
-Please come in. -Thank you. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
In the end, Bob Barratt did get there before the competition. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:00 | |
For Jennifer Peabody, it seems the inheritance was a surprise, | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
but Norman wasn't unknown to her. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
I probably haven't seen Norman since I was about 15. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:15 | |
He was quite a tall young man and slim with quite a narrow head. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:21 | |
He wasn't at all like a... | 0:33:21 | 0:33:25 | |
his physique wasn't at all like a typical Down's person. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
Yes, I can visualise him quite well. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
Despite all the Heir Hunters' hard work, Jennifer decided | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
she would put in her own claim for her cousin Norman Struebig's estate. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
Marcus is philosophical. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
Brilliant case. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:46 | |
The research went extremely well. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
Unfortunately, the family really decided to go it alone, I think. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
But at least the Peabodys know what happened to cousin Norman. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
Some years ago, we did make some efforts to find out where he was but we got nowhere... | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
and I rather think that we thought that he had died. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:08 | |
Yes. That's it. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
I think we're both quite astonished. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
Yes. It's sad. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
-Feel sad. -That no relatives or apparent next of kin and you know, | 0:34:15 | 0:34:21 | |
sort of dying on your own in a hospital or nursing home. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
No visitors...presumably. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:26 | |
So it's a bit sad, really. Yeah. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:31 | |
The Heir Hunters have been following the case of Reginald Hicks who lived in this house in Plymouth. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:43 | |
He died leaving an estate which the Heir Hunters have valued at around £200,000. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:49 | |
They've already contacted nine heirs, mainly in America, but it's just the tip of the iceberg. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:55 | |
They are investigating both the mother and the father's sides of the family and this is no small task. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
Seven, eight, nine kids there. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
-Plus five off his first marriage. -He's a busy boy. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:05 | |
14 children. That's not bad for a butcher, is it? | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
It's 9am on day two of the hunt and senior researcher Gareth Langford | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
has just received the death certificate for one of Reginald's uncles, also named Reginald. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:21 | |
This was Reginald Carey, which is correct. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
It appears to be a witness, R A Carey, son, which we didn't know about. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:28 | |
So Reginald Carey had a son called R A Carey, | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
who is Reginald Hicks' cousin. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
If R A Carey had any children, they could be potential heirs. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
The Fraser team have already found seven heirs | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
on the Carey side of the family - | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
all distant cousins of Reginald Hicks living in the US. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
If R A Carey did have offspring, | 0:35:48 | 0:35:50 | |
they could be the first UK-based heirs on the Carey side. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:54 | |
But Gareth needs to find them first. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
And while he's on a roll... | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
Neil. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
..others are eating them. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
Having a little mothers' meeting in the corner there. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:08 | |
This is serious business we're talking here, Gareth! | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
In Plymouth, morning tea couldn't be further from the mind of travelling heir hunter Ewart. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
I'm gutted. Absolutely gutted. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
He's supposed to be on his way to sign Ivy Wayers, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
Reginald Hicks' cousin and an heir, but he's going nowhere fast. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:28 | |
Malfunction in the system. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
What does that mean? | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
Instead, he's off to get a hire car. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
Let's hope any rivals don't pip him to the post. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
At least I got a new car. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
10.40. The appointment was set for ten o'clock. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
40 minutes late at this precise moment. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:53 | |
And I've probably got about another 20 minutes' drive so I'll probably be about an hour late. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
I've notified the client anyway. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
Back in the office, Gareth's hard work has paid off. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
Reginald's cousin R A Carey | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
was called Robert, and Gareth has found he did have children. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:13 | |
He's even found the contact for the youngest son, Christopher Carey. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:17 | |
As the son of a cousin, | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
Christopher is a cousin once removed and that makes him an heir. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
But will he be home and has the competition got there before him? | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
Hello, Mr Carey? | 0:37:26 | 0:37:28 | |
Hello, Mr Carey. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:30 | |
Sorry to trouble you. Hopefully you can help. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
I'm ringing from central London. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:34 | |
I'm representing a company of probate researchers. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
We trace missing heirs and beneficiaries. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
I'm hoping that you'd be Christopher R Carey, son of the late Robert Anthony Carey. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:44 | |
-Oh, good. Well, how is that? -In Cornwall, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
Ewart has arrived at Ivy's house. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Her grandfather was Arthur Hicks, Reginald's uncle, making Ivy his cousin once removed. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:58 | |
Hello. Mrs Wayers? Hello. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:00 | |
My name's Ewart Lynsey from Fraser and Fraser. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
The estate is worth £200,000 and there are nine heirs already found. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:08 | |
Her share could be in the region of 20,000. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
It looks like Ewart's long two days have been worth it. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
-Thank you very much. Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
Ivy agrees to sign to Frasers, | 0:38:18 | 0:38:20 | |
but there's a sad note to the legacy. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
My brother said that a gentleman was coming about our lost grandfather. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:30 | |
And I... | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
couldn't understand, not really, because we've never heard anything | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
about him, except for he went off to America. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
It seems that Arthur Hicks abandoned Ivy's grandmother and her children for a new life in the US. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:48 | |
My mother was always crying that she could not find her daddy. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
And that always hurt us...very much. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
And I said to the gentleman... | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
if my mother was living, if there is anything, I would give it all to her. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:04 | |
There's my mum. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
Very pretty woman. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
She had such a heartache at not finding her dad. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
For Ivy, the news of the inheritance is obviously bittersweet. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:21 | |
Back in the office, the team are confident they found | 0:39:21 | 0:39:23 | |
all the heirs on Reginald's father's side of the family. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
I don't think there's going to be anybody else on the paternal side | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
of the family, for Ewart to be dealing with. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:31 | |
I think the rest of it is going to be up here in Ashford in Kent. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
While Ewart's been with Ivy, 275 miles away, | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
in Ashford, Kent, another travelling heir hunter, Dave Hadley, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:45 | |
is on his way to see an heir from the Carey side of the family. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
Hello. Mr Christopher Carey? | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
David Hadley from Fraser and Fraser. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
There's my card for you. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:55 | |
How do you do? | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
I'm very well, thank you. And you? | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
-Fine. Fine. -Christopher Carey's grandfather was Reginald Carey, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
Reginald Hicks' uncle, making him a cousin once removed. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
Can he fill in any more blanks on the Carey family tree? | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
-I know absolutely nothing about my father. -Really? | 0:40:11 | 0:40:16 | |
Absolutely nothing. I never knew him. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
How old were you then when he left? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:20 | |
Four or five. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
I just didn't know him. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
Oh, he was an electrician. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
-Right. -That's it. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:29 | |
Do you know when he died? | 0:40:29 | 0:40:30 | |
Yeah. I didn't actually, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
until your man on the phone reminded me. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
-Oh, right. -'71. My mum was in America visiting my sister and I was | 0:40:37 | 0:40:42 | |
opening the letters to make sure there was nothing there | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
cos she was over there for three months or four months or something, | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
and it came through that he had died. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
I told her | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
when she got home... | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
He'd been out of our lives for, I don't know, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:07 | |
30 years, 20-something years, and she cried her eyes out for two days. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:15 | |
I've never seen anything like it. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
Yeah. Yeah. It's not unusual. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
-It's not unusual. -Cor, dear. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
That's what love does to you, you see. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
I think it must have been. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
It seems that Christopher's story | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
tragically mirrors that of the other heir, Ivy. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
One may be a Carey and the other a Hicks, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
but both of them are first cousins once removed of Reginald Hicks. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
And both of them came from a family abandoned by an itinerant father. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:45 | |
Dave Hadley leaves Christopher the paperwork to think it all over. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
He's a very nice man. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
He is the gentleman that we were looking for and I've got all the information from him that I require. | 0:41:55 | 0:42:02 | |
He wants to consider his position as to whether | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
he wants to become a client of ours, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
which is fine with us, and I hope that he'll contact us very shortly. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
It's been a satisfying result for Frasers but it's not over yet. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:19 | |
I think we've probably found 50% to 75% of the beneficiaries at the moment, after two days of research. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:26 | |
We hope to have it tied up but it's going to take us maybe another week or two. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:32 | |
Although the case could be in the region of £200,000, there are so many heirs | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
that each share of the estate is likely to be small. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
Christopher Carey is not complaining, though. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
He can think of a few uses for the cash. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
At least one ice-cream. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
Possibly a pair of socks. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
Or I'll go really wild and buy a new hat. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:53 | |
But further than that, my ambitions are a bit limited, I'm afraid. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
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