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Heir hunters spend their lives tracking down families | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
of people who've died without leaving a will. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives, | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
who had no idea they were in line for a windfall. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
On today's programme - the Frasers' team take on two cases | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
about people with relatives they never knew they had - | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
one whose birth was a shameful secret... | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
He was bought up in the Salvation Army, as well. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
I don't know, maybe in that time, because she was unmarried. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:48 | |
..and the other, a woman who thought she was the last of her line, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:52 | |
when her family lived just a few miles away. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Plus, a list of unclaimed estates worth over £200,000. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
Could you be due to inherit some money? | 0:01:01 | 0:01:04 | |
Every year in Britain, over 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
When no family is found, their money goes to the government. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
That's when the heir hunting companies step in. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
Using birth, death and marriage records, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
they race against each other to be the first to track down | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
any long-lost relatives entitled to inherit. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
Fraser and Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters in the country. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
In its 30-year history, the company has tracked down over 50,000 heirs, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
entitled to a whopping sum of over £100 million. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:48 | |
It's 7am on Thursday, | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
the day the Treasury publishes the list of unclaimed estates. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
At Fraser and Fraser's office in London, it's all hands on deck. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
Everyone is primed ready for the race | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
to solve each case before rival heir hunters. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
It's always frantic, but today the atmosphere is tense, | 0:02:08 | 0:02:10 | |
as for the first time, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
the Treasury have published the list without the crucial figure | 0:02:12 | 0:02:15 | |
of how much each estate is worth. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:19 | |
Partner Neil Fraser has responsibility for choosing the cases | 0:02:19 | 0:02:22 | |
he thinks have the highest value and therefore worth investigating. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
We're not really sure of the value of these cases. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
It's really increased our workload. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
Instead of doing two to three cases like we probably would do today, | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
I think we're going to have to nine, ten, 11 cases. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
Because of the added pressure, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
he's having to be strategic about his choices. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:43 | |
I've been looking at the case of Derek Paul Gordon Atkinson, | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
cos it's got two middle names which should enable us | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
to work it fairly quickly. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:52 | |
The more middle names someone has, the easier they are to find | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
in the birth and death records, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
as they stand out amongst those with the same first and last names. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Aside from his full name, the only thing the heir hunters | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
know about Derek Atkinson | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
is that he ended his days in this care home in East London. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
Very hard to say what the value is. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
It doesn't look like there is going to be a huge amount of value on it, | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
but as we've got Bob free, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
I want him to really do the enquiry and then see where it leads us to. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
Travelling heir hunter, Bob Smith, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
has been with Frasers for over 23 years. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
In the race to find heirs and sign them up, Fraser and Fraser | 0:03:29 | 0:03:33 | |
employ a crack team of experienced researchers across the UK. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
Lovely. Thanks a lot, mate. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:39 | |
They spend every Thursday poised to travel the length and breadth of the country, following the clues. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:44 | |
Bob's detective work is second to none and Neil's hoping that he will | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
find out information that's crucial to the case. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
Bob, it's Neil. Mate, we've got a new case for you this morning. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
Atkinson. So if you can just make your way to East London | 0:03:56 | 0:03:58 | |
-and I'll give you the address when we're confirmed up on it. -Yeah. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
I'll ring you as soon as I can. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
Cheers, mate. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
So, I've been asked to go along to the nursing home and obviously make | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
enquiries there to see if they have any information about his family. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
In the office, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:17 | |
Neil has asked senior case manager, David Pacifico, to man the fort. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
He'll need his 39 years' experience to keep ahead of the game here. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
He's also concerned about the value of the case. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
It all depends what we can get from the nursing home which will find out | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
whether, for example, did he have | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
his own property or did he come from a council flat. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
If he owned his own property, then it would be of some value. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:42 | |
Property constitutes the majority of people's wealth, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
so if Derek Atkinson did own a flat, that would be a good indication | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
of the estate's value, but even if he wasn't a home owner, he could | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
have had investments tucked away. At the very least, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
the estate must be worth £5,000, because that's | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
the minimum value to make it eligible for the bona vacantia list. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
David calls Bob Smith. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
Hello, Bob. You're on the way to the nursing home, are you? | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
I am, yep. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
'Hope this one's got money then, eh?' | 0:05:12 | 0:05:14 | |
How do you find that out? | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
You want me to ask the nursing home... did he have any money? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
'Well, we have to find out.' | 0:05:20 | 0:05:22 | |
That rather tickled me. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
Me turning up asking questions | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
about this guy and asking if he's left any money. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
I'm sure that's going to meet with a frosty response. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
In the office, David and research director, Noel McHugh, | 0:05:36 | 0:05:40 | |
are poring over the files, trying to find any links for the name Atkinson. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
Over the years, Fraser and Fraser have built a huge library of birth, | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
death and marriage records. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
The heir hunters will use them | 0:05:50 | 0:05:52 | |
to track down any potential family members of Derek Atkinson. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
By putting the data together, they will build a family tree, | 0:05:56 | 0:06:00 | |
breaking it down generation by generation, they will see who he | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
is related to and who's in line to inherit his estate. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
The parentage of Derek Atkinson is proving to be a bit of a mystery. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
We understand he was born in Wandsworth in 1927 and it looks | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
like he might be an illegit because the mother's maiden name is the same. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
If Derek Atkinson was illegitimate, | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
things could get complicated. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
If the birth just shows the mother then we can only work | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
the mother's side of the family. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
We won't know who the father is. You know, it could look | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
as if it's illegitimate when it's not, so we need to obtain a copy of the birth certificate. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
But that means going to Wandsworth, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
which is on the other side of London from where Bob Smith is. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
Perhaps someone at the care home | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
will be able to confirm whether Derek was born out of wedlock. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
From the outside, it actually looks quite nice. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
So maybe it is a private nursing home and he did have some money. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
But we'll see. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:58 | |
We'll see. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
Bob struck it lucky. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
Elaine Robertson knew Derek well and she's on duty today. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:08 | |
We're making enquiries about a gentleman that was a resident here. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
A gentleman by the name of Derek Atkinson. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
I understand you were one of the staff members that looked after him... | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
-Yeah. -Yourself. Did he ever have any visitors at all? -No. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
Any family members or any friends at all? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
-No. -I understand you went to the funeral. -Yes. -Was it just yourself? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
-Just me and another carer went. -Right. -Only the two of us. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
-So he literally had really died on his own. -Yeah. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
Yeah. He never mentioned any family? | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
-He did have a father but they lost contact many, many years ago. -Right. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
He used to have, like, his mum. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
-He hadn't seen his mum since he was about 18 years old. -All right. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:49 | |
But he was brought up in the Salvation Army, as well. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
I don't know maybe at that time, cos she was unmarried. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
-Unmarried mother. -Yeah. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
-Well, thanks for all your help. That's lovely. -You're welcome. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
-OK. Nice to meet you. -Thank you. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
Elaine's confirmed that Derek was definitely illegitimate | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
and she knew a little about his background. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
And Bob is a bit more hopeful about the value when he calls in to the office. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:13 | |
-Hello, Bob. -Hi, Dave. You all right? | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
-Yeah. And you? How you doing? -Yeah. Not too bad. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
Do you know whether he owned his own flat or what? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
They wouldn't tell me... | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
but it's a private care home. It's a very nice care home. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
-It's a private care home. -Yeah. Yeah. It's not a council one. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
It's a private care home which means he may have had some money. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
Information that I did get | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
was that he was brought up by the Salvation Army, | 0:08:36 | 0:08:41 | |
but he lost contact with his mother when he was 18. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
Last saw her at Liverpool Street Station. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:47 | |
After that, she never came to visit him any more and he lost contact with her. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:51 | |
We need a copy of that birth... in Wandsworth. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
-So you want me to go over to Wandsworth? -I think so. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Yeah. Let's get over there. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
All right. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
So, this case looks like it's worth following. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:05 | |
And its likely rival companies are hot on their heels. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
Bob needs to get to Wandsworth fast, | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
to pick up Derek's birth certificate. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
Once they get the mother's name, they'll be able to take | 0:09:13 | 0:09:17 | |
their research to the next level and track down Derek's grandparents. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
In the meantime, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
the researchers are desperately scanning the birth records to see if | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
there were any other Atkinsons born in Wandsworth | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
a couple of years either side of Derek. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
If they find anyone, they could be | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
a likely candidate for a sibling, but so far, they're having no luck. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
They need those details from the birth certificate. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
The question is, of course, if the mother's on it, whether | 0:09:42 | 0:09:46 | |
or not she ever got married afterwards or died a spinster, | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
but at least we'd have a name. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
It's midday and Bob's arrived in Wandsworth. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Brilliant. Thank you very much. Lovely. Thanks very much. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
He's found out some surprising news. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
-Hello. -David, hi. It's Bob. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:04 | |
Hello, Bob. How you doing? | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
Hiya. Yeah. We're at Wandsworth Register Office. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
When I first applied for the birth certificate, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
the superintendent came out and said that another company had been here | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
looking for it as well, and told them that they couldn't find it. | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
-Right. -Yeah. He said... I'll go and get someone else to check again. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
-Yeah. -They did and they found it this time. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
-They found it. -Yeah. So it is here. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
So the other company don't know that it is actually here. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
-So they've gone away then... the other company. -Exactly. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
May well give us a head start. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:40 | |
Good. We'll see what it says on the birth certificate. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
There's nothing you can do without the birth, is there? | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
Frasers were lucky this time, but they can't take it for granted. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
Their rivals will soon be back on track. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
The heir hunters need to get a move on, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
but for now, all they can do is wait for the red tape to unravel. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
Let's hope the staff at the Register Office | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
are feeling merciful. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
Coming up, will David's gamble to back the Atkinson case pay off? | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
You know, he left over £800 in 1930, which by today's standards, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:14 | |
would have been a lot more, you know. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
Or has he backed the wrong horse? | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
-I mean... -It's dead, isn't it? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
Well, I don't know. I don't know. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
Heir hunters put the puzzle of missing family members together piece by piece. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
But there are often parts of the picture that just don't add up. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
Can you help find the missing links? | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
Muriel Brooks passed away in Ipswich, Suffolk. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
She was 86 years old when she died, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
leaving an estate totalling £40,000. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
Can you prove you were related to Muriel? | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
Irene Walker died in 2005, in West Yorkshire, at the age of 78, | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
leaving nearly £28,000. Are you a relative? | 0:11:54 | 0:11:58 | |
Could you be entitled to her cash? | 0:11:58 | 0:12:00 | |
Kenneth George Edwards died in Birmingham, in 2003, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
at the age of 73. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Although he had £30,000, he didn't leave a will. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
Are you entitled to his cash, or know someone who is? | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
If you have any information which could help solve | 0:12:13 | 0:12:15 | |
any of these unclaimed cases, | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
then take a look at our website - | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
and follow details on what to do next. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
In the race to find heirs, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
Frasers use everything to speed the process and their sophisticated IT resources are second to none. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:39 | |
But at the end of the day, these cases are all about people. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:44 | |
My name's Robert Smith. I'm from a company called Fraser and Fraser. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:47 | |
And the travelling heir hunters | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
are the human face of the company, often managing delicate situations. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
He's actually your half brother. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
-He's dead? Is he? -Yes. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
-And sometimes even reuniting long-lost kin. -Hello. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
-Hello, Beryl. Lovely to meet you. -Nice to meet you, as well. -Thank you very much. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Their investigations can take them down some unexpected paths | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
as Bolton-based traveller, Dave Mansell, found one freezing | 0:13:11 | 0:13:15 | |
Thursday morning a few months ago, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
when he was asked to investigate the case of Ethel Weatherill. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
Looking back at the Weatherill case, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
from memory now it seems like it was a really strange start to a day. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
It may have been strange for Dave, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
but for the office, it was business as usual. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
Ethel Weatherill, seen here in her 30s, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
left a substantial sum of £112,000. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
A retired cleaner, she was 89 when she passed away at home. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
Ethel was always very close to her family. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
In fact, she bought this house in Marple | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
as it was next door to her mother, and brother, Alan. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:55 | |
Now, the deceased, Ethel Weatherill, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
had a brother, Alan, who died aged 19, a bachelor, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
and had another brother, Maurice, who died when he was very nearly 60. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
He was married but had no children. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Frasers knew that she was the eldest of three and had outlived | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
her two younger brothers, Alan and Maurice. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
As she had never married, there were no obvious heirs. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
The team needed to find her parents' names to see if there was | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
extended family who may be in line to inherit. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
Case manager, Frances Brett, was running the investigation. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
I've spoken to her next-door neighbour | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
who knew her extremely well. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
She'd lived there for some 30 years. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
She'd always said that she had nobody once her last brother died. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:44 | |
Believing herself to be alone in the world, Ethel had | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
made a special request to her neighbour before she passed away. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
Now, the next door neighbour was able to tell me | 0:14:53 | 0:14:57 | |
that she insisted, that the deceased, when she was cremated, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
had her remains put with the rest of her family | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
who were buried in Cheadle Cemetery. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
Ethel's dying wish proved invaluable for the heir hunters, | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
as the family plot might include her parents' names. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
And for Dave, this freezing Thursday morning | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
was about to take a turn into the unexpected. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:21 | |
We've sent Dave Mansell along to go and have a look in the cemetery | 0:15:21 | 0:15:27 | |
to see if he can find the grave to get all the information | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
about the family. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
Keep your eyes skimmed now for Cheadle Cemetery. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
This don't look right. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
'You have arrived at your destination.' | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
Cemetery gates. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:52 | |
But finding the gates was the easy part. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
Oh, dear. How are we going to find... | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
..the gravestone here? There are millions. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
The words needle and haystack sprang to mind here. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
Dave thought he might be in for a long, cold morning. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
Fortunately, there were signs of life amongst the gravestones. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
Morning, gents. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
I don't want you laughing when I say this. I'm looking for a grave. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
Ethel Weatherill. What was the date? | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
30th October 2006, in Stockport. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:36 | |
Thank goodness for grave digger, David Hazelhurst. | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
Hiya. Could you find me a grave, please? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
He called Stockport Council | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
who have a master plan of the cemetery on their system. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
87, section 16. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
Thank you very much. Bye. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:52 | |
To go to a graveyard, one as large as that one in Cheadle, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
without the grave digger that happened to be on site that morning, | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
I think six months later | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
we'd have still been looking for the right grave. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
The forward-thinking Weatherill family | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
are all buried together and the graves go back several generations. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
For Dave, it was perfect... | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
just like a family tree, written in stone. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
Hi, Fran. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
Ethel's brother's dates were on the gravestones, | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
but Dave was there for the parents' names. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
Benjamin Weatherill, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
died 23rd August 1950. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:37 | |
And then his wife, Beatrice, | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
died 2nd December '66... | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
..aged 79. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
Once they had this information, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:48 | |
the office had a fighting chance of finding an heir. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:53 | |
Ethel's parents were Beatrice and Benjamin Weatherill. If her | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
parents had any brothers or sisters, there was a possibility that Ethel | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
might have cousins who were still alive. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
If so, they would be in line to inherit. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
That's it. We're going to go and wrap | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
our fingers around a warm cup of coffee somewhere. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
-Bye-bye. -Bye. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
After a morning in sub-zero temperatures, | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
all Dave could do was wait while the office worked the clues. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
This is the first time in ten years | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
I've had a chance to get a cup of coffee. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
Pull the other one, Dave. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
Frances was right to send Dave to the cemetery, as the vital details | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
from the gravestones did fast-track the investigation. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
In less than an hour, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
they had built a family tree and had identified several heirs. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
-Hiya, Gareth. -'Do you want to go and see someone?' | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
Well, it'd be a starter for ten. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
'Have you got anything on the maternal side of the case?' | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
No. I've got mother and father and the three children. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
'Right. OK. Well, there's quite a lot to it, now.' | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
It seemed at that point | 0:18:55 | 0:18:57 | |
that all the heirs were on the maternal side of the family. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Ethel's mother, Beatrice, had a sister called Elizabeth | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
and she married and had seven children. | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
They have all since died, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
but their offspring would be entitled to inherit. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
Frasers had tracked down two children of Ethel's cousin, James... | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
Doreen and her brother, also named James. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
It seems Ethel did have relatives and on top of that, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
they only lived a few miles away. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
We're off to see a gentleman who was born in 1932. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
Dave arrived to see the first heir, James, just after lunch. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
His father was Ethel's cousin. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
As the office had already briefed James, Dave was able | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
to get straight down to the paperwork. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
Easier said than done. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
What date did he get married? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
-11th of... -12th. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
12th. 12th of... I always get this wrong... | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
12th March. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
It's always the lady that gets it right. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
Were it 50? | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
-Five. -55. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:00 | |
1955. And your wife's full name is? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:03 | |
Frances... | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
..you haven't got a middle name, have you? | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
-No. -You know, | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
I'd never thought of that. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
Been married 53 years, nearly. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:13 | |
It's like a comedy of errors, this. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
-At least we can laugh. -Yes. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
Now, does Weatherill mean anything to you? | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
-Weatherill. Yeah. -Right. What do you know about Weatherill? | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Not a lot, but I think, actually, he was a cousin to my father. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:31 | |
They lived in Cheadle. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
Well, it's descendants of them where the person's died | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
-without leaving a will. -Oh. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
It was hard work, but they got there in the end. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
-Reds or blues? -What? | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
-Football. -Oh, reds. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
For Dave, meeting the heirs is always the icing on the cake. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
Pleasure to meet you. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:53 | |
They are pleased, very pleased, to see you and it's not always | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
because of the money that they're going to get. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
It's because of the fact that they can discuss families, family members, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:06 | |
people they've not seen for many years. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
It was very interesting | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
and as Dave said, | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
it got the old grey cells working. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
And it's made my day, really. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
After signing James, Dave called on his sister, Doreen. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
She recalled her distant cousin, Ethel, from her youth. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
It brought back a lot of memories. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
Lots of things I could remember and lots of things I couldn't... | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
because I only met him | 0:21:38 | 0:21:41 | |
twice, I should imagine, at the most. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
-Ethel's aunt and uncle were Doreen's grandparents. -He was a very | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
nice, dapper little gentlemen and he always waxed his moustache... | 0:21:49 | 0:21:54 | |
and that's Grandma and her sister | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
was mother to Ethel. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
But whatever we get, | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
it's more for the family than for ourselves. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
Since that freezing Thursday in January, Frasers have continued | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
the hunt for heirs to Ethel's estate with surprising results. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
We've ended up with a massive family tree, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
and we've seen absolutely dozens of people | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
who will be heirs to this estate. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
They've also discovered the case was worth a lot more than they thought. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:31 | |
The estate's valued at about £140,000. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
Very few will get an absolute life changing sum, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
but everybody will get something. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:39 | |
So the case has been well worth doing. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
It's been a really interesting case to do. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
A lot of work but worth it in the end. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
The great sadness here, is that | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
in life, Ethel Weatherill believed she didn't have any family left. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:54 | |
Perhaps she would draw comfort from the fact that her legacy | 0:22:54 | 0:22:57 | |
is being shared by so many. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
It's Fraser and Fraser's business to track down heirs | 0:23:10 | 0:23:13 | |
to unclaimed estates, giving relatives the inheritance | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
that is rightfully theirs. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:18 | |
Today, senior case manager, David Pacifico, is pursuing | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
the case of Derek Atkinson who died alone in this care home. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:27 | |
It's proving to be a tough case. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
At the moment, we don't know what the value of it is. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
And it's possible that he might be illegitimate. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:39 | |
The heir hunters are desperate to get his mother's name from his birth | 0:23:41 | 0:23:44 | |
certificate, so they can start the family tree and the hunt for heirs. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
And there's another pressure. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:50 | |
They know that a rival company is chasing the same case. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
Bob, are you back in the Registry Office yet? | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
Yeah. | 0:23:58 | 0:23:59 | |
Travelling heir hunter, Bob Smith, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
has been at the Wandsworth Register Office for over an hour. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
But has the wait been worth it? | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
Thanks a lot. Bye. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
Bob calls in with the news. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
I've got the birth of our deceased. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
-Born... -Yeah. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:17 | |
24th January 1927. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
-Yeah. -No father shown. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
-Right. -The mother is Nellie Atkinson. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
We've got the birth of the deceased and it is illegit. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
No father's shown on the birth and the mother is Nellie Atkinson. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
It's a major breakthrough, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
as the mother, Nellie Atkinson, is the lynchpin to the case. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
And now the heir hunters can put a family tree together. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
So, can we see if there's any for Nellie? | 0:24:44 | 0:24:46 | |
Do you want to do marriages? I'll just check deaths. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
By searching the birth, death and marriage records, they are hoping | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
they will find Nellie's parents and possibly, if she had any siblings. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
But David's got another idea. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
Good afternoon. I'm trying to check an old electoral roll address | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
for an address in Lambeth SE5. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
David's using the electoral roll | 0:25:06 | 0:25:08 | |
to see if the address from the birth certificate had any other | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
Atkinsons living there in 1927, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
the year that Derek was born. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:17 | |
Noel, I've got something for you. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
That address, I've just heard back from the... | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
and we've got two Atkinsons there. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
Alice Emma Atkinson and Walter Alexander Atkinson. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
I think these may be the grandparents. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:29 | |
David's inspired piece of research has saved | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
precious minutes in the race to find family members. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:36 | |
The heir hunters can now build their family tree. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
They know that Derek's mum was called Nellie Atkinson | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
and they believe her parents were Walter Alexander Atkinson | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
and Alice Emma Atkinson, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
so they need to see if they can find any brothers or sisters for Nellie. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
Travelling heir hunter, Bob Smith's | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
at Wandsworth Register Office, waiting for news. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
-David has a job for him. -Yep. Yeah. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
So, David's asked me to get a copy of the marriage of the grandparents, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:08 | |
which is here and perhaps try and see if we can do a birth search | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
to see if there are any other siblings. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
Back in the office, research director, Noel, | 0:26:14 | 0:26:16 | |
has uncovered a basic death record, which might reveal a lot more about Nellie. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:22 | |
Methinks she may have died a spinster, in 1985, in Worthing, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
and what I want to do is to find out if the death coincides with the birth | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
and who the informant is on that death. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
Maybe it might have been a nephew or niece of the mother which... | 0:26:34 | 0:26:37 | |
better for us. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
David needs to get a man down to Worthing to pick up Nellie's death certificate. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
With Bob Smith in place at Wandsworth, trying to find potential siblings to Nellie, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:48 | |
he calls another travelling heir hunter, Bob Barrett. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:52 | |
-Hello. -Bob. Hello. It's David. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
-Hello, mate. -May need a death certificate picked up from Worthing. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
-Okey-doke. -Can you get there in an hour? They close at four. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
It's about half past two now, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
just after half past two and it's about 40 miles away, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
so I should be able to get there in time, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:13 | |
provided they're not too busy when I arrive. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
Back in the office, Noel and David have come up with a cunning plan. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
They're going through the census. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
This is a national population survey which has been conducted | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
by the government every ten years since 1841. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
It's a comprehensive list of the names of all the people living at every address in Britain. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
They are only released 100 years after they were taken, so the latest | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
census the Frasers' team have is from 1901. Nellie and her | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
family were living at this house in South London in that year. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
She would have been eight and the census may reveal other siblings in the household. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
The good news is that it confirms they have the right family, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
but it looks like Noel's uncovered a problem. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
Right. Do you want to fill me in? You say it's a | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
-potentially dead case. -Because... -01 census... -01 census of Walter... | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
-living with who? -Alice, and Nellie. -She's eight years old. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:09 | |
She's eight years old, with two servants and they're both 37. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:13 | |
Noel is concerned because he believes that Nellie's the only child listed. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:18 | |
And has her parents were in their late 30s at the time, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
it is less likely there would be more offspring. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
Well, there's a possibility there may not be any heirs on this case, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
if the mother was an only child and on the 01 census there was no other siblings of her shown... | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
but, and it is a big but, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:35 | |
there may well be other births after 01. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
But David's not about to give up. He's determined to find an heir. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
Can you check to see if there are any births after 01 of Atkinsons in Wandsworth or Lambeth? | 0:28:41 | 0:28:48 | |
The census has revealed something else about Nellie's parents, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:52 | |
which could prove beneficial to the case. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
If he's got servants that makes it even better. | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
If he's got servants, the grandparents, then the deceased, hopefully, he's got money. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
This has opened up another area to investigate. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
David has decided to order up a copy of Nellie's father, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
Walter Atkinson's will from the Registry of Probates, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
which is a few miles from their office. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
We need to know what's on the will and this is where we'll know, probably, how many children he had. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
In Wandsworth, travelling heir hunter, Bob Smith's been asked to do | 0:29:22 | 0:29:26 | |
a birth search on possible siblings for Nellie, but there's a problem. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
So we can't... | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
-definitely can't do it today. -No. -Can't do it tomorrow. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
And, obviously, probably closed, aren't you? | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
-We're just closed for the holidays. -Yeah. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
With the Christmas holidays looming, it will be weeks before they can do the search. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
They really need Nellie's death certificate. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
Luckily, Bob Barrett's made good progress on the road to Worthing. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
He's just arrived at the Register Office in the nick of time. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
In the office, David's stuck in limbo. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
He's waiting for the grandfather's will and the information from the death certificate. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
The stress has pushed him to comfort eating. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
I'm going to have a bad lunch today. I'm going to have my croissant and a mince pie. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:11 | |
But before he can digest his first mouthful, it's action stations. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:16 | |
The will has arrived. This document could blow the whole case wide open. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
I've got the will of the grandfather here. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:24 | |
You know, he left over £800 in 1930, | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
which, by today's standards, would be a lot more, you know. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
£800 in the '30s is the equivalent | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
of £22,000 in today's cash. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
So there was some money in the family, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
but who did Derek's grandfather leave it to? | 0:30:39 | 0:30:42 | |
Three or four of my children. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
It doesn't actually give details of any of his children. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
The date of the will was 1892. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:53 | |
He only got married a year before that. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
So he made the will just after his marriage. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
So Walter made the will a long time before he had any children. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:04 | |
His forward thinking hasn't helped David, though. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:06 | |
-Research director, Gareth Langford can't resist having a dig. -I mean, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
-I'm not... -It's dead, isn't it? -I don't know. I don't know. Who knows? | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
It seems this case has stalled and they really need a break. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
David's pinning all his hopes on Nellie's death certificate | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
which Bob Barrett has just collected in Worthing. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
-Hello. -Hello, David. -Hello, Bob. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
The very obliging staff at Worthing have produced a certificate for me. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
-Right. -It's Nellie Atkinson. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
-Yeah. -Died 18th March 1985. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
And the informant... | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
-Yeah. -..was Nancy Joan Darlow Atkinson. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
-Sister-in-law. -Sister-in-law. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
That's an astounding piece of news. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
It seems that Nellie may not have been an only child. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
Well, basically, the informant on what I believe is the mother's | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
death, is a sister-in-law, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
which means that she may well have had a brother. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
Because Nellie had a sister-in-law, | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
she must have had a brother. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:11 | |
If he has had children, they would be Derek Atkinson's cousins | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
and therefore, heirs to his estate. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
We need to pick up the death of Nancy Joan Darlow Atkinson. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
It would show who she was the wife or widow of, and then, | 0:32:26 | 0:32:31 | |
obviously, check to see if there's any issue of that marriage. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
But at just after 4pm, they're cutting it fine. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
The sister-in-law's name is the key to finding Nellie's brother. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:42 | |
Is there a way we can find that marriage? | 0:32:42 | 0:32:44 | |
Perhaps we could work it back. Alexander. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:47 | |
Noel's looking for the marriage details on their system. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
And David starts scanning the electoral roll for the address | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
sister-in-law Nancy gave on Nellie's death certificate. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
That ties in with this. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:00 | |
Suddenly, he hits gold. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
There's somebody called Johnny Atkinson living at the same place | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
as where the sister-in-law lived until she died. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
Also living there was Alexander Atkinson, | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
who we now know was Nellie's brother. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
So, it looks like Nellie had a brother called Alexander Atkinson. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
He was born in 1901, | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
just after the census when Nellie was eight years old. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
But what about the third name listed at the address? | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
Was John Atkinson, Alexander and Nancy's son? | 0:33:31 | 0:33:35 | |
One way to find out is to get Nancy's death certificate. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
Tomorrow morning, I'm going to get Bob Barrett to go | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
to Leatherhead Register Office to pick up a death in 1995, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
of the mother's sister-in-law, to see who the informant is. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
It's gone 4pm | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
and after four hours stuck in Wandsworth, | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
Bob Smith's feeling a little jaded. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
Hello, Bob. David. I just want to update you. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
'I'm using Bob, obviously, to get the death.' | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
I'm missing out again, Dave. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
-'What?' -I'm missing out... | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
I'm getting withdrawal symptoms. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
I haven't been to see anyone for such a long time. OK. Thanks, Dave. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
-'Cheers, Bob.' -Thanks a lot. Bye. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:15 | |
'Bye.' | 0:34:15 | 0:34:16 | |
Well, self explanatory. I'm not needed any more now. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
Well, Bob can go home, but David's going into overtime. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
He's determined to crack this case | 0:34:25 | 0:34:28 | |
before the day is out. In one last ditch attempt, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
he phones the house listed for Nancy on Nellie's death certificate, | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
hoping to gather information. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:37 | |
I'm going to phone up somebody now owning the property | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
where the family used to live and something might come up. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
Oh, hello. Mrs O'Brian? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
I'm sorry to trouble you. I wonder if you can help me. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:49 | |
We're trying to trace a family that used to live at Corner Cottage. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
People by the name of Atkinson. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
We think there might have been children, or at least a son. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
Two children, a son and a daughter. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
It's a lucky strike and a cracking piece of news. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
That last minute phone call has uncovered another heir. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
Heather and John are both cousins to the deceased, but they've still | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
got a long way to go if they're to find them before the competition. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:17 | |
But at least we've done a lot of work today | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
and it's paid dividends, I think. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:23 | |
Dave got results, but it's time to down tools. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
Tomorrow, they need to track down John and Heather. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
Nothing is over until the heirs have signed on the dotted line. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
Government coffers are overflowing with cash that is yet to be claimed. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:45 | |
Is it possible that you are due some inheritance? | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Arthur Colin Parker died in Flintshire, at the age of 71. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
He left a tidy sum of £76,000. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:57 | |
Are you entitled to his fortune? | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
William Isles passed away in the Borough of Westminster, | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
at the age of 72, leaving £20,000. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
Are you related to William? | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
Can you prove you're entitled to his cash? | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
John Martin died in July 2005 | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
in Exeter, Devon, at the age of 61. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
He left behind a small estate of £22,000. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
If you are related to John Martin and can prove it, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
you could be in line for a windfall. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
If you have any information on these cases, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:32 | |
then take a look at our website - | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
It's Friday, the second day on the case of Derek Atkinson, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:51 | |
who died with no known family, in a care home in East London. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
He never mentioned any family. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
-He did have family but they lost contact many, many years ago. -Right. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:02 | |
Senior case manager, David Pacifico and his team, still | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
don't know the value of the case, | 0:37:05 | 0:37:07 | |
but they have found out that Derek was illegitimate. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
Through dogged pursuit of the clues, they discover | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
that his mother, Nellie, had a brother called Alexander. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:16 | |
Well, basically, the informant on what I believe is the mother's death | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
is the sister-in-law, which means that she may well have had a brother. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:24 | |
They know that Alexander Atkinson | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
and his wife, Nancy, had two children and they will be heirs. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
And today, the race is on to track them down. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
In the hope that it will contain details on the heirs, | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
Bob Barrett's just collected Nancy's death certificate. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
-'Morning, Bob.' -Hiya. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:43 | |
I've just picked up Nancy Atkinson's death certificate. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
-'Oh, yeah.' -Widow of Alexander Herbert Bramley Atkinson. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:53 | |
Informant, John Edward Alexander Atkinson. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:58 | |
Son in attendance. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:01 | |
Nancy's death certificate confirms their first heir, | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
but the office has already been hard at work | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
and David has some news for Bob. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:09 | |
'We think he's now down in Chichester.' | 0:38:09 | 0:38:13 | |
-Right. -'Do you fancy a trip down there?' -Sure. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:18 | |
-'What we don't know is where Heather is, the sister.' -Right. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
While the office keep hunting for Heather, John's sister, and also | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
a cousin of Derek's, Bob races to Chichester to meet John Atkinson. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
They're hoping he's in and that he hasn't been approached by a rival company. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:35 | |
At the moment, the way it stands, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
we've only got the possibility of two beneficiaries unless we get | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
more information from the family, because we can't be certain that | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
the deceased mother may not have had other brothers and sisters, | 0:38:46 | 0:38:51 | |
although I think it may be unlikely, | 0:38:51 | 0:38:53 | |
but nonetheless, if anybody should know, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
hopefully he and/or his sister or his cousins. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
John may be able to shed some light on other possible heirs, | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
but will he have any idea he had a cousin called Derek, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
who was brought up by the Salvation Army? | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
I'm not sure what knowledge they'll have about the cousin, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
because the deceased was brought up not by the mother, it would seem, | 0:39:11 | 0:39:17 | |
from the initial enquiry. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
In Chichester, it's good news. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
John Atkinson is in. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
I'm Bob Barrett, from a firm called Fraser and Fraser. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:27 | |
-We're probate researchers. -Yes. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
And even better, Bob's got there before the competition, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
thanks to the heir hunters' hard work. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
We believe that you are an heir to some money and we'd like to act | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
-for you to claim the money. -Right. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
So what is this particular estate? | 0:39:43 | 0:39:46 | |
Unless it is a very close relative, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:48 | |
-we don't disclose who it is until a person has become a client. -Right. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:53 | |
Bob's keeping his information close to his chest and to double check | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
if John is their man, Bob asks him some basic family questions. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:02 | |
-Your father was Alexander Herbert Bramley Atkinson. -That's right. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:07 | |
So far so good, but John has a surprise for Bob. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
He had two sisters who lived in Worthing. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:16 | |
Do you remember the names? | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
One was called Winifred. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
That's a turn up for the books. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
Frasers thought Nellie only had a brother, Alexander, John's father, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:30 | |
but now they know she also had a sister, Winifred... | 0:40:30 | 0:40:32 | |
but did Winifred marry or have children? | 0:40:32 | 0:40:37 | |
-Did she marry? -No. She didn't. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
-Any children? -No. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
So John is confident there are no heirs through Winifred, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
but does he know about his cousin, Derek? | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
And the other sister was called Nellie... | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
Atkinson. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:55 | |
Did she marry? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:57 | |
No. No children. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
So John has no idea about Derek. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
Clearly, he was a family secret and Bob decides to leave it that way, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
as John says he'd like to speak to his sister, Heather, before signing. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
-Nice to meet you. -And you. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:13 | |
Thanks. Thanks very much for seeing me at such short notice. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:18 | |
-It's been very interesting. -Hope we meet again. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
-I shall be in touch, anyway, give the company a ring and take it from there. -Thanks a lot. Bye-bye. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
Bye then. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
The Atkinson case is a prime example | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
of why heir hunting can be so challenging. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Secrets that have been hidden for generations are uncovered | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
and laid bare through the simple act of ordering up a birth certificate. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
Bob Barrett phones the news in to David. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
What did he know about the family? | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
Very little. There was another sister. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
-Right. -The other sister, Winifred, was also a spinster. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:54 | |
Now, she died sometime in the '70s in Worthing. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:57 | |
-Yeah. -And Nellie, who he believed was a spinster with no issue. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:02 | |
So he didn't know that Nellie had any issue? | 0:42:02 | 0:42:07 | |
-No. -He'll be surprised when he learns that his aunt may have been a spinster with a child. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
Exactly. Yeah. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
-So that's it then. Thanks, Bob. -Cheers. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Bye. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
After a day and a half of solid investigation, they found the heirs to Derek Atkinson's estate. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:25 | |
If Winifred dies, no issue, then we're left with just John | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
and his sister as the only two claimants on this. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:31 | |
In the end, John did find out that he had a cousin, Derek, | 0:42:31 | 0:42:35 | |
and decided to file his own claim. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
Because of this, Frasers will never know how much | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
Derek Atkinson left behind. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:42 | |
The minimum value of any estate on the government's list is £5,000, | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
but as far as the exact amount, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
rather like Derek Atkinson himself, | 0:42:51 | 0:42:53 | |
it remains a family secret. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
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