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Welcome to Heir Hunters where we follow the search for relatives | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
of people who've died without leaving a will | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
hoping to unite them with forgotten fortunes. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
A team of Heir Hunters is chasing through the leafy lanes of Surrey, | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
hunting for people due a small fortune. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
I'm too old to be running. Are you Natalie? | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
They're looking for relatives who have no idea they may be in line for a windfall. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:27 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
On today's programme, the Heir Hunters tackle a highly unusual case... | 0:00:47 | 0:00:53 | |
The difficulty in this case is the fact that he died seven or eight years ago. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:58 | |
..that leads them from one young man's tragedy to its chilling consequences. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:04 | |
I just think it's really sad that someone with so much potential, | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
that life ended like that. It's really sad. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
And the fascinating story of how this man's talent took him to the giddy heights of the art world. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:20 | |
He restored for Christie's, Sotheby's, all the major people. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
And I'll be meeting up with the Heir Hunters who helped me map out my family tree. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
That would make him being born? | 0:01:29 | 0:01:34 | |
Oh, my maths is awful. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:35 | |
Plus how you could be entitled to unclaimed estates where heirs still need to be found. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
Could you be in line for a cash payout? | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Every year in the UK, it's estimated that over 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:56 | |
If no relatives are found, then any money they've left behind will go to the government. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:02 | |
And last year, that was a staggering £14 million. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
But over 30 specialist firms are competing to stop this happening. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:10 | |
They're the Heir Hunters and they try to track down missing relatives | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
Putting families back together, cousins who haven't seen each other for 30, 40 years, | 0:02:19 | 0:02:24 | |
this is the whole thing about the job which I love. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:27 | |
Heir Hunters often bring joy to people, reuniting families | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
who've lost touch over time, | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
but sometimes their investigations can uncover a life story | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
that's far from happy. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
It's 7am in London. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
Overnight, the Treasury has released their weekly list of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:54 | |
In the offices of Fraser & Fraser... | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
We need the death certificate on that. | 0:02:57 | 0:02:59 | |
..partner Charles Fraser is scanning the options. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
We've got a nice, short list today, so there are probably about four cases we'll look at. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
Case manager David Pacifico is shocked by one of the names on the list. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
-Have you got a birth for him? -Yeah. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
Brett Peter Miller who died in 2003. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:18 | |
We've got one born in 1964 here. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
Getting younger and younger. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
Brett Miller, seen here in his 20s, was just 39 when he died. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
He worked as an electrical engineer. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
We were doing charades there, weren't we? | 0:03:37 | 0:03:42 | |
Alison is not a blood relative, but married into the family. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
That's his most favourite photo that I used to show to all his girlfriends. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:51 | |
She and her daughter Rachel knew Brett as a teenager. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
Brett was very friendly and he was very outgoing. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
He tried hard, you know, to help anybody. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
He used to make you laugh all the time. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
He was a really funny person. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
I've got a lot of nice little memories of him, | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
my ex-husband and him dancing around in the living room after we'd had a little party, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:22 | |
then falling through my room divider with my favourite ornaments, | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
knocking it over and just breaking all my ornaments. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
But he managed to chat his way out of that as well. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
He may have been a charmer, but sometimes Alison saw a darker side to his personality. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:39 | |
Occasionally, he had his moments when he was quite a rebel, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
but generally, he was a really lovely, outgoing, friendly person. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
At the time Brett died, he was living in a Housing Association flat. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
Nobody thought he had any money. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
Sometimes when names appear on the Treasury list, | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
it's because money has come to light or an investment has matured. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
At this stage, the Heir Hunters know nothing about Brett and have no leads as to the value of his estate. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:18 | |
Brett Peter Miller, probably small value. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
The minimum amount needed to make it on to the list is £5,000. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:26 | |
Heir Hunters work on commission, taking a percentage of the money received by each heir they sign. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:32 | |
They need a good-sized estate to cover costs. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
But in this case, they have a trump card. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
Although the surname Miller is common, the combination of Brett and Miller is unusual. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:44 | |
We look to see if there's any close kin, even if it may be low value. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
With a name like Brett Miller, it's easy to identify, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
easy to identify marriages... | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
..and also whether he had siblings. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
David is disturbed by Brett's early death. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:02 | |
He was only 39 when he died. Most of our deceased are much older. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
It will be interesting to see the cause of death on this one. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
David has Brett's last known address in Surrey | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
and he's hoping neighbours may remember something about him. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
-He gives travelling Heir Hunter Bob Barratt a call. -Good morning, Bob. -Hello, David. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:24 | |
Bob is one of the company's experienced mobile Heir Hunters. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
Every Thursday, they take to the road, poised to follow the leads, ordering certificates... | 0:06:31 | 0:06:36 | |
-Thanks very much. -..and canvassing neighbours... -Mrs Holman? -Yes. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
-Thank you. -..intent on staying one step ahead of the competition | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
and getting to the people who are the rightful heirs. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
We've got Miller in Surrey. Brett Peter Miller. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
I'm afraid he's much younger than us. It's a Housing Association, by the way, this address. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:59 | |
-Right. -We're looking for near kin. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
Thanks, Bob. Bye. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Right. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
I'm going over to Deepcut to try and make some inquiries with regard to Brett Miller | 0:07:08 | 0:07:14 | |
who died back in 2003 and wasn't very old. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:18 | |
My guess is there's probably a tale there. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:22 | |
I'll start off by seeing whether the neighbours can tell me anything - was he married, did he have children? | 0:07:22 | 0:07:29 | |
While Bob makes his way to the last registered address for Brett Miller, | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
in the office, the research team are starting to draw up a family tree. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:38 | |
-Have you got a birth for him? -Yeah. -Where is it for? -Windsor. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
-Can you check for any near kin on that? -Yeah. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
Heir Hunters use these documents to guide them through the twists and turns of families. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:52 | |
They break down every generation until they find the rightful heirs. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
And Dave was right. Brett's name has been easy to research. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
That's in Kensington and Chelsea. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
When's that birth? 1999? | 0:08:02 | 0:08:04 | |
James Harry. So this could be a child. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
In just 20 minutes of research, they've made a startling discovery. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
Brett was married to Trudi in 1986 when he was just 22 years old. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
The couple went on to have a son, James. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
If they were still married when Brett died, then his wife Trudi will be first in line to inherit. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:29 | |
But first they need some more facts. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
There's two things here. Firstly, is the wife still alive? | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
If so, was she still married to him? Possibility of divorce, then she doesn't come into it. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
If Brett has divorced Trudi, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
that means the next in line to inherit will be his son James. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
The child might come into it unless the child was adopted out. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
Sometimes when partners remarry, a child can be adopted by the new step-parent. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
This could have happened to James which means the next in line to inherit will be Brett's parents | 0:08:58 | 0:09:04 | |
if they're still alive. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
-Do you know what the parents' names are? -Not yet. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
If one of you can look up a birth on this, see if there's a birth on that one there... | 0:09:11 | 0:09:17 | |
Using the birth records, the researchers find | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
that Brett's parents were Sidney Miller and Marlene Starkey. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:24 | |
He also had three brothers. If the parents have passed away, they could be next in line to inherit. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:32 | |
Possible child. If not, it could be parents. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
If not, there's a brother, | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
so we've got a choice of potentially near kin here. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:41 | |
It's only eight o'clock in the morning and they have a family tree, | 0:09:41 | 0:09:46 | |
but to crack this, they need to speak directly to a family member. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
The researchers are trawling local Surrey directories when Debbie strikes gold. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:56 | |
They have found a phone number for a woman who was married to one of Brett's brothers in the 1980s. | 0:09:56 | 0:10:02 | |
David, I've got the ex-wife of the brother of the deceased on the phone. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:07 | |
-How do you know it's the ex-wife? -She's remarried. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
It's the break they're looking for. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
She's not a blood relative and not entitled, but maybe she'll know how to find James. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
-She'll know what happened. -Yeah. -Right. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
David gets straight on the phone to her. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
Sorry to trouble you so early in the morning. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
I'm not sure if you're aware that Brett passed away some years ago. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
We're trying to track down his next of kin. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
But it's not good news. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
Right. No idea whereabouts? | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
It's so long since she divorced Brett's brother, the ex-wife has lost touch with the entire family. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:50 | |
But she was able to fill them in on how Brett died | 0:10:50 | 0:10:55 | |
and it's left Dave stunned. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
The deceased committed suicide, yeah. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:00 | |
Why? Do you know? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
Whatever it is, committing suicide is a very desperate and final thing to do, isn't it? | 0:11:04 | 0:11:10 | |
It's profoundly sad. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
Brett was just 39 years old when he died. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:18 | |
What drove him to something so extreme? | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
And as his death was eight years ago, | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
why has he suddenly cropped up on the Treasury list of unclaimed estates? | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
The researchers are desperately looking for a family member who can help answer these questions. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:36 | |
-Get David to phone the ex-wife. -Yeah. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
In the search, they've stumbled upon another ex-wife of another of Brett's brothers. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:46 | |
Alison's on the phone, so you can give her a call and see where the ex-husband is. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
Not another! They're all married and all divorced. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
This is a crucial call. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
Will this other ex-wife know the answers to who is entitled? | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
Can she confirm that Brett's parents are alive? | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
Hello. Is that a Mrs Miller? | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
Or whether his son James has been adopted out of the family? | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
I mean, James was born in 1990. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
But then she drops a bombshell which changes everything. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
But you don't know the names of the children or the girlfriend? | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
This call seems to have opened a whole new can of worms. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
It's a bit complicated. Thank you very much indeed, Mrs Miller. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
She confirmed that Brett was divorced from Trudi, although they don't know what happened to Trudi. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:43 | |
He also had another girlfriend with whom he had two children, but no idea who they are. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
This is more research they didn't see coming. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
They can't locate Brett's ex-wife Trudi | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
and without a marriage certificate, how will they locate the name and address of his girlfriend? | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
Dave gives travelling Heir Hunter Bob Barratt a call. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
-'Hi, Bob.' -Hi. -'This is getting more complicated. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
-'He's supposed to have had a girlfriend with two children as well.' -Right. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
So now they've got three children that could be heirs, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
but no way of contacting the mothers. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
The phone call did rule out Brett's parents Sidney and Marlene as they have both passed away. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:25 | |
So now it's vital that they find either Trudi, Brett's ex-wife, or his former girlfriend. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:33 | |
Bob is left pondering the news. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
His girlfriend has no entitlement, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
but all his children from his marriage or his girlfriend will be entitled. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
I'll see what I can find out by knocking at one of these neighbours. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
This is a long shot. Brett lived here in 2003. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
No luck. I'll try round the corner. | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
Will anyone remember anything about a neighbour from that long ago? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
I've only lived here three years. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:06 | |
I'm trying to find out something about a neighbour that used to live upstairs. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:11 | |
No joy here either. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:13 | |
Thanks ever so much. Cheers. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
No luck. No-one's lived here long enough to have known Mr Miller. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:22 | |
I'd better tell them in the office and see what else they want me to do. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
But while Bob has hit a brick wall, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
in the office, there's been a massive breakthrough. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
Researcher Alan has been looking at birth records. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
He has found Brett's two children. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
He's on the birth certificate as the father. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
And their mother's name Natalie is also on the register. From there, he's found a current address. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:50 | |
Natalie holds the key to cracking the case. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
She was living with the deceased until his death. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
They desperately need to speak to Natalie, but they must tread carefully. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:05 | |
Her and Brett's children are young teenagers. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:08 | |
Travelling Heir Hunter Bob Barratt has been sent to Natalie's house. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:18 | |
Do you think she'll be back in a bit? | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
She's not in, but she should be back soon from the school run. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
Bob might think he's in for a quick kip, but there's no rest for the wicked. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
The neighbour has indicated that Natalie is about to walk down the road, so I'd better go and see her. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:37 | |
Have they found Natalie? | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
I'm too old to be running. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
Could this woman be the key to unlocking the case? | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
-Coming up, the chase is on, but have they been barking up the wrong tree? -I don't know. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:01 | |
Are you Natalie? | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
And what happened to Brett and his family? | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
He loved his children. You know, he loved James. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
He was very proud of him. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Heir Hunters solve thousands of cases a year | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
and millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs, | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
but not every case can be cracked. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
The Treasury has a database of over 2,000 names | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
that have baffled the Heir Hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
This is known as the Bona Vacantia list. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
Bona Vacantia is the Latin term for ownerless property. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
There's two main types. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
There's the property of now-dissolved companies | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
and the estates of those who die without a valid will or entitled kin. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
Are today's cases relatives of yours? | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Could you be in line for hundreds, thousands, or even millions of pounds? | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
Terpsithea Ellinas died in Southall, Middlesex on 23 November 2003. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:05 | |
Both of Terpsithea's names are Greek. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
Did you know Terpsithea? | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
Did she ever speak to you about any family she had here or in Greece? | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
Charlotte Titchiner passed away in Upminster, Essex. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
She died on 10 October 1998. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
Titchiner is a very rare surname | 0:17:23 | 0:17:26 | |
with only around a dozen people in a million with the name. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
Do you share the surname Titchiner? | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
Could Charlotte be a relative of yours? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
Does the name Samuel Archibald Illingworth ring any bells? | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
Samuel died on 25 January 2002 in Leeds, West Yorkshire. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
Samuel's last name Illingworth comes from that area. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
Were you a friend or neighbour of Samuel's? | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
Can you help solve his case? | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
Those names again. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:57 | |
Terpsithea Ellinas, | 0:17:57 | 0:17:59 | |
Charlotte Titchiner, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
and Samuel Illingworth. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
If any of today's names are relatives of yours | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
then you could be entitled to their unclaimed estate. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
Our next case involves a man from Essex who was blessed with | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
an artistic talent, but who died without leaving a will. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
In every family, there are secrets waiting to be uncovered, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
but not all of them are tragic. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
In some cases, in their hunt to find the heirs, the researchers discover fascinating stories | 0:18:30 | 0:18:36 | |
of people whose lives straddled key moments in history. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:40 | |
Fraser & Fraser case manager Dave Slee found this when he investigated the fascinating life | 0:18:40 | 0:18:46 | |
of art restorer John Woor. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
Of course, my ears pricked up at the thought that these might be valuable paintings. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:55 | |
John Woor, seen here in the only photo that exists of him, | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
was 87 when he passed away. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
He lived in this modest, semi-detached rented cottage in Essex. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:09 | |
Inside, it had been stripped bare, except for hundreds of oil paintings. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
And with rumour of hidden funds amounting to £13,000 in a bank account, | 0:19:14 | 0:19:19 | |
Dave suspected that there could be rich pickings. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
It all started when a neighbour got in touch. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
She believed that the deceased had died without leaving a will | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
and that his house, though he didn't own his own home, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
contained a number of artefacts, including a number of what she thought may be valuable paintings. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
Art gallery owner Derek Sorrell knew John for 30 years of his life. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
He first met him when he came into his gallery. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
John was an extremely kind man, extremely kind to all of my family. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:53 | |
He taught my son to restore. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
My son started when he was 16 years of age and John taught him for 20-odd years. | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
And he was a character. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
John never spoke of his family, but he did tell Derek about his wife Madeleine | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
and how his life changed after her death. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
His home was a nice home when his wife was alive | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
and after she died, John stripped the home of everything - | 0:20:16 | 0:20:19 | |
all furniture, all carpets, everything out of the property, | 0:20:19 | 0:20:23 | |
and lived very, very basically from then on in. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
Because of John's solitary existence, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:31 | |
his £13,000 estate, including what could be valuable paintings, lay unclaimed. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:36 | |
But Dave Slee was determined to find a rightful heir. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
I was fortunate that the neighbour knew the deceased very well. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:46 | |
The deceased had told her that he was married during his lifetime, | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
that his wife pre-deceased him and they had no children. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
Dave's next step was to look for brothers or sisters. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
John Woor was born in 1923 in Edmonton, North London, | 0:20:58 | 0:21:04 | |
so I undertook a search for birth records | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
and I established that the deceased had a sister called Eunice, | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
but she didn't in fact survive infancy. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
Dave was able to draw up the first stage of John Woor's family tree. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
His parents were James Woor and Mary Ann Farrow. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
Dave knew that he would have to look further back, hoping to find cousins who might be in line to inherit, | 0:21:24 | 0:21:30 | |
and he had an advantage. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
This is an estate where I had the luxury of researching a fairly uncommon surname in Woor, | 0:21:33 | 0:21:39 | |
so firstly, our research was on the paternal family, the Woor side. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:46 | |
In fact, the name Woor is incredibly rare. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
There are just two in a million. The largest concentration of them seem to be in East Anglia. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
John Woor certainly had lots of ties to this area. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
And Dave was to discover that during the war years, even his regiment had links. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:06 | |
John Woor was just 16 when World War Two broke out. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:14 | |
As soon as he was old enough, he volunteered to join the army | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
and in 1944, he was transferred to the 2nd Battalion Suffolk. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:22 | |
John's battalion was sent to Asia | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
where they became involved in policing the post-war independence of India. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
Attlee's government decided to partition India into two countries. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
The Muslims were given modern-day Pakistan in the north | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
and the Hindus were given India to the south. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
Suddenly, those two countries come into being. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
They have no working government, no economies. It was a disaster. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
And when the borders were drawn up, millions of people found themselves displaced. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
There are at least 15 million refugees who suddenly have to leave their homes, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
go into countries they've never been in before, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
all just for the sake of what religion they happen to believe in. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
24-year-old John Woor and his battalion witnessed communities being torn apart | 0:23:09 | 0:23:15 | |
and conflicts about property and religion were rife. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:20 | |
Anything up to two million people were killed. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
With a nation in upheaval, it was up to the British soldiers like John to try and keep the peace. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:31 | |
The role that 2nd Suffolk were playing of internal security, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:35 | |
people like John, it was a very important job | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
because there were signs of anarchy, the whole country was falling apart, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
and the idea of walking away and leaving them was something the British didn't want to do. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
But with dwindling post-war resources and millions of people to police, | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
John and his fellow infantrymen were fighting a losing battle. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
In the end, there is no option. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
There are simply not enough British soldiers to keep the warring factions apart. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:07 | |
In the end, the 2nd Suffolk are withdrawn with all the other British army units and sent home, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:12 | |
but at the time, they did their best in very difficult circumstances. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
John's time in India was extreme and shocking. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
And the experiences would have stayed with him until the end of his life. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:28 | |
In London, case manager Dave Slee was still trying to find heirs to his small fortune of £13,000. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:38 | |
Dave was poised to work up the father's side of the family tree. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
Little did he know, he would discover a family forced apart by poverty and strife. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
John Woor's family is still a mystery | 0:24:52 | 0:24:55 | |
and the Heir Hunters need to further construct the family tree | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
to lead them to any heirs. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
So how do you go about drawing up your own family tree | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
and what's the best place to start with genealogical research? | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
'In order to find out I'm meeting Heir Hunter Neil, as I can't see the wood for the family trees.' | 0:25:05 | 0:25:11 | |
So what's the first step in building your family tree? | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
The first tip I always give is to get the biggest piece of paper you can find | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
-and go and speak to the oldest person of the family you can find. -OK. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:22 | |
And start asking them about what they remember about their family. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
Obviously it's just the same as your family, | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
but the older the generation, the more they're going to know. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
They're going to know possibly about their grandparents | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
whereas you probably won't know about your great-grandparents. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
Sounds like a good starting point for any budding genealogists | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
interested in their ancestors. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:43 | |
But what about the pros who do this for a living? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
So how do Heir Hunters draw up a family tree? | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
We're very particular about how we draw our family trees because | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
our family trees are looked at by lots of different members | 0:25:54 | 0:25:57 | |
of our staff so it's important we follow | 0:25:57 | 0:25:59 | |
a couple of uniform rules. So we would start with a | 0:25:59 | 0:26:02 | |
single person in the middle of the page. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
We then go up and find their parents. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
We'd follow those rules all the way. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
It just means that anyone from anywhere in the office | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
can have a look at the family tree and it should be quite clear | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
and they should be able to tell instantly what the relationship is | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
back to the deceased. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:20 | |
'I asked Neil to help me construct a family tree.' | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
As this isn't a real heir hunt we're going for a more traditional | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
tree with me at the bottom and then working our way up. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
Neil needs to know everything I know about my family. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
-You put yourself down. -Yeah. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
-We then put your parents down. -OK. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
So there's Julie and David. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
Now do you have any brothers and sisters? | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
Yes, sister Victoria. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
-Do you know your grandparent's names on your father's side? -Yes. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
They're Betty and Norman. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
Do you know your grandmother's maiden name? | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
I think it was Morton. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
"Think" in family history unfortunately is not very good. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:08 | |
-It's where we have to start getting the proofs, the documentation. -OK. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
One of those documentations which we use all the time, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
that people have to use to trace their family tree, | 0:27:15 | 0:27:19 | |
is the certificates. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
We're quite lucky. We have your grandparents' marriage certificates | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
here in front of us. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:26 | |
And it says your grandfather, Norman Leslie Faulkner, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
-and your grandmother, Betty Morton. -Betty Morton. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
So you were right with the surname. Her surname is Morton, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
but obviously now on our family tree | 0:27:37 | 0:27:38 | |
we're going to start filling in some of the details | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
from this certificate. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:42 | |
OK. And this is them on their wedding day. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
So this photo was taken when this bit of the certificate was filled out. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:53 | |
So for the family tree we've got Norman Leslie Faulkner, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
-so we'd put down Norman Leslie Faulkner. -Right. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
-It's important to start recording all the details on the tree now. -OK. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
Certificates of birth, death and marriage are crucial | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
to filling in the gaps on anyone's family tree. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
The details they contain are indispensable to the Heir Hunters. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:16 | |
If you look in the first column, that gives us the date, | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
and that date is when they got married. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
-That was... -August 24... -1940. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
Each column in the marriage certificate has a specific piece of information in it. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:35 | |
In one it lists my grandparents' ages when they were married. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
Very helpful to Neil. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
From their ages and the date of the marriage | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
we can work out when we think they're going to be born | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
or when-abouts. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:47 | |
The age for your grandfather, he's 28 years old, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
and that would make him being born...? | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
Oh, my maths is awful! | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
-1912? -Yes. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
Forgetting my maths for a moment, Neil ploughs ahead. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
The other columns tell me that my grandparents were considered | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
a spinster and a bachelor. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
Basically it means that this was their first marriage. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:13 | |
It also lists their occupations and place of residence. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
We then get on to something which is very important, | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
which is column number seven. Column number seven | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
is the father's name and surname. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
This is your great-grandfather's name. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
-That is Thomas Faulkner. -Right. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
-So we've got our next bit to put on the family tree. -Yeah. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
As my family tree grows so does my knowledge of my distant kin. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
All marriages require two witnesses to sign the certificate. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
One of these witnesses advances our tree even further. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
One of the witnesses here, we've got the Faulkner name, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:56 | |
Amelia Anne Faulkner. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
We're automatically going to be looking, as we start researching, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
into the Faulkner family | 0:30:01 | 0:30:02 | |
-to see if we've got this Amelia Anne Faulkner. -Yeah. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
If we do we're going to know straightaway that she's alive in 1940. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
It's amazing. This is fascinating to me. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:12 | |
It's one of the big joys and thrills of actually | 0:30:12 | 0:30:16 | |
tracing your own family tree. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
We're already up to your great-grandfather Thomas. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:22 | |
What we're going to try to do now | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
is to expand out. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:26 | |
In order to do this Neil has dug out details of my | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
grandfather Norman's birth. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
We already know his father, my great-grandfather, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
was Thomas Faulkner | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
but this birth also gives my great-grandmother's maiden name. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
His mother's maiden name is Bryant. BRYANT. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
So we can add that now to our family tree. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
That Amelia Anne sort of rings a bell. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
She's a witness here in this 1940 marriage. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
There she is - Amelia Anne. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
Your great-grandmother was alive in 1940, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
even though your great-grandfather had passed away, | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
at the marriage of your grandparents. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:07 | |
So witnesses are very important. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
In just a matter of minutes the paternal line of my family has been | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
laid out in front of me. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
It's a truly fascinating process | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
that I recommend to anyone. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
Here are some more unsolved cases where heirs still need to be found. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:31 | |
The List Of Unclaimed Estates is money that is owed to | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
members of the public. New names are added all the time. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
The Bona Vacantia unclaimed list | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
is a list of cases that we haven't found kin for. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
The list goes back to 1997 because that's when | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
our case management system came online. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
The idea is to produce a list of all those solvent cases, | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
so there should be at least a few thousand here, possibly many thousands. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
Do these names mean anything to you? Are they relatives of yours? | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
Michael Pearse O'Hanlon died in April 2008 in Southampton. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
The surname O'Hanlon is of Irish origin | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
and is very rare in the UK | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
with just five people in a million with that name. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
Do you share Michael's unusual surname of O'Hanlon? | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
Could you be related to him? | 0:32:17 | 0:32:19 | |
Thomas Edward Ladbrooke died on 1 September 2010 | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
in Cricklewood in London. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
Thomas' ancestors could have been from the village of Ladbroke | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
in Warwickshire, or from Norfolk where the name is also found. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
Do you remember Thomas? | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
Could you be a family member | 0:32:37 | 0:32:38 | |
and therefore entitled to a share of his estate? | 0:32:38 | 0:32:41 | |
Martha Zavril died on 29 March 2000 in Harrogate. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
I've got Martha's death certificate here. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
It contains a lot more information about her. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:51 | |
It says she was born on 6 May 1909 in Austria. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
Did you know Martha? Did she ever talk to you | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
about any family over here or in Austria? | 0:32:58 | 0:33:00 | |
The death certificate also reveals that Martha's maiden name | 0:33:00 | 0:33:03 | |
was Forstner. Did you have a Forstner back in your family? | 0:33:03 | 0:33:08 | |
Could you help solve this case? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
A reminder of those names again. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
Michael O'Hanlon, | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
Thomas Ladbrooke, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
and Martha Zavril. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
If today's names are relatives of yours then you could | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
have a windfall coming your way. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
Let's return to the case of art restorer John Woor. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
Can the Heir Hunters find living relatives entitled to inherit his money? | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
Dave Slee was hoping to crack John's case. He died in Basildon in Essex | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
at the age of 87. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
Without any obvious heirs, all of his small fortune of £13,000 would go to the Treasury, | 0:33:44 | 0:33:50 | |
but not if Dave could help it. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
He was keen to take advantage of John Woor's extremely rare surname. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:57 | |
We decided to concentrate firstly our research on the paternal family | 0:33:57 | 0:34:02 | |
because the surname is relatively uncommon. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
Dave was desperately hoping that John's father James Woor would have siblings | 0:34:06 | 0:34:12 | |
who would be John's uncles and aunts. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:15 | |
The deceased father was named James Woor. He in turn was the son of James Woor. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
And he was one of five children. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
But would any of James Woor's brothers or sisters have produced children that could be heirs? | 0:34:23 | 0:34:29 | |
Two of them, one called Luke Woor and one called Alice Georgiana Woor, had descendants. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:36 | |
Dave decided to focus on Luke Woor first. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
Once again I've been blessed with not only a good surname in Woor, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
but Luke is a fairly unusual Christian name. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
And so we located Luke Woor's marriage. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
Dave traced Luke's descendants and discovered his first heir - | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
Luke's grandson, John Reeve. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
He is a first cousin once removed | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
to John Woor and an heir to his estate. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
A keen family historian, he was amazed and excited when he was contacted by the Heir Hunters. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:12 | |
John James Woor is a name that didn't mean anything to me at all, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:18 | |
although I'd researched a little bit about the Woor family. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
John had been very close to his grandfather, Luke Woor. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
I knew quite a lot about him, but he didn't mention anything about any brothers or sisters, | 0:35:25 | 0:35:31 | |
which I've found out since that he had. So the whole thing is a mystery. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
John Reeve's grandfather Luke, who was John Woor's uncle, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
had been hiding a dreadful secret from his childhood, | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
something which might explain why the family lost touch. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
My grandfather, Luke Woor, spent a considerable number of years when he was younger in an orphanage. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:56 | |
In the late Victorian era, families that had fallen on hard times were often put in the poorhouse, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:05 | |
but in the case of Luke Woor, he and his siblings were put in a children's home | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
while their father went in search of work. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
When they were old enough, they left the orphanage to find work. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:18 | |
John wonders if that's what happened to John Woor's father. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
I'm just wondering if his father did contact him at any point | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
and said, "You're old enough. We've got a job for you in London. Come down and help me out." | 0:36:27 | 0:36:33 | |
And at that point, of course, my grandfather Luke would have still been in the orphanage, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:40 | |
so he would have lost contact with James. And, likewise, when my grandfather left the orphanage, | 0:36:40 | 0:36:46 | |
he probably didn't tell anybody where he went. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
With such humble origins, John was genuinely stunned to learn of his cousin once removed, John Woor, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:56 | |
and his history. | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
I had assumed he would either be a labourer or working on the land | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
because all the family I'd been able to trace had some connection with the countryside. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
John Woor's travels with the Army and part in the radical restructuring of India | 0:37:10 | 0:37:15 | |
were just one aspect of his life. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
Some time between 1947 and the 1950s John retrained as a fine art restorer. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:26 | |
Nick Sangari worked with John in the 1950s | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
at the prestigious Hahn and Sons. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
We worked for some of the top London galleries. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:39 | |
One memory I have of working at Christie's the auctioneers. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:45 | |
They had a painting there by Burne-Jones. It was approximately 24 feet by 12. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:52 | |
And to reach the top we had, obviously, to get on a step ladder to work on it. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:58 | |
And to novice Nick senior restorer John Woor was a master at his art. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:04 | |
John was a talented restorer. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:07 | |
He had a good eye for detail. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
In the 1980s, John told his friend Derek Sorrell all about the calibre of work he took on. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:19 | |
John restored a Rembrandt, | 0:38:19 | 0:38:23 | |
which was a panel. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
And there was only the head left on the panel. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
So the head had to be re-set into another panel. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
I know he did different frescos around the country at times. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
Paintings like this are good examples of John's work. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
His small estate and collection of paintings found in his house came to £13,000. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:50 | |
Heir Hunter Dave Slee spent weeks researching both sides of the family | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
and was amazed at the number of heirs he eventually tracked down. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:03 | |
We've located in excess of 40 beneficiaries, all round the world, Australia and America. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:09 | |
Heir John Reeve is on his way to Hertfordshire to meet Derek. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
It's an exciting moment for him. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
He's about to find out more about his illustrious cousin once removed, John Woor. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:29 | |
-Hi there. I'm Derek. -I'm John. -Welcome. Come in, come in. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:34 | |
It's the first time he'll see his cousin's work. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
This is a little picture here that he restored for me 25 years ago | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
by quite a famous artist called George Charlton. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
The little picture behind you there is actually by John himself. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
That's one he painted himself and the one over there, which is in the manner of Seurat, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:59 | |
is one he did for me years ago, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
which is really an amazing little piece of art. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
John is thrilled to know there is such a talented artist in the Woor clan. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:11 | |
-That's phenomenal. -Is it? -Because we have nobody with any talent, as far as I know, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:16 | |
on that side of the family. All the photos I've got of the family show labourers | 0:40:16 | 0:40:22 | |
and people working on the farm. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
Derek has quite a few of John's paintings and they're a good example of his versatility. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
This is one John did for me years ago when I was into Russell Flints. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:36 | |
This is all pencil. John had an amazing amount of talent. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:41 | |
There's very little he couldn't paint if he wanted to paint. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
It's really good to actually see some of the things he produced | 0:40:45 | 0:40:50 | |
-and how wonderful they are. -John, you're welcome to take a few home | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
-then you've got a few in the family. -Well, that's... | 0:40:54 | 0:40:59 | |
That's very kind because that would be the only tactile thing we've got as any remembrance. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:06 | |
-Yeah. -This one in particular, this is a brilliant piece of work. -Yeah. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:12 | |
-You're more than welcome. -Thank you very much indeed. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
For John Reeve, meeting Derek and finding out about John Woor has been a real eye-opener. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:27 | |
It's nice to know what a great man he was. To actually see the variety of paintings that he's produced | 0:41:27 | 0:41:34 | |
and he was absolutely prolific and spent most of his life doing landscapes and charcoal. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:40 | |
Nothing like I imagined I was going to find out. He'd obviously contributed a lot to a lot of people | 0:41:40 | 0:41:47 | |
and he's done a lot in the life that he's had. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
And I can now go home and tell the family and share it with everybody. Brilliant day. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
John had a fascinating career as fine art restorer | 0:42:06 | 0:42:10 | |
but some in the trade crossed the line from restoration | 0:42:10 | 0:42:13 | |
to forgery. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
I'm here to meet gallery owner Johnathan Brandler | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
who ran another gallery back in the 1960s | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
and can tell me about John's work, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
but also a contemporary of John's who took on the art world. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
John Woor worked at the Hahn Gallery in the 1950s and '60s, | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
what would he have been doing? | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
The Hahn Gallery were very high-end market. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
He would have been cleaning and mending any pictures that they had bought | 0:42:37 | 0:42:41 | |
either at country house sales or in the big London auction houses | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
to make them presentable to the public. People didn't want to buy | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
pictures with all the dirt of ages on, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
the smoke. | 0:42:51 | 0:42:52 | |
Don't forget, all the big houses, everybody had coal fires, | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
so you have all the coal smoke over the paintings making them | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
dark and dingy and brown. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
He would have taken all that dirt off, mended any holes in the | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
canvases and he would have then made the pictures look attractive. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
People at that time wanted pictures as if they'd come off | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
the artist's easel. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:11 | |
They didn't want any age showing. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:13 | |
They didn't want the cracks, they didn't want the patina of age. | 0:43:13 | 0:43:16 | |
They wanted things to look brand-new. They wanted crisp, clean lines. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
Were there other people working with him in the gallery? | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
There was another guy there called Tom Keating. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
Tom didn't stay at the Hahn Galleries all that long | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
because Tom fell out, I think, with the Hahn Galleries | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
because Tom used to enhance pictures. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
Tom would think that if you had a nice traditional landscape | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
maybe you needed a pretty little girl in the corner, | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
or a child with a dog, | 0:43:37 | 0:43:40 | |
or a boy with a balloon, or something like that. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
Art restorer Tom Keating was a self-taught artist like John | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
and by all accounts he was a charismatic and colourful man. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:51 | |
His tendency to enhance rather than restore paintings | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
eventually led to his leaving the gallery | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
but it set him on a completely new path instead. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
Trouble is that Tom decided he wasn't getting the recognition | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
he deserved and the work that he did was never noticed | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
and because it wasn't noticed and he wasn't getting any recognition | 0:44:08 | 0:44:12 | |
he decided there might be more fun in life if he went out | 0:44:12 | 0:44:14 | |
and started doing the whole painting and not bothering | 0:44:14 | 0:44:17 | |
with an original painting to start with. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:19 | |
He went out, he collected old materials, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
which were easy to find at that time just after the war. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:25 | |
He would do an awful lot of research in the local libraries | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
and he would find paintings that were known to exist, | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
but were missing. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
His heroes were Turner and Constable | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
and Samuel Palmer. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:37 | |
So he did a lot of work in those three as well as others. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:39 | |
And he realised that nobody could tell the difference. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
He would go to a saleroom, buy 50 old frames | 0:44:42 | 0:44:45 | |
and some of them would have gallery labels on the back. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
So he would do a painting in the style of whatever the label said... | 0:44:48 | 0:44:52 | |
..put it in a frame, put it in a small auction house. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
And he wasn't in it for the money. A lot of the forgers over the years | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
aren't in it for the money. They're in it for the recognition | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
that they are as good as their hero. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:05 | |
Tom as a forger wanted to fool people | 0:45:05 | 0:45:09 | |
who deserved to be fooled. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:11 | |
Who were his targets? | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
His targets were the stuffed shirts of the art world. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
His targets were the people that thought they knew everything | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
and because they knew everything they could never get caught. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:23 | |
So he would do a painting, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
he would put it in an old frame, | 0:45:26 | 0:45:27 | |
then he would take it into one of the Bond Street galleries | 0:45:27 | 0:45:31 | |
and say something like, | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
"I've found this in the attic. I've talked to a mate down the pub. | 0:45:33 | 0:45:36 | |
"He said it was valuable, so I've brought it up to London. | 0:45:36 | 0:45:39 | |
"Would you like it?" | 0:45:39 | 0:45:41 | |
The gallery would buy this picture for £200 | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
and say, "Won't you take less?" "No." | 0:45:43 | 0:45:46 | |
"Oh, all right, we'll buy it off you." | 0:45:46 | 0:45:48 | |
And they'd sell it within a week for 20,000... | 0:45:48 | 0:45:51 | |
My gosh. | 0:45:51 | 0:45:52 | |
..because they weren't looking at it with an honest eye. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
They were looking at it with a greedy eye. | 0:45:54 | 0:45:56 | |
And because they were the experts, | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
Tom got his pleasure not from the amount of money | 0:45:58 | 0:46:00 | |
he was putting in his back pocket, | 0:46:00 | 0:46:02 | |
Tom got his pleasure by fooling the so-called expert. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:04 | |
Tom started painting more and more forgeries. | 0:46:04 | 0:46:08 | |
The prolific nature of his work was what was to cause his downfall. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:12 | |
How was he eventually exposed? | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
He did too many in the same style. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
A journalist for the Times, Geraldine Norman, | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
she wrote a book and she exposed him | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
because a gallery in London had got an exhibition of | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
Samuel Palmers, and there were just too many. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:29 | |
They were all the same, almost all the same. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
And there were too many of them. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:35 | |
Samuel Palmer, obviously he painted his whole life, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:37 | |
but there aren't... It's not a huge number of works. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:41 | |
And to get 20, 30, 40 paintings by Samuel Palmer | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
in one room at one time is an impossibility. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:46 | |
But this gallery had them. | 0:46:46 | 0:46:49 | |
And it wasn't until somebody went in there and looked with an honest eye, | 0:46:49 | 0:46:52 | |
Geraldine Norman, | 0:46:52 | 0:46:54 | |
and then it was blindingly obvious. | 0:46:54 | 0:46:57 | |
-Right. -And he got caught. | 0:46:57 | 0:46:59 | |
Now most crooks, because he was a crook, | 0:46:59 | 0:47:02 | |
would have done a runner. He had a house in Tenerife, | 0:47:02 | 0:47:05 | |
so he could have gone to Tenerife and never been found. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
But, he didn't literally, but he virtually stood up | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
in the middle of Bond Street | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
and said, "You don't know what you're talking about. "You're supposed to be the expert. | 0:47:12 | 0:47:16 | |
"How can I, a self-taught artist, fool you that easily?" | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
Once exposed, Tom reached celebrity status. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
He was widely written about and had television shows made about him | 0:47:22 | 0:47:26 | |
and his art. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:27 | |
The public viewed him as a Robin Hood figure of the art world, | 0:47:27 | 0:47:31 | |
because he'd fooled the dealers. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:34 | |
Tom's philosophy was, "It doesn't matter about the name attached | 0:47:34 | 0:47:37 | |
"to a painting, if it's good and makes you smile then it's art. | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
"End of discussion." | 0:47:41 | 0:47:43 | |
I think it's lovely. Tom is now better known | 0:47:43 | 0:47:45 | |
than a lot of the artists that he forged. | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
He wasn't trying to be dishonest to people who genuinely liked art, | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
he was only trying to be dishonest to people that were greedy about it. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:54 | |
So Tom Keatings now fetch thousands of pounds. | 0:47:54 | 0:47:58 | |
Tom Keating in his own right has become world famous. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
It's a wonderful complete circle. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:04 | |
Finally, let's return to the case of Brett Miller. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:16 | |
Can the Heir Hunters make contact with his family | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
and conform they've identified the rightful heirs to Brett's estate? | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
Brett died tragically in 2003 when he committed suicide. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:28 | |
He was only 39 when he died. Very, very young. | 0:48:30 | 0:48:34 | |
The team have found out that Brett married Trudi in 1986 | 0:48:36 | 0:48:40 | |
and had a son called James. | 0:48:40 | 0:48:43 | |
After divorcing Trudi, he then went on to live with Natalie and had two children, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:51 | |
a boy and a girl, who are now young teenagers. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:55 | |
-There's Brett at Dad's 40th. -He looks like Barry Manilow! | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
Alison Miller was married to one of Brett's brothers. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:03 | |
She remembers Brett as a very young dad that was devastated when he split with his first wife, Trudi. | 0:49:03 | 0:49:09 | |
He was very upset about the split-up. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
Very upset not to see his son as much as he'd like to. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:19 | |
He loved his children. You know, he loved James. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:25 | |
He was very proud of him. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
He idolised him, really. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
-There he is at my wedding. -Aww, he looks very small there, doesn't he? -Yeah. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:37 | |
He grew up so quickly. | 0:49:37 | 0:49:39 | |
Alison had known Brett from when he was a teenager and the news of his suicide left her reeling. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:47 | |
It was quite a shock. I had a phone call | 0:49:47 | 0:49:51 | |
and I was told that he'd been found dead in his flat, | 0:49:51 | 0:49:55 | |
which was very sad. Very sad. | 0:49:55 | 0:49:58 | |
I just think it's really sad that someone as young as him, | 0:49:59 | 0:50:04 | |
he wasn't REALLY young, but someone with so much potential, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:08 | |
you know, life ended like that. | 0:50:08 | 0:50:11 | |
-He was so cute. -He looks beautiful. -A sweetheart. | 0:50:15 | 0:50:20 | |
Brett died eight years ago in 2003 | 0:50:25 | 0:50:28 | |
and his name has only just appeared on the Treasury list of unclaimed estates. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:34 | |
At the moment, the Heir Hunters have no idea why it's there or how much the estate is worth. | 0:50:34 | 0:50:40 | |
The minimum amount to qualify for the list is £5,000. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:45 | |
Brett's ex-girlfriend Natalie might know if he had money | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
and her children will also be entitled to a share of his estate, | 0:50:49 | 0:50:53 | |
but will the Heir Hunters be able to find her? | 0:50:53 | 0:50:57 | |
-I'm too old to be running! -In Surrey, Heir Hunter Bob Barrett thought he had found her. | 0:50:57 | 0:51:02 | |
-Hello. Are you Natalie? -But then... -You're not Natalie Townsend. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:07 | |
But there is good news. It may have been a false start, | 0:51:08 | 0:51:13 | |
but now Bob's found the right address. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
-Hello. Natalie Townsend? -Yes. -Hi, my name's Bob Barrett... | 0:51:19 | 0:51:24 | |
She is not entitled to inherit, but her and Brett's two children are. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:29 | |
-You had a relationship with a Mr Miller? -Yes. -Who died back in 2003. -Yes. | 0:51:29 | 0:51:35 | |
-Did you have children with him? -Yes. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:37 | |
-Well, we think they will be heirs to an estate that he's left. -Right. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:42 | |
I don't quite understand how he died back in 2003 | 0:51:42 | 0:51:48 | |
and the estate has only just come to notice. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
And I can't tell you how much it is because I don't know. Would you know how he has left an estate? | 0:51:51 | 0:51:59 | |
-No. -No. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:01 | |
Unfortunately, Natalie can't give them any reason why Brett's estate has been advertised now. | 0:52:01 | 0:52:07 | |
-So you've got no idea where this money might have come from? -No idea. | 0:52:07 | 0:52:12 | |
Natalie agrees to sign with the company on behalf of her two children. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:17 | |
As they are minors, she will manage the inheritance until they are old enough. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:23 | |
Natalie was with Brett for 11 years, on and off. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:27 | |
He was a regular father. He always came to see the children after we'd split up. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:32 | |
But there was something about Brett that made family life difficult | 0:52:33 | 0:52:37 | |
and Natalie and the kids experienced it first-hand. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:42 | |
Most of the time it was good, but some of the time it was horrendous. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:46 | |
He was an alcoholic. | 0:52:46 | 0:52:49 | |
His drinking, and his eventual suicide, had shattering consequences. | 0:52:49 | 0:52:55 | |
My boy is still in counselling now | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
and it all stems from Brett's death. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
It was a shock. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:03 | |
The children, they miss their father. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:07 | |
-Bye. -Bye-bye. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
It's a heartbreaking story of addiction and the catastrophic effects on a family. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:20 | |
Bob phones in to the office. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
-Hello? -Hi, Dave. Bob Barrett. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
-Hi, Bob. -Just to let you know I've seen Natalie, Natalie Townsend. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
She has signed an agreement on her own behalf and on behalf of her two children. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:41 | |
Natalie couldn't tell them how much Brett's estate might be worth, | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
but as far as the hunt for his eldest son James is concerned, David Pacifico has some good news. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:53 | |
-It looks like the full story. -They've found Brett's ex-wife, Trudi, the mother of James | 0:53:53 | 0:53:59 | |
and the final piece in the puzzle. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:01 | |
James will be due one third of the estate. I understand he's at university somewhere. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:08 | |
So I'll leave some paperwork with his mother with a view to her forwarding it on to him. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:16 | |
Trudi was divorced from Brett 20 years ago and remarried. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:20 | |
-Hello, Bob Barrett. I think you're expecting me. -Yes. -Excellent. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:27 | |
The Heir Hunters' biggest worry is that James may have been adopted by her new husband. | 0:54:27 | 0:54:34 | |
If he has been adopted, he will no longer be entitled. | 0:54:34 | 0:54:38 | |
-We weren't sure whether James had been adopted. -There was talk of it, but we didn't get round to it. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:44 | |
-It's quite a long process. -Quite. -So James just decided to change his name by deed poll. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:49 | |
-Oh, he's done it by deed poll? -Yeah. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
Trudi and James hadn't seen Brett for some time before his death. | 0:54:52 | 0:54:57 | |
When we separated originally and then divorced, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:01 | |
he was only allowed supervised access. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:06 | |
He did that a couple of times and then it drifted apart. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:10 | |
I don't think he felt that comfortable with people there. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:14 | |
So, yeah, we kind of lost contact. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:17 | |
-Thanks very much. Bye-bye. -Bye. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:22 | |
It's been an unusual case for the Heir Hunters. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:29 | |
It's been quite an interesting day. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
We've identified three heirs and I've not seen any of them, | 0:55:31 | 0:55:37 | |
although I've spoken to the parent... to the parents of all three. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:44 | |
A bit unusual, that. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:47 | |
In the office, case manager David Pacifico is pleased, but still a little puzzled by the story. | 0:55:52 | 0:56:00 | |
This is a strange case. The fact that he died so many years ago | 0:56:00 | 0:56:04 | |
and they all knew that he died and dealt with matters then, | 0:56:04 | 0:56:09 | |
but, of course, what this matter... Why this matter has come to light further | 0:56:09 | 0:56:17 | |
is obviously some further assets, which obviously weren't known at the time when he died. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:23 | |
The team estimates the final value of Brett's estate to be around £5,000. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:31 | |
Although they don't know where the money has come from, it could be interest on savings | 0:56:31 | 0:56:37 | |
or a forgotten insurance policy maturing. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:41 | |
James, Brett's eldest son, is now 21 and studying at university. | 0:56:45 | 0:56:50 | |
His father's legacy will go towards his studies to be a pharmacist. | 0:56:50 | 0:56:56 | |
When I found out this money was here, I was so surprised. I had a phone call from my mum | 0:56:56 | 0:57:02 | |
and she said, "You'll never believe what's just happened. You've actually got some money coming." | 0:57:02 | 0:57:09 | |
I said, "Where's it coming from?" And she said, "It's from your dad." | 0:57:09 | 0:57:14 | |
Unlike Natalie's children, he didn't have a lot to do with his father. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:20 | |
When I last saw him I was about three years old and I was at my grandmother's house. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:26 | |
He came round with a colouring book full of dinosaurs | 0:57:26 | 0:57:31 | |
and I sat and did that and he read the paper. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
That's my last memory of seeing him. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
Having lost touch at such a young age, James is philosophical about his father's alcoholism | 0:57:39 | 0:57:45 | |
and his tragic death. | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
The story of my dad, I don't really feel as though it's affected how I feel about parenting. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:54 | |
I think that maybe, if anything, it's made me want to be a better parent towards my children. | 0:57:54 | 0:58:00 | |
My father was an alcoholic. He didn't have his priorities right, I think was the main problem. | 0:58:03 | 0:58:10 | |
Which I think comes with alcoholism. You end up losing sight of what's really important in life. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:15 | |
But he wasn't a stupid man. | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
He just lost his way a bit and couldn't find his way back to the path. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:26 | |
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